Speaker 1: The volume.
Speaker 2: What's up everybody? Welcome back to the Draymond Green Show
Speaker 2: with my brother BD.
Speaker 3: What's hidening my dog? A lot of small boys? Bro?
Speaker 3: How you doing, my brother?
Speaker 2: I'm good, brother, you know, I'm just I'm chilling taking
Speaker 2: the off season and got to, you know, get up
Speaker 2: there and get a little bump with the inside the
Speaker 2: NBA guys.
Speaker 3: It's always always fun to get up there. Man.
Speaker 2: The gods so legendary. So that was fun checking these
Speaker 2: series out. Bro, you know nothing much. Man, I'm good, bro.
Speaker 2: But since you want to get into your uh, your
Speaker 2: next tape, I quite honestly think the series is over.
Speaker 3: How about you? Man?
Speaker 1: I still got hope. Look, I'm a firm believer. Is
Speaker 1: one game at a time. You're going back to the garden.
Speaker 1: You've been in all these games. Games you let two
Speaker 1: of them slip away, so you can't rely on nothing
Speaker 1: on the past. You just to come out and dominate
Speaker 1: at home. And I haven't seen the knicks to that yet.
Speaker 1: For forty eight minutes. I do like the substitution with
Speaker 1: Mitchell Robinson and Josh Hart. I don't like the timing
Speaker 1: of it, but from a matchup standpoint, I think it
Speaker 1: saves Josh Hart some minutes which makes him a little
Speaker 1: bit stronger, and also give Mitchell Robinson some minutes that
Speaker 1: he can get off to a good start, get through
Speaker 1: some easy buckets. The way you have to look at
Speaker 1: it at this point is we going home. We gotta
Speaker 1: win game.
Speaker 3: For listen, you mentioned twice going home to the Guard.
Speaker 2: It's kind of just a feeling I've had playing there,
Speaker 2: I don't think, and you played here, so maybe you
Speaker 2: can say differently, but I personally don't think going to
Speaker 2: the Guard it serves, you know, like it does you
Speaker 2: in need justice?
Speaker 3: Because does the Garden get loud?
Speaker 2: Yes, of course, like the fans, the Knicks fans are
Speaker 2: dying for her success, so of course it gets loud.
Speaker 2: But I personally just don't think there's much of a
Speaker 2: home court at the Garden. And the reason I feel
Speaker 2: that way is not because where most teams have like
Speaker 2: issues or a lot of some teams have issues where
Speaker 2: you know, if the Warriors are in town, it sounds
Speaker 2: more like a Steph Curry home game than it does
Speaker 2: a road game. Or like you know, Lakers fans travel right,
Speaker 2: like some fan bases travel, The Knicks fans travel right,
Speaker 2: So like not even from that standpoint of the fans,
Speaker 2: but the Garden is such a show, like it's the mecca.
Speaker 2: It's the Garden. And when I step in the Garden,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, it's like this is it? Like I'm
Speaker 2: putting on the show. So you're almost not even phased
Speaker 2: by the crowd and how loud it can get because
Speaker 2: you so into the moment, into the stage, Like the
Speaker 2: Garden is like one of a couple arenas where you
Speaker 2: can't see the crowd, Like if you look out into
Speaker 2: the crowd, it's dark. The spotlight is on the court,
Speaker 2: and you feel that and you're going to put on
Speaker 2: the show and you know the celebrities are there. So
Speaker 2: I don't think they get much of a boost boy
Speaker 2: going but just going back to the garden because guess what,
Speaker 2: Tyrese Halliburton is like, yo, I got a chance to
Speaker 2: put these boys away in the garden, like with spikes
Speaker 2: in there, and so you kind of get that same
Speaker 2: boost from playing at the Garden that the whole team
Speaker 2: can get.
Speaker 1: In my opinion, yeah, I mean most of them, I
Speaker 1: agree with just looking when I went to the Garden,
Speaker 1: it was always saying, hey man, this is Broadway. You
Speaker 1: get that level of confidence, that level of shovemanship, right,
Speaker 1: But as a Nick, you're playing in the garden get
Speaker 1: you get to hit first. It's a hit first mentality,
Speaker 1: and so a lot of times when people living in
Speaker 1: that essence, if you come out aggressive, you have to
Speaker 1: establish your level of aggression. And I think that is
Speaker 1: advantageous to the Knicks because if you look at overall
Speaker 1: physicality in the series, they've been kind of bullied, so
Speaker 1: to speak. And the retaliation when the Knicks make a
Speaker 1: comeback is the Knicks start bullying, start playing bully ball.
Speaker 1: But I think what's holding the Knicks back is the silliness, right,
Speaker 1: the unnecessary files, the getting in the bonus early, right,
Speaker 1: allowing Indiana to getting the bonus early, but the silly files,
Speaker 1: off ball files, boxing out fouls and then the turnover.
Speaker 1: So hopefully, hopefully both teams get to fill that Broadway essence.
Speaker 1: In that Broadway presence, I think the Knicks coming out
Speaker 1: with a hit first mentality and a door die mentality
Speaker 1: on their home floor should be advantageous to them.
Speaker 3: With the crowd.
Speaker 2: Behind, I think all that's great, but it gets to
Speaker 2: a point to where you have.
Speaker 3: To see some moment things.
Speaker 2: If you keep but you keep doing what you're doing,
Speaker 2: you're gonna keep getting what you getting. So when I
Speaker 2: when I take a step back and I look at
Speaker 2: the next team, like they made substitution adjustments. Outside of that,
Speaker 2: they haven't made many adjustments this series offensively or defensively,
Speaker 2: Like I don't see many adjustments that they've made. Like
Speaker 2: maybe it's like, yo, we're going into the post more.
Speaker 2: Because if you look at the Knicks from a post
Speaker 2: back down standpoint, Carl Ethny Towns should have the advantage
Speaker 2: posting a Pascal Siak, right, all right, so you go
Speaker 2: advantage just from I'm not saying overall players, just from
Speaker 2: a post up stand just from in the block. Yes,
Speaker 2: Carl Anthony Towns should have that advantage.
Speaker 1: Carl Anthony Towns can't catch the ball in the block.
Speaker 3: That's the problem. Man.
Speaker 1: He getting pushed all the way out the post. And
Speaker 1: so you really don't have a block advantage because when
Speaker 1: Carl Anthony tails make a good move, it's one two,
Speaker 1: three dribbles, spin to a layup.
