Speaker 1: Look mare, oh, I see you my own line and
Speaker 1: look over there is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow, lost cult.
Speaker 2: Dang dong lost culturistas calling in person and tactile.
Speaker 1: We need to touch Let's get tactic.
Speaker 2: We're gonna need each other for this one. You think, bitch,
Speaker 2: there's a pink elephant in the room.
Speaker 1: There's a pink barb elephant in the room. And in
Speaker 1: putting together the doc for the year of our cultural
Speaker 1: excavation we're about to do, I thought to myself, this
Speaker 1: was a rough one. This was a rough year in
Speaker 1: many ways, not in the obvious ones beyond and but
Speaker 1: we'll get into that. I'm getting ahead of myself. But
Speaker 1: you know what, I have to really shout out a
Speaker 1: piece of culture that does not have anything to do
Speaker 1: with anything we're gonna talk. Let's start on the positive note.
Speaker 1: Let's start on the positive note. I'm about to say
Speaker 1: some lyrics. Spit bars right now, bring the lights up,
Speaker 1: bust the doors down, dust yourself off, shake it up,
Speaker 1: shake it up. Does that mean anything to you, Selena Gome?
Speaker 2: It does? And it's literally so funny that you say that,
Speaker 2: what because can I tell you this is a song
Speaker 2: of yesteryear. But can I tell you I'm still listening
Speaker 2: to one song, and one song it is Single Soon.
Speaker 2: I play it non stop, Bowen Yang.
Speaker 1: What is the connection you feel to that song? The melody,
Speaker 1: the themes.
Speaker 2: When I am I'm going to break out in tears.
Speaker 2: When I'm listening to single Soon by Selena Gomez, I
Speaker 2: feel like I am untouchable. I feel like I'm that girl.
Speaker 2: You can't tell me there's a more empowering series of
Speaker 2: sounds than the three minutes plus I don't even know
Speaker 2: if it's three minutes.
Speaker 1: That's what I love about it, too, is a little
Speaker 1: snack of.
Speaker 2: A tune, A little snack of a tune. Should I
Speaker 2: do it on the phone? Should I leave a little
Speaker 2: note in the pocket of his coat? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Single Soon? It's a contender for me for a Record
Speaker 1: of the Year. But just Ohen just had to literally collapse.
Speaker 1: This is the first real conversation we're having about the culture.
Speaker 2: This is a huge contender for Record of the year
Speaker 2: Single Soon.
Speaker 1: Are we going to get a live performance at the
Speaker 1: ceremony this year? Don't you dare dangle that in front
Speaker 1: of me? And this is the million dollar question, are
Speaker 1: you going to let someone else perform that, or do
Speaker 1: you need to sing through?
Speaker 2: Do you need to be the best?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: My god, is this the year where we do individual numbers?
Speaker 1: I don't know if I have it in me bowen, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: we're not no have it in you, girl, girl, I'm
Speaker 1: not talking about cock ah. Oh god, it's been a while, girl,
Speaker 1: it's been a whow. Not that wow. That's a real
Speaker 1: cultural exclamation. I mean, well, we'll get to it. I
Speaker 1: bet we will sometime. Okay, we said it's a pink
Speaker 1: elephant in the room. Gag City is ruins. Gag City
Speaker 1: never was. Let's get that straight. Why don't you go first,
Speaker 1: take the floor. We are living through the life cycle
Speaker 1: of maybe the most effective distrack ever. Let's say that
Speaker 1: one line, no Name mention is sending these girls spinning out, frenzied, frenzied,
Speaker 1: and it takes someone like Megan the Stallion, who is
Speaker 1: the total package, who has been poked and prodded for
Speaker 1: years now by these people.
Speaker 2: And by these people, I just.
Speaker 1: Mean the general biomass of characters and entities that have
Speaker 1: made such disgusting light of this really terrible thing that
Speaker 1: happened to her, for which she was vindicated in a
Speaker 1: court of law. This saga that she has openly said,
Speaker 1: like I wish that bullet had killed me, Like this
Speaker 1: is a fucking trauma that this woman has to replay
Speaker 1: in her mind. Let's just say daily, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: the din the noise around this incident has been in
Speaker 1: her head for years. At this point, the biggest names
Speaker 1: in music have like mocked her for it. Are we
Speaker 1: not surprised that she would like unleash her fucking fury
Speaker 1: on these tracks on Cobra and now on Hiss, which is,
Speaker 1: let's just say, an impactful song. I'm saying it's the
Speaker 1: it's the most effective distract of all time.
Speaker 2: Well, she barely had to lift a finger to get
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess you could call it a
Speaker 2: response from Nikki, But then I guess it would have
Speaker 2: to be of quality to even call it a response.
Speaker 2: But continue, Let's just start there.
Speaker 1: I mean, the response, if we're gonna talk about it, is,
Speaker 1: and we are obviously the response is literally like put
Speaker 1: the phone in the corner under a desk while I
Speaker 1: fucking I'm a sponge Bob meme and I'm rocking back
Speaker 1: and forth saying like these people are fucking ungrateful. It's
Speaker 1: basically what we can conclude is that fame at a
Speaker 1: certain level is a disease, and it's brain rot and
Speaker 1: brain damage on the same level as like fucking cte. Okay,
Speaker 1: like this has carved out, cratered out a full lobe
Speaker 1: of this person's brain. And it's really sad to see,
Speaker 1: and just for our accountability, because a lot of reader's
Speaker 1: keyse Publicist finalists have rightfully wondered what our attitude on
Speaker 1: Nicki is, confused by it, a little surprised, disappointed, totally fair.
Speaker 1: I think we have been through the years very sentimentally
Speaker 1: attached to Nicki in this way that a lot of
Speaker 1: people might be, but a lot of people aren't. And
Speaker 1: that's completely fair as well. I think we have such
Speaker 1: an emotional connection to Nicki, you and I that it
Speaker 1: needed something like this for us to finally come out.
Speaker 1: I mean we were like over here being like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, Pink Freddy too last time I saw you.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it.
Speaker 1: I haven't listened to that song since I really haven't
Speaker 1: given the album any spin, since.
Speaker 2: I don't even care for that album that much. That's
Speaker 2: the ironic part of all this, yeah, is that like
Speaker 2: her quality has been nothing. It's in a ghost of
Speaker 2: who she was in her prime. And I don't even
Speaker 2: like saying that about women, but like, it's been years
Speaker 2: since she actually was worthy of the zeitgeist, and she
Speaker 2: needs things like this in order to attain visibility because
Speaker 2: the quality is not there. I understand that there's people
Speaker 2: that are bopping to some of the songs.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: I see some of you gays with your FTCU on
Speaker 2: your Instagram story. Now couldn't be me, But like, I
Speaker 2: do understand that some of you are still clinging to that.
Speaker 2: But can I just say, outside of the baseless, derogatory, offensive,
Speaker 2: desperate content of what I guess she thinks she's achieved
Speaker 2: here lyrically in Bigfoot, it is so fucking sad that
Speaker 2: this is what Nicki Minaj has become.
Speaker 1: Because I will still hold.
Speaker 2: And I do think two things can be true That she,
Speaker 2: in her biggest, most effective day, was the most consequential, influential,
Speaker 2: important female MC maybe ever. And I believe that what
Speaker 2: she represented to so many people and the crossover that
Speaker 2: she was able to achieve and the level that she
Speaker 2: was able to get to is really important.
Speaker 1: Those days are over.
Speaker 2: There is something wrong with her, and you will not
Speaker 2: hear me talk about her and any of her new
Speaker 2: work on this podcast again. It is a full announcement
Speaker 2: from me because she is a bad, toxic person and
Speaker 2: the negativity that emanates from her day in and day out,
Speaker 2: minute in and minute out, second in and second out,
Speaker 2: on Instagram, on Twitter, on TikTok, on whatever, on whatever
Speaker 2: the Queen Radio is. I don't even know if it
Speaker 2: still exists. I don't pay attention that much. I enjoyed
Speaker 2: her at a point as an artist period, and I
Speaker 2: just want to say, what's really pathetic is a couple things.
Speaker 2: One that she's out here on like social media bragging
Speaker 2: and chuckling it up about how she had this huge
Speaker 2: debut of the song. I guess it's called Bigfoot. It
Speaker 2: is called Bigfoot. I know what it's called. I'm not
Speaker 2: going to pretend I don't know what it's called. But
Speaker 2: she's out here being like, Wow, biggest day ever for
Speaker 2: a female rapper.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something.
Speaker 2: If I'm responsible for a car wreck on the freeway
Speaker 2: that kills dozens of people and it's the worst traffic
Speaker 2: accident in the world, and I'm responsible for it. I'm
Speaker 2: not getting on the internet to be like boo yah,
Speaker 2: I just created the biggest fucking traffic accident of all time.
Speaker 2: I'm the best person on the road. You didn't do
Speaker 2: anything here. You didn't create a hit song, you didn't
Speaker 2: create a quality song.
Speaker 1: You flopped. You're a clown.
Speaker 2: You look terrible, and the quality is not there in
Speaker 2: any regard and the fact that you are flexing about
Speaker 2: at the end of the song with this threat about
Speaker 2: and there's more where this came from. If you don't
Speaker 2: apologize to me, which Megan has nothing to apologize to
Speaker 2: you for, because all she did was state of fact,
Speaker 2: which is that you are married to a sex offender.
Speaker 2: The fact that you have five more dis tracks like
Speaker 2: what Locked and Loaded. If it's at this level, you
Speaker 2: can keep your distracks. Was the lead disc track?
Speaker 1: You can keep it. It can stay in the vault.
Speaker 2: She has something seriously wrong with her. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's drugs. I don't know if it's the actual
Speaker 2: content and quality of her character. But I'm done. You
Speaker 2: can stop getting in my dms about it. You now
Speaker 2: know how I feel, And I also want to apologize
Speaker 2: to everyone who felt triggered, offended, or truly hurt by
Speaker 2: the fact that it felt like I was ignoring or
Speaker 2: Bowen was ignoring the fact that she has been an
Speaker 2: apologist and defender of people who have been convicted of
Speaker 2: sex crimes. And I want to make very clear, I
Speaker 2: did not know about her brother. I did not know
Speaker 2: that she had written a letter of a.
Speaker 1: Confect based basically did what Ashton and Miila did.
Speaker 2: With Sure, like with Masterson, like trying to appeal to
Speaker 2: a judge so that the sentence will be you know,
Speaker 2: that is her family.
Speaker 1: I didn't know this.
Speaker 2: I did not know the ins and outs of what
Speaker 2: her husband had done.
Speaker 1: You can believe that or not. I don't really care.
Speaker 2: What I'm telling you is I apologize for my role
Speaker 2: in propping up someone harmful because I think what you
Speaker 2: said is true. I allowed the fact that we have
Speaker 2: a connection to her. She is a central tenet of
Speaker 2: how we became friends, whether that is positive or negative.
Speaker 2: And I deeply truly enjoy her music from back in
Speaker 2: the day. I think she created some incredible songs. I
Speaker 2: think she's amazingly talented. It no longer matters to me
Speaker 2: at all. It is inconsequential to me, just like I
Speaker 2: feel she is inconsequential in the macro sense at this point, Megan,
Speaker 2: you have all of our support. Everything I've ever heard
Speaker 2: about you is that you are a star in front
Speaker 2: of behind the camera, in front of behind the mic.
Speaker 2: Everywhere I hear you show up on time, work your
Speaker 2: ass off, no matter where you are. I've heard the
Speaker 2: opposite about you, Nicki, and you know what, not that
Speaker 2: you're even fucking listening to this, but our listeners are.
Speaker 2: And I want you to know it's really important to
Speaker 2: me and I know to you that you all know
Speaker 2: where we stand.
Speaker 1: And this is to put it mildly, flop behavior mildly.
Speaker 1: The sort of manipulative irony here is that Nicky has
Speaker 1: been throughout her career, starting with the little Kim Beef
Speaker 1: on this thing of like I support other female rappers wrong,
Speaker 1: and I think she can even she probably even feels
Speaker 1: somewhat betrayed by Meg after they collaborated, after NICKI felt
Speaker 1: like she really elevated her in whatever way. But it's
Speaker 1: like there is this pattern of an antagonism from Nicki
Speaker 1: towards a large swath of these new girls, like I
Speaker 1: feel like Ice Spice is the current sort of like
Speaker 1: seat holder of that protege thing, and like it's just
Speaker 1: to Nikki, this is a completely disposable position, and it's
Speaker 1: really sad. It only feeds into this narrative that Nicki
Speaker 1: has created since day one, that she has been misunderstood
Speaker 1: mistrusted by other women. It's all very like she feels
Speaker 1: like she's an all about Eve. I don't know. I'm
Speaker 1: sure she doesn't think that, but I it's this really
Speaker 1: weird element to it where I'm like, okay, well, the
Speaker 1: only girls that are still caping for you are like
Speaker 1: what Bea like I don't know, like and Ice Like
Speaker 1: I really at this point, it's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if Doe just still really fucks with her. I don't
Speaker 1: know if like it's certainly not mag it's certainly not
Speaker 1: fucking party Cardy.
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't like it with Little Kim, I
Speaker 2: didn't like it with Mariah Carey. I didn't like it
Speaker 2: with Carti, and I don't like it now. It is
Speaker 2: always ugly and there's a common denominator And I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: but who wants this with Nicki? Minaj, Megan thee Stallion
Speaker 2: didn't need this with Nicki Minaj. It's not like she's
Speaker 2: like her Dora is being banged on, like people asking
Speaker 2: for feuds with her. Megan the Stallion doesn't fucking need this.
