1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Your contact. While interesting in the contact text of science fiction, 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: was at least in my memory recounting a poorly veiled 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: synopsis of an episode of Rocky and Bullwinkle. Ron and 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: Anian those looking to reduce the burden of personal vehicle ownership. 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: That is the first time I have ever seen those words. Yet, 6 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:20,440 Speaker 1: I gotta say this, and this is right up there 7 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: with the Black helicopter conspiracy. But is the government looking 8 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: to take away cars from us? Similar things are said 9 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: about the men in black, that they purposely dress and 10 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: behave strangely so that if anyone tries to describe an 11 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: encounter with them, they come off sounding like a lunatic. 12 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,880 Speaker 1: The Car Doctor, is this going to become a world 13 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: of Logan's run? Is this going to become a world 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 1: of self driving cars? And now they can limit where 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: those cars go, and they can track where we're going. 16 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: I don't like this. Welcome to the radio home of 17 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: Ron and Anian the Car Doctor, any since this is 18 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: where car owners the world overturned to for their definitive 19 00:00:56,560 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: opinion on automotive repair. If your mechanics giving you a 20 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: busy signal, pick up the phone and call in the 21 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: garage doors are open. But I am here to take 22 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: your calls at eight five five five six. And now 23 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,559 Speaker 1: do you ever entertained the idea of trying to find 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: life on this burnet. I've seen the life on this 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: planet's going, and that is exactly why I'm looking elsewhere 26 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 1: running See me up, baby, start your engines running nating. 27 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: The car Doctor here at five zero nine nine zero zero, 28 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: here to take your calls and answer your questions. More 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: information at car doctor show dot com. I sometimes I 30 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 1: think that's why they are looking for intelligent life or 31 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 1: life elsewhere, because it's not so intelligent down here. Um, 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: this radio show is about fixing your car, everything car related. 33 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: I really should say we've been doing this a little 34 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: while in the one Fixing Carson seventy eight, getting older 35 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: by the minute, more crotchety to go with it, But 36 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: that's okay. We're here to fix your car and solve 37 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: your problem and just you know, in general, have a chat. 38 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: So if you're so inclined, give us a call eight 39 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: five five five six zero nine zero of that number 40 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 1: is seven. You can call anytime, day or night. 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I'm getting more organized. 60 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and do this show better. Uh, you 61 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 1: know I have to. It's um, it's it's it's sort 62 00:02:57,639 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: of a soul a solemn obligation. I want to talk 63 00:03:01,280 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 1: about self driving cars, autonomous cars. I've got a couple 64 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:05,359 Speaker 1: of questions on my mind, and some of them were 65 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: from listeners, such as yourselves that you know we talked 66 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: during the week, email and so forth. So let's say 67 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: you're in a self driving car and you're on your 68 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: way to you're on your way to get your nails 69 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: done and you're on your way to the barber for 70 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: a haircut. Okay, your kid calls mom, Dad, whoever? Can 71 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:24,920 Speaker 1: you pick me up from school? I missed the bus? 72 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: What happens? I'd like to see the answer to that. 73 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: Will you as the op as the as the would 74 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: you be You're not the driver, you're the passenger. Will you, 75 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:39,080 Speaker 1: as the passenger of the self driving car, have the 76 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: ability to go, Hey, Alexa, take me to I should 77 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: have said Alexe. I got an Alexa here in the studio. Wait, 78 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: she's gonna talk um. Will you have the ability to 79 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: take me to uh, you know, the kids school and 80 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: give out the address. What if you're in what if 81 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: you're in the self driving car and you feel sick, 82 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: do you have the ability to say, take me to 83 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: the hospital, take me home. I don't want to go 84 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: where I want to go? Do you have the ability 85 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: to turn the car around? What if you know? You? 86 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: Because it's it's you know, think of it like this. 87 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: You're in the self driving car, You're on your way 88 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: to work, or you're on your way to to get 89 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 1: the hair cut, and your kid Coles come pick me up. 90 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: And you know, now, I've got the car from three 91 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:17,840 Speaker 1: to three thirty, but I gotta get it back by 92 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: ten to four because then Tony needs it all right, Now, 93 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 1: what am I gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna screw up 94 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: tony schedule and then then you know, where does Tony 95 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: what happens to him? Are they gonna have enough self 96 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: driving cars that it's not gonna matter? And I can't 97 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: figure that part out. The other thing I want to 98 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,159 Speaker 1: know is, and I'm just throwing this out there for conversation. 99 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: We are we are trying to get ahold of Clark 100 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: Howard and talk to him in the next couple of weeks, 101 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,479 Speaker 1: and we're looking forward to that, and you know, we 102 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: just want to have a casual chat. I want to 103 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: understand self driving cars, what they're trying to do better 104 00:04:48,640 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: than I presently did. I'm just trying to learn what's 105 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: gonna happen. From a cost perspective, we had a customer recently. 