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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague West hod Qwitz. Were coming to

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Speaker 1: you here from our studios at lambeau Field and West. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: for the fifth Tuesday in a row, we are here

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Speaker 1: to talk about a Packers loss, and honestly, this was

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Speaker 1: this was the most distressing one. Um The Detroit Lions

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Speaker 1: came in on a five game losing streak, the Packers

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Speaker 1: were on a four game losing streak, and Green Bay's

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Speaker 1: losing streak continues. Fifteen to nine is the final score.

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Speaker 1: And I guess if there's a way to sum up

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Speaker 1: how this game epitomized how the last month or so

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Speaker 1: have Packers football has gone. We sat here every week

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Speaker 1: and talk about talked about missed opportunities that might have

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Speaker 1: altered the course of the game. This one, it's missed

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Speaker 1: opportunities that absolutely be positively altered the outcome of the

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Speaker 1: game because the Packers had plenty of chances to score

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Speaker 1: enough points to win this one and they simply didn't

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Speaker 1: get it done. There's a lot of times, Joel sitting here,

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Speaker 1: we'll talk for twenty two and a half minutes or

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Speaker 1: whatever it ends up being, and then we just move

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Speaker 1: about our day. Honestly, Marvin from the back could punch

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Speaker 1: their you know, punch all the buttons on this thing.

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Speaker 1: I can mention losing the turnover battle three to one,

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Speaker 1: going over four in the red zone, over two and

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Speaker 1: goal ago. We could call it a day. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's ultimately what this came down to. That was the game.

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Speaker 1: And Mike, what was the biggest line that I reiterated?

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Speaker 1: We both talked about it, But the biggest line I

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Speaker 1: was pitching all last week is that they've done good

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Speaker 1: things against the New York Giants. They've done good things

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Speaker 1: against the New York Jets. They did good things in Washington,

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Speaker 1: they did really good things late in Buffalo. But what

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Speaker 1: you do in those games does not guarantee victory the

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Speaker 1: following week. The strides you make in certain air is

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Speaker 1: doesn't mean that those areas are going to hold up

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Speaker 1: the following week. In this game, as you talked about

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Speaker 1: of that. Because Packers had three total yards of offense,

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Speaker 1: they dominated time of possession, third downs, they were six

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Speaker 1: for eight in the first half. They did all the

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Speaker 1: games this year, the Packers have been not as good

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Speaker 1: on third downs and then they've been able to punch

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Speaker 1: the ball in the end zone. It's just that inconsistency.

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Speaker 1: And it's that line that Adam Stenovich said last Thursday

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Speaker 1: a whole through the first nine games, that's been sort

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Speaker 1: of the hallmark of this team. Yeah, the statistic that

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Speaker 1: fact that the Packers had eight possessions that ended in

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Speaker 1: only one that didn't is when the Packers took a

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Speaker 1: didn't have enough time to do anything. The other eight

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Speaker 1: across midfield every single time, and out of those eight possessions,

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Speaker 1: they were only able to produce nine points. That's it's all.

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Speaker 1: It's it's hard to fathom. Um. And we don't need

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Speaker 1: Packers defense got an interception. I mean, we all saw it.

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Speaker 1: We all know what happened. There was another another failed

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Speaker 1: And Aaron Rodgers said it after the game, you can't

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Speaker 1: lose a game like that to that team. Um and uh.

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Speaker 1: And the Packers couldn't. Packers couldn't lose that game, but

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Speaker 1: The gauntlet of the schedule is coming up now and

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Speaker 1: the Packers are still searching for that victory that maybe,

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Speaker 1: another direction, but they haven't gotten it for five weeks. Well,

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Speaker 1: and again it tends to be one of these things

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Speaker 1: I don't care about the future. It is all about

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Speaker 1: win number four and about finding a win four. I

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Speaker 1: think it's been thirty seven days. The Packers have still

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Speaker 1: been chasing that that fourth win of the season. That's

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Speaker 1: the emphasis right now. That's the focus. And they're going

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Speaker 1: up against a really good Dallas Cowboys team this weekend.

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Speaker 1: We'll preview it, you know, later this week. But the

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Speaker 1: team of that again is coming off a bye, much

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Speaker 1: like Buffalo was, Much like the mini by with Washington.

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Speaker 1: This schedule has done the Packers no favors. There's been

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Speaker 1: times where the calls have not done the Packers. The

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Speaker 1: officials calls have not done the Packers any favors. There's

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Speaker 1: been adversity that has hit time and time again. You

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Speaker 1: can probably fill up a minute block here coming up

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Speaker 1: discussing all the injuries the Packers had coming out of

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Speaker 1: this game against the Lions. But one of the big

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Speaker 1: things that Matt Lafloor always talks about, one of his

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Speaker 1: big you know lines, is nobody's going to feel sorry

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Speaker 1: for you. That's where the Packers are there, three and six.

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Speaker 1: And when you look at this coin flip league in

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Speaker 1: are times where you're three and six. There's times when

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Speaker 1: you're six and three and you know, Aaron Rodgers touched

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Speaker 1: on it after the game. The Packers won a lot

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Speaker 1: of one score games early on, especially in nineteen under

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Speaker 1: Matt Lafloor. In this year, those fortunes, those odds have

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Speaker 1: not been in their favor so far. Yeah. And this

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Speaker 1: the epitome, if you will, of the self inflicted wounds

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Speaker 1: because the interceptions were um, we're certainly the fault of

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Speaker 1: the holding a Detroit team that had averaged nearly thirty

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Speaker 1: line is that was a defensive performance that should have

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Speaker 1: The defense overall played well enough to win, but some

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Speaker 1: the game for a concussion evaluation. But then that fifteen

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Speaker 1: it's what it's what the Packers have to as Matt

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Speaker 1: la Felix, to say, win or lose, you have to

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Speaker 1: that's what they'll do this week and preparing for Dallas.

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Speaker 1: But some of but some of these lessons from week

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Speaker 1: I mean, they go into this game without Devondre Campbell,

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Speaker 1: inside backers Isam McDuffie and Chris Barnes both played there.

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Speaker 1: one of these situations where I thought, in a lot

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Speaker 1: I thought, summed up perfectly. When you give up fifteen points,

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Speaker 1: So where you go from here, I think a lot

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Speaker 1: injury report looks like on Wednesday. It sounds like they've

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Speaker 1: But there are all kinds of questions about Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: That's the way, that's the way this league can work sometimes,

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Speaker 1: The Packers are still trying to claw their way back

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Speaker 1: this week over four on Sunday, the NFC was in

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Speaker 1: for Green Bay. You gotta get a win, you gotta rally,

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Speaker 1: and you're gonna need to start beating some teams that

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Speaker 1: nobody expects you to beat. But this is got time. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: the Packers, as we said, to to home games to

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Speaker 1: and both of them based on the three and six

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Speaker 1: But we'll talk more about that match up with the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys on our next show. For now, we'll call it

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Speaker 1: a wrap on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure

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Speaker 1: to follow all of our coverage of the team on

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Speaker 1: Packers dot com day after day. We've got everything for

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Speaker 1: you for West, I'm Mike, thank you for tuning in. Everybody.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. M