WEBVTT - Justice Delayed is Justice Denied 0:00:11.800 --> 0:00:14.560 Good morning, peep Sen. Welcome to woka F Daily with 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.919 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:22.880 as we make the trek to the end of the year, 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:26.320 I am doing wrap up shows with some of woka 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:31.560 f's greatest guest and contributors that have been with us 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.120 all year long. And today we talk with our good 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:39.360 good friend Glenn Kirshner to go through all of the 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.680 legal news that we've been hit with, and I ask 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:46.880 him the question, what is your prediction for twenty twenty three? 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:50.440 Are we going to see Donald Trump? Indidd Is it 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:53.800 going to be Fannie Willis in Georgia. Is it going 0:00:53.880 --> 0:00:56.920 to be Jack Smith, the new special counsel for the 0:00:56.960 --> 0:00:59.840 Department of Justice. Is it going to be Alvin Bragg 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:03.640 in New York? What is going to happen? Because over 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:09.160 the course folks, of the year, I mean, the wildest 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:15.040 shit from Marlago being raided because Donald Trump stole documents 0:01:15.080 --> 0:01:18.320 and then he goes on his second rate you know, 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.119 two bit truth social to say, oh yeah, I took 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.319 the documents, which is pretty much Jack Nicholson and a 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:26.880 few good men saying I ordered the cold read and 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:31.120 yet no one is hauling this man to prison. We 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:36.280 know that Donald Trump said to Brad Rathensberger in Georgia, 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.760 find me eleven seven hundred and some odd votes right 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:46.200 waiting on that indictment. We know that the Trump organization 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.000 is completely corrupt. Why because at the end of this 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:53.280 year they faced seventeen charges and were found guilty on 0:01:53.360 --> 0:01:58.000 all seventeen charges. So what does twenty twenty three look 0:01:58.040 --> 0:02:02.120 like for Donald Trump and company? For the thirty four 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:06.880 Republicans that text Mark Meadows and said we're calling for 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.520 martial law, except they don't know how to fucking spell it. 0:02:11.000 --> 0:02:15.440 Somebody has got to go down, and it cannot just 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:21.000 be the foot soldiers of the insurrection. January will mark 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:27.840 two years since there was an attempt to overthrow our 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:31.320 government and the only people that are seeing any type 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:34.120 of prison time are those that broke into the building. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:38.600 What about those that directed them there in the first place? 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:43.799 So coming up next my wrap up legal conversation with 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:52.800 our friend host of Justice Matters MSNBC contributor Glenn Kirshner. Folks, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.840 twenty twenty two has been a year, and it has 0:02:56.919 --> 0:03:00.120 been a year in crime, and there is no one 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:03.440 better to give us our year end review in all 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:07.160 of the legal crime news that we have covered. Then 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:13.560 our friend the host of Justice Matters MSNBC contributor, Glenn Kirshner. Glenn, 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.840 We've spent so much time together, and I got to 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:20.840 tell you that on my twenty twenty two bingo card 0:03:20.880 --> 0:03:22.640 there was a lot of things that I did not 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:27.480 see coming. So I want to start with literally all 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.600 of the crimes, all of the cases that have come 0:03:31.680 --> 0:03:36.280 up that involve Trump and the Trump family. Let's start 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:41.920 with Alan Weisselberg, right, the COO of the Trump organization. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:45.160 I want to say at some beginning part of twenty 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:51.440 twenty two is picked up, is indicted for fraud. Talk 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:56.240 to us about why this kind of maybe was the 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:01.880 beginning of the unraveling of the Trump organization. Yeah, it matters, 0:04:02.000 --> 0:04:05.360 And there are two sides of the Weisselberg and the 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:09.920 Trump organization coin that we can talk about. I will say, 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:12.480 it seems like we packed the decade's worth of crime 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.960 into just one year when it comes to Trump and company. 