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Speaker 1: Now everyone go introduce yourself and say your favorite thing

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Speaker 1: about the Complete Guide The Hunting, Butchering and Cooking Wild Game,

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Speaker 1: Volumes one and two. A lot of people don't realize

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Speaker 1: what's your problem. I don't want to start. You're you're

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Speaker 1: worried about that? Well, yeah, because that's like how you

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Speaker 1: a lot of people when you know these books exist,

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Speaker 1: but lifetimes lifetime's worth of information Kevin Murphy's in the book,

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Speaker 1: tell your favorite thing about the guidebooks. Wait, hold on,

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Speaker 1: Murphy's in it. Kevin Murphy is, in my opinion, who's

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Speaker 1: encumbered by the need to go shoot things with big

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Speaker 1: I'd be curious that we had the hen decoy, like

427
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: maybe it would have been different, maybe it wouldn't have

428
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, but um, yeah, that was a bummer.

429
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: But it was so exciting to see them because all morning,

430
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: like we had heard turkeys off in this sense, and

431
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: then we didn't hear anything. And I don't know, Like personally,

432
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 1: I realized, I think the more I like hunt with

433
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,239
Speaker 1: other people, sometimes I have a tendency to, like, in

434
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: my mind, blame them for things that go wrong. I

435
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,399
Speaker 1: wanted to go over here, and you wanted to go

436
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,600
Speaker 1: over here. It's fault. But when I had by myself,

437
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,479
Speaker 1: obviously it's like all my fault and there's no one

438
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: else to blame. But when I with someone else, so

439
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,400
Speaker 1: I often just like sit there stewing, like we could

440
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: have done you know, we could have done this. My brother,

441
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 1: Matt talks about that a lot because he hunts more

442
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 1: and more and more, he hunts more alone, you know,

443
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: as he gets older and the loneliness kills him because

444
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,479
Speaker 1: he has long periods of time, the loneliness kills him.

445
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: Body doesn't um. He doesn't like that, like that were

446
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 1: this sort of gentlemanly way where you try, what do

447
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: you think right? What do you think right? He doesn't

448
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: like he's want he knows what he wants to do,

449
00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: you know, and he doesn't want to have to act

450
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: like he's open to someone. He doesn't want to pretend

451
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: like he's open to input and engaging in that kind

452
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,840
Speaker 1: of conversation. Right from my like from my just personal

453
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: experience being a new hunter hunting with more experienced hunters

454
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 1: like the like the like the mentorship is invaluable, and

455
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: I like really really appreciate that. But what I do

456
00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: wish I had more of was like given I would

457
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 1: wish I was often given the chance of like, well

458
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: why don't you you know, why don't why don't you

459
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: make a decision? Like it's more often like I'm like, oh,

460
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: I want to go check out this, and it's like no,

461
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: no, no no, they're not going to be over there, like

462
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna go this way. It's like, well, I want

463
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 1: to make my own mistakes, Like why don't you let

464
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: me just check it out? Like maybe there are maybe

465
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: there aren't. You know what I mean, Like is a

466
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:03,679
Speaker 1: less experienced hunter hunting with someone who is more experienced.

467
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: Often I'm I just want to be given the chance

468
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: to like do it on my own sometimes, you know,

469
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: make my own mistakes the flip side, not the flip side.

470
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 1: But another thing that could happen though, is you would

471
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 1: have been bearing down on that turkey and your more

472
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: experienced hunting partner might have went or some noise like that,

473
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 1: being like no, no, no, no, and then wait wait

474
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:33,199
Speaker 1: wait wait wait yeah no, I mean absolutely filled that turkey. Right, No,

475
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:35,760
Speaker 1: you're you're you know, you're totally right. I mean I think,

476
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 1: you know, I could be either situation. Yes, I wish

477
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: I had that chance more often doing right? How do

478
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: you do it? Shoot? Shoot? Right? No? I mean and yeah,

479
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,159
Speaker 1: I mean anything could happen. I think that's the biggest thing,

480
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: is like anything that could happen. But sometimes I wo

481
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: just wouldn't make my own mistakes. And in that sense,

482
00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: I did make my own mistakes. So when you say

483
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: it was your third turkey hunt, you went last year.

484
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 1: I went last year by myself to that spot, was

485
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 1: just by yourself. I was by myself. The second time

486
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 1: was with the Patelli's clan at that same spot, and

487
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: then the third time was with the Patelis clan, Corey,

488
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 1: my boyfriend, and Helen and John and that was the

489
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: most fun out of all the time. He what was

490
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: your take on all this? This is my first turkey

491
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: hunt and everything. I'm obsessed with turkey hunting now, even

492
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: if I didn't even get a shot at a bird,

493
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with everything that goes around with it. You

494
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: like it better and shooting cowell, surf caffer, like everything

495
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 1: from the names of things in turkey hunting, Like the

496
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: Honest was telling me, He's like, you know what the

497
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: big you know, big male turkeys, look, they're called Boss

498
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 1: Tom's roth trackers. Like you know the little dingle the

499
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: little dingle bell that hangs over a turkey's nose and

500
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: lays off to the side of his nose. It's called

501
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: You love this if you think if you like Boss Tom,

502
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: come on, you guys were educated on that the wattle no, no,

503
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: little dangler off his head. Oh called it danglar. No

504
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: in the guide book. I remember, you know what else

505
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: is in the guide book? No no, no, no, no

506
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: no snood Oh that's right, snoud hangs there's the little deally. Yeah,

507
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 1: the very first gobble. It's just it's addictive. I felt

508
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: like a cracky head. I was like, you know, you

509
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: would hear it and then it would go silent. You're like,

510
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: just one more couple, just want The thing is, man,

511
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: the thing is, you can't you can't like explain. You

512
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: could explain to those people. You cannot, like you can't

513
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: go to someone like, hey man, check on this picture

514
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: me and this turkey has shot. No, it's gonna be

515
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: like didn't get it before. It was like, I'm going, dude,

516
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: you know I'm the next guy that's in a picture

517
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: of the dead turkey is gonna be me. It's like

518
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: that doesn't speak to people. And it'll be all the

519
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: woods and here and just like the absurdly loud sound

520
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: of a turkey going off, and then all the calls too,

521
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: because we were with the Honest and Is doing all

522
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: sorts of calls. So the rhythm of calls, the different

523
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: kinds of calls. I mean, everything about it was just

524
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: it was amazing. It was so much fun. The call master,

525
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 1: it's kind of a columnaster. Yeah, you made fun of all.

526
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 1: I'm like a B. I'm like a B caller, but you,

527
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: honest is like an a caller. Interesting you don't agree

528
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: with that? Plays So does that bolt me down to

529
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: be mines? I like, I can kill turkeys, but like

530
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: I can call turkeys in. But I'm not like a

531
00:29:57,520 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: great caller, you know. I think I think I have more. Yeah,

532
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: I think I have more of a sense of rather

533
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: than having just the tremendous vocabulary of turkey sounds. I

534
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: feel that I have Probably I feel like I have

535
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: a pretty good sense of cadence, what's too much, what's

536
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: too little, that kind of stuff. But I don't have

537
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: like a great turkey vocabulary. But the calling part is

538
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: something like if I hadn't been with the Honest or

539
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 1: somebody who had experienced turkey hunting, you could buy all

540
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: the calls, but you wouldn't know necessarily. I mean, you

541
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,520
Speaker 1: can watch YouTube videos and stuff too, some good stuff.

542
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: I feel that if you want to learn how to

543
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: use turkey calls, man, I don't know if you honest

544
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: would agree with this, but um, what one of working

545
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: for me is the stuff anything about Will Primos instructive

546
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 1: material because he is uh, he is just like a

547
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: like a very good clear communicator and he's a pleasure

548
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: to listen to, extremely knowledgeable and for calling how to

549
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: well Primo CDs no bullshit. Last night, my old lady

550
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: and I are in bed Bolden kids clothes, which I've

551
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 1: been lamenting lately to you, and we're watching amount of

552
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: clothes folding the like every night it's likely another basketball,

553
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 1: but we're watching Bill pre Bows and uh. Numerous times

554
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: I had to give Jenner for the old nudge nudge

555
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 1: and be like, hey, keep folding. I know Bill is

556
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: interesting at all, but keep folding. You need to go

557
00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 1: to bed. She's a pretty good Colors last year she's

558
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 1: getting figured. Was she using a diaphragm or potton bag? Mostly?

559
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 1: But Turkey Hounting is like it's there's so much strategy

560
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 1: that's involved. You know, you think that you're like these

561
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 1: dumb birds, like, but they're they're like their site is

562
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: incredible and like also it's like chess. You're like, okay,

563
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 1: so you know we saw one that was really close

564
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: to camp and we're like, why don't we just go

565
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: over there? I'm like, kill a thing and yeah, and

566
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: Britney's boyfriend walked up the like path. As soon as

567
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: he started walking, which was like pretty far from the

568
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: field that they were at, they were like, nope, we're

569
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,240
Speaker 1: camp signing bullshit. It was windy's all get out, so

570
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: we had quit it, like I don't know, six thirty

571
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,720
Speaker 1: seven had an hour. Figure, let's get some dinner. Hopefully

572
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 1: we'll lay down, we'll go try roost a couple and

573
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: it's thirty minutes before dark and I look over and like,

574
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: what three golbers working up the edge of this PIDs

575
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 1: or something core. He's like, I'm gonna make a play.

576
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 1: I said, go for it. But if I was you,

577
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: I would go that way first, about a quarter mile

578
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:42,200
Speaker 1: over the ridge and then come around on him. He's like, no,

579
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: let's go round the road and cut him off. He

580
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: didn't make it thirty yards away from our little group.

581
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 1: You know that turkeys were comfortable with and they're things

582
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,400
Speaker 1: to have not have heard that. I'm like everyone else

583
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: let's thing about turkeys. Man is like, uh, you'll have

584
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,400
Speaker 1: have that. They're out all day, you know, so dear,

585
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:04,920
Speaker 1: you can be hunt white tails, and you hunt in

586
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,959
Speaker 1: the morning, and then at some point the data changes, right,

587
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 1: like the light gets a certain way, the wind gets

588
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: a certain way, the data is feels like it's daytime,

589
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,719
Speaker 1: and those sons of bitches are laying in the nastiest

590
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: hell hole right where you could walk ten ft away

591
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 1: from him, and you're not gonna see him. Oftentimes it's

592
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: like nothing you're gonna do. There's no tree you're gonna

593
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: be in to see him. You're not gonna find them.

594
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: It's like they don't. They kind of like cease to

595
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: exist and you gotta wait till evening when they marryatt

596
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 1: get up, you know, and make themselves approachable or findable again.

597
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: But turkeys, even when you're like pulling your hair out,

598
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: like they are out walking around. They are not hiding somewhere.

599
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:55,239
Speaker 1: They're out eating bugs, eating grass, walking around. So when

600
00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: you see one now and then, it's almost kind of

601
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: surprising when you just like randomly happened into a turn

602
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: seems so elusive. On this it was just like we

603
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: just saw it. Where did it go? It was right

604
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: and and like you could hear a gobble but it

605
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: sounds so close. But it was like on the other

606
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: side of the you know the canyon. Well, we saw

607
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: last year in New Mexico something I didn't know what

608
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: happened where we come and we were walking down a

609
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 1: canyon and came around a corner and it was a

610
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: tom in this where the canyon opens up and it's

611
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: like a grassy bottom and that something a bit laid

612
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: down and laid his head and neck out flat on

613
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: the ground. He got down like he pretended to be dead.

614
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:42,200
Speaker 1: He tried to down. He laid flat against the ground,

615
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: just melt and he laid flat against the ground, stretched

616
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: his neck out and laid his neck and head down

617
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: on the ground to hide, and then realized he was busting,

618
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: stood up, ran off. There a lot of pusher in

619
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: that area or something of every other kind of pressure

620
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 1: that's so weird. In fact, there's uh where just based

621
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: on all the evidence laying around, we saw where a

622
00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: lion had killed a turkey. I mean not a hundred

623
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 1: yards from there. They eat ship for turkeys there, I

624
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 1: tell you that. And the one that was there was

625
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 1: paranoid man. But people who think it would be easy

626
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 1: to hunt turkeys are based off of turkeys that are

627
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: in residential areas. That'd be like saying like, oh, elk

628
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: must be easy. I went to Yellowstone and the elk

629
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 1: were standing around. It's like, yeah, well you don't hunt

630
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: the Yellowstone. No, they're not easy hunting. They tune into

631
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: whatever like threat exists, and they know about hunting their paranoid.

