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I'm the NBA analysts for 10 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: they S Network, and I'm hosting a new podcast called 11 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: NBA Flashback. NBA Flashback takes you back to the best 12 00:00:40,920 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: moments in NBA history through exclusive archival audio from the 13 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: NBA vault, and each week we'll have new interviews with 14 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: the legends who were actually on the court. Check out 15 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: NBA Flashback on the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 16 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcast. My next guest is 17 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:05,200 Speaker 1: Todd Delaney. He is a Grammy nominator, Stella Award winning 18 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: recording artists, songwriter, producer, and worship leader and former baseball player. 19 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 1: Is really key. In his interview, he was focused on 20 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:14,240 Speaker 1: pursuing a baseball career, and at the age of eighteen, 21 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: he was drafted by the New York Mets. While pursuing baseball, 22 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: he realized there was a higher calling upon his life, 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: and to the surprise of many, he left the sports 24 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: world behind to pursue a career as a gospel recording artist. 25 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: Todd Delaney has delivered some of the biggest worship anthems 26 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: of the past decade, with number one singles You're Doing It, 27 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:37,280 Speaker 1: You're Doing It All Again, Your Great Name psaw eighteen 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 1: number one gospel albums such as Your Great Name and 29 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: The Worship's Heart. He's revered as one of the influences 30 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:46,320 Speaker 1: of the next generation of gospel music. Please work with 31 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: the money making conversation Todd Delaney, Hey dor, sir, oh man, 32 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm doing wonderful man. Thanks for having me. First of all, 33 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 1: I had a lot to say about you. You know, 34 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: your success. You know y'all there there running around that 35 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: diamond as they call the baseball field. You got that 36 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: camp on looking like a young King Griffith Jr. Because 37 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: I have to believe that was your dream at first, right, absolutely, man, 38 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,519 Speaker 1: I mean, the thing was the goal was to get 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: to a bunch of millions of dollars. Man, that was 40 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: that was the goal. When I was a kid growing 41 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: up in the hood, I said, if I could just 42 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: get to the bag, um, that's all that matters. But 43 00:02:21,520 --> 00:02:23,720 Speaker 1: I realized that I had a little bit more to 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,119 Speaker 1: offer than just going after the bag, and I think 45 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,959 Speaker 1: I wanted to take that route so I can try 46 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: to impact the world in a more positive way than 47 00:02:30,639 --> 00:02:33,080 Speaker 1: you just come into a stadium and watching me play. Well, 48 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: you know, it's really when you make these decisions, especially 49 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,800 Speaker 1: at a young age. You know I was, you know, 50 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: because you really determine your future. I always tell people 51 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: decisions you make between eighteen and twenty four are really 52 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 1: the career decisions that how you gonna make your money 53 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: when you and sixty and so you made a decision 54 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: that because obviously to be drafted by the match there's 55 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: a considerable scouting that goes into that, and they don't 56 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: just draft people just for fun. They drafted they feel 57 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: they could nurture their talents and build upon that. Talk 58 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: about the experience of being drafted at that point and 59 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: then we're gonna go through the whole process of maturing 60 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: to the point that you made a decision that that 61 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: wasn't the direction for you. Yeah, so so bro. The 62 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: biggest thing about the whole draft process is that you 63 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: gotta think about everybody in your family that puts so 64 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: much into you your development. Like my mom and dad 65 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: spent so much money on me playing and travel in 66 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: the world. So for them, this was the biggest thing 67 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: that could possibly ever happen. And for me too, you 68 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like when I start seeing the 69 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: scouts were coming to the game and they were talking 70 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: to my parents, they would pull my parents to the 71 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,320 Speaker 1: side and say, man, we think your son can play 72 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: at the next level. My parents would in turn take 73 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:47,119 Speaker 1: me home and tell me we talked to the Pittsburgh 74 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: Pirates today. We talked to the Cubs today. We talked 75 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: And so at that point I I was, hey, I'm 76 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: all in. I said, okay, you mean I can go 77 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: get the bag, no more school. You mean, what what? What? 78 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: What does my future look like? And so Um, at 79 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 1: that point, when they started talking like that, my mind 80 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 1: started changing because I started seeing my future in a 81 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,680 Speaker 1: different way. Um. And then UM, I never imagined stepping 82 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: away to do nothing else, especially singing gospel music at 83 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: that because in gospel music that's not really a lucrative 84 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: lucrative business. That's that's more of a you know, commitment 85 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 1: as far as your your faith in what you believe 86 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 1: and how you're motivated move people. Now the whole process, Now, 87 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: what position did you play? I want to make sure 88 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: that everybody hears the second Bai Jose tu V all 89 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: the great second base was out there, Ryan Seinberg, all 90 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:37,279 Speaker 1: that that throwing that double play, you know, make that spinning. 