Speaker 3: He not catching it in the post.
Speaker 1: Drop step, jump hook, drop step, get inside for the layup.
Speaker 1: It has to be on him creating space for himself
Speaker 1: because he get pushed damn there all the way twenty
Speaker 1: feet from the basket when he posts up.
Speaker 2: Okay, so again it goes I'm going to go back
Speaker 2: to coaching. So as the coach, yep, then I have
Speaker 2: to run some things to get him closer to the
Speaker 2: moss touches, meaning right like maybe it's an old school
Speaker 2: guard big cross screen and he you know, he getting
Speaker 2: the better catch there, right Like, as the coach, that's
Speaker 2: all me to figure out how to get him closer
Speaker 2: to the basket, because I think on a one two
Speaker 2: dribble spacing like necessary spot catch from Carl Anthony Towns,
Speaker 2: he should have the advantage on Pascal he got streamside,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: Og and Enobi should have the advantage on Nimhar correct
Speaker 3: all right.
Speaker 2: So there's those two. Mike Carl Bridges should have the
Speaker 2: advantage from a post up standpoint on Hallie, correct, all right.
Speaker 2: Mitchell Robinson and Miles Turner. Mitchell Robinson, we're not posting
Speaker 2: him up, so we'll we'll throw that one out the window.
Speaker 2: And then Jamin Bruston he's very good in the post actually,
Speaker 2: like that's kind of his game. Will he be able
Speaker 2: to pull out on Nie Smith. Ne Smith got sides advantage,
Speaker 2: I don't know. But anyway, if you just slowed the
Speaker 2: ball down and post it up. And again, this is
Speaker 2: the playoffs. This is not regular season basketball. This is
Speaker 2: not oh man, the game has changed. This is how
Speaker 2: can I win this series. What looking at some of
Speaker 2: those matchups and the posts do is it can cut
Speaker 2: down on some of the turnovers because you can see
Speaker 2: the pictures develop easy, right, Like.
Speaker 3: You got the ball.
Speaker 2: If you double team comes, you see it, you get
Speaker 2: it out of there, like you can see the pictures
Speaker 2: develop easier. It also slows down the Indiana Pacers from
Speaker 2: two standpoints. A. It can slow their breakdown because you
Speaker 2: get them in foul trouble. You saw what Jay le
Speaker 2: Brunson kept getting to the line last night. It slowed
Speaker 2: the Pacers. Now now you gotta run a half court
Speaker 2: offense the old time, that's not quite where they excel, right,
Speaker 2: So it slows them down from that standpoint. But it
Speaker 2: also slows them down because now you got those guys
Speaker 2: guarding the post. That's taking them legs away a little
Speaker 2: bit more. It's not as easy to run, you know,
Speaker 2: and just push the tempo. But what the Knick just
Speaker 2: trying to push the tempo and them trying to push
Speaker 2: the tempo.
Speaker 3: It don't make sense.
Speaker 2: So then you end up like the Knicks are playing
Speaker 2: into their hands because they're better at pushing the tempo
Speaker 2: than the Knicks. And so I just think there needs
Speaker 2: to be some adjustments offensively. There needs to be some
Speaker 2: adjustments defensively that I quite frankly don't think they've done.
Speaker 2: Like if you start switching five right, like we've seen
Speaker 2: teams try to switch five for Holly and the Pacers,
Speaker 2: and Holly has given some of these teams fits throughout
Speaker 2: the course of these playoffs.
Speaker 3: However, it's Holle beating you one on one.
Speaker 2: The where you say, I don't care if this guy
Speaker 2: goes and that's on that one on one match up
Speaker 2: all night. But I'm not helping, right, So, like say
Speaker 2: he get to switch with Mitchell Robinson and he wants
Speaker 2: to go with Mitchell Robinson if he get a half
Speaker 2: a step on Mitchell Robinson going towards the rim, Hey, everybody,
Speaker 2: you stay home. We want to see him beat us,
Speaker 2: getting layups over Mitchell Robinson number one. Mitchell Robinson going
Speaker 2: to make up some of that at the rim and
Speaker 2: then Holly gonna beat us with step back threes over
Speaker 2: Mitchell Robinson.
Speaker 3: You kind of gotta pick something that you're gonna live with.
Speaker 2: But him driving and kicking and hip them playing pick
Speaker 2: and roll coverage and him coming off picking the pick
Speaker 2: and roll coach part, that's not gonna work. We know
Speaker 2: that's not gonna work. So I just think at some point, man,
Speaker 2: some adjustments gotta be made. You can't just keep doing
Speaker 2: the same thing.
Speaker 1: I agree, I would saying on the defensive, and when
Speaker 1: I watched last Nce game, every time the Knicks got
Speaker 1: into a pick and roll situation and never knew what
Speaker 1: they were doing, and that is not a good look.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about one to three to one, two, one four,
Speaker 1: it was just ultimate confusion, right, So you gotta do
Speaker 1: something because you're not getting overscreens, underscreens. You just getting confused.
Speaker 1: And really what I hate saying, and like everybody's pointing,
Speaker 1: and then when you look on Indiana side, it's minoi
Speaker 1: mono pressure. Get over the screen, make them work, make
Speaker 1: them take tough shots. I think Indiana has taken what
Speaker 1: the Knicks need. And if the Knicks slow themselves down
Speaker 1: and play their style, of basketball.
Speaker 3: If you can slow Indiana down, make them play.
Speaker 1: Half court, then, like you said, take advantage of the
Speaker 1: post situation. You're not gonna help shoot these guys. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna do Yeah, you're not gonna outrun them, right,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna out playmake though as a team. And
Speaker 1: then Halliburton, you know, you gotta pay attention to this man.
Speaker 3: He is their engine.
Speaker 1: So the start of the game, him getting those first
Speaker 1: four or five six assists, they're not even looking to score, like.
Speaker 3: You play into his hand.
Speaker 1: Oh, let me get Miles Turner a few, let me
Speaker 1: get them hard a couple, let me get past He
Speaker 1: just coming to the game to make sure everybody, you know.
Speaker 3: Got their coffee.
Speaker 1: They eating, you know, they in the flow, and then
Speaker 1: everything starts to just open up.
Speaker 3: So you gotta make him pick one way he's gonna play.