Speaker 1: Her you know, response to the response is perfect, keep
Speaker 1: doing your thing. Yeah, I mean, you said it all.
Speaker 1: I apologize for my nostalgic goggles as well for the
Speaker 1: ways that I have also made. It seem like we're
Speaker 1: ignoring all of these really dark contours of Nicky's other
Speaker 1: pattern of like not even like ignoring the proven out
Speaker 1: sex cribed by the men that she's associated with. We're
Speaker 1: talking about her brother, her husband, Takati six ' nine.
Speaker 1: It feels like that is a pretty cavalier sort of
Speaker 1: like fuck you to the way that young women are
Speaker 1: assailed by men. And it's really fucking crazy. It's really
Speaker 1: fucking crazy that, like there was a literal weapon involved
Speaker 1: in one of these situations and she's still out here
Speaker 1: being like, you guys are insane, you guys are fools. Haha, ha,
Speaker 1: I'm right. It's this like there is something extremely distorted
Speaker 1: and disordered about that. That's it.
Speaker 2: It's just you know what it is. It's like very
Speaker 2: reminiscent of Kanye where it just feels like completely out
Speaker 2: of control and baseless, and that makes me feel like
Speaker 2: there might be something really wrong here. And I'm not
Speaker 2: here to speculate, but but it's starting to fall into
Speaker 2: place where she needs help. She needs help, yeah, like
Speaker 2: she needs to stop everything she's doing and understand that
Speaker 2: these streams do not equate to support and success. Like
Speaker 2: I can't even tell you how many of those streams
Speaker 2: were probably people being like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: Let me engage in it so that I am aware
Speaker 2: of what's happening. Mark my words. That song will fall
Speaker 2: off a cliff, Well, it will fall off a cliff.
Speaker 1: I read the lyrics the only I didn't really want
Speaker 1: to contribute memes to it, but I mean, the funniest
Speaker 1: thing is Baby Love famed queen in Brooklyn who hs
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Speaker 3: Nik the barbie in my seat. So my toes are
Speaker 3: white and I haven't ankly I have too.
Speaker 2: This is this is the quality of Nikki's.
Speaker 1: Blue foot two foot.
Speaker 3: If my name was Megan, I probably have one foot,
Speaker 3: we're going feet for feet, We're.
Speaker 1: Going foot.
Speaker 3: Foot and let's not forget it's feet for feet and
Speaker 3: it's foot for foot, and we're feet for feet and
Speaker 3: it's foot for foot. You only got shot on your
Speaker 3: one bad leg and now you only have one foot,
Speaker 3: but I have two feet.
Speaker 1: And then it's like I want to laugh. I'm laughing
Speaker 1: because it is like the distillation of like how Nikki,
Speaker 1: how Nikki operates in the current landscape of like internet
Speaker 1: and music and like this feud where like it is
Speaker 1: so fucking vile that she is going after keeps going
Speaker 1: after Meg this way, and like the kicker is that,
Speaker 1: like the verses are like that, that's it.
Speaker 2: That's it. I'm really interested to see who turns up
Speaker 2: at the shows, you know what I mean, Like.
Speaker 1: Be honest, honesty, zone, sure, I was never planning on
Speaker 1: buying for that.
Speaker 2: No, first of all, for what, like for what songs,
Speaker 2: like for what like five old songs that maybe she
Speaker 2: would have done maybe not like I can listen to
Speaker 2: Anaconda like if I want to on Spotify, Like and
Speaker 2: also it's not like she's some incredible live performer.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but she's a joke. It's done. There is
Speaker 1: maybe a tone here of us being like, oh, we
Speaker 1: never liked her anyway. No, that's not what it is.
Speaker 2: It's not what it is.
Speaker 1: And I bring up the fact that we were never
Speaker 1: going to buy tickets to the tour anyway, just as
Speaker 1: a sort of signal internally between ourselves, between you and I,
Speaker 1: within ourselves, that was just like, I think the enthusiasm
Speaker 1: has been dead for a long time.
Speaker 2: I would be so embarrassed to go to that show,
Speaker 2: Like I wouldn't post from it.
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's like, And the reason we bring it up is
Speaker 2: because it was floated amongst our friend group to go yeah,
Speaker 2: and then we were like, oh maybe yeah, and then
Speaker 2: like there was literally no impetus to move forward and
Speaker 2: actually go because ultimately, like we don't like her anymore.
Speaker 1: And I get it, Like I think we were.
Speaker 2: Excited about the Pink Friday too of it all because
Speaker 2: it literally called back to Pink Friday. And to be
Speaker 2: honest with you, I have been rooting for her to
Speaker 2: turn a page. I have been rooting for her to
Speaker 2: leave this man. I have been rooting for her to
Speaker 2: like leave her old ways behind, to return to like
Speaker 2: what she was and what she meant, and you know,
Speaker 2: the person that I thought was there who maybe wasn't
Speaker 2: ever And sometimes people reveal that, and sometimes it takes
Speaker 2: people a little bit longer to say, you know what,
Speaker 2: I'm actually out take this for what it is. This
Speaker 2: is what it is for me. I really don't feel
Speaker 2: the need to talk about her anymore. Like she's a
Speaker 2: toxic person and it's a toxic situation. And what we
Speaker 2: can say is Megan the Stallion. You're obviously the few,
Speaker 2: you are the present and the future. Forget about anyone
Speaker 2: coming up, like there's room for everybody. But like, Megan
Speaker 2: is Megan the Stallion. She is that girl, and you
Speaker 2: don't even need to look any further than what she
Speaker 2: produces and what she creates, which is what matters. And ultimately,
Speaker 2: one person is flying high and seems unbothered, and one
Speaker 2: person seems completely bothered, exclusively bothered.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is the frequency at which she operates always. Now,
Speaker 1: like I'm sorry, this might sound a little frivolous. I
Speaker 1: couldn't make it through her seventy three questions. I didn't
Speaker 1: even because because there's just this vacancy. But also oxymeeronically
Speaker 1: this like, yeah, really strained darkness that you can.
Speaker 2: Just see and feel it.
Speaker 1: It's not even that, it's that she is like something broke,
Speaker 1: something broke, and I think I think it happened since
Speaker 1: she like was prominent. I think something happened to her,
Speaker 1: something changed, something rearranged. There's something wrong for sure. And yeah,
Speaker 1: and we're obviously not medical professionals, but I'm watching the
Speaker 1: seventeen questions being like, there is something really weird here
Speaker 1: and I'm not going to finish that.
Speaker 2: She was horrible on Watch What Happens Live, too, terrible,
Speaker 2: like literally wouldn't swing the bat at any of the
Speaker 2: dumb fucking questions that got asked on that show. And
Speaker 2: also it's like the way that she just operates on
Speaker 2: her own schedule in terms of like this is a
Speaker 2: live television show.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know, I'm totally out. I think
Speaker 1: her last totally out, her last moment of like oh Nikki,
Speaker 1: yay for me was her coming into the Potomac reunion.
Speaker 1: That was the last time I was like somewhat excited
Speaker 1: to see her.
Speaker 2: But even that, like when she was on Watch It
Speaker 2: Happens Live and again, like we're almost done. But like
Speaker 2: when she was being asked questions by him about Potomac,
Speaker 2: she wasn't even on the right side of that. She
Speaker 2: like made a face and like winced that Candas's name.
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's not it. That's not where, that's not.
Speaker 1: Where, that's not where the good right side of history is. People.
Speaker 1: It's been long established that it's like, oh, you gotta
Speaker 1: side with Canvas on this one. I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: think Candas is one hundred percent no, no, no, but
Speaker 1: but I don't think her argument against Robin Dixon and
Speaker 1: Wan Dixon makes one hundred percent sense. But I think
Speaker 1: she's also realizing that and calming down, And I think
Speaker 1: she genuinely is going to come to the reunion with
Speaker 1: like because I have kept up with that. Actually, I
Speaker 1: think she is going to come to the reunion wanting
Speaker 1: to make amends. Whether or not other people on that
Speaker 1: cast want to do that, I think will be there
Speaker 1: their death certificate on that show. I think that there
Speaker 1: needs to be a change, and I think everyone knows
Speaker 1: there needs to be a change, And I think how
Speaker 1: people come to the reunion and how people come to
Speaker 1: play in terms of like the show going forward will
Speaker 1: dictate a lot about who's there next year. But anyway,
Speaker 1: Gag City in Ruins population one. I think it's still
Speaker 1: unfortunately populated, but it's with people. Like some of the
Speaker 1: stands on TikTok are so disappointed. The barbs are like,
Speaker 1: the barbs are dejected. Oh it's not a good vibe.
Speaker 1: And I feel for them, I really do. But it's
Speaker 1: been the surface, not even beneath the surface. Yeah, for years.
Speaker 2: Can I say there has been theme park news today?
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Speaker 2: But this podcast broke all the news that Epic Universe
Speaker 2: has all these lands. Come with me here, Come with me,
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Speaker 2: has four lands, well five Celestial Park, which will include
Speaker 2: the dueling racing launched coaster Starfall Racers.
Speaker 1: Was that attached to a franchise?
Speaker 2: No, honey, I love ip ye and let me pitch
Speaker 2: something right now, Matt Rogers and bow and Yang in
Speaker 2: Starfall Racers the movie Hold my hand right now. You
Speaker 2: play one Starfall Racer and I play the other.
Speaker 1: Mind you.
Speaker 2: I don't know what this is, but I know there's two,
Speaker 2: and I know that I'm pointing to you and I
Speaker 2: there's two. We need a theme park, ip, we need it. Oh,
Speaker 2: don't you worry.
Speaker 1: We will work so hard.
Speaker 2: Do you understand? Like Bowen and I, we just want
Speaker 2: to be in a pre show. Oh, and we would
Speaker 2: be so good.
Speaker 1: I would work for free.
Speaker 2: I would work for free, and I would work for
Speaker 2: in And can I say something? We would be amazing.
Speaker 2: We are so talented. We are so talented, Like we.
Speaker 1: Are both so good.
Speaker 2: Come on, bitch, we would be so good.
Speaker 1: We're so gifted.
Speaker 2: We're gifted. We're periodic. I'm sorry, I'm not. It's the
Speaker 2: year of ambition and verve. This is the year of
Speaker 2: ambition in verb.
Speaker 1: That's why you put what's that song? Single soon? That's
Speaker 1: why you're spinning single soon? Is because you feel invincible.
Speaker 2: I'm single now. Oh, can I tell you something? It's
Speaker 2: a Ruler culture number four single soon. I'm a single
Speaker 2: now and I'm acting like it out in the streets.
Speaker 2: I'm at Barries five times a week, and are you
Speaker 2: are you picking up trade at Berrie's.
Speaker 1: I'm not picking up trade at Barries because can I
Speaker 1: tell you something, I'm very much deeply in the Kadie
Speaker 1: population when I am at Barries. What does that mean?
Speaker 2: I feel as though it's eighty percent Kadi's twenty percent
Speaker 2: gay guys. I'm gonna say, ur named Kyle Kyle, and
Speaker 2: can I say the Kyles? I see you and I
Speaker 2: know you're out there part of the fandom. There are
Speaker 2: Kyles that listen to this podcast. There are Kyles.
Speaker 1: I had a Kyle come up to me New Year's
Speaker 1: Day at Wrecked and this Kyle was the Kyle.
Speaker 2: Of all Kyle.
Speaker 1: Oh you know who Kyle is.
Speaker 2: Well, he was like Alpha Kyle. He was like six good,
Speaker 2: the six foot six guy, like whatever, all muscle. I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, Kyle squared.
Speaker 1: He was Kyle squared and he was very sweet and
Speaker 1: then all he wanted to do was talk to me
Speaker 1: about Anatomy of a Fall. I was like, you're a Kyle,
Speaker 1: Go off, Kyle. He was like, have you seen any
Speaker 1: like Awards movies yet? I was like yeah, like a few,
Speaker 1: like he was very That is a Kyle.
Speaker 2: Talking about anatomy of a fall at wrecked? Is you coded? Well?
Speaker 1: I'm saying that if you see a tall muscle gay,
Speaker 1: don't write them off as a circuit queen. They might
Speaker 1: like they might just they might love the work of
Speaker 1: Just and Sandra Hueler. They might just be sweet guys
Speaker 1: who like film. Some of these people are like wearing
Speaker 1: the sheep's clothing of for some reason. The sheep are
Speaker 1: muscle circuit guys. But they're wolves and the wolves are
Speaker 1: I'm following the film experience dot Net prediction index.
Speaker 2: Yeah, can I tell you something? Yes, I found this out.
Speaker 2: Me and Sandra Huler have the same agent. Shout out
Speaker 2: Houston Costa who not for nothing, Kyle.
Speaker 1: Oh that's lovely, Thank you Houston. Shout out.
Speaker 2: Shout out, I mean hand some effective agent also represents
Speaker 2: Grete Lee.
Speaker 1: That is quite the roster. Matt Rogers. Hi, I'm Houston.
Speaker 1: I represent Matt Rogers and this is just.
Speaker 2: A shout out to Houston. I'm ready to audition whenever.
Speaker 1: Girl. Houston't get to work, No, he wore I know,
Speaker 1: I am kidding.
Speaker 2: He works constantly. He's one of the hardest workers. I'm
Speaker 2: proud of him.