91 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: So I stopped throwing it down. So what was your best? 92 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:43,600 Speaker 1: You know? Never man, Look I did first of all, 93 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,320 Speaker 1: I did my research on your too. So you know, 94 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: in terms of afmations, you're just telling me so at 95 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: the general public know about your skills and because because 96 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: when people make these decisions like fishing up my my 97 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: degrees in mathematics, you know, when you work for IBM. 98 00:04:57,880 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: And then it came point in my life i'd be 99 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: wasn't the journey I wanted? And I wanted to be 100 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 1: a stand up comic, you know, And I know when 101 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: I was making that decision, Todd, it was difficult for 102 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: me because I knew, just like you said, a lot 103 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: of people have invested energy and was excited and working. 104 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,600 Speaker 1: I come from the inner city and and being at way, 105 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: I've worked for a fortune five company IBM, and and 106 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: so that that's what that's what you said. Next day 107 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: step for that was just to getting married has with kids. 108 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: That's that's the true you know what I'm saying. And 109 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: so when when I made that decision, and I always 110 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: tell people, I made it a year in advance when 111 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 1: I you know, and I when I when I was 112 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: sitting at home and I was in tears because I 113 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,559 Speaker 1: knew it was such a difficult decision for me, because 114 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: I know the decisions that I make also impacts others, 115 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: and so I know it wasn't an easy decision. That's 116 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: why I wanted to bring my experience into your experience, 117 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 1: so you know that I share a point of view 118 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: and the emotion. And I wasn't trying. I wasn't thinking 119 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: about millions of dollars. Oh. I saw Eddie Murphy out there, 120 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: I saw Richard Pryor out there. I saw all those 121 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: guys out there, But I didn't I just saw an 122 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 1: opportunity to say this is what I wanted to do. 123 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: But you know, the beauty of it is that there's 124 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: no game plan as in baseball, there's a game plan. 125 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 1: You start here, you go to this next level, you 126 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: get to this next level, you make the major leagues. 127 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: But to be a gospel artists, there's no plan, so 128 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: talk about that. So, you know, the crazy thing is, 129 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: I think I went in blind, like I would. I 130 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 1: didn't know what the future held. I didn't, you know, 131 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 1: I wasn't smart enough. I don't think to really have 132 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: gather all of my thoughts. I just knew I was 133 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: following my heart. Because if I could do it all 134 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 1: over again, now that I actually have a greater insight 135 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 1: into business and everything, I don't think I would have 136 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: jumped the way I did. And I'm kind of, you know, 137 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: I'm grateful that I wouldn't just you know, I guess smart, 138 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: because I would have held on to what I knew 139 00:07:00,400 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: was sure. And what was sure at that time was 140 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: that you could make a lot of money playing baseball, 141 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: and so that transition for me. Um, I jumped blind 142 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: because I was so excited about the fact that I 143 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: could make impact sharing this new faith, this new thing 144 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: that I had because I didn't, you know, I didn't 145 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: grow up churchy. I grew up straight, like, let's get 146 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: it let's get out to the clubs, let's fight a 147 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: little bit, let's do all of that. I grew up 148 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: like that, so when I came into this knowledge of 149 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: the Bible and the relationship with God, that was really 150 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: the thing that kind of grabbed me because I said, Dad, 151 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: there's a whole another way I can think, live and 152 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: do my life. And that was the thing that kind 153 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: of made me make the transition. Not my parents, they 154 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: were Bible people too, when they were like, hold on, 155 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: hold on this, this might not be God like what 156 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: you you you need to go back and play baseball 157 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: that that you know, keep doing what you're doing. And 158 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: I said, no, Mom, I didn't found something that that 159 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: I believe. It's just the world. And thankfully I held 160 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: to my guns. Well, you know, it's really interesting that 161 00:07:57,520 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: that's what I said in the beginning. I always leave 162 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,640 Speaker 1: with your gifts. Don't let your age, friends, family, or 163 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: co workers stop you from planning or living your dream. 