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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and start with this d one.

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Speaker 2: Guys, so you've got bybe getting asked whether or not

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Speaker 2: Israel is a US protectorate. Pretty interesting comments here. Let's

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Speaker 2: take a listen.

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Speaker 5: To that Israel is becoming some kind of a sales

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Speaker 5: state or protectorate of the United States, not only an

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Speaker 5: advisort what to do, but also command and what to do.

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Speaker 5: Why do you both comment on that? And I want

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Speaker 5: to put it very clearly. You know, one week they

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Speaker 5: say that Israel controls the United States. Clear to say

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Speaker 5: the United States controls Israel. This is all guash. We

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Speaker 5: have a partnership and alliance of partners. We share common

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Speaker 5: values with common goals. We can have discussions, we can

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Speaker 5: have disagreements here and there, but on the whole, I

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Speaker 5: have to say that in the past year we've had

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Speaker 5: agreement agreement not only on goals but how to reach them,

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Speaker 5: and I think we're pursuing them successfully.

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Speaker 2: So interesting to you to say the Vice president standing

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Speaker 2: there well BB is taking that question saga.

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Speaker 3: It is about as close to screw you as it

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Speaker 3: can be mustered in diplomatic speak, especially when you tack

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Speaker 3: on this. Let's go and put the next part up

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Speaker 3: on the screen. The Kannesse while JD. Vance, the Vice President,

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Speaker 3: was in the country, approved a bill to apply is

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Speaker 3: reely sovereignty in the West Bank.

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Speaker 1: Quote.

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Speaker 3: The proposal would say that the laws, judicial system administration

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Speaker 3: sovereignty of the State of Israel shall apply to all

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Speaker 3: areas of settlement in Judea and Samaria. It is a

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Speaker 3: twenty five twenty four vote after a quote heated discussion,

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Speaker 3: and it is one where they stipulate not only what

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Speaker 3: I just read, but that it would actually apply in principle.

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Speaker 3: So the difference here is that technically it was symbolic.

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Speaker 3: The government is not going to officially carrate this out now, frankly,

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Speaker 3: considering how we have covered the West Bank at this

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Speaker 3: point with Jasper Nathaniel, it already exists, but it's.

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Speaker 1: Effectively a symbolic thing at this point.

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Speaker 3: Nonetheless, it was again as big of a diplomatic fu

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Speaker 3: as they could muster, not only from BB because it

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Speaker 3: was not just the protectorate conversation, the private conversations at

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Speaker 3: least some of it were leaked to various different reporters

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Speaker 3: where JD is begging them basically saying, give the ceasefire

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Speaker 3: a chance. It's like a meme, please give piece a chance.

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Speaker 3: They're like, please, please just try it. You know you

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Speaker 3: may enjoy it. It may actually work. And in addition,

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Speaker 3: not only to the ceasfire conversation that's been happening with

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Speaker 3: the US administration and others is that they are not

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Speaker 3: doing enough to address the actual underlying dynamic of the

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Speaker 3: government itself, like you had Smotrich and ke Ben Gevier too,

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Speaker 3: members of the government who are outwardly I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is just today he says, this is from Smodri if

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Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia is telling us that in return for normalization,

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Speaker 3: they want a Palestinian state. We will say, friends, no,

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Speaker 3: thank you. You can continue riding camels on the sand

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Speaker 3: in the Saudi Desert, okay. And these are the people,

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Speaker 3: these are the people whose troops are supposed to be

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Speaker 3: patrolling Gaza right right.

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Speaker 1: And then in addition to the fact.

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Speaker 4: That the plan riding money for the reconstruction and.

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Speaker 3: Providing the money for the reconcern, they don't want any

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Speaker 3: of this to work out.

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Speaker 1: And it's like America is stuck pretending in.

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Speaker 3: This dream like state where the Israeli government actually wants.

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Speaker 3: They don't want a seaspiero that all, Why do we

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Speaker 3: keep the pretense, Like, guys, just be honest about what's

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Speaker 2: That's one of the things that drives me the most

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Speaker 2: how much bakery there is from you know, American politicians

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Speaker 2: they're just openly saying and then we just have to

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Speaker 2: know what's going on. It's one of the things that

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Speaker 2: makes me the most insane. On the West Bank point,

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Speaker 2: I mean, Jade Vance was annoyed by this because it

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Speaker 2: annexing the West Bank was strange. If it was a

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Speaker 2: political stunt, it was a foolish political stunt. I was

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Speaker 2: offended by it. We will not allow Israel to annex

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Speaker 2: the West Bank, and we were not pleased with this vote.