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:21.359 So you know, the Weisselberg and Trump org prosecution was 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.320 interesting for what it was and what it wasn't. I mean, 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:27.960 what it was is a prosecution that probably spells the 0:04:28.080 --> 0:04:32.120 end of the Trump organization because the organization was convicted 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:37.479 across the board of major financial felony crimes such that 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:40.000 no reputable lender is going to want to do business 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.360 with Trump Org. I would say even the less than 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:46.360 reputable lenders, some of the overseas banks and institutions that 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:49.200 wanted to do business with Trump because they felt like 0:04:49.240 --> 0:04:52.280 they were buying access and influence. I even think they're 0:04:52.320 --> 0:04:55.200 going to run away from the Trump organization. The other 0:04:55.200 --> 0:04:57.640 thing that I think is good about that prosecution is 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.640 it feels like it might have been something of a 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:04.320 drive I run for Alvin Bragg, the District attorney from Manhattan, 0:05:04.680 --> 0:05:08.279 to consider charging Donald Trump. Now I'll believe it when 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:12.160 I see it, mind you, But there's been reporting that 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.320 in the wake of those convictions, Alvin Bragg has hired 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.600 yet another prosecutor from the Department of Justice, and before 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.640 that he worked with Tiss James going after the Trump Org. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.960 Colangelo I think is his last name, and he is 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:32.960 now involved in criminally investigating Trump. Because they successfully moved 0:05:33.320 --> 0:05:36.560 against the Trump Org. It feels like there is an 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:40.640 increased likelihood that Bragg may now be more comfortable going 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:45.160 after Donald Trump personally. So that's the upside. The downside 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.440 is that this old prosecutor believes Donald Trump should have 0:05:48.560 --> 0:05:52.720 been part of that prosecution that resulted in the conviction 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:59.200 of his organization, because the prosecutor argued in closing to 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:02.760 that jury in the Trump Board case and I quote, 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:11.400 donald Trump personally approved financial fraud personally, Well, why wasn't 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:14.839 he a defendant? That to me feels like a failing 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:17.720 of Alvin Bragg. So, like I say that, that's a 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.960 sort of a mixed message that comes out of that prosecution. Okay, 0:06:22.080 --> 0:06:27.120 and so then we move, Let's go down south for 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:34.800 Fannie Willis. Now, Fannie Willis has been investigating the fake electors, right, 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:40.679 and you know, we have seen several court cases surrounding 0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:46.760 her investigation because she's compelling like Lindsey Graham to testify 0:06:47.000 --> 0:06:51.640 before a grand jury, special grand jury that she pulled together. 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:56.839 Tell us a bit about where you think the kind 0:06:56.880 --> 0:07:00.040 of twist and turns that that investigation has taken and 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:03.840 where you think we could possibly end up. I mean, 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:05.880 it is the end of the year. Again, we've seen 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.200 no indictments of Donald Trump. We've seen a lot of 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:14.400 investigations happening, hers seeming at the beginning of the year 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:17.880 to be the most promising in term of the fake elector. 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:21.840 So tell us how you saw that case move over 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.000 the course of twenty twenty two. You know, Fannie Willis, 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:29.480 District Attorney for Fulton County, Georgia, has been quietly sawing 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.840 the justice would in front of her, and really the 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:35.200 only time we hear anything about what's going on is 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.520 when there are court pleadings, and then we can see 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.680 a little bit about the battle she has been waging 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.040 to get guys like Lindsey Graham before the grand jury, 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.200 who was scared the death to testify about Donald Trump's 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:50.760 election crimes and frankly, his