Speaker 1: He ain't gonna beat you on the points, or you're
Speaker 1: just gonna make him pass and make somebody else become
Speaker 1: the playmaker.
Speaker 2: Exactly. But thirty two, twelve and fifteen, come on, number,
Speaker 2: that's that's crazy. Four steals, zero turnovers.
Speaker 3: That is beating number. Beat.
Speaker 2: You had a game like that in your career, Yeah,
Speaker 2: zero turnovers, two steals. I mean Holly had the edge,
Speaker 2: two steals, Holly half four ten assists. You had Holly
Speaker 2: half fifteen, fourteen rebounds you had, Holly had twelve. You
Speaker 2: got Holly there. You had thirty three, Holly had thirty two.
Speaker 2: You got in there.
Speaker 3: You remember that performance.
Speaker 1: I hit the game winner that day, and they and they,
Speaker 1: and that is the sole reason why we have replay.
Speaker 3: They called it all. They waved him off.
Speaker 2: That's great, man, You ain't so it wasn't no replay
Speaker 2: to confirm that.
Speaker 1: Man, he called it off before I even released the ball.
Speaker 1: It was point seven point eight seconds. He went to
Speaker 1: the replay, doubled down. It was like, no way, he
Speaker 1: got it off.
Speaker 3: Who's the officier? What was his name, Bernie Fryer? Maybe
Speaker 3: I can't remember his name. Maybe he waved it off.
Speaker 3: We wound up going to overtime, I guess Orlando. But
Speaker 3: then in that same I think playoffs, Derek Fisher hit
Speaker 3: Remember the shot against San Antonio four?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then that's when they came with the replay. Oh,
Speaker 1: we gonna out to start going to the replay to
Speaker 1: see if these shots work or not, because how could
Speaker 1: Derek Fisher shot camp and min that's crazy. So little
Speaker 1: takes to history, NBA history man history in the game.
Speaker 1: But shout out to Hallaburton. You know, a performance like that,
Speaker 1: you in your back, you have control. I remember playing
Speaker 1: against Orlando feeling that that same thing anytime Patrick Ewing
Speaker 1: was in the pick and roll because Pat was older. Man,
Speaker 1: it's two dribbles, make him slide twice. He gotta go
Speaker 1: back and I'm following him right to the basket to
Speaker 1: create right. If it's anybody else they switched, it's over.
Speaker 1: When you and flow like that, and you see everything
Speaker 1: the game for Halleburnon, he'd be wide open.
Speaker 2: He be shooting wide open threes. It's like they give
Speaker 2: him so much space. And his shot takes a little
Speaker 2: time to load it up anyway, and they give him
Speaker 2: so much space and he just get it load.
Speaker 1: Nobody's putting pressure on him. I mean, he's a great
Speaker 1: guard and you got it, like once again, pick your poison.
Speaker 1: But nobody his challenge him, nobody's challenge his handle, challenge
Speaker 1: his ability to create his shot off the off the bounce.
Speaker 3: They just let him set. He just set him up.
Speaker 3: He's genius. He's genius. He has sensure.
Speaker 2: But Bebe, I was talking to Traveler's dad about his striver,
Speaker 2: was like, man, they is his handle like that? And
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the reason they're on pressure. I'm like
Speaker 2: that though, is Holly handle is very underrated. Yeah, sneaky,
Speaker 2: and all them boys know at different points where they
Speaker 2: tried to press him. Hell, he hit Mike cal Bridges
Speaker 2: with one at the end of the game to play
Speaker 2: where he got past got to Mitchell Robinson, the red back.
Speaker 2: If you watch that play, he back, he turned him around.
Speaker 2: So I think all of those guys also know that
Speaker 2: if they try to pressure over here, bop their ass
Speaker 2: so fast and they know that. But it don't look
Speaker 2: if you're watching the TV, it don't look like his
Speaker 2: handle like that. But I'm telling you, man, when you
Speaker 2: get in front, it's like Steph Curry and Kyrie Irvin
Speaker 2: their ball handling starts when it appeared to you that
Speaker 2: they've lost the basketball because you think they've lost it,
Speaker 2: and they got it so crazy on the yo yo.
Speaker 2: Where as soon as you go to reach, you so
Speaker 2: out of position and they didn't, and you so out
Speaker 2: of position that there's no way you can catch up.
Speaker 3: Holly got some of that where.
Speaker 2: It's deceiving, like you the ball look like it's staring
Speaker 2: before you know it, you go to reach and Bay
Speaker 2: Bay and Holly six seven. So whereas Kyrie is steph
Speaker 2: making up in like urky jerk and like just Holly.
Speaker 3: Also like he back back, he's six seven.
Speaker 2: His stride he gone, you know, And so it's very
Speaker 2: interesting to watch because looking at it on TV, it
Speaker 2: don't look it don't appear that his handle is like that.
Speaker 2: When you playing his handled its way tighter and nicer
Speaker 2: then it may appear. And I think those guys know that.
Speaker 2: That's why they're not pressuring them like that. But you
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 3: You can't just he too good to just let him
Speaker 3: see the court and pick your part. Yeah, he shifted.
Speaker 3: He's shifted.
Speaker 1: His is like body movelet like he's trying to keep
Speaker 1: you off ballots, keep you guessing.
Speaker 3: And it's not necessarily like attack at you.
Speaker 1: It's to keep you moving side to side and guessing
Speaker 1: if you if you do want to press, he got
Speaker 1: If you don't press, he's stepping back. So just great
Speaker 1: sign of a point guard of knowing you know your
Speaker 1: space out there on the floor and your space your
Speaker 1: defender space and being able to control the game by
Speaker 1: keeping your defender off you. And if they come up
Speaker 1: on him, he's been getting to the hole too, So
Speaker 1: you gotta figure out some Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean also he had Pops back in the building
Speaker 2: shout out to that, shout out the commissioner, Adam Silver,
Speaker 2: getting that done. I think that's fire. I think the
Speaker 2: only thing now is like they're gonna be going on
Speaker 2: the road, like left Pop's go on the road. You
Speaker 2: still got to sit in sweet Pops. I'm not in
Speaker 2: the business of want of guys to get punished and
Speaker 2: like one of guys to get suspended and losing money.
