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Speaker 1: With the interception, the latest news and notes from the

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Speaker 2: Touchdown Tyler Murray. That defender is in multiple pieces. Oh

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Speaker 2: that was nasty right there. Rights slam the ground by

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Speaker 2: fooda baker Like a torpedo. He came flying into the backfield.

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Speaker 2: I ain't scared of nobody. Here's Paul Calvic. So maybe

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Speaker 2: there's a new greeting that's out there or needs to

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Speaker 2: be out there. Introduced in the by the head coach

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Speaker 2: of the Arizona Cardinals, Jonathan Gannon, who earlier this week

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Speaker 2: looked at Darren and essentially said, hey, d how's your plasma.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's exactly what happened, but I.

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Speaker 2: Mean there's how's life. There's how's it going, how you doing?

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Speaker 2: And then there's how's your plasma? I didn't know that's

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Speaker 2: is that something that the NFL monitors as part of

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Speaker 2: the athlete training programs and all the biometrics and whatever else.

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Speaker 2: Because Darren when he posed the question that the big

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Speaker 2: it's big, big heat, it actually is beneficial to a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he did say that.

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Speaker 2: Okay. Now, because we were all behind you, because you

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Speaker 2: always command a front row seat right next to Danny

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Speaker 2: by Pacific Office Automation poly Podcast, we couldn't tell if

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Speaker 3: It was definitely a finding out look, okay. And Jonathan

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Speaker 3: So persus Jonathan Gannon for letting me know something I

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Speaker 3: You're just one of those guys that sits in the

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, okay, nice and quiet back there.

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Speaker 2: That hurts. I mean, it's one thing, you know, but

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Speaker 3: We just came from a thing where all of us

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Speaker 2: It's good, okay, all right, Danny. How tough is it

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Speaker 4: Basis, because I finance getting there early enough. That's one

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's a couple of deal some for those of

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Speaker 2: Facts as the kids would say. By the way, speaking

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Speaker 4: That's even investing in this. A bit point is that

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Speaker 4: Beacham does that every year. That's nothing to read in between.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Danny, if Kelvin Beecham was an ETF,

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Speaker 2: And then I don't know there there was also I

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Speaker 3: I for sure with me. I mean, I'm not only

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Speaker 3: what it could be. Yes, it's funny when especially round five. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So and again, you've got a position that really doesn't

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Speaker 2: By the way, we already gave b Joejal the Rex

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Speaker 3: I'm really glad that was the Ross Ryan Forum.

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Speaker 4: So I was going, oh boy, let me be aware

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Speaker 4: He was still rehabbing last off season. Wasn't like he

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Speaker 4: Well, that was an interesting topic that Gannon brought up

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Speaker 3: I I kind of agree with Paul, but I under

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Speaker 3: And to me that's the same thing as like the

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Speaker 2: And hence that's my concern or my question whether we

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Speaker 4: Not the same? Kyler Murray changed his footwork in the

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Speaker 2: A great point. And look, if he can master that,

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Speaker 2: not only does it help him prevent future hamstring injuries,

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Speaker 2: his base is strong. He doesn't have the long strides

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Speaker 2: He can set the edge play against I run, which

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Speaker 4: He's also early in his career. I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: And I would I would also say, and I understand

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Speaker 3: I mean I think that kind of fall all falls

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Speaker 2: And to me, look, there's just there's a handful of

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Speaker 2: You know, when Nick Rowlis says in Arizona Sports that

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Speaker 3: Again, you're you took the dude in the second round,

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Speaker 2: And by the way, when b Joe Jelari was asked realistically,

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Speaker 3: So it's funny though, when I was talking to him

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Speaker 3: it'll be interesting to see not only how they're using him,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought that question was interesting, and it's not

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna and if he ever hears this, I hope

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Speaker 3: ask Chandler Jones, do you think you get twenty sacks

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Speaker 2: Like right, yeah, like he's calling his shot. I just

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Speaker 2: so it's just this never ending you know, the media

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Speaker 2: always wants more, and you know, can't you guys just

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Speaker 3: But it's like asking Danny if she could get gold

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Speaker 2: we know how good Roy Lopez was just you know,

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Speaker 4: That's the expectation with the first round pick. Obviously it's

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Speaker 4: everyone's going to want to talk about Marvin Harrison Junior first.

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Speaker 4: The expectations are still there for Darius Robinson similar in

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Speaker 2: Darren him starting remember that tweet Darren put out there,

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Speaker 2: and that's right.

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Speaker 4: playbook or what is expected of him, but think about

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00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,640
Speaker 4: the veterans in that room, Justin Jones and Bolon Nichols

436
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:22,159
Speaker 4: who were brought in re signing L. J. Collier. I

437
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,880
Speaker 4: could see Robinson being more of that rotational player, which

438
00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 4: is what we're going to see anyway, and really having

439
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,400
Speaker 4: a presence maybe on third down and kind of getting

440
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 4: his feet wet throughout the season and really starting to

441
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:36,359
Speaker 4: have a bigger presence the further we get into the season.

442
00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 4: When we were watching practice, I don't even I can't

443
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Speaker 4: even tell the day that Monday, last Monday.

444
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Speaker 2: Is that only this week?

445
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Speaker 4: Yesterday? We're watching practice and we're standing in one of

446
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Speaker 4: the parts that is shaded in our area, which is

447
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,400
Speaker 4: I mean inches from where the D line splits off

448
00:21:56,680 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 4: and does their work. And it felt different, not a

449
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 4: knock of the previous group of D linemen who were here.

450
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 4: I mean it feels mean, and it feels gritty, and

451
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 4: it feels intimidating and that's what you want out of

452
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,000
Speaker 4: a D line. And then you've got Justin Jones, the veteran,

453
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Speaker 4: newly acquired or cardinal, sit down and talk to the

454
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Speaker 4: media and it's like, oh yeah, like you can feel

455
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:27,280
Speaker 4: the vibe that he is bringing and that Balald Nichols

456
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 4: is bringing, and how that is trickling down to the

457
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Speaker 4: rest of that group and that they really are bringing

458
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Speaker 4: out the best in each other. I'd ask that because

459
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 4: every time they split up into pairs to do something,

460
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 4: Jones and Nichols are always together and you can hear

461
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Speaker 4: them encourage each other and hype each other up and

462
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,720
Speaker 4: talk about what they need to be better and tell them, oh,

463
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Speaker 4: like that was great, Like how whatever it is they're

464
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 4: working out like they are always encouraging each other, and

465
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 4: then you can see that spread amongst the group. It

466
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Speaker 4: was Ben Stilly who was going in coaching up Darius

467
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,879
Speaker 4: Robinson when we were watching practice and Dante Stills was

468
00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 4: being vocal and what he was seeing it feels mean

469
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Speaker 4: and it feel in a good way of what we're

470
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Speaker 4: seeing from this new defensive line group.

