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Speaker 2: are back here to rank all thirty NBA teams. We're

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Speaker 2: going to debate and place them into five different tiers,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we absolutely should, so we can know when we

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Speaker 3: But you guys, you know, yeah, I can't go top tier.

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Speaker 4: I can't go there. I think there's too many questions.

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Speaker 3: Now, Kevin durantswer that's that's monstrous, that's big, big, and

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Speaker 3: I think the first question is when they get punched

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Speaker 3: to throw them into the flirty flirts of the Final Four.

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Speaker 4: To me, what do you got track?

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Speaker 1: I'm with you. I also think final four flirt, But

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Speaker 1: if we had done this before Kevin Durant's injury, Finals

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Speaker 2: But you gotta beat all these.

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Speaker 2: You know what, I'm I can live with that. Like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, every other team at least has a Greg Munroe

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Speaker 4: I mean that's that's could.

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Speaker 3: I think that should be their number one priority. Everything

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Speaker 3: Just get somebody large to me.

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Speaker 1: All right, I am realizing now that I did my

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but see on Basketball Reference they called the Charlotte Hornets.

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Speaker 2: I always tried bk N first, and then b r O.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, those are just my ux tips right there. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, buddy has it on their jersey. I can't pay

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Speaker 2: Nobody would know what it is.

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Speaker 1: It's my number one website. Charlotte Hornets eleven, thirty. He

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right, we did.

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Speaker 1: And they've earned it. They've earned it this year. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look, when we get to some of these other teams

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, they here that bad.

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Speaker 3: the lack of talent that they have when you consider

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Speaker 3: LaMelo Ball, a former All Star, has played nearly half

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Speaker 3: Gordon Hayward has a shoe, baby, Gordon Hayward.

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Speaker 4: No, it's New Balance? Is cool now?

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Speaker 2: He probably wears loafers. He's not the.

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Speaker 4: Liner half the time.

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Speaker 3: No, but I don't know with all these talent what

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Speaker 1: Exactly an easy area fifty one here, because they are

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Speaker 2: Like this is a team that could.

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Speaker 1: Very easily be a seller at the trade headline PJ.

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Speaker 1: Exactly put him on the nuts. He's been there before.

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Speaker 1: Former Dunk Contest participant Mason Plumley.

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Speaker 2: We learned his dad's name per week, Perky.

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Speaker 1: Plumber, Perky Plumley, perky plums, perky.

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Speaker 1: be getting a top five pick because they need some

434
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Speaker 1: top five talent to join Lamello. Yeah, here's a team

435
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Speaker 1: who might not have a top five pick this year.

436
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Speaker 1: The Chicago Bulls next up for the Tier Maker nineteen

437
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Speaker 1: and twenty three, Currently tenth in the Eastern Conference after

438
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Speaker 1: missing a chance to move up with the Hawks losing,

439
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,520
Speaker 1: but game winner from Kyle Kuzma last night kept the

440
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Speaker 1: Balls in number ten. There are sixteenth in offense, they

441
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,600
Speaker 1: are eighteenth in defense. On our preseason show, we said

442
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,320
Speaker 1: they had play and potential and that feels right.

443
00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, I don't think we got to move this

444
00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,120
Speaker 2: team all that much tasks. I mean, I we don't

445
00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,160
Speaker 2: really think there's going to be a huge move made

446
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,280
Speaker 2: here at the deadline. I I mean, I guess it's

447
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:05,800
Speaker 2: possible that DeRozan or Avucevic or somebody big has moved.

448
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: But let's say they have this squad, they're gonna be battling.

449
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why I lost to the Wizards in

450
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:14,399
Speaker 2: alasty Is rough like last night, because it could have

451
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:15,960
Speaker 2: to be tied with them or something like that in

452
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,040
Speaker 2: the standings or whatever like you know, that could bump

453
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Speaker 2: them out of a home game in the playing tournament

454
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Speaker 2: or even making it completely So Yeah, this is where

455
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:25,679
Speaker 2: I'm keeping the Bulls.

456
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and the rise of teams like the Knicks and

457
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:32,240
Speaker 3: the Pacers hurts the Bulls from getting up to the

458
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Speaker 3: top six seeds, especially with the way the Cavs are

459
00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 3: playing and Celtics nets Bucks sixers being extremely solid, so

460
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 3: they can't go anywhere but the same spot. It ain't up,

461
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,520
Speaker 3: it could be down. With the way they finished against

462
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Speaker 3: the Wizards, that was unfortunate. They obviously should have come

463
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Speaker 3: up with that victory.

464
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Speaker 4: So here they are.

465
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Speaker 2: How many wins is it gonna take to be the

466
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Speaker 2: tenth seed in the plan in the East? You know

467
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: it's gonna take by the end season. You're gonna even

468
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Speaker 2: need to be above five.

469
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Speaker 4: Oh so I do.

470
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Speaker 2: So forty wins, Maybe we'll get you in there.

471
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Speaker 1: Could be forty ish, Yeah, it seems about right. Yeah,

472
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Speaker 1: well that's they're sort of on paced there.

473
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Speaker 4: It would be thirty eight right now.

474
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Speaker 1: Wow, So I feel like that'll go up a little bit,

475
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Speaker 1: but maybe we'll see. What do you think Bulls fan

476
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: playing potential is good? I will say the Bulls are

477
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Speaker 1: one of only five teams in the Eastern Conference to

478
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Speaker 1: be with the five hundred record against five hundred teams. Yeah, yeah,

479
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Speaker 1: their schedule gets easier in the second half of the season. Unfortunately,

480
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,239
Speaker 1: isn't this the opposite of what the Bulls were like?

481
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Speaker 2: Was it even last season where they could they beat

482
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Speaker 2: all the crappy teams and could never hang with the

483
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Speaker 2: the better teams in their in their conference.

484
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Speaker 1: And now it's like now it's flipped here, Like what

485
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:57,160
Speaker 1: gives That's inconsistent? But yeah, I think they were one

486
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Speaker 1: in fourteen against the top four season yeah, last year,

487
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Speaker 1: and now they're only beat the top four seeds.

488
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 2: So it's weird. But we're gonna be.

489
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Speaker 1: Talking about the balls a lot in the next four weeks,

490
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Speaker 1: I think, because every other team is monitoring their situation.

491
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Speaker 1: Lots of monitoring going on. Here's a fun team, the

492
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Speaker 1: Cleveland Cavaliers twenty six and sixteen. They are fifth in

493
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Speaker 1: the Eastern Conference. They are eleventh in offense, their second

494
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Speaker 1: in defense. In our preseason podcast, we had them as

495
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Speaker 1: playoff locks. I think there's certainly a playoff lock still. Yeah,

496
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Speaker 1: but I would be willing to hear a case for

497
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Speaker 1: a Final four flirtation.

498
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Speaker 2: Can you make it?

499
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Speaker 4: I think so.

500
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Speaker 2: Obviously, you love the Cavs. They have an identity with

501
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Speaker 2: that defense. You've got a superstar in Mitchell to win

502
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 2: your close games down the stretch, so that, to you

503
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: is enough.

504
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Speaker 3: They've got the ingredients. Mitchell can pull a team out

505
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Speaker 3: of a playoff series where they're in a hole, so

506
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: can an incredible defense, and they're deep enough they're gonna

507
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 3: win the ugly games. They can win the ugly games

508
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Speaker 3: in postseason basketball where their guys you're not hitting shots,

509
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Speaker 3: just because they're so good defensively and they have so

510
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:16,120
Speaker 3: many weapons offensively. So you mentioned that they're they're sort

511
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Speaker 3: of just out of the top ten offensively. That's gonna

512
00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: get better. I think that Donovan Mitchell has been covering

513
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Speaker 3: up a little bit of the problems that they have

514
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Speaker 3: in fourth quarters. They don't they just they don't have

515
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,959
Speaker 3: all the chemistry in the world. Garland did miss the stretch.

516
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Speaker 3: I think they can get better offensively. I think they

517
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Speaker 3: can all touch it a little bit more. I think

518
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,440
Speaker 3: the ball can be shared a little bit more amongst

519
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 3: their really really, really really talented top five, So nowhere

520
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Speaker 3: to go but up in my opinion, So yeah, I

521
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Speaker 3: think they have the potential to get up to the

522
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Speaker 3: two seed. I think they could be in the same

523
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Speaker 3: category as the Nets. I think that's that's fair. I

524
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Speaker 3: think you got Celtics box in the East. Those are

525
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,600
Speaker 3: the heavyweight they've shown there the heavyweights. But to me,

526
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 3: this team emulates the Bucks to some degree. Superstar incredible

527
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: defense with incredible height back there. Plus yeah, just a

528
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Speaker 3: scrappy bunch, So I'm buying it.

529
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Speaker 2: They have the third best net rating in the league

530
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 2: at plus four point nine. They blow out a lot

531
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Speaker 2: of teams, like when they get on their runs there

532
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: in games and can put teams away. I am a

533
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Speaker 2: little concerned when I went through that checklist before. This

534
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 2: is a case of a team that like they haven't

535
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 2: done it really together in playoff series and advanced through

536
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 2: rounds and stuff like that. So like, are we getting

537
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Speaker 2: ahead of ourselves by trying to like slock them all

538
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,040
Speaker 2: the way into a conference finals. Though that happens with

539
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: teams obviously, Lucas mes Is the Hawks with trad Yon,

540
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 2: like it can happen. But I think you said it,

541
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:48,600
Speaker 2: you slipped it in their test. I think they actually

542
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 2: have to have a very very good regular season record

543
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 2: where they are in the standings for me to put

544
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Speaker 2: them into a Final four contender. Because the Sixers, the Bucks,

545
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 2: the Celtics, the Nets, I mean I can't see them

546
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 2: like they would have to win on the road, you know,

547
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 2: potential game sevens on the road or whatever. Yeah, multiple times.

548
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Speaker 2: I think that's far less likely that they would go

549
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Speaker 2: that far. So but but then again, if they were

550
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Speaker 2: like a second seed, yeah, they'd have some home court

551
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 2: advantage there where they're really really good. I would like

552
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 2: to stick with a playoff lock, though.

553
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Speaker 1: You're sticking with playoff lock if you don't want to

554
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Speaker 1: bump them off to the final four. Flirts, No, because

555
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 1: I think there's four better teams in the Eastern Conference sixers.

556
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Speaker 2: You're putting a head the Calves basically, I think that,

557
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Speaker 2: And I even think like a team like I still

558
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 2: have a little bit of hope in the Miami Heat,

559
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Speaker 2: and I think that'd be an interesting series between the

560
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 2: Heat and the Calves. So I'm so in playoff lock.

561
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Speaker 2: But are you going with Tassie? You actually convinced me.

562
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Speaker 1: I think playoff lock is probably the move here, though

563
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Speaker 1: I could see it making much like a like a

564
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 1: Hawks or a Mads run if if the matchups work

565
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: out perfectly for them, I think that they could definitely

566
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Speaker 1: make a run to the final four. But the playoff

567
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 1: lock is right. This is just a really good team.

568
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: Mitchell's miss time, Garland's miss time, Jared Allen is miss time.

569
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: They're going to upgrade somehow at the trade deadline. It

570
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Speaker 1: certainly feels like but who knows what happens when they

571
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: actually get to the playoffs. Yeah, I think playoff lock

572
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 1: is fine, but their goal should absolutely be to host

573
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Speaker 1: a first round playoff series. They need home court advantage,

574
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Speaker 1: especially over the Sixers, who is the team that they're

575
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Speaker 1: kind of chasing them right now that they're in the

576
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: mixed force of I think you definitely want to host

577
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Speaker 1: a four or five series against Philadelphia if possible.

578
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Speaker 2: I also love that we now have at least one

579
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Speaker 2: team in every tier.

580
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Speaker 1: Does look good, It does look really nice.

581
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Speaker 2: All right, Well, where are we going to be doubling up?

582
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Speaker 1: I think we know where we're doubling up on this one.

583
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Speaker 1: It's the Detroit Pistons twelve and thirty three. They are

584
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Speaker 1: fourteenth in the Eastern Conference, twenty fourth in offense, twenty

585
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: ninth in defense. Preseason, we had them.

586
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Speaker 2: In Area fifty one.

587
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 1: A team to get excited about. Yep, with all their

588
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,440
Speaker 1: young guys, the addition to boy On Bogdanovic. Kate Cunningham

589
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: obviously is hurt right now for the rest of the season.

590
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: Didn't light the league on fire when he was back,

591
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Speaker 1: but Boyon has been good keeping him in the area

592
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Speaker 1: fifty one.

593
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Speaker 2: Yes we are, yeah, yes, yes we are. I do

594
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Speaker 2: remember in that preseason show there was some debate because

595
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: we were like getting a little excited about like could

596
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 2: they be knocking on the door of a play in

597
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: game and is it the magic or is it the

598
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 2: Pistons that are gonna be in that tier above Area

599
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Speaker 2: fifty one. But in the end we rightfully of course

600
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 2: kept him in that bottom tier. And you know, the

601
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 2: Cad injury was a yeah, obviously very deflating, but this

602
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: is the right spot, Kelly, and Hayes is playing better.

603
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: You know, maybe you're you might counter with like who cares?

604
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Speaker 2: These are a bunch of like a dozen matter games

605
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 2: with them, but look, he's still super young, and he

606
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: had a nice like last quarter of this season, you know,

607
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 2: like you know, started slow, but over this last twenty games,

608
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: he looks really solid for them. So Area fifty one.

609
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Speaker 3: Though, no doubt, I'm surprised that they are second in

610
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Speaker 3: the league defensively, just sort of anecdotally watching this team,

611
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: they feel like they play hard and and they get

612
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 3: after it. Obviously, it's stinks they don't have their best players, So.

613
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Speaker 4: How can we move them?

614
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: We can't.

615
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 3: And it also stinks that Kate Cunningham can't play with

616
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Speaker 3: Jade and Ivy just for no chemistry camaraderie sake. It

617
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Speaker 3: would be nice for those two to get it moving together.

618
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Speaker 3: It feels like this is a tough team to beat

619
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Speaker 3: and they bring it every night, but they don't have

620
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Speaker 3: their best ball handler. Yeah, some team's got to be

621
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Speaker 3: the worst teams.

622
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Speaker 4: Unfortunately, one of them.

623
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Speaker 1: Is the Detroit Pistons, and one of them we thought

624
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Speaker 1: would be the Indiana Pacers. This is one of our

625
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: biggest whiffs. I took huge, had them an area fifty one.

626
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Speaker 1: They are currently twenty three and nineteen seventh in the

627
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference. On offense, they're down to thirteenth after a

628
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: really hot start to the year. Their defense is nineteenth.

629
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,719
Speaker 1: Look incredible, right now, I thought you just woke up

630
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: like that. You didn't have to do anything to it.

631
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Speaker 1: But styling on him. Where we're gonna put the Indiana

632
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: Pacers here? Man, there's seventh now. So if they're at

633
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: the absolute top of the play in, I think they

634
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: could at least hang in the play in. It'll what

635
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 1: they decide to do. At the trade deadline. But if

636
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: Buddy Heal gets moved, Miles Turner actually getting moved would

637
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,080
Speaker 1: tank their defense because he's basically the entirety of their defense.

638
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: But it feels like.

639
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 1: They'll at least be able to score for the rest

640
00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: of the season with Haliburton running the show, with Mathern

641
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: being able to score sometimes efficiently, at least productively, there

642
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 1: should be a decent offensive team. But if Myles Turner's gone,

643
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: they will be stinks on defense.

644
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Speaker 2: Yeah, where do you want to slot this team?

645
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Speaker 4: Play for sure playing Okay?

646
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. You're not You're not going

647
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: playoff lock by any means, because we don't even know.

648
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Speaker 3: What those going to look We don't know what it's

649
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: going to look like. And that was is a predominant

650
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: factor in our preseason rankings. Yeah right, just thinking, Okay,

651
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 3: their talent is solid at a couple of positions. We

652
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 3: didn't know Ben Mathern would be this good, but we

653
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 3: knew that Miles Turner would be solid, Tyre's Halliburton would

654
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 3: be solid, and we thought, well, Tyres alburn is gonna

655
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 3: be by himself pretty soon, and so Matherne has obviously

656
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 3: come along and just one of the best watches in

657
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 3: the NBA. Offensively, how they share it, it ain't quite

658
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen Spurs, but sometimes it is. It's it's awesome

659
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 3: to watch. So who knows what happens with Tyre's Halliburton's

660
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 3: injury as well.

661
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 4: That's a big factor.

662
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: That's a big factor.

663
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 3: He is the glue on this team. So it's a

664
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 3: it's a TBD, but like you said, like Trey said,

665
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 3: they should still be good offensively. Defensively is a question

666
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 3: because this Miles Turner scenario is is a little wild.

667
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 3: Mere months ago, we talked about this guy basically auditioning

668
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,720
Speaker 3: to him or to other teams on a podcast on

669
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 3: the WOJ podcast, saying, if I was the Lakers, I'd

670
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 3: be looking at this guy, you know, two thumbs pointing

671
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 3: at myself. But now he's talking extension with this team.

672
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's up for debate. But there's some

673
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 3: solid teams in the East. There's that hasn't have notes

674
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 3: are starting to separate themselves. And we've talked about five teams,

675
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: but sorry, once we get to the sixth, we all

676
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: have five teams that are flirts, and that makes it

677
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 3: tough to be a playoff lock for teams like the Pacers.

678
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't be mad seeing Tyre's Heliburton in a play

679
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 2: in game, like a win in your in type thing.

680
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: I mean, guy's clutch and he's not afraid of the moment.

681
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's where I'm slotting them. Though, as as

682
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 2: task as you put at this, we get some separation

683
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 2: between the really good teams and then sort of the

684
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 2: average teams and teams holding on. But yeah, I thought

685
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: they were going to be the worst team in the league.

686
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 2: I remember saying that. So I was dead wrong on

687
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 2: that hell of a job from Rick Carlisle. And yeah,

688
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: Mathon was amazing right out of the gate. Heliburton's playing

689
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 2: on an all star level, and Heel despite being in

690
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 2: trade rumors, you know, ball out for the most part

691
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: when they're out there. I got a bunch of Canadians.

692
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: What was I doing to think? What was I betting

693
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 2: against the Canadians and them? Hard duarte, stupid of me,

694
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, what a season for them. I mean like

695
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: they could lose every game from here on out and

696
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 2: still like a pretty damn good season.

697
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: Super exciting. Yeah, great start. We're only halfway through the

698
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: Eastern so far. So yeah, this one's actually I feel

699
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: like gonna be one of the lengthier ones. This is

700
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: a confusing team. I do think the Miami Heat twenty

701
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: two and twenty eighth in the Eastern Conference in abysmal.

702
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: Twenty fifth on the offensive end of the court, but

703
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: of course they're fifth in defense. In the preseason, we

704
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: had them as Final four flirts, and if I'm remembering right,

705
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a bone throw because

706
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: they were a shot away from making the NBA finals.

707
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: Yep. Last season.

708
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't feel like the Heat. The Heat to me need

709
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: the perfect matchups. They're gonna be an impossible out in

710
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: the playoffs, But the idea of them scoring enough points

711
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 1: in two straight series to making it to the conference

712
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: finals is a bit far fetched to me.

713
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 5: I think they're more of just a playoff lock too,

714
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 5: So going down a notch, I think you definitely have

715
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 5: to knock them down one notch because I don't I

716
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:19,279
Speaker 5: don't even know if.

717
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: They're a lock.

718
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 3: How how does our tier system work? Do we need

719
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 3: to have six teams? Do we have to have six

720
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 3: teams in the playoff lock or above category, or we're

721
00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:32,800
Speaker 3: gonna have a we're gonna have more than six playoff

722
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 3: locks because if the Heat make it. If Heat make it,

723
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 3: then the Knicks aren't making it. I guess that's that's

724
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: that's the only that's the only other team that is.

725
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: They would jump the Pacers in seventh right now in

726
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: this and the Knicks in sixth.