Speaker 1: Had a good team.
Speaker 2: We almost have the same team, but we have we have,
Speaker 2: but we have some divergences.
Speaker 1: We have slight I would not even say overlap. We
Speaker 1: have tangential points that the circles are touching but not
Speaker 1: fully occupying the same area.
Speaker 2: This is a peak behind the curtain. We have the
Speaker 2: same manager, we have several of the same agents, and
Speaker 2: it ends there.
Speaker 1: That's really it. Several is even generous, I would say
Speaker 1: a couple. Yeah, and that's.
Speaker 2: Sort of our team. That's a peak behind the curtain.
Speaker 2: Get to know the family.
Speaker 1: Houston well, the legend Olivia. She has been part of
Speaker 1: our life for many years. She is an important force.
Speaker 1: You know what's funny.
Speaker 2: Yes, the year that we're going to culturally excavate, that
Speaker 2: was I think the year we both started working with
Speaker 2: a lot.
Speaker 1: That's not that's not my year. But I was twenty
Speaker 1: year were you twenty eighteen? I was twenty eighteen. I
Speaker 1: was the next year. Should we get into the year
Speaker 1: or do you have more to talk about? Well, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to say about Epic UNI.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, of course, Okay, So there's I just wanted
Speaker 2: to say about Epic universe lands the story of my life.
Speaker 2: There's never been a celestial Celestial Park is basically, so
Speaker 2: you gotta go online and really check out what this
Speaker 2: is going to look like, because it's going to be stunning.
Speaker 1: So can we pause and talk about the word celestial
Speaker 1: one of the most go on. I'm just gonna say
Speaker 1: when I don't mean to interrupt your No, this is
Speaker 1: important that you do this. Celestial is one of the
Speaker 1: most beautiful evocative words in the English language.
Speaker 2: I think they knew that when they picked it for
Speaker 2: the gardens Celestial.
Speaker 1: The first time I heard celestial was in Digimon Wow.
Speaker 1: Anja woman has an attack called I think celestial arrows
Speaker 1: or something, and I thought and something. I felt the
Speaker 1: free song. Even as a young child, I said, what
Speaker 1: is that?
Speaker 2: What was that? Okay, James, I said, Celestial? The name
Speaker 2: Celesti is very important.
Speaker 1: In my life.
Speaker 2: Oh the legend Celestium of time of time. Oh the
Speaker 2: title of EPP Celestial Celestial colon the Legend of Time.
Speaker 2: That's the title of app. Talk about Celestial Park and
Speaker 2: the other parks.
Speaker 1: There is a.
Speaker 2: Carousel called Constellation Carousel, which is themed to the constellations.
Speaker 2: It will not move in a circle. It will move
Speaker 2: in a figure eight. And what do you ride? You
Speaker 2: ride constellations, Darling.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that even looks like, but stay
Speaker 1: tuned off.
Speaker 2: And it will be many restaurants and themed attractions within
Speaker 2: Celestial Gardens, because epic Universe is supposed to conjure up
Speaker 2: the universe.
Speaker 1: And what more evocative thing than the stars than space?
Speaker 2: Can I say it all goes back to space? It
Speaker 2: truly does. And you know that we also often set
Speaker 2: things that we do in space. You'll remember the third
Speaker 2: act of Night Soap.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I have an idea this week for something.
Speaker 1: You have to go to space. You have to bring
Speaker 1: I out of space. I want to bring iouta space.
Speaker 1: Oh she belongs there? Can we say? Io is hosting
Speaker 1: Saturday Night Live?
Speaker 2: That is the first like friend of ours that is
Speaker 2: gonna go host Saturday Night Live. I'm gonna go. And
Speaker 2: when I heard the musical guys was j Lo? I said,
Speaker 2: Io and j Lo? That's yes, so powerful, I said,
Speaker 2: Io and j Loo, yes so So the Celestial Gardens
Speaker 2: will be the center of it will be the Grand
Speaker 2: Helios Hotel, which is which correct, you know exactly where
Speaker 2: this is going so it's the elements.
Speaker 1: It is water, it is wind, it is the sun.
Speaker 1: And don't forget Earth, Mama, I didn't.
Speaker 2: I didn't. Okay, it seems like you did. You have
Speaker 2: to welcome on Earth's get through the park all you
Speaker 2: said three things. Well, just don't I feel like we've
Speaker 2: been on the same page. Girl.
Speaker 1: I'm getting you back in the book Violent Girl Island Girl.
Speaker 1: This morning. I to hey, Violent, Violent, Violent.
Speaker 2: You have to see pictures of those hotel. It's gonna
Speaker 2: line the back of the park. It's like the monument. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the Four Lands for the children. We have had to
Speaker 2: train your Dragon the Isle of Burke.
Speaker 1: They're shooting a live action how to Train Your Dragon.
Speaker 1: You're kidding me, Well, it can't come into better time.
Speaker 1: My good sister Bronwyn James in Wicked is now currently
Speaker 1: in Scotland shooting to how to Train your fucking kidding me.
Speaker 1: She's having a blash, she's learning archery.
Speaker 2: She's gonna be in Wicked and how to Train Your
Speaker 2: Dragon is the universal ip, the universal ip. She's a empress,
Speaker 2: she's she's she's she's Leeds legend.
Speaker 1: Look out for Bronwyn James.
Speaker 2: Y'all is that announced that she's going to be in
Speaker 2: live action How to Train Yes, yes it has so
Speaker 2: that's one length and it will have several attractions, one
Speaker 2: including a roller coaster that will be okay for kids. Yes,
Speaker 2: that will be a live show called Untrainable, which is
Speaker 2: from another overseas Universal Park. It's escaping me right now,
Speaker 2: but it will be stunning.
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: There will be a great hall restaurant if you've seen
Speaker 2: the How to Train Your Dragon films, among other things,
Speaker 2: a bunch of flat rides. Let's move over and listen.
Speaker 2: Talk about problematic, but this is just is what it is.
Speaker 2: Ga City there will be There will be Gag City.
Speaker 1: Can you fucking imagine?
Speaker 2: Can you imagine going like they spend millions and millions
Speaker 2: billions of dollars on Gag City Universal and then this happens.
Speaker 2: So there's a Harry Potter section. It will Ministry of
Speaker 2: Ministry of Magic. So this what I'm hearing is called
Speaker 2: Harry Potter and the Battle of the Ministry of Magic.
Speaker 2: And the main villain is Dolores Umbridge, which is kind
Speaker 2: of cunned.
Speaker 1: If Amelda she looked, but Amelda getting a amel doesn't
Speaker 1: give a shit about pre ride experiences. We don't know
Speaker 1: that yet. I think she does. I think Amelda, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm whatever about Amelda. Can I tell you something?
Speaker 2: You never forget Glenn Close and the Audians of the
Speaker 2: Galaxy Cosmic Rienwind pre show mate.
Speaker 1: I think Glenn Close understands the cultural value and importance
Speaker 1: of a pre show. She plays Imani ray oh Emani.
Speaker 1: What was better than that?
Speaker 2: You know that when she put the wig on, she said,
Speaker 2: she said, I'm Amani, I'm mild. She's been doing work
Speaker 2: to make sure she's serving Imani.
Speaker 1: And we love Glenn. The eye line was fucked. She
Speaker 1: was reading the prophets, reading the prompter left to right
Speaker 1: and to and fro.
Speaker 2: But that's okay. She's one of our great actors, one
Speaker 2: of our greats. She couldn't be off book because none
Speaker 2: of the words make any sense in the pre show,
Speaker 2: so it would be hard for gotten to be off book.
Speaker 2: This is the thing, Matt and I will be off book.
Speaker 2: Don't even question whether or not we get Okay, am
Speaker 2: I about to drag someone.
Speaker 1: There's a certain pre show I drag.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: No, there's a certain pre show in Disney.
Speaker 2: Where every single time I'm there, I say this should
Speaker 2: be bowing you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: Are you talking about the guy in Avatar by passage?
Speaker 1: That's very nice of you. I think that should be you.
Speaker 1: That's so nice. That's the like.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but why isn't that bowen Yang? You can
Speaker 2: find it online. I'm sure like every second of it
Speaker 2: should be bowen Yang and it's not. Every second of
Speaker 2: it is someone else. But okay, okay, so there is
Speaker 2: I'm getting to the most exciting one last for me,
Speaker 2: which will surprise them. Then there's Super Nintendo World, which,
Speaker 2: if you've been to Universal Studios Hollywood, you know the
Speaker 2: Mario Kart ride em hm for me. But it's also
Speaker 2: gonna have a Yoshi Omni mover and a Donkey Kong
Speaker 2: Country with a Donkey Kong coaster called Minecart Madness where
Speaker 2: the car will jump the tracks.
Speaker 1: Think this is the fourth time you've mentioned it on
Speaker 1: this podcast.
Speaker 2: Moving on, Then there's The Dark Universe, Yes, which which
Speaker 2: is the Universal Monsters and the main ride takes place
Speaker 2: in Frankenstein's Castle and stars Victoria Frankenstein. But is this
Speaker 2: of the Diablo Cody movie. No, that's Lisa frankl The last. Sorry,
Speaker 2: I can keep up with this Stan family. I said,
Speaker 2: who's gonna play Victoria? Naomi Watts. No, I hope not.
Speaker 2: I think not because no, not because I don't love Ney,
Speaker 2: because I want I want better things for Nee. I'm
Speaker 2: excited for few Capodium Swans. You need to make up
Speaker 2: your mind better things for Nee. We're saying this is
Speaker 2: the pinnacle of show business.
Speaker 1: You know what You're right, Naomi. I hope that you booked.
Speaker 2: I hope that you booked, just like I'm excited that
Speaker 2: you bood Coyote Coyote Capodi versus Swans. Can I tell
Speaker 2: you I love Truman Capodi in Cold Blood one of
Speaker 2: my favorite books. I he was the original mess. He
Speaker 2: was the original mess. It's actually real coachure number one hundred.
Speaker 2: Truman was the original mess. And these Swans. Diane Lane
Speaker 2: to me, Molly, Molly Roland, Callista, Callista playing Lee Radzeville,
Speaker 2: Carol found Born, that's my mother in law, she said,
Speaker 2: that's my mother in law, Carol.
Speaker 1: Another woman whose brain has been rotted by fame. Anyway,
Speaker 1: do we think that?
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, album all the housewives, on some level, there's
Speaker 2: at least a dime sized marble sized hole in every
Speaker 2: Housewives brain Can I say I wear some in mind?
Speaker 2: I wouldn't change a thing about any of them. Speaking
Speaker 2: of housewives, You're not gonna believe this. I was personally invited,
Speaker 2: as were you. You can't make it, but I will
Speaker 2: be going to the Legends show on Friday, Countess lu Ann,
Speaker 2: I will be there about fifty four below. I am
Speaker 2: so excited. I'm going to have my party cabaret shoes on.
Speaker 2: I am so excited for Lou oh be singles. I
Speaker 2: hope she doesn't cover. Can you imagine like Countess Lou
Speaker 2: doing single soon? It would be so jazzy. I can't
Speaker 2: even I'm so excited. You will get a full, well
Speaker 2: not a full review. You're going to a short review
Speaker 2: on the podcast next week because we actually have a guest.
Speaker 1: We will not reveal who the guest is. You're gonna
Speaker 1: love it. I can't wait for you to go to
Speaker 1: what is this Friday? This is Friday so exciting.
Speaker 2: And tonight if you're listening to this album on Wednesday,
Speaker 2: I'm hosting Ariano Maddox's book It Show event at town
Speaker 2: Hall tonight Wednesday. Are you seeing her in Chicago while
Speaker 2: you're here? I would love to I'm like jam packed.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna see if I can potentially get something for
Speaker 2: Saturday Day. Yeah, but I really want to because if
Speaker 2: I don't go this week, then I'm not gonna be
Speaker 2: able to go at all, I think because I have to.
Speaker 2: I have to be in La for good reasons. Yes,
Speaker 2: we're gonna see I'm gonna try. I'm seeing Sarah Paulson
Speaker 2: Inappropriate with mss L.
Speaker 1: Love that, and.
Speaker 2: I'm also seeing Cola Scola show. Oh oh Mary, Oh Mary.
Speaker 2: I actually have a fun night on Saturday, a great night.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go see Cole show, and then I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to your show, love that, And I really
Speaker 1: want to see Oh hold on, let's pause. Let's let's pause.
Speaker 2: While we pause, I'm just gonna sing, oh be single soon,
Speaker 2: ah be single soon.
Speaker 1: I know he'll beat a mess Lana, Okay, Oh be
Speaker 1: single soon? Oh be single soon. I added that I oh,
Speaker 1: my favorite part was coming up.
Speaker 2: Oh I let's say hello one, stay out later about one.
Speaker 1: I wanna do a one do. I'm picking out the dress,
Speaker 1: die it on these shoes.
Speaker 2: It is, oh be single soon.
Speaker 1: It's such a bob girl. You ate that gotta come
Speaker 1: on the.
Speaker 2: Pod Lena, we would love to we would we would
Speaker 2: tickle you with compliments now not our fingers. I understand
Speaker 2: that that's controversial, controversial, Not everyone likes that.
Speaker 1: Some great shows that I want to see as well.