632
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been to that same spot three times

633
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: now and haven't killed a turkey. Yeah, that's because it

634
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 1: just takes a while. If you went out there with

635
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: Robert Abernathy, you'd have a pilot, you'd have a whole

636
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: pilot that turkey. It's just like it just takes time.

637
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: Kevin Murphy, I have no turkey hunting scales. There's no

638
00:35:56,239 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 1: doubt you killed turkeys, skilled turkeys. How win. Last Tuesday,

639
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: LBL I got drawn for the early hunt for Monday,

640
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: and Tuesday, my daughter came in from school, so we

641
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: had a jeep driving exercise that day. The girl had

642
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 1: never driven any automobile straight shift without pire breaks or

643
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: without pire staring, so I spent the day with her

644
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 1: driving the jeep. So I got up the next day

645
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 1: to go hunting, and it was coming to monsoon rain,

646
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 1: so when the rain came over, I decided I'd go

647
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: to L B l And between Lakes hundred seventy seven

648
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: thousand acres up there, and I decided to go out

649
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: and drive around look around while it was raining. They

650
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 1: finally stopped and I went up this row the Ivan

651
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: Rogers Road, and I remember about fifteen or twenty years ago,

652
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: I was riding a horse through their squirrel hunting and

653
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,800
Speaker 1: there was a like a keep back because he was

654
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: talking quickly. I don't want to lose sight of your

655
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: how you came to be familiar with this particular piece

656
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 1: of ground you ride. But can you remind people about

657
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: like what you're the war horse? Well, I've got I

658
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: guess it was probably about nineteen eighty nine or something

659
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: that was on a big squirrel hunt on foot up there,

660
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,879
Speaker 1: and I come on a gravel road and I saw

661
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: these three guys come by on horse horses with their

662
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: squirrel dogs, and they had saddlebags and there was tails

663
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: just hanging out all of these saddle bags. You know,

664
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: I'm out here walking, they're riding. I've got to get

665
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: some new gear. So so about a year or two later,

666
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: I got a job at city hall and there was

667
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 1: a boy in there. Paul, Paul Howry you've met Paul

668
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 1: was in there, and he had horses, and he no offense.

669
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't typify him as a boy. Everybody's boy. Ball's

670
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: sixty two now or something like that. So his babysitter

671
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 1: when he was a kid was a horse. When he

672
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: was five years old, his dad traded thirty five bales

673
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 1: of alfalfa for a pony. That was mean as Hall

674
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: already gave it to Paul. And everybody had ponies back

675
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 1: in the sixties. That was the thing to have. It's

676
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: iPhones now, it was ponies. So so he just grew up, right,

677
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 1: he just grew up riding a horse there. So I

678
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: was up there at city Hall work and he was

679
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: the engineering department. I was in the water wastewater department.

680
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: And his horse this and horse this, blah blah blah horses.

681
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: You said vision squirrels tales and said, I'm gonna come over.

682
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: We're gonna open up squirrel season in April. So we're

683
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: going hunting this weekend. I'm ringing my dog and the guns.

684
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: We're going over there. So we got out there and

685
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 1: he's got two horses in a lot there's a little

686
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: bit he pinto pony looking thing and a real nice

687
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,839
Speaker 1: saddle horse. So he puts me on this little pinto horse. There.

688
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:55,399
Speaker 1: I ride around a lot to three times, because I've

689
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: only been on a horse maybe three or four times

690
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: in my life, just never never been around onund him

691
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 1: just a little bit, so I didn't fall off. So

692
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 1: we go out there and I'm on the saddle. That's

693
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: about I don't know. Some kids scattle right here. So

694
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,359
Speaker 1: we write it down the first hill, up the next hill,

695
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,799
Speaker 1: and it's wearing his big blister on my backside there.

696
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: I said, okay, I said, I'm either gonna get the

697
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: big horse with the big saddle, or you're gonna carry

698
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: the gun. Well, he didn't want to carry the gun,

699
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: so so I got on the big horse with the gun,

700
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 1: and from there on out, I bought a horse, and

701
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: we hunted hard from about ninety two to just within

702
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: the last three or four years, and then just they

703
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: got older and don't hunt as much anymore, but they

704
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: go with Jodie. Jody's my new horse hunting buddy. He's

705
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 1: sixty seven and Leon is sixty four with a double

706
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: hip replacement. So that's they've replaced Paul pretty much. But

707
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: we'll go for a half a day's twelve iyers full

708
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 1: days twenty four is my buddy, Steve Doolittle sense when

709
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: he goes hunting. He was a city planner. He was

710
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 1: in city halled. He rears white start shirt every day,

711
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: had the big nerd pack on him, and he looked

712
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,320
Speaker 1: like just a geek. And I finally found out that

713
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: the only thing between him and the north pole was

714
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: a bob war fence. He was grew up in North

715
00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: Dakota and he hunted and messed around. So I recruited

716
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: him to go over and go squirrel hunting. And we

717
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:17,400
Speaker 1: were around there and he was trying to whoever's new

718
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: on the board. We let them try to do all

719
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: the shooting, and we said, you know, you need to

720
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: bring a sandwich and some food and the twenty two

721
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,399
Speaker 1: rifle with a scope on it. So we'll stay out,

722
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, we'll do do half a day or so.

723
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 1: So he comes over the house at four thirty in

724
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 1: the morning. It's ire drive to Paul. So we get

725
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: over there at five thirty, get everything saddled up. But

726
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: so six thirty seven o'clock were out and about and

727
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 1: it's one of those days when the squirrels were out.

728
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: He's one of those rainy, misty days when they come

729
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,360
Speaker 1: out and they're low, and we were stacking up squirrels

730
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,719
Speaker 1: and we're trying to get Steve to shoot him with

731
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: his ted Williams twenty two automatic with the the the

732
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: optical about the size of a drinking straw on it.

733
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: He says, it's just not fair. Boy. He says, y'all

734
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: got thosehubble telescopes on. Y'all's good. It's not just through mac.

735
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,480
Speaker 1: So the war horse developed into we went back our

736
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: grub on it. Maybe a baseball bat, so if they

737
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: go into a hollow tree or something, you can just

738
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: kind of ring it a little bit, beat out a

739
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: little bit and which works. And I didn't see Kevin

740
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: doing a baseball bat, but I just see him do

741
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: it with a stick. The squirrel goes into a hole

742
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: and just tap the tree and he would come out.

743
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 1: And then then he'll carry a shotgun to one scabbard

744
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: and twenty two and the other maybe a machiney or

745
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: chopping as the army getting pretty much. Kevin is another

746
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: trip man that blew me away. Was just cutting a

747
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: long sawtooth briar, sallow tooth briar. So he'll find a

748
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,720
Speaker 1: big long sawtooth briar. It's like, you know, just vinds

749
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: that grow and he'll trim it up and get the

750
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: teeth off that thing, except leave a couple of teeth

751
00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: on the end, and you can snake that up into

752
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: as like you're trying to clean the drain. Snake it

753
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 1: up into a hollow tree and you'll bump the squirrel

754
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: and he'll come shooting out. Lots of tricks, lots of

755
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: squirrel hunting tricks. I wish Montana had more squirrel hunting.

756
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong, But I've been telling people

757
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: about heavy duty squirrel hunters and like that. I feel

758
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: like it doesn't really matter really what Like the total

759
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: at the end of the day is as much as

760
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: when you say zero got away. Is that true to you?

761
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 1: Like you're kind of more You're proud of the fact

762
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: if you can say zero versus five got away, but

763
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: we killed fifteen. I like both, like a big body

764
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: counting none get away. Now, the older the older I get,

765
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's more enjoyable just to go now and

766
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: take somebody new. You know, that's never got to shoot anything,

767
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: do whatever, and kind of show them some things said. Okay,

768
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: and probably my pride of hunting is to see the

769
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: squirreld first. You know, if I'm if I'm riding two

770
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: rages over there and I'm they're looking, you know, I'm

771
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 1: hoping this horse didn't run me under a tree limb

772
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: or anything. So I'm riding there looking for him to move,

773
00:43:07,120 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: because a lot of times that's when they all when

774
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 1: you're riding up or the dogs are running around there,

775
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 1: that they'll move. So that's probably the thing that I

776
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: liked it that I don't have to kill any But

777
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: if I can spot the squirrel first before anybody else,

778
00:43:19,400 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: and I'm pretty good at it, then that's enough for me.

779
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: Now I want to get back to the what what

780
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: started this whole thing? But you told me if I

781
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: can't remember the answer, our squirrel hunters kind of not

782
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: just not just horse mounted squirrel hunters, but squirrel hunters

783
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 1: in general. Is that kind of fading out pretty much

784
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: in your area Kentucky? Or were you saying there's like

785
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: more dudes getting into it? Um? Probably as far as

786
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: the steel hunters when I was a kid. You better

787
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,360
Speaker 1: have your spot staked out before way before daylight, because

788
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: you did, and somebody would come in. Squirrel season comes

789
00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: in the third Saturday, but in August, and that's traditional

790
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: squirrel season for forever, and everybody in the country would

791
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 1: be out squirrel hunt that morning. Now, if you can

792
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: go anywhere you want to, there's not anybody out there

793
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 1: that has disappeared. Uh, squirrel hunting with dogs has probably

794
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 1: picked up more. Uh they're a little more prevalent out there.

795
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,840
Speaker 1: With the Internet, people can find out who's got dogs.

796
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: There's a lot of competitions with dogs. Um. One of

797
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: my good buddies from West Virginia, he had a buddy

798
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: the other day and he said he saw it happen.

799
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: He sold a dog for twenty thousand dollars squirrel doll

800
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: the squirrel dog twenty thousand dollars, said some guy from

801
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,800
Speaker 1: down south, lots of money, didn't even hunt his dogs.

802
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: He just boughted him to putting his ken on, paid

803
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 1: somebody else to hunt with his squirrel dog. And I

804
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: remember back in the eighties there was a squirrel organization,

805
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: American Tree and Fight Association, and they came to LBF

806
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: for like a competition squirrel where don't kill you just

807
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: go out and tree. And there was a oral dentist there.

808
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: He wasn't that hunt, but they told me about him.

809
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: Said yeah, I said he's got twelve squirrel dogs and

810
00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: said they're all top notched, you know. And he says

811
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: if he finds it good when he just goes out

812
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: and by it. But the prevalence of squirrel hund with

813
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: a dog is probably came up more. It's not that

814
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: uh prevalent out there, but there is several several people

815
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 1: doing it. But the squirrel hunt still hunters. They go

816
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: out and slip through the woods hot summertime, waiting for

817
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: the squirrels to cut hickory nuts, pecans. That that is

818
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 1: that has gone down. Um, kids just don't do it anymore.

819
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 1: You know, it's hot, nasty out there. They don't want

820
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: to get chiggers on them, snake bit whatever, and they

821
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:52,320
Speaker 1: just they just don't do that. You know, they can concentrate,

822
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 1: they concentrate on well you know then that's all we

823
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 1: had to hunt. We had squirrel and rabbit and quail

824
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: that no, no, no turkeysy no, speaking of turkeys. Um,

825
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: you were out there day and passed through an area

826
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:15,880
Speaker 1: you had grown familiar with through your equestrian wanderings in

827
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: search of squirrels. Passed through it one time, maybe twice.

828
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: I went through their bird hunt one time when we

829
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: had some birds in LB was some quail, but I

830
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: decided that I was going to go in there to

831
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: see if I could find where that a refuge sign was.

832
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: It was pretty unique. I've never seen one like that,

833
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: So you wanted to steal it. I wanted to put

834
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 1: it in the man cave. So okay, okay, for prosperity,

835
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: say that's right. So I went back there looking for it,

836
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: and I heard a big gobbler and he out there

837
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: out there gobbling, and I thought, well, I sit down here,

838
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 1: because I had all my ear with me, Jim call.

839
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: I had a call at a little box call diaphragm.

840
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:02,000
Speaker 1: All that, so I, no, I don't have I have

841
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 1: no skills, I have no skills. Doesn't really bother me.