106 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: Her car was tied up in the shop all a week. 107 00:04:58,240 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: We had to get parts and it was a long 108 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: drawing out affair, and she needed the car to go 109 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: to work, so she ubered. It was fifteen dollars each 110 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: way to Uber thirty bucks a day times five days, 111 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: that's a hundred and fifty times fifty two weeks fifty weeks. 112 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: Do the math. And that's just going to and from work. 113 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: That's not stopping for coffee, picking up the kids from school, 114 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: going to the doctor's office, shopping, et cetera. Isn't it 115 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: gonna be a whole lot more expensive to have self 116 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: driving cars? From the consumer's perspective, how are you? How 117 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: are you going to afford that? I mean, I guess 118 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen. I guess we have the choices and 119 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: the options now to raise it to see how is 120 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: it going to happen? Because technology is just taking off, 121 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: but technology isn't perfect. Here, I'll tell you this story. 122 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: I had a two thousand and six Toyota to comment 123 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: in the shop. This week, came to us from another 124 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: shop in town. They needed, uh, the powertrain computer, the 125 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: power train control module, the PCM or the e c 126 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: M replaced. They got me a PCM. They brought the 127 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 1: car over. I was gonna flash it, No, Tony, not 128 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 1: you and your raincoat. Saturday night. Computer flashing is where 129 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 1: we install software into the computer via Visa V various 130 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: devices and connectors. So I set up and you know, 131 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: I dialed into Toyota tists and you know, did the 132 00:06:20,920 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: whole subscription download thing. And I've done more than a 133 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: few Toyotas and installed the software. We're done. Hey, great, okay, 134 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 1: no problem. Car started installed. Maybe I turned the QF 135 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: by accident. That can't be right. Car started installed, Car 136 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: started installed. There's a couple of things in it. There's 137 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: a couple of things in life. You don't do. You 138 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,919 Speaker 1: don't get involved in a war in Southeast Asia. You 139 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: don't get involved doing computer flashing three o'clock on a 140 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:55,719 Speaker 1: Friday afternoon, and you just try to embrace technology for 141 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: what it is, but not expected to be correct each 142 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: and every time. Turns out and had a it was 143 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: setting a basin boy t PCM fault that wasn't communicating 144 00:07:07,520 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: with the rest of the vehicle because it had new software. 145 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: I had to do a PCM registration initialization. That's a mouthful. 146 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:19,119 Speaker 1: I've done more than a few toyotas, As I said, 147 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: I haven't had to do this procedure before. What they 148 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: want you to do is they want you to ground 149 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: Pin fourteen at the assembly line, dattle link the O 150 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 1: B D two port as we call it sometimes, and 151 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: ground it with the key on for thirty minutes so 152 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: that the computers can all do a handshake and start 153 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: to talk to each other on the network and say, yep, 154 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 1: this is me and this is me and this is you, 155 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 1: and you gotta ask yourself like why you're telling me. 156 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: In in two thousand six, that was the best technology 157 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: can come up with. And from what I understand, it 158 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: works all the way up through its tacoma as it 159 00:07:58,840 --> 00:08:00,520 Speaker 1: works all the way up through two an eleven two 160 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: thousand twelve. I couldn't find any research above and beyond that. 161 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: And you look at that technology and you say, huh, 162 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: I mean this truck wasn't going anywhere. It would start 163 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: install until you did a PCM registration initialization. That's a mouthful. 164 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: I've got to wonder about self driving cars, I really do. 165 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:21,600 Speaker 1: I've got to look at this very carefully, and you've 166 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: got to you know, it's it's gonna be flood something else. 167 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: I thought about, how will the car know it's broken? 168 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: Other than it will stop? But you know, you drive 169 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: the car. Think about it. You drive your car. Who 170 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: doesn't know when their car isn't right? What do you do? 171 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 1: You get a sense of sound? Either breaks your noisy? 172 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: There it's making a noise from the engine. Okay, there 173 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 1: won't be an engine. Maybe maybe you know the cars 174 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: pulling to the left, there's it seems like they're gonna 175 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: have to give that car the smarts of a person 176 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 1: so that they can sit there and go, hey, the 177 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: car pulls to the left. The car pulls to the right. 178 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: It's got a bad wheel, baring the brakes don't feel right. 179 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: How are we gonna do this? And yet they're gonna 180 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: shove it down our throats. I I want to know 181 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: how's the car gonna know it's broken? Somebody? So I'm 182 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 1: making a list. Do this. If you've got a question 183 00:09:16,120 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: for Clark Howard. And he's a very smart guy, all right, 184 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 1: he's a he's a consumer affairs expert, right Tom, And 185 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:24,080 Speaker 1: he's been on the he's been on radio for many, 186 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: many years. And we we we we think of him 187 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: as you know, if he's saying it, we gotta believe it. 188 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: But we want to get answers to some of our questions. 