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Speaker 2: Of course, the reality is they have allowed Israel to

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Speaker 2: annex the West Bank. This was a key priority of

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Speaker 2: top donor Miriam Adelson, and they've allowed mass settlements to

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Speaker 2: go for including as Jasper Nathaniel has pointed out, some

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Speaker 2: extremely consequent ones that basically, you know, end the viability

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Speaker 2: of a Palestinian state to include the West Bank mac

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Speaker 2: also just sent us this.

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Speaker 4: Apparently they are.

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Speaker 2: Getting rid within Israel entirely of even the language West

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Speaker 2: Bank in favor of the biblical, biblical term Judea and Samaria.

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Speaker 2: So another symbolic move to assert their own sovereignty over

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Speaker 2: this area and these people, the parts of the West

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Speaker 2: the Palestinian authority, which are collaborators anyway, but in reality,

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Speaker 2: you know, Israel controls the nature of their day to

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Speaker 2: whether they can harvest their olives free from free from

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Speaker 2: rampaging settlers or not. And so de facto annexation has

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Speaker 2: already happened. It would have to be rolled back. It

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Speaker 2: actually asserting themselves and saying this is unacceptable, and here's

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Speaker 2: what it's going to look like, and here's how we're

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Speaker 2: going to get to some sort of peace and justice

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Speaker 2: for Palestinians.

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Speaker 4: For that to happen.

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Speaker 2: Right now, they've got their hands fuld just keeping Israel

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Speaker 4: So at the.

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Speaker 2: Same time, let's talk a little bit about the idea

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Speaker 2: for quote unquote phase two. We could put D three

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Speaker 2: up on the screen. So this is some Wall Street

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Speaker 2: journal reporting, and it dovetails very well with what we

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Speaker 2: the West Bank, because this plan looks a lot like

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Speaker 2: they want to turn Gaza effectively into a new West Bank.

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Speaker 2: So the headline here is a US plan splits Gaza

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Speaker 2: into one zone controlled by Israel and one by Hamas.

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Speaker 2: Now the reality on the ground right now, and they

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Speaker 2: say Jared Kushner floats a plan to rebuild the Israeli

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Speaker 2: controlled half of the Palaestin enclave until Hamas can be disarmed.

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Speaker 2: So right now, the reality on the ground is Israel

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Speaker 2: is still occupying fifty three percent of the Gaza strip.

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Speaker 2: And anytime anyone gets close to what they call the

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Speaker 2: yellow line, which doesn't exist like in reality and physical reality,

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Speaker 2: just like on a map and in their heads, anytime

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Speaker 2: any Palaestin gets close to that or wanders over it,

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Speaker 2: they shoot and kill them.

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Speaker 4: That is what we've seen in this quote unquote cease fire.

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Speaker 2: So they want to use the part that they occupy

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Speaker 2: as effectively a cudgel to begin the rebuilding process there

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Speaker 2: and allow potentially some of their you know, vetted like

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Speaker 2: gang affiliated people into that area, and then to use

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Speaker 2: that to pressure Hamas as like, now you have to

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Speaker 2: disarm because Palestinans want to come over and live in

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Speaker 2: this reconstructed area, and we're not going to do any

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Speaker 2: reconstruction in the area that the overwhelming number of Palestinians

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Speaker 2: remain in and that you remain in control of. So

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Speaker 2: that is the idea, you know. Interestingly, people just caught this.

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Speaker 2: I didn't note this from the sixty minutes interview with

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Speaker 2: Kushner and Witkof originally, but in that interview and it's

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Speaker 2: going to be D zero guys, Witkoff talks about how

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Speaker 2: they've been developing this quote unquote master plan for two

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Speaker 2: years and Jared Kushner gets a very uncomfortable look on

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Speaker 2: his face when Witcoff uses that language.

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Speaker 4: Let's go ahead and take a look at that.

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Speaker 6: Part of the plan is the reconstruction, the building rebuilding

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Speaker 6: of Gaza and your builders. You've been in real estate,

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Speaker 6: as you said, it's extremely complex. Tell us more about

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Speaker 6: the plan and how much it's going to cost, where's

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Speaker 6: the money going to come from, and who's going to

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Speaker 6: reward the contracts? Three questions.

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Speaker 7: I think it's going to cost a lot of money.

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Speaker 6: What's a lot of money?

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Speaker 5: You know, the.

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Speaker 7: Estimates are in the fifty billion dollar range. It might

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Speaker 7: be a little bit less, it might be a little

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Speaker 7: bit more. I happen to think that that's not a

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Speaker 7: lot of money. In that region. You have governments that

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Speaker 6: And so the Middle East countries are going to provide

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Speaker 7: What you'll see European participation and so forth. I think

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Speaker 7: the beginning of this plan is how to get it going,

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Speaker 7: and that's what me and what me and Jared work

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Speaker 7: on all the time. The money raising, we think is

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Speaker 7: the easy part. We think that happens relatively quickly. But

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Speaker 7: it's the master plan. And we're working with a group

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Speaker 7: of people who have been working on master plans for

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Speaker 6: So there are plans already.