Speaker 1: Seven Years Disappear, starting Taylor Trench, former guests Nixon, Oh
Speaker 1: and written by Jordan Sevie. And also I need to
Speaker 1: go and see The Connector Scott Bacula and Ben and
Speaker 1: Ben leave Rock.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Wow, that's exciting. Scvacula, what a little hunk.
Speaker 1: Oh, totally remember Looking, We're Looking.
Speaker 2: It was just I guess the anniversary of Looking.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I'm actually I never watched past the third
Speaker 1: episode of the first season, and I'm giving it a
Speaker 1: full rewatch. No, it's really good. It got really good.
Speaker 2: It got really good.
Speaker 1: I just like, I'm like, this is at the time
Speaker 1: and it still kind of is like revolutionary. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that people were very hard on that show
Speaker 2: because breaking news, like the gays all hate each other
Speaker 2: but not you, Kyle, but all we love you.
Speaker 1: Kyle. You did great, You were really good with Looking.
Speaker 1: You're talking about Kyle in general, I'm talking about the Kyle.
Speaker 2: It's not surprising that looking didn't have like a ground
Speaker 2: swell of support because.
Speaker 1: I'm not getting get into it, but just like it.
Speaker 2: Didn't get the appreciation it deserved. It was actually great,
Speaker 2: and that end of the first season was really good.
Speaker 2: And then friend, my dearest Michael Sue Rosen is in
Speaker 2: the movie. He gets fucked by Jonathan Groff and then
Speaker 2: they have a sweet scene. Anyway, Happy birthday, Michael. Oh,
Speaker 2: I love him.
Speaker 1: He's a sweetheart. I love him.
Speaker 2: So we love you, Michael Sue ros and Michael Sue.
Speaker 1: Should we do the cultural excavation.
Speaker 2: Let's do the cultural excavation, and let's just.
Speaker 1: Put out there you all were assuming experience twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: with the rest of us. Yeah, this is my thesis
Speaker 1: going in, not to sour the whole thing, not to
Speaker 1: cast a pall from the start. I'm looking at like
Speaker 1: best picture, highest grossing film, Like the albums of the year,
Speaker 1: like with the exception of one, really I think seminal album,
Speaker 1: like most of the culture of this year.
Speaker 2: Even I'm gonna say the celebrity deaths, there were a
Speaker 2: lot this year.
Speaker 1: Remember that. I was gonna say, there weren't that many. Oh,
Speaker 1: there weren't.
Speaker 2: Why do I seem to remember twenty seven. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: so who died? Oh Hugh Hefner, Mary Tyler Moore. That
Speaker 2: was a big loss for breaking Bill Paxton. I mean
Speaker 2: Bill Paxton was an icon to me for his performance
Speaker 2: of Twister. Twister and talk about great pre show acting.
Speaker 1: Amazing pre show acting in the Twister appreciation.
Speaker 2: Oh Helen, then Bill Paxton and that Twister a pre
Speaker 2: show ate that up and they could not film it
Speaker 2: together because they what did made along? Yeah, okay, well
Speaker 2: let's just go through.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get ahead of myself and maybe you you
Speaker 1: can be the person who decides. I just think as
Speaker 1: we go down this list, after that fucking banger of
Speaker 1: a year two thousand and nine that we just went through,
Speaker 1: this is.
Speaker 2: It's definitely we're sea sawing here, we're sea sawing. So
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine was a year of so much
Speaker 2: promise and potential, and two thousand and nine was the
Speaker 2: year so many things broke open and it.
Speaker 1: Felt like it was a lift.
Speaker 2: Twenty seventeen that was a downer, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like this was obviously let's just get it out. Trump inaugurated,
Speaker 2: starting things off with dreadful vibes.
Speaker 1: Trump inaugurated Muslim travel band Women's March, which is its
Speaker 1: own little bummer and its own little men, and it
Speaker 1: was an amazing moment. But the fact that it had
Speaker 1: to happen, the fact that it had to happen, and
Speaker 1: then the fact that it sort of was deflated with
Speaker 1: all this internal drama in the years since.
Speaker 2: But you know, what a moment.
Speaker 1: And then also we'll get into this later, but like
Speaker 1: the year that me too sort of broke open.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's kind of okay, But let's start with film.
Speaker 1: So this Star with films is just the tone that
Speaker 1: we're setting because this was the year. Well I'm literally.
Speaker 2: Looking at like the top grossing film, people, and the
Speaker 2: top grossing film was Star Wars episode seven, The Last
Speaker 2: Jedi eight eight. Oh shit really? Uh oh, I didn't
Speaker 2: see that third one? Yes, episode eight.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I literally identify as a Star Wars fan and I
Speaker 2: knew that. I did know that, you guys, Star Wars
Speaker 2: episode eight. The this is Remember how negative.
Speaker 1: People were about this such a controversial and I think
Speaker 1: it still holds a lot of mixed feeling within the
Speaker 1: Star Wars. I like this movie a lot. It's like
Speaker 1: Ryan Johnson knows what he's doing.
Speaker 2: I just feel like the disrespect and the it was
Speaker 2: weird because it was like with Star Wars reboot, right,
Speaker 2: It's like, first of all, it exists to service the fans, yes,
Speaker 2: but also within that you do want it to be
Speaker 2: like its own, engaging, risky movie, right, And they did
Speaker 2: so much in that movie that was bold and risky
Speaker 2: and fun, entertaining, and like you know, the reveal spoiler
Speaker 2: alert that Ray was no one, she didn't have like
Speaker 2: lineage that like tied her to anything.
Speaker 1: I thought was kind of a chic choice. Love that choice.
Speaker 2: And then like when episode nine comes out a few
Speaker 2: years later, like they reveal actually she was Palpatine's granddaughter
Speaker 2: or whatever the fuck, which I also appreciated for its
Speaker 2: own drag, Like I remember Rise of Skywalker essentially a
Speaker 2: drag film. They're all dragged on.
Speaker 1: It's a space.
Speaker 2: A space offer for kids.
Speaker 1: For chilling treads.
Speaker 2: So people seem to forget that and they act like
Speaker 2: they've been like gunned down by like these movies when
Speaker 2: they're not exactly what they want them to be or
Speaker 2: they don't. It's weird, Like did you want a retreat
Speaker 2: of Empire strikes Back, or did you want something that
Speaker 2: tried to have the impact and influence of Empire strikes
Speaker 2: Back for me, one of the greatest movies of all
Speaker 2: time in its own right, and I feel like that's
Speaker 2: what Ryan Johnson went for, and people were not responding
Speaker 2: well because I think that they, if they were to
Speaker 2: be truly honest, wanted something that was more of more repetition.
Speaker 1: Then they're actually comfortable admitting with a franchise like Star Wars,
Speaker 1: I think you can never win because Force Awakens was
Speaker 1: to was to like Paint by Numbers, a New Hope nine.
Speaker 1: Rise of Skyworker, which I don't hate, by the way, No,
Speaker 1: I think it's really fun. It's so fun like fucking
Speaker 1: Ray and Kylo Ren's moment in nine is actually I
Speaker 1: love it.
Speaker 2: When they kissed, it's so funny, beamed out loud, it's amazing.
Speaker 2: I was so happy, by the way this is. It
Speaker 2: didn't come out this year, but Rise of Skywalker Matt
Speaker 2: Whittaker and I saw it in forty X Love the
Speaker 2: same day we saw Cats and the seats moved and
Speaker 2: Chess the seats were flying around and Matt, God love him,
Speaker 2: doesn't do well with that and when I tell you
Speaker 2: forty X, something that gets lost is that they spray
Speaker 2: you with water so aggressively. By the way, this came
Speaker 2: out like weeks before the pandemic.
Speaker 1: So we're in chairs.
Speaker 2: That are like flying around getting sprayed with water, and
Speaker 2: Rise of Skywalker came out, and the pandemic like was
Speaker 2: being born like somewhere else in the world.
Speaker 1: And it made me laugh.
Speaker 2: I just said, this was so funny because to think
Speaker 2: that we were just in an atmosphere where forget up
Speaker 2: being careful for the droplets were out like.
Speaker 1: We were be sprayed by moldy water.
Speaker 2: Like oh god. So but anyway, that's enough for another day.
Speaker 1: Very very honey, I shruck the audience.
Speaker 2: Very that very that bowen. Well done, Thank you, incredible
Speaker 2: park history, theme park performances by.
Speaker 1: You, Rick Moranas, Thank you amazing. That was my favorite ride.
Speaker 1: For a second. I was like, we have to go
Speaker 1: to epcots like you. We can do, honey, I sh
Speaker 1: the audience.
Speaker 2: I remember being too scared to go on it because
Speaker 2: I was what you're sitting down the whole time.
Speaker 1: I know, honey, but this is what happened. Listen.
Speaker 2: Violent what happened was I chose violence on myself by
Speaker 2: being that little kid that was so excited and obsessed
Speaker 2: with theme parks that I would research them to the
Speaker 2: point where I knew everything about them going in.
Speaker 1: And there was a snake.
Speaker 2: The snake is a gag. You would it's so reputation.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: I wish I wish I had been who I was
Speaker 2: went today then because I would be so excited for
Speaker 2: the snake. But I was so scared about the snake
Speaker 2: jumping out that I didn't want to go.
Speaker 1: And my dad got so pissed off. I remember and that,
Speaker 1: and my grandmother was like stop, like go on the ride.
Speaker 1: I'll stay with him. And I remember we watched the
Speaker 1: jumping fountains.
Speaker 2: It was you and your grandma and my grandmother god Rest,
Speaker 2: and we sat and watched the jumping fountains. And that's
Speaker 2: one of my greatest memories of her, is that she
Speaker 2: sat with me when I was too scared to go
Speaker 2: on the honey as the shrunk the kids, and we
Speaker 2: watched the jumping fountains.
Speaker 1: And I love my grandma. And a figment statue was
Speaker 1: not far away, not far well. If Taylor Swift knows
Speaker 1: what's good for her when Reputation TV comes out, she
Speaker 1: should release it along with Honey, I shrunk the audience,
Speaker 1: by the way.
Speaker 2: So that all I never agreed with anything you said
Speaker 2: ever more than this week.
Speaker 1: And we'll get back to reputation in a bed. Oh
Speaker 1: because guess don't forget don't the energy this synergy?
Speaker 2: Okay, So Star.
Speaker 1: Wars episode anything I was, I mean, your Laura Dern
Speaker 1: in a purple wig.
Speaker 2: Oh, pew pw p pew pe pugh.
Speaker 1: Of course she did pew the gun kinda kaziing into
Speaker 1: a star Destroyer.
Speaker 2: That's iconic.
Speaker 1: I mean, oh, it wasn't a star destroyer, no, she
Speaker 1: she was in the Star Destroyer. Yeah, and then she
Speaker 1: kind of cozy through it like the fucking yeah, she
Speaker 1: she saved the day. Let's just be that.
Speaker 2: I thought that was so well done, Like she was
Speaker 2: great in that. She was better in that than she
Speaker 2: wasn't marriage who.
Speaker 1: I think that's just the sound dropping out when that happened,
Speaker 1: like fucking Leah fucking floating through space. Oh yeah, that
Speaker 1: was County. It is I I don't know where like
Speaker 1: the fandom is that. I don't really engage too much
Speaker 1: in it, but I hope we've all like caught up
Speaker 1: to the risks and the boldness that that movie was
Speaker 1: pulling off as a Disney franchise, as a Star Wars franchise.
Speaker 1: That take, that takes a vision in a direction from
Speaker 1: I I just love Ryan Johnson, me too so much
Speaker 1: and huge fan, huge fan.
Speaker 2: I just think eight, I hope we how do we
Speaker 2: all feel?
Speaker 1: Let us know?
Speaker 2: I think you can't trust I don't know the fandom.
Speaker 2: Like it's almost hard to be like an intense fan
Speaker 2: of something and react in an honest way right away,
Speaker 2: because you're either going to be overly enthusiastic or overly defensive,
Speaker 2: uh or like overly dismissive, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: where it's just like it's ruined or it's incredible, or
Speaker 2: it's just like it's gonna be something out of ten,
Speaker 2: whereas like it's art, it's like it's sometimes it takes
Speaker 2: a second, like you might not have the right take
Speaker 2: right away, you know what I mean. Like, and I think, actually,
Speaker 2: as we move into the Oscar section of this, it's
Speaker 2: interesting because I think two of the movies that came
Speaker 2: out this year are going to stand.
Speaker 1: The test of times.
Speaker 2: Yes, maybe several of these and neither of them are
Speaker 2: the movie that won Best Picture, right.
Speaker 1: I just also want to say, also, gad like when
Speaker 1: Luke goes out into the field at the end and
Speaker 1: like they all like fucking stood at him.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That's I just really love this. It was a good movie.
Speaker 2: I mean, like, it's really fun and it gives you
Speaker 2: it gives you the grandeur and the space operadness, and
Speaker 2: it also gives you tension, and it also gives you
Speaker 2: something different, which I think is important and a good thing.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good thing too, especially coming out
Speaker 1: of like the campiness of like the prequel trilogy. It's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is a different kind of camp that is also
Speaker 1: very well paired with like the gravitas and the tragedy
Speaker 1: and on the violence and all this stuff. Like I
Speaker 1: think it's I don't know, I really I really loved
Speaker 1: Last Jedi. I sig mean. This is also the ninth
Speaker 1: highest grossing film of all time. Okay, let's get into
Speaker 1: the Oscar winners. So this was the year of the
Speaker 1: Shape of Water. Thirteen nominations. Is she gonna fuck that fish?