189 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,480 Speaker 1: If you've got a question for me to ask Clark 190 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: Howard Ron at Car Doctor Show dot com, send me 191 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: an email Ron at Car Doctor Show dot com and 192 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: when we do the interview, we're gonna ask him. All right, 193 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: we're trying to get a hold of him for the 194 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. He's on vacation. I want to 195 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: wait a minute. How come he got a vacation and 196 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: I did I want a vacation because he was nice 197 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:59,079 Speaker 1: to us, And you aren't you asked, you know as 198 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: I really asked, or at think life folks. I'm sorry. No, 199 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,079 Speaker 1: he's on vacation. I've been talking to his personal assistant, 200 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: who's very nice, and his producer people, and he will 201 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 1: when he get when he gets back, they will arrange 202 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: a time and we'll do the we'll do the interview. 203 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: Just remember he may have producer people, he doesn't have 204 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: a Tony I have a Tony. That right. Some people 205 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: everybody needs a Tony, everybody. Some people can say they've 206 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: won an oscar. I've got a Tony to like it. 207 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: I've won the Tony, all right. So let's look at that. 208 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: Smile out a boy, that's my Tony. So anyway, Rod 209 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: and Ady the Car Doctor right, five five zero nine zero, 210 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: we're coming back to open the phone lines right after this. 211 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 1: Don't go away. When the family car needs some fixing. 212 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 1: There's only two things that really matter, getting the right 213 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: part and getting some good advice. It's a pretty safe 214 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: bet that, with over a million parts in stock, pet 215 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: Boys has the right part right now. The pet Boys 216 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: pros are extensively trained to find the right part for 217 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: just about any car truck. Better Yet, these pros can 218 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,679 Speaker 1: also handle the higher installation or service needed. It's always 219 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 1: good to have options and know the pep Boys Pros 220 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: have it covered either way, whether it's a little red 221 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: Corvette or you go, you've come to the right place 222 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 1: to get that car fixed. Ron and Ay in the 223 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: Car Doctor five five zero zero zero. Now back to Ron. 224 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: Remind me a little later this hour, Tony, Tony, wake up, okay, 225 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 1: remind me a little later this hour that I want 226 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: to talk. I've got a really great snap on socket story. 227 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: I want to tell everybody about fixing a car in 228 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 1: the shop. And you know, this is a positive side 229 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,839 Speaker 1: of technology and how something is simple and mechanical as 230 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,440 Speaker 1: changing the way a socket is designed help me fix 231 00:11:49,480 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: a car in record time and and actually prevented a 232 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,959 Speaker 1: small problem from becoming a bigger one. I want to 233 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 1: do that a little later on this hour. Right now, 234 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: let's get over and talk to John and Wisconsin seventy 235 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: six Oldsmobile. Hey, yes, I have a I have a 236 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy six UH four fifty five C I D 237 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: four barrow Oldsmobile. It's about seventy five thousand miles on it. Well, 238 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,719 Speaker 1: what's going on is is as long as the temperatures 239 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 1: like under seventy seventy five, the car starts and it runs. 240 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: Now when I get above seventy eight degrees five. Initially, 241 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: when I first started out in the mornings, I will 242 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: it will go in Sago to the Walmart or whatever 243 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: story is, and I parked, I go in do my story. 244 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: Five ten minutes go by. Now I come out. I'm 245 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 1: gonna start it when I go to start it. It'll start, 246 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: but then it quits, and I'll try it again. It'll 247 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: do that about four or five times. Finally it'll kick 248 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: over and it'll run to them that I can run 249 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: it well two times. Now, what has happened? I've started there, 250 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: continue on down the road and it just quits. So 251 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 1: now I gotta do this gore and through the same 252 00:13:00,400 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: procedure get it started, and finally I finally get it 253 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: back to my garage. Everything. I'm trying to figure out 254 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: what can I do to get this fixed. I talked 255 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 1: to some people and they all look at me and 256 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: stare at me. All right. If this was a computer car, 257 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: we'd have a conversation of about, you know, fourteen different 258 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: things you'd have to check. There's, there's, there's there's two 259 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 1: things I care about here. When it doesn't start, does 260 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: it have fuel? Does it have you know, fuel, fuel pressure, 261 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: fuel volume, fuel in the carb does it have spark? 262 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 1: First two things, when when it doesn't start or when 263 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: it goes into the start stall condition, have you you know, 264 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: taken the air cleaner lit off, open the hood, take 265 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: the air cleaner a little off, take a flash light, 266 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: look down the throat of the carb. You know, crack 267 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: the throttle once or twice. Do you get a good 268 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: solid spray of fuel out of the out of the 269 00:13:54,320 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: accelerator pump nozzles? Uh? No, sir, I really haven't tried that. Uh. 270 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: Let's go, let's go. Let's go to basics. John, Um, 271 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: do do you mold the lawn? Do you have a lawnmower? Yes? 272 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 1: They do? All right? What do you do for a living? Well, 273 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: I'm kind of retired now, but I used to put 274 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: in telephone equipment. Okay, so you're you're you're, you're you're 275 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: smart enough, you're technical enough. You get procedure and diagnostic routine. 