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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one, and today

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Speaker 1: in the show, we are joined by the CEO of

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Speaker 1: back Country Hunters and Anglers, Land Tawny, and we're discussing

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Speaker 1: the recent controversy around national monuments from a hunter angler

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Speaker 1: perspective and other public land issues and news. All right, folks,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Sitkat Gear. And today we're going to be joined

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Speaker 1: by Land Tawny. And Land is the CEO of back

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Speaker 1: Country Hunters and Anglers, the leading conservation organization fighting on

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Speaker 1: behalf of sportsmen, women for our public lands, wildlife and waters.

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Speaker 1: And we had Land on the show might have been

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Speaker 1: like two years ago now, but I wanted to have

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Speaker 1: him on again to discuss a topic that has been

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Speaker 1: all over the news over the past week or so,

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Speaker 1: and that is this national monument controversy. As you might

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Speaker 1: have heard or seen last week, President Trump announced that

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Speaker 1: his I cannot talk. His administration will be making drastic

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Speaker 1: cuts to protections on a couple of different pieces of

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Speaker 1: our public lands. Notably, he proposed a reduction in size

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Speaker 1: of Bearsier's National Monument by and cutting Grand Staircase Escalante

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Speaker 1: National Monument in half. So there's been a lot of

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Speaker 1: talk about what this means, what kind of precedent this sets,

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Speaker 1: and concerns um for you know, all sorts of different

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Speaker 1: concerns for those of us who value public lands and

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Speaker 1: wild places. So you might have seen something related to

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Speaker 1: this on your Facebook feed or on the nightly news.

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Speaker 1: But you know, there's also a decent bit of confusion

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Speaker 1: and maybe even some misinformation coming from both sides of

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Speaker 1: the issue too. So with all that hub ab out there,

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Speaker 1: I think it's probably pretty easy for a hunter or

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Speaker 1: angler to be a little confused about what all this means,

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Speaker 1: what we should be thinking and doing about all this.

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Speaker 1: So well that all be in the case. Land is

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Speaker 1: going to hop on here soon with us to help

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Speaker 1: us understand, you know, what national monuments are, what this

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Speaker 1: recent announcement means for the future of public lands, how

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Speaker 1: this is going to impact hunters and anglers, sportsmen and women.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, you know, we're also talking a little

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Speaker 1: issues that have been kind of rolling out over recent months,

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Speaker 1: and you know what we need to know as hunters

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Speaker 1: and anglers about all that. So so please please please

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Speaker 1: stick around for this one, because honestly, I really do

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Speaker 1: believe that the future of our ability to hunt and

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Speaker 1: fish and hike and camp and kayak and raft and

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Speaker 1: whatever explore these wild public places, that future is dependent

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Speaker 1: on us sportsmen and women understanding these issues and standing

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Speaker 1: up for these places. Because as Theodore Roosevelt once said, uh,

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna paraphrase here, but he said, the wild

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Speaker 1: creatures cannot speak for themselves, so we must and we will,

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Speaker 1: and I think that is very much still true today.

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Speaker 1: So so that's the main event for the episode here.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to that, as we do every week,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take maybe ten minutes, fifteen minutes. We'll see

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Speaker 1: how it goes for our weekly pregame show, catching up

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Speaker 1: on the latest and the hunting adventures of myself and

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Speaker 1: the one and only Extraordinary. I don't have a really

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Speaker 1: great intro for you to, Dan, but your story now,

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Speaker 1: I'll give you that, one of a kind. So am

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Speaker 1: I right on all that, Dan, This is important stuff

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Speaker 1: our updates. Yeah, yeah, dude, I tell you what, i

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Speaker 1: these public land scenarios. You know, it's like you have

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Speaker 1: or sell them off, etcetera, etcetera. UM, right from the

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Speaker 1: So I think this this issue is is near and

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Speaker 1: helping us understand exactly what's happening, what is rio, what

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Speaker 1: is noise. What really matters, UM. Why these things are

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Speaker 1: there's a lot more opportunity for that. But what I

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Speaker 1: related to public lands, it's related a lot of things

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Speaker 1: It's in my messy desks somewhere, but anyway, it's just like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: And it's just a list and you know, maybe someday

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Speaker 1: get right into some kind of current hot topics, uh

430
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Speaker 1: that are going on right now, and that's related to

431
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 1: national monuments. Um So, Landing, I know that you've got

432
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:07,479
Speaker 1: a lot of experience and understanding of of what all

433
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: this means, what's happening today in current events in the news.

434
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 1: I think a lot of hunters and anglers over the

435
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: last week or so have seen talk of national monuments

436
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 1: and what's going on over in Utah with Bears, Ears

437
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: and Grand Staircase escalante. Um. So I was hoping we

438
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: could talk about that and at a high level, can

439
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 1: you maybe kick things off for us by helping us understand,

440
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 1: you know, what, what is a national monument and uh,

441
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,640
Speaker 1: maybe you talk about the history of that too, how

442
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: they came to be, what you know, what that has

443
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 1: meant in the history of public lands for sure. So

444
00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 1: you know, I think that like you go back to

445
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 1: Theodore Roosevelt. And you know, when Roosevelt was in the presidency,

446
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: it's kind of when our conservation ethic, I really I

447
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: think became really part of the fabric of America and

448
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: anyone is that's carried through today what kind of the

449
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: envy of the world. And one of the tools in

450
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: the toolbox, you know that that he signed in the

451
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 1: law in nineteen o six was the Antiquities Act. Antiquities

452
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: Act gives the president the ability is set aside lands

453
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 1: for cultural reasons, um as well as scientific and so

454
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: you know he started and I'll still step back, is

455
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: that you know, prior to him signing that bill into law,

456
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: the Boot and Crocket Club which came on in eight seven,

457
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 1: you know, they were looking and trying to figure out,

458
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: you know, different tools in the toolbox for the president

459
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: to help like conserve some of the best of the best.

460
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 1: And so you know they helped write the law. President

461
00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: signs it into law in nineteen o six and then um,

462
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,760
Speaker 1: you know he starts to designate these monuments and really

463
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: what these monuments. You know, it doesn't really stop a

464
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: lot of existing uses and so where that's crazy, hunting, fishing,

465
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: all that stuff is allowed. What it does pretty clear

466
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:58,040
Speaker 1: is UH is extractive kind of industry, so oil and gas,

467
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:02,439
Speaker 1: um and let's say cold and and so you know

468
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 1: this this act has been used by sixteen presidents, that's

469
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: eight Democrats and eight Republicans. UH stood the test of time,

470
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,479
Speaker 1: you know, to where you know, these are very special

471
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: places and it hasn't been used that much, but it's

472
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: been done to you know, protect places. I think the

473
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: other thing that this is not just it's not just

474
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: a it's not a law that really has been you know.

475
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 1: It's it's just like the president one day wakes up

476
00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, I like that area, and I'm

477
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: gonna go designate this place at the National Monument. And

478
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot of conversations with people on the ground. Um.

479
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,680
Speaker 1: One of the ones that Roosevelt did was Mount Olympus

480
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: in Washington, which he did strictly to protect elk um.

481
00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: And you know that those elk ended up being named

482
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,199
Speaker 1: Roosevelt elk by the guy who was the tax like

483
00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: they did the taxonomy there. But um, that was after

484
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 1: talking to a bunch of local people and at that

485
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: point they were under threat kind of some timber harvest

486
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: um like un federed like timber harvest, and that's why

487
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,800
Speaker 1: that doesn't have a monument. So, um, it's something that

488
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: you know, again, I mean these aren't there's not you know,

489
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 1: the review it was undertaken by the President this year

490
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:12,960
Speaker 1: UM encompassed eleven million acres, which that was twenty seven monuments, UM.

491
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 1: And when you think about eleven million acres in the

492
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: actual whole of what we have as our public lands,

493
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: you know, we have six hundred and forty million acres

494
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: and so that eleven million acres is a real kind

495
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,119
Speaker 1: of small chunk of that and really the best of

496
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,080
Speaker 1: the best, you know, I'll I'll take the the Upper

497
00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: Missouri breaks National Monument that's here in Montana. UM. You

498
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: know it it was designated by President Clinton and it

499
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: and it wasn't done you know, in total no no controversy.

