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Speaker 1: This is the Reformed Sports Project, a podcast about restoring

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Speaker 1: Reformed Sports Project podcast. Today, I'm speaking with the legendary

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Speaker 1: Roy and I discussed competitiveness, the three most competitive athletes

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Speaker 1: Coach Williams, thanks too much for what happening on sir. Well, No,

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Speaker 1: let's hope you feel that way after you get your

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Speaker 1: And I've heard it. I've heard it a number of

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Speaker 1: I asked, Coach Forbes, what do you look for kind

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Speaker 1: that our guys came out and made shots and they

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Speaker 1: thirty minute scrimmage. So it was it was a phenomenal

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Speaker 1: young kids, we'll listen to this and they're gonna hang

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Speaker 1: on everywhere. What would be, you know, in a minute

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Speaker 1: I'd say kids need to enjoy play and they need

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Speaker 1: can't be a final result every day. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: to be something. They ain't got to have the love

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Speaker 1: and parents love their competitiveness in wanting to be involved

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Speaker 1: it's getting harder and harder than everybody wants to. You know,

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Speaker 1: what you think you want for your fifteen year old

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Speaker 1: or your sixteen year old, there's another thousand, two thousand,

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Speaker 1: And I tell our guys all the time, whenever you

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Speaker 1: know that kind of thing, get away whatever. But understand,

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Speaker 1: if you take one day off, somebody else is not

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Speaker 1: the game. You can still get so much from playing

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Speaker 1: high school athletics, college athletics, summer league. You can get

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Speaker 1: so much. I think that helps you in the competitive

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Speaker 1: or or later on. Coach Boy Williams, one of the goats.

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Speaker 1: The goat. I cannot think enough of your time, sir.

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Speaker 1: This is an honor and a privilege, Hall of famer.

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Speaker 1: I just can't thank enough coaching. All right, you stay good,

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Speaker 1: take care of those six kids. Well, you better keep

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Speaker 1: a few job. Well. I appreciate you there coach, I

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Speaker 1: will you enjoy your time in Florida, my Manka. That's

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Speaker 1: Roy Williams, former head basketball coach for the North Carolina

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Speaker 1: tar Heels and the Kansas Jayhawks. Thanks for listening to

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Speaker 1: the Reform Sports Project podcast. I'm Nick Boncourt and our

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