276 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: If your lawnmower stopped working? What what? What? What would 277 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,920 Speaker 1: you do to check it out? Well, the first thing 278 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:31,680 Speaker 1: you look at is, uh, is the your fuel in there? Right? 279 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: Quality of fuel? Enough fuel? Is the fuel get into 280 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,040 Speaker 1: the carb Guess what your audible bill engines a big lawnmower? 281 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: Same thing? All right, So we want to think about fuel. 282 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: We want to check for fuel delivery. Do we have 283 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: fuel in the ball, do we have fuel coming out 284 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: the accelerator pump, et cetera. Fuel is easy to cover. 285 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: Here's the hard one. This has h g I ignition, 286 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: doesn't it. Do you know what h G I agnition is? Yeah, yeah, 287 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: seventies six seventy four was first year h G I. 288 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: If I remember right, I graduated high school. My god, 289 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 1: that was such a long time. Yeah, um, because I 290 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: remember being stuck on the side of the road a 291 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: lot of times. I mean, you know, dude, those were 292 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 1: the days. So h G I Ignition had three week links. 293 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: All right, there's a pink wire with a white connector 294 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: that comes over into the cap. That's the hot from 295 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: the ignition switch. You got a vault meter, yes, I do, okay, 296 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: that pink wire will be power key on engine, offer 297 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: key on engine running. That's the hot feed to the coil. 298 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,880 Speaker 1: That's the positive side of the coil. If you want 299 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 1: to set up if you want to set up a 300 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: test port, and when the car goes into its dance 301 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: of no start, start, et cetera, flick your voltmeter on. 302 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: Have you got twelve volts or fourteen volts? If it's 303 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: running or trying to run? What kind of voltage do 304 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: you have on that wire? All right? Unless somebody changed 305 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: the color of the harness or did something to the 306 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: harness over the years, that should be a pink wire 307 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: with a white connector. If you look on the H 308 00:15:55,480 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 1: e I cap, I believe there used to be a 309 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 1: stamp of a positive sign, which means positive out of 310 00:16:00,200 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: the coil, all right, if you've got hot to the coil, 311 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: and if if, if you have any doubts and you 312 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: want it to you can run a hot lead right 313 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 1: from the battery positive. Just tap into that fetal feed 314 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: hot white. That's I shouldn't tell you this story. That's 315 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: how you hot wire in the car. Um. Whoops, there's 316 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: nobody listening. Don't worry. Um, So you know you want 317 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: to have hot there after that, go ahead. I don't 318 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 1: think that this car has a coil. It does have 319 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: a coil. The coils in the distributor cap. Okay, that's okay, 320 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 1: get stopped. What I'm thinking, I'm thinking of the old Yeah, no, 321 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: this is this is the newer, better way until they 322 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: came out with something else. So the coil is built 323 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: into the distributor cap. All right, pretty powerful coil h 324 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: e I coils all right, and and you know that's 325 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: something else. You can take the distributor cap off if 326 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: you never have and and look, okay, and you know 327 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: how does the carbon brush look any signs of arcing? 328 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: How does the inside of the cap look all right? 329 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: I don't think the problem is gonna be there, not 330 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: from from your description for this kind of a problem. 331 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: What I want you to focus on is there's there's 332 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: two components here that I'm concerned with. One's the ignition module, 333 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: the electronic module that black you know, it looks like 334 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: a big box of matches about an inch and a 335 00:17:20,440 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: half two inches long, maybe in a quarter of an 336 00:17:22,920 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: inch y height. UM, they would fail and there was 337 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: no test for that. There were testers over the years 338 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: where we could plug it into this whiz bang, you know, 339 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 1: guest box and it would tell you a good, bad 340 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: or in different But if that if the transistor and 341 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: that thing is overheating and failing. The wonder Meyer trigger, 342 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: I think it was called, and actually I think that's true, 343 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: the one the Meyer trigger inside the HI module. That's 344 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 1: the UM. The Schmitt trigger was in the Ford model. 345 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: You think I'm kitting Tony, I'm telling you it's coming 346 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: back to me. That's really what it was. It was 347 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: a Schmidt trigger and motorcraft and a wonder Meyer trigger 348 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 1: in the delko h E E s and um, you 349 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: can't really test it. The problem is you go an 350 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: aftermarket ignition module. Now all the stuff is cheap junk 351 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:06,800 Speaker 1: made in China, and you may be putting a problem 352 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 1: in the car. So if you plan on keeping this car, 353 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: one of the things I would do is source eBay 354 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: and look for some n OS new old stock Delco modules. 