471
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Speaker 3: I don't I don't think any and it kind of

472
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Speaker 3: goes back to cause I was standing around Danny when

473
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Speaker 3: you're you're looking at him and just when you when

474
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 3: you see that group, and I was talking to somebody

475
00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 3: on the football side, and that person was marveling, just

476
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 3: how and again no disrespect, but how much better that

477
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 3: group is than it was. And again it's not like

478
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 3: Aaron Donald's standing out there, but it's.

479
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Speaker 2: Not the practice squad players you saw the last two

480
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Speaker 2: games last year.

481
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Speaker 3: They have really really improved that group. And again I'm

482
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Speaker 3: not sitting here saying they're gonna be the two thousand

483
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 3: Ravens and shut every team down, but that changes so

484
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Speaker 3: much of the equation as you go forward. I will

485
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Speaker 3: say that if some of these rookies come through in

486
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 3: the secondary, the strides that this defense could make in

487
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 3: one season could be pretty impressive.

488
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a couple of things. One to your point about

489
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: media has close proximity to the D line drills. If

490
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 2: only we can go hard knocks and get some mics

491
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Speaker 2: and cameras out there and bring you the chatter, just

492
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 2: bring you, bring you the chatter, which we can't report

493
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Speaker 2: on exactly, although I will share this. There was one

494
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 2: player who set a pretty violent edge and somebody piped up. Well,

495
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 2: when you have a neck tack too like that, you

496
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 2: better set a violent edge. So there's just a lot

497
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,880
Speaker 2: of great back and forth.

498
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Speaker 4: About Miles Murphy. I think I think I looked. I

499
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 4: turned to Zach Gershman, and I said, and this is

500
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 4: the moment I learned that Miles Murphy has an neck test.

501
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it's just and you know what this is.

502
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 2: This is about as unscientific as it gets. But when

503
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Speaker 2: you see a position group, and especially a group that's

504
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,639
Speaker 2: been together, what three weeks, when you've added the veterans

505
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 2: with the rookies in the d line room, they'd been

506
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 2: together three weeks, and everybody is giving everyone else the

507
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 2: business and the chatter, you realize, okay, there's instant chemistry there.

508
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 2: And you know there are position groups you've seen in

509
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,600
Speaker 2: the past where nobody's saying anything, you know, throughout an

510
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 2: entirety of a drill. And I just it sounds cheesy,

511
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: and I get it, it's NFL and it's professional football.

512
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,520
Speaker 2: But when they're having a good time, that usually means

513
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 2: you're going to have a good team because they know

514
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: they're good and it's more than a job. They're enjoying it.

515
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:25,560
Speaker 2: So we'll see that can mean absolutely nothing, but based

516
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 2: on last year, it's obviously a huge area of improvement.

517
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Speaker 4: And that camaraderie is important. I mean, Justin Jones talked

518
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,879
Speaker 4: about that when asked about his leadership, that he was,

519
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 4: you know, really providing from the get go of coming here,

520
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 4: and Jones and said, look, I can't show up here

521
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 4: and start acting like their dad, like they're also my peers.

522
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 4: You have to be nice to people. You have to

523
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,920
Speaker 4: genuinely be nice to people and want the others around

524
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Speaker 4: you to be their best, because that is going to

525
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Speaker 4: allow everybody to be their best.

526
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Speaker 2: Paul.

527
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Speaker 4: We had a chance to talk with cornerback Garrett Williams

528
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,119
Speaker 4: going into his second year on the Big Red Rage

529
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,240
Speaker 4: a week ago, and he talked about the camaraderie between

530
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: the defense as a whole and the Russian coverage being

531
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Speaker 4: a marriage and how that is an important aspect as well.

532
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 4: It's not just the D line building camaraderie, right, but

533
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 4: the whole defense together and building that chemistry and that

534
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 4: trust because there's a lot of turnover on the defensive

535
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 4: side of the ball, and so it's not just the

536
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 4: D line that's having to adjust to all of that

537
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:27,200
Speaker 4: it's the defense as a whole.

538
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Speaker 3: It's I find it very interesting that you've made that

539
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 3: point about how Justin Jones was saying, like, I can't

540
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 3: treat him like their father and everybody's got to kind

541
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Speaker 3: of have that symbiotic relationship, because Buddha said the same thing.

542
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Speaker 3: Buddha was a little more pointed and when he said,

543
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Speaker 3: there's not the egos aren't there, and we can all

544
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 3: I as a leader, as an as a veteran, I

545
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 3: can give, I can teach people and they're accepting of it.

546
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Speaker 3: And more important and just as important, Buddha said, I

547
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 3: have to be willing to accept that same kind of

548
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 3: stuff from people. But it does make you think a

549
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 3: little bit. I'm like, Okay, was there somebody before that

550
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: Buddha was trying to teach that wasn't accepting of the teaching.

551
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 3: That's not good, not from Buddha, Baker.

552
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Speaker 2: I've been trying to run names through my head who

553
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 2: he could be talking about, but he definitely had someone

554
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 2: in mind. Sure sounded like it when he brought that up.

555
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: But it goes back to what Danny was just saying

556
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 2: about Justin Jones.

557
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 3: It feels like when Buddha says there's this college atmosphere

558
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 3: and then talking about the camaraderie. There's whatever they've created.

559
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: And it doesn't necessarily mean they win a bunch of

560
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 3: football games and still got to prove that, but whatever

561
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: they have created seems it's hard to hide that feel.

562
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 3: You can sit there and say everything's fine, but you

563
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 3: kind of get a vibe one way or the other.

564
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 3: You definitely get the vibe as they say these things

565
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 3: that it's genuine.

566
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 2: And look, it's impossible in the NFL to have a

567
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,879
Speaker 2: good team if you have a bad D line. Just

568
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 2: is show me an example of a good team with

569
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Speaker 2: a bad D line. Usin Jefferson just got paid now

570
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 2: the highest paid non quarterback in the league. Correct. And

571
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 2: I saw the rankings of the different position groups, and

572
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: in terms of the salary structure, quarterbacks number one, receivers

573
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: not all the way up to number three, and D

574
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 2: line is number two, Edge and defensive tackles premiere. So

575
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:23,680
Speaker 2: it just denotes the importance of that. And that's probably

576
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,640
Speaker 2: where the Cardinals were most deficient a year ago, both

577
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 2: because of injury, I mean horrendous injury. There was no

578
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,479
Speaker 2: position of more injured than defensive line. But then they

579
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 2: also needed to add talent. So if they've indeed done that,

580
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 2: we're talking about this with Rob Frederickson about Buddha Baker.