842
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: So I got down. I could hear him gaming, and

843
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:10,400
Speaker 1: I would just call a little bit with him, and

844
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,720
Speaker 1: a little bit he would answer, and then I wouldn't

845
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 1: hear nothing from a long time, and then he would

846
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 1: answer again and I would call. But this one was

847
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 1: probably for like two hours. He was like four hundred yards.

848
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: I was done in the bottom, and he was probably

849
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: three or four hundred yards up on a ridge in

850
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: the LBL, you know the relief fire. He was probably

851
00:47:29,040 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: like a hundred feet above me. Why why didn't you

852
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: close the distance? Well I did eventually. I finally I

853
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: decided that I would go in there to him, and

854
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,319
Speaker 1: went up through there, and I could still hear him,

855
00:47:41,360 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 1: and I could was pinpoint where it was. Like I said,

856
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: I was done in this ravine and he was up

857
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: on top. So he had advantage on me right there.

858
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: And it's pretty open. Our our our leaves were leaved

859
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: out about the size of a mouse's here, so he

860
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: could see. He busted me. He saw me coming up

861
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: through the got busted. So you didn't get him, didn't

862
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: get him. I'll be back though, I know where he lives.

863
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 1: How long has your season run for? UH to about

864
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: the let's see, I think maybe the fifth of May.

865
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: You need to get back after him. I'll go back

866
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: out there. I was just reading the thing in UH

867
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 1: National Wild Turkey Federations publication that kind of like some

868
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: alarming declines and turkey numbers around the country. Handful of

869
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 1: places they can't figure out what's going on. But it

870
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 1: might be that we like hit the That might be

871
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: that we like hit the apex. We were like hit

872
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: the good old days of good old days nineteen sixty

873
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: four sixty five turkeys, Well, they impounded Kentucky like cropping

874
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: numbers for the next ten years or so skyrocketed. They

875
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: just come up there and then they started plummeting down.

876
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,799
Speaker 1: And I think that's what's happened to our turkeys. They've

877
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: came in good old mother nature gives them the instinct

878
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:13,399
Speaker 1: to breed and multiplying. Uh, they produce offspring just left

879
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: and right there. Uh. Now after they've got established, Uh,

880
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: there's more predators probably hunting on them. I don't think

881
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: that instinct is there. So we are we're at the

882
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: not the caring capacity, but mother's nature's capacity of what

883
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:29,440
Speaker 1: to have in those game works. That's what I think

884
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: has happened, because because I see it in my area

885
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 1: and I hear a lot of people talk about it.

886
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: Um as far as any disease or anything, I mean,

887
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 1: we got turkeys everywhere. There's some ideas floating around about

888
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 1: you know, some pathology. There's some ideas floating around about predation.

889
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:49,680
Speaker 1: There's some ideas floating around and it's kind of almost

890
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 1: like a taboo subject with certain people. But over harvest

891
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 1: that we're seeing the impacts of fall hunting where you're

892
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: killing hens. There are many many ideas. I just think

893
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,799
Speaker 1: that it's just like that, like I said, you even

894
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 1: pound any like whatever that first ten years ago, so

895
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: your animals take off and go, and then after that

896
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,719
Speaker 1: it just it just seeks its own level of what

897
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: it needs to be out there. There's no instinct to

898
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 1: go out here and blaze new territory or whatever. They

899
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: turkeys are there, they're just not in those numbers that

900
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: they want to be. But we forgot, you know, boocoos

901
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: of turkeys out there. I mean they're everywhere. You know, Michelle,

902
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: what you think about all this so far? I'm taking

903
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:33,239
Speaker 1: it all in cool everything. No one's upset anything that

904
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 1: upsets you, Okay, And then you want to ask about

905
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: our ad. We keep thinking on it. I saw that

906
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 1: you looked surprised when he said that someone bought up

907
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 1: two thousand dollar scroll dog. That's surprising information. Yeah, but

908
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,800
Speaker 1: I mean I've seen him work on the episode. It

909
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: was it was really exciting, Yeah, because a lot of

910
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: times you're on the wood of some guy's hunting dog,

911
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 1: and I'm just really thinking, Man, we'd be doing a

912
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: lot better if this dog wasn't here. But those dogs,

913
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: that's not true. The best names, Kevin, Can you uh

914
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,600
Speaker 1: tell me about all these big old crop ees you

915
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: were catching the spring? Well have been two places Kentucky Lake, which,

916
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: like I said, was impounded in nineteen forty five. I

917
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: think the Tennessee River. Uh we got Barkley Lake that

918
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: was the common river impounded in the in the sixties. YEA,

919
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: hold that thought for a minute. But when Kevin saw

920
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:32,879
Speaker 1: a land between the lakes, it used to be land

921
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:38,320
Speaker 1: between the rivers, and it was the big juncle like

922
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: an isthmus between where two rivers come. So those rivers

923
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: flow into the Ohio. Right, that's correct. The Cumberland and

924
00:51:43,560 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: the Tennessee flow into the Ohio as they approached the Ohio.

925
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 1: They're pretty close together. Between them was an isthmus like

926
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: or I guess yeah, an isthmus like feature between them

927
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 1: that had small community is an agricultural economy timber. Timber

928
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 1: agriculture pretty much in the river bottoms goes to the

929
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: land in between. Was pretty much Rolling Hills, Uh, pretty

930
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: much where Steele was invented steel. Yeah, but the Kelly

931
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: process that Bessemer was an Englishman that supposedly stole the

932
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 1: process from Kelly and took it back to England. After

933
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: several years, Um, they were in a lawsuit and finally

934
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: now you're looking Encyclopedia, Wikipedia or whatever, it's the Kelly

935
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: Bestment process. So, um, a lot of small other small

936
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: a lot of small arm furnaces. They had, uh small

937
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: deposits of arn ore seventy You can pick up a

938
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: chunk of arn ore and a creek bed or and

939
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:49,279
Speaker 1: a boar shout somewhere and you're just about think it's

940
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: pure arn. So they had the arm there. Yea. And

941
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: I brought a chunk of that home that you gave me.

942
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: Uh the t s A guys are interested in that?

943
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: H Do you tell us a media? No? I told

944
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,760
Speaker 1: him it was iron and he had a qualifying question

945
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: about it. I can't remember what are you asking? Suggested

946
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 1: he knew a little bit about iron ore, but no,

947
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: that they just wanted to pull out the bag and

948
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: ask you what it was. They had the timber there

949
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 1: also for the for the charco They made charcode to

950
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 1: ment them to stay only yeah, because there's still charcoal

951
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: furnaces out there and um. And it was like a

952
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,760
Speaker 1: little bit like removed from because there was a ferry system.

953
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: So it's like a little bit it's a little bit

954
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: like a little backwatersh backwoods is And then they impounded

955
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: those rivers. He created two big gas lakes, and then

956
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,720
Speaker 1: there was kind of a process of of people getting

957
00:53:43,040 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: bought out and leaving and now it's just a giant

958
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:48,760
Speaker 1: patch of public ground about a d seventy seven thousand

959
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: acres runs from from Kentucky. They're starting at Lake City

960
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: down to Dover, Tennessee, with all the like the vestiges

961
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:59,760
Speaker 1: of habitation. Though there's still you go there in the cemeteries,

962
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: old churches, charcoal. Yeah. Um. So there you're in those

963
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: lakes fishing croppies. We fished. There's some our limit. There

964
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: is a teenage croppie that you can then so ten inches,

965
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, just a little bit bigger than your hand.

966
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 1: That's already a giant. So that's the minimum sized limit

967
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: for Kentucky. So when I was a little boy, like

968
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: the lake I grew up on before the crop, he's

969
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of they kind of tapered off when they killed

970
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:31,400
Speaker 1: all the ore lake had milfoil in it, and eventually

971
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: got after the mil foil, which is an invasive plant.

972
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: But when they got after the milfoil and got rid

973
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:38,640
Speaker 1: of it, it really put a dent in the croppies

974
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 1: for a while because it took a long time for

975
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:43,439
Speaker 1: the native weeds to get established and get gone good.

976
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 1: But that would have been a giant a teen inch

977
00:54:46,920 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 1: back home, Yeah, well giant. We made a trip down

978
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 1: to Oxford, Mississippi. Uh. There's four lakes down there, Granada, uh, Eden, Uh,

979
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:04,320
Speaker 1: sardists in Washington, and we we fished Eden and the

980
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: minimum size there is a twelve inch croppy ship. So

981
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: one day that's the minimum size of them. That's what

982
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: that's what the minimum size of them for large mouth

983
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:18,479
Speaker 1: bass was. Um. We caught seventeen one day the boat

984
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,320
Speaker 1: I was in, and twelve of them were over two pounds.

985
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: I caught two ship you know, I don't know, we

986
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: just you know, we put them on them like that

987
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: laptop computer. Yeah, yeah, that's about like that. Yeah, that's

988
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: about that size. For really I caught to two fours.

989
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,479
Speaker 1: One boy called a two six was in a boat

990
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 1: with me and they had the oldest organized croppy tournament

991
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: in the US on Sardists that weekend and they called

992
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: a three four I think on it. And the world

993
00:55:51,560 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 1: record came out of Sardists or Granada, one of those

994
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:58,120
Speaker 1: lakes down there, and it is a five pounder really,

995
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: so it's it's no doubt. I don't understand how that

996
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: could be possible. It is everything is set up, you

997
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: know what the hell it look like. Just they're supposedly

998
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:13,400
Speaker 1: flood control lakes and they were put in there, I

999
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,400
Speaker 1: guess to capture flood water that was going to the

1000
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: Mississippi River. Um. This was my first trip down there.

1001
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:24,279
Speaker 1: I didn't get to see the whole lake situation. We

1002
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: stayed out in the deeper water uh fish anywhere from

1003
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: ten ten to fourteen feet pretty much what we called

1004
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,160
Speaker 1: our creep, targeting old dead trees and shipped that are

1005
00:56:34,200 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: down on the ball. They all the dead trees and stuff.

1006
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 1: We're in the back of the lakes. They hadn't started

1007
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: to what they call the boke yet, you know, they

1008
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: getting ready to go on spawn. They were they were

1009
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 1: coming up and starting to school and the tender twelve

1010
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 1: foot water I think one day, the last day it

1011
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:50,879
Speaker 1: warmed up, we actually caught some in four or five

1012
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: ft of water. But in the backside when the bode

1013
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: is on, they put on a pair of chest waiters

1014
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:01,320
Speaker 1: like you go waterfowl hunt and with a take a

1015
00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: jake po out there and a stringer and just waite

1016
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 1: around the slakes a lot of cypress stumps and trees

1017
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: and stuff, and they will just wait around and catch

1018
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: catch their limit. We had We had like two um

1019
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,360
Speaker 1: in the lake that I grew up on where I

1020
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: did the crappy fishing I've ever done. We had two structures.

1021
00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: We had a stump kind of off our dock to

1022
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: the right a few hundred yards away, and then we

1023
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,520
Speaker 1: had a some Christmas trees we wired together and sunk

1024
00:57:32,560 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: down with some sment blocks, and those be the two

1025
00:57:35,080 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: good places to catch crappy until the weeds came out.

1026
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:40,160
Speaker 1: Then the weeds and the spray would come up, and

1027
00:57:40,200 --> 00:57:42,760
Speaker 1: then at the mill foil would just break the surface

1028
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:45,280
Speaker 1: of the water. We go out with live mentals and

1029
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:47,680
Speaker 1: just knocked the ship out of them, or in the

1030
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: winter through the ice, go out at dusk and take

1031
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: live mentals blow of You almost want to find a U.

1032
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: So you have a live mental and a piece of

1033
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: split shot two ft above the men know, and in

1034
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 1: a weight that was effectively at equal librium, almost at equilibrium.

1035
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: It's buoyancy with the weight of the shot, so that

1036
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 1: if you blew on that bobber, it would go into

1037
00:58:14,400 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: water and you'd set that thing up out and you know,

1038
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 1: twelve thirtet of water several feet off the bottom and

1039
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,440
Speaker 1: they would take it. And you just watch that float go. Honestly,

1040
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: if you picked it up too fast, you would not

1041
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,480
Speaker 1: hook him. You have to watch that float just go

1042
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:32,360
Speaker 1: out of sight and wait and wait and wait, and

1043
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: then pick up. They'd be there. Guy used to love that. Man.

1044
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: I haven't called a cropp in twenty years. That's too long.

