WEBVTT - #684 Packers Unscripted: Defeat in Detroit 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:10.360 Hi, everybody, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.400 --> 0:00:13.760 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 0:00:13.760 --> 0:00:16.119 by my trusted colleague West hod Qwitz. Were coming to 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:20.760 you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West. Unfortunately, 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.319 for the fifth Tuesday in a row, we are here 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:29.120 to talk about a Packers loss, and honestly, this was 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.640 this was the most distressing one. Um The Detroit Lions 0:00:32.680 --> 0:00:34.800 came in on a five game losing streak, the Packers 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:38.400 were on a four game losing streak, and Green Bay's 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.479 losing streak continues. Fifteen to nine is the final score. 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.599 And I guess if there's a way to sum up 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.440 how this game epitomized how the last month or so 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:49.960 have Packers football has gone. We sat here every week 0:00:50.000 --> 0:00:53.680 and talk about talked about missed opportunities that might have 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:58.440 altered the course of the game. This one, it's missed 0:00:58.480 --> 0:01:03.000 opportunities that absolutely be positively altered the outcome of the 0:01:03.040 --> 0:01:07.399 game because the Packers had plenty of chances to score 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.200 enough points to win this one and they simply didn't 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:12.160 get it done. There's a lot of times, Joel sitting here, 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:13.880 we'll talk for twenty two and a half minutes or 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:15.880 whatever it ends up being, and then we just move 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.440 about our day. Honestly, Marvin from the back could punch 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.119 their you know, punch all the buttons on this thing. 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:26.280 I can mention losing the turnover battle three to one, 0:01:27.520 --> 0:01:30.360 going over four in the red zone, over two and 0:01:30.400 --> 0:01:33.319 goal ago. We could call it a day. I mean, 0:01:33.360 --> 0:01:35.800 that's ultimately what this came down to. That was the game. 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.320 And Mike, what was the biggest line that I reiterated? 0:01:39.319 --> 0:01:41.080 We both talked about it, But the biggest line I 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:44.280 was pitching all last week is that they've done good 0:01:44.319 --> 0:01:47.480 things against the New York Giants. They've done good things 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:50.200 against the New York Jets. They did good things in Washington, 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.880 they did really good things late in Buffalo. But what 0:01:54.000 --> 0:01:57.160 you do in those games does not guarantee victory the 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.280 following week. The strides you make in certain air is 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.760 doesn't mean that those areas are going to hold up 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.720 the following week. In this game, as you talked about 0:02:05.760 --> 0:02:08.160 with this five game losing streak, this game epitomized all 0:02:08.160 --> 0:02:12.160 of that. Because Packers had three total yards of offense, 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.639 they dominated time of possession, third downs, they were six 0:02:15.680 --> 0:02:17.800 for eight in the first half. They did all the 0:02:17.919 --> 0:02:21.440 things well except finish, and in some of these other 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:24.000 games this year, the Packers have been not as good 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:25.640 on third downs and then they've been able to punch 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.799 the ball in the end zone. It's just that inconsistency. 0:02:28.840 --> 0:02:31.480 And it's that line that Adam Stenovich said last Thursday 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:33.720 that is kind of he was talking just strictly about 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.000 the offensive line about the only thing that's been consistent 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:39.160 is inconsistency, and unfortunately for the Packers, I think as 0:02:39.160 --> 0:02:41.200 a whole through the first nine games, that's been sort 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:43.560 of the hallmark of this team. Yeah, the statistic that 0:02:43.639 --> 0:02:45.680 kind of blows you away from this game is the 0:02:45.720 --> 0:02:52.000 fact that the Packers had eight possessions that ended in 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.320 Lions territory on the plus side of the fifty. The 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.480 only one that didn't is when the Packers took a 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.440 knee at the end of the first half, when they 0:02:59.440 --> 0:03:02.960 didn't have enough time to do anything. The other eight 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:05.799 times the Packers had the ball, they crossed, they were 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:10.079 across midfield every single time, and out of those eight possessions, 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:13.760 they were only able to produce nine points. That's it's all. 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:17.080 It's it's hard to fathom. Um. And we don't need 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:18.920 to go over the chapter in verse of you know, 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.240 from the five yard line and interception from the one 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.240 yard line and interception and an interception right after the 0:03:24.240 --> 0:03:27.480 Packers defense got an interception. I mean, we all saw it. 0:03:28.440 --> 0:03:30.840 We all know what happened. There was another another failed 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.239 fourth down. Um, you know inside the forty yard line 0:03:34.720 --> 0:03:39.400 of Detroit, when the Packers couldn't convert so many, so 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:42.040 many chances. And uh and to walk out of to 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:44.800 walk out of Ford Field with a fifteen and nine loss. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.800 And Aaron Rodgers said it after the game, you can't 0:03:47.840 --> 0:03:51.560 lose a game like that to that team. Um and uh. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.960 And the Packers couldn't. Packers couldn't lose that game, but 0:03:56.080 --> 0:04:00.680 they did and uh. And now they have to turn 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:03.200 the page to two home games in a span of 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:07.240 five days against a couple of teams that are right 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:09.960 in the thick of the playoff front in their respective conferences, 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:13.640 Dallas in the NFC and Tennessee in the a f C, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:17.520 UM the U in terms of the opponents you're facing. 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:20.480 The gauntlet of the schedule is coming up now and 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:24.200 the Packers are still searching for that victory that maybe, 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:27.080 just maybe one win could start to turn things in 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:30.120 another direction, but they haven't gotten it for five weeks. Well, 0:04:30.160 --> 0:04:32.640 and again it tends to be one of these things 0:04:32.680 --> 0:04:34.400 where I do the inbox on Mondays and then we 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.159 come in here on Tuesday mornings and and sort of 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.640 hash this thing out. And I recall something I said 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.599 an inbox as well, which is I don't care about 0:04:42.600 --> 0:04:44.640 the season right now. I don't care about the playoffs. 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:46.960 I don't care about the future. It is all about 0:04:46.960 --> 0:04:49.560 win number four and about finding a win four. I 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:51.960 think it's been thirty seven days. The Packers have still 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:54.680 been chasing that that fourth win of the season. That's 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:58.920 the emphasis right now. That's the focus. And they're going 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.640 up against a really good Dallas Cowboys team this weekend. 0:05:01.640 --> 0:05:04.200 We'll preview it, you know, later this week. But the 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:06.400 team of that again is coming off a bye, much 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:09.280 like Buffalo was, Much like the mini by with Washington. 0:05:10.000 --> 0:05:12.640 This schedule has done the Packers no favors. There's been 0:05:12.680 --> 0:05:14.920 times where the calls have not done the Packers. The 0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:18.159 officials calls have not done the Packers any favors. There's 0:05:18.200 --> 0:05:22.120 been adversity that has hit time and time again. You 0:05:22.160 --> 0:05:24.680 can probably fill up a minute block here coming up 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:27.040 discussing all the injuries the Packers had coming out of 0:05:27.040 --> 0:05:29.560 this game against the Lions. But one of the big 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.719 things that Matt Lafloor always talks about, one of his 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.760 big you know lines, is nobody's going to feel sorry 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:38.400 for you. That's where the Packers are there, three and six. 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:40.599 And when you look at this coin flip league in 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:44.520 the amount of parody in the National Football League, there 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:46.640 are times where you're three and six. There's times when 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.359 you're six and three and you know, Aaron Rodgers touched 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:51.159 on it after the game. The Packers won a lot 0:05:51.160 --> 0:05:54.440 of one score games early on, especially in nineteen under 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:58.400 Matt Lafloor. In this year, those fortunes, those odds have 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.560 not been in their favor so far. Yeah. And this 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:05.200 this uh, this game once again was another another example 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:08.360 the epitome, if you will, of the self inflicted wounds 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:15.680 because the interceptions were um, we're certainly the fault of 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:21.040 Aaron Rodgers the um and as much as on defense, 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:28.239 the holding a Detroit team that had averaged nearly thirty 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.919 six points per game at home to fifteen points. Bottom 0:06:31.920 --> 0:06:34.240 line is that was a defensive performance that should have 0:06:34.279 --> 0:06:35.919 been good enough to win the game. So as I 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:37.960 get into some of the things that went wrong with 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:41.400 the defense, that needs to be out there first and foremost. 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:47.360 The defense overall played well enough to win, but some 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:49.960 of the same types of things that we've seen in 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:54.440 previous weeks are still hurting this Packers defensive. Even though 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.120 they only gave up fifteen points, they had opportunities to 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.440 play even better. Jr. Alex Ander had a great interception 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:07.000 in the game, but earlier he had a totally undisciplined 0:07:07.400 --> 0:07:10.760 on you know, unnecessary roughness penalty that turned a sixteen 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:14.480 yard pass play into a thirty one yard chunk play 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.720 for the Lions, which led to a touchdown. Right before halftime. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:22.840 Third and fifteen, Keyshan Nixon gets called for defensive holding 0:07:22.840 --> 0:07:25.920 and instead of getting a stop right there in Detroit territory, 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.440 Detroit goes on to score it's other touchdown because of 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.840 the reprieve. They're a five yard penalty on third and 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:34.480 fifteen that gives them an automatic first down and the 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.560 Packers can't get the stop. Late in the game, a 0:07:37.600 --> 0:07:40.960 second and twenty, they take a checkdown throw over the 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:42.920 middle they're just trying to get a few yards to 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:47.000 make it third and twelve, and Chris Barnes gets called 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.520 for a helmet hit and unfortunately then has to leave 0:07:49.560 --> 0:07:52.520 the game for a concussion evaluation. But then that fifteen 0:07:52.560 --> 0:07:55.440 yard penalty extends the drive for the Lions. The Packers 0:07:55.520 --> 0:07:57.679 don't get it back then for their final drive until 0:07:57.720 --> 0:07:59.680 just a couple of minutes left, as opposed to having 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:01.760 maybe four or four and a half minutes on the 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:04.080 clock if they get a stop there off of the 0:08:04.120 --> 0:08:07.960 second and twenty situation. Those are the kinds of things 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:12.240 that continue to happen to this team in this game 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:16.480 on on on both sides of the ball. And you 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.400 don't need every single thing to go your way to 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:22.240 win a game that ends up fifteen to nine. But 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:26.040 you can't have this many things that that are nothing 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.120 but your own fault, um, you know, the self inflicted 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:31.680 kind of stuff and expect to win and and and 0:08:31.720 --> 0:08:34.080 it's what it's what the Packers have to as Matt 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:36.160 la Felix, to say, win or lose, you have to 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:39.320 hit the reset button. You have to start over. And 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.640 that's what they'll do this week and preparing for Dallas. 0:08:42.920 --> 0:08:45.200 But some of but some of these lessons from week 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.480 to week, you know when things when things aren't changing, 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:50.839 it's hard to know. It's hard to know when it's 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:53.960 going to well. And this was the most probably maddening 0:08:54.040 --> 0:08:57.120 part of this thing for the Packers was that they 0:08:57.200 --> 0:09:02.040 played well despite a lot of injuries, a lot of departures. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.160 I mean, they go into this game without Devondre Campbell, 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:06.520 so you know you have a rookie in Kuay Walker 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:10.480 who's relaying the calls the mic linebacker they're rotating their 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:14.160 inside backers Isam McDuffie and Chris Barnes both played there. 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.240 Eric Stokes leaves with an ankle and knee injury that 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.520 forces were Soul Douglas to come in, and as you 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.880 talked about with Keishaw Nixon getting the defensive holding while 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:25.640 he's in the slot. Because they lost Stokes, you lose 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.240 you ver Shawn Gary to what appears to be a 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.960 season ending knee injury. Kingsley and Nigbari has the only 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.080 sack for Green Bay in this game, but that gets 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:36.280 wiped out because the way that Goff's falling his head, 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:40.240 his hand makes you contact with his helmet. It is 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.199 one of these situations where I thought, in a lot 0:09:43.240 --> 0:09:46.440 of ways for the Packers defense, it you get done 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:51.000 with that game and it's fifteen points. You know, Jared 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:53.319 Goff through for a hundred thirty seven yards and the 0:09:53.440 --> 0:09:56.200 jol had they only had two hundred fifty some yards, 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:58.840 I think, and they've been they'd been a as I said, 0:09:58.880 --> 0:10:01.480 four hundred yard you a thirty plus point team at 0:10:01.520 --> 0:10:04.880 home throughout the course of the year. Yeah, Jamal Williams 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:06.880 has three point four yards per carry. The guy that 0:10:06.960 --> 0:10:09.360 had eight touchdowns a lot of red zone finishes, wasn't 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:12.200 able to punch. There's just so many little things in 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.040 this game where the Packers did enough to win with 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.120 their defense, but they didn't get a pick six. They didn't, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:20.920 you know, as as much as Joi Alexander tried on 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.520 his you know, twenty nine yard return off the interception 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:27.080 that golf he had off golf. Nice play. It's just 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.320 been one of those kind of things. And mattal Floor, 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:31.920 I thought, summed up perfectly. When you give up fifteen points, 0:10:31.920 --> 0:10:33.960 you expect to win that football game, and it just 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:36.080 wasn't enough for Green Bay. And then it just at 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.760 various points this season, it just hasn't been quite enough. 