Speaker 2: I think that shit why and so I never like
Speaker 2: to see that. But in this situation and what happened
Speaker 2: with Holly Pops and the punishment and all that, and
Speaker 2: everybody like, oh man, he shouldn't get special treatment in life,
Speaker 2: Yes he should because his son is it's Tyrese Halliburton,
Speaker 2: and just say what you want in lifel like, different
Speaker 2: people get different treatment. That's just what it is. Like
Speaker 2: we can all sugarcoat it and be like, oh, like
Speaker 2: everything you should be the same, and that ain't how
Speaker 2: this world work. It's just not so he should get
Speaker 2: special treatment. He should be at them games. Granted he
Speaker 2: shouldn't be course out, he should be in the suite.
Speaker 2: Think he should still be able to be in the
Speaker 2: sweet at Massive Square Garden, right Like, how you gotta
Speaker 2: pay for it? So that's your punishment, right, Pops come
Speaker 2: to the game, you n U, you gotta buy sweet something.
Speaker 2: I don't think holly tripping over that punishment. I'm sure
Speaker 2: he won't Pops at all these games, right like, and
Speaker 2: so I just think, like, find a way, man for
Speaker 2: that man to be in the building.
Speaker 3: This don't happen often.
Speaker 2: Like his son is on the verge of taking the
Speaker 2: NDA and the Pacers to the NBA Finals to possibly
Speaker 2: win a championship. Let them experience that. Did he have
Speaker 2: a fucked up moment with Yanni's Absolutely? Yanna said he
Speaker 2: moved on. If Gianni's moved on, y'all move on. Everybody
Speaker 2: move on, right, and so let that man be in
Speaker 2: the building at all them games, because as someone who's
Speaker 2: been in the position, it's nothing like it like and
Speaker 2: you don't get these like, these moments just don't come
Speaker 2: back around. I was fortunate enough to be in the
Speaker 2: moment over and over again. But it just don't happen
Speaker 2: like that all the time, man, And so let Pops
Speaker 2: be at all the games. How I spent some of
Speaker 2: that that super Max money he got and bottom sweets
Speaker 2: at the roll game too, But let possibly at all
Speaker 2: them games.
Speaker 3: It's dope.
Speaker 2: And shout out to Hollie for responding the way he
Speaker 2: did with Pops in the building, making it a memorable performance.
Speaker 2: Having his Pops back in the building. I thought that
Speaker 2: was super dope. So shout out to them, man, and
Speaker 2: I got them closing out the Nicks in five. Nick
Speaker 2: is seven, but Shannon Sharp say a tick a big.
Speaker 1: Nick patience, hilarious, nix and seven we still got help.
Speaker 3: Oh no, it's over, chat, it's a rap. We'll see
Speaker 3: it's rap. It's real. I mean it is rap city
Speaker 3: in the basement.
Speaker 1: We'll see Knicks win and game five just because of
Speaker 1: Jay Barden.
Speaker 3: I'm just you, man. The Pacers ready to move on.
Speaker 3: They balling up. They definitely putting it together.
Speaker 2: Man.
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Speaker 1: At Draymond's show, we are recording this episode before Game
Speaker 1: five of the Western Conference Finals.
Speaker 3: Will the Thunder win tonight? Yeah? I think it's over man.
Speaker 2: I just think, you know, with the Thunder, like I've
Speaker 2: seen some stuff coming from the Timber was that it's
Speaker 2: hard to rally around, you know, like at Man press
Speaker 2: conference last game saying he didn't get enough shots, Like
Speaker 2: I want to see ed Man just own that moment.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, Like now I wasn't good enough,
Speaker 2: you know, because saying I ain't get enough shots like
Speaker 2: you got the ball.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So if at Man shoot twenty five times, this coach
Speaker 2: ain't gonna sit her, so you kind of gotta go
Speaker 2: make that happen.
Speaker 3: I told y'all earlier in the series.
Speaker 2: I also didn't like Bench and Julius rand in the
Speaker 2: fourth quarter in the game that he's having the first
Speaker 2: bad game he's having in the playoffs, and he get
Speaker 2: like bitched in the fourth quarter, like they haven't been
Speaker 2: through enough together to do stuff like that. You know
Speaker 2: where Steve Kerr in game Game three or four, Well,
Speaker 2: I got Bench Kina in the fourth quarter and then
Speaker 2: we started doing the offensive defense up.
Speaker 3: It was game three.
Speaker 2: Actually for me, it was different because it had never
Speaker 2: happened before. But we had such a foundation to stand on.
Speaker 2: We had multiple championships that we had one already to
Speaker 2: stand on to where Steve know, like, I can make
Speaker 2: this decision, and I'm not going to lose my guy
Speaker 2: by making this decision because I've won three championships with
Speaker 2: this dude. We've been through numerous series that has called
Speaker 2: for adjustments to be made. He knows how this works,
Speaker 2: right and like fine, like I bounced right back, come
Speaker 2: back Game four, credible, Game five, credible, Game six, right, like,
Speaker 2: but again, there was a foundation built for us to
Speaker 2: stand on trust. Chris Finshman, Julius Randall coached for like
Speaker 2: fifty something games because you missed the large chunk of
Speaker 2: the season with injury, so he's coached him like fifty
Speaker 2: something game. I'm not sure they have the foundation to
Speaker 2: stand on. And like Benjamin the four court for his
Speaker 2: first bad game. So when I saw that, right, Like
Speaker 2: when I say, I've seen things come from them that
Speaker 2: I really don't like. Like, let's face it, Okay, s
Speaker 2: he's the better team, no question, But just because you're
Speaker 2: the better team don't mean that you win. But when
Speaker 2: you are facing a team that's better, all of those
Speaker 2: things have to be right, and if those things aren't right,
Speaker 2: then you have no chance. And so I think those
Speaker 2: things catch up to you, right Like Bench and Julius
Speaker 2: round then he come out he having a bad game
Speaker 2: last game. It's mentally he like, man, I'm gonna come
Speaker 2: out like I know I'm about to get subbed out right,
Speaker 2: Like I can't make a mistake, you know. And so
Speaker 2: there's just different things man, that coming out of that series.
Speaker 2: Like looking watching that series that I see coming out
Speaker 2: that I noticed because I've been through it, and those
Speaker 2: are things that you play on in the playoffs.
Speaker 3: So you're facing to get facing those guys.
Speaker 2: I don't really, I just don't think they've put themselves
Speaker 2: in position throughout this series to take it now. As
Speaker 2: you know it always, it only takes one game to
Speaker 2: change the series. But I just don't see tonight being
Speaker 2: that night, like I think. Okay, see they coming out,
Speaker 2: they want to finish their breakfast, all right.