own misconduct. Because let's never 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:55.360 forget that a fellow Republican of Lindsay Graham's, the former 0:07:55.640 --> 0:08:00.240 Georgia's Secretary of State, Brad Raffinsburger, said, Lindsay Graham called me, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:04.160 and what he was saying to me I interpreted as 0:08:04.480 --> 0:08:08.480 him urging me to toss out lawfully cast ballots. That's 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.800 a quote, and it's a crime under Georgia's state law. Well, 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.960 guess what Fannie Willis succeeded in getting Lindsay Graham into 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.480 the grand jury, succeeded in getting Rudy Giuliani into the 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.800 grand jury, succeeded in getting Mike Flynn into the grand jury. Now, yeah, 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:28.800 many of these nefarious, unpatriotic knuckleheads probably pleaded the fifth 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.400 and so be it. All that means is their truthful 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:35.920 testimony would show that they committed crimes under Georgia state law. 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.320 So she's been sawing the wood. I don't know where 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.920 she is in her investigation, but it's been up and running, 0:08:41.920 --> 0:08:44.600 and it has been productive because she's been winning every 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.040 flipping battle that she's fought against these people who were 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:50.440 scared to death to go before the grand jury. So 0:08:50.679 --> 0:08:54.400 what the timetable is for possible indictments there? As you say, 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:59.319 she is investigating the fake collectors crimes and she's investigating 0:08:59.360 --> 0:09:02.679 the very real election crimes of Donald Trump. I can 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:06.720 only hope that we see indictments maybe in the late winter, 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:11.640 early spring. That's nothing more than a guess heading further 0:09:11.760 --> 0:09:17.400 down south to mar Lago. So when the headlines happened 0:09:17.440 --> 0:09:24.800 and the news broke that mar Lago was swarmed by 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:29.720 agents in order to collect these stolen documents that Donald 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.760 Trump took from the White House and just you know, 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.760 put haphazardly in his office at mar Lago, where we 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.839 know that anyone and everyone can walk into at any 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.079 time and guess what, he doesn't know a lot of 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:43.720 the people apparently that are coming in to have dinner 0:09:43.760 --> 0:09:48.080 with him. So we see these documents. We now know 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:52.960 that the federal government is asking for one person, a 0:09:53.040 --> 0:10:00.920 lawyer from Donald Trump's team, to say completely, we've given 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:04.200 you all the documents. There's not one lawyer that will 0:10:04.200 --> 0:10:09.280 do that. So where do we see this moving? Because one, 0:10:09.840 --> 0:10:14.400 we don't even know if Donald Trump hasn't stashed nuclear 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:18.240 codes documents all around his properties. Right, it's only mari 0:10:18.400 --> 0:10:23.880 Lago that was quote unquote rated. So where does this 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:28.160 case go? Or are we just again allowing him Other 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.480 people would have gone to jail. Other people have gone 0:10:30.480 --> 0:10:35.800 to jail for taking less. Where does this go? You know, 0:10:35.840 --> 0:10:37.760 I don't know where it goes, but I know where 0:10:37.760 --> 0:10:41.280 it's been, and where it's been is a sort of 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:46.520 deeply unjust place, because, as you say, anybody who took 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:51.280 even one classified document unlawfully would have promptly been arrested 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:57.479 and indicted convicted and imprisoned. Donald Trump had classified documents 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:02.280 in his desk drawers, then he posted on his third 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:07.040 rate social media platform. I took the documents more openly 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:11.120 and transparently than other presidents. So it's not like we 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:14.920 prosecutors would have a hard time proving that he took 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:21.600 the documents. So why he hasn't been charged is there's 0:11:21.640 --> 0:11:24.680 no good answer to that other than a fear and 0:11:24.840 --> 0:11:29.320 timidity at prosecuting a former president of the United States, which, 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:32.200 make no mistake about it, takes us one step in 0:11:32.240 --> 0:11:37.520 the direction of becoming a Banana republic. Where is it heading? 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:41.559 You know? I hope Jack Smith is what he appears 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:47.320 to be, which is kind of a scorched earth crime fighter. 