727
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 4: So yeah, so so all right, I just want.

728
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: To are a better team than the New York Knicks.

729
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 2: It's all said and done in a playoff series.

730
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 3: Well, in a playoff series, you know, they got to

731
00:34:55,440 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 3: get there. Listen, the Knicks have way more offensive weapons.

732
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:02,720
Speaker 1: Right, No, that is weird to say.

733
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: But it is true.

734
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,720
Speaker 3: It is weird to say, and they have an identity. Now, yeah,

735
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 3: did the Heat have the best player amongst those two teams?

736
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 4: Absolutely?

737
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, as great as a bunch of Brunson's been.

738
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: That's the thing with the Heat, Like you look at

739
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 2: all their stats, you look at their shitty offense, you

740
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: look where they are, how they've disappointed. You know, I'd

741
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 2: like to see Bam now, you know, putting it together.

742
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 2: He was like non existent for the first month of

743
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 2: the season. Lowry's had a brutal year. They might trade

744
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 2: him if you believe the trade rumors out there he's

745
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 2: going to be on the Dallas Mavericks. Maybe who's coming

746
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: back at Dorian Phinney Smith, A bullog, I don't know,

747
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: a Tim Hardaway junior. But then you watch Heat games

748
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: and you get into crunch time and you see Jimmy

749
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: Butler take over a game for three minutes, and you're like, oh, yeah,

750
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 2: he's done this before on playoff teams, including this Miami

751
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: Heat team is like, God, that guy. If the game

752
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,280
Speaker 2: is tight enough, you can win you games and potentially

753
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 2: I guess series. And that's where That's where I'm always

754
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 2: caught in between, like this team sort of sucks, and

755
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 2: then I watch them and I'm like, why why do

756
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: they suck? Because BAM's awesome, Jimmy's awesome. I mean, obviously

757
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: a lowry fans might out bad he's been but hero

758
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 2: can change games. They're well coached, they've made far runs.

759
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 2: So I am all over the map on this team.

760
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 2: I mean I literally am from where we had them

761
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 2: in the preseason, like seeing how they could make a

762
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: finals conference finals run to now, Jesus, can they even

763
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 2: make the play in? Can they hold on? Yeah? It's

764
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: a tough call.

765
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: Fifteen and thirteen with Jimmy Butler on the floor, I

766
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: would have guessed, actually a better record When he's playing,

767
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: it feels like, I don't know, we probably get really

768
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: excited about every time he drags them to a win

769
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: and just chalk it up as a surprising loss every

770
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,360
Speaker 1: time they lose. I think, so the Heat are going

771
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:46,879
Speaker 1: to be a better playoff team than regular season team.

772
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 1: That's a team that will guarantee win a play in

773
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: game if they get put into it, right right, I'm

774
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,000
Speaker 1: willing to put him in the playoff lock because I

775
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: think if they get the seventh seed, they will win

776
00:36:57,160 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: and then they will make the real play. Oh ok

777
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: that's a side door, the side door into the Playoff'm

778
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: signing with the side door you're going through the garage.

779
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: That's exactly That door's always opened side Okay, yeah, yeah.

780
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're talking man.

781
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:13,399
Speaker 2: You can't.

782
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 1: Nobody wants to pick against the Heat. It is they

783
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: always overperformed. They haven't overperformed yet, but the season is young.

784
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 1: How about the Milwaukee Bucks twenty seven and fourteen, third

785
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference, twenty third only in offense, third

786
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: of course in defense. We had them as an NBA

787
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: Finals contender in our pre season tiers. Big concern with

788
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: the Bucks is they look pretty bad offensively in the

789
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 1: half court. Giannis has taken it upon himself to be

790
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: their lead guy with Chris Middleton missing a huge chunk

791
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: of time.

792
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 2: Yep, and he's struggling a little bit.

793
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean, Giannis is still putting up MVP numbers, but

794
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 1: not the best numbers of his career. His effective field

795
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 1: goal percentage is way way low, and the more he

796
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: has to do, the more he has to do, which

797
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: adds up over the course of a season. So, like

798
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: I said, I still think the Bucks are a finals contender.

799
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: I had him as my championship pick earlier, but I

800
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: would put him behind the Celtics right now.

801
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 2: I don't like this Chris Middleton having only played seven

802
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: games at this point and you know, not there right now.

803
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: I think I just read before we went live that

804
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 2: he's gonna go play for the uh Wisconsin Herd, going

805
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: a little leaguer, get those reps and maybe and then

806
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: you'd be back soon. In theory, but like, he is important, man,

807
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: that guy's you gotta lock him in for twenty points

808
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: every game. He can go off for those forty point games.

809
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: He can operate obviously at the three point line and

810
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 2: then to the free throw line. Puts a little pressure.

811
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,880
Speaker 2: I mean just it takes pressure off you, honest to

812
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 2: do everything I said it. And then watching them last

813
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 2: night against the Hawks, even they are very Mavericks like

814
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 2: this team right now, he is the Luca and you

815
00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: just pray all those shots are falling from the three

816
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: point shooters. That's what the look's gonna be with the

817
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: way teams load up on those superstars in Luca and Giannis,

818
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: and it's like when they're falling, they look convincible and

819
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: then they dry up. It's like, what's the second plan here?

820
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,240
Speaker 2: So you know, a better defense though obviously than Dallas

821
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: that I believe in with Brooke and Giannis there as

822
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 2: you're big guys. And I still have him as a

823
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 2: final contender. I mean I'm not moving them despite them

824
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 2: not playing great right now and the Middleton injury.

825
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, Giannis wants other guys to step up, There's no doubt,

826
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 3: and it should be Chris Middleton and it should be soon.

827
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 3: He is playing quote significant five on five, not just

828
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 3: light five on five down there with the Herd with

829
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 3: the G League team so he should be back. And

830
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 3: I think if you're looking at it positively, you look

831
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 3: back at what happened with Brook Lopez last year. He

832
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,439
Speaker 3: almost missed seventy games to start the season, came back

833
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: and helped his team in the playoffs. So maybe they

834
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: know what they're doing with injuries. But it's it's really

835
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 3: on Chris. I do like Joe Ingles and the way

836
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 3: he's looked, but he's not getting to the rim. That's

837
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 3: not his You can't rely on him a lot. And

838
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 3: so Chris Middleton is yeah, very very very important on

839
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 3: this team. And I guess the other worri is just

840
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: along with Chris Middleton, you throw Brook in there, you

841
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 3: throw Drew in there, like will they all be able

842
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 3: to hold up through the through the postseason. They're a

843
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 3: little older on the other season. So the size of

844
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 3: thirty it to me it feels like we're getting a

845
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 3: young Boston Celtics up against the oldie or Milwaukee Bucks

846
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: at some point, and that's a that's a storyline.

847
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, I think this is a team that will

848
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: make a move here before the deadline too. Not a

849
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 2: huge move obviously, you're not moving one of those big

850
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 2: pieces to the Bucks here, but they need, in my opinion,

851
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 2: some athleticism, some some youthfulness, maybe even in the wing position.

852
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: And you know they have bow champion. He looks fine

853
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 2: at times. I think they asked him to do a

854
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: little too much, especially with Middleton being out. But I

855
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: think they might tinker around the edges because they're a

856
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 2: smart front office and you got you honestly, I got

857
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: a chance to win the chip. I mean, that's where

858
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 2: you're at with this team. So I think they'll do something.

859
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: I don't know what, but I think they will.

860
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 1: Yep, I'm with you. There's still a championship contender and

861
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: they can still be better, and they'll probably do something

862
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 1: to upgrade a little bit. New York next twenty three

863
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 1: and nineteen sixth in the Eastern Conference, currently eighth on

864
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, tenth in defense. In

865
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 1: the preseason, we had them as a play in potential team.

866
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 1: This was a little dicey. Here are the Knicks gonna

867
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 1: hold on to a top six seed for the rest

868
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: of the season and no tasks. The biggest Quenton Grinds

869
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 1: fan I know is saying, yes.

870
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 3: Betcha, I think if we can throw the heat in

871
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 3: the playoff lockategory. I think the Knicks got to be

872
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 3: there because it took them a while to understand who

873
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 3: they are and so that was dicey to start the season.

874
00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 3: And the fact that they found that here in the

875
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: second half of the first half, the last quarter here,

876
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 3: that bodes well for the second half. Jalen Brunson is

877
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,480
Speaker 3: an all star level player. Whether whether or not he

878
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,280
Speaker 3: makes it or not, he's play. He's made Julius Randall

879
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 3: better because he takes so much pressure off him. They

880
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: found a guy in Grimes, they found a bench now

881
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:03,320
Speaker 3: Mitch Robinson somehow stays healthy. Maybe the Heat's high ceiling

882
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: is a little bit higher than the Knicks. But this

883
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,560
Speaker 3: team solid. You can you know, harken back to the

884
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,760
Speaker 3: old Tibbs days. Just a solid lunch box type team.

885
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 3: And why can't they be a five hundred team. I

886
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 3: don't see them falling off. I don't see the TIBs.

887
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 3: Teams that have bought in don't fall off in the

888
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 3: same season anyway. So I think they'll be there.

889
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: Yep. I have them as a playoff lock too. I

890
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,879
Speaker 2: believe enough that they're in there. I mean they're right there,

891
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 2: like a team with Miami Heat, like you said, and

892
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: you know they're they're Butler is Brunson. They need Mitchell

893
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:39,640
Speaker 2: Robinson to always play. I always say this, so you

894
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 2: know I'm always holding my breath when he gets injured next.

895
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: But they're top ten on both sides of the floor

896
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 2: offensive and defensive rating. That's huge. And you've got all

897
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 2: starlight guys. Yeah, this is a playoff team. This team

898
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 2: is better than your Hawks, your Raptors, your Bulls, your Wizards,

899
00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 2: probably your Pacers. Like they're they're they're a tiny step

900
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 2: above those teams to me, So playoff, lock yeap, lock

901
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: them in.

902
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 1: It's also cool that Tommy Tibbs is playing everybody that

903
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 1: everybody wanted them to play, Like Quickly plays a Tony

904
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: plays a ton They're playing the young guys, topping his

905
00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: guests back from injury now right, he's jumm back yep.

906
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: So that's good, good stuff.

907
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,760
Speaker 3: And they're thirteen and six in their last twenty three games.

908
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 3: That it was a bad start, waitecond hold on, that

909
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 3: was bad math.

910
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: What happens in the other four games?

911
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was bad.

912
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: Thirteen and six in their last nineteen Yes, football, sorry,

913
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: sorry about that. I was doing it on the fly.

914
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: But they started ten and thirteen and ten and six.

915
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 3: Since they've gotten a lot better, they know what's up.

916
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,760
Speaker 3: Surprisingly hot team thirteen and six. Sorry numbers go ahead.

917
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: Thirteen plus six equals nine teen. Here's our ninth team

918
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 1: to talk about, ish the Orlando Magic. They're eleventh, thirteenth

919
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference.

920
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: Sixteen and twenty six.

921
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: They've been racking up wins lately, twenty sixth in offense,

922
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,680
Speaker 1: twenty fifth in defense. We had him in the area

923
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,280
Speaker 1: fifth you one tier before the season. They've gotten hot recently.

924
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: This might be the team that plays spoiler down the stretch.

925
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 2: Oh, I like that.

926
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 1: There's always one team that like it. It's usually the

927
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: Sacramento Kings when playoff season have been determined and they

928
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: just start winning games because they maybe overlooked.

929
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 2: Perhaps that's Orlando. They've had a cool season, had a

930
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: cool season. I think. I think they're like a team

931
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: that a lot of people like to watch with Franz

932
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: and Paolo and uh, you know, Wendell junior ball and

933
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,319
Speaker 2: he gets back and Jonathan iisa if he ever plays again,

934
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 2: like Foltse is a nice story. No one talks about

935
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 2: him because you know he plays in Orlando and they

936
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: don't win a ton of games. But he's having a

937
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 2: decent year here. Uh that's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah, he

938
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,839
Speaker 2: won Rookie of the Year after literally eight games. After

939
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 2: Mathurin started to cool down, it was already much. Yeah.

940
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 2: I like that they'll probably play spoiler, but I don't

941
00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: think they're going to get into a to a play

942
00:44:58,000 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 2: in games though they're not that far beyond I guess

943
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,440
Speaker 2: I don't think they'll they'll win it there not far

944
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: behind a handful of games, but keep them in, keep

945
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 2: them in the Uh hey, look, if they have a

946
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 2: chance at the number one pick, they're gonna win it,

947
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: because that's all in Orlando Magic.

948
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: Like.

949
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: They could have like the tenth best odds and they'll

950
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: probably win this thing. How many times they won it

951
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 2: with the Shack and Dwight and Pallo obviously and who

952
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: else am I forgetting? They win it one more Shack, Dwight,

953
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: Chris Webber. They won back to back years, right Shack

954
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: and the Grist Webber, but they traded it. I actually

955
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:29,879
Speaker 2: hope that the Orlando Magic at the number two pick.

956
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,479
Speaker 2: I've been saying for a while they need a point guard.

957
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: Scoot Henderson alongside Franz and Spicy think they have the guts.

958
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: Do you think they have the guts to pick Scoot

959
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: at one?

960
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 4: Wow?

961
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: Wow? Have you thought about that?

962
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 3: They could trade trade, trade down one and get Scoot.

963
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 3: Scoot is impressing out trading down. That's exactly what they

964
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 3: did with Chris Weber, right, They're like, we already got

965
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,280
Speaker 3: a big guy, let's trade down and get Penny Hardaway

966
00:45:55,960 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 3: do it again? Went to a finals? Ye, all right,

967
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 3: So we were keeping them though in the in the

968
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 3: area fifty to one.

969
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, a good story.

970
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 3: If they do fight for a play and only three

971
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,120
Speaker 3: games back of the Bulls right now, it would be

972
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 3: oh yeah.

973
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 2: But final week or two of the season, like the yeah,

974
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: you got to you know, string together three wins to

975
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 2: maybe be a ten seed or something.

976
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: That for sure, they've got so many of the internet's

977
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 3: favorite players. They're stacking them up here left and right.

978
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: I think Wendell Carter Junior, I know he's not I

979
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: love him. He's just so solid. Yeah, and they just

980
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 3: got him back. So yeah, they're a lot upset some teams.

981
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: Three dreams remain in the Eastern Conference. The next one

982
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 1: for the tier maker the Philadelphia seventy six ers, twenty

983
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: five and fifteen. Fourth currently in the Eastern Conference. They're

984
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 1: ninth in offense, they're fourth in defense. In the preseason,

985
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: we had them as a championship contender. Good, yes, and

986
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: I think they should stay there. Even though it was

987
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: a slow start to the year for Philadelphia. We found

988
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: out Embiid had planner fasciitis over the summer, he got hurt, eventually,

989
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 1: James Harden got hurt, eventually, Tyres Maxie got hurt.

990
00:46:58,480 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: Eventually.

991
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: Top ten on all sides of the ball, and they've

992
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: been really good basically since Embiid came back from his injury.

993
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 1: So I think they stay in the top tier, fourth best.

994
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 2: Team in the league when it comes to net rating,

995
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 2: you know, right below the Cavs. Yeah, they ain't going anywhere.

996
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 2: I'm glad we had them in that top tier. I

997
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 2: think they're the most overlooked team actually in the league

998
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,879
Speaker 2: right now. You're right, I feel like we never talk

999
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 2: about them. They've recently been taking care of business, just

1000
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 2: hammering teams like bad teams, but like killing them. They're

1001
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: good and hardening Embiid. Man, that's a hell of a

1002
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 2: one too for teams to try and figure out their

1003
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: pick and roll action there, and that's awesome with the

1004
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 2: top five defense. So yeah, they're not moving, they're still

1005
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 2: one of the better teams in the league.

1006
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 3: And they look like they'd be better in the playoffs

1007
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 3: just the way that they're they're set up. I know

1008
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 3: you probably wouldn't think about that both those guys, So yes, yes, yes, yes, yes,

1009
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 3: but they can slow it down like they like to,

1010
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: but they can speed it up and so they can

1011
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: play multiple ways. They have had these injuries you mentioned

1012
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 3: so well, so it would be impossible to drop them

1013
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: from that category. They are just a ridiculously solid team,

1014
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 3: and you wouldn't say that about a hardened team. But

1015
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:15,439
Speaker 3: he does deserve some All Star buzz and he's played well.

1016
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: And a part of the slow start too, was all

1017
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 2: those guys they made the moves for in the offseason.

1018
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 2: You know, they were struggling, and I'm talking about Melton

1019
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,120
Speaker 2: and you know Tucker there, and you know they weren't

1020
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 2: playing well and I think that was having an effect

1021
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,760
Speaker 2: on their win loss record. So now now that everyone

1022
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: again they've slotted in, nobody's talking about them. They're humming

1023
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: along here and they're gonna be They're gonna be a

1024
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,279
Speaker 2: hell of a matchup for whoever they got to play

1025
00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: in a playoff series or two. But look, we got

1026
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 2: a couple of teams in the Eastern Conference that are

1027
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 2: gonna be very disappointed at the end of the year

1028
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:46,920
Speaker 2: when they don't make a conference finals and you're like,

1029
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,879
Speaker 2: a little what happened we lost in the second round again?

1030
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 2: Oh shit, we'll get a pivot here.

1031
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: They got they got to move up to standings as well.

1032
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 3: I think they'd have to hold on to home court

1033
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:59,319
Speaker 3: if they have any hope of making the finals, and

1034
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:02,879
Speaker 3: that they're on the fence right now. They're teetering there.

1035
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 3: They're tied for fourth right now, so I think get again.

1036
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 3: They handle the injuries so well that it bodes well

1037
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 3: for the second half that they should move up. And yeah,

1038
00:49:13,840 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: they've just been biding their time until the playoffs. And

1039
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 3: we got to remember, yeah, Joel Embiid, it's gonna have

1040
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 3: to win a couple of series more than he has

1041
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 3: in the He's never made a conference finals. So it's

1042
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: like the Calves, this is a lot to overcome for

1043
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: them too. So it was a win three series when

1044
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 3: they've only won one.

1045
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 2: But what's different from the Calves is they have expectations

1046
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: the Sixers too. Where the Calves, I mean if they

1047
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: lose in a I mean, it'd be a bad ending

1048
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 2: to a year. But like people aren't trying to say

1049
00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: like oh title or bus. But the Calves are so young.

1050
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 2: Look at this nucleus. This is like, come on, put

1051
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: up or shut up? Right, get to a Commons finals

1052
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,920
Speaker 2: at the very least, and maybe even a chance of

1053
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 2: the finals.

1054
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 1: Up next to Toronto Raptors eighteen and twenty three. They're

1055
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,560
Speaker 1: eleventh in the Eastern Conference, fourteenth in offense, fifteenth in

1056
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: defense in the preseas, and we had them as a

1057
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: playoff lock. O.

1058
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 2: Somebody told me to hit the over. Yeah yeah, I

1059
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: didn't dorry, but I remember we talked about that over

1060
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 2: understat when it came to the wraps. It was always like,

1061
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: always hit the over, they always win forty eight plus game.

1062
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:17,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1063
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 3: Well, if you had listened to me the last eleven

1064
00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 3: years when I said it, right, yeah.

1065
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,359
Speaker 2: That's fine. Oh yeah, They're not a playoff lock by

1066
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: any means. Oh man, I don't think we're dipping them

1067
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: all the way down to an area fifty one. So

1068
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 2: if Messi Useri and Bobby Webster were to blow up

1069
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,399
Speaker 2: this team in the next couple of weeks, moving off

1070
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: of Van Vleet, moving off of Gary, moving off an Og.

1071
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 2: Suddenly Sakam's got Planter fasciitis. Sit him down, Like I

1072
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 2: guess then in theory they could get down there. They're

1073
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: not that far removed from those very bad teams. I

1074
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 2: guess they're record wise, but I think playing potential is

1075
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,840
Speaker 2: where I'm putting them and not feeling great about it.