1045
00:58:40,120 --> 00:58:44,400
Speaker 1: Damn right man, you were mentioned an Oxford. Um, yeah,

1046
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: I know you read a lot. Are you fire with

1047
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,120
Speaker 1: the right I met this guy and hung out them

1048
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 1: a little bit, and he was a very avid like

1049
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: he liked the hunt squirrels with dogs. That the novelist

1050
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:56,560
Speaker 1: Larry Brown not familiar with his. He passed away some

1051
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: years ago, but he was a fight. It's a cool

1052
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: story is Larry Brown was a was a fireman in

1053
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 1: Oxford and there's a big literary community there. Um. And

1054
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: then he he wanted to be a writer. And I

1055
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: remember he wrote I think he said he wrote seven

1056
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:16,200
Speaker 1: novels before he sold one. His first novel was about

1057
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:18,919
Speaker 1: a man eating grizzly and Yellowston National Park and he said,

1058
00:59:19,080 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: at the time I had never seen a grizzly and

1059
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: I've never been yells though. But then later became you know,

1060
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,160
Speaker 1: he has many novels, and his novels has been like

1061
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: made you know in the movies Father and Son, Big Bad,

1062
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,840
Speaker 1: Love on Fire, great writer. But he was a he

1063
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: was a like fish calffish, like fish crop. He's like

1064
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:42,520
Speaker 1: to hunt squirrels. Many novelists, not many novelists hunt squirrels.

1065
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 1: There's a thing I found to be true in my life.

1066
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:50,800
Speaker 1: Always like reading William Fauldener. And he had the war

1067
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 1: horses and they would go down in the river bottom

1068
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: saw hunted squirrels off horseback. Any stories in the in

1069
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: the stories. And they was clan of old civil wars, generals,

1070
01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: colonels whatever, from the last of the days there and

1071
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 1: they would get the clan together, load up the wagons

1072
01:00:12,200 --> 01:00:14,440
Speaker 1: and horses and they would go to the river bottoms

1073
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:17,840
Speaker 1: and you hunted one afternoon. We didn't do any good,

1074
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: but we want of the pause and hunted Ohire river bottoms.

1075
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:23,040
Speaker 1: There two live there and that that place I always

1076
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: reminds me of what I think about William Faulkner deer

1077
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: hunting and bare hunting with with horses and dogs, then

1078
01:00:30,480 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 1: the river bottom. So he's he's my fault now. Not

1079
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: until later on. I didn't read anything growing up. I

1080
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: hated to read because they always made us read something

1081
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: that we didn't want to read, like you know, Shakespeare

1082
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 1: or something like that. So I was never never. My

1083
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: parents didn't read a lot. My dad in later in

1084
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 1: life he read just immensely there but just you know,

1085
01:00:56,560 --> 01:00:58,440
Speaker 1: if it was reading, it was something for a grade.

1086
01:00:58,520 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: And I was pretty much just say, blessed man. Maybe

1087
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything about reading. I had to study

1088
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,120
Speaker 1: Shakespeare so much through college, through college and graduate school,

1089
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: and like what what I eventually developed was if you

1090
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: say you don't like Shakespeare people, there's this thing that

1091
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: people be like, oh, you know, you're not You're not

1092
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: like an intellectual fella. When I and when I'm older

1093
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: in life, like when I'm beyond my productive years I'm

1094
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:25,200
Speaker 1: gonna write a book. You know, in Shakespeare, like when

1095
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: someone's mad at someone they call him a nave. People

1096
01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,440
Speaker 1: are saying nave. I'm gonna write a book called Knaves.

1097
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 1: It's gonna be in defense of not loving the Bard,

1098
01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be like a It's gonna be like

1099
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: a literary audite. Uh defense of disliking Shakespeare. Then, one

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01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:44,480
Speaker 1: of the main things I want to talk about is

1101
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: that I feel that Shakespeare stole a lot of his

1102
01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:53,840
Speaker 1: plot conventions from Three's Company, where like Shakespeare's comedies are

1103
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:58,200
Speaker 1: like where someone overhears a little snippet of conversation and

1104
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:02,040
Speaker 1: misconstrues what they're talking about. And I think, and I

1105
01:02:02,080 --> 01:02:06,760
Speaker 1: feel like he got that from Jack Roper and Mr

1106
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:12,680
Speaker 1: Mr Furley. But uh so, how did you discover fault?

1107
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: And You're like, I'm just curious, Like did you? Okay?

1108
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: I when I was a kid, if I read like

1109
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 1: we read Hemingway, we read Old Man in the Sea,

1110
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 1: not because it was Hemmingway, in because it's important literature.

1111
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: We are like our old man read it to us,

1112
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,080
Speaker 1: Remember all I mean, I can tell you right where

1113
01:02:28,120 --> 01:02:31,920
Speaker 1: he read it to us, um camping one time. But

1114
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 1: read it to us because it was a fishing story,

1115
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: not that it was like this is Heavingway and everyone

1116
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 1: should you know a great you know mind and literature

1117
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: and all that Pulitzer prized. It was like, oh, there's

1118
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 1: an old guy goes fishing. Let's hear what happens to him. Right,

1119
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: So when you discovered Faulkner, was it like, oh, there's

1120
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: a dude that writes about all kinds of old hunting

1121
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 1: ship down south or were you like, oh, I'm gonna

1122
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,920
Speaker 1: brush up on the literary canon. It was just my accident.

1123
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 1: I found a book I think it was in a

1124
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,600
Speaker 1: a discarday being at a bookstore or something, and just

1125
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 1: kind of thumbed through it and said, hey, this looks

1126
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 1: pretty good. And it was his book of hunting stories,

1127
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:14,040
Speaker 1: The Big Woods, I think is what it's called. And

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01:03:14,280 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: did you or did you not know that it was

1129
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,040
Speaker 1: the cannon like that it was part of the American

1130
01:03:19,160 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: literary canon, like it was part of like the literary

1131
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,680
Speaker 1: tradition of America. I can remember that they made us

1132
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:27,040
Speaker 1: read Faultner in high school or great school, but I

1133
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:28,680
Speaker 1: couldn't remember what book it was. It was not a

1134
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,439
Speaker 1: hunting book, you know, as I lay dying or something

1135
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: of that s worth there. So had you read them

1136
01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: where the red fern girls? Oh? Yes, had you read

1137
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 1: Light in the Forest? Not that one? You know that

1138
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 1: one is no dude, that's a gutting book. Man, it's

1139
01:03:42,520 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: a kid. I think it's Conrad Richter was the writer

1140
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: Light in the Forest. It's a story of a boy

1141
01:03:51,520 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: who gets captured by Indians in the Eastern settlements and

1142
01:03:56,280 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: raised up by Indians. And then there's a tree he

1143
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:02,520
Speaker 1: struck by which they need to give all their captives back.

1144
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,600
Speaker 1: And so the boy gets separated and sent back to

1145
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:13,600
Speaker 1: the settlements and then escapes and gets back to the

1146
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: Indians just when the Indians are fixing to go raid

1147
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:21,080
Speaker 1: the settlements. And his him being for young adults, him

1148
01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: being torn about, you know how where where he fits

1149
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: into this? Where he fits into this. It's a solid book.

1150
01:04:29,520 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: And then old Yeller, what else, Because when you look

1151
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 1: at cartoons and ship Man, cartoons have just eviscerated hunters

1152
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: through the history of cartoons, you know, like hunters are

1153
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,840
Speaker 1: always assholes. But when you look at the American literary canon,

1154
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:51,360
Speaker 1: it's just full of these amazing hunting stories. That's an

1155
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: interesting way thinking, I don't know, it's a good idea.

1156
01:04:58,320 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: I mean, like, like, why don't I like really, or

1157
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:05,040
Speaker 1: why don't I like, Yeah, it's a good idea. Children's

1158
01:05:05,080 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: book children thought about that. I thought about that a

1159
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 1: whole bunch because now that I read two children's books

1160
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: every night, now three children's books every night that I'm home. Wait,

1161
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: so other cartoons that you don't let your kids watch

1162
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: because they have bats because I'm not like, I don't

1163
01:05:19,080 --> 01:05:21,440
Speaker 1: like practice censorship, you know, I mean I try not to,

1164
01:05:21,640 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: like like, I try to like our kids. You know,

1165
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: our kids already know all about penises and vaginas and

1166
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: sperm and stuff like that. They know about bad mopos um.

1167
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: They know what animals are bad mo pos when animals

1168
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,080
Speaker 1: are not bad mopos And so I don't want I

1169
01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:41,040
Speaker 1: don't want to be like, uh what I see him

1170
01:05:41,080 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 1: watching something like they're into this show now they called

1171
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,560
Speaker 1: Trapper Wolves, or they watched it a couple of times.

1172
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:48,480
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, the hunters have Southern accents, real

1173
01:05:48,560 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: assholes and after these wolves and uh, they're watching it

1174
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,200
Speaker 1: and I'm telling me, yeah, I said, you know, here's

1175
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,720
Speaker 1: the problem with this cartoon man, And I tell him,

1176
01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:00,200
Speaker 1: but I don't like. But I don't say that we're

1177
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: not watching this because this doesn't agree with my worldview,

1178
01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 1: you know, because I think like in some ways they're

1179
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 1: smart enough, Like there's obviously something I wouldn't let them watch,

1180
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna I'm not gonna like censor them

1181
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,120
Speaker 1: on that grounds. But so then do you explain? You

1182
01:06:15,200 --> 01:06:20,640
Speaker 1: do explain then, like why this is? Yeah, my kids

1183
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:28,240
Speaker 1: are like very interested in hunting and fishing. Do they

1184
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: watch the show? Yeah, they love the show. I can't

1185
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:35,120
Speaker 1: stand it. They watched on Netflix. It's like it's nothing worse,

1186
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 1: you know, when you'rey're supposed to be like they can

1187
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:40,120
Speaker 1: only watch TV two days out of the week, like

1188
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:41,959
Speaker 1: in the morning, they can watch the TV. Their mins

1189
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: real strict about TV and sugar. But in the great

1190
01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 1: traditions of moms, right but now and then they'll turn

1191
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 1: it on and I don't like here and yeah, but

1192
01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:57,880
Speaker 1: um no, they're like way ass pro hunt. So if

1193
01:06:57,920 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 1: it was going to be that they weren't, then that

1194
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 1: would maybe her tail it. But I just noticed in cartoons,

1195
01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: like the other day I was watching and I was

1196
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: on a plane and some gal in front of you

1197
01:07:06,440 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 1: a growing up to which was alarming was watching Beauty

1198
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: and the Beast. Why is that alarming? It just doesn't

1199
01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 1: seem like a like a good use of an adult.

1200
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 1: She's really into Disney. It's like nostalgic. Yeah, I don't know.

1201
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:25,959
Speaker 1: I didn't like it. I judged her. And the Hunter.

1202
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:27,800
Speaker 1: There's a dude there who's a hunter, who's a real

1203
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: Aholes that's his name. It's not bad because he's a hunter, though,

1204
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:39,120
Speaker 1: he's bad because he's a misogynist. He's vain. He's like

1205
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 1: very vain and a massogist. But they're like, well, how

1206
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 1: can we make them extra assholen? Have you a hunter too?

1207
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:49,160
Speaker 1: But yeah, but then if you go look at the

1208
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,520
Speaker 1: like the really high minded art, you know, they're really

1209
01:07:52,600 --> 01:07:58,480
Speaker 1: like high minded art. That the um fucking Mark Twain

1210
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:04,480
Speaker 1: hook A very finn and Tom Sawyer, great fisherman, you know,

1211
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:13,480
Speaker 1: Hunger games, great the people. Yeah, she hunts for deer,

1212
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 1: all sorts of food. All right, so there's a good one.

1213
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:22,040
Speaker 1: I mean a lot brave, like the Disney Pixar film

1214
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:28,000
Speaker 1: Brave where the young girl she's also an archery hunter. Alright,

1215
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:31,639
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, I think so. Yeah, but you have like oh, yeah,

1216
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 1: you have all these you know, there are some good

1217
01:08:34,200 --> 01:08:38,439
Speaker 1: depictions of hunting, hunting for food. That's a good point.

1218
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 1: That's a good point. Um, what's next, Kevin. Kevin hunts

1219
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 1: and fish is more for a guy that doesn't get

1220
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: paid to hunting fish. You're hunting fish more than anybody.