581
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,959
Speaker 2: So Buddha laments the fact that he doesn't get any action anymore. Right,

582
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: nobody comes his way and teams go out there and

583
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 2: they go the other way in a way. But wait

584
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,520
Speaker 2: a minute, now, if you've fortified the front seven, maybe

585
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: Buddha does not need to put the safety into safety position,

586
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be the safety valve all the time,

587
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: and you really can get creative and utilize him as

588
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: a playmaker a Troy paulam and move him around a defense,

589
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: and he could be much more of a playmaker difference

590
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: maker than perhaps having to stay home and save chunk

591
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: run after potential touchdown run, which he had to do

592
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: a year ago.

593
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: Side note, standing there at practice Monday, I mean, this

594
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 4: is gearing towards the end of off season workouts with

595
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 4: the exception of one more ota and then mini camp

596
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,479
Speaker 4: next week. And it was a little warm. I mean

597
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 4: it was definitely the warmest practice on Monday, and I

598
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 4: think you could tell that the d line was just

599
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,480
Speaker 4: trying to have a little fun with it and What

600
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: was so funny to watch was defensive line coach Derek

601
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 4: lebon Is in an electric car scooter, sit down a

602
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 4: scooter because he playing with his grandkids. He tours squad

603
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 4: and his achilles so he's had surgery. He is a

604
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 4: trooper because I will say three weeks ago when he

605
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 4: was first out there, he was like an equipment cart

606
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 4: driving around, and then the next week he was in

607
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 4: a golf cart, so we had some shade. And now

608
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,360
Speaker 4: they've gone in one of these scooters and he is

609
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 4: whipping around and the D line was having a field

610
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 4: day with their coach, talking about how he needed a

611
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 4: horn or to get him a flag to pall on

612
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 4: the back and Dante Stills is singing, they see me

613
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 4: roll it like they are just I was sitting there

614
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 4: and I was like, you know what, if I had

615
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 4: to be a fly on the wall in any of

616
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 4: these position rooms, it would probably be D line.

617
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Speaker 3: Right now, at what point are we going to start

618
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: talking about the Cardinals' coaching staff as being.

619
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Speaker 4: Injured from well quarterbacks coaches, he wolfork Torp his achilles.

620
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Speaker 4: We saw him at the combine. He was on his knee,

621
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 4: was on one of those scooters yeah. I mean, they've

622
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 4: got to be careful.

623
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Speaker 3: And JG has mentioned multiple times how he can't run

624
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: anymore because of his football injuries for US at a time, so.

625
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 4: That might be in their future contracts. Like the players we.

626
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: Had Carrie Rhodes on a couple of times of the

627
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: last couple of years. Remember there were teammates at Louisville,

628
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 2: and Carrie said more than once John Agannon would have

629
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: been an NFL safety that the tragic hip injury he

630
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 2: suffered early in his college career. You know he was tracking,

631
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 2: said Carrie said, he was my backup. I was the

632
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 2: older guy. He was behind me. He was the young guy.

633
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,680
Speaker 2: But he said I saw enough talent. So okay, here's

634
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: my question, just overall on this defense, do you see

635
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: them making one of those pre camp signings. Are they

636
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: gonna be able to tell enough? What have you guys seen?

637
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 2: What do you surmise, Well, there'll be someone added the

638
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: first week of camp late July August to bolster this team.

639
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: I'm presuming on defense, but perhaps.

640
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: Anywhere talking like a big name, right, all right.

641
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: I'll say it. How about a veteran corner. You guys

642
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: know I've been pounding the podium for a veteran corner.

643
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 4: That would probably be the position that at this point

644
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 4: in the off season would make the most sense when

645
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: you're looking at the veterans that are in that room

646
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 4: and that it's really Sean Murphy, Bunting and then a

647
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 4: lot of youth. You've got some second year players, but

648
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 4: to have a true veteran, because it doesn't seem like

649
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 4: they're really gonna move Garrett Williams outside. It seems like

650
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: he's going to stay put where he is unless you

651
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 4: are in some sort of pickle and and that's your

652
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Speaker 4: best option is to move him outside. So if we're

653
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Speaker 4: talking about defense, cornerback would make the most sense. If

654
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Speaker 4: they are going to bring in a veteran, I don't

655
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Speaker 4: know that they are. Yeah, they might start waiting for

656
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: those until transactions start happening and cuts are happening around

657
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 4: the league and players are available. I don't I really

658
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 4: don't know that they're going to spend money at this

659
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 4: point to bring in a veteran cornerback.

660
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Speaker 3: I just think you have so many young guys that

661
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Speaker 3: are going to be in that vein, whether it's slot

662
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Speaker 3: or outside. With Melton and Jones and Rabbit and Williams like,

663
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Speaker 3: I just feel I feel like all you're doing is

664
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Speaker 3: stunting growth.

665
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Speaker 4: Starling Thomas, h Starling.

666
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Speaker 3: Again, you have so much many people also, big extra

667
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: stars for Danny for using pickle, which we I just

668
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 3: don't hear that much anymore in that vein. I mean, obviously,

669
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Speaker 3: if you go get a pickle with your lunch, that's different,

670
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Speaker 3: but you're welcome.

671
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Speaker 2: I guess, well, look if you if Sean Murphy Bunting

672
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Speaker 2: is at one corner and Garrett Williams is your nickel

673
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 2: slot corner, then okay, here it goes Max Melton against

674
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Speaker 2: Elijah Jones against Key Trell Clark. Who am I forgetting?

675
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 2: Darling Thomas Darling Thomas. Yes, that's so. There you go.

676
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Speaker 3: When when you say you want to sign have them

677
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Speaker 3: sign up a veteran corner, what's the thought.

678
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Speaker 4: Oh, I love this because he's trying to he's trying

679
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 4: to throw you under the bus or get you.

680
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have a get So my answer would be twofold.

681
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Speaker 2: Just in general, big picture, proven versus unproven, at least

682
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 2: you would have one proven corner and then number.

683
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Speaker 3: Two sides Sean Murphy butting or you don't.

684
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Speaker 2: In addition to Sean, in addition, in addition, I'm talking

685
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: about that the outside corner opposite SMB as the players

686
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,200
Speaker 2: call them. And then the other situation, honestly, is you

687
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: don't have a repeat last year where you start with

688
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 2: a rookie he struggles, you got to make a move,

689
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 2: and you're sort of chasing that position all year long.

690
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Speaker 4: I also wonder to counter that argument of the new

691
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Speaker 4: coaching staff, the new front office and the position they

692
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Speaker 4: were put in with the draft and all the needs

693
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Speaker 4: they had. I mean, when you're looking at who you had,

694
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,240
Speaker 4: they might have thought they had the pieces they needed,

695
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 4: or it wasn't as high on the list of priorities

696
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 4: of things that absolutely needed to be overturned and have

697
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 4: a new group of players come in as immediately as

698
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: some other positions. But I think the fact that they

699
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 4: drafted three cornerbacks and you bring in Sean Murphy Bunting,

700
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Speaker 4: and it just it seems like this is a position

701
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 4: where they really want to grow their own players. It

702
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 4: feels like, I mean, how many times have we heard

703
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 4: again and talk about the table. Paul, Yes, how important

704
00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 4: these game reps are and DB's are his bread and butter.