1076
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 2: All that sucks.

1077
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're a mid team, middle of the pack offensively defensively,

1078
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: which is a little surprising and the most unfortunate part

1079
00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 3: when watching them that their defense is bad, that they

1080
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:17,360
Speaker 3: aren't driving that sometimes after makes, multiple times after makes

1081
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: they get all scrambled and don't know who to cover.

1082
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 3: And this team, this team, that's the surprising part, that

1083
00:51:26,080 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 3: they're middle of the pack offensively while trying to push

1084
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 3: Scottie Barnes into a bigger role.

1085
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 4: I guess it's not that.

1086
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: Surprise because they don't have any shooters, especially if Van Vliet,

1087
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 2: one of your better shooters, has struggled all year. Yeah,

1088
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 2: you're right, it's the defense. They have no identity, which

1089
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 2: is surprising because the Raptor's identity was always nobody wants

1090
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: to play us because we're switchy, switchy, switchy or a nightmare. Defensively,

1091
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 2: we're everywhere and we'll stay in a lot of games

1092
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: because of that, and that's not been the case this year.

1093
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 3: No, So yeah, we're using this program called tear Maker

1094
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:02,399
Speaker 3: to use our tears and throw them in the right categories.

1095
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 3: This team has been making me make tears plenty of

1096
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 3: this season. Scotty, Scotty especially and Freddy. They're not smiling,

1097
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 3: they're making themselves cry. I think there's not a lot

1098
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,799
Speaker 3: of joy on that team, not like last year.

1099
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:21,800
Speaker 4: So many smiles last year.

1100
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: Very much smilier last year, I would have to agree. Unfortunately,

1101
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: play in Potential seems like the right place for the Raptors,

1102
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: and I'm guessing our last team as well. The Washington

1103
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: Wizard's currently eighteen and twenty four. They're twelfth in the

1104
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: Eastern Conference, twenty second in offense, thirteenth in defense. We

1105
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: had them as a play and potential team before the season.

1106
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 2: Don't think much has changed.

1107
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: Seems like another classic Wizard season, right, Oh my god?

1108
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: Is it ever? Hey? Look the question is is the

1109
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 2: Lon right playing. If he's playing, they're a championship contender,

1110
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 2: a records nine and four, I said on this morning's podcast,

1111
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,920
Speaker 2: when he plays. But yeah, I mean I think every

1112
00:53:00,040 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: time I watch the Wizards now, I'm like, they just

1113
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 2: need to trade Bradley Beal because they're not any better

1114
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: when Bradley Beal plays. In fact, it feels like the

1115
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 2: opposite half the time. So you know, in and off

1116
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 2: season or whatever, and a team is ready to make

1117
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 2: a big splashy move and get an All NBA All

1118
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 2: Star like guy and Beale that can still fill it up.

1119
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: It's still a great player, don't get me wrong, but like,

1120
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 2: just go get some young picks and draft picks from Bale.

1121
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 2: But yeah, they're playing. I mean they'll they'll be there,

1122
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,800
Speaker 2: but it's like the worst spot for them, and they're

1123
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 2: there all the time. I feel like they've played in

1124
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 2: every play in tournament we've ever had.

1125
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't I can't wait to see what they

1126
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 3: do at the deadline because it would be a very

1127
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 3: wizardry thing to think we got KU's playing.

1128
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,040
Speaker 2: Well, we'll just keep them extended.

1129
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,800
Speaker 3: Into a team that could literally be a lottery team.

1130
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, their whole thing is like Bille Porzingis and Kuzma,

1131
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,720
Speaker 2: they've barely played together. Wait do we see it happen?

1132
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 2: But it never happens. It's a game or soon. Someone's

1133
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 2: always hurt. But yeah, they should trade Kuzma. They should

1134
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 2: potentially trade Will Barton, who's an expiring deal. They they

1135
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 2: should do something here for for like even the immediate future,

1136
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 2: like the next year or two, because there are there's

1137
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 2: some talent on the team. I mean, they whiffed on

1138
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: their draft pick by all accounts, like Johnny have even

1139
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:25,600
Speaker 2: heard Johnny Davis's name been said, and this year is

1140
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 2: even injured. I don't even know he plays.

1141
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,879
Speaker 3: He has oldies play over him plenty of times. He's

1142
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 3: deep in the queue unfortunately for the Wizards. Yeah, and

1143
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 3: as much as I'm a Ruy fan and a Denny fan,

1144
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 3: they have not taken this team to the next level.

1145
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 4: And yeah they did.

1146
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 3: They literally have a question mark at every position. Bradley

1147
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 3: Beal went went on Gilbert Arenas and Josiah Johnson Show

1148
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:51,879
Speaker 3: and said, I signed here, but you know, there weren't

1149
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:55,760
Speaker 3: really any other options. So it's like or Zengis is injured,

1150
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: Kyle Kuzma may not be there. You go up and

1151
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:01,839
Speaker 3: down the roster. Monty Morris has been solid, but yeah,

1152
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: do you blow it up?

1153
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 2: Is still has a no trade clause too, doesn't Yes,

1154
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 2: he does, Yes, thank you for bringing that. That's a

1155
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 2: that's a that's an interesting look there. Yeah.

1156
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, he'll sitards. Yeah, but he just he just wants

1157
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 3: to dictate what team he Yes.

1158
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: He does believe. But we love the pink Unies. Oh,

1159
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:28,760
Speaker 1: the Blossoms, Bradley Blossoms. All right, So here's our tiers

1160
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: in the Eastern Conference, our finals, championship contenders. We've got

1161
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: the Celtics, we got the Bucks, we got the Sixers,

1162
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: the Nets kind.

1163
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:37,280
Speaker 2: Of in a holding pattern.

1164
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 1: This is like the upgraded version of putting him in

1165
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,759
Speaker 1: play in potential, because we're like, who knows, who knows

1166
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: what the nuts? Our playoff locks additional playoff locks are

1167
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: the Calves, the Heat and the Knicks. Our playing potential

1168
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:53,359
Speaker 1: teams the Hawks, Bulls, Pacers, Raptors and Wizards, and our

1169
00:55:53,400 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: lowest tier the Area fifty one teams, the Hornets, the Pistons,

1170
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 1: and the Magic task. You we're talking do we have

1171
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 1: to have the perfect number of teams and Honestly, I

1172
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: think we nailed it here because we've got four teams

1173
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: up top in the Celtics, the Bucks, and the Sixers

1174
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 1: and Nets seem like playoff teams. They will be actual

1175
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: playoff locks. One of the Calves, Heat and Knicks is

1176
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,799
Speaker 1: gonna fall into the play in tournament. One of them

1177
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: will make it to the playoffs. Er go there a lock,

1178
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 1: and then one of these teams in the play and

1179
00:56:20,680 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: potential between the Hawks, Bulls, Pacers, Raptors, and Wizards will

1180
00:56:24,040 --> 00:56:26,760
Speaker 1: be our final playoffs. Okay, they will be the eighth

1181
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 1: seed and the Boston Celtics better not hope it is

1182
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: the Chicago.

1183
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 2: Eight over one.

1184
00:56:32,719 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: It's been done before.

1185
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: But stick around.

1186
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a quick break here. Sorry, Ski, it's

1187
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 1: I'm stealing the toss to the break here.

1188
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 2: Man.

1189
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: I'm feeling good, feeling good right now, feeling top tier myself,

1190
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: just like our advertisers.

1191
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 2: Advertisers all right back in the Classic Factory, the podcast

1192
00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 2: for the true sickos. This is a long one whole baby.

1193
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,600
Speaker 2: We got a whole conference still to do. Ranking all

1194
00:57:01,640 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: of the teams at the NBA's halfway point into five

1195
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 2: tiers championship contenders final four flirts. Playoff locks play on

1196
00:57:09,200 --> 00:57:11,640
Speaker 2: potential in area fifty one, which is the tanking for

1197
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 2: the Alien Victor Womanana Tankers. So there's the Eastern Conference.

1198
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 2: Let's do the West. We're gonna fly through these ones.

1199
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,560
Speaker 1: Sure, lie through these ones take just as long as

1200
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: the first YEP block. Anyways, the Dallas Mavericks first on

1201
00:57:25,320 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 1: our list, twenty three and nineteen fifth in the Western Conference.

1202
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: They are seventh in offense, they are twenty third in defense.

1203
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:35,440
Speaker 1: In the preseason, we said they are a playoff lock.

1204
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: I remember this being a hotly debated one because Mavericks

1205
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:40,040
Speaker 1: went to.

1206
00:57:40,080 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: The final fourth last year.

1207
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 1: Nobody calls it that for the NBA, but they did

1208
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: go to the Western Conference finals. The pitches, Yeah, the

1209
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,560
Speaker 1: same exact thing could happen pretty much is what you

1210
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: would have to be thinking. If you're Dallas, I'm gonna

1211
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: happy keeping where they're at in the playoff lock category.

1212
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 3: Lucas good enough to get him in a playoff lock category.

1213
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,919
Speaker 3: I think they are seeing what the allowing of Jalen

1214
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 3: Brunson to go to the Knicks is.

1215
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 4: How it hurts them. Yeah, but.

1216
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 3: In that in that scenario where they get to the

1217
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 3: conference finals again, Luca's gonna have to be Jalen Brunson

1218
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 3: in the first round because Jalen Brunson got them basically

1219
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 3: to the second round. You know, it was the help

1220
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,520
Speaker 3: of Luca after coming back from injury. Jalen Brunson was

1221
00:58:18,600 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 3: that guy putting the team on his shoulders. So Lucas

1222
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 3: just got to do it again. That's the unfortunate part

1223
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 3: about these these MAVs. He can't take much time off

1224
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 3: when he has to sit in a playoff game, that

1225
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: might hurt. So keep him healthy, that's the only question mark.

1226
00:58:36,440 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 3: But playoff lock, he's too damn good to take him out.

1227
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 4: Of that spot.

1228
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, we were debating it for sure. I remember I

1229
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 2: was down more on the MAVs than you guys in

1230
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: the preseason, and I think that's where we maybe ultimately decided,

1231
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 2: you know, were they a Final four contender or flirt

1232
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: or were they more of a playing team because there's

1233
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 2: so many good teams in the Western Conference And we

1234
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,439
Speaker 2: settled in the middle on playoff lock because I thought

1235
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: they were gonna miss Jaalen Brunson. I am not a

1236
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: Christian Wood fan, though he has played way better than

1237
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: I thought he would at least offensively for them, and

1238
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: I just was concerned about. Of course, the offense is

1239
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: Luca Luca Luca, and you need these guys Tim Hardaway Junior.

1240
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 2: You need block, you need during face smith to knock

1241
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: down open shots, and they can do it for times,

1242
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,240
Speaker 2: and then they go as cold at times and that

1243
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:21,640
Speaker 2: can lose you some games. So I'm fine with playoff lock.

1244
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 2: I mean, you have Luca. He's he's somehow gone to

1245
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 2: another level despite still having a you know, be a

1246
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 2: very short career. He's gonna be a four time All

1247
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 2: NBA player already or something like that. That's insane. He's awesome.

1248
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:34,920
Speaker 2: I mean many of these are this guy gonna rack up.

1249
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like Spencer Dinwiti. Has he had a

1250
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: good season, do you well? Pretty quiet?

1251
00:59:42,040 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's quiet. But I don't think Luca is gonna fade.

1252
00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 3: I think he did come into this season the healthiest

1253
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 3: he's ever come into the best shape. Yeah, And I

1254
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 3: just don't see that seventh best offense falling off. Where

1255
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,040
Speaker 3: I do see them potentially improving is that twenty third

1256
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 3: best defense, and that has not been good. Obviously. The

1257
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,400
Speaker 3: they are missing Cleban and Dorian Finney. Smith, but last

1258
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 3: year they are far better defensive team. They scrapped harder.

1259
01:00:05,240 --> 01:00:07,880
Speaker 3: Christian Wood being in the lineup, I think is a

1260
01:00:07,880 --> 01:00:10,720
Speaker 3: part of that. That Javal McGee signing has not worked out,

1261
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,600
Speaker 3: But I think they are getting to know what they

1262
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 3: are a little bit better or a little bit more Javail. Sorry,

1263
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 3: it's not gonna work out. Dwight's gonna be in there,

1264
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 3: so I think they can only go up. So I

1265
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 3: think the Locke spot is the right spot.

1266
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm fine with playoff lock and.

1267
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 4: They got upset teams obviously, Well, yeah, that's the thing.

1268
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: There's maybe three teams in the Western Conference where they

1269
01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:38,439
Speaker 1: won't have the best player on the floor, and even

1270
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: then it's going to be debatable. I mean, I thought

1271
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: they were gonna have the best player on the floor

1272
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:42,840
Speaker 1: against the Warriors last season.

1273
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 2: That was not the case.

1274
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:49,440
Speaker 1: But I mean Warriors, Nuggets, and Lakers that's maybe the

1275
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: only players you'll think that as ahead of Luca when

1276
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: it's a playoff series. But we're talking about the rest

1277
01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: of the season. They did get hot last year defensively

1278
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:57,800
Speaker 1: in the second half of the season. It was very

1279
01:00:57,800 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: Celtics like the way they turned it on in the

1280
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:01,600
Speaker 1: second half. It just kind of got overshadowed a little

1281
01:01:01,600 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 1: bit by Boston, I thought. But I think Dallas slight

1282
01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 1: down grade. I think we did we have I know

1283
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: we had him as playoff lock in the preseason. Yeah,

1284
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:11,919
Speaker 1: they're sticking there, same spot. Yeah, that's right.

1285
01:01:12,160 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 2: I mean, look, depends on who they play. But I

1286
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,560
Speaker 2: don't love their chances to win a first round series

1287
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: because I think they're gonna slip a little bit more

1288
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: than you guys do. I like you. I guess Luca

1289
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:24,320
Speaker 2: could continue to do this for another forty games, but

1290
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:26,440
Speaker 2: like you can't. We're almost at the point where he

1291
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 2: can't do much more, right, he has to maintain this

1292
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 2: unbelievable level. The guy is scoring thirty thirty four point

1293
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,320
Speaker 2: two points per game. Do you think he does it

1294
01:01:35,360 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: on the back end of this year? I don't, Yeah,

1295
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 2: I do? You do? Wow, that's amazing. James Harden do it,

1296
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:44,080
Speaker 2: That's amazing. Yeah. And then what happens in the playoffs

1297
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:44,360
Speaker 2: of James.

1298
01:01:44,800 --> 01:01:47,440
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe Lucas already got better a playoff moments, oh.

1299
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,920
Speaker 2: For sure, for sure, for sure, But I don't know.

1300
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: I'm just not I'm not convinced. And they might make

1301
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:56,520
Speaker 2: a move here too at the deadline. Yep, they could

1302
01:01:56,600 --> 01:01:57,080
Speaker 2: use some help.

1303
01:01:57,200 --> 01:02:01,000
Speaker 1: Another MVP candidate's team, the Denver Nuggets twenty eight and thirteen,

1304
01:02:01,720 --> 01:02:05,439
Speaker 1: nice one, first place in the Western Conference. Is this right?

1305
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:08,120
Speaker 1: There's no way I have this information. Rate the Denver

1306
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:13,920
Speaker 1: Nuggets second in offense. I had twenty first accident fat

1307
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: finger there, second in offense, love wear a second here

1308
01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: that looks ridiculous, second offense, fourteenth in defense. In the preseason,

1309
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 1: we had them as NBA championship contenders, two time MVP returning.

1310
01:02:26,360 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: They made some smart moves in the off season, shedding

1311
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 1: money but getting players back who fit really well, especially

1312
01:02:33,640 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: casep Aaron Gordon's having an all star like season, Jamal

1313
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: Murray rounding into form, and then Jokich is maybe gonna

1314
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: win a third straight MVP here. He's been awesome for

1315
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: this team. So I think they stay. I think they're

1316
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:46,440
Speaker 1: still championship contenders.

1317
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 2: I'm happy we had them there in the preseason as

1318
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 2: a kid, super happy they're they're making us look good here.

1319
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,360
Speaker 3: And the way Yokich is allowing others to get involved

1320
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 3: on I know he always does that, but to another level.

1321
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 3: Drop the field goal attempted this year has only made

1322
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,880
Speaker 3: his team better, and he's only going to get his

1323
01:03:05,960 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 3: team a little more polished for the playoff run, just

1324
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 3: to get all those guys involved, because you mentioned all

1325
01:03:12,480 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 3: their moves, they got less deep. They just don't have

1326
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 3: a great bench, a very polished bench. That there's a

1327
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:22,480
Speaker 3: lot on bones, highlands shoulders coming off the bench. But

1328
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 3: the fact that Jogic gets Aaron Gordon involves so much.

1329
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:27,840
Speaker 3: He'll get Porter involved, he gets Morerie involved, he gets

1330
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,280
Speaker 3: KCP involved. That that just votes well for the second

1331
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 3: half of the season and the postseason. And those guys

1332
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 3: like Jamal Murray han't played his best ball yet. Porter

1333
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 3: obviously hasn't played his best ball yet. And they're still

1334
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:43,440
Speaker 3: here on a fifty six win pace. Yea, So it's obviously, uh,

1335
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,280
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a tough team to beat no matter what.

1336
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,280
Speaker 3: And I know we'll talk about a little bit about

1337
01:03:50,320 --> 01:03:53,520
Speaker 3: the media survey and whether the Nuggets are the actual

1338
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 3: favorites in the Western Conference even though they're first. So

1339
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 3: many teams can come out of the West, but I

1340
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 3: guess have to be on top of mind for everybody

1341
01:04:02,320 --> 01:04:04,840
Speaker 3: right now. They've they've proven it and they're only going

1342
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 3: to get better.

1343
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 2: I think yeah. And look, you talk about a team

1344
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 2: having home court advantage, if they are the number one seed,

1345
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 2: they're amazing at home with the mile high attitude and altitude.

1346
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: Both have it both. I was gonna give credit to

1347
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 2: their fans, and I also wanted to give credit to

1348
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:23,439
Speaker 2: the atmosphere.

1349
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1350
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 2: See like actually where they are sea level wise, but

1351
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 2: both are playing parties, you can tell.

1352
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 3: And the TV station altitude.

1353
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 4: So they got.

1354
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,360
Speaker 1: Problems with their TV station. Fix it, Denver can't watch

1355
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:39,320
Speaker 1: their own team for the best stretch that they've had

1356
01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,880
Speaker 1: in the past thirty years. That's honestly ridiculous. Shot out

1357
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 1: of my guy, big smooth. The Golden State Warriors next

1358
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: in the tier makers' eyes twenty and twenty one, eighth

1359
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference, seventeenth in offense, twentieth in defense.

1360
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,280
Speaker 1: Our preseason tiers, we had them as a championship contender.

1361
01:04:58,520 --> 01:04:59,880
Speaker 1: They are the defending champion.

1362
01:05:00,360 --> 01:05:01,080
Speaker 2: Take it away from them.

1363
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: Gotta take it away from him. They're under five hundred

1364
01:05:04,560 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 1: through forty one games, and I ain't bumping them. I

1365
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:09,600
Speaker 1: still got him as a championship contender.

1366
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 2: Okay, why outside of the obvious reason having jam Curry.

1367
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good reason. They're starting five is still awesome.

1368
01:05:18,880 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: Wiggins will be playing a lot more. Curry's going to

1369
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: be playing a lot more. They aren't going to play

1370
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 1: the guys who have kind of dragged him down on

1371
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 1: the road once it comes playoff time. So I don't know,

1372
01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:33,080
Speaker 1: you might want to consider him a flirt just because

1373
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: they've had a kind of disappointing season after the way

1374
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: things ended last year. But it's hard for me to

1375
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 1: bet against a Warriors team. Coming into the season. We

1376
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: thought this is maybe a last dance for them as well.