500
00:27:42,520 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: There was definitely controversy there. Um. But now it's like

501
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: one of the best places to hunt elk, big orange sheep,

502
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 1: and mule deer an entire world. And it's a coveted,

503
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: coveted place to hunt. And so you know, the Antiquities

504
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: Act is something again that's still the test of time

505
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: until recently the recent actions it doesn't happened this last year. Yeah,

506
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: and it's it's interesting when you look back in history

507
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,919
Speaker 1: to to the actions of of Teddy Roosevelt. You know,

508
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: even then when he signed this into law soon after

509
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: began creating national monuments of his own, it was not

510
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: without controversy either, right, there were people back then who

511
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: were happy with him doing these things. UM. But for example,

512
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: like you mentioned on Olympus UM. Now I think that

513
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 1: eventually was evolved into Olympic National Park UM or the

514
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 1: Grand Canyon at the time was very controversial when he

515
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: proclaimed that a national monument. Now, of course, I don't

516
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: think there's anyone in the world who who thinks it's

517
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: a bad idea that we protected that area. UM. That said,

518
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: there still were those um with different incentives or different motivations.

519
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: Excuse me who who didn't want that to happen. Now

520
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: moving forward looking down the line, now, UM, from a

521
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: hunter perspective, UM, you know, how have national monuments fit

522
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: into you know, hunter access um, hunter opportunity Because a

523
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: lot of people like to say, oh, national monuments that

524
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: they put all these new restrictions. You can't hunt, you

525
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,600
Speaker 1: can't gain access, you can't do all these things. I'm

526
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: hearing this in the news right now from certain certain

527
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: people and parties. UM. And as I understand, I'm saying,

528
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm thinking that's largely false. UM. Can you can you

529
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: clarify that for me? Yeah, you know, the twenty seven

530
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: national monuments that were under review, like all the ones

531
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: that you could hunt on prior to designation, you can

532
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: you could hunt on after designation. So none of that changed. UM.

533
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: The I think the again, the big thing that changes

534
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: is that that you cannot do oil and gas extraction,

535
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: coal uranium like other kind of large kind of restraction

536
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: extraction kind of activities. And so the hunting, um, the

537
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: fishing opportunities that were there before you still have them today. UM.

538
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 1: And and so that was not changed at all. Now,

539
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: I will tell you, um that there's a National monument.

540
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 1: It's called Castle Mountains and it's uh, it's in California.

541
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: It was not one of the monuments that was under

542
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: review because it didn't fit like the size requirement. UM.

543
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,080
Speaker 1: But that's the case where a new manager came in

544
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: and the manager was like, I don't think that that

545
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 1: hunting is uh, you know, the necessary use here, and

546
00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: and so they stopped hunting on that national monument. Now,

547
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: is that something that we were disciplined in, absolutely, and

548
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: that's something that we're working to rectrify, both with Secretary

549
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 1: of Interior Zinki and then also a local congressman in California.

550
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: So that did happen. I think one of the things

551
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: that you know, we put together a report um that

552
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,960
Speaker 1: people can go look at online, and it's it's really

553
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: about kind of like the history of national monuments and

554
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: then the way that you know that some of the

555
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 1: greatest hunting opportunities in this country that are all national monuments,

556
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: and then how we like to see them going forward.

557
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: And one of the ways to exclude what just happened

558
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 1: or that happened Castle Mountains is to really have hunting

559
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: part of that proclamation from the beginning, so that no

560
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 1: matter what it's it's designated as a use that wants

561
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: to be carried forward. So I'm not gonna, you know,

562
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,720
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell you like that every single national

563
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: monument everywhere in the United States is like the best

564
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: things and slight spread. But the ones that were under

565
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 1: review you could hunt before um this whole review or

566
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: before that they were designated. And now we'll be quite Frank,

567
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: you don't think you can hunt afterwards. Nothing is really

568
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: changed there. What has changed again is kind of this

569
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: opportunities for extraction. And I'll take staircase that's Coalante in particular.

570
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: You know, desert bighorn sheep are not doing great. You know,

571
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: their populations are on the rise in some parts of

572
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 1: the country, but others, you know, they're dwindling. And the

573
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,040
Speaker 1: staircase that's Galante happens to have some of the best

574
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,960
Speaker 1: habits have for desert bighorn sheep. Well, with that, with

575
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 1: this change in management which is happening with the decision

576
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: that the President made on Monday, because now you know

577
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: that cold Reserve, which is smacked in the middle of

578
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: some of the best bighornes or desert big win sheep

579
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: habits at is now like there's an opportunity to extract that.

580
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: And you know, those big horn sheep can't speak for themselves,

581
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: right um, And I guess is they don't want coal

582
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: in their bedroom. But you know, like that's that's why

583
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why we're very disappointed with that,

584
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: with that designation change desgnation, I guess let's let's speak

585
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 1: about that a little bit more because because two things,

586
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: two myths, I want to kind of make sure that

587
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: we clarify. And these are kind of coming from both

588
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: sides a little bit. You hear those in favor of

589
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: either changing the size of the monuments or trying to

590
00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: send them entirely. That kind of camp there likes to

591
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: say that national monuments are a land grab by the

592
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: federal government. Now, I think you can correct me if

593
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, but I think that's pretty inaccurate as anything

594
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 1: that can become a national monument, any national monument was

595
00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: federal public land already. They're not taking private land, they're

596
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:00,080
Speaker 1: not taking state land. They're simply saying, Okay, this is

597
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 1: federal public land already, we're gonna proclaim it a national monument,

598
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: which gives it some additional protections. Now, on the flip side,

599
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: after what happened here this week, um where the talk

600
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 1: of of of downsize and the monuments, there's some who

601
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 1: are are upset about that, but they're saying the president

602
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: stealing your land. Now, as much as I appreciate the

603
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 1: sentiment of wanting to keep our public land public, that

604
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: is kind of that's uh, You're you're playing loose with

605
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,719
Speaker 1: the facts. A little bit there because even in this case, right,

606
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: we are not eliminating public land, We're not selling public land.

607
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: It's just reducing protections on public land. Is that? Am

608
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: I right? In that assessment, mark your students, and you're

609
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: getting through kind of a rhetoric on both sides, right.

610
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: I think that, UM, it wasn't a you know, like

611
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: you said before, it wasn't a land grab. This was

612
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: just another level of protection. UM. And again, you know

613
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: all the places we could hunt and fish before those

614
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 1: destinations on the twenty seven, you know, there were review

615
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: we can we can out and fish after the monuments

616
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: were designated, and then we're not mesing, not being sold.

617
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: And I think, you know, I think that there are

618
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: some people that want to take advantage of the kind

619
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: of the growing awareness and kind of the ire you

620
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 1: know that happened around you know, let's say Chafe. It's

621
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: UM back in and back in March when he tried

622
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: to sell three million acres like that with the the

623
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 1: I guess action was swift and it was unapologetic, and

624
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: I think that we're trying to like cash in on that. UM.

625
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: In this instance, this is not about selling public lands.

626
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 1: It's more about like a sellout to industry, um and

627
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:41,239
Speaker 1: reducing those protections and so you know, is that going

628
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: to happen again? I think something to be careful there too,

629
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,240
Speaker 1: is you know, is that cold that I talked about

630
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: um in uh in Escalante, is that gonna be developed small?

631
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 1: It's not gonna drow up small, but it's definitely a

632
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: threat and it's a threat to that habitat. And that's

633
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: why it was set aside in the first place. When

634
00:34:57,320 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: I think about all the oils and gas that's you know,

635
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: they're yours ears. Um. You know, if oil stays at

636
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: fifty dollars a barrel, that's not going to be developed.

637
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 1: You know, if oil goes back up, there's definitely gonna

638
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:10,760
Speaker 1: be a threat there. So um, this is not about

639
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: a sell off of public lands at all. And I

640
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,919
Speaker 1: think I think that hurts credibility before you're honest smart yeah, um,

641
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: because you know that that wolf is that that wolf

642
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: is crying and or your people are crying wolf. And

643
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 1: I just like it doesn't make sense to me. Um

644
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: besides the point that they're trying to capitalize on some

645
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: of the anger that people have already expressed. But I

646
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: think it's disingenuous. Yeah, I felt the same way, And

647
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: I felt like you're you're losing credibility when you when

648
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: you start skewing things in that way, Like there's already

649
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: enough here to um to say, hey, this is an issue,

650
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. I think there's already enough factually

651
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,400
Speaker 1: that you can point to this being something that's concerning.

652
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,279
Speaker 1: You don't need to exaggerate it even more and then

653
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 1: just lose your ability to to be on the right

654
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: side of the facts. Um. So that was disappointing to see.