705
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Speaker 3: That's a great point. That's a great point.

706
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Speaker 4: Bread and butter pickles, I ate lunch. I don't know

707
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Speaker 4: why what are these?

708
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Speaker 3: I think the fact you saying JG. I think that's

709
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 3: the great point is that JG's that guy.

710
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Speaker 4: Yes, And I just it feels like this is one

711
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 4: of those positions where they really want to have like

712
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 4: homegrown players.

713
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

714
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Speaker 2: Well on paper, I mean they definitely have more in

715
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,240
Speaker 2: terms of assets at corner, not only Sean Murphy bunting,

716
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,360
Speaker 2: but they have a high second round pick in Max Melton.

717
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: Remember last year Key Trawl Clark was a sixth round

718
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 2: pick and then Elijah Jones, whoe has picked number ninety overall,

719
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: late third round pick. I didn't realize he's our guest

720
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: this week in the Big Red Rage. She played in

721
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 2: sixty four games at Boston College. That's an all time

722
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 2: Boston College record. He's twenty four, going to be twenty

723
00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: five during the season. So Jones as far from just

724
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 2: some sort of newbie out of college. I mean, there's

725
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: anyone equipped to maybe make that transition. Max Melton was

726
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 2: a four year starter at Rutgers at least three years,

727
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 2: so there's a lot of experiences.

728
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 3: And again that goes back to what you were saying

729
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: before about the intrigue of Xavier Thomas, because Xavier Thomas

730
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 3: he's also going to turn twenty five at the end

731
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: of the season. He actually thinks his age worked against

732
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 3: him and one of the reasons he dropped to the

733
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 3: fifth round. But again, now he missed some games because

734
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: of the injuries and all this stuff. But he's been

735
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 3: around a while, They've he's experienced a lot. You mentioned

736
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 3: Max Meultain, but sticking with the cornerbacks, like, I just

737
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 3: feel like if you're going to spend second and third

738
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: round picks on those kinds of guys, you got to

739
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 3: be seriously thinking about using them. I mean, I understand

740
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 3: the last year problem, I really do. I also understand

741
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 3: Keith troll Clark was a six round pick and Darling

742
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 3: Thomas you picked off the wave wire. Not that that's bad.

743
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: I think the Lions would have kept Darling Thomas on

744
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: his practice on the practice squad if they could of.

745
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Speaker 2: Especially since they went after two round one corners this year,

746
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 2: or Round one and round two, two very highly drafted guys.

747
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: But but I'm I'm with Danny in the fact it

748
00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 3: does feel like they that's a position they'd really like

749
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 3: to home. And maybe it goes back to because JG

750
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 3: has that background, maybe he thinks this is the one

751
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: place where we really can get really awesome rookie development

752
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: because we have the experience on this coaching staff to

753
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 3: make sure it happens.

754
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Speaker 4: Paul, I know you had Elijah Jones as you're a

755
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 4: big Red Rage guest this week. I know you talked

756
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: about music. How many of the artists that he was

757
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 4: talking because I even listened, how many of the artists

758
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 4: that he was talking about, how do you heard.

759
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,720
Speaker 2: Of I'd say eleven point three percent of the artists

760
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 2: he named. I could already arrow down. I really, yeah

761
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,680
Speaker 2: it was. I just sort of nodded, and he smiled

762
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: because he knew I had no clue. And then afterwards

763
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 2: I said, that's all right, you know it's I let

764
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,800
Speaker 2: you flex your music knowledge whench went way beyond my

765
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 2: I did throw out a couple of jazz artists though,

766
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 2: that I grew up listening to via my old man.

767
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: You know, Chet Baker on horn, Ramsey Lewis on piano,

768
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 2: jazz piano, shout up, bertrand Barry. He loves Ramsey Lewis.

769
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 2: He plays the piano himself. So you know, I still

770
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: listen to Miles Davis every Sunday. It's a ritual based

771
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: on growing up because my dad played a trumpet in

772
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: college and was a jazz trumpet guy. So yeah, so

773
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 2: we connected a little bit. That's that's the eleven point

774
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 2: three percent I cited.

775
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 4: Didn't connect as much as you and Zabon with your

776
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 4: cars and all that though. Okay, okay, all.

777
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,720
Speaker 3: Right, here here's a quick off topic podcast question because

778
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: you just made me think of it.

779
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 4: More off topic than break dancing.

780
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Speaker 3: Uh well, kind of smart fantages. Okay, you guys are

781
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 3: making good points. I'm gonna pickle here. I will. I

782
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: want to ask because I remember when I was like

783
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 3: random my dad. I remember my dad.

784
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: I think you're embarrassing yourself with the question. I think

785
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: I am you're trying to embarrass us.

786
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,440
Speaker 3: But I was like sixteen years old. I'm not trying

787
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 3: to embarrass you. I'm trying to find out what if this

788
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 3: ever came up because you made me think of it.

789
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: I remember once when I was like sixteen years old,

790
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 3: my dad comes up to me and they're like, randomly,

791
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 3: we weren't even having that long of a conversation. He

792
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: looked at me and he was being mostly serious, and

793
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 3: he goes, I just want you to know you better

794
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: not ever call me your old man ever. And you

795
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 3: just had mentioned that my list my old man.

796
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 4: I think my dad would probably feel the same way

797
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 4: if I had to guess.

798
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just that's that's what made me, well, you

799
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: know what, my dad's now eighty plus, So deal with it. Okay,

800
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: all right, loud deal with it. So here's the question

801
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 2: I was going to throw out there, because it's a

802
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 2: question I didn't mean to derail us. It's a question

803
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: we've been putting to the big Red Rage guests. Do

804
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 2: you remember Danny when we asked Gared Williams, Okay, if

805
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: you want to know about offensive weapons, ask a defensive

806
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 2: guy who has caught your eye out there. Not name

807
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 2: Marvin Harrison Junior. Do you remember the two players he named.

808
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 4: Greg Dorch and I know this, Oh.

809
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: Michael Wilson, Yes, yes, indeed, Michael Wilson. He said people

810
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 2: are sleeping on Michael Wilson, and so, okay, very interesting.

811
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: But he did enthusiastically start with Dors And then I

812
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 2: put the same question to Elijah Jones. This week, not

813
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 2: that you don't need to listen to the Big Red

814
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: Rage because there's fourteen other minutes of compelling content. But

815
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 2: when I asked him the same question, Elijah Jones jumped

816
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: on it and said, Trey McBride, One athletic catch after

817
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 2: another by Trey McBride is what Elijah Jones said. Now,

818
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,319
Speaker 2: he's a rookie in the NFL, and what a is

819
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: he scene? Right, he's new on this, but he he said, yeah,

820
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 2: eighty five has caught his eye, no doubt.