0:11:47.400 --> 0:11:50.240 And the reason I say that is because he has 0:11:50.360 --> 0:11:53.559 prosecuted he and his team when he was the head 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:57.000 of the Public Integrity Section at the Department of Justice. 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:02.720 Republican senators, Democrat who Democrats senators who were running for 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:13.240 the presidency, John Edwards, Republican governors, Bob Virginia republic McDonald 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:19.000 McDonald Virginia Republican governor, Arizona congressman who was a Republican. 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.480 He's taken all he's taken a CIA officer to trial 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:27.280 for mishandling classified documents. He goes after everybody, left, right 0:12:27.280 --> 0:12:30.240 and center, without fear or favor, and he doesn't win 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:32.959 all the cases, which I love. Give me a prosecutor 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.559 who is willing to take a difficult, politically charged case 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.199 to trial at the risk of losing it. That's who 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:41.960 I want on my team. Let's hope he gets us 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.120 to the right place. And I'm resisting Danielle going to 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:49.439 the dark place where you mentioned that. The prosecution team 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:52.760 said Judge Ferrell Howell, who's a fabulous judge, the chief 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:56.400 Judge of Federal District Court in Washington, DC. Judge Howell, 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:00.600 please please make them appoint somebody to certify that all 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:04.000 of the stolen documents have been returned. And Judge Howell 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:08.120 did the right thing. She said, no, go do your job, 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:12.360 because their job is to arrest the perpetrator, not to 0:13:12.400 --> 0:13:13.959 try to get the court to do some of their 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:16.440 dirty work. And let me just take thirty seconds on us. 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:21.640 When somebody steals stuff, whether it's a TV or a 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:27.959 car or documents from the government, we don't issue subpoenas 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.679 and say to the perpetrator, can you please give us 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.640 the car back. Can you please give us the money 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:37.240 that you robbed from the bank back? And oh, if 0:13:37.280 --> 0:13:39.480 you don't give us the money from the bank that 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.400 you robbed back pursuing too the subpoena, we're going to 0:13:42.520 --> 0:13:44.040 run to the court and we're going to ask the 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:47.200 judge to say, judge, can you appoint somebody to be 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:51.080 the records custodian over the stolen money and certify that 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:53.400 the bank robber gave us all the stolen money back. 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:58.080 That's not the way law enforcement works. That's why this 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:02.160 is not the way Donald Trump should be treated. We 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:06.000 should do search warrants, we should arrest the perpetrator, and 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:08.280 then the way we get the rest of the documents 0:14:08.920 --> 0:14:13.120 is we do supplemental search warrants as we investigate and 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.600 learn more about where Donald Trump is hiding this stuff. 0:14:17.240 --> 0:14:19.960 But they're not doing it that way. And I hope 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:24.680 Jack Smith changes course and fights crime the way it's 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:30.000 supposed to be fought, not this Pollyanna ass grabbing game 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.800 that they're playing with Donald Trump on his playing field. 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.320 Please please give it back. That's not the way law 0:14:37.400 --> 0:14:41.040 enforcement works. That's the part that's got me so hacked off. 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:47.400 As a former career prosecutor, you know, when we look 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.320 at all of this, and I just I love the 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:53.360 example that you provided of the car. Please give it back. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.680 Oh you stole this, Oh please return it. Right. We 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:01.840 would not treat any other criminal right this way. It 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.320 seems so easy, Glenn, to pick up people on the 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.400 street to throw the book at them for a series 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:10.720 of things. And we know, we know all of the 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:13.480 things that Donald Trump has done. Why because exactly what 0:15:13.520 --> 0:15:16.080 you said, he says it out loud, He says the 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.680 quiet parts out loud, and puts it on his third 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:23.640 rate social media platform. Let's head back up on the 0:15:23.680 --> 0:15:28.240 car analogy. Yes, because you know, when somebody steals a car, 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:33.600 it doesn't have national security implications, and yet we use 0:15:33.880 --> 0:15:37.120 search warrants to get the damn car back. Donald Trump 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:41.480 stole our nation's secrets. He also stole information about the 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:46.120 nuclear programs of foreign countries, but we're not using the 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.600 law enforcement tools at our disposal to get them back. 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:51.520 I mean, it reminds me of the Bob Dylan line. 0:15:51.720 --> 0:15:53.920 You know, steal a little and they throw you in jail. 0:15:54.120 --> 0:16:00.440 Steal a lot and they make you king. Mmm. God. 0:16:00.600 --> 0:16:06.920 Heading back up to DC. You know, next year is 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:12.080 going to be the two year anniversary of the insurrection, Glenn. 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:18.240 Two years have passed since our capital was invaded by 0:16:18.280 --> 0:16:22.760 a group of thugs chanting, hang Mike Pence, looking for 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:29.320 Nancy Pelosi, I mean, defecating in the halls of democracy. 0:16:29.520 --> 0:16:33.080 And what we have seen over the course of two 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:39.600 years is, you know, eight hundred or so arrests of 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.400 the low level foot soldiers that entered the building. Still 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:49.080 no arrests of the architects of the people that stood 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.880 on the dais at the quote unquote stopped the steel rally, 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:56.760 pointed to the Capitol building and said go take your 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:04.240 country back. Members of Congress wore bulletproofves that day. Now 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:11.399 we find out thirty four Republicans we're texting Mark Meadows, 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.639 the former chief of staff to Donald Trump, thirty four. 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.560 Over twenty four hundred text messages have now been released, 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.359 many of them calling for martial law that they don't 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:28.560 know how to spell. Tell me, Glenn, how the hell 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:36.960 are those thirty four members of Congress still have jobs? 0:17:37.640 --> 0:17:41.120 How have they not been picked up by the Department 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.480 of Justice? What is going on? In your opinion? As 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:48.520 we have covered this as we have discussed it for 0:17:48.600 --> 0:17:53.720 a year. A couple of things are going on. One. 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:56.960 I believe the OJ is trying to build the perfect beast, 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:01.200 the perfect prosecution. There is no such thing. But there 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:08.439 is this culture of timidity at DOJ to bring difficult, challenging, 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:19.960 politically charged, unconventional cases, particularly against politicians, and especially against wealthy, influential, connected, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:26.040 white mail politicians, and there's no excuse for that. I 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:29.399 railed against it in my decades inside the Department of 0:18:29.440 --> 0:18:33.640 Justice when I fought to bring unconventional cases, even cases 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:36.080 I knew I might lose, and I lost plenty of 0:18:36.119 --> 0:18:38.520 cases in my thirty years, but it was the right 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:41.280 thing to do to try to hold people accountable. I 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:44.600 always tried to teach the prosecutors I supervised it's more 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:48.200 important to try cases than to win cases, because you're 0:18:48.240 --> 0:18:52.000 giving victims a shot at justice and you're protecting the 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.520 community in the process. So I think it is part 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.000 of the culture of the Department of Justice. They don't 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:04.800 do difficult, unconventional, unprecedented cases particularly well, and they certainly 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:09.000 don't do them in a timely manner. I hope that 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:12.600 is what accounts for most of the delay. I hope 0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.480 it's not corruption. You know, I did a video I 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:18.199 think it was yesterday where I was so fed up 0:19:18.240 --> 0:19:22.000 with how the Department of Justice has treated Mark Meadows 0:19:22.040 --> 0:19:24.439 that I said, I think we need to take on 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:29.359 two questions. One, when the Department of Justice tells us 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.560 no one is above the law, can we credit that? Two? 