1 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: Let's at the inside Scoop with that T senior insider 2 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,880 Speaker 1: Ken Rosenthal and Ken. A fresh notes column came out 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:11,159 Speaker 1: this morning, so let's dive right in. 4 00:00:11,280 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 2: Hold on, hold on, no, no, no stuff. I have a favorite 5 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: ask I Ken before we dive into the notes. Ken, 6 00:00:15,640 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: I have to wear tuxedo on Saturday night? Or first 7 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: of all, are you going to be there? 8 00:00:19,520 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 3: I'll be there, yes, but not a tuxedo. 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:23,760 Speaker 2: Okay, I have to wear a tuxedo and I had 10 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:25,320 Speaker 2: to buy a bow tie, and I'm not talking about 11 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,639 Speaker 2: the clip on bow tie. Will you teach me how 12 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: to tie a bow tie? Can you teach me in 13 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: under five minutes how to tie a bow tie? 14 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 4: Or will you tie it for me? 15 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:37,600 Speaker 3: I can help you with it, but it's difficult to 16 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 3: do on someone else from me, especially with you all 17 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 3: need a step stool obviously, but I'm game to help you. 18 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 3: Why do you have to wear a tuxedo? 19 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 2: By the way, because I'm on the dias dias dais 20 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: whatever it's called, and I'm presenting, so I have to 21 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 2: wear Trust me, if it was my choice, I would 22 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 2: go like Chris Sale last year, no tie and like 23 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 2: just a long sleeved shirt. 24 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 4: But you know they said I have to wear one, 25 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 4: so actually. 26 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 3: I'll just unless order otherwise, so I'll help you out. 27 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you, that's good video. 28 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 1: Our social team is just like drooling right now hearing 29 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: that they're able to do a two minute behind the 30 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: scenes clip with Ken trying to teach aj how to 31 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: tie a bow tie. Anyway, that was fun for thirty seconds. 32 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: Let's get to business, so Ken Fresh notes column in 33 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: The Athletic. Let's start with your take on Bobachett's deal slash, 34 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: how the lockout isn't really holding back the big stars 35 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 1: from big contracts, right or not? 36 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 4: The lockow and I found it interesting. 37 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I found it interesting. Scott just the idea that 38 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:40,760 Speaker 3: he would take a one year opt out, and a 39 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 3: couple of other players have done that as well. In 40 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: Ma's Got One, Michael King's Got One. There are a 41 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 3: few players a handful that have in their deals one 42 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 3: year opt outs as well as two year opt outs 43 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 3: in the three year deals. So I found that interesting 44 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 3: because remember we have the lockout coming on December first. 45 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 3: It's a near certainty. Of course, doesn't mean we're going 46 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,200 Speaker 3: to miss games, but there is the chance in twenty 47 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 3: twenty seven, that part or all of the season will 48 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 3: be canceled. I don't believe that's going to happen, but 49 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 3: that possibility exists. And yet Bobachhett is willing to go 50 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: back into the market. And there are a couple of 51 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 3: reasons for that. One because he's still going to be 52 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:20,919 Speaker 3: a young free agent. He'll be the same age next 53 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 3: offseason that Kyle Tucker was this offseason, and one of 54 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 3: Kyle Tucker's appeals is that he's entering his age twenty 55 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 3: nine season. Also part of this is if you remember 56 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 3: the last lockout back in twenty three, I believe it 57 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 3: was twenty one, I can't remember the year, But what 58 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 3: happened right before the lockout was a free agent spending 59 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: frenzy unlike any we've ever seen before. One point four 60 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 3: billion was spent in one day as teams were trying 61 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: to get in under the buzzer, trying to get players 62 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 3: under contract before the lockout began. So that too would 63 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 3: suggest that it's not going to be a problem for 64 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 3: a guy like Bobashett. Maybe it's a problem for a 65 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: lesser free agent, but a guy like Bo no and 66 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 3: the other part of this, and actually the reason I 67 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 3: got thinking about it was a GM mentioned to me 68 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 3: last week that it's been difficult to value players with 69 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,639 Speaker 3: two