821
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Speaker 3: So the dors thing is interesting because I've been going

822
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,360
Speaker 3: back and forth on that. At first, I wasn't sure

823
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,800
Speaker 3: exactly what kind of role he might have or whether

824
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: he would fit in, and it just it feels like

825
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 3: more and more like you when you hear gan and

826
00:40:56,719 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 3: talk about him when you see some of the stats

827
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 3: floating around. I saw some analytical chart that basically said,

828
00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: out of all the players in the NFL, who showed

829
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 3: best against man coverage in terms of I think it

830
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 3: was yards over expected or something like that. Greg Dortch

831
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 3: blew everybody out of the water.

832
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 4: Come I say it, yes, and I'm not trying to.

833
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:25,799
Speaker 4: I am a big fan of Greg Dortch. I sit

834
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 4: here and I don't know what went into the analytics

835
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 4: of that of snap count or you know, how many

836
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 4: passes they were catching or anything like that. I wonder,

837
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 4: I mean, Doortsch didn't have a massive role last year?

838
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 4: So is that skewed from the Chicago game to a

839
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 4: certain extent? And I'm not trying to downplay what he

840
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 4: adds question, right, And I think it's important to look

841
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 4: at those and have those questions. When you're seeing graphics

842
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 4: and stats like that, it is interesting, right are we

843
00:41:57,320 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 4: going to see Dorch in a role that wasn't for

844
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 4: ron Dell Moore that for whatever reason did not pan out.

845
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 4: I really don't know yet what that's going to be

846
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 4: for him.

847
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 2: So NFL dot Com this week came out with yet

848
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,400
Speaker 2: another list. It's listen you love. This is probably the

849
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 2: only list of that list I haven't had an issue with.

850
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:18,440
Speaker 4: Oh.

851
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 2: One underappreciated player from every team is the category. And

852
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 2: I'll just start by I'll set the table with the division.

853
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,680
Speaker 2: For the Rams, it's receiver DeMarcus Robinson. For the Niners,

854
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 2: receiver Juwan Jennings, who, by the way, just got paid

855
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: two years, ten and a half million Seattle went. Their

856
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: pick was outside linebacker boy A Mafe. Nine sacks had

857
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: one against the Cardinals last year for the Cardinals, Greg Dorch, whoa,

858
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 2: And here was a stat I was not aware of

859
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 2: that from weeks eleven to eighteen, he was the second

860
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 2: most targeted player on the Cardinals offense. From week eleven eighteen,

861
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: he also racked up the second most receiving first downs

862
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: fourteen of any player on the Cardinals the second half

863
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: of last season, basically with Kyler Murray.

864
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Speaker 3: I gotta be I saw that too. I'll be honest,

865
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Speaker 3: Like again, it's all preference or whatever. And with all

866
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:17,880
Speaker 3: due respect to Greg Dortch, if I think of the

867
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 3: most underappreciated player on the Cardinals, I think I'm still

868
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 3: going with Jalen Thompson. I mean, this is a guy

869
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 3: who now he got paid, so he's appreciated in that regard.

870
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: But I mean I think heck, at this point, with

871
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 3: the amount of people that have talked about Greg Dortch

872
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 3: nationally here and there, there's probably more people that know

873
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 3: about Greg Dortch than Jalen Thompson.

874
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 2: And by the way, speaking of contracts, Greg Dortch signed

875
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: that one year exclusive rights tender offer. He's making nine

876
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 2: to eighty five, not even making a million, so he's

877
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 2: got a lot on the line. Talk about guys in

878
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: proved years, Greg Dortch is one of those guys a lot.

879
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that doorg. He is a name consistently

880
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,799
Speaker 4: we talk about every training camp and then it kind

881
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 4: of seems like he has never really climbed the depth

882
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 4: chart high enough to have a major role on offense

883
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:12,440
Speaker 4: consistently throughout the season. It seems like he has the

884
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 4: physical traits. Makes me wonder, is something that the hurdle

885
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 4: he's trying to get over, maybe mastering the playbook or

886
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 4: blocking or something along those lines. And so you hope,

887
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 4: I mean the fact that from what we've seen in

888
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:27,319
Speaker 4: practice he's I mean I practice is used lightly. From

889
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 4: what we've seen in the off season, he's looked good.

890
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 4: And so you'd hope that whatever it is physically mentally

891
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 4: that he's being challenged with, that he's rising to the

892
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: occasion and can really carve out a role in the.

893
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 2: Offense or look, every single decision maker putting together an

894
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: NFL roster just looks at his stature and says, that's

895
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 2: a guy we got to replace.

896
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 4: And if you're gonna have weapons that are going to

897
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 4: command the attention of the defense, and Marvin Harrison Junior

898
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 4: and Michael Wilson and Trey McBride and James Connor. Great

899
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 4: if Greg Deorch is going to consist of be open

900
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 4: and be able to get you those extra yards or

901
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 4: some first downs, who cares who it is? Right power

902
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 4: do you?

903
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 2: And especially door choose a very adept return man, get

904
00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: him the ball in space and get out of the way.

905
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: So to your point, like all these other guys are

906
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:19,399
Speaker 2: commanding attention from the defense, if he's able to carve

907
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of room somewhere. We saw what happened

908
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: against Chicago. He got it in space underneath he gone.

909
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: You know, it makes a bunch of guys look stupid

910
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: as if it's a pun return and he's waltzing into

911
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: the end zone. The other thing about Greg Dortch, which

912
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 2: you know, I hope maybe gets traction this year, is

913
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 2: my saying about Greg Dortch. I've been saying this for

914
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 2: a couple of years now. When you exist on the

915
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 2: edge of the roster, you play with an edge, and

916
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: that's dors to me. He's the same dude in a

917
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: dog day camp practice in mid August that he is

918
00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: in December. He's the same guy. So when he gets

919
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: his chance. You know, it's funny because a few times

920
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 2: he's been our postgame radio guest and he always only

921
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: looks at me like, yeah, you know, this is me,

922
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 2: Like why you asking me these questions? Why are people surprised?

923
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,719
Speaker 2: This is the way I compete every single practice. So

924
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,839
Speaker 2: when his number is called and he gets that one

925
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 2: scan opportunity where you better take opportunity or you won't

926
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 2: get another, he's ready because that's the way he always plays.

927
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 3: It's always interesting when you run across those guys, and

928
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: there's a lot of them, the ones that, for lack

929
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 3: of a better term, very much expect to do well

930
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 3: and the very few chances they get and act really miffed.

931
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,439
Speaker 3: If you would think of anything else so much.

932
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 2: You know who the boulder? Do you know who the

933
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 2: rookie is who fits that mindset and that type that

934
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: you're describing.

935
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 4: I think I have it in my head. Rabbit, Yep,

936
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 4: that's what I was guessing.