Speaker 1: Is she gonna fuck that fish?
Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry, yes, George Severi's joke. Yeah, is she gonna
Speaker 2: fuck that fish. She's gonna fuck that fish. You fuck
Speaker 2: that fish? And Olivia Olivia Octaber TV Spencer played that
Speaker 2: arc of are you gonna fuck that fish?
Speaker 1: She's gonna fuck that fish? You fuck that fish? So well.
Speaker 1: She received her second OSCAR nomination or her third second second,
Speaker 1: She's all three The Help.
Speaker 2: Then there was Jesus Christ, We're flopping, Oh, Hidden Figures,
Speaker 2: Hidden Figures. I forget which came first, but that's not
Speaker 2: our job yet.
Speaker 1: I think it was The Help, Shape of Water and
Speaker 1: then Hidden Figures. That sure, I think that's that's the way.
Speaker 1: Let's say we think that.
Speaker 2: Okay, we can't verify.
Speaker 1: I have to say.
Speaker 2: What's important to say is that I don't care about
Speaker 2: this movie Shape of Water. Yeah, and I don't think
Speaker 2: it's one that's gonna be like looked back on as
Speaker 2: like an important film. However, I do understand it winning
Speaker 2: the Best Picture Oscar because of the way that kind
Speaker 2: of goes sometimes where it feels like not the safe thing,
Speaker 2: because there's nothing safe about this movie, like it's essentially
Speaker 2: like a creature of the Black Lagoon like update that
Speaker 2: I think is like, you know, risky and bold. I
Speaker 2: just when I look at the other movies that came
Speaker 2: out this year, like there's so much year that, like
Speaker 2: I feel is important, like for me, Get Out and
Speaker 2: Lady Bird or.
Speaker 1: Let Him Throt are there important? Yes, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And even let's just say call me by
Speaker 1: your name. Absolutely, let's even say it. I mean, don't
Speaker 1: you don't have to tell me twice and I don't
Speaker 1: have to tell you twice about how much I love
Speaker 1: Itania Love. I think Itania is an important film in
Speaker 1: terms of rocketing Margo. Not that she wasn't a star before,
Speaker 1: like she had star making performances that like put her
Speaker 1: in the A list, but I think this was like
Speaker 1: a solidifier. This solidified it for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I loved her in this. I loved
Speaker 2: her in this, and I just I really I liked
Speaker 2: the movie a lot. Also, I think it was my
Speaker 2: first real exposure, real knowledgeable exposure to Sebastian Stan who's
Speaker 2: my favorite, and was so the way he made Galuly hot.
Speaker 2: I was like, why don't do I want to fuck
Speaker 2: Glue right now?
Speaker 1: You want to? I think? I I think I want
Speaker 1: to fuck Galulee.
Speaker 2: And that was something revolutionary to want to fuck Jeff
Speaker 2: to want to fuck Jeff Galuley, Jeff Right, Yeah, Jeff Galule.
Speaker 2: The Shape of Water wedding, I think was kind of
Speaker 2: a given right because the other real competitor was Dunkirk,
Speaker 2: but that it like has ten less nominations than Shape
Speaker 2: of Water. I couldn't give a fuck about Dunkirk. Like
Speaker 2: for me, it's like, yeah, Shape of Water is like
Speaker 2: a Best Picture winner.
Speaker 1: Sure.
Speaker 2: For me, it's like, I remember there were two films
Speaker 2: that year, they were get Out and Lady Bird that
Speaker 2: felt to me like important important, not only because they
Speaker 2: like introduced like Greti Gerwig and Jordan Peele like in
Speaker 2: this way as like really important singular filmmakers going forward,
Speaker 2: but also like I felt get Out was so inventive.
Speaker 1: I felt it was so.
Speaker 2: Smart and great, and I loved like the blend of
Speaker 2: comedy and horror that he would become synonymous with. And
Speaker 2: as everyone knows, I don't do horror well, but I
Speaker 2: can watch this again and again and again.
Speaker 1: It actually is one of my favorite movies. Did you
Speaker 1: see Us?
Speaker 2: I could not handle us? Because you did, But I've
Speaker 2: seen Nope and I've seen get Out. But Us to
Speaker 2: me like pushed it to the next level. But you
Speaker 2: know what is true about us. I listened to the soundtrack.
Speaker 2: It's so funny that I got five on it, I
Speaker 2: got remix, I listened to it like all the time.
Speaker 2: It's that and single Soon. I kind of rotate between that,
Speaker 2: you know, depending on the vibe. But Love Get Out,
Speaker 2: Daniel Kluia like exploded into the mainstream. Alison Williams Resurgence,
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Bradley Bedford and Catherine Keemer Keener Why
Speaker 2: did I say Keemer? But yeah, just like a really
Speaker 2: really important, incredible film.
Speaker 1: And then Ladybird.
Speaker 2: You know, it's just first of all a Staircia and
Speaker 2: Laurie Metcalf, that dynamics all amazing, And you'll never forget
Speaker 2: Lloyd Metcas's performance at the end when she drops her
Speaker 2: off at the airport and like can't be bothered to
Speaker 2: go in with her, and then she starts sobbing and
Speaker 2: circles the block and runs in and it's too late.
Speaker 1: Just like so great. Also, I love Lucas Hedges in this,
Speaker 1: Lucas Beanie all great.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget the moment when Lucas begs Sirsha not
Speaker 2: to tell anyone that he's gay, and the way he
Speaker 2: just broke down. It was one of those moments that
Speaker 2: I just like literally involuntarily like started to emotionally jumped
Speaker 2: out of my skin, and I'm like, gret is just
Speaker 2: She's just phenomenal. Yeah, she's just phenomenal.
Speaker 1: Other important movies I put down Wonder Woman, Mother The Post, Coco, Coco, Coco,
Speaker 1: Love Coco. Let's move on to music. I think I'm
Speaker 1: ready for it.
Speaker 2: Bound we didn't know what we were being given. Well, actually,
Speaker 2: you know what, should we be honest? Honesty zone.
Speaker 1: Let's be honesty z own. I'm ready to be honesty zone.
Speaker 2: And also can I say like this relates to my
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey a little bit later, because
Speaker 2: we already talk about this little lady.
Speaker 1: But when look what you made me do came out,
Speaker 1: I did not get it at all. I didn't understand.
Speaker 2: And also, this was a period that was tough for Swifties,
Speaker 2: and I remember we were not necessarily diehards at this point.
Speaker 2: I think we were a little oversaturated with her post
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine Imperial phase. The choices she were making
Speaker 2: in public I were a little questionable, and we were
Speaker 2: just a little bit, like certainly not better than the
Speaker 2: big conversation, than that conversation about her, and we fell
Speaker 2: off a bit. Look What You Made Me Do came
Speaker 2: out and I was like, what is going on here?
Speaker 2: And then the album came out? And what I feel
Speaker 2: like Once I heard the album, I was like, oh.
Speaker 1: Can we be honesty zone? Yeah? Once Gorgeous came out,
Speaker 1: I was in the closet. I felt like I was
Speaker 1: in the closet again because I thought, walk through this,
Speaker 1: no one can know that I love this song.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 1: I loved Gorgeously, still do I will, but Gorgeous stamp
Speaker 1: but Gorgeous came out as a promotional single before the
Speaker 1: album came out. Ah, so it was, uh, look what
Speaker 1: you Made Me Do? I think it was ready for it?
Speaker 1: And then Gorgeous, Yeah, and ready for it. I was
Speaker 1: kind of like it was a banger from the jump
Speaker 1: I will That's That was a closet and moment for
Speaker 1: me too, because everyone's like, this fucking sucks. She's trying
Speaker 1: to do hip hop and I and I went, but wait,
Speaker 1: she pulled off this thing that, of course, on its
Speaker 1: face is going to be like laughable because it's like
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift wrote a hip hop song, but like I
Speaker 1: remember at the time being like, this is kind of great.
Speaker 1: And then Gorgeous came out and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: she's just having fun being like flurry Little Girl again,
Speaker 1: which we haven't seen since, which wasn't even on nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty nine. I was like, maybe we haven't seen since.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say speak now, or like Red where she
Speaker 1: was just like coquettish, and it was like I like this,
Speaker 1: I like this tailor. And so then when the album
Speaker 1: came out, I remember someone, a journalist friend of ours,
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, the Taylor album just leaped.
Speaker 2: It's so bad. Want me to send it to you.
Speaker 2: And I was like, at that point A already had
Speaker 2: it mm hmmm, and B was like, it's not bad. Well,
Speaker 2: first of all, I'm on record, I think it's her
Speaker 2: best album. It's my favorite album. First, I also think
Speaker 2: it's her most romantic album because it's all about the
Speaker 2: beginnings of Joe and the clinging onto a person while
Speaker 2: the rest of the while the rest of the world
Speaker 2: says they're done with you. And the depression that she
Speaker 2: was in we now know was so real and she
Speaker 2: genuinely thought it was over over, and she found someone
Speaker 2: who made her feel like a version of herself again,
Speaker 2: and that all went into the music and fight Me
Speaker 2: Delicate is the best Taylor Swift song of all time. Wow,
Speaker 2: Delicate Not only is it the best track five, it's
Speaker 2: and I'm not even being hyperbolic, like Delicate in the
Speaker 2: concert is a moment for ever, for everyone to enjoy life.
Speaker 1: To enjoy life, Just enjoy life.
Speaker 2: And the entire reputation segment of the erast you can
Speaker 2: tell she fucking loves it. Oh my god when she
Speaker 2: stomps out there at the top. I said, let's go
Speaker 2: back in time to the year twenty seventeen. Let's go
Speaker 2: back and let's relive militant but secretly wounded and romantic
Speaker 2: tailor this Taylor on the offense but also privately like vulnerable.
Speaker 1: Huh. Come on, I'm gonna say that reputation is the
Speaker 1: piece of mainstream culture that has maybe aged the best
Speaker 1: from this year. I would agree with you. We're gonna
Speaker 1: get TV, We've looked at movies. There are other incredible
Speaker 1: albums we're going to talk about that we're also in
Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. But I think reputation thank God for it,
Speaker 1: because otherwise they would have been full rot. Do you
Speaker 1: know what, I just.
Speaker 2: Realized what reputation is so last Jedi coded ah, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, the impact of that statement. I don't understand
Speaker 2: what Wow, I know what you mean. I know what
Speaker 2: you mean. I know what you mean. But for you
Speaker 2: to connect those dots, my sister, this.
Speaker 1: Is a cultural excavation.
Speaker 2: Appolit sligh.
Speaker 1: I wish I could go back in time.
Speaker 2: I wish I had been seventeen and twenty seventeen so
Speaker 2: I could write an ap comp essay on this. I
Speaker 2: would body it. Missus Mahr would say, I know that's right.
Speaker 2: Let me press play, Let me press play. Let me
Speaker 2: give this paper a hundred.
Speaker 1: I will say. My weird Swifty wrinkle is that Endgame
Speaker 1: is one of my favorite Taylor Swift songs. Endgame.
Speaker 2: Okay, it's not up there for me, but I respect, love, worship,
Speaker 2: and enjoy the opinion. And I need to say this
Speaker 2: hugely underrated music video.
Speaker 1: Yeah really, Joseph Kahan. She's in Miami, Tokyo, London, and
Speaker 1: she is. This is one of the rare Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: videos where she is what having fun, having a good time.
Speaker 1: I think she's having fun a lot. But it's like
Speaker 1: this is pure, like her being like, Okay, look what
Speaker 1: you mean to do, not really necessarily having fun right,
Speaker 1: m delicate, She's kind of like in the Ring having
Speaker 1: fun and delicate, but there's there's a melancholy to it.
Speaker 2: Endgame is pure, like good vibes. I'm on a yacht
Speaker 2: in Miami. I'm riding on a fucking motorcycle with Future.
Speaker 2: I am getting drunk, getting fucking what a drunk people
Speaker 2: get in the UK like knackerd No, that means tired.
Speaker 1: What nackard means tired. I'm like smashed.
Speaker 2: They're getting smashed in the but like she's like having
Speaker 2: a great house party meet in London.
Speaker 1: She is eating ramen in a little jutle shop in Tokyo.
Speaker 1: She's playing Dance Dance Revolution with these Japanese girls she
Speaker 1: just met. I said, this is what I want out
Speaker 1: of a Taylor Swift song. Sometimes I'm so happy to
Speaker 1: see you so happy.
Speaker 2: I love ED because it makes me feel like I'm
Speaker 2: having fun. Can I also say In the re release
Speaker 2: of Reputation, a lot of people talk about like what
Speaker 2: song needs to have a moment get Away car, get
Speaker 2: get away car, get to My Heart and get away car. Okay,
Speaker 2: so listen, I'm gonna get personal here. No, no, are
Speaker 2: you about to King of my Heart meant something to
Speaker 2: me at one point. Now I've put it away. Get
Speaker 2: Away car is the truth because listen to me right now.
Speaker 2: Nothing good starts in a getaway car. Think about the
Speaker 2: place where you first met me. When they tell you
Speaker 2: when the red flags are there from the beginning. You
Speaker 2: are not better than that.
Speaker 1: When people show you who they are, believe.
Speaker 2: Them them first right away. Don't allow yourself to get
Speaker 2: in the getaway car. Is this her most my good
Speaker 2: starts in it? Getaway Car is Taylor Swift's most My
Speaker 2: Angelou song?
Speaker 1: And what ruler culture is that?