years of control left on the trade market. Difficult 70 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 3: because again, we don't know what twenty seven is going 71 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 3: to look like. So if you're giving up prospects for 72 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 3: a guy with two years of control, let's use Brendan 73 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 3: Donovan as an example, are you giving up too much 74 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 3: because you really only might get one year of control 75 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 3: or one plus years? Who knows. And the general consent 76 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 3: as I'm getting from people in the game is that 77 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 3: while we all understand that a lockout is going to happen, 78 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: there's a lot of positive momentum with the sport right 79 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 3: now with the industry, and to miss a significant amount 80 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: of time, even if the owners are hell bent on 81 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 3: a salary cap, that would be something that probably is 82 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 3: not going to happen. 83 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 4: Now. 84 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 3: I'm not going to make any predictions on labor because 85 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:00,680 Speaker 3: who knows what will happen. But logically speaking, the way 86 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 3: the game is right now, record revenues coming off a 87 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 3: great World Series a better place esthetically because of the 88 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 3: pitch clock, the larger basis, all of the things that 89 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 3: have happened in recent years. It would seem to me 90 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 3: it would be kind of dumb to start missing games 91 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,559 Speaker 3: at this point or twenty seven. 92 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,359 Speaker 2: Great, Great, I was gonna ask you about something completely different, 93 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 2: but you brought up a point, and I want to 94 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 2: ask you about it. It's the you said of spending 95 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,600 Speaker 2: frenzy like we had never seen before the last CBA expired. 96 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: Is that because that the owners say, Man, if we 97 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 2: sign these guys to big money, they're gonna be a 98 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 2: little more hesitant to go to the union and say, hey, 99 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: I can't miss a whole year, I can't miss part 100 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 2: of the year because I'm making big money. Now do 101 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 2: you think we'll say the same thing again between the 102 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: end of the World Series and December first, when the 103 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 2: CBA expires. 104 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: I don't remember exactly, AJ, but that is not what 105 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 3: fueled it. If I recall correctly, what fueled it was 106 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 3: the simple desire to get in under the buzzer, as 107 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 3: I said before, and get these players under contract. It 108 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,640 Speaker 3: wasn't to co opt them in any way with regard 109 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: to the negotiations, So I don't see that really being 110 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 3: a factor in how this is going to play out. 111 00:05:12,360 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 3: Perhaps the greater factor is teams might be less inclined 112 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 3: to do what they did the last time, that crazy 113 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,760 Speaker 3: spending frenzy that I mentioned. When there is the threat 114 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 3: or the possibility of a salary cap that I guess 115 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 3: could affect it. But I'm only guessing. With that, it 116 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 3: seems to me that the same mechanics likely would be 117 00:05:32,920 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 3: in effect. 118 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 4: Oh okay, hid you do it? Oh? Sorry, I bet 119 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,839 Speaker 4: I was reading the wrong thing. Ken. 120 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: My next question is on Bellinger. Everyone's posting like much 121 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: like what haw Mikyle Tucker. He's expected to sign soon, soon, today, soon, 122 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: this week? Is it soon tomorrow? What do we expect 123 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 2: for soon? And what do we expect to do? We 124 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 2: even know the teams and we know Yankees, but there 125 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 2: hasn't been much other talk other than the Yankees. 126 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:06,159 Speaker 3: I would say soon means within a week. I would 127 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: expect it's going to happen within a week. We're getting 128 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 3: closer to spring training now, believe it or not. And 129 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: I would imagine not only does Bellinger want resolution, but 130 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 3: the teams involved want resolution as well. Now, the question 131 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 3: with a guy like Bellinger who lingers on the market 132 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: is always, well, what's the rest of the market? Who 133 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: is in there besides the Yankees, and we know the 134 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: Yankees offer pretty much five years, one sixty two, opt outs, 135 00:06:31,560 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 3: big signing bonus, all these elements to it, no deferrals. 