655
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: But but I guess you know, to your earlier point,

656
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: it is also disappointing that these protections are being taken

657
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: away and that the opportunity for these places that are

658
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: very very special places, not just from a hunting and

659
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: fishing perspective, not just from a recreation, climbing, hiking, backpacking perspective,

660
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: but also, um, you know, from a cultural perspective to

661
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: the to the native tribes there. Um. And I know

662
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 1: that's a little bit outside of our wheelhouse of what

663
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: we usually talk about when it comes to the hunting

664
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: an angland community, but still something pretty important that should

665
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: certainly should be respected. Um. Can you can you kind

666
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: of give us a high level overview, though because we

667
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: kind of jumped right into it, we didn't really talk

668
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: in detail about what actually happened. What, why was this

669
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: review started, what were the final decisions, what was announced

670
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: this week? What does it mean? Right? So you know,

671
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: the President ask secretary thinking early last year, and let's

672
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: a review. Um. You know what like the national monuments

673
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: that have been designated over the last they went back

674
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: twenty five years um and just to see you know,

675
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: how they were designated, to see if you know, if

676
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: they made sense. Um. And so you know, the Secretary

677
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: I went to this review process and went out and

678
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: visited I think you know, half a dozen or about

679
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: a dozen or so monuments um. And and and then

680
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: you know, gave kind of I guess. At the same time,

681
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,320
Speaker 1: there was a public comment period, and this public comment

682
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 1: period generated over a million comments. Um. Those comments have

683
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: been analyzed UM. And about nine percent of time, we're

684
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: keeping you know, these monuments the way they are with

685
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: that organized effort, absolutely because people saw the threat of

686
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: those protections being taken away. UM. But it's overwhelmingly when

687
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: it's too um. And so then there was an a

688
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: leaked memo. Now they came out this summer. It was

689
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: from the Secretary up to the President that gave some

690
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: indication on which ones that they were looking at. UM,

691
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: Staircase come on to UH and Bearis areas were kind

692
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 1: at the top of those lists. And so then you

693
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: get to you know, there's a bunch of time has

694
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: passed since then. You didn't really know if it was

695
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: the actual final report because it was a leak document

696
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: um and and you know there was some discrepancies in

697
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: there um that weren't factual. And then you get to

698
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: what happened this Monday, and that's really the President went

699
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: down to Utah, and you know, the reductions of and

700
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: and proposed major I mean these aren't little teeny like

701
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: you know, like redrawing of kind of lines. These are major,

702
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: major reductions, um and and so that's where we are now. Now. Um,

703
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: there's lawsuits that are being filed, and I think we

704
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: looked into the legal side of this a lot. We're

705
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: not going to follow the lawsuit ourselves, but you know

706
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: that I think we think the president's action was illegal. Again,

707
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:57,200
Speaker 1: these aren't little boundary restrict boundary kind of adjustments. These

708
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: are major, major rollbacks. And so we're gonna be caught

709
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: up in court, which you know is unfortunate, but it

710
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: also provides a backstop. At the same time. You know,

711
00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: you've got legislation that's proposed by Congressman Bishop out of

712
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 1: Utah to totally change the way the Antiquities Act works, um,

713
00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: and only do it for cultural reasons and take the

714
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 1: scientific piece out of that. And so when you think

715
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 1: about places like the Upper Missouri breaks here in Montana,

716
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 1: like it's got some cultural resources, but the majority of

717
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 1: that is, you know, because it's just a special place

718
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: that really doesn't duplicated anywhere else, and so for scientific

719
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: reasons keeping it that way, and you know, and protecting

720
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 1: the wildlife resources that are there. So I think, you know,

721
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 1: there's there's there's some unknowns now and what's gonna happen

722
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: mark Um. You know, I think that it is kind

723
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: of a sad day. The largest you know, protection rollback

724
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,080
Speaker 1: that's ever happened in this country where that's monuments or

725
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: anything else. Um. And so that's just a bad precedence

726
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: to be setting. I think, you know, the worry that

727
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: we have is that you know I talked earlier, is

728
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:02,800
Speaker 1: that so far this this law and the monument of

729
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 1: nations have really stood the test of touch. And now

730
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: that you know this has happened, you know, they like,

731
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: what what happens to the rest of the monuments that

732
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 1: are out there and and how safe are they? They

733
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: become a political football. It gets passing forward between administration

734
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:22,959
Speaker 1: to administration administration, which causes a lot of um ambiguity

735
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,399
Speaker 1: and and causes UM, I think a lot of unknowns

736
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,720
Speaker 1: that you know, is that what's going to happen, and

737
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,919
Speaker 1: you know that that quite possibly could happen. And that's

738
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:34,239
Speaker 1: why I would through this whole thing. You know, we

739
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 1: kind of we used the mantra like you know, attack

740
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: on one is attack on the mall because you're really

741
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 1: going to after the sanctity that has been the Antiquities

742
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: Act till date. So, UM, there's a lot. I mean,

743
00:40:46,239 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: it's not my crystal ball. Even it's kind of hard

744
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 1: to say what's gonna happen. I mean, I think this

745
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 1: is something will go all the way up to the

746
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 1: Supreme Court. Um, and how long that fakes? Who knows,

747
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 1: and then we'll see, you know, what's happening to the

748
00:40:58,040 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 1: legislative level. UM. I will tell you that I don't

749
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: think this is something that the President came up with.

750
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: I definitely don't think it's something that Secretary I think

751
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: he came up with. I think this is pressure that's

752
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: coming out of Utah. Um where you know, we like

753
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 1: a lot of this kind of anti public land Rederick

754
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: comes out of and whether that's you know, the sale

755
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 1: of public lands or the change in management, and it's

756
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: really being driven out of Utah and it's unfortunate. But

757
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: it's also a place that there really isn't you know,

758
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 1: a lot of sportsman engagement in Utah. And I think

759
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: about you know, that's a you know, we're growing a

760
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: chapter there, but it's it's Uh. I think part of

761
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: the reason that that these policies are coming out of

762
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: there and the anst is coming out of there, and

763
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 1: just because there isn't really a good organized sportsman space

764
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,479
Speaker 1: in Utah, is there some is there some political back

765
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: scratching happening here? Um that could be why some of

766
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: these things are happening that the Utah delegation wants. But

767
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: that seemed to be opposed to some of the other

768
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: things that Secretary Zinki has has said are important to

769
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: him in this administration, like public land I mean, you

770
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: were hearing these things, you know, early on in the

771
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: in the administration, that they're going to be four sportsmen

772
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: and four public lands, etcetera, etcetera, Teddy Roosevelt Republican, um.

773
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: But some of these actions more recently seem um, maybe

774
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,560
Speaker 1: not in line with that. Is this something you know

775
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: that's getting right into the dirty stuff of politics, Maybe

776
00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: it's causing all this. I think I think that's part

777
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, I think you know, back to

778
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:33,719
Speaker 1: Roosevelt today, I mean you talked about how you know,

779
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,439
Speaker 1: he wasn't necessarily applauded by every single American for doing

780
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: these destinations, right, there were people that were opposed to

781
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: him and the people that were opposed to them. A

782
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 1: really big industry, and I think if you don't have

783
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: to look too much farther to simplify kind of what's

784
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 1: going on here, is that you know, this is big industry.

785
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:52,359
Speaker 1: They've developed a lot of this country, and um, they

786
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: want to develop arm you know, the the least sales

787
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: that happened for oil and gas, like on the outside

788
00:42:57,520 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 1: of bears, there's just this last year like that's right

789
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: on the doorstep, and they want to get more and

790
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: so and I think things that for us to think

791
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: about as Americans is that, you know, oil and gas

792
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 1: development is important, but it's like it's it's when that's

793
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: done in the right way. And again, right now this

794
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 1: market is flooded with with cheap oil and gas, and

795
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: so it doesn't make sense for us to you have

796
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,399
Speaker 1: to develop in these places. Um. You know, what makes

797
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 1: you America unique is you know, some of our protected

798
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: places where we can hunt and fish, the protecting cultural

799
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:31,439
Speaker 1: resources you know, you name it, clean air, clean water,

800
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: and I think you know, still go these public planers

801
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: kind of still goes Americans. I think we really need

802
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: to look ourselves in the mirror and and do we

803
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: want these special places to continue? You know? I mean

804
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: I think we haven't talked about other things yet, but

805
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, you look at the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

806
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: up in Alaska, or Bristol Bay up in Alaska, or

807
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: the Boundary you know, the Boundary water is up in Minnesota.

808
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,359
Speaker 1: These are all very very special places that not only

809
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: again provide you know, great opportunity to hunt and fish, um,

810
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: but are also you know, they provide clean air and

811
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: clean water. And to me, you know, like that's that's

812
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: the presence that's being said here is that it's kind

813
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: of development at all costs, And I just don't I

814
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: don't think that there's any point in our American history

815
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 1: that development at all costs, you know, been in the

816
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: best interest of the American people. Yeah, so something for

817
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 1: us all the same busily. Absolutely, I think I think

818
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: you're spot on, and of course to your point that

819
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,280
Speaker 1: there's a place for development. Of course, these different things

820
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: are are important in moderation and balance in the right

821
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 1: ways and the right places. And there are some places

822
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: that that it's not right to have those types of things.