Speaker 2: Well, it's her Loto coature number twelve getaway cars.
Speaker 1: It's taylors my Angelou song. I Live to get away Car.
Speaker 1: You were jet Set Bonnie and Clyde. There is no
Speaker 1: more apt song than jet Set Bonnie and Clyde. Until
Speaker 1: you switch to the other side, to the other side,
Speaker 1: it's no surprise I turned you in because never win. Well,
Speaker 1: she's clearly never watched traders because they sometimes win.
Speaker 2: Can we side by for a second I Am almost
Speaker 2: through Australian traders by far the best version.
Speaker 1: That is a huge claim. It's the claim I'm making
Speaker 1: are shooting daggers at me? Bitch? Violent? Okay, violent wow,
Speaker 1: her violent album representation. The album was largely snuffed at
Speaker 1: the Grammys, except for her Best Pop Vocal Album nominations.
Speaker 1: We we saw that Mo and Miss American. Can you
Speaker 1: even believe this wasn't an Album of the Year nominee?
Speaker 2: It's so insane?
Speaker 1: Retrospective reviews opined that the initial reception was clouded by
Speaker 1: the negative press and describe the album as a work
Speaker 1: of experimentation and artistic evolution. For Sweat, some of her
Speaker 1: best lyrics.
Speaker 2: The melodies are sick yeah, even in Ready for It,
Speaker 2: which like in the middle of a night Magies, you
Speaker 2: should see the things.
Speaker 1: Wait, if you slow it down and play on a piano,
Speaker 1: it's like really pretty. Oh I love Ready for It. Okay,
Speaker 1: Record of the Year. So now let's get into the Grammys,
Speaker 1: because this is where you start to see the desiccated
Speaker 1: cultural landscape. Not to and this is not a drag
Speaker 1: on the artist that we're about to mention, but so
Speaker 1: what dominated the Grammys? Bruno Mars is nominated for six
Speaker 1: Grammys one all six. Yeah, Record of the Year, twenty
Speaker 1: four Carrot Manderic, Album of the Year, twenty four Carot
Speaker 1: Mandrix Song of the Year.
Speaker 2: That's what I like, Yeah, which these are not bad works.
Speaker 2: I actually happened to love that album. I love Bruno Mars,
Speaker 2: seen them live at excellent live performer, Yeah, like fantastic
Speaker 2: live performer. I do think when you start to look
Speaker 2: at best new artists, a historically flopped category that never
Speaker 2: gets it right or that rarely gets it right, we
Speaker 2: love this person. Yeah, but this was a she was
Speaker 2: nominated against Alessiya Kara one. I mean I think, looking back,
Speaker 2: that should have been Saysy's award. I have a feeling
Speaker 2: that I'll be rectified at this year's Grammys. I actually
Speaker 2: think she's.
Speaker 1: Winning album with that year. I have a hundred year Yeah, and.
Speaker 2: That would be SOS would be a very good win
Speaker 2: for that. But can I say about twenty four Carrot
Speaker 2: Magic and that's what I like by Bruno Mars, I
Speaker 2: feel like, are we going to be thinking about this
Speaker 2: song in years to come? No, but we're not bot
Speaker 2: mitzvah party motivators, right, and so I think if you're
Speaker 2: a bot mitzvah party motivator, this is a really important
Speaker 2: song of twenty four Carrot Magic but has step touch,
Speaker 2: clap clap. This gets the moms up, It gets the
Speaker 2: little girls up. But do the little girls care for
Speaker 2: Bruno Mars.
Speaker 1: I think they do. Like these jen alpha girls that
Speaker 1: are at that are at the bat mitzvahs.
Speaker 2: You have to remember the power of a wedding. Can't
Speaker 2: tell you what's not going anywhere in the monoculture wedding.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying the life cycle for a song that
Speaker 1: ends up being in the cannon of wedding music, wedding
Speaker 1: songs on the dance floor, it's a long cycle, like
Speaker 1: Shout Shout, was not that girl until like the nineties.
Speaker 1: I have a feelming we'll still hear twenty four Carrot Magic.
Speaker 1: I'm sure we will, but I'm saying it's receding right
Speaker 1: now and then the year twenty twenty four, it's gonna
Speaker 1: make a roaring comeback at weddings at funerals.
Speaker 2: If you play twenty four Carrot Magic at my funeral,
Speaker 2: which is next week, by the way, no, I will
Speaker 2: kill you from the grave.
Speaker 1: Girl.
Speaker 2: If you played twenty four Carrot Magic at my funeral,
Speaker 2: which is next week. I Will kill you from the grave.
Speaker 2: Remember I said that, I remember it's on record now.
Speaker 2: I think twenty twenty eight, twenty nine is when this
Speaker 2: song is we kind of crown it, Okay. Other awards
Speaker 2: other top selling album mellow Drama by Lord, I.
Speaker 1: Think Melodrama Dan by Kendrick Lamart reputation or are the
Speaker 1: three oh I'm sorry control Absolutely are the these four
Speaker 1: albums that are like in the vault of the year,
Speaker 1: but also the year overall for music was also a
Speaker 1: little huh. Like in a good year for music, there
Speaker 1: are we can say like ten albums that are like huge.
Speaker 1: But Melodrama what an album? Yeah, the maybe the best
Speaker 1: sophomore album of a pop girly in.
Speaker 2: The last, Teenage Dream is found absolutely teen years drowned
Speaker 2: and left in the water.
Speaker 1: I think Breakaway has is hurting right now. I said
Speaker 1: fifteen years you did so that I think teenage Dream
Speaker 1: makes the cutoff, but I would say Melodrama and teenage
Speaker 1: dreamer on similar echelons.
Speaker 2: Think about how I have to listen better? Thinking about
Speaker 2: thinking about how I have to listen a little better.
Speaker 1: A little better sometime.
Speaker 2: Damn I Kendrick Lamar. This was three albums in a
Speaker 2: row of like Wow, of like Good Kid, Mad City,
Speaker 2: to Pimp a Butterfly, and Dan like this is like
Speaker 2: we need Kendrick.
Speaker 1: Back in a big way. Say it, don't spray, I'm
Speaker 1: not spraying, and control obviously. I mean, this was the
Speaker 1: album that I think really broke her through. I think
Speaker 1: this is the album that made me say not cultures
Speaker 1: for me. But I said, she is our generations. Joni Mitchell,
Speaker 1: It's kind of.
Speaker 2: You've been saying that this deeply confessional, like out pouring
Speaker 2: from the fucking heart in a way that's different from
Speaker 2: Taylor in a way that's like this is raw and
Speaker 2: this is like what is on the page.
Speaker 1: When you told her that and she goes to you,
Speaker 1: oh so you like me? I was like, yeah, oh
Speaker 1: so you like me? You like me?
Speaker 2: This is And then I said that.
Speaker 1: She was like that's so nice, and she was like,
Speaker 1: I really don't know how people feel about my music.
Speaker 1: I was like, really, She goes, I don't leave the house.
Speaker 2: Oh wow. But I think I think that was before
Speaker 2: the album came out, and now since then, since SOS,
Speaker 2: I mean since SOS I think she's she's out here celebrating.
Speaker 2: I mean, all she had to do is look out
Speaker 2: at that crowd we were in in Madison Square Garden
Speaker 2: and feel the love. And then she came back out.
Speaker 1: That was so cute. I love her. I love her too.
Speaker 1: I love her okay, and then after laughter, hugely underrated
Speaker 1: Paramore album Rainbow by Kesha, Praying Praying.
Speaker 2: I'm that note.
Speaker 1: That note will be remembered. We'll be remembered.
Speaker 2: Maybe not reproduced. I don't think I ever reproduced, but
Speaker 2: we love Kesha, but it was certainly produced. It was
Speaker 2: certainly produced. Lust for Life Lenald Delray, Oh, this was
Speaker 2: an interesting there's some okay, So these were number one hits.
Speaker 2: Desposito sixteen weeks in number one one.
Speaker 1: That's insane. Shape of you? Can I tell you something?
Speaker 2: I fox with shape of you?
Speaker 1: I mean love with the same of you. Depends on
Speaker 1: the mood. I'm always in the mood.
Speaker 2: Okay. It's not single soon, but you know rock Star
Speaker 2: by Post Malone, Bodak, Yellow Bike.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about body Card to b that was huge.
Speaker 2: I go to dinner and steak. Only the real can relate.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I'm leaving the podcast, I go to
Speaker 2: dinner and steak. Only the reel can relate. If you're
Speaker 2: eating a steak dinner, you're real. You ate you're If
Speaker 2: you go to dinner and steak, you're the real one.
Speaker 1: Only the real can relate. If you go to dinner
Speaker 1: and steak, you're eating dinner.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: This is well? I mean a star making thing in
Speaker 1: a way that we will look back on. Card more
Speaker 1: fun Now.
Speaker 2: This is well? Well, I do love, be careful, careful
Speaker 2: of me. I do love be careful, But Bodak Yellow
Speaker 2: is up there for me. I mean this is a legendary.
Speaker 2: This is like a signature forever track. Yeah, And she says,
Speaker 2: to this day, she's like she was asked, what's your
Speaker 2: favorite songs to performance? She's like, the way people act
Speaker 2: during bodac Yellow makes me so happy. The way people
Speaker 2: act when it's played out of space, people are at
Speaker 2: a frenzy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I lose control? What else? Look what
Speaker 1: you made me do?
Speaker 2: Three Weeks and Number one Perfect by Ed Sheeran and Beyonce,
Speaker 2: Starboy by the Weekend, Humble by Kendrick Lamar And That's
Speaker 2: what I Like by Bruna Mars an interesting year moving
Speaker 2: into television. Emmy for Outstating Drama, The Handmaid's Tale first
Speaker 2: streaming show to win Outstating Drama. I watched a lot
Speaker 2: of the first season of Handmaid's Tale was one of
Speaker 2: the most devastating periods of I think my life sitting
Speaker 2: for any minute of that show.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: But Elizabeth Moss talented.
Speaker 1: Girl, talent hallented girl. Emmy for out Stating Comedy Veep
Speaker 1: third consecutive year. Absolutely May for Outstanding Limited Series Big
Speaker 1: Little Lies.
Speaker 2: We all remember where we were that finale of Big
Speaker 2: Little Lives. You came over to my apartment with Dave.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we watched it. We were to say
Speaker 2: we were entertained, satiated, moved, floored, renewed. Oh when those
Speaker 2: women came together to push Alexander Scar's guard down the steps.
Speaker 1: When Zoe pushed absolutely give her the credit. Give her
Speaker 1: the credit.
Speaker 2: She really put her foot down and said, I'm putting
Speaker 2: my weight behind behind me, and my weight is in
Speaker 2: the pussy. Honestly, Nicole. One of her best performances I
Speaker 2: Robin Wigert, one of her best Robin Wigert, Laura d
Speaker 2: to do Last Jedi end Big Little Lies she destroyed
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: That was the Diurnaissance. That was definitely the beginning of
Speaker 1: dinaissance that culminated in the Oscar.
Speaker 2: I also think this was huge for Oh yeah, this
Speaker 2: made Reese like like she always was, But like, I
Speaker 2: love this reach with this performance because I think there's
Speaker 2: something so true about it. Yes, like I think there's
Speaker 2: something so I love when she plays a little vicious, yes,
Speaker 2: like it's election.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it. I love it.
Speaker 2: And this is why you need to shut up when
Speaker 2: you say that she shouldn't have been in Gone Girl.
Speaker 2: I'm not over you guys doing this to me.
Speaker 1: We need to stop talking about Gone Girl.
Speaker 2: No good.
Speaker 1: Nothing good starts in a Gone Girl conversation here, that's
Speaker 1: a tailor lyric. These girls are still mad that I
Speaker 1: fucking hate Rosamond Big Little Lies. You know I do.
Speaker 1: You don't hate ro hater.
Speaker 2: I'm just like she doesn't.
Speaker 1: I don't care, and we all have the right to
Speaker 1: not care about someone. Okay, Emmy for Outstanding TV Movie.
Speaker 1: Interesting that this was. I didn't realize it was position
Speaker 1: this way, but the Sandra Nuperry episode of Black Mirror
Speaker 1: wan Best TV Movie. Mm. Yeah, they singled down an
Speaker 1: episode of a season of Black Mirror.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, cause I think that that's how they categorize
Speaker 2: that as opposed to limited series. Yeah, because I think
Speaker 2: that the Black Mirror things are isolated. Oh I see, Ice.
Speaker 2: I think that's why it has the title San Junaparo
Speaker 2: is because it's an isolated It's like a black mirror
Speaker 2: of production, icee Ic. I.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm well, I don't know whose who the fuck knows?
Speaker 1: This was I think also the year that streamers finally
Speaker 1: took home trophies MS. Yeah, like it started with like
Speaker 1: how's your House of Cards or Orangers and New Blacks.
Speaker 1: But this was the first year twenty seventeen where now
Speaker 1: it feels like so normal. But it's like this was
Speaker 1: the first year where Hollywood was like, oh, okay, I
Speaker 1: guess the Hulus and the Netflixes and these other things
Speaker 1: are and it was back then it was just maybe
Speaker 1: it was mainly those two, but it was like the
Speaker 1: first year Hollywood it was like, I guess we can
Speaker 1: like pump all this money and resources into the streaming
Speaker 1: shows we care about awards, which of course they do. Yeah,
Speaker 1: these can take home the gold.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh, Girls, Air series finale Okay, so I couldn't find
Speaker 1: too many big premieres.