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.760 So where you go from here, I think a lot 0:10:41.840 --> 0:10:43.720 of it's going to depend on what this you know, 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:47.400 injury report looks like on Wednesday. It sounds like they've 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:50.199 dodged a bullet with Aaron Jones, which is huge because 0:10:50.280 --> 0:10:51.920 during that final stretch at the end of the game 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:54.880 they didn't have him available. Um, you wonder how that 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:57.559 potentially changes some of that two minute if if he's there, 0:10:57.600 --> 0:11:01.640 because typically he's been the two minute running back. Um, 0:11:01.920 --> 0:11:04.800 you know, Christian Watson, thankfully, it sounds like did not 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:07.680 suffer a concussion that was really scary for him. You know, 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.440 I just talked about two unfortunate type scenarios that just 0:11:11.480 --> 0:11:13.200 play out in the game of football, where this young 0:11:13.280 --> 0:11:15.720 man is in you know, going to catch the ball, 0:11:16.080 --> 0:11:20.800 gets the ball, and there's you know, guys crashing on him. Unfortunately, 0:11:20.840 --> 0:11:22.600 looks like you might lose Dobbs here for a little bit. 0:11:22.880 --> 0:11:25.920 Think the key for Matt Laflour, offense, defense, special teams, 0:11:25.960 --> 0:11:27.600 as they're gonna need to get back in the building 0:11:27.640 --> 0:11:31.760 this week, get their confidence back after a game like that, 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.040 and remind themselves that we lost to a pretty good 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.040 Giants team. We lost to a pretty good Jets team 0:11:38.040 --> 0:11:40.800 that just you know, took you know, Buffalo to the 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.240 wood shed Washington. They lost, but I mean they've played 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.280 better in Buffalo is Buffalo. This was the first one 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:50.360 where I left the building, left Ford Field going how 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.240 you gotta beat that team? And and to close on 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:56.120 my long winded point there, Aaron Jones said it afterwards. 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:58.800 They felt like they all played you know, Detroit, but 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.280 when you lose fifteen to line, it is what it is. 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:04.559 And for Dan Campbell's crew that might have been a 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:07.319 job saving you know, performance for Campbell, you don't know 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.960 right now, and just a disheartening, uh you know loss. Yeah, 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:16.160 Well to crystallize or to to uh to go over 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:19.160 all of the injuries in in one fell swoop here. 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:24.280 The bad news is that it sounds like Rashaan Garry's 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.200 season is over with the knee injury, and it sounds 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:31.920 like it could be a significant injury. It was announced 0:12:31.920 --> 0:12:35.199 as both knee and ankle injuries for second year cornerback 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:38.560 Eric Stokes. Matt Flour's update on Monday, as they're still 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.800 gathering some more information, running some tests there, so we'll 0:12:41.840 --> 0:12:45.640 see what the prognosis is on Stokes, but there's definitely 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.000 a lot of concern there. And as you mentioned, there 0:12:49.080 --> 0:12:52.719 wasn't really a specific update provided on Romeo Dobs, but 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:55.719 there are some outside media reports indicating that he's going 0:12:55.760 --> 0:13:00.040 to miss multiple weeks. UM not a UM, not a 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.520 serious or necessarily season ending injury, but something that that 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.720 sounds like we'll keep him out for multiple games. I 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.160 mentioned Chris Barnes left the game for a concussion evaluation. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.640 Offensive line, we saw John Runyon leave the game, but 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.040 then he came back in. David Bactieri left the game 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.200 for a significant stretch in the second half, he came 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:23.880 back in. So once again, a lot of things on 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.880 the offensive line influx. Not a lot of certainty there 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.600 as the Packers are going to return to the practice 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.720 field on Wednesday. The good news on the injury side 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.120 of things, as you mentioned, is Aaron Jones with his 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.120 ankle injury. He was held out at the end of 0:13:38.120 --> 0:13:41.720 the game. It doesn't sound like um, it's it sounds 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:44.920 