823
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: And increasingly, I mean, there are fewer and fewer and

824
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 1: fewer places left that haven't been developed, bought up, sold off, um,

825
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,840
Speaker 1: whatever it might be. So man, we just need to

826
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 1: to protect or care for and conserve those last few

827
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: remaining places and resources we have. And speaking to you know,

828
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 1: kind of something you mentioned a little earlier, we talked

829
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: a little bit about how this um recent proposed reduction

830
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:07,839
Speaker 1: these national monuments has gotten some people kind of using

831
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: the same reddick that was used, and we talked about

832
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 1: the public land transfer, the proposed sale that Chavit's had

833
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: earlier in two thousands seventeen. I guess, um different things

834
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: on those lines now, that kind of movement, the the idea,

835
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 1: at least the public idea, you know, people talking about

836
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: a lot of trying to transfer sell public lands to

837
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 1: your point, got such a severe blowback from the hunting

838
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: and fishing community and others in the recreation um community

839
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 1: that I think that from what I've seen and heard,

840
00:45:34,080 --> 00:45:35,879
Speaker 1: that's kind of died down a little bit just because

841
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: they're kind of realizing how politically unpopular that is. But

842
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 1: I think from what I'm gathering and seeing, it still

843
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: seems like that is is a is a push, but

844
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 1: still maybe a long term goal, but it's trying to

845
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: be achieved by death by a thousand cuts. Um. It

846
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: seems like now they're taking this tact to try to

847
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,000
Speaker 1: just slowly chip away at protection, slowly chip away at

848
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: the resources of elible currently two agencies to manage these places,

849
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: slowly chip away at things so that they can say

850
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: five years from now, maybe well, you guys aren't doing

851
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: a good job managing your federal your national force. You're

852
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: not able to manage your BLM land. Um. The States

853
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,920
Speaker 1: could do a better job. Um. But of course the

854
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: reason being is that you slash our budgets by you

855
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 1: took away our law enforcement, uh you know, powers, you

856
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 1: took all these different things, um am, I right in

857
00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: in this kind of analysis of what's happening. Mark, What

858
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,960
Speaker 1: I love is you're doing your research, you know. And

859
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: I think that like your spot on and like ever

860
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: the student, right, And I think that's important everybody that's

861
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 1: listening to this is that you know, don't don't believe

862
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: the rhetoric, like like look at the facts, right, And

863
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 1: I think I think you're exactly right. Is that, you know,

864
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 1: I think our community, in particular the sport sportsman's community,

865
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: is in an awesome job at pushing back um. And

866
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,400
Speaker 1: so that has kind of gone to the back of

867
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: the line um where you know what part of the

868
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: push to kind of sell slash transfer these public lands

869
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: has really ultimately been about distraction, you know. And so

870
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,879
Speaker 1: now whether these protections are lifted or as you say,

871
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: budgets dwindle, um, you know, some of the same things

872
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: are being accomplished. And so I think it's you know,

873
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: up to all of us to say vigilant on that

874
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 1: beas and and I ultimately, you know, I I'm a

875
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: glass half all kind of guy, you know. UM, And

876
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: I think that you know, out of these these times

877
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,000
Speaker 1: that sometimes you feel like there's a lot of pressure. Um,

878
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: some great things come from that. You know, we've already

879
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: talked about kind of you know where the antiquities that

880
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: came originally kind of a conservation ethic. That's because this

881
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 1: country was in a rough spot. I mean, we're basically

882
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,360
Speaker 1: coming close to wiping a lot of wildlife you know,

883
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: off the off the American landscape. And in Hunters, you

884
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: know change that. You know, you look at the dirty

885
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: thuris when the lid was coming off the prairie when

886
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 1: we have the dust bowl, and that's when Hunter stepped

887
00:47:57,200 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: up and we you know, we taxed ourselves to Pitman Robertson. Um,

888
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 1: we established the Duck stamps you know that would go

889
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 1: right back into habitat. There's organizations like Ducks and limited

890
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: the National Wilde Federation form. Then, Um, you look at

891
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties when you know, actual rivers were on

892
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: fire in this country and that's where we got the

893
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 1: Queen Are and clean water racks and and so you know,

894
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 1: as we see what's going on now, what I think

895
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: is that I hope it does. Is that really UM

896
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 1: ignites kind of this this sportsman kind of conservation ethic

897
00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:34,840
Speaker 1: that that you know, quite frankly maybe has been dormant

898
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: for a little bit um and and people become complacent

899
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,200
Speaker 1: a little bit. And so with these threats, that hopes

900
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 1: that you know, more people UM step up to the

901
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 1: plate and that uh and that you know, not only

902
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: do UM we help stave off some of the things

903
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: that the threats that are out there, but that you know,

904
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: that unite and just make this country you've been better. Yeah,

905
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: it's a it's a great point. And you know, I've

906
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 1: been spending a lot of time over the last year

907
00:48:57,239 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: kind of studying the history of of our public lands

908
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 1: and the challenges we've faced. And to your point, there

909
00:49:02,600 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: definitely is this this back and forth that seems to happen,

910
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 1: you know, every every ten fifteen years, where we'll have

911
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:10,839
Speaker 1: a great success and then you have this blowback. So

912
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: you know, like you just said, like there's these issues

913
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: that happened in the thirties and forties, we all of

914
00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 1: a sudden established some new protections. Hunters, fisher fisherman, others

915
00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: step up. We have some great things like uh, oh, jeez,

916
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,600
Speaker 1: like you mentioned Pitt, Pitt and Robertson, etcetera. Um. But

917
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: then again in the fifties and sixties, then you have

918
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 1: a kind of rise up of you know, more industry,

919
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: more extraction, a little bit of unfettered capitalism that kind

920
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: of goes maybe a little bit too far. And then

921
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: again to your point, sixties and seventies, then there's the

922
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 1: environmental kind of movement, and then it goes back the

923
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: other way in the eighties with the sage brush rebellion

924
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: and um. Again it's it's this interesting yo yo effect.

925
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 1: So I hope you're right that we're now going to

926
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: see while there are threats, you know, this is gonna

927
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: be an opportunity for all those that care about these

928
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: places and these resources to again stand up and kind

929
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: of slow things down a little bit. Um. But could

930
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: you elaborate a little bit on some of these different

931
00:50:06,080 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: death by a thousand cuts, um things that are happening.

932
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: You mentioned what's happening with the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

933
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 1: Bristol Bay. Um. I think I would be interested in

934
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: hearing about your thoughts on what's going on with the

935
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: sage grouse conservation issue that's being rolled back, the BLM

936
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: management stuff being rolled back. A lot of things like

937
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: that all happening, and it's kind of fallen underneath the

938
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: radar because there's so many things now. But before we

939
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: have land tackle that one, let's take a quick second

940
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 1: to thank our partners at White Tailed Properties. This week

941
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:38,959
Speaker 1: with White Tailed Properties, we are joined by Brandon Schwartzlander,

942
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,880
Speaker 1: a land specialist out of Illinois, and Brandon is going

943
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: to be telling us about the importance of getting the

944
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:48,200
Speaker 1: next generation involved with land management. You know, that's a

945
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: great question. I think, Uh me personally, I think getting

946
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: kids involved early, and maybe not just kids, but but

947
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: anyone who hasn't experienced the outdoors or land. I'm mean,

948
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: it's it's just such an awesome advance. I honestly gotta

949
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 1: have to pinch myself sometimes because I need to do

950
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: this for a living. But you know when when I

951
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: have girls and some of them hunt, some of them

952
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: don't hunt, but just just being out we all shoot,

953
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: we all shoot bowse um, and we all experience the outdoors,

954
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: we shed hunt, we do all those things together. I

955
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:26,040
Speaker 1: just think that you can take away so much more

956
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 1: by spending time with whether it's your family, or friends

957
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: or whomever in in the woods or or you know,

958
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 1: on a piece of land. It's it's it's so much

959
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: better than than you know, having a phone stuck in

960
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,759
Speaker 1: your face or a laptop or whatever. I just think

961
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 1: it gives us an opportunity to go back to to

962
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: what we we're raised on and and I think, you know,

963
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that's missing to some degree and in society today.