355 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: At least if you have to change it, you know 356 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: it's good, all right. So it could be a module, 357 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: or it could be the pickup coil. All right, you 358 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean when I say to you, John, 359 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,040 Speaker 1: the pickup coil puts out an A C voltage. It's 360 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: an A C voltage generator. Uh kind of yeah, it's 361 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: as like a right, it's just an If we looked 362 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,400 Speaker 1: at it on the scope, it would be it would 363 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 1: be a curved wave above and below the line. It's 364 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: an A C voltage signal. And I've seen it where 365 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: when those pickup coils get hot, they actually will start 366 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: to do exactly what you're describing. So maybe the solution 367 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 1: is can you find another distributor just to change it? 368 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: All right? Does it change the characteristic of the hard 369 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 1: Does it make the problem go away? Maybe that's the 370 00:19:02,400 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: easiest way to diagnosis and then you can work your 371 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: way out from there. Call me back, let me know 372 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: what happens. I'm running any of the Car Doctor. We're 373 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: back right after this pretty go ronn and eating the 374 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: Car Doctor. I'm in here with Lucy the Wonder Dog. 375 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: Let me say, Lou Okay, she's going to sleep. So Um, 376 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: hardest hardest working person in the studio next to me 377 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: right now. So Tom and Tony, you're doing nothing over there. 378 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: Let's go over to where are we going? Uh, let's 379 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: go over and talk to Stephen Vermont two thousand four 380 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: crown VIC and some questions about the fuel pump. Steve, 381 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How can I help 382 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,200 Speaker 1: a lot of great information on your show? That's why 383 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 1: I listened to it. Thank you, sir. Um. I'm having 384 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: this two thousand crowns that he's got seventy eight thousand 385 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: miles on. It's not a former cop car anything like that, 386 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: as a retired lawyers car. They bought from a UM 387 00:19:58,320 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: in a state at any three thousand on it and 388 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,959 Speaker 1: it's been pretty much trouble free right up until the spring. 389 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: And now I'm having a starting issue with it. Where 390 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: you turn on the key. Here, the fuel pump come on, 391 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: the headlights come on. You go to crank at the 392 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: start and nothing happens. Are Sometimes the door locks will 393 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 1: pop up and down. Um. So I took up to 394 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: a shop. They cleaned the body grounds uh in the 395 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,440 Speaker 1: right kick panel. Ran a computer analysis and it says 396 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 1: the only ABS code was in there was battery voltage 397 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: low cleared the coast test drill of light did not 398 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: come back on. Since then, I've still had starting troubles. 399 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 1: And it's a digital dash and everything will go out. 400 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: They want how fast you're going, what the temperature is, 401 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: and what fuel you cut? The will anything and uh, 402 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: if anything at all is on when the left and 403 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 1: corner of that, you'll have traction off and ABS uh 404 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 1: in ABS morning. Um, but but it'll run. So far 405 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:04,199 Speaker 1: has continued to run. You know. We just made a 406 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,920 Speaker 1: trip up to the Samplin Islands for a fishing trip. 407 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:09,719 Speaker 1: The fishing was great up there by the way. On 408 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: the way back, uh, and it did this up there 409 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: while we're up there, wouldn't start, And this time I'm 410 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,200 Speaker 1: trying all kinds of stuff. So we're wiggling the key 411 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: and the light sun of dash came on and it 412 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: started up. Uh, and anyway, we got home with it. 413 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,480 Speaker 1: On the way home again, the digital dash went out, 414 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: but it continued to run. We pulled the boat all 415 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:34,919 Speaker 1: the way up and back with it. Um, but this 416 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: the starting thing and the digital dash thing is really 417 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: driving me crazy when it when it doesn't start, Steve, 418 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:45,240 Speaker 1: you know, let me explain it like this. You turn 419 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 1: the key to the on position, not crank it just 420 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: turned the key to the on position on a ford 421 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: product of this of this era, you'll here turn key 422 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: on you here, you'll get a two to five second 423 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 1: buzz out of the fuel pump, all right, and then 424 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: it shuts off because it doesn't see it doesn't see 425 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,760 Speaker 1: a crank or on RPM signal out of the out 426 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: of the out of the engine to the PCM. So 427 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: you know when it goes into this no start if 428 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: you and it doesn't happen every time you've got to 429 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, if it didn't start, you'd have to crank it, 430 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 1: turn the key off. I tell everybody count to ten, twelve, fifteen, 431 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 1: as as high as your education took you. You know, 432 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: see if you can get up that far and um, 433 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: you know, uh, then turn the key back on. You 434 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: should hear a buzz. If you don't hear a buzz, well, okay, 435 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: the fuel pumps not turning on. If the fuel pumps 436 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: not turning on, is it not turning on because there's 437 00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 1: a problem with the pump. Is the relay not being triggered. 