like he avoided anything significant and Matt Lafleur did not 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:47.520 rule out the possibility that he might be back and 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:50.319 be able to play this week against the Cowboys and 0:13:50.360 --> 0:13:53.480 then Christian Watson. We saw him take another big hit 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:57.520 after a pass reception. He was removed from the game 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:00.760 for a concussion evaluation. It turned out it was not 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:03.000 a concussion. It turned out he was not hit in 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:06.679 the head. What was determined is that he actually the 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:09.640 the the brunt of the shot that he took was 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.920 actually to his chest and he staggered a little bit 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.880 or you know. Um didn't look completely in control of 0:14:16.920 --> 0:14:19.560 his faculty, so to speak, because the wind was knocked 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.160 out of him, but he was trying to stay on 0:14:21.200 --> 0:14:24.800 his feet instead of falling uh to the turf. So 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:29.800 he cleared everything with regard to head injury or concussion concerns. 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.840 But because of the concussion the previous week in Buffalo 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:36.000 and that hit knocking the wind out of him Um 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:38.440 in Detroit, he was held out for the rest of 0:14:38.440 --> 0:14:41.440 the game, the Packers taking the high side of caution there. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:43.480 I have to can make a quick comment about that. 0:14:43.920 --> 0:14:46.040 I get a kick out of the fans reaction to 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:48.600 this too, because before that we're getting all these questions 0:14:48.600 --> 0:14:50.440 in the inbox. Hated the Packers need to shut him 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.960 down for the season. Is this a long term concern? 0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:55.720 Matt la Floor goes to the podium at three pm 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.240 on Monday and says, Yep, not a concussion, and immediately 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.440 switched to why wasn't he back in the game? That 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:04.200 why didn't he play? And I want to address this 0:15:04.360 --> 0:15:06.880 because it's not just about the to a thing, although 0:15:06.880 --> 0:15:09.400 I think that's probably the best example of this, a 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:12.600 couple of things to this one. How many times, Mike, 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:14.600 over the years have you and I covered football games 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:18.120 where a guy passes the initial concussion protocol and then 0:15:18.200 --> 0:15:20.360 and not even comes back to the game same situation 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:22.680 as Watson, and then maybe a day or two later, 0:15:22.840 --> 0:15:25.160 you know, feel some effects. I don't want to use 0:15:25.200 --> 0:15:27.400 specific names, but I can think of a couple right now, 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.160 I think over the last few years where that happened. 0:15:29.280 --> 0:15:30.880 So you want to make sure this kid is good 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:34.720 at this moment, the next hour, the next day, especially 0:15:35.000 --> 0:15:39.720 with what happened in Buffalo in two the Packers Christian 0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.840 Watson was good to go, he was cleared, everything was fine. 0:15:42.880 --> 0:15:45.320 We saw him practice this past week. He looked great. 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.040 But you do when people are asking about do you 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:50.960 want to be careful with him? That was the Packers 0:15:51.000 --> 0:15:53.600 being careful with it in that moment, making sure that 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.920 This is a young man, second round draft pick, great prospect, 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.600 but also a twenty two year old kid that you 0:15:59.680 --> 0:16:03.000 gotta make sure that for his decision making, for his livelihood, 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:05.320 he's gonna be okay. Yeah, And no matter how much 0:16:05.360 --> 0:16:07.680 he's standing there on the sideline talking to the medical 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.520 staff saying I'm good, put me back in, I passed everything, 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:12.760 put me back in the game. And the Packers are like, no, 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:15.440 we're not We're not going to do that. They were 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:18.120 going to take the high side of caution, even though 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.600 he obviously could have been a huge factor down the 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:22.720 stretch with the with the Packers getting into the red 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.400 zone on the final possession of the game and throwing 0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:27.680 four straight in complete passes. Of course he could have 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:30.400 made a difference. Of course Aaron Jones could have made 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:33.920 a difference as well, but that's not how the Packers 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.400 were going to go about it. And uh, and now 0:16:36.440 --> 0:16:39.000 it's it's let's see where these guys are this week 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:41.080 moving and you don't want that young man to have 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.680 three bad hits then in two games. That's not great 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:49.240 for optics either. Hopefully pulls through this week is available 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:51.440 