964
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: But I just think when when you introduce things at

965
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 1: an early age. I think I was probably five when

966
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: I started um in the outdoors with my dad. But

967
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: it makes you want to be better, and it takes

968
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: you away from, you know, things that that can be

969
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: a negative influence. I just I feel like it's it's

970
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: such a positive thing for especially with family. I mean,

971
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:13,040
Speaker 1: when you can can do those things with your kids

972
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: and your wife or whatever. If you'd like to learn

973
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: more and to see the properties that Brandon currently has

974
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: listed for sale, visit white tail properties dot com. Backslash

975
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: swords Lander that's s W A R t Z l

976
00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:31,840
Speaker 1: A N D E R. And now back to my

977
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 1: question for land. Regarding other public land issues and concerns, yeah,

978
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I think the stage gross is

979
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: what's going on stage. Grass is a perfect example. So

980
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: setback trying to do this high level that I can.

981
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 1: I don't want them. If you want to ask more questions,

982
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: please do. But um so, the you know, like sage

983
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: grouse numbers are going down, potential for them to be

984
00:52:54,600 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: listened as in dangered species is real. With that, you know,

985
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:00,879
Speaker 1: if they were designated asn't endangered, the sus that comes

986
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: with all sorts of regulations and has huge implications for ranchers,

987
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,040
Speaker 1: has huge applications for oil and gas development. And so

988
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: about a decade ago people started working together and you

989
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:18,239
Speaker 1: know it's oil and gas, ranchers, state agencies, federal agencies,

990
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:22,920
Speaker 1: hundred hundred angler kind of organizations, and you know some

991
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: other kind of conservation organizations to try to how do

992
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: we how do we continue the traditions of ranching, how

993
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 1: do we continue to develop oil and gas, and how

994
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: do we protect this habitat? And so you know, through

995
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: that they came up with a conservation collaborative plan that

996
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: really helps stave off the listen to that bird. And

997
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 1: it was a path forward for everybody, which included you know,

998
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: oil and gas development. And you know, I think that

999
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: there's some folks that don't ever want to see any

1000
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: more oil and gas ever taken off of our public lands.

1001
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,280
Speaker 1: And I think, um there have a right to their opinion,

1002
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,399
Speaker 1: but that's it's not reality. And so what this did,

1003
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 1: because it really did a couple of things that you

1004
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 1: know did made it so oil and gas will be

1005
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,720
Speaker 1: done kind of um a phased kind of approach where

1006
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: instead of having a huge industrial complex like you're, you're

1007
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: doing oil and gas development and then clean it up

1008
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: kind of as you go, so the impacts on the

1009
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 1: resource are less. Um. And then it really did a

1010
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: good job of standing out of like focal areas um

1011
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 1: for stage grafs habitat and so you know, they do

1012
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: a thing called leaking in the spring where they get

1013
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 1: together and they do this little dance for the ladies

1014
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: and that's kind of their breeding regiment. And any kind

1015
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: of disturbance around these areas really, um it makes them

1016
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: so they don't they don't reproduce as well. And so

1017
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: those areas were less alone. They're called stage crafts core

1018
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: areas and and so now, um, this all happened, right,

1019
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: and I think collaboration, you know, there's there's uh when

1020
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,760
Speaker 1: when you collaborate, you don't get everything that you want,

1021
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: you know, and that's just the nature of collaboration at

1022
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: the same time, and that's the way America works, you know, UM,

1023
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: is that that they have to compromise and and so

1024
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: it was a path forward that everybody could live with.

1025
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: And now new administration, UM, they're rolling back those conservation

1026
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:17,680
Speaker 1: kind of collaborative, collaborative plans and and what that does.

1027
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 1: I think it does a couple of things. I think

1028
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: it has the immediate impact to sage grouse and the

1029
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: stage you know step ecosystem that they depend on, which

1030
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: also three four other species depend on, like prong worn

1031
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 1: antelope and mule deery in particular about a host of

1032
00:55:32,280 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: songbirds and other species that you know, I feel like

1033
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: an important that on the landscape. UM. So it has

1034
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: that initial impact there, but it's also you know, this

1035
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: idea that you're not supporting this collaborative work that happened

1036
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,400
Speaker 1: over at decade and so the collaboration is not easy.

1037
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: There's a lot of trust that is built there, um,

1038
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 1: and there's compromise and those are tough decisions that are made,

1039
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 1: but they're made. And and so you know, besides what

1040
00:55:57,880 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: this means to the habitat. Like I think it really

1041
00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: flies in the space that kind of collaboratives kind of effort,

1042
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,800
Speaker 1: and that has implications I think outside of sage grouse,

1043
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:08,839
Speaker 1: has been implications for other collaborative efforts that are going

1044
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: on over this country. And um it to me, that's

1045
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: like those are the two big hits. And you know, really, um,

1046
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 1: what the administration is talking about is running back these

1047
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: plans and then managing strictly for population size and not

1048
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: for habitat. And I think, you know, population size is

1049
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: one indication on how things are doing. But you know,

1050
00:56:31,560 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: they've talked about raising pen stage grouse, which has been

1051
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,799
Speaker 1: tried with other grouse species that are very similar and

1052
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 1: it's been highly ineffective. Um. And then you know what

1053
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: what happens when you have you know, a good population

1054
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: let's say, of sage grouse in Montana and Wyoming, and

1055
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:52,160
Speaker 1: we decided that we're just going to sacrifice Idaho and Utah.

1056
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: So um to me. Uh, you know what's interesting is

1057
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:03,400
Speaker 1: that the pushback has been pretty universal both from uh

1058
00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: Western governors from the Republican Party and from the Democratic

1059
00:57:07,120 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: Party and so UM, but they're not being listened to

1060
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 1: and I think that's the troubling part about this piece.

1061
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,840
Speaker 1: And so you know, as I think the real threat

1062
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: here is is that you know, yes, you're gonna have

1063
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: like the oil and gas folks are gonna have some

1064
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: initial years you know as this is realized where they

1065
00:57:23,840 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 1: get to maybe do things in a more kind of

1066
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 1: wide open arena. But what happens if this bird does

1067
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: get listed, you know, I mean that that's again where

1068
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: they're going to have that, then they'll make you major

1069
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: regulations on what they can do as well as ranching community.

1070
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: And so that's the unfortunate side of this thing. And

1071
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: UM to me, it's again it's just ignoring kind of

1072
00:57:44,560 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: what the people want UM and listening to kind of

1073
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: one one entity and that really is the oil and

1074
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: gas UH entity. And that's that's not what that collaborative

1075
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: effort was about. And I don't think that's what America

1076
00:57:56,600 --> 00:58:01,200
Speaker 1: is about. Yeah, speaking speaking of UH, some of the

1077
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: issues with some extraction UM industry desires, I guess you

1078
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: would touched on the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and UM

1079
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: I I this past September got to go on a

1080
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,360
Speaker 1: caribou hunt not quite not quite in the Arctic National

1081
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: Wildlife Refuge just south of their little ways. But but

1082
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: me and Steve Ronella and Yanni and that whole crew

1083
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: was up there and just had an unbelievable experience UM

1084
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 1: and just getting a taste of that type of place,

1085
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: that kind of scale of a landscape and seeing that wildlife,

1086
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: just the immensity of the amount of life there UM

1087
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 1: in a seemingly untouched, still pristine place. It was just

1088
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: it was unbelievable. And it is good to know that

1089
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: there are still places like that. In the Arctic National

1090
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 1: Wildlife Refuge is one such place that is so renowned

1091
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: and I think it's one of those places that even

1092
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 1: if you never get to go there, and just knowing

1093
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 1: that that is still there, it's still availed. UM that

1094
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:04,640
Speaker 1: at least for me, holds a lot of power UM

1095
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,040
Speaker 1: and and and uh and value. Can you talk a

1096
00:59:07,080 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: little bit about what's happening there? What why there's some

1097
00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 1: potential new threats and it's been an ongoing thing for

1098
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:16,120
Speaker 1: decades really, but why now most recently maybe there's concern

1099
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: about the future of that are too. That's great, by

1100
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 1: the way, it's super jealous that you got to go

1101
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 1: on that hunt. I had an opportunity to go on

1102
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: a hunt in the Arctic National Wildfe Refuge in August.

1103
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: That's one of our board members ended up going on

1104
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: um as well as you know, a film crew to

1105
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,120
Speaker 1: go do a film up there. And it happened to

1106
00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: be the same week as my wife's forty yet birthday,

1107
00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: And so I made the proper decision and stay at home.

1108
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:46,440
Speaker 1: But I'm definitely tell us that opportunity you had um.