438 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: Is the relay not being triggered because the PCM relay 439 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: is not being triggered? Alright? Because the way it works 440 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: on a ford is you turn the key on, it 441 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 1: sends a command out to the PCM relay. PCM relay 442 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: then wakes up. The PCM says, hey, get out of bed. 443 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: I got something for you to do. It in turn 444 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: also triggers the fuel pump relay. That's why you hear 445 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: the You hear the pump go, and then the pump goes. Okay, 446 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 1: let me see if the PCM keeps me going. Let's 447 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: see if it gets a crank signal and gives me 448 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:05,439 Speaker 1: the command. That's sort of the chain of command of 449 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: how this happens. All right, If you're telling me you 450 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:14,320 Speaker 1: wiggled the key and the dash lights flicker, did I 451 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 1: hear that right? I'm yeah, I'm getting pretty get pretty 452 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:23,280 Speaker 1: desperate with this thing, and but did you everything turning 453 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: the steering wheel, pushing the key in harder, you know, 454 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: to turn it? So are you trying to do the 455 00:23:28,760 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 1: work from now? I'm at the point where I'm like 456 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: trying to wiggle the key while I'm turning it. Do 457 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: you do you have a well, but do you have 458 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 1: a sense that wiggling the key is helping it to start? 459 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 1: Or turning the dash lights on? I think it did 460 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 1: that time. Okay, here's what I was, Here's what I 461 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,720 Speaker 1: want that right from the beginning, here's what I want 462 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: you to do. All right? What do you do? What 463 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 1: do you what do you do for a living? Steve, 464 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: I'm a retired truck driver. Um, you ever have to 465 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 1: fix the lights in the truck in the back of 466 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: the truck and pull over a ticket somewhere and out 467 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: of town and you had to, you know, work on 468 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 1: lights or something? Right you you? So you get electrical? 469 00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: Is my point? Um? An ignition switch has power in, 470 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: has power out? All right? And just to baseline this, 471 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: all right, you know, let's let's start at the ignition switch. 472 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 1: Go to your repair shop. Tell the guy to pull 473 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: out a wiring diagram. He's gonna see voltage in voltage out. 474 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: I want you to tap into those two wires using 475 00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: you can get out to an Oralioto Parts any local 476 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: Loto parts house and buy what we call side marker 477 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 1: bulb sockets. They would they they're just little bulb sockets 478 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 1: that hold one bulbs, all right, and I want you 479 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: to wire this into the ignition switch. Put one on 480 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 1: the power side of the ignition switch, one on the 481 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,120 Speaker 1: output side of the ignition switch. All right. Put two 482 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: different color bulbs. I would put a clear and an amber. 483 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: All right, the next time that car doesn't start. First 484 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: question I would ask you is if we were at 485 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: the shop, Hey, Steve, which was lit? If you say 486 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,359 Speaker 1: the amber and the amber was the input side to 487 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: the ignisition switch, then I'm gonna I'm bot. I'm gonna 488 00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: follow the circuit going that way. If you tell me 489 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: the amber was lit but the white one wasn't, that 490 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: tells me I've got a bad ignition switch. If you 491 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: tell me they're both lit, then I know the problem 492 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: is not the ignition switch. What you're doing is just 493 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: a fluke, and it's somewhere else up the line. It's 494 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,600 Speaker 1: a starting point, and it's a simple one. Okay, I'll 495 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 1: do that all right. Remember you're in Vermont, all right. 496 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: I love Vermont, great state, all right, home to Bob 497 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: Newhart and Stratford in Ya. But you know when when 498 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: when car manufacturers, right, those bulletins that start out with 499 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,679 Speaker 1: if your vehicle was purchased in a rust belt state, 500 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: it's usually a rust belt state, and Vermont like at 501 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: the top of the list, like you know, so so so, 502 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 1: grounds really become an issue there, um, And we want 503 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: to make sure of body down, chassis ground ground cleanliness. 504 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: You know it's it's a two thousand, it's almost twenty 505 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 1: years old. Quality of the wiring harness, all right, Um, 506 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 1: make sure the other thing. Tell your mechanic is as 507 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: silly as it sounds. By the battery coming off the 508 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: negative battery cable, there should be a ground pigtail that 509 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:23,560 Speaker 1: leads to chassis ground. If I remember this correctly, that 510 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: is the main boy. Let me tell you. You talk 511 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: about the fragility of potato chips on on the Atlantic 512 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:31,360 Speaker 1: Ocean and a paper sack, but that that ground strap 513 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: is the heart of the eek five uh ground signal 514 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 1: to the PCM. If that goes bad, you know, volta 515 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: drop doesn't go right, it's got a little bit of resistance. 516 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: That car is gonna be possessed. Oh yeah, okay, that 517 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: that sounds like what's going on that? So turn the 518 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: key and the doors are popping up and down right, 519 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: So let's you know, let's listen. I've seen them all, brother. 520 00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: Someday I'll tell you guys the story about the guy 521 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: who had the engine putting his Lincoln. True story, had 522 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:02,720 Speaker 1: his engine putting his link. And it was an EQUE 523 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: four car. It went through seven different shops that showed 524 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: up in my doorstep, and it took me a little while, 525 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: but I got it. The car was getting terrible gas 526 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: modsu with a brand new, fresh engine. When they put 527 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 1: the engine together, and I guess I'm telling the story. 