136 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:39,119 Speaker 3: It's seemingly a good offer. But could the Mets jump 137 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,679 Speaker 3: in They still need a guy like Bellinger. In fact, 138 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: I've always thought Bellinger was a better fit for them 139 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 3: than Tucker, simply because of his defensive ability and versatility. 140 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 3: So the Mets, certainly after not getting Tucker, could be 141 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 3: in the market for that kind of player. And the 142 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 3: Blue Jays were the other big bidder for Tucker ten years, 143 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 3: two hundred and fifty million, as first reported by John Hayman. 144 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 3: So why wouldn't they with two outfielders coming off the 145 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: books at the end of this season, var Show and 146 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: Springer be involved in Bellinger as well. These are fair questions, 147 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 3: and I always caution people on my show and on 148 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: this show when I write that we don't know the 149 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: full extent of what's going on. And I'm not trying 150 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 3: to say there are mystery teams or anything like that, 151 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 3: but usually there is more than one team in a market. 152 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 3: And if there wasn't in this case, if Bellinger and 153 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: his agent Scott Boris weren't trying to work things, then 154 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 3: it would just take the Yankees deal, I would assume, 155 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 3: But apparently they believe there might be something else out there, 156 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 3: and who knows what that might be. 157 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: Nobody likes a bloated cell phone bill. It can consume you, 158 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: it can take over, it can be very annoying. 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Everybody knows that they're in on Tucker, 182 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 5: and all of a sudden they're quietly in on Belly? 183 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 5: Or does it normally say okay the mo is we 184 00:08:56,320 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 5: hear about the teams that are in on players, and 185 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 5: if they're not, then we're not hearing about a certain 186 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,440 Speaker 5: player like Belly. Because I'm also confused why they wouldn't 187 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 5: be in on Belly. 188 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 3: First off, I don't know that they were loud about Tucker. 189 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,560 Speaker 3: We didn't really hear much about them for the longest time, 190 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 3: and they don't talk at all. Actually, clubs don't talk 191 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 3: at all about free agents because they're not permitted to 192 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,679 Speaker 3: under the CBA. They're very careful with that, actually, so 193 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: it wasn't that. I guess what you're asking Eric is 194 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 3: is it possible that while they wanted Tucker, Bellinger is 195 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:32,080 Speaker 3: just as good a fit, or if not a better fit, 196 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,559 Speaker 3: And yeah, they're right in there too. I would say 197 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: why not. Why wouldn't they be. We've seen them active 198 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 3: the entire offseason. We've seen them do big things already, 199 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 3: and they had a big offer out for Tucker Bellinger 200 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 3: would not require the same kind of contract, of course, 201 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 3: But at the same time, I would think, yes, that 202 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 3: they're in their swing. I just don't understand why they 203 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 3: wouldn't be for that matter. 204 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 5: Especially with his versatility and a better defender. I guess 205 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 5: Tucker's a better hitter. But you know, there's definitely value 206 00:10:03,320 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 5: there for Bellinger somebody that doesn't have value based on 207 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 5: what you wrote in your article from what an executive said, 208 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 5: Zach Gallan being the exact words I think you wrote 209 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 5: were the least attractive free agent among the rejected qualifying offers. 210 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 5: Now that was not your words, it was an executive. 211 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 4: Correct. 212 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 5: Is that something that Okay, so he's in that range 213 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 5: where like that pick, that competitive pick is really hurting 214 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 5: him or is that just like, okay, he's just the 215 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 5: last chip to fall. 216 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: The point the executive was making was that there is 217 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 3: always one or two guys who jet qualifying offers and 218 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 3: linger on the market who aren't maybe at the same 219 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 3: level as a Juan Soto last year or Kyle Tucker 220 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,960 Speaker 3: this year, guys who are no brainers to sign and 221 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 3: give up draft picks for Boba Schetz another one, and 222 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 3: most of the other qualifying offer free agents fit into 223 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 3: that category. But there is always, it seems, in this 224 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 3: executive's opinion, a guy or two that kind of get 225 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 3: hurt by the system the way it is hurt by 226 00:11:08,000 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 3: the qualifying offer. Zach Gallen might be one of those players. 