1221
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: I know. That would ruin everything if I got paid.

1222
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: But it's kind of amazing how many days out of

1223
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:00,040
Speaker 1: the year you're hunting fish. That's I'm very fortunate in

1224
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:02,400
Speaker 1: my life. You know. I grew up with My dad

1225
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:05,840
Speaker 1: was a state policeman, and there was always a gun,

1226
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, in a corner. Thompson most submachine gun in

1227
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 1: the and it flows it. You know. We went to

1228
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:13,400
Speaker 1: the movie theater. He had a gun on his ankle.

1229
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,439
Speaker 1: It was just a tool, you know. And and like

1230
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: I said, we went honting. When I was a smile.

1231
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,840
Speaker 1: We'd go out in target practice year round. Go to

1232
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: my grandparents. They did way out in the country, my

1233
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,640
Speaker 1: mom's parents. It was a gravel abandoned gravel pit. Like

1234
01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: there used to be thousands all over the United States

1235
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: and everybody would targe it. Every one of them was everybody.

1236
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 1: We're up in Toklaska, and I'm like, hey, I want

1237
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: to check my I want to send my rifle and

1238
01:09:38,120 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 1: you know, and he's like, hey, if you just go

1239
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: down a little you know, go down a mile out

1240
01:09:42,280 --> 01:09:44,639
Speaker 1: of town and just watch on your right, you'll see

1241
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: a little turn off. I mean, it was just wild

1242
01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:50,640
Speaker 1: ass to last you go. I'm sure enough it's a

1243
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:57,840
Speaker 1: gravel quarry for shell casings and shot up TVs, but inescapable.

1244
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: You know. I just grew up hunting in fishing and

1245
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 1: my dad had bird dogs when I was a small kid,

1246
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,800
Speaker 1: and the birds were kind of starting to disappear and

1247
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:09,479
Speaker 1: quail quail, yes, And he got a squirrel dog and

1248
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: we just I just started hunting with him, and not

1249
01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:14,400
Speaker 1: as much as I do now, but then after I

1250
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 1: got older and stuff, I just enjoyed it. And this

1251
01:10:17,439 --> 01:10:20,360
Speaker 1: is the four deer in Turkey, before deer in Turkey, yes,

1252
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:24,160
Speaker 1: we like, you know, the first deer I ever killed

1253
01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: was in Florida. I mean, there wasn't that many deer

1254
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: in Kentucky. We were just starting to get them back.

1255
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:33,520
Speaker 1: And what happened to the quail? Why are the quail gone? Habitat?

1256
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,719
Speaker 1: Habitat is a lot of it uh, past the sides

1257
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:41,519
Speaker 1: the apartment. I think there is something that came through.

1258
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was West Nile virus that

1259
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:49,120
Speaker 1: came through, and the nineties that came through. They were

1260
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:53,720
Speaker 1: gradually declining. But you know, quail takes certain habitat where

1261
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:57,000
Speaker 1: you have to have weed, seeds and briers. And with

1262
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:59,560
Speaker 1: the farming methods that were coming in in the seventies,

1263
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 1: a lot of those, the little bitty small farms were disappearing.

1264
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: And I know and in fact that they were some

1265
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 1: of the Amish people live. There's no predators. They all

1266
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:15,920
Speaker 1: have chickens. They kill all the predators. Quail could come

1267
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,719
Speaker 1: back there if we had if we had a hate

1268
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:23,280
Speaker 1: a pool. Jean stock stock to bring back again. He

1269
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: saw a quail on Amish farm. No. Never you commenting

1270
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:30,759
Speaker 1: about how how much game was on the Amish property,

1271
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: because they have practiced. If they had different practices, dirtier rows,

1272
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: left more stuff underground, big gass fence, rolls full of

1273
01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,800
Speaker 1: briers and brush. And you said they're pretty hard on predators. Yes,

1274
01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: because like I said, they all have chicken. They killed

1275
01:11:47,680 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: the predators that come in there. They have a small

1276
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:54,040
Speaker 1: farm areas. You know, fifteen probably fifty acres would be

1277
01:11:54,120 --> 01:11:56,639
Speaker 1: a big giant farm for the Amish people over there.

1278
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,600
Speaker 1: So they have the small little beaty farms, lots of fence, rows, defenses,

1279
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,400
Speaker 1: and just you know, if they're gonna mole field, they've

1280
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:06,639
Speaker 1: got to either pay somebody or hook up the horse

1281
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:10,720
Speaker 1: to a mowing machine and mow it with with a

1282
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:13,640
Speaker 1: horse drawn piece of equipment. And so they just let

1283
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:15,760
Speaker 1: it grow up foula and there a lot of times,

1284
01:12:15,800 --> 01:12:20,519
Speaker 1: and it replenished itself, so they don't break break crop

1285
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: around up every year, you know, turn it over. They'll

1286
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,439
Speaker 1: let it go back to to mother nature. And lots

1287
01:12:26,479 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 1: of weed seeds and briars grew up there. But I

1288
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,479
Speaker 1: think the quail we It's after ninety four and I

1289
01:12:32,560 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 1: got on the internet a few years ago. I was

1290
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:36,120
Speaker 1: reading in with some guy in Texas, and that's when

1291
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 1: he thought that he saw a big demise in them.

1292
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,719
Speaker 1: Something came through in the early nineties and just knocked

1293
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 1: him in the head. But you know, it's it's this

1294
01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 1: unbelievable that you could go out and see turkeys just

1295
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:52,920
Speaker 1: about anywhere, and every word. If somebody told me, I'll

1296
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: give you a thousand dollars if you take your bird

1297
01:12:55,160 --> 01:12:58,880
Speaker 1: dogs and go out and and kill kill a bird,

1298
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,960
Speaker 1: and if you don't, you have to give me a

1299
01:13:01,040 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. I probably wouldn't. I would have to really

1300
01:13:04,320 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 1: think hard about it before I take that challenge to

1301
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:10,640
Speaker 1: go out Quail lbl They used to be on you

1302
01:13:10,840 --> 01:13:13,679
Speaker 1: in the early nineties where there were a few covees

1303
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,760
Speaker 1: still left up there. But now I know, supposedly down

1304
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: in the Buffalo Piens there's some in there, but I

1305
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: know of no other places that there's any any birds

1306
01:13:24,840 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 1: up there there all, it's pretty much gone. Um seventy seven, Uh,

1307
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,560
Speaker 1: Mississippi River froze over. We had an influx of counties.

1308
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 1: The counties were gone pretty much before that time, so

1309
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:41,599
Speaker 1: they came in in the seventies after the river froze over.

1310
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,439
Speaker 1: The first thing they wiped out was the groundhogs. Remember

1311
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 1: you're talking about that, man. You just felt like the

1312
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: groundhogs vanished. They did. I mean, we've got some left

1313
01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:51,719
Speaker 1: around in the rock bluffs and are close to town,

1314
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,760
Speaker 1: but that used to be the Sunday afternoon sport for

1315
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: a lot of people go out to the hayfield soybean fields,

1316
01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 1: and you know, shoot shoot groundhogs. Um, there was a Um,

1317
01:14:02,600 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: that's what my dad he had a couple of armat rifles,

1318
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 1: two horning into two, which is equivalent to fifty. Lots

1319
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: of people around town had had groundhold guns and that's

1320
01:14:13,000 --> 01:14:14,679
Speaker 1: what they would do. But like I said, the counties

1321
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,240
Speaker 1: came in with it. Just a matter of a few

1322
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:20,120
Speaker 1: years they wiped them out. Um, we've got the influx

1323
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:24,680
Speaker 1: of armadillos now, that's that's come in. Now Armadilla is

1324
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,519
Speaker 1: pretty prevalent LB and now the last two winners we've

1325
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 1: had of not really knocked them in the head. Um,

1326
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,680
Speaker 1: they're not not as prevalent as what they were. But yes,

1327
01:14:32,760 --> 01:14:37,599
Speaker 1: we have armadillos throughout the western state of of of Kentucky,

1328
01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:41,760
Speaker 1: pretty pretty prevalent. One up into tenn Illinois now ship

1329
01:14:41,880 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: and they first started coming in in the early nineties.

1330
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:48,080
Speaker 1: I squirrel hunted over in Donovan, Missouri, over the Mark

1331
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:51,400
Speaker 1: Twain National Forest. They started moving in over there at

1332
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:53,800
Speaker 1: that point in time. Of course, you know, they're kind

1333
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:59,760
Speaker 1: of an opportunities. They will eat quail eggs and metal arcs.

1334
01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 1: We how the meadow larks that we used to have,

1335
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 1: they're they're not out there. You know a lot of

1336
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:08,680
Speaker 1: our bird numbers all over our our way down. You know,

1337
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:15,720
Speaker 1: historically raccoons which are now far north, but raccoons, opossums

1338
01:15:17,040 --> 01:15:23,240
Speaker 1: and have alna um are are all things that in

1339
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: Colombian times have have made mass northern migrations. I didn't

1340
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 1: know that armadillos were in there as well. They did

1341
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: this work with Burmese pythons that you know, everyone knows

1342
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: they through the pet trade and other ship got went

1343
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: feral in Florida and the Burmese pythons and areas in

1344
01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: the Everglades where the Burmese pythons have really taken off, um,

1345
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: there is a virtual absence of a certain size class

1346
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 1: of mammal where you know, raccoon sized mammals, smaller smaller

1347
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: up to racoon sized mammals have like honestly vanished from

1348
01:16:03,120 --> 01:16:07,800
Speaker 1: some areas from from predation by Burmese pythons. They were

1349
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: doing work to find like what right now would be

1350
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:15,160
Speaker 1: the northern limit, the northern expansion limit of Burmese pythons.

1351
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:20,360
Speaker 1: And to test this they would build these enclosures, uh

1352
01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:23,840
Speaker 1: and put the pythons in there and let them win her.

1353
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 1: And I remember, uh, our friend Robert, Robert Abernathew saying

1354
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:31,640
Speaker 1: he I can't remember what he said the line was,

1355
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 1: but it's it's people believe that the python would not

1356
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 1: find suitable habits, suitable habitat even into South Carolina. That's

1357
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,600
Speaker 1: I've read read an article two on that count. But

1358
01:16:48,720 --> 01:16:50,599
Speaker 1: they used to say the same ship about wild pigs.

1359
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:53,560
Speaker 1: So now you have like a handful of populations of

1360
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 1: wild pigs in Michigan. But other people say that a

1361
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:58,080
Speaker 1: bad winner is gonna come that when we get some

1362
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:00,479
Speaker 1: bad winners back like we had in the seventies, the

1363
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: little knacktor dix in the dirt and they'll be gone

1364
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:05,160
Speaker 1: to I don't know, because they're sure like the snow

1365
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,519
Speaker 1: in Siberia where they're from. Now, I don't see that

1366
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,560
Speaker 1: happen with the with the wild ferrel pigs. But do

1367
01:17:11,640 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 1: you guys have many of those in Kentucky. We had

1368
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:18,400
Speaker 1: some of the densest population in the US. They brought

1369
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:21,120
Speaker 1: the gun shopping, as I like to call it, the

1370
01:17:21,200 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 1: helicopter seven hundred dollars an hour, and the first year

1371
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: they killed three hundred and fifty from the gun ship.

1372
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: And then what happened, and then the next year they killed,

1373
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: I think it was like less than two hundred than

1374
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: the third year it was like less than fifty. So

1375
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: they feel like they're getting on top of them, they

1376
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,680
Speaker 1: are knocking them down. They're still there. They hired a

1377
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:47,920
Speaker 1: professional trapper also, but uh, there was some swamp ground

1378
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: u u um what is that bout to shay in

1379
01:17:54,280 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: that area far west Kentucky hard to get into. Lots

1380
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 1: of crop land around and um someone introduced them down

1381
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:05,080
Speaker 1: there and they took off. Someone put them in there

1382
01:18:05,080 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 1: because you still gonna be fun to go hunting for us.

1383
01:18:07,200 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: That's that's the story that I hear. You know, some

1384
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:11,439
Speaker 1: states are getting out ahead of that ship, and they're

1385
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:18,519
Speaker 1: banning wild pig hunting even in the absence of wild pigs,

1386
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: because so many areas where wild pigs are coming in.