164 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: And that's where you were at that point. How old 165 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:12,320 Speaker 1: we get that, Todd? And he was at twenty three 166 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: And like I said, uh, I made the decision based 167 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 1: on twenty three to twenty three, and I left. I 168 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: left IBM and I'm gonna tell you some man. Uh, 169 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 1: I had an idea of what I knew. First of all, 170 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: I had the talent. You know that you had the talent, 171 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: so we we couldn't walk away from that. So when 172 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: people when you start making that decision, Todd, nobody could say, well, 173 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: you know, he's about to jump out to Kitty's kitty 174 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 1: kit he see, can't he benfall get right? Well? Nobody 175 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:47,640 Speaker 1: question of that. But they were so directional about what 176 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: you should be doing. Who had the biggest pushback on that? 177 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: What was it? Your friends with your family? Because I 178 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: know Mom, Jason Man, I told my friends. They go, 179 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: really you're leaving IBM to tell Joe and then they 180 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: went and then they went there. This is when they 181 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: went on me, how you gonna make money? And I'm 182 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: gonna tell you this right here, Tom, I could not 183 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: tell them how I was gonna make money. And I 184 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: had a house. I just bought a house. Like you said, 185 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: maybe said jump out there with bad decisions. If I 186 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:18,880 Speaker 1: didn't do it all again, I probably wasn't state that 187 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,320 Speaker 1: I be because I just bought a house. I bought 188 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: a call and I said me, I gotta get out 189 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,480 Speaker 1: of this so it wasn't It was more faith. It 190 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: was more I had a plan, but the plan wasn't met. 191 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: I believe in me. So let's talk about that process, 192 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 1: because I really want to slow people down because a 193 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: lot of people listening to the show, they're sitting around debating. 194 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: They leaving their their husbands stopped them, and they letting 195 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 1: the relationship stop them. Someone even letting their kids stop them, 196 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: and so. But you can only stop yourself, and you 197 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: can only start yourself. Talk to us, sir, that's right. Yeah, 198 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: it was my My old man gave me the most pushback, 199 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: my father because I mean he was so we were 200 00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: so close to what they thought. It was the greatest 201 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: thing that I could ever do. And and um, the 202 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: craziest thing about how much we put so much emphasis on, 203 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, sports in America, Like if you make it 204 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 1: to the top of the sports, they think that's the 205 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: greatest thing. But for me, impact, impact was the was 206 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: the greatest thing. I said, Man, how can I impact 207 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 1: the world now? Now now that I'm in this thing 208 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: all the way over here. Um, I'm in my mind, 209 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'll make more money on this side than 210 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: I ever could have imagined. Because I never did it 211 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: for the money, you know what I'm saying. I did 212 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 1: it because I knew that I wanted to be an 213 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: impact or of of the world in a positive direction. 214 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: And so, um, you know, I mean, I say that 215 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 1: just to say the people that are watching it, don't 216 00:10:42,679 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 1: ever chase the dollar, you know what I'm saying. It's 217 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: not that it's not the dollar, chase the impact. How 218 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: can you make an impact on other people's lives and 219 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 1: the money will chase you? And so I'm in a really, really, 220 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: really beautiful place right now. 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Well, you know 264 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: it really is uh, you know, because he saw he 265 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: would you live in his dream, and I cannot fault 266 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:25,320 Speaker 1: him for that. He was called up, and I guess 267 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,800 Speaker 1: that's the propertory. He was caught up. He was called up, 268 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: my boy because he can explain that to his other boys. 269 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:34,599 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, My boy New York and 270 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: my boy All Star, My boy hit a home run, 271 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,199 Speaker 1: my boss stole a base, My boy singing gospel. That's 272 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: a different car. That's a different car to stream conversation. 273 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:46,200 Speaker 1: Was that's different cult the stream conversation time. So I 274 00:13:46,280 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: know where he's coming from, Okay. But the beauty of 275 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,240 Speaker 1: it is that what I'm trying to tell everybody in 276 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: this interview of doing which isn't Brillier Grammy nominative Della 277 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: war winning Recorded Artists, saw Writer producer worshiply because you're 278 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 1: leading worship right here on my show right now, because 279 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: the worship is tied to inspiration, and inspiration is tied 280 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: to overcome. And what I feel is doubt. And you 281 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:08,719 Speaker 1: said something very important, and people always ask me, I 282 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,520 Speaker 1: would tell people I don't chase money. I chase opportunity. 