227 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 3: Now I say might because we don't know how this 228 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 3: is going to turn out. But would it surprise me 229 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 3: if Zach Gallen, a Scott Bors client, made a decision 230 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: like a number of other Scott Bars clients have made 231 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 3: in recent years, from Blake Snell to Matt Chapman to 232 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: Alex Bregman, and take a shorter deal, go back into 233 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 3: the market next year perhaps or the year after, without 234 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 3: a draft pick attached, and at that point maybe do 235 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: better than he would do this offseason. He also had 236 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,200 Speaker 3: kind of a down year by his standards. He was 237 00:11:44,240 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 3: not great for four months. Zach Allen back to himself 238 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,079 Speaker 3: the last two months, so it seems that that's hurting 239 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 3: him as well. But the executive's point was there are 240 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 3: guys who get hurt by this. Pavetta was won last year. 241 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: Pavetta didn't get the deal that he probably wanted. Four 242 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 3: US fifty five million was what it was from the 243 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 3: Padres when he rejected the qualifying offer. The qualifying offer 244 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 3: seemed to hurt him. 245 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 4: It hurts some guys, it doesn't hurt other guys. It's crazy. Listen, 246 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 4: we've talked about CBA. 247 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 2: That's gonna be a big thing in the CBA is 248 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 2: the qualifying offer and the draft picks because teams hold 249 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 2: it all to well, it's a lot. There's gonna be 250 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: so much gosh, this offseason is gonna suck, and I'm 251 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 2: not gonna lie, uh just because the next offseason, as 252 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,240 Speaker 2: the deadline looms and all these things start, it's going 253 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 2: to be awful. 254 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 4: But I don't want to talk about that anymore. 255 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: Yesterday we had ce Trent rosecrants on and he was 256 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: talking about the Reds obviously that's his squad, and I said, well, 257 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 2: Hunter Green is available, and he said, you didn't hear 258 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: that from me, I still don't believe it. So you've 259 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 2: said that the Reds are getting offers for their starting pitchers. 260 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: Would they really trade one of those starters for prospects? 261 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 3: I'm with Trent. I don't believe that they're necessarily inclined 262 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 3: to do that. They're pretty happy with their starting pitching. 263 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 3: They consider it the strength of their team. And the 264 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 3: only way they would do it is the only way 265 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 3: that the Tigers would trade Trek School will, the only 266 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 3: way the Brewers will trade Freddie Paratha. All different circumstances, 267 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 3: but teams will tell you we'll do anything as long 268 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 3: as it improves us for the short and long term. 269 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 3: So are you going to make a deal for a 270 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 3: Hunter Green that's going to improve you short and long term? 271 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 5: Good luck? 272 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 3: I don't know that you can. And that goes for 273 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 3: the rather Red starters as well, Lodolo and Abbott, the 274 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 3: entire top group. If they do it and maybe accept 275 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 3: younger players back, then they would have to backfill, and 276 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 3: the options in free agency to backfill sign another starter 277 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 3: or starting to dwindle. So I don't necessarily see it happening. 278 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 3: And by the way, Age, getting back to your point, 279 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: about how next off season is going to be awful. 280 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be awful. The two sides actually 281 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 3: can reach an agreement, forge a new collective bargaining agreement 282 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 3: before the deadline even come about on December first. This 283 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: has happened in the past. It happened in two thousand 284 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 3: and six. Hasn't happened recently. 285 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:06,719 Speaker 4: I know that. 286 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 3: But again it's not Oh, it shouldn't be FATA complete. 287 00:14:10,840 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 5: I know it is. 288 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 3: Basically, the Commission has already announced that there's going to 289 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 3: be a lockout. I get it, but we accept this 290 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:22,080 Speaker 3: as reality when in reality they can. 291 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 4: Do other things. 