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.120 Excuse me, when the Department of Justice tells us they 0:19:38.119 --> 0:19:41.160 will follow the law and follow the facts wherever they lead. 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.520 I need an answer to this question. And I was 0:19:44.520 --> 0:19:47.040 a prosecutor for thirty years, but I need an answer 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.600 to this question. What are the American people to do 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:55.480 when the facts show beyond all doubt that somebody committed 0:19:55.520 --> 0:19:59.240 a crime, and when the law, as applied to those facts, 0:19:59.640 --> 0:20:04.120 demand ends in indictment, but nobody has been criminally charged. 0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:08.240 What are the American people to do? There's no good 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:10.960 answer to that question. There are some bad answers that 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.520 I don't even want to spit out into the public 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:18.720 square because they're dangerous and upsetting, and I hope we 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.240 don't get there. But when you look at a Mark 0:20:21.240 --> 0:20:23.920 Meadows as an example of somebody being above the law, 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:30.320 you have not only the thirty four treasonist text, messages 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:33.600 coming to Mark Meadows, right, he was like clearing house 0:20:33.680 --> 0:20:38.160 Central for treason, his texts coming to Mark Meadows from 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:43.320 thirty four Republican members of Congress trying to unlawfully overturn 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:51.080 the results of a presidential election. Sorry, and no accountability 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:54.760 for that. One year ago, almost to the day, you 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.160 had a criminal referral by the Department of Justice of 0:20:58.240 --> 0:21:02.040 Mark Meadows to be executed for contempt of Congress, a 0:21:02.160 --> 0:21:06.320 crime he absolutely committed, there's no question about that, just 0:21:06.359 --> 0:21:10.000 as Steve Bannon and Peter Navarro committed. Those two were 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:14.320 referred for prosecution and were indicted. Bannon's been convicted. Mark 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:17.440 Meadows was never even charged. That was a year ago. 0:21:18.560 --> 0:21:21.879 Now we have just yesterday there was reporting out of 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:25.600 North Carolina that the North Carolina State Bureau of Investigation 0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.919 has finished its investigation of Mark Meadows for voter fraud. 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:31.240 Remember where he lied about living in a trailer and 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:37.680 Scaly Mount that's right, and he didn't live there, and 0:21:37.800 --> 0:21:41.080 that's voter fraud. And he not only used that address 0:21:41.119 --> 0:21:43.359 as his home of residents to vote, but also to 0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:48.480 run for Congress. That's election fraud at large. Right, So 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:51.000 let's see if he's prosecuted. Now it's in the hands 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.160 of Attorney General for North Carolina, Josh Time. Let's hope 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.800 he's prosecuted for those crimes. But as of right now, 0:21:57.400 --> 0:22:01.040 Mark Meadows has been above the law, and nobody has 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:06.120 followed the facts and followed the law to their logical conclusion, 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:09.880 which is an indictment of Mark Meadows. I hope that changes, Danielle, 0:22:09.880 --> 0:22:12.240 because if it doesn't, I want to know what the 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:17.280 American people are to do. I just don't get it, 0:22:17.560 --> 0:22:20.200 you know. I guess that's that's really the issue is 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:24.720 that I don't understand how it is that we've gotten 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:28.920 to this place where you can literally rattle off all 0:22:28.960 --> 0:22:31.359 of the things that Mark Meadows has done, all of 0:22:31.400 --> 0:22:35.280 the things that Donald Trump has done, and nothing, nothing 0:22:35.320 --> 0:22:39.520 has happened. So staying in DC, let's go to the 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:43.960 case of the oath Keepers, where something where justice actually 0:22:44.040 --> 0:22:48.960 finally was served and see, like Glenn, are we going 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:55.280 to use this as the trampoline, this conviction on seditious 0:22:55.280 --> 0:23:02.360 conspiracy as the way to get us to the architects 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.720 that got those people to the Capitol Building in the 0:23:04.760 --> 0:23:10.359 first place. Does that charge turn as Stewart Rhodes, you know, 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:15.399 into a parrot that will talk, let's hope. So because 0:23:15.560 --> 0:23:18.080 you know, make no mistake about it, it was historic 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:21.800 that the prosecutors from the US Attorney's Office, from the 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:24.399 District of Columbia. I sat in that trial for seven weeks. 