Speaker 1: So since you got the Pacers winning the ast Okay,
Speaker 1: see closing this up, why should fans be excited for
Speaker 1: a Thunder versus Pacers finals.
Speaker 2: I'm not one to get getting ahead of myself because
Speaker 2: I think I know better. I've come back from down
Speaker 2: three to one and won a series. I've lost the
Speaker 2: series being up three to one. So I'm not one
Speaker 2: that's saying this is happening because these two teams still
Speaker 2: gotta win it and saying that, I'm not even going
Speaker 2: to break down that series or even say why people
Speaker 2: should be excited, because I think you gotta finish your
Speaker 2: breakfast first. This is the playoffs, anything can anything can happen.
Speaker 2: So whereas I think the Knicks is done, whereas I
Speaker 2: think Tim is done, you got you got that last
Speaker 2: game it's the toughest one.
Speaker 3: You got.
Speaker 2: Both of those teams coming out free swinging because they know,
Speaker 2: like yo, I ain't got nothing to lose. This is it.
Speaker 2: This is our last wonder if we lose. So I'm
Speaker 2: gonna give everything I got. I'm throwing every hay maker
Speaker 2: I got. And by the way, both of those teams
Speaker 2: have multiple guys that can beat you and take over
Speaker 2: a game.
Speaker 3: Julius Randall can.
Speaker 2: Obviously a man can cat can Jalen Brother. Both of
Speaker 2: those teams have guys that can beat you. So I'm
Speaker 2: not going to get into which one of those how
Speaker 2: that series or being excited about it until it's time,
Speaker 2: because you got to close them boys out and it
Speaker 2: ain't always at.
Speaker 1: He's speaking of which you being down three to one
Speaker 1: on this date in twenty sixteen, the great Klay Thompson
Speaker 1: put a remarkable performance together, scoring forty one points hitting
Speaker 1: eleven three pointers in Game six against the Thunder and
Speaker 1: the Western Conference Finals. Y'all were down three to two
Speaker 1: playing in Okay, See what.
Speaker 3: Was that like? That was one of my favorite games
Speaker 3: to watch. You know what's crazy?
Speaker 2: That series, So if you go back and watch that
Speaker 2: series to start that series, we all smart at ourselves.
Speaker 2: What we did was we did not guard and Andre
Speaker 2: Ropers at all, literally didn't guard the guy to help
Speaker 2: on Kat and Russ who was guarding Andre Roe and
Speaker 2: literally left him wider. And it's a gimmick, right. We
Speaker 2: actually did it the year before the Tony Allen in
Speaker 2: a different way though, where we put me on Mark
Speaker 2: Gasol and I guarded him straight up. We put Harrison
Speaker 2: Barnes on twenty fifteen, we put Harrison Barns on ze
Speaker 2: Bo and just all out front no matter where he goes.
Speaker 2: And then we put Bogan literally behind ze Bow to
Speaker 2: help Harrison and kind of play Tony Allen off the floor.
Speaker 2: Once we played Tony Allen off the floor from the offensive,
Speaker 2: and their defense couldn't survive because Tony was just Tony
Speaker 2: was just fuck your whole offense up. Like Tony one
Speaker 2: of the best defenders that I've played against in my time,
Speaker 2: Tony allisonsane, oh my god, and so off. We used
Speaker 2: the offensive end Tony's lack of a bit shoot it
Speaker 2: to force them to have to take them off the
Speaker 2: floor because they couldn't score enough, and then then they
Speaker 2: couldn't pete enough defensively. Against our offense, and so that's
Speaker 2: how we end up coming back from down two one
Speaker 2: in that series of winning.
Speaker 3: Fast forward to this year, twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: One year later, we're playing against Okay, see, we don't
Speaker 2: guard Ropes and it works, and then they figure it
Speaker 2: out because it's a gimmick and it doesn't work anymore,
Speaker 2: and they figure it out. And so now we rolled
Speaker 2: in the game five and we like, yo, it's three
Speaker 2: to one. Were going home for game five? What like
Speaker 2: what we're gonna do? And we all were, Steve down,
Speaker 2: Steph myself, We're all like, yo, let's just guard them
Speaker 2: straight up. Make Russ and KD beat us and take
Speaker 2: everybody else away. Because when we've played this team and
Speaker 2: we've made Russ and KD beat us and take everybody
Speaker 2: else to wait, it's hard. So we're gonna make like
Speaker 2: we guarded. We're gonna guard him straight up. We're gonna
Speaker 2: put Clay back on Russ, We're gonna put Andre on
Speaker 2: KD and we just gonna guard him straight up, and
Speaker 2: they gotta beat us. And we won Game five, come back,
Speaker 2: Game six back against the Wall, and Clay brought the
Speaker 2: whole day. Clay like dray I got us like, there's
Speaker 2: no chance we losing this game. Clay get this little twitch,
Speaker 2: start twisting the show the like I got his trade.
Speaker 2: No way, like you could see in his demeanor, walk
Speaker 2: the whole thing, shoot around.
Speaker 3: No way we losing this game, Brian got us.
Speaker 2: Were down fifteen, and out of nowhere it comes Clay
Speaker 2: Thompson three three caught the ball at his foot. One
Speaker 2: of them shot at three and he's like, I'm telling.
Speaker 3: You we not. And so then from that point on
Speaker 3: we realized, oh we coming back. We taking this game.
Speaker 2: But now at that point, you know you got the
Speaker 2: series because they not coming back to Sam the Oracle.
Speaker 2: They not coming back to Oracle and beating us in
Speaker 2: Game seven. Right, So we came back in that series,
Speaker 2: and I remember, like it was yesterday.
Speaker 3: It was crazy. That's a crazy year. Man.
Speaker 2: You think about all the things that happened in basketball
Speaker 2: history in twenty sixteen, that series was crazy. Obviously we
Speaker 2: lost the finals three to one lead. That was crazy
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. That's also the year that like Stepp hit
Speaker 2: that crazy shot and okay, see we had on those
Speaker 2: gray sleeve jerseys and that's like that shot was kind
Speaker 2: of like Steph's like, yeah, it's really me and really him.
Speaker 2: It's really it, and then history happens. It's crazy, but
Speaker 2: like that's all that year. But that series with Clay
Speaker 2: just coming back from three to one, it was insane.