292 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: They can actually make an agreement. 293 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 5: I think they should because the game is in a 294 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 5: good place. Let's get to somebody who was actually traded 295 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 5: Nolan Aernado. It's now come out in your notes column 296 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 5: that there were two other teams that were in serious pursuit. 297 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 5: Can you rank those two teams, the Athletics and the Padres, 298 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 5: and exactly how they were going to deploy Nolan Aernada. 299 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 3: Yes, the Oakland oh, sorry, the Sacramento As were one 300 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 3: of those teams. They were going to use him at 301 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 3: third base, and that is a position that they've been 302 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: trying to fill. What happened in that case was they 303 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:59,480 Speaker 3: had a deal in place with the Cardinals, I'm told, 304 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 3: and the deal was one in which they were taking 305 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 3: on more money than the Diamondbacks ultimately did. Remember, the 306 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:09,480 Speaker 3: Diamondbacks are only paying eleven million of the remaining forty 307 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 3: two million on Arnado's remaining two years. The A's were 308 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: going to pay more, and in that respect, it was 309 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,000 Speaker 3: a better deal that the Cardinals would have gotten, But 310 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 3: Arnaudo indicated that he'd rather than prefer or he'd rather 311 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 3: that they continue negotiating with teams like the Diamondbacks, and 312 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 3: the other team that was involved late was the Padres. 313 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: The Padres wanted Ronado to play first base, and that 314 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: would have been a position change for him. But this 315 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 3: guy's a ten time goal glove winner, a third or 316 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 3: whatever it is. I would feel comfortable that he could 317 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: have adapted to first And the Padres thought process was, 318 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 3: we don't want to really pay any of this. We 319 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 3: want the Cardinals to pay the vast, vast majority, because 320 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: they are still looking for a starting pitcher, probably a 321 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 3: pitcher with an AAV and the eight to twelve million 322 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 3: dollar range, and that is where they wanted to put 323 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 3: more of their money. They still want a bad as well, 324 00:16:04,360 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: but based on their actions here and overall, you would 325 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 3: think that what they're going to try to do here 326 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:14,440 Speaker 3: is get a very inexpensive bat and a picture. Like 327 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 3: I said in that eight to twelve million dollar AAV range. 328 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: Speaking of range pictures, an eight to twelve million AAV range. 329 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 2: You mentioned Justin Verlander and I actually saw him on 330 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 2: Sunday and talked to him, and he said he's got 331 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 2: an interest from teams. He just hasn't gotten the right 332 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 2: offer and he's waiting for it. And plus you know, 333 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: he's like, hey, if I wait until spring training, you 334 00:16:34,680 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 2: know someone's going to go down unfortunately, and then a 335 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 2: team that is going to come to him and say, hey, 336 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 2: can you do this? 337 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 4: So there's offers. 338 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: I don't know if there's offers out there, but there's 339 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 2: definitely interest in Justin Verlander. 340 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 4: Are there teams? 341 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 2: You mentioned the Orioles, but are there how many teams 342 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: do you think would be interesting because I think he's 343 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: the perfect fit, much like Max Scherzer was for Toronto 344 00:16:53,920 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 2: last year, to go in and help a team put 345 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 2: him over the top and get him to the World Series. 346 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 3: I agree with you, and he had a really good 347 00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 3: second half for the Giants. I know the first half 348 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 3: wasn't what he envisioned, but he proved in that second 349 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 3: half that he could pitch at a high level, not 350 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 3: the old Justin Verlander level, but certainly a high level 351 00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 3: where he is an above average major league starter. Now 352 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 3: I don't know the exact teams interested, and the reason 353 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 3: I wrote about the Oriols I heard about them and 354 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 3: they are considering, of course, numerous options, and I didn't 355 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 3: want to overplay it in what I wrote, and I 356 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 3: don't believe that I did. It's not close or anything 357 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 3: like that. But Verlander is from Virginia. He knows Michaelias 358 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: the Ools GM from his time in Houston twenty seventeen 359 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 3: and eighteen. And of course the Oils are still looking 360 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 3: for one more starter. 