1109
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: You know, the like I think i'd step back first

1110
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 1: is that part of when the Arctic National Waldfe Refuge

1111
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,920
Speaker 1: was designated, it was designated as a compromise to develop

1112
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 1: them on the north slope. And so you know, here's

1113
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: you can oil and gas can developed on the north slope,

1114
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 1: and that's more appropriate there because it's a less sensitive

1115
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 1: kind of wildlife habitat um and landscape and and and

1116
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,479
Speaker 1: so there was a compromise made that Okay, we're gonna

1117
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: kind of the American people who want oil and gas

1118
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: develop it's allot to do that on the north slope,

1119
01:00:17,440 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: and they also want protections of you know, wild that

1120
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 1: habitat and like these large landscapes that as you describe,

1121
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: we're not making any more of them. Right, like what

1122
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:27,640
Speaker 1: we have now is what we have. And so that

1123
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 1: was that compromise and it's really, um, you know, it

1124
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: was not done without controversy, but it's it's so far

1125
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 1: it's carried forward and it's you know, it's this amazing place.

1126
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 1: And so now, um, you know, there's already kind of

1127
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: some testing that's been done on oil and gas potential

1128
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:46,800
Speaker 1: um on the coastal kind of region of that refuge. Um.

1129
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: That also happens to be where you know, the largest

1130
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:51,960
Speaker 1: caribou heard up there, you know, the porcupine herd goes

1131
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:55,240
Speaker 1: right through it, um, and so it's a very sensitive

1132
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:59,520
Speaker 1: kind of area and those concerns, and so there's been

1133
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 1: some tests just to kind of you know, check on

1134
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 1: kind of the potential oil and gas deposits there. Um.

1135
01:01:05,760 --> 01:01:09,920
Speaker 1: And then just recently with the tax the tax cuts

1136
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 1: and they got passed, Um, there's a provision in there

1137
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:17,200
Speaker 1: and that that basically is is kind of starting the

1138
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: process for development up and up on the on the

1139
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: national other refuge. So it's not realized yet, but it's

1140
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: definitely paving the way for it. And and so it's

1141
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's again it's one of these things,

1142
01:01:31,000 --> 01:01:33,160
Speaker 1: and I keep talking about compromising. The reason I kind

1143
01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: of keep bringing it up is because compromise has been

1144
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: it's becomes a dirty word, has come as a dirty word.

1145
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 1: I think out in Congress, out in Washington, do see.

1146
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: But it's really kind of been, you know, it's it's

1147
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: it's it's gone away from the ethos I think of

1148
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: the American people. And so you know, you Understandford and

1149
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: everything is so black and white these days, and you know,

1150
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: you and I could go to the local tavern and

1151
01:01:57,840 --> 01:01:59,800
Speaker 1: and you know, try to figure out what kind of

1152
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: pitch we're gonna we're gonna buy. And if we're both

1153
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:04,440
Speaker 1: black and white on that, like we don't drink the

1154
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: same beer, we don't really want to hang out. You know.

1155
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,439
Speaker 1: That's it's not the way this world works. I don't think.

1156
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: I think you know people they compromise all the time. Well,

1157
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: that's with your home life and you know, your significant other,

1158
01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 1: with your friends, or you know, the way I think

1159
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 1: that Congress should work. And so this is a compromise

1160
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: that was, it was put in place, and now you know,

1161
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,720
Speaker 1: the tides are turning the other way. And um to me,

1162
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 1: you know, it's again one of these special places that

1163
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 1: once you start to defile that it's never ever going

1164
01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: to be the same. And well, I didn't go on

1165
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 1: that trip this summer. Um, it's a thing that I

1166
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: covered and just seeing like the footage from that and

1167
01:02:39,160 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: then you know, jar our board, remember that went on

1168
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,600
Speaker 1: that hunt, ended up harvesting the cariboo, and you know,

1169
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:46,480
Speaker 1: it's to see the landscape that he was in and

1170
01:02:46,480 --> 01:02:49,040
Speaker 1: the reverence that he had coming back from that. It

1171
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: was a life kind of changing trip and you know,

1172
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 1: maybe I'll never get to go up there, but man,

1173
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: it's gonna be something that I dream about for the

1174
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: rest of my life. And just knowing that it's there, um,

1175
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, I think one gives me a little to

1176
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: solace of those kind of places they're there, but it

1177
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: also gives something me to aspire to as well. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely,

1178
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: There's there's a lot of a lot more examples of

1179
01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:11,160
Speaker 1: these types of things happening right now. You know, like

1180
01:03:11,200 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 1: we kind of touched on a handful of them, but

1181
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,880
Speaker 1: there's there's more. It's it's hard to keep track of everything, um,

1182
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's hard to know what to do a

1183
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 1: little bit. And I think sometimes the disappointing thing. I

1184
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:27,280
Speaker 1: think one of the distant appointing things coming out of

1185
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: all this is that things like conservation and protecting wildlife

1186
01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:34,600
Speaker 1: habitat in these places, it's become very very politicized, right,

1187
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: It's become a very partisan thing. And then unfortunately, you

1188
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 1: get these dividing lines, you know, drawn down the middle

1189
01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:44,600
Speaker 1: of groups of people. Um. Even though in many cases

1190
01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: we believe and care about the same things. But when

1191
01:03:47,720 --> 01:03:50,120
Speaker 1: you draw this arbitrary line down the middle and say, well,

1192
01:03:50,160 --> 01:03:52,920
Speaker 1: if you are you know, if you're blue, you have

1193
01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 1: to be on this side of the of the issue

1194
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: and that side of line. If you're read, you have

1195
01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 1: to be on this side of the issue and that

1196
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 1: side of the line. And it makes things tough. Um.

1197
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: And and you know, for example, think about this. You

1198
01:04:03,080 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: know I'm a huge much too. I know you won't

1199
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: like this, but I'm a huge Michigan State Spartan fan, right,

1200
01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 1: So I know you've got those U of m roots, um,

1201
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:16,440
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm a huge Michigan State starting fan and

1202
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm part of that team. Um. So when someone on

1203
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: the Spartans, when a player or someone makes a mistake

1204
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:25,640
Speaker 1: or something, I tend to give them the benefit the

1205
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt. I will tend to say, I

1206
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:30,920
Speaker 1: know that's fine, or I tend to not want to

1207
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: talk badly about them, or I tend not to want

1208
01:04:33,240 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 1: to say, no, you made a mistake. You gotta do

1209
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,400
Speaker 1: things differently, right, because that's my team. I want to

1210
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:39,960
Speaker 1: just you know, I kind of want to you become

1211
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: almost an apologist. Um, if your team does something that,

1212
01:04:43,080 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: even if you know what's wrong in the back of

1213
01:04:44,480 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: your mind, you do, you want to kind of sweep

1214
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: it under the rugs sometimes. And I worry sometimes that

1215
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 1: that same kind of thing might be happening in the

1216
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,240
Speaker 1: case of kind of what's happening with our public lands

1217
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:58,920
Speaker 1: and wild places sometimes, because when you've got one team

1218
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:00,840
Speaker 1: out there that's that's kind kind of cutting away at

1219
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:03,680
Speaker 1: these places a lot. Um, that's something that I think

1220
01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: a lot of us can agree is not a good idea.

1221
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,320
Speaker 1: But you know, that team might be doing some other

1222
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:10,120
Speaker 1: things that we do like a lot. So some folks

1223
01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:12,920
Speaker 1: don't want to apologize for that or or ignore that

1224
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: and and just focus on the things that are, you know,

1225
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:18,440
Speaker 1: make them feel okay and comfortable with being on that team. Um.

1226
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 1: I think that's a danger, and I think that's a

1227
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:25,480
Speaker 1: missed opportunity because lots of times um that Michigan State

1228
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 1: spartan's making a mistake. He probably won't listen to the

1229
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: uf M fan, but they might listen listen to the

1230
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:34,400
Speaker 1: Michigan State fan. The Michigan State fan has that disproportionate

1231
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 1: opportunity to make a change because you can say, hey,

1232
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 1: I'm on your team, I want to support you, but

1233
01:05:39,240 --> 01:05:43,160
Speaker 1: you're making some huge mistakes. Listen to your people. Start

1234
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 1: caring about these things. Now, this is a huge, you know,

1235
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:49,520
Speaker 1: analogy kind of about what's happening here with our with

1236
01:05:49,560 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 1: our public lands and some issues with with some of

1237
01:05:52,560 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: these ideas coming from the Republican side of of the

1238
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,160
Speaker 1: of the political um sphere that you know. I think

1239
01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: there's a lot of folks in the hunting and fishing

1240
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:03,800
Speaker 1: world that that leaned to the right side of the

1241
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: of you know, the right of center, that have an

1242
01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: opportunity to say, hey, folks, we voted for you, but

1243
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 1: this is not what we've voted for this specific type

1244
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:15,520
Speaker 1: of thing. I mean, where do you stand on all

1245
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff? And how do we how do

1246
01:06:17,080 --> 01:06:20,200
Speaker 1: we deal with this challenge? How do we make change

1247
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:24,080
Speaker 1: when um politics get all mixed in and messed up

1248
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: with it all. I think that's a super awesome analogy

1249
01:06:28,920 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 1: and I may steal it going forward, so if you

1250
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: ever hear me about it, like I told you, I

1251
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: was going to do it, but that's okay, I guess

1252
01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,800
Speaker 1: I could ask permission. But I think it's an awesome analogy.