937
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: Remember his story about when they switched him. They wanted

938
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,600
Speaker 2: to switch him from offense to defense in College's like

939
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 2: have you seen my.

940
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,440
Speaker 3: Tape that's true, which was a great story.

941
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: He's that guy, now, really is He's that just the

942
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 2: bravado brimming with uber confidence. So I'm curious. I'm really

943
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 2: curious see if he's able to cover role because he's

944
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 2: got a tough I mean, he's got Jalen Thompson and

945
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: Buddha Baker ahead of him. That ain't happening. And then

946
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:18,720
Speaker 2: Garrett Williams, So what is his role? Where would he plays?

947
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: He going to be like a Buddha Baker. I'm sorry, Yeah,

948
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 2: like a Buddha Baker who his rookie year is blocked

949
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: by a Tyron Matthew. But you know he has star potential.

950
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 2: So oh, I don't know. He just goes to the

951
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl as a rookie on special teams and that

952
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 2: was the Buddhist story as a rookie, so which, by

953
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 2: the way, you know Buddha shuns the special teams. Now,

954
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: right in the press conference, they asked him about the

955
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: new kickoff. Maybe it was you, Danny, I don't know,

956
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: and then he's like, oh, that's somebody else's problem.

957
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 4: He was saying he's going to be excited on the sideline,

958
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,359
Speaker 4: ready to put his helmet out and run out there.

959
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 2: Let's make this very clear. But he made a point.

960
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: He made a point that it's beneath.

961
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 3: Me because I don't. I think the question was how

962
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 3: you know how, And I think there was a part

963
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: of him less than that was beneath them more like

964
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 3: felt a little sheepishly like, well, I'm not going to

965
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:06,279
Speaker 3: talk about like how hard or how cool it might

966
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 3: be because I'm not in the middle of it.

967
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: That's kind of yeah, okay, I just you know, first.

968
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 3: Of all, we all know that Paul likes to throw

969
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 3: Buddha under the bus. We saw that in Minnesota last year,

970
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 3: and it just continues.

971
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: No, there's nothing good to be gained by me being

972
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 2: on the wrong side of a perennial Pro Bowl or

973
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 2: Buddha Baker. Please don't start that narrative. Although I think

974
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 2: to thank yeah, I did lose some credibility in the

975
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: Buddha Baker, you know side Minnesota.

976
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 3: I think there was a comment about lifting.

977
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: We misunderstood my question, where I meant you picking up

978
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: two dumbbells that were one hundred and ten each combined

979
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 2: is two twenty. He thought I meant like he didn't

980
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 2: weigh as much as one dumb bell, which was one ten.

981
00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 4: Wasn't this during when we were out there for joint practice,

982
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 4: I was thinking.

983
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 2: Yes, it was. I was overheating. Hot was overheated?

984
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 4: That was hot? One thinking of at least shouldn't it

985
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 4: hopefully be as ho for joint practices this year because

986
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 4: JG said practices with the Colts and India will be

987
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:04,359
Speaker 4: at night.

988
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so he did say that he needed to say

989
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 2: they're under the lights. But as Rob Frederickson pointed out

990
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,880
Speaker 2: on the Red Sea Report and that part of the

991
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 2: country that time of year, it doesn't even get dark

992
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 2: till like eight thirty nine.

993
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 3: That's true. Having spent many a summer in Michigan with

994
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 3: my family, that's one of the parts I love because

995
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 3: you're out there playing touch football with other kids in

996
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 3: the neighborhood and it's like nine to thirty and you're

997
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,760
Speaker 3: still playing because it's light outside.

998
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: So it's not going to be broiling hot. But but

999
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 2: I don't know if the lights will beyond necessarily it's

1000
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: just a figure speech, Paul, I know, but there will

1001
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,400
Speaker 2: be extra electricity, There's no doubt those those those evening practices, Darren,

1002
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: come on now, it just brings that little extra like

1003
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 2: I think it takes some players back to like their

1004
00:49:49,520 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: high school football days.

1005
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:51,400
Speaker 3: I can kind of see that.

1006
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: So we'll see, there'll be they'll be. You know, I

1007
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,319
Speaker 2: don't what's the over under right now on? You know,

1008
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say melee, but you know incidents,

1009
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 2: you know, a little Kirk fluffle, you know, something breaking out.

1010
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,360
Speaker 2: I'll say two and a half, two and a half

1011
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 2: on the over under on.

1012
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, tight ship, you don't trust that.

1013
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 4: I'll say under two and a half nothing.

1014
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 3: Nothing happened, And now I would say under two nothing

1015
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 3: happened in Minnesota? Did it?

1016
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:24,479
Speaker 2: Didn't anything else? It was close Isaiah Isaiah Simmons had

1017
00:50:24,520 --> 00:50:28,320
Speaker 2: some uh clark did it? He had some late contact,

1018
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 2: did the gritty gat. It didn't go well for him,

1019
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 2: like three reps later when Justin Jefferson got him.

1020
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 3: But well, it also didn't go well for him, because

1021
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: that's pretty much not what these coaches want from their

1022
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 3: players either.

1023
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: No, that is true. So so okay, so there's that.

1024
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 2: What are the news this week? Anything else? The whole

1025
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:50,799
Speaker 2: veteran thing? Now, Darren, you threw out there if you

1026
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,279
Speaker 2: were a player a ring or.

1027
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was this was in the mailbag? Okay, the

1028
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 3: person want to know if I had asked a bunch

1029
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,239
Speaker 3: of players this, which I never really have because I

1030
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,840
Speaker 3: have reasons for not thinking that it makes sense. But

1031
00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: I'm curious here if you had it, if you were

1032
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 3: some big star NFL player, would you rather have a

1033
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: ring or a gold jacket?

1034
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 2: Gold jacket?

1035
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 3: Somehow that doesn't not surprise me.

1036
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: That's not so serving. Can I explain my answer? Go

1037
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 2: right ahead, Because the gold jacket is something you control.

1038
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,160
Speaker 2: You can be true a gold jacket player on an

1039
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 2: abysmal team and or franchise, and your career would go

1040
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: in anonymity. So if you had to choose one or

1041
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: the other, I would goal with gold jacket because you

1042
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 2: are controlling the controllable.

1043
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 3: Well, but you are. You're controlling your choice. If I

1044
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 3: say you get a ring instead of a gold jacket,

1045
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 3: you're guaranteeing you're getting a ring. Now, I don't know

1046
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 3: what kind of role you're gonna have.

1047
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:51,640
Speaker 4: I would go with Paul. I'd have the same answer,

1048
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 4: I think, because I think that actually shows how great

1049
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 4: of a you know. You can make both arguments of

1050
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,000
Speaker 4: someone like Tom Brady. Look at all his Super Bowls.