1377
01:05:45,160 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: You still hear Draymond talking about how he's going to

1378
01:05:47,400 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: figure out how to get his money for next season

1379
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:52,120
Speaker 1: and where he might end up. It doesn't feel like

1380
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 1: a lock he's coming back to Golden State after the

1381
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: big deals they've signed, so this still could be the

1382
01:05:57,040 --> 01:05:59,560
Speaker 1: last run, even though that's kind of fallen by the wayside.

1383
01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 2: This season. You're keeping them at the top number one

1384
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:04,919
Speaker 2: tier despite not being able to win on the road.

1385
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:10,040
Speaker 3: It's a very difficult question how many teams were gonna

1386
01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 3: lump into this NBA Finals category in the Western Conference.

1387
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 3: We know the Nuggets are gonna get are already there.

1388
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,760
Speaker 4: How many teams can you put up there?

1389
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I feel like it's a tiny bit of

1390
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 3: a stretch just because Steph is out, even though they

1391
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,800
Speaker 3: have the best five man unit in the NBA still

1392
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 3: midway point of the season. The good thing for them

1393
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 3: is that they figured out who to play on their bench.

1394
01:06:35,160 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 3: As Trey said, first ten games going three and seven,

1395
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 3: they actually are seventeen and fourteen. That's math since then,

1396
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 3: so they're getting better. I think I'm okay bumping them

1397
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 3: to a Final four flirt, even though they can come out,

1398
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,440
Speaker 3: but you know, we've got to differentiate them somehow.

1399
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 4: But I think.

1400
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 3: When when it comes down to it forty games from now,

1401
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 3: I maybe picking them to come out of the West,

1402
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 3: depending what happens in the second half. So should I

1403
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 3: drop them, I don't know. I'm just I guess I'm

1404
01:07:10,720 --> 01:07:13,400
Speaker 3: just rewarding other teams that have played so much better

1405
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:14,440
Speaker 3: than them in the first half.

1406
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 2: Because of where they are in the standings right now,

1407
01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 2: as we get closer and closer to the All Star break,

1408
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:20,960
Speaker 2: and because of the injuries to a couple of their

1409
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 2: main guys and stuff like that, their postseason is actually

1410
01:07:25,640 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: going to start well before the real postseason, you know

1411
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 2: what I mean.

1412
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's fair, like.

1413
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,959
Speaker 2: To get up the standings, to get out of a plan,

1414
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:34,040
Speaker 2: Like I don't think they're winning the title. If they're

1415
01:07:34,040 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 2: coming out to play in right, to just even win

1416
01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 2: a game to get it, that would be amazing. Obviously

1417
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 2: that hasn't happened yet. We haven't had it that long,

1418
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 2: and maybe it will one day. But I feel like, yeah,

1419
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,800
Speaker 2: after the All Star break, when everybody is healthy, they've

1420
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:49,440
Speaker 2: got the rotation, I think they will go on a

1421
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:51,439
Speaker 2: run and they'll lock in and start to play again,

1422
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:55,080
Speaker 2: sort of like really consistent basketball with the idea of

1423
01:07:55,160 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: like we got to get up there. I mean, we

1424
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:58,640
Speaker 2: are going to go back to back here, we gotta

1425
01:07:58,720 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 2: get up in the standings. They should be thankful in

1426
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:05,000
Speaker 2: a way that there are so many teams. You know,

1427
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,160
Speaker 2: the Nuggets are great obviously, Pelicans and the Grizzlies and

1428
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:08,720
Speaker 2: stuff like that, but so many teams that they can

1429
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 2: catch quite easily. Yeah, two weeks of good basketball and

1430
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: they're like home court advantage in a playoff series. So

1431
01:08:14,560 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 2: I'm keeping them in in the in the contender or sorry, Yeah,

1432
01:08:18,840 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 2: the championship contenders top level.

1433
01:08:20,439 --> 01:08:22,280
Speaker 3: I thought You're definitely going to take them out.

1434
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:23,280
Speaker 4: So I'm happy.

1435
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm happy I'm the one knocking them down because I

1436
01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 3: am designated as the Warriors lover amongst our fans. There's

1437
01:08:31,000 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 3: no doubt. But they do have to play harder. You're

1438
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 3: right in the second half of the season that probably

1439
01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 3: doesn't bode well for the playoffs that they're probably going

1440
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,800
Speaker 3: to be playing their guys somewhat heavy minutes because they

1441
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:44,720
Speaker 3: do rely on their starting five. But they are the champs.

1442
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:46,920
Speaker 2: Three and sixteen still on the road.

1443
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: Crazy to see, but literally every Western Conference team, the

1444
01:08:50,280 --> 01:08:52,160
Speaker 1: best teams in the Western Conference on the road are

1445
01:08:52,160 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: ten and ten.

1446
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:53,720
Speaker 2: There are two.

1447
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 1: The Grizzlies and the Nuggets are ten and ten on

1448
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,640
Speaker 1: the road. Every other team is below five hundred. So

1449
01:08:59,400 --> 01:09:01,519
Speaker 1: you want to be top four in the West. But

1450
01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 1: it feels like Golden State. I mean they I guess

1451
01:09:03,840 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: they can get up to fourth, but sure they could

1452
01:09:05,600 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: pull a Houston Rockets.

1453
01:09:07,200 --> 01:09:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, sixth seed to the Look, we're playing the it's

1454
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 2: the respect card. It's the respect It's like, you know,

1455
01:09:13,160 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 2: I got the championship belt. You got to come and

1456
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:17,760
Speaker 2: take it from me. Okay, you know you tweaked my

1457
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,360
Speaker 2: ankle on the stairs. It was a cheap shot, all right,

1458
01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 2: but I'm still the champ and you gotta win it.

1459
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:29,440
Speaker 3: Wrestle Mania listened to a lot of wrestling popecast.

1460
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,599
Speaker 2: There's a lot of drama going on wrestling right now.

1461
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:33,599
Speaker 2: To Stephanie McMahon just stopped out, Oh my god, Vince

1462
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 2: McMahon is back. That is controversial. The Saudis might buy it.

1463
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 2: What the hell's going on, Let's keep going.

1464
01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:43,040
Speaker 3: They're only speaking of King Saudi's. The Kings are only

1465
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:48,000
Speaker 3: two and a half games above the Warriors for fourth, So.

1466
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,439
Speaker 2: I'm saying, man, yeahah, one week, one week.

1467
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: All right, this one should be quick. The Houston Rockets,

1468
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 1: they're ten and thirty one, fifteenth in the Western Conference,

1469
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 1: twenty ninth on offense, twenty eighth in defense. In the preseason,

1470
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:04,080
Speaker 1: we had them in Area fifty one. They're gonna stay there.

1471
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: But I'm feeling proud because I've seen the Houston Rockets

1472
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: get a win live this season, and I've seen the

1473
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,519
Speaker 1: Charlotte Hornets get a win live this season.

1474
01:10:11,680 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: Probably not a lot of people that can.

1475
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,080
Speaker 4: Say that, No, not many.

1476
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 2: Probably not. What's weird about the Houston Rockets. I remember

1477
01:10:19,000 --> 01:10:20,280
Speaker 2: us saying, yeah, they're gonna be one of the worst

1478
01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: teams league. Okay, but we thought they might be one

1479
01:10:23,080 --> 01:10:25,240
Speaker 2: of the more entertaining worst teams in the league. I

1480
01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 2: think that was I think that was true for like

1481
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: fifteen games, I really do. Even though they started one

1482
01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 2: to nine and so they were losing a ton, they

1483
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 2: were fun games. They were in a lot of games.

1484
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 2: Obviously they got a lot of guys that could put

1485
01:10:36,200 --> 01:10:39,360
Speaker 2: up highlights. But now that's even gone away. I mean,

1486
01:10:39,439 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 2: I know, you know you love the shan Gun. We

1487
01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 2: all do, but like it is such a there's a

1488
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,120
Speaker 2: there's something going on there where it's like I'm just

1489
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 2: gonna get mine type of thing. Yes, a lot of

1490
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 2: their guards and we talked about Eric Gordon, Wanda and

1491
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,360
Speaker 2: all that. So it's it's not even enjoyable, right, you know.

1492
01:10:54,439 --> 01:10:56,639
Speaker 2: Now a lot of grumps around there. It feels like, yeah,

1493
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 2: we have bad vibes, but we're going to be bad.

1494
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:01,800
Speaker 2: They should be bad, you know. Again, have a have

1495
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 2: a really good chance, probably a fourteen percent chance. I

1496
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:05,120
Speaker 2: think they're going to be one of the worst three

1497
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 2: teams in the league to get a really good chance

1498
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: at Womanyana. So it's just a it's a bummer. Just

1499
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:15,280
Speaker 2: just please trade air Gordon, please please just get anything back.

1500
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 2: I don't even care at this point. Get back Austin Rivers. Okay,

1501
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:22,280
Speaker 2: why not? Sure? Yeah, that's so they're staying Area fifty one.

1502
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:22,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1503
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've lost eight in a row Man. Yeah, they've lost.

1504
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 2: They've lost thirteen of their last fourteen. Oh my good. Yeah,

1505
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 2: it's bad. I think that one win was against the balls, right,

1506
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,519
Speaker 2: that is correct. I was there. Yeah, they killed they

1507
01:11:36,560 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 2: killed the bulls that day. They did.

1508
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,800
Speaker 1: They did, indeed, great game for Jalen Green, great game

1509
01:11:40,840 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: for Opera and shen Doon on that night, and maybe

1510
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: a career high for Kevin Porter Junior as well.

1511
01:11:46,080 --> 01:11:48,799
Speaker 2: It was who they scored one hundred and thirty three points.

1512
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:49,920
Speaker 2: That's probably there.

1513
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't it. Maybe it was a season high

1514
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:53,639
Speaker 1: for Jalen Green.

1515
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:55,840
Speaker 3: Anyways, The weird part is they thought they'd have good

1516
01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 3: vibes with Boulbon Marianovitch, that's a good point team.

1517
01:12:01,520 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 2: Well we turned out it's three children inside of Boban.

1518
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 1: That was a disappointment. That's why I'd been so angry.

1519
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,320
Speaker 1: They're like, what, you're not just kids? On top of

1520
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:15,120
Speaker 1: each other's shoulders. Here's a potential big faller for US ballers.

1521
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: The LA Clippers twenty two and twenty one, currently sixth

1522
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,080
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference. They are twenty seventh in offense,

1523
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 1: just seventh in defense.

1524
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:24,880
Speaker 2: That's pretty good.

1525
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the preseason, we had them as championship contenders.

1526
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: Some of us did, some of us didnough of us did. Actually,

1527
01:12:30,920 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: I should say, I remember, I remember pushing back against

1528
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: this one. I didn't want to go championship contender. But

1529
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,519
Speaker 1: I mean, no, they're not there for me. They're at

1530
01:12:40,600 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: least a step down or two tiers down or two.

1531
01:12:43,400 --> 01:12:46,880
Speaker 1: But I just I mean, it's like we're just broken

1532
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,360
Speaker 1: record with this team. I guess it's pretty amazing that

1533
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,880
Speaker 1: they are that great on the defensive end, spite missing

1534
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,360
Speaker 1: Paul George for chunks. And obviously Kawhi Kaui is looking

1535
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 1: good right now.

1536
01:12:56,520 --> 01:12:59,439
Speaker 2: He's playing. Why he's playing, he's you know, he's he's

1537
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 2: looking you know a little more well old kaw I

1538
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 2: like when it comes to scoring. But I'm not putting

1539
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,519
Speaker 2: championship contender, Like, I don't care how open the West is.

1540
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 3: Oh way, man, I found it pretty surprising that the

1541
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:18,200
Speaker 3: media survey was taken, and the Clippers, even though they

1542
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 3: were given the moncer being the ninth best team in

1543
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 3: the entire NBA, were voted on as the team most

1544
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,640
Speaker 3: likely to represent the West in the NBA Finals.

1545
01:13:28,160 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 2: That's that's fascinating, that's crazy.

1546
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 3: It is a lot of people just not having faith

1547
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 3: in the Nuggets and Grizzlies. That they'd picked the Clippers

1548
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:42,759
Speaker 3: over those two teams. It shows you that the West

1549
01:13:42,840 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 3: is way more wide open than the East. But a

1550
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:49,920
Speaker 3: lot of faith in this Clippers team to be great

1551
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 3: in the second half, and it seems a little bit unfounded.

1552
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,240
Speaker 3: Just as much as I think it could happen, I'm

1553
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,880
Speaker 3: willing to bump them down because this run here with

1554
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,160
Speaker 3: that Dakwi has been on. It's not like the way

1555
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,360
Speaker 3: he came back after he came back from the injury

1556
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:06,559
Speaker 3: with the Spurs and then with the Rappers. He played

1557
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:08,840
Speaker 3: sixty games with the Reps that season. He's not going

1558
01:14:08,840 --> 01:14:11,840
Speaker 3: to play that many this season, and he was bullet

1559
01:14:12,040 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 3: he was better than he is currently. So it's just

1560
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:18,640
Speaker 3: kind of hard to imagine them going to the finals

1561
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:19,599
Speaker 3: at this point.

1562
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 4: He's a unique person.

1563
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 3: He could change in the second half, but it's hard

1564
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,759
Speaker 3: to throw him up there in that category. I agree,

1565
01:14:28,840 --> 01:14:31,200
Speaker 3: even though this media survey is really weird, so I

1566
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 3: think there may be some fat fingers in that typing

1567
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,839
Speaker 3: there final four flirtyes.

1568
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:40,240
Speaker 1: Sure, I'm going playoff lock. I don't have a lot

1569
01:14:40,280 --> 01:14:42,400
Speaker 1: of faith in the Clippers, but they do play defense.

1570
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,720
Speaker 1: Even if Kawhi and Paul George are out. They're a

1571
01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:47,400
Speaker 1: really solid defensive team. With all the switching and all

1572
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 1: the quick guys that they've got, Zubats obviously, is there

1573
01:14:50,760 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: one big guy. It feels like the Clippers are a

1574
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:55,479
Speaker 1: team that probably needs a little bit of roster balancing.

1575
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 1: Maybe they'll look for size going forward. But the only

1576
01:14:59,160 --> 01:15:01,800
Speaker 1: time I remember them looking like a championship team was

1577
01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 1: when they beat the Celtics by twenty. Celtics didn't have

1578
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: either of their big guys in Williams or Horford, but

1579
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,040
Speaker 1: both Paul George and Kawhi Leonard played and they held

1580
01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 1: the Celtics to ninety three points. Both those guys went

1581
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:15,320
Speaker 1: over twenty five. They look great. That was a month ago,

1582
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:17,720
Speaker 1: and it's happened once, so I don't know. It just

1583
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:21,320
Speaker 1: doesn't feel like they're gonna play enough together this season

1584
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: that they can win every single playoff series. Yeah, I

1585
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:28,559
Speaker 1: think they could win any one playoff series, but the

1586
01:15:28,600 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 1: consistency I don't think is going to be there. So Skeets,

1587
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 1: it comes to you. Are you giving them a Final

1588
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 1: four lock or a playoff a Final four flirt or

1589
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: a playoff lock playoff luck?

1590
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:41,040
Speaker 2: Alrighty, yeah, for all the reasons you said. And look,

1591
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 2: the biggest part is like, you know, we get to April,

1592
01:15:43,800 --> 01:15:47,559
Speaker 2: who's even playing? Like is Kawhi playing? Paul George gets

1593
01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 2: banged up from time to time, and just like, I mean,

1594
01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,360
Speaker 2: I guess in a weird way, they're like the Bucks

1595
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 2: are bad offensively this year too, but I've got them

1596
01:15:56,040 --> 01:15:58,879
Speaker 2: going all the way, you know, possibly to a conference

1597
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:01,800
Speaker 2: finals at least, And the Clippers are similar, Like their

1598
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:05,000
Speaker 2: defense isn't as elite as the Bucks, but their offense

1599
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:06,880
Speaker 2: is worse. Like I can't talk myself into a team

1600
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,240
Speaker 2: ranked twenty seventh in offense to be like, oh, yeah,

1601
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:11,280
Speaker 2: they're one of the four best teams easily. Yeah, Like

1602
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:11,960
Speaker 2: I can't do that.

1603
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,120
Speaker 4: So are they ranked?

1604
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 3: When Kui plays, that's yeah, of course, but he doesn't play.

1605
01:16:18,880 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 2: Yes, fine, Lock, I'm happy he's back, and man, he

1606
01:16:22,280 --> 01:16:25,760
Speaker 2: would have one of the strangest careers already. When it's

1607
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,479
Speaker 2: all said and done, he has voted a tough seventy

1608
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,040
Speaker 2: five player of all time, and it's just the most

1609
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:34,840
Speaker 2: insane career. Like with the finals MVPs and multiple championships

1610
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:37,360
Speaker 2: and different squads like I did, he did it again,

1611
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 2: which we thought maybe would be the case. Obviously when

1612
01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:42,880
Speaker 2: they put this team together, that was the goal. So yeah,

1613
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,440
Speaker 2: I like playoff lock though for clips.

1614
01:16:44,680 --> 01:16:47,800
Speaker 1: Let's stay in LA talk Lakers, oh man, they never

1615
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,360
Speaker 1: come up nineteen to twenty two, twelfth in the Western Conference.

1616
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:53,880
Speaker 1: They are eighteenth in offense, twenty second in defense. In

1617
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:56,960
Speaker 1: the preseason, we said this is a play in potential

1618
01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: kind of team. They've got a potent partial MVP season

1619
01:17:02,200 --> 01:17:05,799
Speaker 1: from Anthony Davis, a partial MVPC I guess from Lebron

1620
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 1: James Russell. Westbrook has embraced his role coming off the bench,

1621
01:17:10,439 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 1: big meatball, Thomas Bryant is balling. Dennis Shrewder has been

1622
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:19,120
Speaker 1: a fine Lonnie Walker the new Malik Monk Okay. I'm

1623
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,439
Speaker 1: trying to make a case for the Lakers here. We

1624
01:17:21,479 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 1: could maybe they could maybe be a playoff locked. Nothing

1625
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,160
Speaker 1: feels locky with the Lakers right now.

1626
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:30,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would be a playoff lock in the sense

1627
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 2: that you would believe they would come out probably of

1628
01:17:32,840 --> 01:17:35,439
Speaker 2: the play into true the side door. They're coming through

1629
01:17:35,439 --> 01:17:40,120
Speaker 2: the gide door or even back door. But I can't, like,

1630
01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:45,760
Speaker 2: I mean, is this insane to say that, if everybody's healthy,

1631
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,559
Speaker 2: I would take the Lakers against the Clippers in a

1632
01:17:49,680 --> 01:17:52,599
Speaker 2: in a in a matchup. Is that insane? I feel

1633
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:57,559
Speaker 2: healthy if everybody's healthy, which don't worry that healthy with

1634
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,720
Speaker 2: A D and Kawhi and Paul George and Lebron. But uh,

1635
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I'm not going playoff

1636
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,639
Speaker 2: locked though, and I'm going I'm sticking with where they.

1637
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:11,200
Speaker 1: Are sticking in the play in Yeah, let's see here.

1638
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:13,559
Speaker 1: They are currently two games out of the sixth.

1639
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:16,519
Speaker 2: Glut, big glut.

1640
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 3: It's just a long still, a long time before the playoffs. Yes,

1641
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 3: so they could easily Anthony Davis' is yeah, coming back

1642
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,759
Speaker 3: at some point, but he could be hurt again. And

1643
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 3: they have fought to get to where they are. They

1644
01:18:31,400 --> 01:18:34,680
Speaker 3: have they do scrap defensively. We put them in the

1645
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:38,639
Speaker 3: play in tournament preseason because that's the right spot for them.

1646
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 3: I think we should keep it there. Yeah, I think

1647
01:18:41,960 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 3: we should.

1648
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:43,680
Speaker 4: Keep hold on.