Speaker 2: So you know everything that I said before this about
Speaker 2: it three one and living through that and being a
Speaker 2: part of that, there's no way I could kind of
Speaker 2: either one of these teams up.
Speaker 1: Okay, agree and disagree. We've seen a few conversations around
Speaker 1: the league online that we want to adjust, So during
Speaker 1: this segment, we will simply agree or disagree with certain
Speaker 1: trending basketball topics. All right, you ready agree, sir, Let's
Speaker 1: do it. The first one. Yanni's just got a sixth
Speaker 1: straight All NBA selection. Fans are debating whether Yannis is
Speaker 1: the best power forward of this era? Agree or disagree?
Speaker 1: Do I get to explain why I agree or disagree?
Speaker 1: Agree or disagree?
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, Okay, I'm going to disagree, And the
Speaker 2: reason I disagree is this, Yannis has played in an
Speaker 2: era where it kind of became position as basketball, and
Speaker 2: I don't necessarily quite think that Yannis is a power
Speaker 2: for and has been throughout this whole become of Jannis,
Speaker 2: and so in saying that, that's why I disagree with that,
Speaker 2: because Jannis is one of the greatest players of this
Speaker 2: era and the game was kind of positionless. What made
Speaker 2: people start calling Yannis a power forward is because you
Speaker 2: had to start putting power, force and centers on Jannis.
Speaker 2: The team that you build around Janni is because his
Speaker 2: skill set was so great and driving are still great
Speaker 2: driving and getting downhill is you put a lot of
Speaker 2: shooting around him. So then when people look at the game,
Speaker 2: they're like, oh, well, Drew Holliday must be this position,
Speaker 2: and Chris Middleton must be this position, and that guy
Speaker 2: must be this position.
Speaker 3: Brook Lopez is a five, all right, great, So Jannis
Speaker 3: is a power.
Speaker 2: For right, And that's why I think people start saying
Speaker 2: that Yannis is a power forward because Jannis is what
Speaker 2: his attributes. He's sixty eleven, two hundred and fifty sixty
Speaker 2: some pounds strong, as an ox.
Speaker 3: Fast as a gazelle.
Speaker 2: Because of those attributes to his downhill prowess, the way
Speaker 2: teams had to start matching up on Yannis was putting
Speaker 2: power for as the centers on him, because when he
Speaker 2: was when you were putting guards on him because he
Speaker 2: handled the ball so much, they were way too small,
Speaker 2: and so in turn, I think people start matching up
Speaker 2: with Johanna's putting bigger guys on him because there was
Speaker 2: just no way you can guard him at the rim.
Speaker 2: So and so then people are like, oh, he's a
Speaker 2: power forward. But if you look at the great power forwards,
Speaker 2: Yannis don't play like Till Duncan. Yannis don't play like
Speaker 2: Carovin Garnett, right, And so I think people are being
Speaker 2: lazy or and or just don't understand what they're looking
Speaker 2: at when they're like Yanni's like pigeonholed him into the
Speaker 2: power forward position. I don't think that's accurate. And I
Speaker 2: just don't think that's very accurate. But we had to
Speaker 2: guard him because of his skill set and how great
Speaker 2: he is at it with power force and centers, that
Speaker 2: gives you the best chance at trying to contain him
Speaker 2: getting downhill and at the rim. That's what people did,
Speaker 2: And so I disagree because I think he's just one
Speaker 2: of the greatest players, and I think it's lazy or
Speaker 2: lack of knowledge. If people is just like, yeah, he's
Speaker 2: a power for I think you're doing him a disservice
Speaker 2: and his greatness.
Speaker 1: All right, Jannis is the best power forward of this era.
Speaker 1: I would say, I agree, starting at power forward, yeah, it's.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't think they say starting that power forward.
Speaker 2: They say for forward in the in the hierarchy of
Speaker 2: basketball structure. If you're picking a team, usually you'll pick
Speaker 2: Giannis to be a four. But but here's the thing, though,
Speaker 2: because of the way he plays under no circumstances, anyone
Speaker 2: ever gonna say Giannis is a better power forward than
Speaker 2: Tim Duncan you.
Speaker 1: Just we're saying in this era of his era, like
Speaker 1: the ten years that he's been rocking, like the last
Speaker 1: teen years again, But if he's.
Speaker 2: A power forward in his erar, then that also puts
Speaker 2: him into power for power for of all time error.
Speaker 2: And I just don't think people like you ever give
Speaker 2: him a fair shot at passing Kevin Garnet, at passing
Speaker 2: Tim Dunk.
Speaker 1: Because you're not gonna see him with that same I
Speaker 1: he passed Kevin Garnett, he.
Speaker 2: Passed Kevin Garnett as an overall player, but nobody's ever
Speaker 2: going to just be like as a power.
Speaker 3: For I just don't want to give him that, dude.
Speaker 2: I just don't believe that, Like you you've never mentioned
Speaker 2: Giannis Anto the coupo and came alone in the same sentence.
Speaker 3: You've never done it.
Speaker 2: That's my point, Like, he's never going to be mentioned
Speaker 2: with the great power forward when you're having that conversation
Speaker 2: because it don't even fit. He's so much like what
Speaker 2: he does is so much different than those guys that
Speaker 2: you've never heard Janni's be mentioned with Charles Barkley. You've
Speaker 2: never once heard anybody say it, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So you're not going to get anybody that's going to
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, he's better than Barkley, he's better than
Speaker 2: these guys, because it don't even register that, like look
Speaker 2: at how this dude play that he's the same as them.
Speaker 3: That that's not a thing. I just disagree with it.
Speaker 1: But I would just say he's a one of one
Speaker 1: in his position, right because if you look at somebody
Speaker 1: like Dirk Nowisky, he's a power forward.
Speaker 3: He's not the traditional power forward, but he is. He's not.
Speaker 2: But we mentioned him when we talk of power force
Speaker 2: because he played from the block against those power for
Speaker 2: He wasn't dribbling the ball up the court, going coast
Speaker 2: to coast. He wasn't like, he wasn't doing that stuff.
Speaker 2: The only thing Dirk did different than most power force
Speaker 2: and shoot the ball, you know, get to the spot. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but like Janni's just hybrid.
Speaker 1: He's a hybrid forward, I would say, but power forward
Speaker 1: forward yet ain't gonna have to guard somebody, and somebody
Speaker 1: gonna have to guard him.