1051
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 4: It's okay, that proves he was a great player. There

1052
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 4: are also lots of great players, and the fact that

1053
00:52:04,920 --> 00:52:06,760
Speaker 4: you never won a Super Bowl and you were still

1054
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 4: so great that you are recognized by your peers true,

1055
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 4: I think says a lot as well.

1056
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I just look, I was never good enough

1057
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: to make any kind of significant teams once upon a time,

1058
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:21,439
Speaker 3: But the teams that I have gotten on to play

1059
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,720
Speaker 3: on and the ones that I've been part of, there's

1060
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 3: just something about that. For instance, let's take this team

1061
00:52:30,040 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: super Bowl run. I am obviously not a player. I'm

1062
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 3: not even working on the football side of things, but

1063
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 3: I will tell you that that month running it up

1064
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,359
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl and they didn't even win that

1065
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:45,200
Speaker 3: game was aside from my wedding and the birth of

1066
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 3: my children, that was the most amazing time in my life.

1067
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 3: And to be able to just live through that is

1068
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 3: just crazy. And I just feel like, if you end

1069
00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 3: up doing the gold Jacket, obviously you're gonna have a

1070
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 3: lot of great memories and you're gonna be a great player,

1071
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 3: but you won't necessarily have gone that through. Now, if

1072
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: you have a gold jacket, you're probably guaranteeing yourself making

1073
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 3: a lot of money, probably have some fame that you're

1074
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 3: not necessarily guaranteeing otherwise.

1075
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 4: But also it's a discussion every time when it comes

1076
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:20,279
Speaker 4: to the Hall of Fame inductees when they're nominated of well,

1077
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 4: this player didn't win a Super Bowl, right, does that

1078
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 4: Does that taint the reputation or how deserving they are?

1079
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 2: It's it's a hard taint it, but it is. Right.

1080
00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 4: It's a discussion, it's it's that's a really tough question.

1081
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 3: Right.

1082
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 4: The whole point is to win, right, That's what everyone

1083
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 4: they're spending every single day of the year working towards well.

1084
00:53:41,160 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: That year, the Cardinals had a Hall of Famer and

1085
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 2: Kurt Warner, who led the team to Super Bowl forty three.

1086
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 2: You need that guy at that position. Did you hear

1087
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: what Jonathan Gannon with Wolf and Luke on Arizona Sports

1088
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 2: said about Kyler Murray and I quote that's this week,

1089
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: by the way, it's kind of eye popping, the kind

1090
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 2: of command that he has on the practice field. The

1091
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,160
Speaker 2: defense knows they better be ready to roll or they

1092
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: will get diced. And then he wanted to say, I

1093
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:10,719
Speaker 2: love the versatility to play multiple ways on offense with

1094
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 2: a Kyler Murray as our quarterback. So the praise keeps

1095
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,399
Speaker 2: coming in from the head coach on the quarterback. His

1096
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:22,319
Speaker 2: first offseason spent with Kyler, obviously, and so that's not

1097
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,280
Speaker 2: the first time that he's used the phrase eye popping

1098
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 2: or really you know, just bringing a new sort of

1099
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:32,560
Speaker 2: awareness to his ability to excel as a quarterback. So okay,

1100
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: you know, once again, just more intrigue as to what

1101
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,240
Speaker 2: Kyler is going to look like this season in this offense,

1102
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,000
Speaker 2: now that he can command the offense, he has a familiarity,

1103
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 2: he has a run game, you know, James Connor and

1104
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:51,239
Speaker 2: who looks about as motivated as possible. And so yeah,

1105
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: it's just you know, if the game is going to

1106
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,720
Speaker 2: begin and end with your quarterback, then I think the Cardinals,

1107
00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 2: at least based on JG I'm just reading through the coach.

1108
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 2: He seems really bullish on his quarterback right now.

1109
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 3: Well, god, I hope so, because otherwise no boy, no,

1110
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 3: but uh yeah, I mean, but.

1111
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 2: I mean, don't you don't you get a sense that, look,

1112
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 2: you're never gonna be negative or critical your quarterback in

1113
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: the press, but some of the praise, Yeah, no, I

1114
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 2: I would agree it's above and beyond.

1115
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 3: It goes back to what I was talking about earlier

1116
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:27,280
Speaker 3: in the in the podcast, when I was saying, how

1117
00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 3: you can say all the right things, but you can

1118
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,480
Speaker 3: tell when it's genuine. I would agree with that. I

1119
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: don't think there's any question that what JG says, the

1120
00:55:37,080 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 3: nice things he says about Kyler Murray, the encouraging things

1121
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: he says about Kyler Murray, he absolutely in his gut

1122
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 3: believes them. But again, there's has to be the performance.

1123
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 3: And that's that's just where we are. And that's not

1124
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,080
Speaker 3: a knock on Kyler. It's not a knock on anybody.

1125
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 3: It's not a knock on you know. It's it's not

1126
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 3: gonna be I mean, it seems like at this point

1127
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 3: the future, for instance, just making for instancy here, but

1128
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:06,399
Speaker 3: the futures of Buddha Baker or James Connor with this

1129
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:10,839
Speaker 3: team hinge a lot on what happens this year. And

1130
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 3: I same thing with not necessarily a future with Kyler Murray.

1131
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 3: But like Kyler's now going to have the whole off season,

1132
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 3: We're going to talk all off season about how he's

1133
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 3: got this whole off season. He's going to be healthy

1134
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,120
Speaker 3: all these things like there's no there can be no

1135
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 3: stumbling blocks anymore. This has to be this has to

1136
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 3: be a I'm not going to necessarily say it has

1137
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 3: to be a great season for Kyler Murray, but it

1138
00:56:34,120 --> 00:56:35,480
Speaker 3: better be pretty damn close.

1139
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,520
Speaker 4: That's an interesting point we haven't really talked about when

1140
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 4: discussing prove it years. Might not be a prove it

1141
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 4: year in terms of he's in a contract year. I

1142
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 4: think you could argue though, that this might be a

1143
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 4: prove it year year two, first full off season with

1144
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 4: this staff, and the changes he made when he came

1145
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,480
Speaker 4: back in the middle of last season, all the qualities

1146
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 4: they want to see from him on the field, qualities

1147
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:02,759
Speaker 4: they want to see from him off the field, and

1148
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,959
Speaker 4: leading this team to success. I think that's a really

1149
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 4: good point of we should have high expectations. I mean,

1150
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:10,720
Speaker 4: Kyler is not a rookie.

1151
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 3: He's not going into your two three, he's going into

1152
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:13,879
Speaker 3: your six too.

1153
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got a top five run game. They solidified

1154
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 2: the offensive line.

1155
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 4: Gave him weapons out wide.

1156
00:57:20,560 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 2: So it's all right there.

1157
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 4: They're you know, beefing up the defense so you're not

1158
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 4: having to sling it and be one dimensional playing from.