283 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: I chance relationships. I changed because if I have the 284 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: right relationship, I'm gonna get paid. But if you go 285 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: into a situation, and let's clear us up, team, when 286 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 1: we talk like this, in order to start up, if 287 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: your entrepreneur, if you out there, you better have a budget, 288 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: you better I understand how you We're talking about individuals 289 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 1: who will walk away from a job and have a 290 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: God given talent. And that's what I had at a 291 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: guard given to talent as a stand up comedian. You 292 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 1: have a god given talent as a gospel singer, arranger, 293 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 1: music leader, And that's a different conversation. You don't have 294 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: a budget tied to that, you know what I'm saying. 295 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: You don't have a budget tied to that. Now, if 296 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: you try to open up your next dunkin Done Us 297 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: or next uh I t store, you better have a 298 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 1: budget and a plan and hopefully have some money in 299 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: the bank. But I always tell people I can stay 300 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: on the corner tod and tell jokes and make money. Okay, 301 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 1: just like you. If you really, if we got ugly 302 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: out there, brother, you can hit the car, start praising 303 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 1: the law and they're gonna be all good. Am I right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 304 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: we did a couple of dollars on the corner. Man. 305 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: Come on and now now now, now were Now we're 306 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 1: turning the corner man. You you you made the commitment. 307 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: I'm getting out of here, but there's still no plan 308 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: in place. How do you start sowing the seeds of 309 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: the opportunity to pursue your dream, your dream after leaving baseball. 310 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 1: So after leaving baseball, I think the greatest connection that 311 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 1: I made was with a guy, Grammy Award winners names 312 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: pastor Smoky northorl that's my boy. I did thirteen. I 313 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: produced thirteen Celebration of Gospel BT, so I know snark 314 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 1: snark all right, yeah smoking. He took me under his 315 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: wing man. And that was the relationship that kind of 316 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: gave me a real visual of the fact that, man, 317 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: I see a guy that Swaggy, got a family, got kids, 318 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: he's singing in the gospel. I can relate. And I said, 319 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: I would like to live a life like his, one 320 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: that is dedicated to his faith. But it still looks cool. 321 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: He made it look good, you know, sit on the piano, 322 00:16:16,800 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: sing song, and I said, I can do this, like 323 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: I could really do it. And he taught me the business, 324 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: taught me the game, taught me, taught me how to 325 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: study the Bible, taught me how to write songs on 326 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 1: the level where it's like, hey, I was listening to somebody. 327 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: It was almost equivalent to talking to a Major League 328 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: Baseball player that was an All star. Hey, this is 329 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: how you put in work to get to where you 330 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,240 Speaker 1: want to be. This is how you write songs that 331 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: will be nominated for Grammars. And he gave me the 332 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: blueprint and um, that was when the corner began to 333 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: turn then, because I started to see I said, hey, 334 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: if he can do it, then I can do it. 335 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: He would tell me things like, bro, you're gonna be 336 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: You're gonna go farther than me. And I used to 337 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: be like, dude, you're you're a beast. How am I 338 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: gonna go farther than you? And he was like no, 339 00:16:57,400 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: He's like, it only makes sense you go farther than 340 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: me because I'm actually teaching you the game before I 341 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 1: ever knew it. And so um and he's sure enough, 342 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,719 Speaker 1: he's still my mentor to this day and that but 343 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 1: that was the that was the pivotal move in my life. Well, 344 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: you know when Steve Harving, because Steve was a hosting 345 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 1: that I was producing, uh, writing the monologues and everything 346 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: for Celebration the Gospel for thirteen years we did it. 347 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: And uh that allowed me to you know, entry way 348 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:29,760 Speaker 1: into a lot of incredible people like smokey Um Uh, 349 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: like Kurk Franklin, that's my boy. You at him just 350 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: just you know, just to go down to the dudes, 351 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: go down Mary and marry everybody. Yeah, and that process 352 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: I learned that there was a shift in the gospel, 353 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: you know, especially with Steve Harvey hosts and that was 354 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: a comedian who did their comedy jam. You know, because 355 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,159 Speaker 1: gospel has always been sometimes too churchy. You know, you 356 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: can't it's not Gospel could sometimes be uninviting, even though 357 00:17:56,200 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: you know, even though it's God. So it could be 358 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: like you you you come talk to God the way 359 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,879 Speaker 1: I want you to come talk to God. Now, if 360 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:06,160 Speaker 1: you don't talk to God the way, ah, we don't 361 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 1: hear you. We an't hear it in my way. When 362 