Speaker 3: And if you're saying.
Speaker 1: Power forwards and centers guard him, and I gotta say
Speaker 1: he's a power forward.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But then so so what about the night where
Speaker 2: the coach gets smarter and they put a smaller guy
Speaker 2: on him, like Alice Caruso.
Speaker 3: Then then so now he's being guarded by Caruso, Then
Speaker 3: what that happens? Then what that happens? Now?
Speaker 2: The power forward ain't garden no more so so because
Speaker 2: it's all about your makeup of the opposing team's team.
Speaker 2: So then now we have a team that feels it's
Speaker 2: better suited. But if Caruso on Joker, does that make
Speaker 2: him now a power forward still? Because Alice Carusse ain't
Speaker 2: no power for matchup this map. But that's what I'm
Speaker 2: saying though, But he's kind of out the markets can
Speaker 2: be because I make a power forward. But you should
Speaker 2: have said he get guarded by power four, so that
Speaker 2: makes him a power for I think people has done that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, people have to put power forwards and centers on him,
Speaker 1: which that.
Speaker 2: Don't make him a big man because that's the only Yeah,
Speaker 2: I disagree he's a big man.
Speaker 3: Lebron James came into the league as a point guard.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, kind of these are facts.
Speaker 2: Lebron James came into the league as a point guard
Speaker 2: because of then you said came into They.
Speaker 1: Plays that point guard when he first when Jason Kids.
Speaker 3: Absolutely I agree they did.
Speaker 2: Just like Ben Simmons came into the league, let's make
Speaker 2: him put you put what fits. Let's make fits in right,
Speaker 2: Like James Hardy came into the league as a two guard.
Speaker 2: People still mission James Hardwood, Dwayne Wade. Nobody be missioning
Speaker 2: him with Steph Curry and Chris Paul have to way,
Speaker 2: he's a point guard.
Speaker 1: People mission James with this all right? He's a crazy
Speaker 1: point guard, is he not? Or he's a hybrid guard.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying here, guard Like I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: I just again we're arguing that team.
Speaker 1: How many roses we were giving Yannis at this point.
Speaker 1: So we agree and disagree, but we both agree that
Speaker 1: he's a one of one.
Speaker 3: One thousand percent.
Speaker 2: That's why I would think phoning him into the powerful conversation.
Speaker 3: I think it's a disservice to him. Just my thing.
Speaker 1: We'll do our fantasy all time fantasy draft and see
Speaker 1: if you draft you honest, where would you draft him?
Speaker 3: And him as a three second the second one?
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Speaker 1: says the days of lockdown defenders are gone ooh, and
Speaker 1: that you can't do anything against players in the league today.
Speaker 1: So you know our league, the days of stoppers, those
Speaker 1: are pretty much gone. The Tony Allen, the tas Tony
Speaker 1: Allen types. You know, even myself, I call myself a defender.
Speaker 1: There are guys that I can't do anything with. I
Speaker 1: just have to help. I'm there enough for this to
Speaker 1: be a tough shot for him. He might make the shot,
Speaker 1: but I did all I could to make it a
Speaker 1: tough possession for him.
Speaker 2: He just got it. Tip your hat, Agree or disagree?
Speaker 2: I disagree. I completely disagree. Has he seen a man
Speaker 2: Thompson play basketball? Yeah, that's what I'm saying, man, I
Speaker 2: completely disagree.
Speaker 1: I think he's saying Nate Smith, me Smith, what's his name,
Speaker 1: Mex Smith?
Speaker 3: You've seen him? Who you know? I completely disagree.
Speaker 2: I think when I look at the Thompson Twins, those
Speaker 2: guys a long just kills that narrative.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I also think Paul George is making a huge mistake
Speaker 2: putting himself in the category with Tony Allen.
Speaker 1: I was just about to say that Paul George is
Speaker 1: not not.
Speaker 3: A lockdown defender.
Speaker 1: He is never he has never been considered a lockdown defender.
Speaker 1: A two way player, yes, but that's different. That's not lockdowns.
Speaker 1: That means you play offense good and you got you
Speaker 1: got good defensive awareness and you're a good defender. But
Speaker 1: he's never been a locked down defender. To really speak
Speaker 1: from that perspective, you know, he's a he's a he's
Speaker 1: an offensive guy, and so I think that the fact
Speaker 1: that people say he's a two a defender, and maybe
Speaker 1: he prided himself on defense, which you have to be anyway,
Speaker 1: but it's some young dogs in this league that's just
Speaker 1: coming out to lock people up.
Speaker 2: Has he seen too many Kamar that did a good play?
Speaker 2: Some defense, So don't tell me these types of guys
Speaker 2: are not around anymore. They're young, and I think when
Speaker 2: you look at the NBA, you're starting to see the
Speaker 2: tie turn. Like we're about to have an NBA Finals
Speaker 2: with somebody knew is winning the NBA Finals that's never
Speaker 2: won the last seven years, last year, so you're starting
Speaker 2: to see a tie turn. Cool, like, so, yeah, you
Speaker 2: gotta give these young guys a chance to actually become
Speaker 2: Tony Allen, right like that text time Tony Allen wasn't
Speaker 2: Tony Allen in Boston, right, Tony Allen and Boston was
Speaker 2: building to work guys like Yo, this dude, unbelievable defender,
Speaker 2: and then he starts showing this wreck, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, showing it against Kobe and then he became
Speaker 2: Tony Allen right like, so you gotta get these these
Speaker 2: guys time to actually do it. But by no means
Speaker 2: they're not there, Like they're there. Maybe Paul George can't
Speaker 2: identify them because he ain't never been that, and that's okay,
Speaker 2: But to think that they're not there or say they're
Speaker 2: not there, it's disrespectful to these young.
Speaker 3: Guys that I see coming.
Speaker 2: They will possibly turn out to be lockdown defenders that
Speaker 2: in fifteen years, guys that they played with like Man
Speaker 2: I played against and Man Thompson I played against too
Speaker 2: many Kamara and them guys like the Tony Allens of
Speaker 2: our you know when we're coming.
Speaker 3: Through and it's not fair for step fair disagree.
Speaker 2: I completely disagree, And you know I would just say
Speaker 2: the PG, don't don't sleep on these young boys they
Speaker 2: coming for you. Don't do that and don't Paul George
Speaker 2: is a lot of things. First ballot Hall of Famer
Speaker 2: is one of them. He ain't Tony out. He ain't
Speaker 2: never been, ain't never gonna be.