361 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 4: Maybe it's at the. 362 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:46,400 Speaker 3: Top of the market. That's probably their preference, whether it's 363 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 3: one of the great starters available in trade, Schooble Peralta 364 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 3: if they're actually going to move, or someone like from 365 00:17:53,359 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 3: ber Valdez. But Verlander could represent a fallback for that 366 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 3: much like Chris Bassett or another starter could. So that 367 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:03,440 Speaker 3: was one team. There are other teams still looking for starters. 368 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,400 Speaker 3: The Giants are won actually, and the Mets. You can 369 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:08,800 Speaker 3: go right down the line. I don't know if the 370 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 3: Mets would want to go back to Orlando or they're 371 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 3: probably aiming higher as well. But do I expect he's 372 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,680 Speaker 3: going to pitch in twenty twenty six? I absolutely do. 373 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 2: As he should, as he should for me, at least 374 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 2: he should. Yes, yes, I mean he pitched good Pete. Yeah, 375 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: he pitched well in the second half and did some 376 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:30,199 Speaker 2: nice things. Got to remember how bad he was at 377 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,880 Speaker 2: the start, and he turned it around the second half. 378 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 4: He did. So anyway, let's see what happens. 379 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 5: Kind of the Pirate's gonna spend more money or they 380 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 5: just gonna throw it around and be like, which pat 381 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 5: is the baseball under? Oh, same payrolls last year. 382 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 3: Well they're up a little bit. They're up about eight 383 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 3: million from the end of last season. 384 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,639 Speaker 4: So eight whole million. Wow. 385 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,400 Speaker 3: Well, I'm just giving you what is the reality here? 386 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 3: And they have acquired Brandon Low, they have acquired, of course, 387 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 3: signed a free agent Ryan O'Hearn. They would like to 388 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,640 Speaker 3: do more, yes, and I would expect that they're going 389 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 3: to do more. They know from when I understand that 390 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 3: they still are at least one batch short, and if 391 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:18,199 Speaker 3: they get another decent offensive player, I would anticipate that 392 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 3: people will see them as a potential wildcard contender. That's 393 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 3: pretty good. So there are still a lot of hitters 394 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,440 Speaker 3: available on the market. Obviously, they're limited a little bit 395 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,920 Speaker 3: in the positions that they can pursue. Third base would 396 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 3: certainly be one, but I do expect that they're going 397 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 3: to still be active and we'll see where this ends up. 398 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: Because if you remember at the start of the off season, 399 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 3: the reason I wrote about this today was going back 400 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: to the GM meetings, I was hearing that the Pirates 401 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 3: and Marlins were signaling to agents that they were going 402 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 3: to spend more this offseason than they have in the past. 403 00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,399 Speaker 3: The Pirates certainly have, and they've certainly tried to do 404 00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 3: even more than they have and have been rejected in 405 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: a few cases. The Marlins are are, according to Fangraft's numbers, 406 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:04,159 Speaker 3: one million below where they were at the end of 407 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: last year, so they really haven't spent other than on fairbanks. 408 00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 3: They've made some interesting moves. So whether that all was 409 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 3: just talk or whether there was something more there in 410 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 3: the Pirates case, it wasn't just talk. They made some 411 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 3: serious runs at some big players. But in the Marlin's case, 412 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 3: I'm not so sure. 413 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:25,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes sense again, it makes sense. All right, 414 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: Today's Hall of Fame day. Ken, you put out your balance. 415 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,080 Speaker 2: I agree with most of your picks on there, but 416 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 2: I have one question for you. And in your explanation, 417 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 2: you said you didn't vote for Manny Ramirez and Alex 418 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: Rodriguez because of the steroid ped thing, but you. 419 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 4: Voted for Andy Pettitt. 420 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: And one of my things is Andy Pettitt admitted to 421 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,880 Speaker 2: doing a ped He apologized. 