Speaker 2: Big mouth Glow, Feud, Betty and Joan. That's I guess
Speaker 2: relevant because there's finally a new season of Feud coming.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited, and the good fight began. Girls aired
Speaker 2: a series finale.
Speaker 1: What a moment.
Speaker 2: What a moment I mean, I think the penultimate episode
Speaker 2: of Girls is one of my favorite episodes of Girls.
Speaker 1: And then the series finale. I love the finale. I
Speaker 1: didn't like it. I loved the final shot. Sure of
Speaker 1: the latch.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's actually really funny when you think about it's
Speaker 2: as a the final shot in the first shot. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm a growing girl, I'm a growing girt where she's
Speaker 2: she's eating.
Speaker 1: Wow. The final shot is the baby, I know. I
Speaker 1: guess like it was, you know what.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the swing. I was just like, ugh, I
Speaker 2: never want anyone moving to the suburbs. That's there is Like,
Speaker 2: I know, there's something so.
Speaker 1: Something, there's something unsettling about seeing Hannah and Marnie together
Speaker 1: in a house like all the way right outside the city,
Speaker 1: Like there's something that should be disorienting, the fact that
Speaker 1: Marnie never changes. I love Arnie is one of our
Speaker 1: great the characters.
Speaker 2: We've said at a million times, Marnie is such a
Speaker 2: true character from your twenties. Yes, that's awesome about that,
Speaker 2: Like Marnie is so that girl and she'll always be
Speaker 2: and you all and we all know a Marnie.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And also the fact that they're like not friends at
Speaker 2: the end of their twenties is sad but also very true,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, And it feels like they're
Speaker 2: only the real can relate. Yeah, Lena Euastick, you went
Speaker 2: to dinner in State and you went to dinner Stick.
Speaker 2: We talked about the deaths.
Speaker 1: Trump is inaugurated. He begins his first term with the
Speaker 1: travel Man horrible. This was the year of like of course,
Speaker 1: like first Army, you know, his staff turnovers really wild.
Speaker 1: This was the year that like Scaramouchi happened. I wrote
Speaker 1: down remember that whole thing.
Speaker 2: Honestly, there's been so much bullshit turnover with the scandals
Speaker 2: of Trump that I barely even remember Scar. Like these
Speaker 2: words are like buzzwords to me, Like Scarrawochi is like
Speaker 2: a buzzword to me.
Speaker 5: But I'm like, oh, it's just so oh triggering, and
Speaker 5: like yeah, like I can't believe Russian investigation, North Korea,
Speaker 5: US pulling out at the Paris Climate Agreement to find
Speaker 5: the rest of the year politically me too happens enters
Speaker 5: its full swing by the next year and the awards.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was when I remember being on Twitter at
Speaker 2: this time, and well, it's interesting because I went through
Speaker 2: something in two thousand and nine that I didn't realize
Speaker 2: actually happened to me until twenty seventeen, because I remember
Speaker 2: I think this was the case with a lot of people,
Speaker 2: like seeing those stories shared like triggered something in me
Speaker 2: that like actually like awoke a memory. And so it's
Speaker 2: interesting again that we picked this year out because it's
Speaker 2: like two thousand and nine was when it happened and
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen because I had literally blacked it out and
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen is when it came back. And what triggered
Speaker 2: the memory was someone was saying in an account of
Speaker 2: being like trapped in a location with someone that they trusted. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and that was like, where have I heard that before?
Speaker 2: And then I realized that was my experience. Without getting
Speaker 2: into it too much, but I do also want to
Speaker 2: say because I think because this is something from this year.
Speaker 1: I think this is really important to say.
Speaker 2: Last night I landed back in New York and I
Speaker 2: was thinking about this episode because I was reading the
Speaker 2: document that you made and I saw this part of.
Speaker 1: It, and I literally even thought about, like I thought for.
Speaker 2: A second about like expanding on what I talked about
Speaker 2: for the two thousand and nine year and I realized
Speaker 2: how scared I was to even talk about it at
Speaker 2: the time now now, because I am so unsure that
Speaker 2: the person who was responsible for that would not like
Speaker 2: come after me in some way because they have Like
Speaker 2: I remember, yeah, I shared this on another podcast and
Speaker 2: it got back to the person and I had to
Speaker 2: name the person.
Speaker 1: I didn't go on about it, but right, so, why
Speaker 1: would they ever fucking feel like a victim in this situation?
Speaker 2: Well, they attacked me repeatedly over the phone online, And
Speaker 2: also I just want to say, like, if you have
Speaker 2: respect for me, and like you're not gonna like try
Speaker 2: to find it and unearth it like this podcast or whatever.
Speaker 2: Like I don't like I'm saying, it's like just like
Speaker 2: let's leave it alone. But what I think is really
Speaker 2: important is the fact that like years later, fifteen years later,
Speaker 2: I'm still unsure about and scared to even go there
Speaker 2: because you're thinking about that, because I'm thinking about retribution
Speaker 2: from someone who literally doesn't really matter, And so I
Speaker 2: want people to really think about that in context of
Speaker 2: how difficult it is for some of these people for
Speaker 2: anyone to come forward to expand on something like this,
Speaker 2: especially when there are still power dynamics that played, because
Speaker 2: I'm talking about something where there is no power dynamic
Speaker 2: at play. I'm talking about something where I don't even
Speaker 2: wish this person ill. I don't think they're a bad person.
Speaker 2: I think we were in a situation where boundaries were violated,
Speaker 2: and I think you're still protecting them, and because I'm afraid,
Speaker 2: because I don't want to deal with it. But what
Speaker 2: I want to say is that I think it's really
Speaker 2: important to acknowledge my fear in even getting into it,
Speaker 2: and say that that fear is so real for everyone,
Speaker 2: and it endures and it doesn't go away, and it
Speaker 2: takes a really long time to figure out how you
Speaker 2: feel about it, to even really confirm that it even happened.
Speaker 2: Because a big part of that realization and that trigger
Speaker 2: was me going back and forth with myself that can
Speaker 2: have happened, that can have happened. I have to be
Speaker 2: making it up.
Speaker 1: I have to be exaggerating it. I have to be wrong.
Speaker 2: I'm not wrong. I'm not exaggerating. It did happen, and
Speaker 2: it affected me for a really long time, and there
Speaker 2: is still an element of fear and discomfort and insecurity
Speaker 2: that comes with getting into it, because I still fear
Speaker 2: like retaliation, and I also fear honestly hurting that person.
Speaker 2: And I just want to put that out there as
Speaker 2: a thing that is a byproduct of this whole very
Speaker 2: important movement. Is that that insecurity and that like hesitancy
Speaker 2: to put yourself out there and get behind something like this,
Speaker 2: even if you were really really really changed and really hurt,
Speaker 2: still remains the same. So that's I guess the way
Speaker 2: I want to that's my pull when it comes to
Speaker 2: this topic coming up on the podcast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was a very exposed moment in
Speaker 1: so many ways, but in terms of the nervous system,
Speaker 1: of the coctive nervous system was so raw, and.
Speaker 2: Prince Harry and Megan Mark got engaged that year, So
Speaker 2: that was amazing.
Speaker 1: Oh God, I means Charlottesville. Colin Kaepernick, who started kneeling
Speaker 1: in twenty sixteen, but then by twenty seventeen it was
Speaker 1: more quote unquote widely engaged with by other NFL players.
Speaker 1: It wasn't that many, and it was I mean, remember
Speaker 1: all that, like, this was a pretty hopeless year.
Speaker 2: This is a this is not a I remember the
Speaker 2: year ending, and it was one of those years where
Speaker 2: it was like, twenty eighteen, it's gonna be better, Oh,
Speaker 2: like it has to be.
Speaker 1: Oh god, this was a dark year. This is not
Speaker 1: a good year.
Speaker 2: But you know, in the positives, this was the year
Speaker 2: we did our first full year of Lost Culture. Yes,
Speaker 2: I know twenty sixteen was the first year, but it
Speaker 2: feels like twenty seventeen was kind of the first year
Speaker 2: because this is the when the podcast really got in
Speaker 2: full swing. We did our first I don't Think so
Speaker 2: Honey Live, which I think is when we realized we
Speaker 2: had something going.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, March twenty first, twenty seventeen, and that was
Speaker 1: like about the year anniversary of the podcast itself. Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: a nice little marker there. We closed out the year
Speaker 1: with Cultu War.
Speaker 2: Which was an I don't Think So Honey competition where
Speaker 2: Bowen and I both had teams yes, I was the
Speaker 2: team of fire.
Speaker 1: You were the team of ice. Annie Donnelly came and said, look,
Speaker 1: I will never I left my body when Annie Donley
Speaker 1: was walked down the this.
Speaker 2: Like high drag. Look it was amazing. She and Michelle
Speaker 2: Collins had tension between them.
Speaker 1: The Cult War was won by Pat Reagan. Was this
Speaker 1: the birth of these young girls?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 1: That was podcast?
Speaker 2: These young girls? Was?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey live I did the first
Speaker 1: one of these young girls.
Speaker 2: Name was someone to he like pulled out. I was like,
Speaker 2: I booked. Oh my god, these young girls easy young.
Speaker 1: I forget what he did to win.
Speaker 2: But Pat Reagan was the winner of culture war, was
Speaker 2: the winner, and he's the winner of our hearts? Was it?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: No, Rachel Pigrim one, wait no, rachelm I believe Pat
Speaker 2: Reagan won culture And we're not rewriting history. Pat Reagan
Speaker 2: did when cultu war. Yes, you read Rachel Peagrim's fantastic
Speaker 2: comedian Francisco clusterst Yes, Oh my god. Wow remember the
Speaker 2: era of competitive I don't think so hard, but this
Speaker 2: has taught me a valuable lesson that I still haven't
Speaker 2: forgotten to this day. Like competition frameworks really upset people.
Speaker 1: M hmm. They're really emotional. People get truly hurt for
Speaker 1: a good reason if they lose something. Even though you
Speaker 1: think that the tone of it is frivolous and fun
Speaker 1: and like it's we're not taking it too seriously. No,
Speaker 1: if there's any element of competitiveness, it is devastating. If
Speaker 1: you're not, I'll.
Speaker 2: Never forget some of the faces of the people that lost, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it did not feel good.
Speaker 1: It did not feel good. I don't want to recreate that.
Speaker 1: Never again.
Speaker 2: They're never again doing something competitive ever ever, except for
Speaker 2: dueling star shows star Starfall Racer, Starfall Racer, but that
Speaker 2: will be a scripted feature film.
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna pitch it. I have a movie idea,
Speaker 1: but not not for Starfall Racers. Well, don't say it
Speaker 1: on Mike thought' steal it. No, I know I have
Speaker 1: a new idea. Our producer beck and just nodded, like
Speaker 1: to ourself. She was like, yeah, I shouldn't say it.
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So that is twenty seventeen. So yeah, not excavated. Excavated?
Speaker 2: Am I did I? You did amazing? No, but I'm saying,
Speaker 2: did I fuck this? From the get go in terms
Speaker 2: of like the attitude of the year. This was a no,
Speaker 2: this was a ranscid year. This was not a good year.
Speaker 2: But there were cultural high points that we remember fondly.
Speaker 1: But I think the only high point I remember fondly besides,
Speaker 1: like even the art was dark. Last Jedi reputation, right,
Speaker 1: But I'm like Ladybird love Phantom Thread, love love love love.
Speaker 1: Reputation was the redeeming. Reputation was the thing that saved
Speaker 1: us me at least. So there's that Zo, don't blame
Speaker 1: me alone.
Speaker 2: May be crazy if it doesn't you Jo when it ride,
Speaker 2: it's time. Oh by the way, Okay, So I did
Speaker 2: not travel with the Goblet of Cultural Years because it's
Speaker 2: too heavy. It's a real goblet. There's a nasty rumor
Speaker 2: out there that it's an ice bucket. It's actually a
Speaker 2: centuries old, thousand pound goblet that has been in my
Speaker 2: apartment for centuries, and it had the years written into it.
Speaker 2: It actually already had them for a century. And so
Speaker 2: before I left, I did pick a year out of
Speaker 2: the bowl. And I haven't told my sister what it is.
Speaker 2: I am ready to reveal at this time that not
Speaker 2: next week. With the week after because we have a
Speaker 2: guest next week. The year we will cultural excavate is
Speaker 2: oh my god, Oh my god, nineteen ninety three, nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety three, Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: Yes, Eastlet New Blar, going to Eastland, New Blar. Wow,
Speaker 1: that is coming up.
Speaker 2: That is a good year. It's a really good leader
Speaker 2: and this and not too much personal experience to drat
Speaker 2: them because we were but toddlers. Well, I have some
Speaker 2: things we could expand on some of my first memories
Speaker 2: to begin to absolutely.
Speaker 1: Remember where we were. Kind of okay, so it's time
Speaker 1: for I don't think so, honey. This is our segment
Speaker 1: where we take one minute to really get something in culture.
Speaker 1: Do you have something, mat? Oh? Yeah, okay, this is
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as time starts.
Speaker 2: I don't think so, honey. People who criticize Taylor Swift
Speaker 2: for the carbon emissions of her private jet, I want
Speaker 2: you to really think this through. So what do you
Speaker 2: want her to fly commercial? Do you want Taylor Swift
Speaker 2: to show up at the airport on the day where
Speaker 2: you're traveling. I don't think so, honey, that you do,
Speaker 2: because that would be a safety issue for her and
Speaker 2: for all, we have not created a society that is
Speaker 2: responsible enough or safe enough for her to what fly commercial?