Speaker 3: We ain't gonna do that, but we'll be a first
Speaker 3: ballot for sure.
Speaker 2: Anybody who want to question that, I'll make the argument
Speaker 2: for on his behalf.
Speaker 3: But he ain't Tony OUTA don't do that PG, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Before we get into our next segment of the show,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna answer some of your questions in a segment
Speaker 1: call BET with BD. All lines and odds we discussed
Speaker 1: today are subject to change courtesy of Draffkicks. First question, Barrett,
Speaker 1: do you buy into the zig zact theory of the NBA?
Speaker 1: Playoffs in your career, did you ever come off of
Speaker 1: game one when and think we're definitely losing Game two?
Speaker 3: Heck no, you think I'm gonna get another steal.
Speaker 1: If you're on the road, you've figured out a way
Speaker 1: to beat them, but you know that that team is
Speaker 1: gonna make adjustments, So you're definitely not thinking like, oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna lose game two. You're thinking like, hey, this
Speaker 1: is an opportunity to get up too well. So that's
Speaker 1: really not the mentality. I don't think anybody has next
Speaker 1: up baron What stats or trends do you look at
Speaker 1: when betting on the NBA? Does it differ if you're
Speaker 1: betting in the regular season versus the playoffs? I would
Speaker 1: say for me, you're looking at games at home, games
Speaker 1: on the road, the last five games, minutes and touches.
Speaker 1: That's how I would measure anywhere when you're looking for people.
Speaker 1: If you betting on lines about people scoring or rebounding,
Speaker 1: you always want to take the last five games and
Speaker 1: then look at their plan time too, to see how
Speaker 1: much time have they been getting consistently. Is it increasing
Speaker 1: or is it decreasing? Is the coach looking at different
Speaker 1: lineups for that matter. And then I say, in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: you know that the coach is probably gonna play a
Speaker 1: tighter rotation, So you just really should you look at
Speaker 1: the regular season numbers versus the playoffs numbers. Certain players
Speaker 1: have a magic for showing up and overperforming in the playoffs,
Speaker 1: but that's usually going to be your superstars, with one
Speaker 1: or two guys on your team that's going to be
Speaker 1: relied upon, and usually that's somebody that people are not
Speaker 1: paying attention to. And if you take a look at
Speaker 1: these this year playoffs, it's been a lot of the
Speaker 1: three four guys who will be coming up with explosive
Speaker 1: games as well. Final one, Barren, When do you prefer
Speaker 1: to place your bets early in the week, when the
Speaker 1: lines are open, or closer to tip off? I say,
Speaker 1: for me, I would place one earlier in the week
Speaker 1: because it just kind of relieved the stress and the pressure,
Speaker 1: and then if I need to double down or move something,
Speaker 1: then I'll make another bet closer to tip off. You know,
Speaker 1: it could be based on injury or based on, like
Speaker 1: I said, a lineup adjustment, or something that comes in
Speaker 1: from the news later in that in that week or
Speaker 1: closer to tip off, I appreciate you'all chiming in. That
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Speaker 3: We got one get at me question for our fans.
Speaker 2: What do you think about the day Olives Mavericks getting
Speaker 2: number one pick in the NBA Draft?
Speaker 3: What message does that send to tanking teams? Don't tank?
Speaker 3: Don't tank is not gonna work out?
Speaker 1: Hey man, for Dallas, I mean, I've traded in the
Speaker 1: European actor for the.
Speaker 3: An American hero in Dallas in Texas.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, man, and this kid is probably
Speaker 1: the missing link in the trade for Luca that you
Speaker 1: get in addition to ad So the great American hero
Speaker 1: Gi Joe Cooper flag. Cooper Flag is like a Gi
Speaker 1: Joe type of brand. We need like Cooper flag type
Speaker 1: of figureins Dallas the South Texas. Come on, he's gonna
Speaker 1: have some dogs around him and his versatility.
Speaker 3: That's a win. Dallas wins d That's some incredible luck. There.
Speaker 2: One message that sitting to the tank continues for me,
Speaker 2: that shit don't work anyway anytime you're trying to lose
Speaker 2: that he never worked to your favorite stop.
Speaker 1: Okay, who created the four ring handshake? You do with Shock.
Speaker 2: Oh man, it's just kind of so shock, you know,
Speaker 2: be able to do it, and there was always to
Speaker 2: pick on Charles moments up there. It's so fun picking
Speaker 2: on Charles and Chuck's such a good sport about everything
Speaker 2: and funny is hell that he get crazy comeback.
Speaker 3: So it's just always unknowing and so shot go around.
Speaker 2: I got four rings Kenny when I was one of
Speaker 2: my first couple of times on the set.
Speaker 3: Kenny, how many rings you got? Kenny got two rings? Yeah?
Speaker 3: How many rings you got? A full up? I mean
Speaker 3: this is actually I had three, but did it. I
Speaker 3: ended up getting four.
Speaker 2: He's like four and you do the bump, you know,
Speaker 2: Kenny do too, you know, like Charles we're gonna talk
Speaker 2: to It's just I kind of came about me and
Speaker 2: me and Shock throwing up our forest and boom, So
Speaker 2: that's our you know rings.
Speaker 3: Og Chuck along, man, Chuck is a legends.
Speaker 2: Man, Chuck, here's a lesson, you know, but uh, Chuck
Speaker 2: talk a lot of ship, did it a lot of shit.
Speaker 3: So it's always fun getting that Chuck. Chuck one of
Speaker 3: the best off man.
Speaker 2: I've been so fortunate to be around those guys talk
Speaker 2: basketball with those guys, extremely grateful T N. T. Craig Berry,
Speaker 2: Terror August who was there when I first came one man,
Speaker 2: all great people. So I've been very fortunately to be
Speaker 2: with that crew man. But it's gonna be a rap
Speaker 2: from this episode of The Draymond Green Show with the
Speaker 2: legend of my brother Baron Davis. We will chop it
Speaker 2: up with Chuck after some of these games, after what
Speaker 2: I think will be after the series.
Speaker 3: Nicks and next seven Let's go. You don't even believe that.
Speaker 3: I don't even think the Knicks believe it until next time.
Speaker 3: That's a rap. Peace. The volume