1387
01:18:21,640 --> 01:18:25,600
Speaker 1: They're coming in because people are bringing them in to

1388
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:30,679
Speaker 1: establish a little pig hunt, even thinking that they're gonna

1389
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,559
Speaker 1: they're they like, they feel like they're going to contain

1390
01:18:32,640 --> 01:18:34,479
Speaker 1: them in fences, and they bring them in to sell

1391
01:18:34,600 --> 01:18:39,720
Speaker 1: hunts and and then not inevitably, but almost inevitably, some

1392
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: of those pigs get away and start new populations. So

1393
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:45,400
Speaker 1: a way to get out ahead of that that some

1394
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: states are doing. It's just like banning the hunting gift

1395
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 1: pigs before pigs come, because that winds up being one

1396
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,920
Speaker 1: of the biggest causes of them spreading. There's people trucking

1397
01:18:53,960 --> 01:18:57,200
Speaker 1: them around. I remember in Michigan, UM when they were

1398
01:18:57,240 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: trying to ban bringing in wild pigs, and there was

1399
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,600
Speaker 1: a there was a spirited debate about what was a

1400
01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:07,519
Speaker 1: wild pig, and they had had to define it in

1401
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 1: various ways with colouration, hair growth, attributes, all this other

1402
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 1: kind of ship Because like every pig in North of

1403
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:18,439
Speaker 1: every pig in North America, but every pig outside of Africa,

1404
01:19:19,160 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 1: um is just one species suits scraffa. So the little

1405
01:19:25,240 --> 01:19:28,960
Speaker 1: pink farm pig, right, it's all the same species. And

1406
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 1: what's unusual with pigs, I don't know if you talk

1407
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:34,000
Speaker 1: about have we talked about this before. What's unusual with

1408
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: pigs is that is that the actual old wild version

1409
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: exists contemporaneously with the feral creation. So the cattle we

1410
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: now have are um, what's that critter? The cattle came

1411
01:19:54,200 --> 01:19:59,640
Speaker 1: from orc. Yeah, that's what they tried to grow in

1412
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:05,760
Speaker 1: German a U R O c H. The oracx is

1413
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:09,600
Speaker 1: what cattle were domesticated from but then the oracs is

1414
01:20:09,640 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: now extinct, so we have the domestic offshoots of it,

1415
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:18,280
Speaker 1: but we don't have the actual thing. With turkeys. Turkeys

1416
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,240
Speaker 1: were captured in the New World, captured in the Western Hemisphere,

1417
01:20:21,640 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: brought back to Europe, bred into the domestic turkey that

1418
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 1: we now think of as a domestic white turkey, which

1419
01:20:28,520 --> 01:20:32,160
Speaker 1: was then brought back to the US. So in existence

1420
01:20:32,200 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: in the US, you have the ancestral bird, the wild turkey,

1421
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: and the domestic spinoff the turkey. With wild pigs in

1422
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 1: all over years. I mean this animals native in Italy,

1423
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:54,320
Speaker 1: certain Greek islands, um all over Asia, Eurasia, Russia, souscrafa,

1424
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 1: and then it was also brought by like Polynesians into

1425
01:20:57,800 --> 01:21:03,120
Speaker 1: Hawaii eleven years ago. Some bitch is everywhere, and it's

1426
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 1: all still just one thing, one species. So people talk

1427
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,799
Speaker 1: about razorbacks or Russian wild boars. It's all sue scraffa.

1428
01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:13,320
Speaker 1: So it's hard to want to stay want to say

1429
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,320
Speaker 1: no wild pigs, it's hard to say. It's hard to

1430
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 1: make a farmer's pigs illegal because wild pigs often are

1431
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:23,240
Speaker 1: just escaped domestics, but they were trying to find a

1432
01:21:23,280 --> 01:21:26,640
Speaker 1: way to rule out the bad home raise um the

1433
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: like souped up Russian boars, and they got some resistance

1434
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:38,240
Speaker 1: from like, uh, they got some resistance from like artisan

1435
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 1: butcher type guys who were trying to make who are

1436
01:21:42,280 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: fancying themselves making these products with you know, Russian wild

1437
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: pigs and doing like wild boar sausages and stuff. And

1438
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:56,880
Speaker 1: they got um blowback from certain very high calibers, a

1439
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:03,439
Speaker 1: certain very high caliber celebrity hunter who was selling wild

1440
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:07,120
Speaker 1: pig quote unquote hunts and wanted to be able to

1441
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:10,639
Speaker 1: continue to do so. And now Michigan has wild pigs

1442
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:14,120
Speaker 1: and the shipload of counties. I'm pretty sure they didn't

1443
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:16,680
Speaker 1: come in. They didn't come walking in from Florida. I'm

1444
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: pretty sure. In the said of Kentucky, if a pig

1445
01:22:20,320 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 1: escapes the farmer from the fence, he's considered a wild

1446
01:22:25,320 --> 01:22:30,000
Speaker 1: pig then and can be shot when he gets outside. Um.

1447
01:22:31,960 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 1: We have a young biologist that's in charge of the

1448
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,920
Speaker 1: wild pigs in the in the in the state, and

1449
01:22:40,040 --> 01:22:43,880
Speaker 1: there's been some probably to three years ago. I asked

1450
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: him to come to our sportsman club and give a

1451
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 1: little speech about what I was going, and he went

1452
01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:53,599
Speaker 1: into great detail until that inn um went into detail

1453
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,440
Speaker 1: about a lot of states, like you said, they're declaring

1454
01:22:57,960 --> 01:23:02,040
Speaker 1: all wild hug hunt hug illegal, And he had said

1455
01:23:02,120 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: they had trail cameras and pictures set up where they

1456
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 1: were paying people to trap the wild hawks, and they

1457
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:10,519
Speaker 1: would actually see a group of hunters come in with

1458
01:23:10,600 --> 01:23:14,840
Speaker 1: their dogs, catch dogs, and the armored vest, you know,

1459
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,840
Speaker 1: looking at their traps. So you know they were they

1460
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,400
Speaker 1: were hunting that area, and they knew that they were there,

1461
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: or they had turned hawk loose or whatever. So, uh,

1462
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:26,560
Speaker 1: when I was younger, I always thought that would be

1463
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:29,400
Speaker 1: a great thing to have. But I made a couple

1464
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:32,439
Speaker 1: of trips to St. Vincent's Island down and at La

1465
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:35,559
Speaker 1: Chicola Musloon and hunting down there, and saw just how

1466
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:40,799
Speaker 1: destructive the wild hogs were on the island, eat up everything,

1467
01:23:41,040 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: you know, everything on there, the sea, turtle, eggs, whatever,

1468
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:47,320
Speaker 1: and just realized that, hey, that's something that we do

1469
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:51,160
Speaker 1: not need. From time to time, they tried to introduce

1470
01:23:51,240 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 1: them into to land between the lakes on the Tennessee

1471
01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:57,880
Speaker 1: inn Um, they've got a trapper up there. Yeah, you know,

1472
01:23:57,960 --> 01:24:00,760
Speaker 1: they've turned some loose up they had some sightings. I

1473
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:04,519
Speaker 1: didn't know where if you not state sanctioned, state sanction,

1474
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:08,680
Speaker 1: I'm just just just Joe trying to get them up there.

1475
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,400
Speaker 1: But that's something we do not need anywhere in the US.

1476
01:24:12,600 --> 01:24:14,880
Speaker 1: When my when my parents, I can't remember, it was

1477
01:24:14,920 --> 01:24:16,439
Speaker 1: right when they were married or when they were dating.

1478
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 1: My dad took my mom wild pig hunting and my

1479
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:21,680
Speaker 1: mom got chased up a tree my pig. My dad

1480
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,120
Speaker 1: was out of arrows, and I think some about my

1481
01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 1: mom liked I don't know. I had to arrow them

1482
01:24:26,040 --> 01:24:27,640
Speaker 1: through it to them. It's something I can't I should have.

1483
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: It's one of those stories I should have gotten more

1484
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:35,880
Speaker 1: detail on. Um, you're honest, you've been awful quiet? What's uh? Nothing?

1485
01:24:36,240 --> 01:24:43,920
Speaker 1: Just nothing stories, just your little brain. Nothing that was awful, anything,

1486
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:49,160
Speaker 1: the nothing you're thinking about. Yeah, the pigs. I'm surprised

1487
01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: how many people don't get like when we we post

1488
01:24:52,360 --> 01:24:55,240
Speaker 1: something about pigs and everybody's like, I can't believe it.

1489
01:24:55,400 --> 01:24:57,479
Speaker 1: There are problems, but you can't hold them. That makes

1490
01:24:57,520 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: no sense. I just want to like clarify how that works. Right,

1491
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: It's like they're they're banning it so that no one

1492
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 1: has the incentive to like bring any in or have haunts,

1493
01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: or you can never outfit it or guide it legally. Um,

1494
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:19,160
Speaker 1: So I don't know how else can we clarify that,

1495
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,120
Speaker 1: because it just seems like we It's like it should

1496
01:25:21,120 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 1: be pretty easy to understand why they're just saying, like,

1497
01:25:24,120 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 1: like we we can't hunt them at all. A lot

1498
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: of fisheries would be in better shape if someone had

1499
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:32,880
Speaker 1: a long time ago said it is illegal to fish

1500
01:25:33,120 --> 01:25:36,880
Speaker 1: for northern pike, because that would have prevented a lot

1501
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,760
Speaker 1: of guys from saying like, man, I should bring a

1502
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,560
Speaker 1: couple of these pike home and let it go on

1503
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 1: my lake. These are great, right, Yeah, It's just it's

1504
01:25:45,240 --> 01:25:47,679
Speaker 1: just how pigs are gonna get around. And I like, see,

1505
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,479
Speaker 1: I'm on the side where I like to hunt wild pigs,

1506
01:25:49,479 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: but I do understand the problem. I do not want to.

1507
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,560
Speaker 1: I don't I like to entertain thoughts of what it

1508
01:25:54,600 --> 01:25:57,400
Speaker 1: would look like if we were to lose our bio

1509
01:25:57,479 --> 01:26:00,880
Speaker 1: diversity and some of our ground nesty game birds and

1510
01:26:01,479 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: ducks and all the other ship. You're gonna get severely

1511
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,519
Speaker 1: damaged and knocked back when pigs come in. But where

1512
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 1: do stuff gets interesting is in Hawaii. You have like no,

1513
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:18,040
Speaker 1: no humans lived in Hawaii till around years ago, no

1514
01:26:18,160 --> 01:26:20,600
Speaker 1: people had found it. The first people that found it

1515
01:26:20,680 --> 01:26:25,640
Speaker 1: were seafaring Polynesians, and they brought with them dogs and

1516
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,720
Speaker 1: pigs and and many many species of edible plants and

1517
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:31,600
Speaker 1: got all this stuff established in Hawaii. So now we

1518
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:34,720
Speaker 1: have like Native Hawaiians right, and Native Wilans are are

1519
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 1: an indigenous group, and they have sets of rights, and

1520
01:26:37,960 --> 01:26:40,719
Speaker 1: it uh claims to the land, to some of the land,

1521
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 1: and claims of certain practices. And it's insulting to them

1522
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: when some are insulting to I shouldn't say to them

1523
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: insulting to some of them, particularly a group of guys

1524
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: that I had spent some time hunting with, to say

1525
01:26:56,400 --> 01:27:00,439
Speaker 1: to them, you are a native people, but this pig

1526
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:04,840
Speaker 1: that you brought with you is del eterious, introduced non

1527
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:08,160
Speaker 1: native and should be eradicated because they think, well, if

1528
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:13,040
Speaker 1: we showed up here together at the same time, how

1529
01:27:13,120 --> 01:27:17,280
Speaker 1: am I okay? But that pig is bad. So people

1530
01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: do hang onto it um. And I remember even like

1531
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:23,360
Speaker 1: a friend of mine in California who's a cattle rancher

1532
01:27:23,400 --> 01:27:25,560
Speaker 1: and has pigs and has a lot of pigs, and

1533
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:28,160
Speaker 1: sometimes to a problem level, And I said him, if

1534
01:27:28,160 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: you could wave a magic wand and have all the

1535
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 1: pigs be gone, would you wave it? And he thought

1536
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 1: about and said no. He kind of likes them, just

1537
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,639
Speaker 1: not so many of them. But with pigs, you don't

1538
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 1: always get to choose in the disease they can't bring.