422 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 4: Said I did it this and that. He said it 423 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 4: was for recovery. 424 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 2: But you know Nelson Cruz had a parasite, Fernando Tatis 425 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 2: had ringworm. You know Alvarado was trying to lose weight 426 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 2: in the offseason. I mean, you know, everyone has a thing. 427 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 2: So then why did you vote for Andy Pettitt but 428 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 2: you won't vote for Manny and Alex. 429 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 3: It's in the article the way I go about this 430 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,160 Speaker 3: and approach it. Now, I'm going to preface this by saying, 431 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 3: I know people have their own opinions on this, and 432 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 3: people are certainly entitled to their opinions. But my line, 433 00:21:18,560 --> 00:21:22,159 Speaker 3: the line I draw here is players who are confirmed 434 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 3: to have used or tested positive after the league established 435 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 3: firm rules and penalties. At the time Pettitt was doing it, 436 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 3: that wasn't the case. It's the same as with Bonds 437 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 3: and Clements. 438 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 4: Now. 439 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 3: I didn't vote for Bonds and Clemens initially, but I 440 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 3: eventually came around on them and others because once we 441 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 3: elected players who were strongly suspected to have used. And 442 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,159 Speaker 3: I'm not going to name names here, but we know 443 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 3: that there are players in the Hall now who have used. 444 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 3: At that point, I felt, well, you couldn't exclude Bonds 445 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,120 Speaker 3: and Clements. 446 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 4: Now. 447 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:59,119 Speaker 3: They Rod and Manny to me, they knew what was 448 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 3: going on at that point when they were confirmed to 449 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: have used, they knew what the rules were, and they 450 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:09,360 Speaker 3: still violated the rules. That is where I draw the line. 451 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 3: I don't know that I'm correct in that, and I 452 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 3: know people say, you guys are the morality police whatever. 453 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 3: We can be criticized for any number of things with 454 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 3: regards to our votes, and people are fair to criticize us, 455 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: or certainly permitted to criticize us. But that is my feeling. 456 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 3: The Hall is the whole vote is a very subjective 457 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 3: personal thing. You go by what you believe is right, 458 00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 3: and you go by what your instincts are. And the 459 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,840 Speaker 3: one thing I'll say about a Rod in particular is 460 00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 3: that at the time, it wasn't just that he used peds. 461 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 3: He sued the Union, he sued the Yankees. He was 462 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 3: conducting himself in a way that was kind of out there. 463 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 3: Now a fan might say, well, that doesn't matter. It 464 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 3: shouldn't matter with regard to his Hall of Fame case. Okay, 465 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 3: but I remember those times and they weren't really happy 466 00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 3: times for baseball with all that going on. 467 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 2: Agreed, and listen, I agree with what you said. It 468 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: was just an interesting I just wanted to hear your point. 469 00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,080 Speaker 2: I know what you wrote in the article, and I 470 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 2: agree with you. I've said that from the get go. 471 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: If you did it before two thousand and four or five, 472 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 2: when they started testing, and we don't know one hundred 473 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 2: percent what you did, even the anonymous you know, Mitchell 474 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 2: rapport where they said, how do we know that it 475 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 2: was really. 476 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 4: You know, I don't know that answer. 477 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 2: Okay, But after two thousand and five, when they started 478 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 2: putting penalties on it, I've said this, if you get caught, 479 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 2: then to me, you're out and you know what you're doing. 480 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 2: You're doing this knowing there is a rule on the 481 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 2: Major League Baseball books. 482 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:34,919 Speaker 4: And I agree with you. 483 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: But the Petitt was the one guy who had come 484 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:39,439 Speaker 2: out and said, hey, I did this, I'm sorry, and 485 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: I didn't know because you know all the other guys maguire, 486 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 2: So so all the names you hear, Paul Merrow, who 487 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: then tested positive later even though he denies it, right, like, 488 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: these are all guys that we were, ah, do we 489 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 2: really know? We don't, And none of them got in 490 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 2: Bonds Clemens. 