0:23:24.440 --> 0:23:27.680 That was a long trial to cover, but frankly it 0:23:27.760 --> 0:23:30.400 was a pleasure because it was my friends and former 0:23:30.400 --> 0:23:35.240 colleagues who were prosecuting the case. And they convicted the 0:23:35.240 --> 0:23:38.760 oath Keepers of attempting to violently overthrow the government or 0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:41.480 attempting to violently stop the execution of the laws of 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.679 the United States. That's a big deal. Now that the 0:23:44.760 --> 0:23:48.520 Oathkeepers are convicted of a seditious conspiracy, and there's a 0:23:48.560 --> 0:23:51.080 second Oathkeeper's trial that's up and running in district court 0:23:51.160 --> 0:23:53.919 right now in DC, and then the Proud Boys trial 0:23:54.080 --> 0:23:57.119 is about to kick off also for seditious conspiracy. So 0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.680 where did these convictions lead us? They absolute lutely lead 0:24:00.800 --> 0:24:03.720 us into the Willard War Room, because it's the Proud 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.800 Boys and the Oathkeepers who were plugged in pretty directly 0:24:07.200 --> 0:24:13.640 to guys like Roger Stone, Mike Flynn's Alex Jones. So 0:24:13.760 --> 0:24:17.840 I do think these convictions will be building blocks that 0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:22.960 will take us closer to the hierarchy, the command structure 0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:25.920 of the insurrection, the people in the Willard war Room. 0:24:26.200 --> 0:24:28.639 And we know Mark Meadows was plugged into the Willard 0:24:28.680 --> 0:24:31.000 war Room, and we've heard reporting that Donald Trump was 0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:34.080 calling over to the Willard War Room. So yes, these 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:37.840 are important building blocks. Hopefully we don't have to wait 0:24:37.880 --> 0:24:41.600 another year or two or three to actually see some 0:24:41.720 --> 0:24:45.880 concrete results by way of charges of the command structure 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.199 of the insurrection. I don't think we will. But you 0:24:49.240 --> 0:24:52.080 know what, I've been fooled so many times. I've got 0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:56.040 hero fatigue, I've got justice fatigue. I thought Bob Muller 0:24:56.080 --> 0:24:58.600 would do it, but bar Billbard didn't let him, and 0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:01.959 the Office of Legal Council memo saying you can't indict 0:25:02.080 --> 0:25:06.040 a sitting criminal president didn't let him, which that memo 0:25:06.400 --> 0:25:08.600 takes us one giant step in the direction of a 0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:11.719 Banana republic. That a president can commit all the crimes 0:25:11.760 --> 0:25:14.840 he wants with impunity while in office. That's that's insanity, 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:20.919 that's Banana Republic stuff, right. So I've been fooled before. 0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:23.199 I thought Merrick Arland was going to come in and 0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:27.160 go Gangbusters, even though he was a very quiet, circumspect, thoughtful, 0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:30.080 judicial kind of guy, and I think he proved to 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.520 be way too much judge and not enough prosecutor. Now 0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:36.800 Jack Smith seems to be enough prosecutor. One of my 0:25:36.960 --> 0:25:39.520 I've had people that worked with me and for me 0:25:39.600 --> 0:25:42.000 at the DCUs Attorney's Office go over and work for 0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:44.600 Jack Smith directly when he was head of public infegory, 0:25:44.600 --> 0:25:47.320 public coruption at the Department of Justice. They say, this 0:25:47.480 --> 0:25:50.120 guy really does prosecute without fear or favor. He goes 0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:52.680 after everybody would lose or draw left, right or center. 0:25:52.840 --> 0:25:55.520 I like that, but now we need to see some 0:25:55.600 --> 0:26:01.520 damn concrete results. So Glenn, let's let's look into the 0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:08.639 crystal ball. What do you think is coming down in 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:14.080 twenty twenty three? And I mean, we've been doing this 0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:20.480 for two years, waiting on these indictments, waiting on the 0:26:20.520 --> 0:26:24.080 hammer to drop, waiting on the breaking news ticker that 0:26:24.200 --> 0:26:31.080 says Donald Trump, Mark Meadows. Everybody's being indicted on conspiracy 0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:35.240 to overthrow the government, on stealing you know, secrets from 0:26:35.240 --> 0:26:41.080 the government, on any goddamn thing. What do you predict 0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:47.119 for twenty twenty three? Well, you know, if twenty twenty 0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:48.879 two fooled me, I thought it was going to be 0:26:48.880 --> 0:26:52.280 the year of accountability. All I can do now is 0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:55.640 roll that over to twenty twenty three and hope that 0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:58.560 will be the year of accountability, because you know, what 0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:01.280 the hell would be so bad about equal justice for all? 0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:04.760 What would be so bad about that as a goal 0:27:05.359 --> 0:27:08.840 for our nation? I don't get it, you know, Joe Biden. 0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:10.439