Speaker 2: You think that she can sit in Delta one, everyone
Speaker 2: past her and it be a safe atmosphere. She has
Speaker 2: to fly private, y'all, so that she can help the
Speaker 2: economy in such a way. And before you get into
Speaker 2: it about ah, they're a second fash. She never does
Speaker 2: anything wrong. Shut the fuck up, think about think one
Speaker 2: step ahead of your argument. Yes, it's funny to point
Speaker 2: to the sky and see a plane and say, ooh,
Speaker 2: Taylor Swift. Make your jokes, but don't actually drag her
Speaker 2: for flying private because you don't want to fly in commercial.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. That's one minute. The thing
Speaker 1: about carbon emissions from private planes is that overall the footprint,
Speaker 1: while not negligible, is also like not big enough for
Speaker 1: people to get too riled up about. Well, that's not
Speaker 1: what happens.
Speaker 2: What do you mean, because they do get riled No,
Speaker 2: of course, I'm saying like there are unwarranted There are
Speaker 2: climate scientists who have come out and been like, it's
Speaker 2: not the thing to be mad about. It's bad, it's
Speaker 2: not great, but it's not the thing that like it's
Speaker 2: not a thing to necessarily crucify, not that we're doing that,
Speaker 2: not that anyone's doing that, but it's like there are
Speaker 2: huger fish to fry.
Speaker 1: What would happen if she showed up to Delta? What
Speaker 1: would happen if you were at Hudson News buying a
Speaker 1: pack of gum and thousands of people fucking descended on
Speaker 1: the magazine rap because Taylor wanted to pick up a
Speaker 1: copy of US Weekly? Would she's wont to do? You
Speaker 1: would hate your fucking life. You would say, get on
Speaker 1: the PJ. I don't go to Turturbuo.
Speaker 2: I don't want this. And even if she were to
Speaker 2: like buy out a plane, it would be a problem,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like there is literally no winning in the situation.
Speaker 2: I get it, Like when a celebrity is in a
Speaker 2: certain place, like and they're really high, it's the instinct
Speaker 2: to want to tear them down and find something. This
Speaker 2: can't really be the thing because she has to travel,
Speaker 2: and she has to do it in a way that's
Speaker 2: gonna be like sustainable and safe for not just her
Speaker 2: but everyone. And you see the fervor and the fandom
Speaker 2: around her to the point where like she cannot live
Speaker 2: a normal life, so how is she supposed to travel
Speaker 2: in a normal fashion? It just doesn't make any sense.
Speaker 2: And the reason I say this is because there's all
Speaker 2: this hell of balloo about is she gonna travel back
Speaker 2: from Tokyo to go to the super Bowl, which, yeah,
Speaker 2: she is.
Speaker 1: She's not gonna miss the super Bowl. I really don't
Speaker 1: think she's Travis's good luck term.
Speaker 2: And someone was like, well, that jet's gonna be jetting,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yet it is because she can't get
Speaker 2: on a plane like you and I. There's no direct
Speaker 2: flight from Tokyo to Vegas. Okay, can you imagine tailor
Speaker 2: stuff's in a commercial layover? I mean, yeah, Tokyo to
Speaker 2: lax To to Vegas, tail her stuff. I'm the Lax
Speaker 2: to Vegas. You are making me laugh. You are making
Speaker 2: me laugh thinking about Taylor Swift on the Lax to Vegas.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny. I'm laughing.
Speaker 2: I'm laughing.
Speaker 1: I just think it's so silly.
Speaker 2: It's just like, Wow, we're so excited to get a
Speaker 2: tweet out there, We're so excited to post a story
Speaker 2: that we don't even really realize how dumb we sound.
Speaker 2: Like if she were to show up at the airport,
Speaker 2: it would be pandemoniusa.
Speaker 1: For me, it just comes down to, like, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: defer to the experts, and the experts are saying it's
Speaker 1: not the thing. Yes it's there's a footprint, but it's
Speaker 1: not the giant fucking big Foot album cover. Sorry to
Speaker 1: bring it up again, It's not like that level. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know. I just think it's just funny the way
Speaker 1: that people work themselves up and like get so.
Speaker 2: Excited to have something to say, and meanwhile it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: but if you use a critical thinking, if you use
Speaker 2: critical thinking for even two seconds, you can get to
Speaker 2: this next conclusion. What do you want not Matt invoking
Speaker 2: critical thinking. I'm telling you I should really be an
Speaker 2: ap comp again. Missus Marr would be like, I just
Speaker 2: think he went to dinner in steak. He went to
Speaker 2: dinner in stake. This is not I'm not calling my
Speaker 2: sister out because you never do this, you rarely do this.
Speaker 1: But red giant, red flag when someone oh, because Anna
Speaker 1: Marie does this calls them identify so strongly as a
Speaker 1: critical thinker in an argument. Oh yeah, Like, don't say that.
Speaker 1: You don't have to fucking say that. Well, she's literally not.
Speaker 1: It's just embarrassing.
Speaker 2: She's she's full fucking flop. I just actually talked to
Speaker 2: a medical professional the other day, like an actual doctor,
Speaker 2: uh huh, And I was like, are you up on
Speaker 2: the Anna Marie stuff on Beverly Hills And she was like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, it's so humiliating. She's like because the thing
Speaker 2: a like anesthesiologist and CRNA is like that there is
Speaker 2: real tension there.
Speaker 1: Ure she's so attached to this identity and she's weaponizing
Speaker 1: it against someone's like actual, actual medical condition, actual medical condition,
Speaker 1: and she's like truly gaslighting Crystal in a lot of
Speaker 1: instances and being fucking menacing. I'm just like, girl, lay off,
Speaker 1: you're not coming back.
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, we have a very close friend
Speaker 2: who literally has what Sutton has and it is a
Speaker 2: real thing and it is not diet related, it is
Speaker 2: not lifestyle related.
Speaker 1: It is a thing that is.
Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: And and Nicole Martin in the best way where it's
Speaker 1: like to stoop to that level as a medical professional
Speaker 1: is so fucking crazy.
Speaker 2: Well, by the way, what I hated about Beverly Hills
Speaker 2: this last episode was Crystal's going for Anna Marie and
Speaker 2: going FORO Marie and going for Ana Marie, and then
Speaker 2: like nearly dies on a mountain, and now she's at
Speaker 2: her mercy.
Speaker 1: And it's like Crystal cannot catch a fucking break, she cannot.
Speaker 2: Catch a fucking brick because at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: like even if she is right about this whole thing,
Speaker 2: she went and almost died on the mountain. And then
Speaker 2: now she's like at her mercy, like holding her hand
Speaker 2: in the car like, and Anna Maria.
Speaker 1: Gets to look like the hero in this situation. There's
Speaker 1: a kind of poetry to it.
Speaker 2: Well, the valor is.
Speaker 1: Not stolen, but it is like miss misbegotten. That's all.
Speaker 1: It's just funny.
Speaker 2: Okay, I have are you ready?
Speaker 1: I do so.
Speaker 2: I'm so thrilled because this is Bowen Yang's I don't
Speaker 2: think so, honey. And let me tell you something. His
Speaker 2: time starts now, I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: Let's leave Martin Short Meryl Streep alone and let them
Speaker 1: enjoy their lives. Let's not probe too much about what
Speaker 1: it is, what the nature of it is. I think
Speaker 1: these are two people who, if they are romantically linked,
Speaker 1: deserve each other they are two of our great American treasures,
Speaker 1: and I think we should just let them be. They
Speaker 1: have both suffered loss, and they have both gone through deep,
Speaker 1: deep romantic tumult, and I think they should. They deserve
Speaker 1: each other and let's leave them alone. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of rumors flying. I think we should just let them.
Speaker 1: If they're fucking, let them fuck. If they're being friends,
Speaker 1: let them be friends. We're kind of trying to excavate
Speaker 1: something a little too aggressively, and I think that's okay.
Speaker 1: We can't blame ourselves for that. But we also have
Speaker 1: to leave them alone. These are really, really beautiful people.
Speaker 1: We love their work so much. We have an emotion
Speaker 1: parasocial connection to them. But we have to leave it alone.
Speaker 1: We have to let them be them.
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm you really left them alone there.
Speaker 2: I know I'm being ironically, I know I'm a slaved
Speaker 2: when you left them alone just there.
Speaker 1: This is the only thing I'll say. I know I'm
Speaker 1: not leaving them alone by bringing this up, but I'm saying,
Speaker 1: let's let them be. They're so obviously together. Two.
Speaker 2: It's so funny because it's like, no, we're just we
Speaker 2: just are just very good friends and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's what you say, but that's fine, let's leave Let's.
Speaker 1: Leave it at that. I love it.
Speaker 2: I think that is confirmation enough. Love it, love it
Speaker 2: for them whatever. It is, very good friends, fuck buddies.
Speaker 2: But if they had released the statement that were like,
Speaker 2: we are not together, but we are fuck buddies, I
Speaker 2: would say on Tuesday nights, we watched vander Pump and
Speaker 2: we fuck, I would be so happy. Here's the truth
Speaker 2: and this is a joint statement. Meryl Streve and Martin
Speaker 2: Short have been friends for years. During the production of
Speaker 2: Only Murders Season three, they decided to become fuck Buddies
Speaker 2: and vander Pump.
Speaker 1: Rules co viewers all viewers.
Speaker 2: Meryl has a huge television as you can imagine, she's
Speaker 2: an empty nester.
Speaker 1: The kids are grown Mary and on the Gilded Age.
Speaker 2: So Marty comes over and they have sex in two
Speaker 2: to three positions for fifteen to twenty minutes. They are
Speaker 2: FWB's and some of the bees are vander Pump. They
Speaker 2: do this before vander Pump. So they fuck order Goop
Speaker 2: Kitchen and they watched vander Pump Rules. Post nut clarity.
Speaker 1: They're watching vander Pump rules and having the right takes
Speaker 1: because they are what empty mind shit, They're on their
Speaker 1: empty mind shit.
Speaker 2: They both get the Kariokee bully and are excited about
Speaker 2: La La Kent's journey this season every season Team Marianna.
Speaker 1: Of course, they're gonna see her in Chicago. They're gonna
Speaker 1: see her in Chicago. And guess what. They never liked
Speaker 1: sandal Ball.
Speaker 2: They were always on the right side. They were always
Speaker 2: on the right side. They always called her a Rachel,
Speaker 2: they always damed her.
Speaker 1: Was this one of the best episodes? This was one
Speaker 1: of the best episodes. Becca is literally waving.
Speaker 2: She just went like this, Becca, just telling you this.
Speaker 2: Yeah she did it, but she did something else. She's
Speaker 2: really excited about the quality of this episode.
Speaker 1: As am I.
Speaker 2: If you think we weren't being real on this episode,
Speaker 2: you you must be fooling. You're a trader.
Speaker 1: You're a trader.
Speaker 2: You're a fucking trader. Now you're a fucking trader. You're
Speaker 2: the biggest fucking trader here. Now you're a trader. Bitch,
Speaker 2: Santra versus Janelley table. Can we play this very important
Speaker 2: cameo that you dug out.
Speaker 1: From years ago?
Speaker 2: Okay, so I wanted to congratulate Bowen on getting cast
Speaker 2: on Saturday Night Live years ago and at the time,
Speaker 2: Sandra Diaz Twine was on Cameo Baby, and this is
Speaker 2: going to be played in lieu.
Speaker 1: Of the song this week. Yes, we end every episode
Speaker 1: with a song, but not this week.
Speaker 4: Hey Bowen, it's your girl, Sassy, Sandra the Queen, and
Speaker 4: this shout out is for you from Matt. He wanted
Speaker 4: me to put a smile.
Speaker 2: On your face today.
Speaker 4: Brighten up your speirarits actually you guys put a smile
Speaker 4: on my face and brightened up my Thank you so
Speaker 4: much for being huge survivor fan, and Bowen, thank you
Speaker 4: for having faith in me, cheering me on esk for
Speaker 4: me every single time that I've p especially during winners
Speaker 4: at War. You know, it wasn't easy to go out
Speaker 4: there after idols of the idols, you know, I had
Speaker 4: to spend thirty six.
Speaker 2: Days already in Fiji, and then my.
Speaker 4: Twenty four foot total was still out there.
Speaker 1: For allers to see.
Speaker 2: They were not amused.
Speaker 4: My target was already big, you know, like I had
Speaker 4: the biggest target on my back being that I was
Speaker 4: the only two time winner.
Speaker 1: And then the totem did not, but it is what
Speaker 1: it is.
Speaker 4: But Bowen, Matt, thank you guys for being there for
Speaker 4: Survival week after week, season after season, year after year.
Speaker 4: Bow and I especially want to congratulate you on being
Speaker 4: a cast member of Saturday Night Live and of course
Speaker 4: for completing your first season. And I'm sure your legacy
Speaker 4: on Saturday Night Live will be like mine on Survivor
Speaker 4: right now seventeen years later, to still be a part
Speaker 4: of the show.
Speaker 1: And that's what I wish for you.
Speaker 4: That you will be there season after season and year
Speaker 4: after year so.
Speaker 1: That we can all watch you at work.
Speaker 4: And you, guys, take care of yourselves, Okay, Queen stays
Speaker 4: Queen Adios, Bye bye,