1539
01:27:47,720 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: That's one of the big issues. He's rolling in poison ivy.

1540
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:55,880
Speaker 1: I don't know if that comes the car they carry

1541
01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:58,640
Speaker 1: poison ivy. Yes, would you like to explain your your

1542
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:05,920
Speaker 1: T shirt? Yeah, golf artsy you think so? Yeah, we're

1543
01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 1: going for like a not artsy, but you know what

1544
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:11,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying, a scientific plate. Does that make sense when

1545
01:28:11,880 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 1: I say that image in your head like an old

1546
01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,880
Speaker 1: book that would have plates exactly. Steve is going to

1547
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 1: post a picture on Instagram. So yeah, it's like a

1548
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 1: doozy small game design cotton tail. Now on the cotton tail.

1549
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Why did you not spell out why did you not?

1550
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,960
Speaker 1: Why did you do the abbreviation for the second part

1551
01:28:35,040 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: of his lenaean name? Well, you caught me off guard

1552
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:42,560
Speaker 1: because I should know what the SPP stands for. But

1553
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:47,040
Speaker 1: it's like the overarching species, right, because there's so many subspecies,

1554
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:50,519
Speaker 1: so it's all the silver allogies. Yeah, exactly. How do

1555
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 1: you I don't know how to pronounce that word. You

1556
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:55,240
Speaker 1: not to pronounce that word. You did a pretty good job.

1557
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: Then you got the old rough grouse with his Latin

1558
01:28:57,960 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: Linnaean name yep, and then we did choose fox squirrel.

1559
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 1: Did you know when you get into those Linnaean names

1560
01:29:05,960 --> 01:29:09,240
Speaker 1: now Linnaean, Now Linnaeus was the fellow that came up

1561
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 1: with species names, right, the Latin names. When you get

1562
01:29:15,200 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: into subspecies and you want to having to do three words.

1563
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:27,960
Speaker 1: I just learned today that that's called trinomial nomenclature. Bison, bison, Athabaska.

1564
01:29:28,120 --> 01:29:31,240
Speaker 1: It's the it's the naming of subspecies. So you have

1565
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:38,440
Speaker 1: genus as your first word, species, second words sub subspecies

1566
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 1: when you start tagging on and then it becomes a

1567
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:44,800
Speaker 1: real unwieldy string, unwieldy string of words, and that's called

1568
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:49,760
Speaker 1: trinomial nomenclature. I read it today. This is Steve at

1569
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:54,599
Speaker 1: a party. I don't think I heard of that about

1570
01:29:54,640 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: thirty seven years clature I learned the day reading Nash

1571
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:04,200
Speaker 1: of All Turkey Federations magazine that comes into mail. I

1572
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:08,679
Speaker 1: think I think I did um but I remember seeing

1573
01:30:08,720 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: that and thinking that I was gonna remember it. Does

1574
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:14,360
Speaker 1: it go any further down? Can you go more than try?

1575
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. I want to seek that out. Yeah,

1576
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:20,960
Speaker 1: quadnomial nomencla. So it'd be like a branch off of

1577
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:27,160
Speaker 1: a subspecies. Huh um, all right, that'll make the lumpers

1578
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:36,120
Speaker 1: freak out. So uh any concluding thoughts, brittany, Um, I

1579
01:30:36,120 --> 01:30:40,760
Speaker 1: don't know. Next time, I'm gonna range distance before I shoot.

1580
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:43,200
Speaker 1: You use a range finder? Yeah, oh, I got a

1581
01:30:43,280 --> 01:30:47,680
Speaker 1: clearly thought about your Oh yeah, that's fine, that's fine. Um.

1582
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:53,479
Speaker 1: I would recommend you go shoot a big piece of

1583
01:30:53,560 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 1: paper at forty seven yards because you might not have missed.

1584
01:30:59,120 --> 01:31:00,760
Speaker 1: I mean, you might have missed the old fashioned way

1585
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,680
Speaker 1: by not having your gun point where you wanted it

1586
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:06,439
Speaker 1: to hit. May just be good education, you know, shoot

1587
01:31:06,520 --> 01:31:09,519
Speaker 1: at fifty to shoot at as well, you know, because

1588
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:11,760
Speaker 1: I can tell you if you were aiming, if you

1589
01:31:11,800 --> 01:31:14,640
Speaker 1: were legit aiming at his head, you damn sure hit

1590
01:31:14,760 --> 01:31:17,040
Speaker 1: that bird with pellets, but not enough to get through

1591
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 1: the feathers, would be my guess. No, it's just not

1592
01:31:21,040 --> 01:31:24,599
Speaker 1: you don't don't. You didn't do anything to him. It's

1593
01:31:24,800 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 1: hard because you didn't do anything to him. It's hard

1594
01:31:27,400 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: to get through those feathers. It would have made a noise.

1595
01:31:30,720 --> 01:31:33,360
Speaker 1: I've heard it. It's like not that noise, but it

1596
01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:36,960
Speaker 1: makes a noise. Just hits them if you ever Probably not,

1597
01:31:37,160 --> 01:31:40,080
Speaker 1: But sometimes someone takes a real hill Mary. At ducks.

1598
01:31:40,760 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 1: You'll see a doctor a goose and someone take a

1599
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:46,719
Speaker 1: hail Mary abbot, and you'll hear it on the feathers

1600
01:31:46,760 --> 01:31:48,439
Speaker 1: on the breast. You'll hear it. But that doctor doesn't

1601
01:31:48,439 --> 01:31:52,160
Speaker 1: even change tune. It's just yeah. But it flew away.

1602
01:31:53,120 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 1: I'm saying she didn't hurt it. I'm saying if she

1603
01:31:56,040 --> 01:31:59,479
Speaker 1: was aiming true, aiming at its head, what would I

1604
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 1: believe happened was that distance and gravity, Right, What I

1605
01:32:04,439 --> 01:32:07,240
Speaker 1: believe happens is the pellets dropped will lost a lot

1606
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:11,759
Speaker 1: of velocity in the upper part of her pattern. Probably

1607
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,559
Speaker 1: still spattered the bird in the same way that I've

1608
01:32:15,560 --> 01:32:19,240
Speaker 1: been shot by shotguns really far away, and you hear

1609
01:32:19,320 --> 01:32:21,599
Speaker 1: it and feel it, but I can't even get through

1610
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:25,840
Speaker 1: your clothes. Yeah, I mean, have you anybody that's done

1611
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:30,800
Speaker 1: any amount of general general shotgun and dove hunt has

1612
01:32:30,800 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 1: been hit by pellets? I mean I've been hitting the

1613
01:32:33,040 --> 01:32:35,519
Speaker 1: bare skin with them and had it not even have

1614
01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:38,719
Speaker 1: enough ohm to go in. I mean, just think, just imagine,

1615
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:41,560
Speaker 1: like all the things little kids play with and stuff like,

1616
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: there's an enormous gray area between it going into you

1617
01:32:47,920 --> 01:32:52,000
Speaker 1: and killing you and it like bouncing out. You know

1618
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:53,719
Speaker 1: what I means. Just hit stuff gets hit by pellets

1619
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,640
Speaker 1: all the time. We shad have baby gun fights and

1620
01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 1: only rarely, like I remember Tris Night and I are

1621
01:33:00,240 --> 01:33:02,840
Speaker 1: one time. It's like we used to play that. You

1622
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:05,080
Speaker 1: can only pump once, but if there are people were

1623
01:33:05,120 --> 01:33:08,040
Speaker 1: far away, you tend to pump a little more. And

1624
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:10,559
Speaker 1: I remember someone storm Tris Knight and iers a will

1625
01:33:10,640 --> 01:33:14,400
Speaker 1: hide out. Tris Knight and I tried to storm someone's

1626
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 1: hide out who was pumped up for a long range

1627
01:33:17,200 --> 01:33:21,360
Speaker 1: shot and shot Tris Knight Nier and it hit him

1628
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:26,960
Speaker 1: in the ball of his finger and exited out his finger. Now, yeah,

1629
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: I always think of when I think of BB gun shots,

1630
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,240
Speaker 1: I would think of the Royal Tenant bombs that we

1631
01:33:31,320 --> 01:33:38,400
Speaker 1: were seeing that movie where he has like the who

1632
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:43,400
Speaker 1: the how are we just oh yeah, okay, speaking of that.

1633
01:33:44,760 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 1: A friend of mine just tell me the story A

1634
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: long time ago he as a joke, picked up a

1635
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 1: baby gun and acted like he was gonna shoot himself

1636
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:52,439
Speaker 1: in the roof of the mouth of it when he

1637
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: was in high school. Okay, in high school, but I

1638
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 1: had a baby in it. Yeah, And he didn't even

1639
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:04,400
Speaker 1: know it. He thought that it was just air but

1640
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:07,200
Speaker 1: no baby. So he thought it was just pumped up

1641
01:34:07,240 --> 01:34:09,519
Speaker 1: but no baby. And so he when it hit him

1642
01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,080
Speaker 1: in the roof of the mouth, he could feel the air.

1643
01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:17,439
Speaker 1: Years ago by and he's getting dental X rays and

1644
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:19,639
Speaker 1: this thing is still lodging the roof of his mouth

1645
01:34:21,320 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 1: and just like, point blank, just did it pretty much.

1646
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 1: I can't I'm not even to get into the y

1647
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 1: in the world you do such a like whatever, right,

1648
01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm just saying everybody everybody was doing, like go right

1649
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,080
Speaker 1: through his brain and lodging the roof of his mouth.

1650
01:34:35,800 --> 01:34:38,160
Speaker 1: Pellet baby gun baby. And they were like, it's good

1651
01:34:38,200 --> 01:34:39,560
Speaker 1: to know because if you were to go in and

1652
01:34:39,640 --> 01:34:43,080
Speaker 1: get certain scans and ship with magnets, you know, pull

1653
01:34:43,120 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 1: that thing right back out of there. Maybe I don't

1654
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:50,439
Speaker 1: know it's copper, but um so, yeah, next time you

1655
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: shoot at a turkey, you're going to hit it. That's

1656
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:56,040
Speaker 1: your concluding thought, um, if we can go back to

1657
01:34:56,080 --> 01:35:02,680
Speaker 1: squirrels for a second after that hunt, because yeah, um,

1658
01:35:03,200 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm about to go on my first hunts, I guess

1659
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:08,560
Speaker 1: in New York, in my home state. So I was

1660
01:35:08,560 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: wondering if you personally had hunted in other places outside

1661
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:15,080
Speaker 1: of Kentucky, or like, what would be your advice for

1662
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:19,320
Speaker 1: hunting in new areas? Hunting squirrels in new areas? Advice

1663
01:35:21,160 --> 01:35:32,080
Speaker 1: I've been Illinois, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Michigan, uh, South Dakota, try

1664
01:35:32,120 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: to get one in Africa, but I couldn't get a permit.

1665
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:39,000
Speaker 1: You've got to have a permit to shoot anything over

1666
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:44,679
Speaker 1: there and everything. But new advice or like a new territory,

1667
01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 1: you know, advice for places that just go in there

1668
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 1: scout you know you're still hunting, I guess is what

1669
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: you're gonna be doing belief zone or what time of year?

1670
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:58,280
Speaker 1: I think hunting season New York starts in September. Yeah,

1671
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:00,599
Speaker 1: it goes through the end of February. That time of year.

1672
01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,080
Speaker 1: You want to look for the food source their masks,

1673
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:08,960
Speaker 1: so acron trees, hackor nuts in New York. When when

1674
01:36:09,000 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 1: I was hunting squirrels in New York, a little bit.

1675
01:36:10,720 --> 01:36:14,320
Speaker 1: We're hunting on uh In Beach. Beach Beach is a

1676
01:36:14,439 --> 01:36:18,840
Speaker 1: very excellent Yes, see what's in season and look for

1677
01:36:18,880 --> 01:36:22,960
Speaker 1: the food source. Are you guys getting an egg land? No,

1678
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:25,920
Speaker 1: it's like game. Well, first of all, in New York,

1679
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,120
Speaker 1: we don't have a spot yet because we haven't met

1680
01:36:28,200 --> 01:36:30,400
Speaker 1: I mean, we don't have anyone who knows a spot

1681
01:36:30,479 --> 01:36:31,720
Speaker 1: or whatever. So we were just going to do our

1682
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 1: own scouting and find a place. I I got a body,

1683
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,360
Speaker 1: I I got a couple of bodies. I need to

1684
01:36:37,400 --> 01:36:40,360
Speaker 1: talk to you for you. Britty doesn't like this kind

1685
01:36:40,400 --> 01:36:47,120
Speaker 1: of ship for eastern trees now, because now I will

1686
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,600
Speaker 1: get you a squirrel spot. Does they have to be

1687
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: It does have to be what like what's your what's

1688
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:55,559
Speaker 1: your rank? Like how far are you willing to travel?