1649
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,680
Speaker 2: Do you believe Planka and Genie Bus are going to

1650
01:18:46,720 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 2: do something here? Are they going to trade one at

1651
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 2: least of their future picks after this somewhat pressure from

1652
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,679
Speaker 2: Lebron and then you know, him playing at this level

1653
01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:57,599
Speaker 2: and them sort of getting back into the playoffs sort

1654
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:01,200
Speaker 2: of picture. If they trade the twenties or that twenty

1655
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 2: nine first round pick for a decent player like that's

1656
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 2: say that Gardners, you back something, you know, a bugged on,

1657
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: a bitch a buddy, maybe you know a player of

1658
01:19:09,920 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 2: that caliber. Does that not then push them up to

1659
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 2: a to a playoff lock.

1660
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 3: I think they have a trade potential, but I don't

1661
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:22,599
Speaker 3: know if it's a trade lock. I don't know tier

1662
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:26,679
Speaker 3: system trade lock. They're equals playoff lock, but trade potentially

1663
01:19:26,680 --> 01:19:27,200
Speaker 3: equals playing.

1664
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: That's why I happened as a playoff lock. I think

1665
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 2: I think Polinka will do it, and they'll get back

1666
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 2: a notable player like that, will slot in as their

1667
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,120
Speaker 2: third or fourth best player and pull me down for

1668
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:38,720
Speaker 2: playoff loock.

1669
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,559
Speaker 1: Hey, you're in on playoff lock. We're keeping them in

1670
01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:43,240
Speaker 1: playing potential.

1671
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:44,760
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay, okay, that's fine.

1672
01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 1: Man, I just feel like Lebron is putting so much

1673
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,720
Speaker 1: pressure on the Lakers right now that all of the

1674
01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:53,559
Speaker 1: messaging from the Lakers seems to be we might trade

1675
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 1: one pick, but it's feeling really unlikely that they make

1676
01:19:56,479 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 1: a splashy move and include both of them. Maybe the

1677
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: summer is when it actually happens. That's kind of what

1678
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 1: Dave mcmanniman was saying.

1679
01:20:02,920 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, zachly Well podcast not too long ago.

1680
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:10,240
Speaker 1: So Lakers still weird to figure out. Uh, they're in

1681
01:20:10,280 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 1: twelfth place right though, but they got a chance to rise.

1682
01:20:13,200 --> 01:20:15,400
Speaker 1: Here's kind of the easy to figure out. The Memphis Grizzlies.

1683
01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:17,799
Speaker 1: They're twenty eight and thirteen. They're second in the Western Conference,

1684
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: twelfth in offense, first in defense. In the preseason, we

1685
01:20:21,960 --> 01:20:23,800
Speaker 1: had them as Final four flirts, and guess what they

1686
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: got to move up a tier. They can win the

1687
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 1: championship this year, you believe? So, I do believe they can.

1688
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:31,720
Speaker 1: John Morant force a personality impossible to stay out of

1689
01:20:31,720 --> 01:20:33,799
Speaker 1: the lane. Desmond Bane one of the five best shooters

1690
01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: in the league. Jaron Jackson junior might win Defensive Player

1691
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,799
Speaker 1: of the Year. They got toughness, they got a style.

1692
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,439
Speaker 1: They have been through it. They've played in playoff series,

1693
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 1: They've played in tough playoff series. They are ready to

1694
01:20:46,240 --> 01:20:49,559
Speaker 1: take the next step. There are teams I certainly think

1695
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 1: can beat the Grizzlies, But the Grizzlies have.

1696
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 2: A shot to win the championship this year.

1697
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, it's really on both Desmond Band and

1698
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,560
Speaker 3: Jaron Jackson Junior's offensibility, shot making, creativity.

1699
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:00,720
Speaker 2: If they're gonna.

1700
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 4: Go all the way.

1701
01:21:02,240 --> 01:21:06,480
Speaker 3: They got the locker room, they do have the bravado,

1702
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,599
Speaker 3: They got the swagger to get there. There's no doubt

1703
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 3: will they be able to do it offensively when defenses

1704
01:21:14,600 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 3: stop the fast breaks right and collapse a little bit

1705
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 3: on jaw can't wait to see because their offense is

1706
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:25,000
Speaker 3: not top ten and so that's gonna be a bit

1707
01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:26,320
Speaker 3: of an issue in the playoffs.

1708
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 4: But the West is open.

1709
01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,519
Speaker 3: And it's really to me, it's relying on how much

1710
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:34,599
Speaker 3: Jaron Jackson Junior can grow and Desmond Band can grow.

1711
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:37,320
Speaker 3: So I wouldn't pick them coming out of the West,

1712
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 3: but I think they.

1713
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:39,320
Speaker 2: Can't come up of them. O. So you have top

1714
01:21:39,360 --> 01:21:39,640
Speaker 2: tier here.

1715
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm fine with that.

1716
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:44,200
Speaker 2: Wow wow, wow. I mean you guys are Peyton a

1717
01:21:44,240 --> 01:21:46,040
Speaker 2: great picture of why they could get there if it

1718
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,840
Speaker 2: broke right, and yeah, potential matchups and stuff like that,

1719
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:50,679
Speaker 2: and maybe you didn't run into a team that gives

1720
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 2: them problems or whatever, like you know, like the Warriors

1721
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 2: or something. They lost in the first round and they

1722
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 2: lost in the semis last year. So are they taking

1723
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:02,559
Speaker 2: like two steps to a finals? I would like to

1724
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,760
Speaker 2: personally put them where I had the nets, which would

1725
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:09,600
Speaker 2: be a final four flirt. But you know, are they just.

1726
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:12,400
Speaker 1: As good as the Nuggets, right or the Warriors where

1727
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:14,720
Speaker 1: they are? And yeah, you're probably right. They probably are

1728
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:16,479
Speaker 1: a fifty six win team last year two.

1729
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they're on pace for the exact exact same

1730
01:22:18,880 --> 01:22:22,680
Speaker 3: record despite injuries to Jared Jackson Junior, Big one to

1731
01:22:22,760 --> 01:22:26,680
Speaker 3: Desmond Vane. So they're on pace for the exact same record,

1732
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 3: home court advantage just as good as the altitude, attitude,

1733
01:22:30,040 --> 01:22:32,719
Speaker 3: the exact same record eighteen and three at home, which

1734
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 3: is surprising. So if they get that one seed, you're right,

1735
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:36,639
Speaker 3: they could take two steps.

1736
01:22:36,680 --> 01:22:38,720
Speaker 2: They got to be in that top tier if they've

1737
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,240
Speaker 2: proven it, what they what they can do, just how

1738
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 2: important Jaron Jackson saw is defensively, that's welcome to the

1739
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 2: top ten.

1740
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:50,080
Speaker 3: Welcome great Popovich gave him the kiss of approval.

1741
01:22:50,160 --> 01:22:52,120
Speaker 4: Oh he did it this week. That's nice.

1742
01:22:52,360 --> 01:22:55,559
Speaker 2: Best defense. Wow yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, I like it.

1743
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,519
Speaker 1: Next team, Next team, the Minnesota Timberwolves. Twenty and twenty two.

1744
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:01,719
Speaker 1: They are and h place right now. They are nineteenth

1745
01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: in offense. They are sixteenth in defense.

1746
01:23:04,160 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 4: Oh.

1747
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 2: In the preseason, we thought it was gonna work. We

1748
01:23:07,080 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 2: said this is a playoff lock. Yeah.

1749
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 1: Man, they're still close. They're still making a run at

1750
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs here. Sure, the face of the franchise isn't playing.

1751
01:23:17,479 --> 01:23:19,800
Speaker 1: It's weird that they are playing a little better with

1752
01:23:19,840 --> 01:23:22,680
Speaker 1: the face and the franchise out right, But they are

1753
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 1: playing a little bit better, and it seems to me

1754
01:23:25,200 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 1: that they're at least figuring out we're going as far

1755
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,840
Speaker 1: as Anthony Edwards takes us, So let him be the

1756
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:33,280
Speaker 1: one who takes us somewhere. It's definitely been a dramatic

1757
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:37,360
Speaker 1: season to start for Minnesota. But if they can figure

1758
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,200
Speaker 1: out how to give a consistent effort, they can win

1759
01:23:40,240 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 1: some games. So, I mean, they're probably playing potential, which

1760
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,200
Speaker 1: is a downgrade, But I don't know. Sometimes I think

1761
01:23:48,200 --> 01:23:50,880
Speaker 1: it's not as bad as it seems yeah with the Timberwolves,

1762
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: but then you see him give up one hundred and

1763
01:23:53,120 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 1: thirty five to a team like the Pistons, You're like, yeah,

1764
01:23:55,120 --> 01:23:55,320
Speaker 1: it is.

1765
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,760
Speaker 2: It is as bad. They came into the season with

1766
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,879
Speaker 2: expectations and that that punched them in the mouth. Yeah,

1767
01:24:01,920 --> 01:24:04,759
Speaker 2: like unfortunately, and trying to figure out their new squad

1768
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:06,759
Speaker 2: with Gobert and how that was gonna work with Towns

1769
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 2: and yeah, should it be Ant's team? Like and like,

1770
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 2: you know, they missed guys too, like Prince being out

1771
01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:14,120
Speaker 2: I think really hurt them, like they when you have

1772
01:24:14,240 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 2: that top heavy talent, Yeah, you need those guys, the

1773
01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,600
Speaker 2: blue guys to fill in amongst them. Dangel Russell is

1774
01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 2: such a polarizing player. It looks great one game he

1775
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,719
Speaker 2: saves them in a fourth corner, then looks like complete garbage.

1776
01:24:24,760 --> 01:24:27,160
Speaker 2: You just want to get rid of them. I think

1777
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:29,800
Speaker 2: they're a playing team. I think that's where they'll be

1778
01:24:29,840 --> 01:24:32,639
Speaker 2: at the end of the year. I don't really even

1779
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:34,960
Speaker 2: like their chances maybe even get into the playoffs from there,

1780
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,080
Speaker 2: but who knows. That's down the line, But that's where

1781
01:24:37,080 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 2: I would have them. That's a tier. I'd have them

1782
01:24:38,439 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 2: so down one because we thought Rudy Gobert was gonna

1783
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,599
Speaker 2: automatically make them one of the best defenses in the league. Yeah,

1784
01:24:44,600 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 2: that's what we thought. Yeah, and that's what a lot

1785
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:48,559
Speaker 2: of people thought, and that hasn't been the case. Turns

1786
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:52,000
Speaker 2: out you needed Walker Kesla but no, no, So that's

1787
01:24:52,040 --> 01:24:54,360
Speaker 2: why I got them. I got them down.

1788
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 3: I gotta knock them down tests I totally agree. I

1789
01:24:56,760 --> 01:25:00,639
Speaker 3: would knock them down one. They are the Midnesota temper Wolves,

1790
01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 3: That's what they are. They can't put it together. They

1791
01:25:03,439 --> 01:25:08,120
Speaker 3: played down to their competition. I think I think hear us,

1792
01:25:08,200 --> 01:25:12,760
Speaker 3: as you know, as we make the calls here from

1793
01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 3: the couch and from the desk, we just assumed that

1794
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:17,040
Speaker 3: Tim connolly trading so many draft picks for Rudy Gobert,

1795
01:25:17,080 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 3: he just knew more than us that he would. I

1796
01:25:19,200 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 3: think that was part of why you would trade so

1797
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 3: many draft picks. We just had faith in an NBA

1798
01:25:23,240 --> 01:25:26,400
Speaker 3: GM would make the right call. Obviously, as Trey said,

1799
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:31,160
Speaker 3: it's seems worse than it is, But Rudy Gobert is

1800
01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,920
Speaker 3: at the peak of his powers right now. He's not

1801
01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 3: going to get fresher as the years go on. Now

1802
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 3: I'm thinking long term, and if you dig deep into

1803
01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 3: the numbers. Seth Partner had a great piece on The

1804
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:45,800
Speaker 3: Athletic about how he protects the rim and his intimidation

1805
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:48,519
Speaker 3: level there, and the numbers are not as good as

1806
01:25:48,520 --> 01:25:50,840
Speaker 3: they were now. Is that just getting to know each other?

1807
01:25:51,720 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think that's just Rudy Gobert

1808
01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 3: not having the effect that we thought he would and

1809
01:25:57,960 --> 01:26:00,160
Speaker 3: the locker room just ain't the same, And so I

1810
01:26:00,160 --> 01:26:01,720
Speaker 3: don't know if that comes around either. So there's too

1811
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 3: many question marks for me to lock them into anything.

1812
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 3: So play in for.

1813
01:26:06,439 --> 01:26:09,479
Speaker 2: Me, They've had you talked about like playing down in

1814
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 2: their competition. They've had bad losses to bad teams. They've

1815
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 2: lost twice to the Spurs, twice to the Pistons. There's

1816
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,800
Speaker 2: another garbage one in there too, like those could come

1817
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 2: back to haunt them in terms of like potentially being

1818
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:24,000
Speaker 2: the sixth seed or above in the West, or even

1819
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 2: seating and having to win on the road or win

1820
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:29,200
Speaker 2: twice or wherever in a play in tournament, like those

1821
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:31,439
Speaker 2: those add up, you know, like I know you can't

1822
01:26:31,439 --> 01:26:33,200
Speaker 2: win them all or anything like that. And not like

1823
01:26:33,240 --> 01:26:35,280
Speaker 2: they haven't had good wins against good teams too, but

1824
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:39,800
Speaker 2: they're not really taking care of the crappy teams that

1825
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:41,280
Speaker 2: they play. You know, they've lost a thunder, but they're

1826
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:41,800
Speaker 2: pretty good.

1827
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:43,599
Speaker 1: Team eleven thainst teams below five.

1828
01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, like they should be better than them.

1829
01:26:45,920 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 3: Is it's Hawks, Like the way they don't get back

1830
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:51,040
Speaker 3: in transition. They don't seem like they love each other

1831
01:26:51,200 --> 01:26:54,400
Speaker 3: from quarter to quarter. They you don't have to love

1832
01:26:54,439 --> 01:26:55,840
Speaker 3: each other, but you gotta play hard. They don't play

1833
01:26:55,880 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 3: hard right, so kind of hard to pad.

1834
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 2: They'll be fascinating to see when Cat comes back. I mean,

1835
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:04,160
Speaker 2: that's not that long from now. And will they change

1836
01:27:04,240 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 2: how they played with him and go bear like will

1837
01:27:06,520 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 2: he just like they're like they're trying to make it

1838
01:27:09,160 --> 01:27:11,840
Speaker 2: work with both of those guys inside the three point line.

1839
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 2: Will Kac go back to just like gunning away from

1840
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 2: three point distance and letting it fly he says, he's

1841
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,840
Speaker 2: the greatest big man ever let it fly from three? Like?

1842
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:22,880
Speaker 2: Will he try and stretch the floor more? I mean,

1843
01:27:22,880 --> 01:27:25,200
Speaker 2: they have questions and like, you know, you're not Cat,

1844
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 2: you'd think you'd be a better team, but we've seen

1845
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:28,799
Speaker 2: maybe that wasn't the case at the start of the season.

1846
01:27:28,840 --> 01:27:31,640
Speaker 1: So playing for me, playing I think is good. The

1847
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:35,160
Speaker 1: New Orleans Pelicans. They are twenty five and seventeen. They

1848
01:27:35,200 --> 01:27:38,839
Speaker 1: are third in the Western Conference, sixth on offense, sixth

1849
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:41,680
Speaker 1: on defense. In the preseason, we said this team is

1850
01:27:41,720 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: a playoff lock. Their two leading scorers are out right now,

1851
01:27:46,240 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: Zion Williamson for a while. Brandon Ingram has been missing

1852
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 1: time for quite a while.

1853
01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:50,840
Speaker 2: CJ.

1854
01:27:50,960 --> 01:27:54,519
Speaker 1: McCollum has certainly stepped up in their absence, making a

1855
01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 1: run at the All Star Game. I think this has

1856
01:27:58,080 --> 01:28:00,759
Speaker 1: been one of the surprise teams of the league.

1857
01:28:00,760 --> 01:28:02,000
Speaker 2: How good they've been. Yep.

1858
01:28:02,200 --> 01:28:04,920
Speaker 1: I think if we did this podcast before Zion got hurt,

1859
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,640
Speaker 1: our picks might change.

1860
01:28:07,720 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 2: But I'm willing to put.

1861
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 1: Them in a Final four flirt category just because if

1862
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:14,320
Speaker 1: Zion's healthy, they got a chance against anybody.

1863
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 2: If Brandon Ingram's healthy.

1864
01:28:15,439 --> 01:28:17,600
Speaker 1: This team was pretty solid last year in the playoffs

1865
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:20,799
Speaker 1: against the Suns, even though they did lose in that series.

1866
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:24,240
Speaker 1: I just think the Pelicans, the biggest question for them

1867
01:28:24,280 --> 01:28:26,000
Speaker 1: is who's going to be on the floor, Yeah, when

1868
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 1: they cut, when they play. The good thing is they

1869
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,640
Speaker 1: have a ton of depth that they can withstand some

1870
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 1: of these injuries. But I just think They're a really

1871
01:28:34,720 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 1: good team who knows how to play together. Even though

1872
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 1: they never get a chance to play together.

1873
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,639
Speaker 3: They are so good. Their depth is coming through, even

1874
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:45,639
Speaker 3: with Ingram and Zion out. Still worried about them being

1875
01:28:45,680 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 3: on the floor and maintaining a top seed, because if

1876
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 3: you're talking about Final four flirts, you gotta be a

1877
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,880
Speaker 3: four seed. You don't expect this team to win two

1878
01:28:53,040 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 3: series on the road. They are I say that, and

1879
01:28:56,040 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 3: then I think about, hey, they fought the Suns last

1880
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:03,920
Speaker 3: year without Zion being in the lineup. Just worry about

1881
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,599
Speaker 3: Zion come back healthy of this brandon ingram toe situation,

1882
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 3: not having played in seven weeks, but reports the last

1883
01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 3: couple weeks that he's coming back. But still, the depth

1884
01:29:12,200 --> 01:29:15,120
Speaker 3: is so good. I'm fine keeping them around because they

1885
01:29:15,120 --> 01:29:17,960
Speaker 3: are a scar rappy bunch and they just need one

1886
01:29:17,960 --> 01:29:20,120
Speaker 3: more star, even just one of those guys to come back.

1887
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:24,639
Speaker 3: So yeah, I worry about them both playing and Ingram

1888
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:27,400
Speaker 3: and I definitely worry about the hamstring coming back early

1889
01:29:27,800 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 3: and how he's going to look when he comes back.

1890
01:29:30,720 --> 01:29:32,720
Speaker 3: But one of those guys, and they're good.

1891
01:29:33,760 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 2: This is both a compliment and possibly a kiss of death.

1892
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,040
Speaker 2: I would have them in a final four flirt because

1893
01:29:40,040 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 2: I could see them doing what the Hawks did two

1894
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:46,120
Speaker 2: years ago and what the Mavericks did last year. So

1895
01:29:46,920 --> 01:29:49,200
Speaker 2: they could get to a conference finals, and I think

1896
01:29:49,240 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 2: they would need to have it would help if they

1897
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:52,679
Speaker 2: had at least home court evanage in that first round.

1898
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 2: But like the Hawks, I think in a four or

1899
01:29:54,439 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 2: five matchup against the Knicks right where they won an MSG,

1900
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 2: you got to be in that four or five slot

1901
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 2: to then go there. They could do it. They could

1902
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:03,400
Speaker 2: do it for all the reasons you guys said. Obviously,

1903
01:30:03,439 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 2: they have incredible players. When they're healthy and they're all back,

1904
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 2: they should be elite. And they got great depth. I think,

1905
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:09,559
Speaker 2: Willy green dous there's a lot of coach of your

1906
01:30:09,600 --> 01:30:12,640
Speaker 2: consideration when you consider all the injuries they've had to

1907
01:30:12,720 --> 01:30:16,640
Speaker 2: some of their main guys. But uh yeah, I'm not

1908
01:30:16,720 --> 01:30:20,559
Speaker 2: going championship contender, but it could break in this wide

1909
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:23,120
Speaker 2: open what it feels wide open West for them to

1910
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 2: make a run to com finals, to win a series

1911
01:30:25,120 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 2: or two, which would be an incredible year. I mean

1912
01:30:27,520 --> 01:30:30,200
Speaker 2: a first round series, I think is that's like bar

1913
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:32,720
Speaker 2: minimum for them, right, that's if they don't do that.