1253
01:06:40,840 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 1: And I think you're totally right. I think that, you know,

1254
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 1: this country is run by those who show up. And

1255
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: I think that that when people, uh, you know, I

1256
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: think hold people accountable. I think when they when they

1257
01:06:53,400 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 1: applaud you know, folks for doing the right thing. And

1258
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of great stuff that's happening on access

1259
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 1: right now. But you know, I think that um, it's

1260
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: very important to applaud folcus on um from both sides

1261
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,880
Speaker 1: of the aisle. I think that, uh, you know, when

1262
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: when there's things that are being done that that kind

1263
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,960
Speaker 1: of benefit of the doubt or you know, they're on

1264
01:07:13,120 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: my I'm on their team and I'm just going to

1265
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,440
Speaker 1: kind of look the other way. That's where we enable

1266
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: that behavior. And I think, really, I think that when

1267
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,080
Speaker 1: you're on the team, like you said, and sometimes you

1268
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 1: have more of an opportunity to influencing. So and I

1269
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: think the again going back to Connors and chaf Fits,

1270
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: you know, back this last spring as a perfect example

1271
01:07:32,400 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: of you know, people from all walks of life, both

1272
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: sides of the eye out both teams, pushing back in

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Speaker 1: a politician listening right like he pulled back his support

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Speaker 1: of that bill within a week. And so I think

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Speaker 1: it's vitally important for people to uh step up, um

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Speaker 1: and and raise kind of their opinions the folks when

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01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: they disagree. And if you don't do that, um, then

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01:07:53,360 --> 01:07:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, part of me is it's it's then you know,

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01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 1: like you get what you get what you get there

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01:07:58,440 --> 01:08:02,920
Speaker 1: and and and to me, this country has always been

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Speaker 1: run on those people that show up. And I think

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Speaker 1: people's voices still do count, and I think that they're

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01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 1: vitally important. Right now went on an array of issues

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01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: um to to really you don't talk about and you know,

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Speaker 1: I think there's you know, there's there's the side of

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Speaker 1: the aisle. You know that um that that continually and

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01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 1: they're mostly on the coast. I think the Democrats and

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01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,840
Speaker 1: the center part of the country have gotten it, but

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01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,559
Speaker 1: there's still those that you know that want heavy heavy

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Speaker 1: gun restrictions. That's on an issue that vh A really

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Speaker 1: deals with. But you know, I think like democrats can

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01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 1: be pushing back to Democrats and like and pushing back

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Speaker 1: on some of that stuff. I mean, I would say

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Speaker 1: that some of the same things about some of the

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Speaker 1: anti hunting on that side, restrictions you know, for mountain

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Speaker 1: lion hunting in California is a good example. There's more

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Speaker 1: Democrats that would step up and say that's not good

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01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: for the resource and that's not good for you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of carrying conservation forward. Maybe we wouldn't have gotten

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01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:02,040
Speaker 1: that band there. Um. And so I think that it's

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01:09:02,080 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: important for people to step up and no matter what

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01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: that issue is, um and provide feedback because ultimately that's

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01:09:07,960 --> 01:09:11,600
Speaker 1: what these you know, elected officials are elected for is

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01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 1: to represent the people. And if you know, you voiced

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01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: your opinion, I think that gives them more food for

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01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:21,680
Speaker 1: thought and how they will actually get things done. So um,

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01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:24,719
Speaker 1: you know, if I had had any advice the people,

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01:09:24,720 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 1: as your voice does still count. You know that background

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01:09:27,280 --> 01:09:28,840
Speaker 1: your owners and anglers. We try to make that as

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01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: easy as possible. Provide your background and then provide you

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01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:35,720
Speaker 1: hemio and phone numbers to utilize. And you know, just

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01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:37,840
Speaker 1: an example of that is on this you know stage

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01:09:38,760 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 1: stage grouse um kind of conservation plans that you know,

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01:09:42,200 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: they had a comment period that lasted I think through

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01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 1: last Friday, and you know, we were making it easy

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01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:50,920
Speaker 1: for people to engage in that effort and so um,

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01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:53,640
Speaker 1: well that's us with somebody else. I just encourage people to,

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01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: uh to really do the research. I mean, you're very

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01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: educated today and understand kind of the lay of the land.

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01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: That's because you and taking the time to do it.

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01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,439
Speaker 1: And I think people need to do that and they

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01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,560
Speaker 1: also need to engage alright, real quick before we move on,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna take our final break of the day for

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Speaker 1: a word from our partners at Matthew's Archery. And as

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01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: we mentioned last week, Matthews recently launched their new TRIACs bow.

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01:10:18,160 --> 01:10:19,840
Speaker 1: So here with this today to talk a little bit

1327
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,679
Speaker 1: more about that bow and the cross centric camp system

1328
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:25,559
Speaker 1: that is on that bow. Is Mark Hayes, a design

1329
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: engineer for Matthews Archery. The cross centric was born of

1330
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,759
Speaker 1: a concentric camp, which was the no camp. So we'll

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01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:36,080
Speaker 1: start the story in two thousand and fifteen, we built

1332
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: the no Cam HDR, which was the most tunable bow

1333
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 1: and the most accurate bow we've ever created. UM, it

1334
01:10:44,479 --> 01:10:47,599
Speaker 1: was truly uh an experience to tune it. They could

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01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: tune any era, whether it was spined correctly or not,

1336
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: or whether the user had a weird grip or not.

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01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: It would just tune UM because of those concentric cams. Now,

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01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:01,040
Speaker 1: the one thing you good knock on a no cam

1339
01:11:01,200 --> 01:11:03,599
Speaker 1: was the speed it did lack. And now it wasn't

1340
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,160
Speaker 1: slow by any means, but nowadays how everyone's pushing the

1341
01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:10,599
Speaker 1: envelope on speed. It was not up to that bar.

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01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: So incomes of a halon in two thousands sixteen, the

1343
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 1: cross centric cam UM. It allowed us to have that

1344
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: amazing tuneability, incredible accuracy with the speed. The way we

1345
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: did that was the backside of the cam is actually

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01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 1: concentric still so at full draw, what does that mean?

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01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: Sorry to interrupt, what does concentric actually mean? No problem.

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01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: So the concentric means that the string trek itself is

1349
01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:41,479
Speaker 1: a perfect circle with the center being the axle, and

1350
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:44,639
Speaker 1: that means that your string will never change the distance

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01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 1: from the axle. So you can't imagine if you had

1352
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: a big two big cams on each side at full draw,

1353
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:53,800
Speaker 1: they could be different distances from the axle if they

1354
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 1: were slightly out of tune, and that's going to throw

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01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 1: a vertical knock travel into the path of the the arraw.

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01:12:01,720 --> 01:12:04,680
Speaker 1: So with our burger buttons being the center in a

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01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: concentric uh string track at full draw, no matter what

1358
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: whether your timing is on or off slightly, you're always

1359
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: the same distance from the ACTL. I mean, it's gonna

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01:12:15,040 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: be easy to tune and incredibly accurate. If you'd like

1361
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: to learn more about the Matthews tracks or the cross

1362
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:25,960
Speaker 1: centric camp system, you can visit Matthews Inc. Dot com. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and to your point about what what b h A

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01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 1: has got going on, really a lot of growth when

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Speaker 1: it comes to those local chapters across the country. Now,

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01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 1: you know, we start a chapter in Michigan a couple

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01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: of years ago that I'm on the board of directors for,

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01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:41,680
Speaker 1: and now I think Ohio and Texas and a lot

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01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: of places. You know. I know, you guys originally had

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Speaker 1: that stronghold in the West and that's now grown across

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Speaker 1: the country. So no matter where you're at, um, you know,

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01:12:49,880 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: these are things that that can apply to you and

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01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,479
Speaker 1: that do and then I think should matter to Americans

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Speaker 1: all across the the nation. And UM, you know, b

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01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:00,720
Speaker 1: H is a great organization to help you and to

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01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: help facilitate, you know, understanding these issues and taking action

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01:13:04,160 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: on so so I would definitely encourage anyone listening. And

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01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 1: again I've I've talked about this a lot, but it's

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Speaker 1: an organization worth taking a look at and getting involved with.