528 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: When they put the engine together, they somehow managed to 529 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: put the right oxygen sensor lead to the left wiring 530 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: harness and the left oxygen center lead to the right 531 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: wiring harness. So the computer is reacting to O two 532 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 1: signal and it's working against itself, trying to make it 533 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: through the opposite of what it really needed to do 534 00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: because the wiring inputs the PCM, we're backwards. So you know, 535 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: I've seen it all, I've seen every possessed form until 536 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,360 Speaker 1: I see the next one, and then it's a whole 537 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,120 Speaker 1: another learning curve. So check that ground by the battery 538 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,919 Speaker 1: cable by the negative side, make sure it's absolutely positively 539 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,920 Speaker 1: and then I would also go through. And the next 540 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: thing you could do is we could talk about PCM 541 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: power and grounds at the PCM. Make sure they're good 542 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,800 Speaker 1: quality voltage signal and voltage dropped the ground at the 543 00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: PC and make sure it's you know, less than a 544 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: quarter volt or whatever spec is for that generation car. 545 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: Um that you're not in any issue there too, all right, sir, yes, sir, okay, 546 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: you take good care of Steve and UH have a 547 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 1: good time up there. In ver a month, you let 548 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 1: me know what happens a five five five six zero 549 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 1: nine zero zero ron the car Doctor. We're coming back 550 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,520 Speaker 1: right after this when the family car needs some fixing. 551 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: There's only two things that really matter, getting the right 552 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: part and getting some good advice. It's a pretty safe 553 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: bet that, with over a million parts in stock, pet 554 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: Boys has the right part right now. The pet Boys 555 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: pros are extensively trained to find the right part for 556 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: just about any car, truck. Better yet, these pros can 557 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: also handle the entire installation or service needed. It's always 558 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: good to have options and no the Pep Boys pros 559 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: have it covered either way. What's more fun than listening 560 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: to Ron and Ady and the car Doctor and getting 561 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: that car fixed? Right? Eight five five five six zero 562 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: nine zero zero. Give Ron a call now back to 563 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: raw clok them back here we go. Let's get over 564 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: and talk to Joe and Nino six Kia Sorrento training issue. Joe, 565 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 1: welcome to the car Doctor. Sure what's going on? They Ron? 566 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: That's Joe. Uh Well. I went to a concert over 567 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 1: in New Hampshire last weekend. On the way back it 568 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: seemed I went to hit the fuel pedal and it 569 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 1: the overdriving kicked in and I stopped at local place 570 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 1: and get fluid for the transmission puit little fluid and 571 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: figuring fluid with law hasn't come out of it and 572 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: seems to be when we go up hills, it's a 573 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: tacking around two grand it's talking about one is dropping 574 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 1: down to about five and I can't seem to be 575 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: on on dactation and I checked to I hold up 576 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: a chip to transmission and that was fine. It just 577 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: seems to be it goes up the hill. It seems 578 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: a shift like my nine five board Ranger and this 579 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: is automatic? So sorry, are you saying that it's let's 580 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: let's start from the basics, Joe, Um, you know, go 581 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,480 Speaker 1: to go to a stop sign, traffic light and pull 582 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: away slowly gradual acceleration. Does it go through the gears 583 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: for a second? Third? Fourth? Does it? You know? Do 584 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 1: you feel the car accelerate? Do you feel the shift points? 585 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: Does the tack rise and fall as the rpm rises 586 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: and falls as the gear shift changes? Will it go 587 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: through the gears? Really doesn't? When you take off slowly? 588 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: Did we attack it? Not attack where it should be? 589 00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: It's weird. It's automatic, but it has attacks. And does 590 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 1: the car feel like does the car feel like it's 591 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: slow on power? It seems to me shifting a lot 592 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 1: lower than it. But is it is it? Is it? 593 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: Is it low on power? If you went to accelerate, 594 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: does it feel like you know, it's a little sluggish? 595 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: All right? Dead stop? No? It has tent a power okay, 596 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: but yet you you don't see the trand you don't 597 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,520 Speaker 1: see the rpm change when it when you think it's 598 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: shifting gear? Right, I'm questioning. Also, you know how when 599 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: you step on the accelerator and it accelerates fast, this 600 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: one won't. Well that's what I'm asking if if it's sluggish, 601 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: like it has no power, like it has poor acceleration. Yeah, 602 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: does it feel like a tense speed bike and you're 603 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: stuck in the wrong gear trying to get uphill? All right? Um? Actually, 604 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: if he shift, if you can claude, but when you 605 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: want step on the fuel kind of hide, they just 606 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: won't kick in. It's you should be right, there's no kickdown. 