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: I'm saying that time, yes, yes, talk to us about 363 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: that minute. Because you got you got that swag. I'm 364 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: telling some man, I look at it, brilling, smile. I 365 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,400 Speaker 1: talked to Molly Music. That's my boy Green, that's my boy. 366 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: So so I'm not I'm not a person who's who's 367 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: who's just stepping into a interview with you because you're 368 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: popular and you're successful or not and you're not you're 369 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: in the family not you know, you know, money may 370 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 1: comes says family because all of them come on my show. 371 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: And when we come on the show, we talked like 372 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: this because it's about your inspiration, it's your journey and 373 00:18:44,600 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: more importantly, sometimes people will restrict your journey even though 374 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: you're trying to accomplish the same goal. And that's where 375 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: I run into trouble when when we come into gospel, 376 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: because we're all trying to uplift, we're trying all trying 377 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 1: to make people feel good, but some people want you 378 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: to do it in the way. How has that motivate you? 379 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: And how has that disappointed you? Attacks? Oh man, look 380 00:19:06,280 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: you lead me. You lead me to a place where 381 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna say too much, but I I don't care, 382 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: because um I heard I heard it say it like 383 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: this your cat and told me one time, he said 384 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,439 Speaker 1: the goal is to break into the gospel music industry 385 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: and then to break out. And I couldn't understand it, 386 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, because I said, well, why 387 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:28,679 Speaker 1: would you want to break out? You know? He said no, 388 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 1: he said, he says, because when you break in, people 389 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: will try to keep you bound on the end, they'll 390 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: try to make you do everything like they want you 391 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:38,320 Speaker 1: to do it and then have to break out of 392 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,439 Speaker 1: that and become your own man and god man. And 393 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm at that place right now, like I've enjoyed what 394 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: I've been able to accomplish here. But I don't want 395 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: to be owned by anybody. I don't want to. I 396 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 1: don't wanna. I don't want to do or be dictated 397 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: to do anything by anybody's systems or standards. Man, I'm 398 00:19:57,800 --> 00:20:00,600 Speaker 1: trying to make my own mark in this world. I'm 399 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: trying to create my own system in this world so that, um, 400 00:20:04,280 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: nobody can put a cap on how much money I 401 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: can make, how many souls I can win, what kind 402 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,960 Speaker 1: of music I produced. Like that's that's just I've always 403 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: been like that. I've always been a little bit of 404 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: a rebel um. Even when when people will say, man, 405 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: you're stupid for walking away from baseball, I didn't care. 406 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: I knew I could do it because I knew what 407 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: was on the inside of me. And so you're talking 408 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: my language like this, this right here is probably what's 409 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: on the forefront of my mind every day when I 410 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: wake up in the morning. It's like, how do I 411 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: create a system that will allow me to dominate? Aside 412 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: from what everybody else is telling me that it is 413 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: the norm and that I have to do in order 414 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 1: for me to dominate in this world, I just don't 415 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 1: believe it. I don't believe it's anything that I have 416 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: to do, I believe I can do it however I 417 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: want to. I can create my own recipe. And so 418 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: that's what we're doing right now. And we're live here 419 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: outside the Perez family home, just waiting for them. And 420 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: there they go, almost done time. This morning. Mom is 421 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: coming out the front door strong with a double arm 422 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: kid carry. Looks like Dad has the bags. Daughter is 423 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:09,120 Speaker 1: bringing up the rear. Oh but the diaper bag wasn't closed. 424 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: Diapers and toys are everywhere. Oh but mom has just 425 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: nailed the perfect car seat buckle for the toddler. And 426 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: now the eldest daughter, who looks to be about nine 427 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: or ten, has secured herself in the booster seat. Dad 428 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,880 Speaker 1: zips the bad clothes and they're off. Ah, but looks 429 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,199 Speaker 1: like Mom doesn't realize her coffee cup is still on 430 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: the roof of the car, and there it goes. That's 431 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: a shame that mug was a fan favorite. Don't sweat 432 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: the small stuff. Just nailed the big stuff, like making 433 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,160 Speaker 1: sure your kids are buckled correctly in the right seat 434 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: for their agent's eyes. Learn more n h T s 435 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,600 Speaker 1: a dot gov slash the right Seat visits h s 436 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 1: a dot gov slash the right Seat brought to you 437 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 1: by Mitza and the AD Council. If I could be 438 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: you and you could be me for just one hour, 439 00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: if you could find a way to get inside each 440 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:02,439 Speaker 1: other's mind. A mile in my shoes, wacome mile in 441 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:07,480 Speaker 1: my shoes shoes. We've all felt left out, and for 442 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: some that feeling lasts more than a moment. We can 443 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: change that. Learn how it belonging begins with us. Dot 444 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: org brought to you by the AD Council. Welcome out 445 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: in machines. Look at your children's eyes to see the 446 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: true magic of a forest. It's a storybook world for them. 447 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: You look and see a tree. They see the wrinkled 448 00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: face of a wizard with arms outstretched to the sky. 449 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 1: They see treasure and pebbles, They see a windy path 450 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: that could lead to adventure, and they see you. They're fearless. Guide. 