1914
01:30:32,760 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 2: I think a bummer of the season.

1915
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:35,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.

1916
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:36,880
Speaker 2: They win a first round series, put up a fight

1917
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 2: in second und season if they didn't win, that's good.

1918
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,680
Speaker 2: So yeah, fout and four flirt flirt They're they're like

1919
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:44,599
Speaker 2: doing this from across the room. Hey, oh wait, Willi

1920
01:30:44,680 --> 01:30:46,599
Speaker 2: Green didn't even move in there. Willy Green, by the way,

1921
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:50,360
Speaker 2: saw him last night, was two nights ago. There he looks. Uh,

1922
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:53,040
Speaker 2: he looks in better shape than he did as a player.

1923
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:56,240
Speaker 1: Huh, chew on that?

1924
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 2: What's your secret, Willie Green? I think he looks great,

1925
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 2: Like one's good. I remember him to be like a

1926
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:04,320
Speaker 2: maybe like I had a little more weight when he

1927
01:31:04,360 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 2: was a player. But he looks it looks awesome.

1928
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:08,799
Speaker 3: He's not truing on that. I think that's the secret.

1929
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:10,760
Speaker 3: Don't eat Maybe it's.

1930
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 1: The stress of being a coach late night or but

1931
01:31:13,200 --> 01:31:15,760
Speaker 1: then that means, yeah, you could stress heat or you

1932
01:31:15,760 --> 01:31:19,160
Speaker 1: wouldn't eat it all because you're stressing about game plans.

1933
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:22,760
Speaker 2: Get your head in the books. I watching the film.

1934
01:31:23,080 --> 01:31:26,120
Speaker 3: I think his idol, the guy he learned a lot

1935
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 3: from Monty Williams, also looks great. He looked good when

1936
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 3: he played too. But he also yeah, see, he looks

1937
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:31,800
Speaker 3: like they both look great.

1938
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:38,200
Speaker 2: Maybe misremembering Willie Green's body weight when he played baggy

1939
01:31:38,280 --> 01:31:38,960
Speaker 2: Jersey didn't help.

1940
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:39,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.

1941
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 2: He just looked like Schleppier to me. Fit man, right,

1942
01:31:44,520 --> 01:31:47,320
Speaker 2: Willy Green could play hold him man?

1943
01:31:48,040 --> 01:31:51,479
Speaker 1: Okay, what about this guy? What about this coach? This

1944
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,960
Speaker 1: will be an interesting case. The Oklahoma City Thunder. They're

1945
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 1: eighteen and twenty three. They're thirteenth in the Western Conference

1946
01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,840
Speaker 1: after a really hot start, their twentieth in offense, the

1947
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:03,439
Speaker 1: eleventh in defense. In the preseason we had them as

1948
01:32:03,479 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 1: an Area fifty one team. They've had a cool year.

1949
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:10,040
Speaker 1: They're gonna have an All Star in shay Gilles Alexander.

1950
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:13,479
Speaker 1: It's very likely he wins the Jahn Morant MVP Award,

1951
01:32:13,560 --> 01:32:16,280
Speaker 1: which is really most Improved Player. But we can't quite

1952
01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 1: give you MVP, but you kind of deserve it, and

1953
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:21,360
Speaker 1: you're very cool ergo will gift it to you. I

1954
01:32:21,439 --> 01:32:23,360
Speaker 1: think they stay in Area fifty one, though. I don't

1955
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: think they're going to make a run into the play

1956
01:32:25,360 --> 01:32:27,720
Speaker 1: in tournament in the second half of the season. But

1957
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:30,519
Speaker 1: this season has still been a success and a step

1958
01:32:30,560 --> 01:32:33,160
Speaker 1: forward for Okay, a huge success.

1959
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 2: No matter where we put them in the tears or

1960
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,439
Speaker 2: where they're finished. I mean SGA going to the level

1961
01:32:37,479 --> 01:32:40,280
Speaker 2: he has and very likely being an All Star Jillen

1962
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:43,200
Speaker 2: Williams that looks like a hit as a rookie pick,

1963
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:46,759
Speaker 2: despite obviously Chet not even playing for them. Their offense,

1964
01:32:46,760 --> 01:32:49,720
Speaker 2: though over the last two or three weeks, is unreal.

1965
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:51,879
Speaker 2: I mean that the game where they put up one fifty,

1966
01:32:52,040 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 2: but they've had one hundred and thirty point games, one

1967
01:32:53,680 --> 01:32:56,160
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty five, hundred and twenty three hundred twenty seven.

1968
01:32:57,080 --> 01:33:00,960
Speaker 2: This is this offense with Giddy and SGA and some

1969
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:04,160
Speaker 2: of the guys well who like you talk about a

1970
01:33:04,160 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 2: team that's gonna like blow up some positioning for teams

1971
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:10,719
Speaker 2: and standings wise or where they are and the playing

1972
01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 2: or not and stuff like that later in the season,

1973
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 2: I think it'll be them, and I would put them

1974
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:16,599
Speaker 2: in the play in playing potential.

1975
01:33:17,439 --> 01:33:18,120
Speaker 4: I think we should.

1976
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 2: I think they are. They've proven that they're a step

1977
01:33:21,040 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 2: better than those Area fifty one teams that are like

1978
01:33:25,080 --> 01:33:27,720
Speaker 2: gonna probably lean more into the tank. I don't think

1979
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:29,880
Speaker 2: Okay C will do it this year. I don't think

1980
01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:31,800
Speaker 2: SGA will be shut down for weeks some times. I

1981
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 2: don't think they should they should get reps, continue to

1982
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 2: improve with their core and uh and then hope for

1983
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:40,320
Speaker 2: next year when you had chet and whatever pick you

1984
01:33:40,360 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 2: add uh to really maybe maybe make some noise and

1985
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,519
Speaker 2: actually get into a into a playoff serious next year.

1986
01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 2: But I'm going playing potential.

1987
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:52,200
Speaker 3: It is such it is no maybe in other ways,

1988
01:33:52,280 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 3: but we're talking about I.

1989
01:33:53,439 --> 01:33:55,880
Speaker 2: Feel like I'm going back a day.

1990
01:33:56,680 --> 01:33:59,000
Speaker 1: I love every minute of them. Yeah, let's do another

1991
01:33:59,000 --> 01:34:03,720
Speaker 1: podcast after that. Let's talk about refs, rough tiers, rough tiers.

1992
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:06,599
Speaker 2: You want to know rough tiers.

1993
01:34:06,880 --> 01:34:09,799
Speaker 3: We counted how many NBA referees there are in between

1994
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:13,360
Speaker 3: our two podcasts. That's how much of a sick oh podcast.

1995
01:34:13,400 --> 01:34:13,760
Speaker 4: This is.

1996
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:16,080
Speaker 3: I already forget the number. I think it was seventy four. Yeah, yeah,

1997
01:34:16,120 --> 01:34:19,880
Speaker 3: I was yeah, eight women of the of the seventy four.

1998
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:20,880
Speaker 2: All right.

1999
01:34:20,920 --> 01:34:23,760
Speaker 1: You guys talked me into it with the Almo he

2000
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: thunder that playing potential is where you are.

2001
01:34:26,200 --> 01:34:30,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh yeah, baby. Their offense is really really fun

2002
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 3: to watch.

2003
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:31,240
Speaker 4: It was fun.

2004
01:34:31,240 --> 01:34:32,680
Speaker 3: We got to watch him on playback where you can

2005
01:34:32,720 --> 01:34:35,200
Speaker 3: watch along with us, and that was a blast. Last

2006
01:34:35,240 --> 01:34:39,080
Speaker 3: five games, this is cherry picked, but they have the

2007
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:42,040
Speaker 3: third best offense in the NBA. Did I pick that

2008
01:34:42,080 --> 01:34:44,400
Speaker 3: instead of six and seven when they drop in the rankings,

2009
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 3: of course, but they have this nice little window here

2010
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:50,519
Speaker 3: of yeah giddy getting to the rims. He is a

2011
01:34:50,560 --> 01:34:53,439
Speaker 3: scrappy guys, as they're saying here peer Publico in the

2012
01:34:53,479 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 3: stream team. Everybody on that team feels scrappy though, And

2013
01:34:56,800 --> 01:35:00,000
Speaker 3: that's why it's almost disrespectful to me to drop them

2014
01:35:00,040 --> 01:35:03,320
Speaker 3: into the web rankings because they play so freaking hard

2015
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 3: and they're a joy to watch. So they're they're right

2016
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 3: there with the play in teams.

2017
01:35:07,479 --> 01:35:10,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, yeah. Will they be the tenth seed or

2018
01:35:10,400 --> 01:35:12,920
Speaker 2: will they end the eleventh? You know, probably more likely

2019
01:35:12,960 --> 01:35:14,840
Speaker 2: than the eleventh, but I think it's clear enough of

2020
01:35:14,880 --> 01:35:17,639
Speaker 2: those really bad teams. Yeah, I love that.

2021
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:19,639
Speaker 1: I love that we're giving them this as an award.

2022
01:35:20,160 --> 01:35:21,800
Speaker 1: You get to be in the play in Potential because

2023
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:23,799
Speaker 1: you played so well the first half of the season.

2024
01:35:24,040 --> 01:35:26,400
Speaker 1: They earned it, the Phoenix Suns, they didn't earn it.

2025
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 1: Twenty one and twenty two. They're seventh in the Western Conference,

2026
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,640
Speaker 1: their tenth in offense, they're twelfth in defense. In the preseason,

2027
01:35:34,200 --> 01:35:35,559
Speaker 1: we had them as final four.

2028
01:35:36,120 --> 01:35:41,160
Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, yeah, we did dropping dropping slowly and quickly.

2029
01:35:41,520 --> 01:35:45,360
Speaker 2: But are they if Devin Booker is playing in healthy,

2030
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 2: do you still believe enough in this team or the

2031
01:35:48,920 --> 01:35:52,120
Speaker 2: or as is the Chris Paul drop off too significant?

2032
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 2: Is it? You know how you feel about eight and

2033
01:35:55,880 --> 01:35:57,720
Speaker 2: and what what he gives to a team and maybe

2034
01:35:57,720 --> 01:35:59,840
Speaker 2: gives also takes away the rest of the depth of

2035
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 2: this team, the vibe. I don't know. I mean, I

2036
01:36:01,960 --> 01:36:04,560
Speaker 2: know we were confused with this team in the preseason

2037
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,519
Speaker 2: even but then we were like, they're still going to

2038
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:07,760
Speaker 2: be good. They're still going to win a ton of

2039
01:36:07,760 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 2: regular season in games, and they were. Were they not

2040
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:13,640
Speaker 2: first at one point in the Western Conference after a

2041
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:15,840
Speaker 2: couple of weeks in and then you know, taking Devin

2042
01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 2: Booker out has just completely derailed them, Like he's important.

2043
01:36:19,640 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 2: It turns out a guy that can is a walking

2044
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:24,840
Speaker 2: bucket is important to your chances. But I don't know,

2045
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,000
Speaker 2: I don't know where to put this one.

2046
01:36:26,120 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 3: Well, they're top eleven and top twelve defense, so they

2047
01:36:28,800 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 3: are right there, and as soon as Devin Booker comes back,

2048
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:36,120
Speaker 3: they'll jump up those standings or those rankings I should say.

2049
01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:41,000
Speaker 3: I think they should be a final four flirt. Whoa, whoa,

2050
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:42,599
Speaker 3: it is crazy.

2051
01:36:42,800 --> 01:36:45,639
Speaker 2: I love me some book, but even that, maybe I'm.

2052
01:36:45,520 --> 01:36:47,880
Speaker 3: Just covering my bases because they My bold prediction was

2053
01:36:47,880 --> 01:36:49,960
Speaker 3: they were going to finish in the play in and

2054
01:36:50,040 --> 01:36:53,599
Speaker 3: that could happen. Just trying to pat myself on the back,

2055
01:36:53,640 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 3: I guess, but that's only happened because of the Devin

2056
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 3: Booker injury. That's why I'm comfortable saying they are a flirt.

2057
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:00,719
Speaker 3: He has to come back, has to be healthy.

2058
01:37:00,840 --> 01:37:02,519
Speaker 2: Cam Johnson as well. I did forget about that.

2059
01:37:02,760 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know they're missing three of their top sexs

2060
01:37:04,840 --> 01:37:07,280
Speaker 1: from last season. Basically, Yeah, that's why. And the Chris

2061
01:37:07,360 --> 01:37:08,759
Speaker 1: Paul if you count Chris Paul.

2062
01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 3: Chris Paul drop off is real. But I don't really

2063
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:16,200
Speaker 3: knock that or I really think that's the reason that

2064
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 3: they're going to be in the plane because campaign can

2065
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:21,479
Speaker 3: come in and be awesome. And I know that's maybe

2066
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:26,040
Speaker 3: a stretch to some, but uh.

2067
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:25,840
Speaker 4: I think they can be there.

2068
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:30,240
Speaker 3: It's I think we're here in this window where they're hurt.

2069
01:37:30,439 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 3: But I think if you zoom out, I think they

2070
01:37:32,280 --> 01:37:34,720
Speaker 3: could be back. Think because you never know. With the

2071
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:37,479
Speaker 3: injury to Devin Booker, it could linger.

2072
01:37:37,640 --> 01:37:38,320
Speaker 4: But he is so.

2073
01:37:38,439 --> 01:37:41,479
Speaker 2: Damn groin injury, which is always scary. I mean, we

2074
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,320
Speaker 2: even saw him come back from it, right, and then

2075
01:37:43,320 --> 01:37:46,599
Speaker 2: it was like reaggravated. So that's an issue. Cam Johnson,

2076
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:50,200
Speaker 2: I think, is still out for a significant amount of time. Obviously.

2077
01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 2: What are they doing with Crowder? They getting anything back

2078
01:37:52,160 --> 01:37:55,280
Speaker 2: in return? Are they making a move? Chris Paul is

2079
01:37:55,320 --> 01:37:57,720
Speaker 2: looking like a thirty seven year old point guard. Unfortunately,

2080
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,000
Speaker 2: still he can hit the three with a pretty good consistency.

2081
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:03,200
Speaker 2: It's like from three Chris Ball. But yeah, he looks

2082
01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 2: like he's he's not the All Star that he was

2083
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,080
Speaker 2: last year and the year before that and the year

2084
01:38:09,120 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 2: before that. Wild right, remember that, I gotta go. I'll

2085
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 2: go playoff lock. That's where I settle. I can't go.

2086
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:24,520
Speaker 2: I think the Grizzlies and the Pelicans and the Nuggets

2087
01:38:24,520 --> 01:38:26,800
Speaker 2: and the Warriors, and I think there's too many teams

2088
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 2: that I would take over them.

2089
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:32,479
Speaker 3: Really, since a Booker's been out, which is December ninth,

2090
01:38:32,600 --> 01:38:34,519
Speaker 3: I know he's played a couple of games in between then,

2091
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:37,360
Speaker 3: but on December ninth, they were the third seed in

2092
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:40,240
Speaker 3: the West, and so that's how I kind of look

2093
01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:43,519
Speaker 3: at them. But since then they have obviously fallen.

2094
01:38:43,680 --> 01:38:47,439
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with Skeates here, I think playoff Lock.

2095
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,360
Speaker 1: I think they're going to side door it through the

2096
01:38:49,400 --> 01:38:52,439
Speaker 1: play in tournament because I think the Suns are completely cooked.

2097
01:38:52,680 --> 01:38:54,759
Speaker 1: I think it's over this era of the Suns.

2098
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:55,400
Speaker 2: Wow.

2099
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 1: I think they are the current version of the Utah Jazz,

2100
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:03,640
Speaker 1: where they were an awesome regular season team, the eventual

2101
01:39:03,800 --> 01:39:05,760
Speaker 1: playoff shortcomings got to him.

2102
01:39:06,320 --> 01:39:09,200
Speaker 2: And I think, so you think we've that's already weirdness.

2103
01:39:09,240 --> 01:39:10,920
Speaker 2: I think it has done. So it's like a a

2104
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,200
Speaker 2: little earlier than it happened with Utah. He gave it

2105
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:14,120
Speaker 2: a little longer run.

2106
01:39:14,240 --> 01:39:17,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, because Chris Paul is a lot older than Mitchell

2107
01:39:17,520 --> 01:39:18,000
Speaker 1: and go bear.

2108
01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2109
01:39:18,360 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 1: So I think that once Booker comes back, which is

2110
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: still a couple of weeks before he's reevaluated, they will

2111
01:39:23,960 --> 01:39:27,920
Speaker 1: start winning games good enough to keep their their spot

2112
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference. But I don't think anybody fears

2113
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:31,840
Speaker 1: this team.

2114
01:39:31,640 --> 01:39:34,200
Speaker 2: At Yeah, okay, playoff lock.

2115
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:37,400
Speaker 1: Portland Trailblazers nineteen and twenty one. There are eleventh in

2116
01:39:37,439 --> 01:39:40,479
Speaker 1: the Western Conference. They are fifteenth in offense, seventeenth in defense.

2117
01:39:40,760 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 1: In the preseason, we came down on them as a

2118
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:46,360
Speaker 1: play in potential team. Those keys, I know you were

2119
01:39:47,160 --> 01:39:49,120
Speaker 1: you were probably arguing playoff lock.

2120
01:39:49,240 --> 01:39:50,680
Speaker 2: I'm not mistaken.

2121
01:39:51,439 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 1: Had a great start to the season. Lillard has looked

2122
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 1: mostly Lillard like since his return. He's missed a bunch

2123
01:39:57,200 --> 01:40:01,160
Speaker 1: of time. Jeremy Grant been a great find for the Trailblazers,

2124
01:40:01,200 --> 01:40:06,559
Speaker 1: a pretty simons mixed results, I would say, playing on

2125
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:09,920
Speaker 1: a more competitive team compared to the tanking team that

2126
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 1: he was on last year when he was dominating. So

2127
01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: what do we think him playing potential? Seems pretty legit

2128
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:15,680
Speaker 1: to me?

2129
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:18,040
Speaker 2: Here is so sticking where we had Stay and where

2130
01:40:18,040 --> 01:40:18,439
Speaker 2: we had him.

2131
01:40:18,520 --> 01:40:20,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, what do you think you you were high

2132
01:40:20,760 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 4: on them.

2133
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:23,599
Speaker 2: Twelve If we had done this like two or three

2134
01:40:23,640 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 2: weeks ago, I think you guys probably would have been

2135
01:40:25,880 --> 01:40:27,680
Speaker 2: agreeing that they were a playoff lock and going up

2136
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,360
Speaker 2: a tier. But they've fallen apart. They can't win on

2137
01:40:31,400 --> 01:40:32,920
Speaker 2: the road at all. I know they have a huge

2138
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,320
Speaker 2: homestand here, I do hope think it started all that well,

2139
01:40:35,320 --> 01:40:38,160
Speaker 2: if I remember correctly, with the loss, I like them.

2140
01:40:38,240 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 2: I'm just confused by them. I don't you know. I

2141
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:43,880
Speaker 2: can't believe they fixed their defense a little bit, which

2142
01:40:43,960 --> 01:40:45,920
Speaker 2: made sense. You know, Grant's there, you know, Gary Peyton

2143
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:47,519
Speaker 2: second has played a ton, but Nerk's done a better

2144
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,800
Speaker 2: job there. You know, they've got some pieces to help.