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Speaker 1: Um land, I want to really quick, I know you gotta,

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Speaker 1: I gotta, you gotta bounce here quickly, but just back

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01:13:18,000 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: to the issue we began with the National Monument thing,

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01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: just because I know this is one of those things

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01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:25,639
Speaker 1: that hunters and anglers are getting questions about or they're

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01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:27,599
Speaker 1: hearing about and they're just trying to wrap their head

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Speaker 1: around it. Can you again just reiterate we we touched

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01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: on this, but can you just reiterate, like the bullet

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01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: point one to three things that from a hunter and

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01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 1: angler perspective, we need to understand as far as what

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01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:41,640
Speaker 1: the recent announcements mean and what we as hunters and

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01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: anglers might want to UM push for or advocate for

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01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 1: in the coming weeks and months and years. Is this

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01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:52,760
Speaker 1: kind of becomes litigated and um all those tests of things. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think the first one is is that

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01:13:54,840 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 1: you know, Access has me and talked about a lot

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01:13:57,479 --> 01:13:59,760
Speaker 1: and you know this is not this is not a

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Speaker 1: real land grab. This was just increased protection and so

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01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 1: you know we can we can still hunt and fish

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Speaker 1: all the monuments that were under review, um, you know

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01:14:09,040 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: after they were designated as national monuments and that you know,

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01:14:12,360 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 1: what this really is about is undoing protections. It's not

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01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:19,000
Speaker 1: about selling this land. And I think you know, we

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01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: talked about that a few times, but I think that's

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01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: just it's important to reiterate because there's a lot of

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01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,640
Speaker 1: that bed rick out there again that this is you know,

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01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:28,640
Speaker 1: the president is stilling your land. Well he's not. He's

1407
01:14:28,680 --> 01:14:31,759
Speaker 1: not stealing your land. He's just taking away protections. Ultimately,

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01:14:31,880 --> 01:14:34,519
Speaker 1: that would probably be bad for outenam fishing. But um,

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01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,559
Speaker 1: you know we've got we've got opportunities to still hunting

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01:14:37,600 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: fish there now if these protections have been lifted. It's

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01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 1: just like, you know, are we really going to want

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01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:44,800
Speaker 1: to go there if the habitat isn't there and that

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01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:47,720
Speaker 1: has something to be determined. You know, the bossuits are

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01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 1: going to happen. This will probably decided about the Supreme Court.

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01:14:50,080 --> 01:14:52,960
Speaker 1: I'm confident, at least from the research that we've done

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01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,519
Speaker 1: that this lives in illegal activity and that these places

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01:14:55,560 --> 01:14:59,720
Speaker 1: will stay the same. Um. But then you have I think, really, um,

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01:14:59,840 --> 01:15:02,680
Speaker 1: you the legislative proposals that can change the law, which

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01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 1: will ultimately decide on how these monuments are designated or

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01:15:05,760 --> 01:15:08,320
Speaker 1: potentially roll them back. UM. I think as you look

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01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 1: at national monuments, you know, going forward, I would steer

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01:15:12,040 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: people again towards this report we did. It's called National

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01:15:15,080 --> 01:15:18,240
Speaker 1: Monuments and Sports's Perspective. It really talks about the history

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01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 1: of how national monuments came into play. Uh, talks about um,

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01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 1: you know, kind of some of the awesome places that

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01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: you can hunt right now that are disneys national monuments,

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01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,240
Speaker 1: and it also talks about national monuments going forward, and

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01:15:30,520 --> 01:15:32,160
Speaker 1: you know, how we would like to see that happen.

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01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 1: And I think the big pieces there is that hunters

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01:15:35,320 --> 01:15:37,479
Speaker 1: and anglers are involved, you know, from the beginning of

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01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 1: these designations, and so that their input is heard. I

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01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:44,360
Speaker 1: think that the state agencies maintains the management of those

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01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 1: fish and wildlife resources that are there, and that the

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01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:52,799
Speaker 1: federal agencies that currently are engaged um with those monuments

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01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:56,160
Speaker 1: like before Services and Bureau of Land Management maintain that

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01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 1: kind of level of management afterwards as well. So um,

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01:15:59,760 --> 01:16:02,400
Speaker 1: that kind of like the simple and dirty. Um, stay

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01:16:02,439 --> 01:16:05,280
Speaker 1: tuned on that piece. I think we'll see what happens

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01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: with the lawsuits and then I think the more immediate

1440
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 1: threat probably it's really with the legislative threats, and so

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01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: just stay tuned on that front as well. Yeah, well, Land,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate taking the time to walk us through all this.

1443
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: Lots of things happening these days when it comes to

1444
01:16:19,280 --> 01:16:22,560
Speaker 1: public lands, wildlife and wildlife have attacked, and I appreciate

1445
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,000
Speaker 1: what you and and your organization are doing to help

1446
01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:27,760
Speaker 1: keep hunters and anglers abreast of the issues, help us

1447
01:16:27,800 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: kind of make sense of it all, and then helping us,

1448
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,719
Speaker 1: you know, take action to to protect these wild places

1449
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,600
Speaker 1: and wild animals that we as sportsmen women that we

1450
01:16:35,680 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: care so much about. So we appreciate that Land, and

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01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: I certainly will keep going do my best to help

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01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:45,000
Speaker 1: the cost to Mark. Appreciate your time today. I always

1453
01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,400
Speaker 1: enjoy getting on with you. Um Again, I think you're

1454
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 1: putting doing your research, which I totally appreciate, and I

1455
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:53,960
Speaker 1: think that you know through all these times with rhetoric,

1456
01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:56,560
Speaker 1: it's really important to kind of cut through that with information.

1457
01:16:57,200 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 1: And I also say that the last thing is the

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01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,800
Speaker 1: huge thank you got absolutely crushed meant in Michigan. I

1459
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 1: think I saw something this week that you guys have

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01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:09,200
Speaker 1: increased membership, you know, like on this last year, and

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01:17:09,320 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 1: that's just amazing to me. And that's because of the

1462
01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:13,200
Speaker 1: hard work that you guys are doing. And so I

1463
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:16,519
Speaker 1: love about this organization is that it's real people doing

1464
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:19,200
Speaker 1: real things, and you know, that's how this world works

1465
01:17:19,280 --> 01:17:20,920
Speaker 1: and that's how it's going to be carried forward. So

1466
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: very much appreciate what you personally are doing in the

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01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: chapter as well. Well. There's lots to be done and

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01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: uh for a very very important cause. So thank you,

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01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 1: Land and hopefully next time we were talking it'll be

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01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,120
Speaker 1: about sharing or talking about some successes when it comes

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01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 1: to some of these things, which which I'm sure if

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01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,480
Speaker 1: we keep on working together we can make happen. Absolutely

1473
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,600
Speaker 1: I'm in high five across the phone. And with that

1474
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:47,560
Speaker 1: we will wrap this episode up. If you'd like to

1475
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:51,360
Speaker 1: learn more about this issue of national monuments from a

1476
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:54,360
Speaker 1: hunter or angler perspective, I definitely would point you towards

1477
01:17:54,439 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 1: that document that land mentioned, and you can find that

1478
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:00,600
Speaker 1: on the back Country Hunters and Anglers website that is

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01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: back Country Hunters dot org. Uh. The TRCP, the Theodore

1480
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: Roosevelt Conservation Partnership has also been putting out some information

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 1: on this issue. You can find info at TRCP dot

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01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,640
Speaker 1: org for that as well. Both of these organizations and

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Speaker 1: many others, are doing good work to help protect our

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Speaker 1: public lands and waters and wildlife. So, as I've done

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Speaker 1: many times before, I will just kind of urge you

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Speaker 1: and encourage you to to learn more about these things,

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Speaker 1: to stay involved, to stand up for these places, for

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Speaker 1: our wildlife, for our ability to hunt and fish. Um,

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Speaker 1: we need these places, we need these protections, we need

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Speaker 1: public lands. So let's do that together. And finally, I

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Speaker 1: guess I will just offer a few more simple things. Um.

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Speaker 1: Number one, if you've left a rating or review for

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Speaker 1: the podcast, just want to give you a big big thanks.

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Speaker 1: There are I think over twelve hundred five star reviews.

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Speaker 1: Now that's incredible. We appreciate that. Also, want to give

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Speaker 1: a big thank you to our partners who helped keep

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Speaker 1: and of course, and maybe most importantly, we couldn't do

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Speaker 1: any of this without you, guys, the listeners, so thank

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Speaker 1: you so much. I hope you're still hitting those tree stands,

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Speaker 1: getting in the woods, enjoying some late season hunts, and

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Speaker 1: if you are, I wish you luck. Until next time,

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Speaker 1: Stay Wired to Hunt,