451 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: Is this fascinating world? Find a forest near you and 452 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: start exploring and discover the forest. Dot org brought to 453 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: you by the United States Forest Service and the AD Council. 454 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: We're don't to Delaney when we are sitting up there 455 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 1: talking and and I see the fore name because you 456 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: need to be recognized for your success. She there's a 457 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:01,119 Speaker 1: lot of tids out there. But when one time de 458 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: Laney and and when you when you you know, you're 459 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 1: a grinder. I can tell you right the ground. And 460 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:09,359 Speaker 1: sometimes grinders are like me, you don't you move, you 461 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: move on to the next project. And sometimes you gotta 462 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: be reminded how special you are. And your number one 463 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: gospel album, your great name, you know, when you know, 464 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 1: when you started moving, when it started impact and we 465 00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: just started streaming sales and views. And tell me about that, man, 466 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 1: tell meybody, tell me, tell me about that. First of 467 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: all you and then the family and then you the 468 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: big smile man. So so that that that whole moment 469 00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: in time, that momentum that took off right there with 470 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:47,239 Speaker 1: your Great name. Um, it was global for one. So 471 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: it was like we we spent a lot of time 472 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,959 Speaker 1: in the Motherland, time in South South America, we spent time. 473 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: I went to India, So it was it was just 474 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: always going. But to the greatest thing about it was 475 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,719 Speaker 1: to see the way people were influenced by you, man 476 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: like and I'm talking about on another side of the world. 477 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: It's one thing man to to to talk like, talk 478 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: English to people and see your own people being impacted 479 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: by your music. But to go to another side of 480 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: the world where people who hardly even speak the same 481 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 1: language you and they say, we listened to your music, 482 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: we watch your videos on YouTube. We're encouraged by you. 483 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: That thing will leave tears in your Like. So my 484 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: wife and I in the band, we traveled the world 485 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:30,480 Speaker 1: and now your great name moment. We were just touring 486 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: the world and crying, bro like we were. We couldn't 487 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: believe that the world was singing these songs and that 488 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 1: the world was impacted. Like we did a concert in Uganda, 489 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: Seventy five thousand people showed up three nights in a row. 490 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,399 Speaker 1: Like I was like, I'm like at this point, like, God, 491 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: what else are you gonna show me? Like, because I'm 492 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: just a little all I could think was I was 493 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: just a young guy from the West side of Chicago. 494 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know I didn't even know people over there 495 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: on the other side of the world, we're even listening. 496 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:02,879 Speaker 1: And so that's the turn. The concert out there and 497 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,160 Speaker 1: the lightening up flashlights and stuff like that. All those people, 498 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: I think, can't you see the back of the road 499 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: You can't even see the numb. And that's that's the 500 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: beauty of you. Now know the new album Anthems and Glory, 501 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: you know the jamb out uh this body music. You know, 502 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: you're leading listeners literally back to the scriptures for hope, conference, answers, instructure, 503 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: because I need instructures and I need hope, and I 504 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: need I need prayer. I need all those things. Sometimes 505 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:32,360 Speaker 1: I may be a denial about it, I'm gonna tell 506 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,879 Speaker 1: you right now, but that doesn't mean I don't need it. 507 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: So how do you how do you make sure that 508 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: those layers and seven tracks on this album? Yeah? Why 509 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 1: did you do it? And why is it impacting a 510 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 1: person like me? Man I? I um, okay, well I 511 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 1: remember this thing. There was there was something done a 512 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: few years back by all the celebrities a lot of them, 513 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: um called the Bible Stories. They did a CD where 514 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: they were all using their voices and they were, you know, 515 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: replaying the Bible. And at that moment I kind of 516 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: got the idea then that there's one book in the 517 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,919 