2145
01:40:50,800 --> 01:40:53,320
Speaker 2: But then the offense is completely sort of created, Like

2146
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,080
Speaker 2: I do wonder, I forget who said this on a

2147
01:40:55,120 --> 01:40:59,720
Speaker 2: podcast to apologies, but like Lollard and Simon's man, they

2148
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:02,800
Speaker 2: take a lot of threes. Those two guys, like both

2149
01:41:02,840 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 2: of them a ton ten plus each to not hit

2150
01:41:06,160 --> 01:41:08,640
Speaker 2: them at the clip you'd like to see when you

2151
01:41:08,680 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 2: get into those volumes of three point shooting, they're they're

2152
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:15,080
Speaker 2: a little too low for my liking. So maybe that

2153
01:41:15,160 --> 01:41:17,960
Speaker 2: just ticks up because of their great players. But I'm

2154
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:21,400
Speaker 2: fine with a play in tournament spot. That's probably where

2155
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:25,320
Speaker 2: they'll be, and that'll be disappointing to me.

2156
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand the hopes the roster building.

2157
01:41:31,400 --> 01:41:32,920
Speaker 4: It looked right, It looked good.

2158
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:36,760
Speaker 2: O your guy Justice Winslow, Yes, it's playing really well.

2159
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 3: He was, Yes, poor Man, Scottie Pippin, Yeah, it's poor fine,

2160
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,439
Speaker 3: very sure.

2161
01:41:46,520 --> 01:41:47,680
Speaker 2: That's even better, man, that's great.

2162
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:54,080
Speaker 4: You can just name guys, you just whatever. He's poor

2163
01:41:54,120 --> 01:41:56,000
Speaker 4: Man's yaka Pearl nice.

2164
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 3: That's a good one. Playing is the way to go

2165
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 3: with this team. It is disappointing their offenses. It's Hawks,

2166
01:42:06,000 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 3: Like I guess you can say two guard heavy lineups.

2167
01:42:10,680 --> 01:42:14,040
Speaker 3: They those guys have to be productive. And I guess

2168
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 3: it's even more disappointing than the Hawks because you got

2169
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 3: Jeremy Grant who has been playing really, really well. So

2170
01:42:21,560 --> 01:42:23,760
Speaker 3: you see a mediocre defense. That's all you wanted from

2171
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:26,200
Speaker 3: the Blazers. That's what they're giving you. You'd think they

2172
01:42:26,400 --> 01:42:30,479
Speaker 3: the the offense would be better. That's the disappointing part.

2173
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:32,840
Speaker 3: But Dame in the second half could be Dame time.

2174
01:42:33,080 --> 01:42:35,599
Speaker 2: Well, look it could be now, I'm telling you. They

2175
01:42:35,640 --> 01:42:39,439
Speaker 2: have nine of their next ten games at home. They

2176
01:42:39,479 --> 01:42:42,920
Speaker 2: basically are in Portland for all of January, all of

2177
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:44,960
Speaker 2: it outside of going to Denver for one game.

2178
01:42:45,040 --> 01:42:46,920
Speaker 4: Oh it's gonna be rainy.

2179
01:42:47,400 --> 01:42:51,640
Speaker 1: Oh it's just so miserable. Yeah, beautiful city. Though it

2180
01:42:51,640 --> 01:42:54,599
Speaker 1: looks like a train set Portland, it does actually amazing.

2181
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,519
Speaker 2: But they have the Calves tonight, then they have two

2182
01:42:58,560 --> 01:43:01,040
Speaker 2: games against the Mavericks. These are all in Portland, then

2183
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,880
Speaker 2: they go to Denver, then they play Philadelphia. These are

2184
01:43:03,880 --> 01:43:07,160
Speaker 2: good teams coming into Portland. And if the Lakers, the Spurs,

2185
01:43:07,240 --> 01:43:09,479
Speaker 2: the Jazz, the Raps and the Hawks. So it gets

2186
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:12,320
Speaker 2: maybe a little bit better. But you know, important stretch

2187
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:15,400
Speaker 2: here for determining whether we're going to be correct where

2188
01:43:15,439 --> 01:43:17,920
Speaker 2: we put them in the tier as a playing team

2189
01:43:18,040 --> 01:43:20,640
Speaker 2: or or maybe a playoff luck if they can you know,

2190
01:43:20,880 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 2: go seven to three or eight two or something nuts

2191
01:43:23,400 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 2: at home, which you know they could with explosive lots

2192
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:29,920
Speaker 2: and offensive players to go with good decent defense.

2193
01:43:29,960 --> 01:43:34,479
Speaker 1: So yeah, playing though, playing play in not too bad

2194
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:36,680
Speaker 1: at being the playing No Sacramento Kings. They're twenty two

2195
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:40,840
Speaker 1: and eighteen fourth right now in the Western Conference. The

2196
01:43:40,880 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 1: offense is third in the league. The defense is twenty

2197
01:43:43,120 --> 01:43:45,559
Speaker 1: fourth in the league. In the preseason, we said this

2198
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:48,080
Speaker 1: is a play in team who's ready to upgrade the

2199
01:43:48,120 --> 01:43:48,800
Speaker 1: sacond Me.

2200
01:43:49,080 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 2: Man, this is we are about to award the Sacramento

2201
01:43:52,479 --> 01:43:56,720
Speaker 2: Kings their twenty twenty three championship by saying they are

2202
01:43:56,760 --> 01:43:57,720
Speaker 2: a playoff.

2203
01:43:57,560 --> 01:44:05,920
Speaker 1: Lock JD celebration. Yeah, balloon streamers should fire. We used

2204
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:07,719
Speaker 1: to have those things when we worked to the starter

2205
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 1: to fire those confetti guns.

2206
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,200
Speaker 4: I might figure those out.

2207
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they just got to clean it all up.

2208
01:44:13,840 --> 01:44:17,880
Speaker 3: We have to clean not we but we would here,

2209
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:19,639
Speaker 3: I mean, oh yeah, that's why.

2210
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:23,759
Speaker 2: We know fire here tight horrors. It's like a fire hazard.

2211
01:44:23,800 --> 01:44:27,040
Speaker 2: I believe too in the garage. But uh yeah, playoff lock.

2212
01:44:27,640 --> 01:44:31,720
Speaker 2: I'm very I feel very confident about that. Why why

2213
01:44:31,720 --> 01:44:35,519
Speaker 2: wouldn't we JD hit the lock them in? Let's just

2214
01:44:35,560 --> 01:44:37,960
Speaker 2: see what always got deep? That's tough.

2215
01:44:38,479 --> 01:44:41,360
Speaker 1: That would be a deep pull. I'm in on Sacramento.

2216
01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:45,240
Speaker 1: The defense, hilariously is not better. I mean it's better

2217
01:44:45,320 --> 01:44:47,920
Speaker 1: than worse than the league, which is what it had

2218
01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 1: been for the past few seasons. But up to twenty

2219
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 1: fourth it ain't nothing to write home about. But they

2220
01:44:52,280 --> 01:44:56,240
Speaker 1: can score on anybody. They're starting five fits really, really well,

2221
01:44:56,520 --> 01:44:59,760
Speaker 1: and the chemistry between the Bonus and Fox benefits the

2222
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 1: both of them. Fox doesn't have to do everything, Sabonis

2223
01:45:02,880 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 1: doesn't have to do everything. One of the both of

2224
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 1: them is gonna be an All Star. I think they're

2225
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 1: gonna continue to be a really good offense, and that

2226
01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:12,720
Speaker 1: can win you a bunch of regular season games. So

2227
01:45:12,760 --> 01:45:14,679
Speaker 1: the Kings shall finish in the top six.

2228
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 2: Wow, they are gonna they are gonna snap the streak

2229
01:45:17,400 --> 01:45:21,120
Speaker 2: man the first time, no, for the second time in

2230
01:45:21,160 --> 01:45:25,000
Speaker 2: the history of this podcast, we will have the ability

2231
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,800
Speaker 2: to talk about a Sacramento Kings playoff game, right, is

2232
01:45:27,840 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 2: that right?

2233
01:45:28,280 --> 01:45:28,519
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2234
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 2: We started, oh five, oh six.

2235
01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 4: Yep, we started.

2236
01:45:31,800 --> 01:45:35,080
Speaker 2: That's crazy. They haven't talked about us playoff game since

2237
01:45:35,160 --> 01:45:36,479
Speaker 2: we're gonna be lighting the beam here.

2238
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:38,679
Speaker 3: No, you guys called it at the beginning of the season.

2239
01:45:38,720 --> 01:45:40,280
Speaker 3: I didn't believe it. I thought they'd have to be

2240
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:45,479
Speaker 3: better defensively. They haven't really had to be better defensive, No,

2241
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:49,439
Speaker 3: But their offense is awesome because primarily I think Demanta

2242
01:45:49,479 --> 01:45:52,679
Speaker 3: Saboni is just being that guy who gets everyone involved,

2243
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 3: has got no problem doing that, and Fox can be

2244
01:45:56,160 --> 01:45:59,800
Speaker 3: a high volume guy. The Kevin Herder steal from the

2245
01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:03,840
Speaker 3: Hawks is something that goes under the radar. But Kevin

2246
01:46:03,880 --> 01:46:06,920
Speaker 3: Herder was given away by the Hawks because they had

2247
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:10,439
Speaker 3: to pay others, and he has been phenomenal shooting forty

2248
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 3: two eight three is a game. And Barnes just another

2249
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,880
Speaker 3: steady guy in this starting lineup. So their offense is

2250
01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:18,880
Speaker 3: just good. You're right, it's not gonna go anywhere. You've

2251
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:21,400
Speaker 3: got Milik Monk coming off the Bench's so they're fine.

2252
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 2: He's probably on the short list of six Man of

2253
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:26,880
Speaker 2: the Year candidates. Milik Monk, how he's played for them,

2254
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:29,120
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna win it, but he's there.

2255
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:32,320
Speaker 2: This is a solid team they have. I always say this,

2256
01:46:32,720 --> 01:46:35,160
Speaker 2: I love an identity with a team. We know what

2257
01:46:35,200 --> 01:46:37,720
Speaker 2: the Kings are about. It's score score, score baby. And

2258
01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 2: you've got two borderline all stars or all stars hopefully

2259
01:46:40,240 --> 01:46:43,439
Speaker 2: in simonas and Fox, who's played Fox has been clutch

2260
01:46:43,600 --> 01:46:45,439
Speaker 2: this season in a lot of games. He's had a

2261
01:46:45,439 --> 01:46:48,519
Speaker 2: couple of hebullet but that's okay. He's taken the taking

2262
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:50,679
Speaker 2: the shots and setting up guys. So I think they're

2263
01:46:50,720 --> 01:46:53,519
Speaker 2: doing it. We've completely cursed them now now now we've

2264
01:46:53,600 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 2: ruined it. But I like the team still works. It's

2265
01:46:56,920 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 2: all good. Hey, hey, try and find a team with

2266
01:47:00,760 --> 01:47:02,880
Speaker 2: better vibes than the Kings this year. There there're a

2267
01:47:02,920 --> 01:47:05,479
Speaker 2: handful of es, you know. Grizzli has always got great vibes.

2268
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:07,200
Speaker 2: A couple of other teams that we see above them.

2269
01:47:07,200 --> 01:47:11,960
Speaker 2: But the Kings are they They're feeling themselves rightfully, so

2270
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 2: then their fan base is awesome, always has been, even

2271
01:47:14,360 --> 01:47:16,400
Speaker 2: though they've been garbage for fifteen years.

2272
01:47:16,760 --> 01:47:19,320
Speaker 3: Sis's thumb doesn't have good vibes because he's playing with

2273
01:47:19,560 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 3: a broken thumbs an ox he is he's fighting through it.

2274
01:47:23,320 --> 01:47:25,479
Speaker 3: Dad's got to be proud. He's playing like a young

2275
01:47:25,560 --> 01:47:28,719
Speaker 3: r V to Sabonis, getting everybody involved. If he was out,

2276
01:47:29,240 --> 01:47:32,800
Speaker 3: if he had to have surgery, it would be totally

2277
01:47:32,840 --> 01:47:34,559
Speaker 3: different the way their offense runs.

2278
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:36,360
Speaker 4: But he's fighting through it.

2279
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:40,280
Speaker 3: So playoffs, Baby, playoffs.

2280
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:42,599
Speaker 2: I'd like to go to Sacramento for a playoff game.

2281
01:47:42,600 --> 01:47:44,040
Speaker 2: We'll tell you that right now. Let's get that on

2282
01:47:44,080 --> 01:47:47,759
Speaker 2: the calendar. Light the beam, like the beam.

2283
01:47:47,920 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 1: I'd love to go tip over a cow. I've never

2284
01:47:51,320 --> 01:47:53,959
Speaker 1: been to Sacramento, but have never been to Sacramento.

2285
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:54,840
Speaker 2: That tips over a cat.

2286
01:47:56,040 --> 01:48:01,320
Speaker 1: That's fun. Executive of the Year, Wow, because.

2287
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:02,960
Speaker 2: Of the Herder move and the Bleak move.

2288
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:04,960
Speaker 1: Well, Herder and Fox and he made this a bonus

2289
01:48:04,960 --> 01:48:06,640
Speaker 1: trade last year. It doesn't count, but they give you

2290
01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:07,120
Speaker 1: credit for it.

2291
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:07,519
Speaker 2: Anyways.

2292
01:48:08,280 --> 01:48:11,519
Speaker 1: San Antonio Spurs they're thirteen and twenty nine. They're fourteenth

2293
01:48:11,560 --> 01:48:15,200
Speaker 1: in the Western Conference, twenty eighth in offense, thirtieth in defense.

2294
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 1: In the preseason, Greg Popovitch said, I don't think we're

2295
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:20,439
Speaker 1: gonna win the championship. Don't bet on aust to win

2296
01:48:20,479 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 1: the title. So we put them in Area fifty one. Yeah, Greg,

2297
01:48:24,040 --> 01:48:27,760
Speaker 1: Mull's his team. They're staying in the area fifty one.

2298
01:48:27,880 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah they are. I mean, look, I maybe cost

2299
01:48:31,160 --> 01:48:32,960
Speaker 2: somebody some money out there. I guess they could still

2300
01:48:32,960 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 2: technically do it. They had a very low over under

2301
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:37,519
Speaker 2: total right, they were like one of the worst. Was

2302
01:48:37,560 --> 01:48:40,280
Speaker 2: it twenty two maybe something like that. We can still

2303
01:48:40,280 --> 01:48:41,800
Speaker 2: do that twenty two twenty three, and I was saying,

2304
01:48:41,880 --> 01:48:44,439
Speaker 2: hit the over. I'm sorry, man, this is a Popovich team.

2305
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:46,560
Speaker 2: They're gonna win games. They shouldn't. They're gonna be in

2306
01:48:46,600 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 2: a lot of games despite being bad. Even they might

2307
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:54,000
Speaker 2: get that. They may not though too. Hey, coming up

2308
01:48:54,040 --> 01:48:57,680
Speaker 2: on Friday night though, sixty five thousand people in the

2309
01:48:57,720 --> 01:49:01,439
Speaker 2: Elmo to see the Spur take on the Warriors on

2310
01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:04,439
Speaker 2: national television. Let's go that was a game we should

2311
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:04,680
Speaker 2: have gone to.

2312
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:09,599
Speaker 1: We could have been a part of history. Like our

2313
01:49:09,640 --> 01:49:12,439
Speaker 1: buddy Grish for the longest time. I don't know if

2314
01:49:12,439 --> 01:49:14,360
Speaker 1: it stands anymore, but he was like he was at

2315
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:17,200
Speaker 1: the Pontiac Silver Dome for WrestleMania three, started to bring

2316
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:18,280
Speaker 1: it back to wrestling, But.

2317
01:49:18,320 --> 01:49:20,920
Speaker 2: That was like a seventy thousand plus crowd. He was there.

2318
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:24,559
Speaker 2: I always held that over me.

2319
01:49:26,120 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 1: It's like you've never been into real crowd, right, But

2320
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:34,120
Speaker 1: we I get at least counter with a sixty five

2321
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:34,679
Speaker 1: thousand plus.

2322
01:49:34,680 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 2: If we go to the.

2323
01:49:35,240 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 3: LM driven across the border to a Buffalo Bills game,

2324
01:49:39,479 --> 01:49:43,639
Speaker 3: that's a crowd that's like that man sixty on good.

2325
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:45,680
Speaker 2: Stadiums are big, Yeah they are.

2326
01:49:46,280 --> 01:49:46,920
Speaker 4: Isn't that big?

2327
01:49:47,200 --> 01:49:49,000
Speaker 2: Oh? It used to be called Wilson, wasn't it.

2328
01:49:49,120 --> 01:49:52,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, Ralph, I'll look it up, line in bed.

2329
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:56,960
Speaker 2: Just like, hell are we talking about? Oh? The Spurs, Spurs.

2330
01:49:56,960 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 3: Devinell Is a player, Trey Jones, a player moving on

2331
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,040
Speaker 3: a yak a perta. Will they deal yack the yak

2332
01:50:03,120 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 3: yak yack?

2333
01:50:04,760 --> 01:50:05,240
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2334
01:50:06,479 --> 01:50:08,880
Speaker 3: I don't know what this team the question mark. It's

2335
01:50:08,920 --> 01:50:09,760
Speaker 3: a big question mark.

2336
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:14,880
Speaker 2: They don't. It will be unreal if they get like

2337
01:50:14,880 --> 01:50:18,080
Speaker 2: like win the lottery though, and get like women Yama

2338
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:21,599
Speaker 2: after like you know, obviously having David back in the day,

2339
01:50:21,760 --> 01:50:27,280
Speaker 2: then getting Tim and they get like a third like David.

2340
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 2: Hold on, let me call him mister Robinson. I was

2341
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:35,760
Speaker 2: in his neighborhood or his playground was Rogers. Mister Rogers. Yeah,

2342
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 2: but mister Robinson's like David Robinson had an ad around

2343
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:42,360
Speaker 2: either the neighborhood.

2344
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:45,360
Speaker 4: Or the neighborhood looks like a neighborhood.

2345
01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:49,200
Speaker 2: I call him David because I live by him. So, uh,

2346
01:50:49,600 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 2: what are they saying? You guys got Lemenyama number one?

2347
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:55,559
Speaker 2: Big Guy Jesus would be like three iconic, potentially iconic.

2348
01:50:55,560 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to put too much pressure on the alien,

2349
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,760
Speaker 2: but uh, you know, iconic, big guys.

2350
01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,560
Speaker 4: Hall of David Tim victor.

2351
01:51:03,880 --> 01:51:06,960
Speaker 2: David Tim or what was it playground or neighborhood, neighborhood? Right?

2352
01:51:07,280 --> 01:51:09,880
Speaker 1: I googled mister Robinson's neighborhood and all I got was

2353
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:13,599
Speaker 1: the Eddie Murphy skitch from No, you're right. I think

2354
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:15,519
Speaker 1: it is neighborhood because he's like walking down the street

2355
01:51:15,560 --> 01:51:15,960
Speaker 1: and stuff.

2356
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:16,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2357
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:19,080
Speaker 1: I didn't do a secondary google because I didn't know

2358
01:51:19,120 --> 01:51:20,839
Speaker 1: we were going this deep on David.

2359
01:51:21,760 --> 01:51:25,519
Speaker 2: I believe it's neighborhood. There we go. It's confirmed. Final team.

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01:51:25,960 --> 01:51:29,760
Speaker 1: We made it to the Utah Jazz twenty nine and

2361
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:34,320
Speaker 1: twenty three, ninth in the Western Conference as it stands?

2362
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:36,439
Speaker 2: Is that true? Did I write that one down? Right? Yes?

2363
01:51:36,520 --> 01:51:39,559
Speaker 2: I did. Sometimes it surprises myself now to jazz, it's

2364
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:40,200
Speaker 2: so surprising.

2365
01:51:41,000 --> 01:51:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, just because they're on the verge of dropping on.

2366
01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:45,599
Speaker 1: You feel like they are fourth in offense, twenty seventh

2367
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: in defense. In the preseason, we said this is an

2368
01:51:47,960 --> 01:51:51,800
Speaker 1: Area fifty one team, kind of not knowing when and

2369
01:51:51,840 --> 01:51:54,360
Speaker 1: if they would trade all of their veterans and also

2370
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:56,599
Speaker 1: not expecting Lowry Marketing to become Larry Bird.