491 00:23:52,720 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 3: No, and that's a fair question. 492 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 4: It was the one who said, yes. 493 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 3: It's a fair question that you ask. But certainly, in 494 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 3: this particular case with pettit, if that was the reason 495 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 3: why I would withhold a vote for him because he 496 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:07,960 Speaker 3: admitted it, we're essentially penalizing him for his honesty. Where 497 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 3: I voted for Bonds and Clemens, who never fully admitted it, 498 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 3: really admitted it at all, that would seem to be 499 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 3: an inconsistency that I would not be comfortable with. Now, 500 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 3: I will say this in closing a Hall of Fame ballot, 501 00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 3: any Writer's Hall of Fame ballot pretty much contains all 502 00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 3: kinds of inconsistencies. It's almost impossible to maintain consistent arguments, 503 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,199 Speaker 3: not just with the ped guys, but with the others 504 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 3: that we're considering as well. That's the nature of it. 505 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 3: The beauty of the process to me is that we 506 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,120 Speaker 3: all do have our own opinions, and in the baseball 507 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: writer's case, there are some four hundred of us. And 508 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,719 Speaker 3: my hope always is that with that number and the 509 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 3: variety of opinions you will have, that we get to 510 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 3: the right place. We often do, we don't always, And 511 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 3: I wrote in the column that I believe we blew 512 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 3: it on Mattingly and Dale mar and others because we 513 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 3: penalize them for things that they didn't accomplish instead of 514 00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 3: really looking at what they did accomplish, even though it 515 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: was over a shorter period of time. So our standards evolve, 516 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,800 Speaker 3: our voting evolves, our thought processes evolve. It's kind of 517 00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 3: an organic thing, and it's healthy to debate all this stuff. 518 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 3: It's really these are great conversations if you ask me. 519 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 3: I know, fans get all bothered and hot and lathered 520 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 3: about this stuff. To me, it's the beauty of baseball 521 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 3: man that we argue. We have fun talking about it 522 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:32,200 Speaker 3: and we disagree. 523 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: I agree, that's part of it. 524 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,399 Speaker 2: And the numbers are going to change too, because you know, 525 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 2: three hundred wins we're probably never going to see again. 526 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 2: You know, the home runs, the five hundred homers might 527 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 2: be might might not be the benchmark anymore because you know, 528 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 2: like we can get into we can get into an 529 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 2: argument with about Stanton if he gets to five hundred 530 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 2: homers as he all. You know, there's a lot of changed. Yeah, 531 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,439 Speaker 2: the numbers have changed. You know, three thousand hits might 532 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: be something we never see again, so that might be 533 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:56,639 Speaker 2: an auto. 534 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: In oppose, he's going to get in with like half 535 00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,600 Speaker 1: that right now. 536 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 4: Our guys how got in with nothing close to that. 537 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, things have changed on every front. There's a little 538 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,639 Speaker 1: more in some ways quality over quantity on some of 539 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: the guys too, because. 540 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 2: They I mean, I heard Crash say Malina, But Malina 541 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:13,800 Speaker 2: had a bunch of gold gloves and he had two 542 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,159 Speaker 2: thousand hits. So yeah, if for a catcher, two thousand 543 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 2: hits means something, yep, especially when you're one of them 544 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 2: that Ken didn't vote. 545 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: For you didn't get an honorary there's still now I'm 546 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,840 Speaker 1: going to say honorary vote. It's it's a hot it's 547 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 1: a hot topic in the sport. Yeah, if everyone, if 548 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,120 Speaker 1: everyone gave an honorary vote to Rick Porcello, guess what, 549 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,200 Speaker 1: you'd be a Hall of Famer. Just throwing that out there. 550 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: You know, if everyone said, oops, I gave the same 551 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,720 Speaker 1: honorary vote, you would accidentally be a Hall of Famer. 552 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 1: So it's not my favorite thing anyway, Ken, Thank you 553 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: very much, appreciate it. We'll check out the coverage later 554 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 1: to see who gets in, and we'll see you this weekend. 555 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 4: We're looking forward to it. 556 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 5: Yes, me too,