1689
01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:01,080
Speaker 1: Willing to drive? So for squirrels. Yeah, listen, I'm gonna

1690
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 1: get on the phone and I'm gonna pound it and

1691
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm going to get you spots. There are spots in

1692
01:37:08,120 --> 01:37:11,479
Speaker 1: this phone waiting to be had. But now I'm publicly

1693
01:37:11,479 --> 01:37:14,000
Speaker 1: I am now interest in going to eastern Montage. Honestly,

1694
01:37:14,040 --> 01:37:16,639
Speaker 1: I can't do that for you because they just figure

1695
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 1: that out. But I can get you spots, it won't

1696
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:21,200
Speaker 1: matter because no one's hunting the public land for squirrels.

1697
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,280
Speaker 1: But that's what's so like that if you don't mind,

1698
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:26,679
Speaker 1: if if you don't, if you don't mind, I would

1699
01:37:26,720 --> 01:37:29,439
Speaker 1: get I would find you some I will find you

1700
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: some private land farms where you can add into the mix.

1701
01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:35,680
Speaker 1: And I think you also ought to explore public land

1702
01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:37,800
Speaker 1: locations too, because then you kind of own them, you know,

1703
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:41,840
Speaker 1: because in New York they're like, I mean, you know,

1704
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:46,720
Speaker 1: they're like city rats or something, so no one's to

1705
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:53,479
Speaker 1: go in and hunt them hopefully. Yeah. I like your idea,

1706
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 1: but but I could also supplement your I can supplement

1707
01:37:57,479 --> 01:38:05,639
Speaker 1: your roster of locations with some private landlord tls. Michelle.

1708
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:09,400
Speaker 1: I want to hear more about war horses in future.

1709
01:38:10,160 --> 01:38:13,679
Speaker 1: Do you like to ride horses? I want to see

1710
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:18,200
Speaker 1: it happen. Um see the horses. No, we used to.

1711
01:38:18,640 --> 01:38:20,719
Speaker 1: We should do a gear breakdown of your war horse.

1712
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:29,280
Speaker 1: Oh man, a graphic exactly coiled up sawtooth briar over. So,

1713
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:33,879
Speaker 1: so your family stown horses, Yeah, we had to Shasta

1714
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:36,840
Speaker 1: and there were quarter horses. Yeah, and Grandpa used to

1715
01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 1: get out and hunt with with both of them for

1716
01:38:39,680 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 1: big game though. Yeah, yeah, a little bit um out

1717
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:45,000
Speaker 1: in western Montana. And yeah I wrote them growing up.

1718
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:47,200
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun. But now they're long gone.

1719
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:50,240
Speaker 1: Yeah they're gone. Still got photos. This is like so

1720
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:55,120
Speaker 1: long ago that they're no longer alive. Yeah, so I'd

1721
01:38:55,200 --> 01:38:57,360
Speaker 1: like to see your setup. And if you had a horse,

1722
01:38:57,479 --> 01:39:00,320
Speaker 1: then you'd go get a squirrel hound. Oh oh man,

1723
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:08,000
Speaker 1: because Yanni's really doing. Yanni's taking it upon himself to

1724
01:39:08,120 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 1: identify um, unknown squirrel locales in and um the inter

1725
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:19,360
Speaker 1: Rocky Mountains. I got a hot tip. Just I'll tell

1726
01:39:19,400 --> 01:39:22,839
Speaker 1: you something. Anyone out here who's been reading outdoor magazines

1727
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:28,200
Speaker 1: their whole life will know the name Jim Zumbo and uh.

1728
01:39:29,439 --> 01:39:32,080
Speaker 1: And turns out we have on good authority that Jim

1729
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:36,320
Speaker 1: Zumbo is a very avid squirrel hunter. But he likes

1730
01:39:36,560 --> 01:39:40,000
Speaker 1: as he likes to clarify that he's interested in fox squirrels. M.

1731
01:39:40,840 --> 01:39:45,040
Speaker 1: You notice that he doesn't say squirrels. That was great.

1732
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:46,760
Speaker 1: I don't even know where that came from, because we're

1733
01:39:46,800 --> 01:39:50,040
Speaker 1: saying by to Mr David Allen from the Rocky Mountain

1734
01:39:50,040 --> 01:39:53,920
Speaker 1: ELK Foundation. He's like picked his brain about squirrels. But

1735
01:39:54,000 --> 01:39:57,160
Speaker 1: he's like, I know, but He just like gonna start

1736
01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:00,920
Speaker 1: the Rocky Montain squirrel founding. He said, live in Billings,

1737
01:40:01,240 --> 01:40:03,640
Speaker 1: and Billings is kind of like the cut, like I

1738
01:40:03,720 --> 01:40:06,760
Speaker 1: haven't yet to hear of a squirrel around Billings, Like

1739
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:10,360
Speaker 1: everything is still even there. And so I'm like, oh, hey,

1740
01:40:10,680 --> 01:40:12,960
Speaker 1: you're big hunter. You've been around the woods a lot,

1741
01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:16,719
Speaker 1: you know, living on the Yellowstone Corridor. What about squirrels?

1742
01:40:16,840 --> 01:40:18,360
Speaker 1: And he kind of gave me that I don't give

1743
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 1: a flip about squirrels, but you know who does, Mr

1744
01:40:22,400 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 1: Jim Zombo, let me hook you up. And immediately I

1745
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:27,960
Speaker 1: had an email from Jim Zombo, which is awesome. I'll

1746
01:40:27,960 --> 01:40:30,160
Speaker 1: tell you what you need to do. This would be

1747
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:34,760
Speaker 1: good for just America in general. Is So, the Yellowstone

1748
01:40:35,520 --> 01:40:38,639
Speaker 1: River is the longest free flowing river in the United

1749
01:40:38,680 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 1: States and the Yellowstone Heads. It finds its source in

1750
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:50,920
Speaker 1: three forks, Montana, where the Gallatin, Madison, and Jefferson come together.

1751
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:55,560
Speaker 1: Lewis and Clark named those three rivers. Madison was secretary

1752
01:40:55,760 --> 01:40:59,360
Speaker 1: named him after the Secretary Treasury Secretary State can remember

1753
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:04,000
Speaker 1: who else, and and they form, yeah, who's Gallant? No,

1754
01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:05,479
Speaker 1: I'm messing this up. I'm talking about the head of

1755
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:12,599
Speaker 1: the Missouri, so uh, here you are. But anyways, those

1756
01:41:12,640 --> 01:41:15,680
Speaker 1: three rivers form the Missouri and three forks, and the

1757
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:21,120
Speaker 1: Missouri arch is way around and eventually, you know, eventually

1758
01:41:21,160 --> 01:41:24,560
Speaker 1: starts swinging down and where it picks up, the Mississippi

1759
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 1: becomes a Mississippi. But the Yellowstone kind of parallels it

1760
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:32,000
Speaker 1: and flows into it. And of course the Missouri, you know,

1761
01:41:32,120 --> 01:41:33,880
Speaker 1: flows all the way across the whole damn country and

1762
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:37,559
Speaker 1: and absorbs the Mississippi, and the Mississippi steals its name

1763
01:41:38,280 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 1: and it flows down, and so it creates this long corridor, right,

1764
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:47,599
Speaker 1: and squirrels and other species I was gonna get at

1765
01:41:47,680 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 1: his like Walleyes. Walleye seem to kind of taper out

1766
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:58,840
Speaker 1: right around where squirrels taper out. As you ascend the

1767
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:03,599
Speaker 1: Missouri and ascend the Yellowstone, you get to a point

1768
01:42:03,680 --> 01:42:08,879
Speaker 1: where it ceases to be warm water a warm water fishery,

1769
01:42:10,160 --> 01:42:12,600
Speaker 1: and becomes a cold water fishery. Right, So if you

1770
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:18,160
Speaker 1: go to Livingstone on the Yellowstone, it's child country. You

1771
01:42:18,280 --> 01:42:21,120
Speaker 1: go down to buildings, and you're in that middle ground.

1772
01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:24,120
Speaker 1: You go east to buildings, you're down into small mouth

1773
01:42:24,640 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 1: sager Walleye channel cats, and I feel like squirrels and

1774
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:38,240
Speaker 1: walleyes must need each other. No, I'm joking, but they

1775
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:41,600
Speaker 1: like they peter out in the same place. And what

1776
01:42:41,760 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 1: Yani's trying to do is he's trying to explore the

1777
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:50,560
Speaker 1: western terminus of fox squirrels who have headed up the

1778
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 1: Yellowstone following the the Riparian area there because they live

1779
01:42:55,880 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 1: in the cottonwood and Russian olive groves. And so far

1780
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 1: he's got them located in Forsyth, Montana. I have it

1781
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:10,120
Speaker 1: on good authority that they're not in Big Timber. But

1782
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:14,200
Speaker 1: here's where the picture gets weird. They're in Missoula, Montana.

1783
01:43:15,760 --> 01:43:19,840
Speaker 1: That's that's that's like a weird jumping introduction. And they're

1784
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 1: in there, in there in the residential areas there where

1785
01:43:22,479 --> 01:43:26,560
Speaker 1: people have planted ornamentals, so ornamentals they're being maples and

1786
01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:28,800
Speaker 1: oaks and ship like that, where there's like a lot

1787
01:43:28,840 --> 01:43:33,200
Speaker 1: of non native trees. But in those places where they're

1788
01:43:33,240 --> 01:43:37,600
Speaker 1: living on native trees like native habitat, he's trying to

1789
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:40,639
Speaker 1: find them closer to his home. Is this right, that's right?

1790
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:46,200
Speaker 1: I went I want in on that when he finds it.

1791
01:43:46,600 --> 01:43:49,920
Speaker 1: Oh we never finished up about your so, yeah, did

1792
01:43:49,960 --> 01:43:55,040
Speaker 1: we fished about your shirt. It's a new hunt each shirt, Kevin,

1793
01:43:55,080 --> 01:43:59,080
Speaker 1: Do have a favorite subspecies of squirrel? Oh, that's not

1794
01:43:59,160 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 1: how that works. Oh, it's not. Those are species. Oh

1795
01:44:02,520 --> 01:44:08,360
Speaker 1: they're species. There's um, what the gray squirrel and then

1796
01:44:09,280 --> 01:44:13,040
Speaker 1: the black squirrel. That's well, the black squirrels are great.

1797
01:44:13,240 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 1: Gray squirrels, pine squirrels out there, red squirrels called red squirrels,

1798
01:44:18,360 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 1: some people called pine squirrels. Uh. We have some up

1799
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 1: in the mountains. Ferry doodles, timber doodles, timber, timber, timber

1800
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:33,000
Speaker 1: when it's a timber doodle is uh? Oh, what do

1801
01:44:33,120 --> 01:44:36,439
Speaker 1: we call them? Timber or something? I can't think. We've

1802
01:44:36,479 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 1: got some of them in the in the eastern part

1803
01:44:39,040 --> 01:44:41,680
Speaker 1: of the state. Yes, yeah, the pine squirrel. But we've

1804
01:44:41,720 --> 01:44:45,000
Speaker 1: got fox squirrels and gray squirrels in the western end.

1805
01:44:45,360 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 1: But do you have a concluding thought. Concluding thought, Oh,

1806
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 1: if you get a chance to take someone new out

1807
01:44:51,000 --> 01:44:55,080
Speaker 1: hunting and fishing, and if you've got any institutional knowledge

1808
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:56,720
Speaker 1: in your head, don't let it go to you with

1809
01:44:56,840 --> 01:45:01,639
Speaker 1: the grave. Share that with someone. Good words, Kevin, Yeah,

1810
01:45:01,840 --> 01:45:11,559
Speaker 1: should no, no, after that, yeah, I reiterate, don't take

1811
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,040
Speaker 1: it to the grave, and thank you for listening,