2371
01:51:57,320 --> 01:52:00,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't see that coming. Larry Bird couldn't hold

2372
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:01,799
Speaker 2: Lowry this season.

2373
01:52:03,040 --> 01:52:06,599
Speaker 3: He dunked on the Bulls eight times. Yes, career high

2374
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:09,200
Speaker 3: eight dunk game for Lowry Mark.

2375
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:10,960
Speaker 2: Did Larry Bird ever have a game where he dunked?

2376
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:13,519
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess no. Did Larry Bird have eight?

2377
01:52:13,640 --> 01:52:14,800
Speaker 4: Yes?

2378
01:52:15,320 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah. We were like a lot of people thought

2379
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:20,080
Speaker 2: this would be the worst team in the league, and

2380
01:52:20,120 --> 01:52:24,559
Speaker 2: they started gangbusters. They were number one in the in

2381
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,000
Speaker 2: the Western Conference at one point for like a couple

2382
01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:29,400
Speaker 2: of a while. Yeah, and they were holding onto that.

2383
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:32,640
Speaker 2: Now they've since fallen back to earth. We have an

2384
01:52:32,720 --> 01:52:34,760
Speaker 2: odd bet going will they be over five hundred by

2385
01:52:34,760 --> 01:52:36,160
Speaker 2: the end of the year. I don't think we put

2386
01:52:36,160 --> 01:52:38,040
Speaker 2: anything on it, but I said yes, I said no,

2387
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:40,760
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, we'll see here. I don't think

2388
01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:44,800
Speaker 2: they will be, but I think they'll be in the

2389
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 2: I don't know this a play in playing level on

2390
01:52:47,200 --> 01:52:47,559
Speaker 2: the tier.

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01:52:48,360 --> 01:52:48,880
Speaker 4: I think so.

2392
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:51,160
Speaker 2: Probably they're almost like too good at this point to

2393
01:52:51,160 --> 01:52:52,000
Speaker 2: even catch your.

2394
01:52:51,960 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wouldn't drop that team. I wouldn't.

2395
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:56,040
Speaker 3: I can't drop them because I don't think Lowry Market

2396
01:52:56,120 --> 01:52:58,280
Speaker 3: is slowing down. Those numbers are a little wild that

2397
01:52:58,360 --> 01:53:00,320
Speaker 3: he's leading the fourth best offense.

2398
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:03,799
Speaker 4: In the league. Yeah, yeah, that's that's pretty surprising.

2399
01:53:03,960 --> 01:53:05,479
Speaker 2: This team is basically the Kings.

2400
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2401
01:53:09,240 --> 01:53:12,920
Speaker 3: Bad defensively is also surprising in the same breath, because

2402
01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 3: they feels like they do play hard and that's been

2403
01:53:15,479 --> 01:53:19,439
Speaker 3: slacking a little bit. They could definitely finish sub five

2404
01:53:19,520 --> 01:53:25,240
Speaker 3: hundred because one injury really hurts them, and that obviously

2405
01:53:25,240 --> 01:53:29,639
Speaker 3: happens to every team. But I don't think Lowry's going anywhere,

2406
01:53:29,720 --> 01:53:32,840
Speaker 3: and for that reason, I keep them in the play

2407
01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:33,400
Speaker 3: in tournament.

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01:53:34,680 --> 01:53:36,599
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna finish under five hundred and out

2409
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:38,160
Speaker 1: of the play in but I want to put them

2410
01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:41,479
Speaker 1: in the playing category as an award similar to the

2411
01:53:41,479 --> 01:53:45,400
Speaker 1: Oklahoma City Thunder they've earned being out of the dregs

2412
01:53:45,439 --> 01:53:46,000
Speaker 1: of the NBA.

2413
01:53:46,200 --> 01:53:50,280
Speaker 2: They traded away two of their greatest players in franchise history,

2414
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:53,120
Speaker 2: right in Mitchell and Gobert yep. Over the off.

2415
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:56,120
Speaker 1: Season, you know usually do that. Yeah, you're getting a

2416
01:53:56,160 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 1: lot of picks back, but you're going to be very

2417
01:53:57,600 --> 01:54:01,400
Speaker 1: very bad. And instead, like they've gotton guys obviously in Lowry,

2418
01:54:01,400 --> 01:54:03,880
Speaker 1: markin and you know a little still to be seen

2419
01:54:03,920 --> 01:54:06,280
Speaker 1: with Colin Sexon. But like guys like Vanderbilt and Beasley

2420
01:54:06,280 --> 01:54:08,479
Speaker 1: come out like a lot of Peter Kessler obviously coming

2421
01:54:08,520 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 1: back in the Gobert trip. Like Wow, what a win

2422
01:54:11,920 --> 01:54:14,200
Speaker 1: to be this good at this point to have all

2423
01:54:14,280 --> 01:54:14,919
Speaker 1: these picks.

2424
01:54:15,200 --> 01:54:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, still have a direction to go. If you want

2425
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:20,160
Speaker 2: to get even more, maybe get another young player, you

2426
01:54:20,240 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 2: could move con Lee's and Olynix and stuff like that.

2427
01:54:23,320 --> 01:54:25,519
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't be surprised they do that, especially now

2428
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 2: that they've fallen a little bit down to where is

2429
01:54:28,040 --> 01:54:30,360
Speaker 2: maybe more normal in terms of the standings in the West.

2430
01:54:30,360 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 2: But what a year.

2431
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:36,480
Speaker 1: They had a Simone fan Techio, Simone Simone Techio.

2432
01:54:36,680 --> 01:54:38,840
Speaker 2: We had that short that did well with the White

2433
01:54:38,920 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 2: Lotus won a couple of Golden Globes. Shout out to

2434
01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:44,080
Speaker 2: Mike White, what a year, man.

2435
01:54:44,240 --> 01:54:49,160
Speaker 3: What Danny's gonna get some Executive of the Year votes

2436
01:54:49,200 --> 01:54:51,440
Speaker 3: if they continue to be in this play interment, which

2437
01:54:51,440 --> 01:54:54,240
Speaker 3: I think they will. They've played twenty games at home

2438
01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:55,280
Speaker 3: twenty four.

2439
01:54:55,480 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 4: On the road.

2440
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:59,400
Speaker 3: I know that's not a huge split, but being where

2441
01:54:59,400 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 3: they are in terms of the record right now that

2442
01:55:02,640 --> 01:55:04,920
Speaker 3: if they played even number of games, they'd be a

2443
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 3: five hundred team, it's not.

2444
01:55:06,360 --> 01:55:07,800
Speaker 2: You still think they'll be five hundred at the end

2445
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 2: of the year. I do.

2446
01:55:08,680 --> 01:55:09,000
Speaker 4: I don't know.

2447
01:55:09,040 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 3: It's tough to set, but I'm gonna go with it.

2448
01:55:12,000 --> 01:55:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm gonna roll with it because they do have a

2449
01:55:14,000 --> 01:55:19,600
Speaker 3: great home crowd. Yeah, it's it's tough because Larry Marketing

2450
01:55:19,680 --> 01:55:22,560
Speaker 3: has been so good. The injury thing is really gonna

2451
01:55:22,600 --> 01:55:25,280
Speaker 3: hurt at some point. Jordan Crkson has also been really good,

2452
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:28,080
Speaker 3: and that's why their defense is kind of at times.

2453
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:32,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, there's still a positive in the net rating category.

2454
01:55:33,200 --> 01:55:35,800
Speaker 3: I think they o Chaia Baji, the other guy that

2455
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:40,440
Speaker 3: they got from the Cleveland trade, is starting to play.

2456
01:55:41,560 --> 01:55:42,000
Speaker 4: I believe.

2457
01:55:42,120 --> 01:55:43,440
Speaker 3: I know he's not he's not going to be a

2458
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:46,920
Speaker 3: big factor, but I believe they'll be a ish.

2459
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:49,920
Speaker 2: A five is if in the final couple weeks the

2460
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:53,160
Speaker 2: season they're fighting for a playing spot and you have

2461
01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:56,440
Speaker 2: let's say lowry Marketing in your All Star game in

2462
01:55:56,520 --> 01:55:59,120
Speaker 2: Salt Lake City. I mean, that's a hell of it.

2463
01:55:59,200 --> 01:56:01,720
Speaker 2: That's a win. Win there. Man, what a season. This

2464
01:56:01,880 --> 01:56:02,640
Speaker 2: is already a win.

2465
01:56:02,760 --> 01:56:04,480
Speaker 1: I know, the only thing we talked about with the

2466
01:56:04,560 --> 01:56:08,080
Speaker 1: Jazz over the summer was their trades and how dumb

2467
01:56:08,120 --> 01:56:10,840
Speaker 1: their uniforms looked. Now we're talking about them having a

2468
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:13,040
Speaker 1: cool All Star What a win.

2469
01:56:13,680 --> 01:56:15,600
Speaker 3: The finisher great nickname as well.

2470
01:56:15,800 --> 01:56:17,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you see a mere Bluomenfeld wants to start

2471
01:56:17,720 --> 01:56:23,240
Speaker 2: calling him Mortal Kombat. Mm hmmm because he finishes. Okay,

2472
01:56:23,320 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 2: I like that. I do actually.

2473
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:27,240
Speaker 4: Get over here.

2474
01:56:28,600 --> 01:56:32,640
Speaker 2: They said it's a scorpion. Said, yeah, there's a bunch

2475
01:56:32,640 --> 01:56:35,640
Speaker 2: of good nicknames for NBA players scored within the Mortal.

2476
01:56:36,080 --> 01:56:43,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trey Blade, Johnny Cage, like, these are all good nicknames,

2477
01:56:44,440 --> 01:56:47,440
Speaker 1: the Johnny Cage of the NBA. Tune in after the break.

2478
01:56:47,240 --> 01:56:48,600
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, let's take our final.

2479
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 4: Breaks a segment.

2480
01:56:49,840 --> 01:56:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we got pay the bills. We'll be right back. Well,

2481
01:56:54,880 --> 01:56:57,360
Speaker 2: we've done it. New record for the New Dunks Boys,

2482
01:56:57,440 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 2: longest podcast of the season, longest podcasted in quite some time.

2483
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 2: I'd have to check the record books, But have we

2484
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 2: ever gone two plus hours? Probably? But we got a

2485
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:15,720
Speaker 2: whole block here. We're just recap in our tiers. Let's

2486
01:57:15,760 --> 01:57:18,040
Speaker 2: take a look. Do we want to change anything after

2487
01:57:18,120 --> 01:57:20,440
Speaker 2: having three ads to listen to to think about it?

2488
01:57:21,800 --> 01:57:23,440
Speaker 1: Sorry, we can't. They're already graphic.

2489
01:57:23,640 --> 01:57:24,400
Speaker 2: Okay.

2490
01:57:25,200 --> 01:57:31,280
Speaker 1: Our championship contenders the NBA Finals tier. We got the Celtics, Bucks, Sixers, Nuggets, Warriors,

2491
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:33,120
Speaker 1: and the Memphis Grizzlies.

2492
01:57:33,240 --> 01:57:36,520
Speaker 2: Okay, quick question off of that, which team that we

2493
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:39,160
Speaker 2: have in our NBA Finals tier will we get the

2494
01:57:39,160 --> 01:57:44,960
Speaker 2: biggest pushback against? Will the fans go not not that team?

2495
01:57:45,200 --> 01:57:47,120
Speaker 2: Which one do you think it is? As I think

2496
01:57:47,120 --> 01:57:51,320
Speaker 2: it's between the Sixers and then the Grizzlies.

2497
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, but not the Warriors.

2498
01:57:54,840 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 2: I was going to say Warriors too.

2499
01:57:56,280 --> 01:58:01,080
Speaker 1: But next category are five four flirts that we got,

2500
01:58:01,080 --> 01:58:04,320
Speaker 1: the Nets and the Pelicans, two teams that we kind

2501
01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 1: of are using as we're not sure what they're gonna do.

2502
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:11,560
Speaker 2: Here, but they're very talented teams. Yeah. I like where

2503
01:58:11,600 --> 01:58:13,800
Speaker 2: we have them slotted. I like that we have eight

2504
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:16,320
Speaker 2: teams in those top two tiers. That's nice. It is

2505
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:20,400
Speaker 2: making a little sense to us. Yeah, I mean I

2506
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:21,040
Speaker 2: like that spot.

2507
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:22,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.

2508
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 1: Our playoff lock teams are the Calves, Heat, Knicks, Mavericks, Clippers, Sons,

2509
01:58:28,120 --> 01:58:31,480
Speaker 1: and the Sacramento Kings hashtag light the Beam, Light the Beam,

2510
01:58:31,720 --> 01:58:33,080
Speaker 1: hashtag break the streak.

2511
01:58:33,160 --> 01:58:34,600
Speaker 2: So I don't know if we're gonna do this again,

2512
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:36,360
Speaker 2: you know, end of the year whatever. It be a

2513
01:58:36,400 --> 01:58:38,640
Speaker 2: little weird, I guess heading into the playoffs knowing the matchups,

2514
01:58:38,640 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 2: but uh, we're gonna be wrong about one two, maybe

2515
01:58:42,720 --> 01:58:46,440
Speaker 2: even throw it. We're probably gonna be drastically wrong either way, right,

2516
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:50,280
Speaker 2: you know, Calves Heat going a massive second half run.

2517
01:58:51,160 --> 01:58:53,520
Speaker 2: You know, Clippers fall apart, Suns continue to slide like

2518
01:58:53,560 --> 01:58:56,000
Speaker 2: something like something like that will happen, and I can't

2519
01:58:56,000 --> 01:58:56,600
Speaker 2: wait to find them.

2520
01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:57,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't wait. Skets.

2521
01:58:59,160 --> 01:59:01,920
Speaker 1: Actually, there's fifth team teams in our top three tiers,

2522
01:59:02,800 --> 01:59:04,560
Speaker 1: so we need another one. So we need one more

2523
01:59:04,600 --> 01:59:07,240
Speaker 1: team in our playoff lock, and it will come from

2524
01:59:07,280 --> 01:59:14,600
Speaker 1: the play in potential category. Right now, we got the Hawks, Bulls, Pacers, Raptors, Wizards, Lakers, Timberwolves,

2525
01:59:14,880 --> 01:59:17,160
Speaker 1: thunder Blazers, and Jazz.

2526
01:59:17,400 --> 01:59:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, there's a reason why we're missing an Eastern

2527
01:59:20,160 --> 01:59:22,600
Speaker 2: Conference playoff lock because look at those first five teams

2528
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:24,840
Speaker 2: we said they're in the playing potential in the East

2529
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:26,960
Speaker 2: the Hawks, the Bulls, the Pacers, the Wraps, and the Wizards.

2530
01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:30,560
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, I the Pacers have played the

2531
01:59:30,600 --> 01:59:35,320
Speaker 2: best of those five, but yeah, like like how could

2532
01:59:35,360 --> 01:59:37,880
Speaker 2: you put like how could you have confidence really in

2533
01:59:37,880 --> 01:59:39,960
Speaker 2: in really any of those teams that we just listed there.

2534
01:59:40,000 --> 01:59:42,600
Speaker 2: So that's the tough part. That's why they're there, man.

2535
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:44,720
Speaker 3: That's why they're there. One of them could make a run.

2536
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:47,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, probably our Raptors, man, they're not gonna

2537
01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:47,720
Speaker 2: lose again.

2538
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:51,880
Speaker 1: And our final, our final group, the Area fifty one

2539
01:59:51,920 --> 01:59:54,920
Speaker 1: teams in the mix for the Alien Victor Wembin Yama.

2540
01:59:55,560 --> 02:00:00,120
Speaker 1: We got the Hornets, Pistons, Magic Rockets, and Spurs.

2541
02:00:00,840 --> 02:00:03,600
Speaker 2: Yep and and right now, you know, you look at Tankathon,

2542
02:00:03,680 --> 02:00:06,240
Speaker 2: those are the five worst teams in the league. It

2543
02:00:06,280 --> 02:00:08,480
Speaker 2: goes Houston, it goes Charlotte, it goes Detroit, to go

2544
02:00:08,560 --> 02:00:11,600
Speaker 2: San Antonio, goes Orlando. Working from one two five. You know,

2545
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:13,560
Speaker 2: you want me to sim this lottery, give me a

2546
02:00:13,640 --> 02:00:16,680
Speaker 2: quick sim. I look at Tankathon regularly, you know, just

2547
02:00:16,720 --> 02:00:18,800
Speaker 2: to check. It's the best place for me to check

2548
02:00:18,880 --> 02:00:21,600
Speaker 2: remaining strength of schedule. It's a good point.

2549
02:00:21,680 --> 02:00:23,280
Speaker 1: But every time I see it, I gotta take a

2550
02:00:23,360 --> 02:00:27,920
Speaker 1: spin Alright, I'm gonna spin away boys, spin away Sam

2551
02:00:28,240 --> 02:00:33,520
Speaker 1: lottery one click. That's all. You're not gonna believe who

2552
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:38,440
Speaker 1: won this one. The Lakers won, but that doesn't mean one.

2553
02:00:39,080 --> 02:00:43,120
Speaker 2: That means the New Orleans Pelicans are getting web Minyama

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Speaker 2: to pair with Zion Ingram McCollum, Daniels alvaradoun Is, how

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Speaker 2: could I forget him?

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Speaker 4: Who else?

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Speaker 2: I'm still missing?

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Speaker 1: Guys vacuum, Davante Graham had Jackson, Wow, haze.

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Speaker 2: And if you're really curious, we had the Wizards second,

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Speaker 2: Joel Myers Magic, third, Hawk's fourth. So not a good

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Speaker 2: sim for the really bad teams outside of maybe of

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Speaker 2: the magic. That would be bad for the Rockets, the

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Speaker 2: hornets and the pistons all falling out and spurs all

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Speaker 2: falling out there. Oh that was fun. Wow, that was fun.

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Speaker 3: David Griffin Executive of the Year votes Wow.

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Speaker 1: Oh oh yes, yes, I have the trade all right?

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Speaker 1: We call it there.

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Speaker 2: You agree or disagree with our tears where we've slotted

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Speaker 2: in all thirty teams. Let us know. I know you've

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Speaker 2: been doing so in the stream. Team, let us know

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Speaker 2: in the YouTube comments. Tweet it in at No dunk Sinc.

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Speaker 2: Or hell, if you're feeling really feisty, dump us an

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Speaker 2: email no dunks at the Athletic dot Com. That was

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Speaker 2: a long one. Thanks for sticking with us. I had

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Speaker 2: a blast.

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Speaker 1: I love this podcasts. Yeah, man, I like I like tears.

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Speaker 1: I like talking about every team, even it's just for

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Speaker 1: a little bit. That's the tiny little nuggety.

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Speaker 2: But we're back tomorrow. Drop podcast special guests. Mike Grade

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Speaker 2: is gonna join us, so join us ten AM Eastern

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Speaker 2: Live on YouTube. We'll flip that into a podcast as

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Speaker 2: soon as possible. Man, have fun up in Toronto, thanks

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Speaker 2: to the boys.

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Speaker 4: You have fun here in Georgia.

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Speaker 2: We will, we will, we will. Indeed, although it's a

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Speaker 2: tornado watch right now, so we should get out of here, yeah,

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Speaker 2: or hunker down in the Classic Factory. It's kind of

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Speaker 2: like I feel safe in here, safe under the table,

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Speaker 2: right we gotta go troll mode under the table. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: everybody stay safe here in Georgia with these tornado watchings.

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Speaker 2: But we'll be back tomorrow TENNAM Eastern. See that in

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Speaker 2: Cliver Rose. You heard it here first. Have a great time,

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Speaker 2: turn up. Love you guys awesome.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, and remember there are no cows

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Speaker 3: in Sacramento. That's a myth Wow, that says move Praise

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Speaker 3: the dude.