Speaker 1: Bible that will never stop selling to the people, and 518 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: that's the Bible. The Bible is always probably the number 519 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: one selling book every year, and so um, I figured, 520 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: I said, you can't go wrong when you give people 521 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: the Bible, the word of God, and then it kind 522 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: of takes you out of the way because there's so 523 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 1: much disagreement about what the scriptures say this that another, 524 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 1: I know that I can take my own emotion and 525 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: opinion out of the way when I just give people 526 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: the words, sing them the word, and so they can 527 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: turn to it. Rather it's like, hey, you know what, Um, 528 00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: he's taken kind of his own influence out of the 529 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: music and he's given us just straight Bible for people 530 00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: that don't like to read too much. I got you faded. 531 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 1: We we put it in music so you could just 532 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: turn it on and let it hit your spirit. Now. 533 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: You know, the thing about it is that one thing 534 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: I was typical ever since I was eighteen years old, 535 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: I've always been uplifting. When I look back at my life, Yeah, 536 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 1: I looked at I've been the same guy when I 537 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: was a t You know, I'm students who are struggling 538 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: in college. I I found out why they were struggling 539 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: and trying to help them move forward. You know, you can, 540 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: but then you can only help people so much. But again, 541 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: there you are there to uplift the same thing with you. 542 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: You know, you're not only delivering great music and great 543 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: content with your albums and your your success story, but 544 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: also you're having to emerge in the artists and trying 545 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: to get their songs out there, get their songs produced 546 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,159 Speaker 1: with your production company. Talk to us about that and 547 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: why is that important to you? Man? We're saying this, 548 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 1: this probably the best idea that God ever ever gave 549 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: me before Manum a subscription based production company. I know, 550 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 1: the production sometimes people pay UM or they try to. 551 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: They pay so much money to record UM albums, you know, 552 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: not like you can get up to in gospel means 553 00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: you can get up to fifty to a hundred thousand 554 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: dollars depending on what kind of budget you're working with. UM. 555 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: So what my team and I we came up with 556 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: was a subscription model where people just pay a flat 557 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: for your fifteen hundred dollars a month to up to 558 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: four songs and production, and then they walk away owning 559 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,680 Speaker 1: the masters. And so um we we have seen I mean, 560 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: what what I thought was gonna be like a little 561 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: small company launch um we We right away started with 562 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 1: over five hundred subscribers that um that immediately said hey, 563 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 1: we want help producing our music. And so um, now 564 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,359 Speaker 1: we got producers all over the world to sit at 565 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 1: home and wait for us to give them the greenlight 566 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: to start producing on a ton of projects. And like 567 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: I said, it just gives people a chance to kind 568 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: of even the playing field because sometimes, like you say, 569 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: whether it's gospel music or any music in the entertainment industry, 570 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: it kind of can feel like a fraternity that people 571 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,000 Speaker 1: cannot get into. And so I wanted to open the 572 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: door for everybody so they can try to get in. 573 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,040 Speaker 1: At least you have a chance to have some product. Well, 574 00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: you know, his new album is Anthems and Glorious seventeen songs, 575 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: is live. I love live. I love it. It's not 576 00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: because you know it live. You play with a song 577 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 1: a little bit more, okay, you know. So you know 578 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: about all time grade and live album was Franky Beverly 579 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: Amazed in New Orleans. So come on that, uh and 580 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: and uh Marvin Gate live in London my all time favorite. 581 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: Come on Old School on School, but I got some 582 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: new school y'all, A something t songs. Baby, he got 583 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: my girl tabler Man on that, my boy smoking Doorville 584 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: here and sheer. Oh. Man, these people have been on 585 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: my show. They've talked to me. I've hugged him that 586 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: I've been blessed by them. More important, I'm being blessed 587 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: by you with this great interview. Man, you you're your friend, 588 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: young brother. In fact, you're you're a little brother. Welcome 589 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: to my world. Okay, yes, indeed, thank you, my brother. 590 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: And we gonna keep promoting man. Put you on social 591 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: media and my newsletter and do what I do my part, 592 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 1: do my part talk. I'm gonna do my part. Okay, Man, 593 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Cool. I want to thank you 594 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 1: for coming on Money Making Conversations. 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