607 00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: It sounds like and the clock is gonna take me Joe, 608 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 1: so I gotta be quick. It sounds like you're in limpin, 609 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: all right, that there's a fault in the trans and 610 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: and the trans is now reverting back to a fixed 611 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,560 Speaker 1: program of operations so that you don't get stuck. All right, 612 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 1: any dish any dashboard warning lights one? All right? Then 613 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, before you drive this much longer, a mechanics 614 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: gotta look at it. Somebody's gotta scan this and determine 615 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: just what exactly is going on, because you you could 616 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,160 Speaker 1: be making a smaller problem into a much bigger problem, 617 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: all right, And that yeah, um, you know if they're 618 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:36,400 Speaker 1: on they're on vacation last week, this week, this week coming. Yeah, 619 00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: it's but that's so I'm gonna call Monday and trying 620 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: to get in the right. So, but that's where I 621 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: think you're going. It sounds to me like you are 622 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: stuck in either second or third gear. It has limited 623 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,680 Speaker 1: range of operation and limited up shift down shift, and 624 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 1: I'm I'm concerned that you're you're going to hurt something 625 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: if we continue to drive it. So I have it 626 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,840 Speaker 1: hasn't weird sick shifts that you can shove it over 627 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 1: and do it manually, right. I have gone through that manually, 628 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: and that seems to be shifting to the gears properly, right. 629 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: It accelerates better when you do that, right, Yeah, because 630 00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: you're you're manually overriding the trans Okay, So it's pretty 631 00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:27,320 Speaker 1: much the Well it could be. It could be the 632 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: way the computer is commanding it. It could be something 633 00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: mechanical in the transit preventing the computer from commanding it correctly. 634 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,040 Speaker 1: It could be a failed solioid in the trans it, 635 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,480 Speaker 1: could be a problem with the overdrive power relay. I mean, 636 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,480 Speaker 1: there's there's a half a dozen things to be looked 637 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: at you know versus the what ifs. So again we're 638 00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: back to it's got to get you know, it's got 639 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: to go to a mechanic, let him diagnose it and um, 640 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: you know, then then consider your move carefully. From there, 641 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: I gotta go, Joe m up against the clock. Call 642 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: me back next week with more information zero running. Any 643 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: of the Card Doctor will return right after this. Welcome 644 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: back on in any of the Car Doctor podcasting at 645 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 1: Car Doctor show dot com. The Real Fact Sure Trick 646 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,200 Speaker 1: fix of the Week this week from the folks over 647 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:18,560 Speaker 1: at Mitchell is about a shaking shifter and it starts 648 00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: out by saying nobody likes annoying vibrations in their car 649 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: and they can be hard to diagnose. This real fix 650 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: shows a transmission vibration was diagnosed and repaired on this 651 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: Cadillac the Ville. It was a two thousand two Cadillac 652 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,359 Speaker 1: the Ville. The transmission vibrated, and the way they went 653 00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:32,839 Speaker 1: about this was they confirmed the complaint. You always gotta 654 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: confirm complaints when you're dealing with any sort of diagnostic 655 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 1: routine in a car or anything. Even Life Right performed 656 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: the visual inspection of the trans fluid. It was clean 657 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: and proper level. They used the scan tool. They looked 658 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: at live data by accelerating the highway speeds and maintaining 659 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: vehicle speed. They disengaged the torqu converter and observed the 660 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: torqu converter clutch parameter. Listening to the technicality here found 661 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: the torqu inverter clutch slip was erratic. They ended up 662 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 1: disconnecting the trans They looked at the torqu converter itself 663 00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,400 Speaker 1: so that it was blued and overheated. The determined that 664 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: the converter itself was bad, put it together, cleared the codes, 665 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,520 Speaker 1: change the fluid and all was fixed. All from the 666 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: folks at Mitchell. This is on their website. More information 667 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,959 Speaker 1: at Mitchell one dot com. You know, we talk about 668 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,640 Speaker 1: technology and the simple things and how sometimes it's the 669 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 1: simplest things help you the most. And snap On, uh, 670 00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: you know, snap On is the parent company of Mitchell, 671 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,239 Speaker 1: actually I believe, and they work hand in hand to 672 00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: bring some great product to market. I purchased a set 673 00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,239 Speaker 1: of what snap On calls flank drive extra sockets this week. 674 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: And you look at it and it looks like a 675 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: standard sockets. You know, it's traditional eight through nineteen millimeter 676 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: I think shallow and deep and you look at you go, yeah, 677 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: it's just a ten millimeter socket, or it's just a 678 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,160 Speaker 1: thirteen millimeter socket. But the what they do is they 679 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,439 Speaker 1: actually take the walls of the socket and they make 680 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,719 Speaker 1: it like a wedge so that it tapers in the 681 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 1: further in the bolt goes, and it's made to a 682 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: more precise standard as I understand it, so'll grip the 683 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 1: head of a rounded out bolt. I had a late 684 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: model Cadillact Devil. I had to put wheel bearings in 685 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: and GM only gives you a short height bolt on threads, 686 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,840 Speaker 1: so a traditional sockets a little slop you'll just spin 687 00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,000 Speaker 1: right off and strip out. That's what was happening to me. 688 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:13,640 Speaker 1: I reached my flank drive extras, put it on, got 689 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: the bolt out, got the bolt back in when I 690 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: put the wheel bearing in. The nice thing was that 691 00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,120 Speaker 1: interviews a turbo socket beat up the head of the 692 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,160 Speaker 1: bolt and it saved me a lot of time and 693 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: money and aggravation not having to go hunting and digging 694 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: something out. So sometimes technology as simplest socket design, it 695 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,720 Speaker 1: really helps. And thanks for the folks over at snap 696 00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 1: On as well. I'm not any in the car doctor. 697 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:40,160 Speaker 1: The mechanics aren't expensive. Their prices