1159
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 2: Behind once again, everybody. Now, last time he had a

1160
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,600
Speaker 2: top ten run game was the first half of twenty

1161
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: twenty one. They started seven and oh, ten and two,

1162
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 2: So we'll see what that means.

1163
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 3: All I know is to bring up seven and one,

1164
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: didn't you? You can say seven and oh you had

1165
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 3: to bring up a J. Green not turning around?

1166
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 2: No what I say? I said seven and oh, ten

1167
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:49,280
Speaker 2: and two?

1168
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 3: Oh?

1169
00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 2: Is thatts? What I heard?

1170
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 3: Seven and Okay, By the way, I feel like an idiot.

1171
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: Now maybe I mixed it because I was going to

1172
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: talk about week one and getting back to the Colts.

1173
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 2: I'll leave you with this. Have you seen the smoke

1174
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 2: between C J. Stroud and the Colts defense?

1175
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 3: Oh no, not the Colt I saw. I saw c J.

1176
00:58:08,280 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 3: Stroud said some interesting things about Aaron Rodgers, but I

1177
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 3: didn't know Matthew Stafford.

1178
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah about if like Matthew Stafford had

1179
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,680
Speaker 4: essentially been in Green Bay, he would have had as

1180
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 4: many rings as Aaron Rodgers.

1181
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 3: No, no, as Tom Brady.

1182
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 4: As Tom Brady.

1183
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was saying like, if Matthew Stafford had played

1184
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 3: for all those Green Bay teams, he would have won

1185
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 3: way more rings. Really, Oh yeah, he c J.

1186
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:33,440
Speaker 2: Stroud said that, oh yeah, okay, so is this is

1187
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 2: good with the young man needs his own podcast at

1188
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 2: this point.

1189
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: He does need his own podcast seeing some of the

1190
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:40,720
Speaker 3: stuff he's done with Michael Parsons's.

1191
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:45,080
Speaker 2: So apparently the Colts linebackers ay Or Franklin and EJ.

1192
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 2: Speed they tossed some shade at c J. Stroud and said, uh,

1193
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 2: you know, we need to see that guy again. I'm

1194
00:58:52,920 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: gonna mess him up for the rest of his career.

1195
00:58:56,040 --> 00:58:58,120
Speaker 3: Well, what were they this on?

1196
00:58:58,760 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 4: This was prompted, It.

1197
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 2: Was earlier this off season, and so then Stroud was

1198
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 2: asked about it on a podcast that dropped this week,

1199
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 2: and he talked about, yeah, you know I heard it.

1200
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:12,080
Speaker 2: They're going to hit CJ. You know they're gonna hit

1201
00:59:12,120 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: me in my face. I'm going to get him next

1202
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 2: year and all this. He said. Where I'm from, this

1203
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: is CJ. Stroud. Now where I'm from, we say, why

1204
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 2: didn't you do something when you were mad? You were

1205
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 2: mad right there, do something. You could have made hell

1206
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: of plays, bro, you could have made plays dog, you

1207
00:59:27,120 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 2: could have made me shut up right there, but you didn't.

1208
00:59:29,680 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 2: So it makes you think you're going to do it

1209
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: now and if you do, I'm going to come back

1210
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 2: for real and blah blah, all this stuff so always.

1211
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,160
Speaker 3: But it's just there's something so awesome and I want to.

1212
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,080
Speaker 4: Make sure I didn't make any so that they have

1213
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 4: for future intros.

1214
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 2: No, that's I already. I wrote that into my new

1215
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: my new contract, no drops for me, so anyway, and

1216
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 2: then he finished by saying, you know what, the Colts

1217
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 2: hate me already and I love it. And they square

1218
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: off in week one.

1219
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 4: So great, good rivalry.

1220
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 2: There you go. So if you run out of questions

1221
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 2: when you're an indie for the joint, just start asking

1222
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 2: about c J. Stroud. You'll you'll get some reaction there,

1223
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 2: apparently from the Colts defense. That's why I throw that

1224
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 2: out there.

1225
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 3: I think there's still some Cardinals fans pretty salty about

1226
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 3: c J. Stroud too.

1227
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 2: All right, So Darren made it through with his throat

1228
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 2: and all, you don't need any smart bandages for your

1229
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,440
Speaker 2: throat by chance. I will say this.

1230
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 3: Yesterday I was really struggling and my wife's like, what

1231
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 3: did you take yesterday? And I said, well, I didn't

1232
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:25,960
Speaker 3: take anything. And I got to look like, what the

1233
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 3: after you doing? Why are you not taking anything? Which

1234
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,640
Speaker 3: I don't really love taking medicine, but it's amazing when

1235
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: you take some medicine, how much that can help you

1236
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 3: get through the day.

1237
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:35,640
Speaker 4: Crazy.

1238
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 2: Wow. So you're finding out why medicine exists? Is that what?

1239
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: It's sort of an epiphany for you.

1240
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 3: You like to think I'm all right, it's not. You know.

1241
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: You know, Darren's the old school tough guy. Can rub

1242
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 2: some dirt on it. You know, here I go, I'll.

1243
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:50,800
Speaker 3: Make get through last quite well, last quick thing you

1244
01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 3: talk about the rubbing the dirt on this is My

1245
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 3: youngest son loves this story. When he was playing baseball

1246
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:58,680
Speaker 3: when he was I don't know at this point. He

1247
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 3: was I think he was seven or eight, and he

1248
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 3: was on a pretty good team and he was out

1249
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 3: throwing the ball and he jammed his finger or something

1250
01:01:05,920 --> 01:01:08,440
Speaker 3: and he was crying about it, and I'm like, dude,

1251
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 3: shake it off, you're fine, go play, and he played,

1252
01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:13,960
Speaker 3: but it was bothering him. Like two days later, my

1253
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 3: wife took him to the emergency room and he broke

1254
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 3: it and sorry to this very day, to this very day,

1255
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 3: he still is like, hey, Dad, remember the time I

1256
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 3: broke my finger and you told me just to play

1257
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 3: with it, like rub some dirt on it and go on.

1258
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, yes, I remember, it makes fel better.

1259
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 4: I feel like every kid is a story like that.

1260
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:37,400
Speaker 2: Two summers ago, we don't trust all our kids. Two

1261
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,000
Speaker 2: summers ago, my twelve year old daughter was complaining and complaining.

1262
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,320
Speaker 2: We're on vacation. My wife had to go back for work,

1263
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 2: so it was me and the two kids, and of

1264
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,560
Speaker 2: course she deemed me unequipped and unqualified to handle the kids.

1265
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:48,480
Speaker 2: And I said, Nah, she's fine, don't worry about it.

1266
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 2: As soon as we got back to the az the

1267
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: next day, my wife took her to the doctor. She

1268
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 2: had a double ear infection and pink eye. Do you

1269
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 2: think I've ever heard the end of that? No, absolutely not,

1270
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 2: and you never will. But that's the end of this edition.

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