here for this game against Dallas because I'm telling you, Mike, 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:53.280 depending on what happens with Dobbs, they're not going to 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.320 get Randall Cobb back this week. They're gonna need Christian 0:16:56.320 --> 0:16:58.440 Watson here during these next two months. Yeah, and I'll 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.040 give I want to give a shout out here to 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:02.840 while we're talking about injuries. UM, I know you were 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.080 in the press box in Detroit. I was actually back 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.399 here at the office covering the game live blogging the 0:17:07.400 --> 0:17:11.240 game off of TV. And uh um, but even off 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.000 of the television broadcast, you could tell that Alan Bazard 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.880 was absolutely gutting that game out. On the bad shoulder, 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.000 he was he was, he was giving it everything he 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.959 had and quite frankly, I think the I think the 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:27.280 shoulder played potentially played a factor in him not quite 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:30.359 being able to haul in that fourth and three pass 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:33.720 on on the seam shot there that was initially ruled 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.680 to catch. Replay obviously showed that the ball scraped the ground, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:40.160 so it was ruled incomplete and a turnover. On downs, 0:17:40.600 --> 0:17:44.640 he did catch the Packers only touchdown pass of the game. Um, 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.720 Alan Zard absolutely gutted it out in that game. And 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:50.680 and uh and I just wanted to say that because 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:52.800 for all of the injuries and everything and and the 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:55.920 list as we've gone through, it got ridiculous in this 0:17:56.000 --> 0:17:59.680 game and over the course of this season, it's gotten 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.000 ridicu killis and you just wonder, like, you know, when 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:05.640 are you know how how much? How many more times? 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:09.200 Are these hits just gonna keep coming in the health department. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.199 But um, hopefully at some point here the Packers are 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.080 going to start to look like a healthier and watching Alan, 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.280 I know there was one instance where he left quickly, 0:18:18.320 --> 0:18:20.120 went and talked to the training staff early on, came 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.040 back he was fine. But he played sixty the seventy 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.920 four snaps and I think I basically end to add 0:18:24.960 --> 0:18:26.840 my eyes glued onto every single time he went to 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:29.879 the sideline, and I would say if there was nine 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:33.159 place he didn't play at least eight of them. It 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:34.560 wasn't that he was just going to the sideline like 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.280 sitting there waiting to go back in. It was him 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.840 like on one knee with water getting himself back. I 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:44.240 mean that guy of the snaps, I mean shoulder everything. 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:46.439 I mean, he put it all out there. Four catches 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:48.560 for eighty seven yards and a touchdown. The Greeny Packers 0:18:48.560 --> 0:18:51.120 needed him. Yeah, No, question about it? 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UM. 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.719 We had talked last Thursday in previewing Week nine about 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.840 the Jets against Buffalo and whether some sort of a 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:35.280 statement might be made there by the New York Jets, 0:19:35.280 --> 0:19:38.120 who are adjusting for life without Breece Hall, their star 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:41.200 young running back, and lo and behold, the Jets came 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:44.800 from behind late in the game to knock off the 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:48.800 Buffalo Bills, and suddenly the a f C East is 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:53.400 uh is really anybody's division to win? With Buffalo now 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:58.160 taking a second loss on the year. UM, the Minnesota Vikings. 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:02.120 They win their sixth knsecut to one score game. They 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:08.080 are now seven and one UM and I'll say this, 0:20:08.560 --> 0:20:10.320 I give I give a lot of credit for what 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:14.480 the Vikings have done Kevin O'Connell, the culture that he's 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:17.919 obviously trying to build, to build and create their what 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.680 the Vikings are doing is so reminiscent to me of 0:20:22.240 --> 0:20:25.400 Matt Lafleur's first season here in Green Bay in twenty nineteen, 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:29.040 Kevin O'Connell's first season in green Bay in Minnesota in 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:33.280 two It's so similar. It's it's winning the close games 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:39.160 and it's doing so by consistently weekly game after game, 0:20:39.280 --> 0:20:42.119 being the better team in the fourth quarter. That was 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.879