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Speaker 7: We have plans already. We have a master plan already.

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Speaker 7: And by the way, and Jared's been pushing this and

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Speaker 7: we're working together on it, and I think if the

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Speaker 7: world saw the progress so far, they'd be pretty impressed.

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Speaker 2: So Witkoff says they've been working on a master plan

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Speaker 2: for two years.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is the master plan, and this is basically

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Speaker 3: the Yeah West wangification, they still have control. All of

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Speaker 3: this falls apart. It's really hard to take it seriously

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Speaker 3: because it's just it's fake. I mean, look at the

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Speaker 3: comments from the Finance minister about Saudi Arabia. Who do

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Speaker 3: you think the people would be responsible for quote unquote

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Speaker 3: disarming Hamas would be it would be the UAE, Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 3: The US JD and Trump both say no US troops

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Speaker 3: will ever set foot on the ground in Gaza. Great,

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Speaker 3: I mean, honestly I support that, but eventually somebody's troops

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Speaker 3: have got to set foot on the ground to have

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Speaker 3: political administration. Their plan is like some phase rollout where

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Speaker 3: they'll just encroach space by space Hamas will be allowed

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Speaker 3: and then they'll slowly dehmosify it.

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Speaker 1: How how do you do that? What does that look like?

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Speaker 3: At a certain point, it's all just recreating the same

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Speaker 3: dynamic as Iraq Afghanistan. These people have no actual plan.

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Speaker 3: In the absence, chaos will reign. Israel will continue to

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Speaker 3: will do, we'll see and then we'll be right back

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Speaker 3: Okay, now apply that to Israel and to see, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And that's why I would bet on the Israelis know

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Speaker 2: It was interesting that it was Rubio that had the

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Speaker 2: That's the thing that he actually cares about. And so

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Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, Marco, you talked to Lavrov. Yeah, Steven Miller,

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Speaker 2: why don't you run the immigration thing. Why don't you

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Speaker 2: guys work together on the Venezuela REGIMEA, Oh, you want

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Speaker 2: muster is like I was offended by that, Okay, but

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Speaker 2: you're not going to do anything about it, are you?

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Speaker 1: You get myired in that. Who cares about the israel

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Speaker 1: CIEs fire. This is the problem. You get yourself into

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Speaker 3: You don't have enough attention, you don't have a unified

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Speaker 3: things are going to go. Let's get to Venezuela. There's

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Speaker 1: Let's take a listen, A legal.

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Speaker 8: Authority if they do coms, yes we do, we have legos.

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Speaker 8: We're allowed to do that. And if we do buy land,

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Speaker 8: is a national security problem. They killed three hundred thousand

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Speaker 8: Now they'll be coming in by land a little bit

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Speaker 8: We know the boat almost immediately. You know, it's pretty

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Speaker 3: So yeah, now we are going to come to the land.

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Speaker 3: There was a new announcement of a strike on drug traffickers,

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Speaker 1: I can't give away all the details.

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Speaker 1: The drug thing is a pretext. It has nothing to

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it has to do with minerals, which will show

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Speaker 1: But it's scary. It's scary.

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Speaker 4: So maybe some of them are drug traffickers. We don't

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Speaker 2: Any of the literally any of them are, and they

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Speaker 2: Number two when he says we're going, you know, they're

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Speaker 2: going to come to the land. Maybe we'll go to Congress.

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Speaker 2: We don't have to go to Congress. Maybe we'll go

442
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Speaker 2: to Congress. Let's be really clear about what that means.

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Speaker 2: So right now we have random murder of potential fishermen

444
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Speaker 2: in you know, Caribbean and the Pacific. What he's proposing

445
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Speaker 2: is random murder of people here on the land.

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Speaker 4: That's what that expansion means.

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Speaker 2: So they are trying to claim the power to ur

448
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Speaker 2: betrayal to you know, unilaterally, just murder random people that

449
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Speaker 2: they announce the public or drug traffickers without providing evidence.

450
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Speaker 2: That is the power that they are trying to claim.

451
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Speaker 2: Maybe they'll go to Congress, and maybe they won't because

452
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Speaker 2: Trump doesn't seem to think that they have to. So

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Speaker 2: that's number two. Number three. Let me read to you

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Speaker 2: what Pete Hagsath tweeted out in response in you know,

455
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Speaker 2: to announce this latest murder at sea. He says, because

456
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Speaker 2: some of the language here is very important. So he says, today,

457
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Speaker 2: at the direction President Trump, the Department of War carried

458
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Speaker 2: out yet another lethal kinetic strike on a vessel operated

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Speaker 2: by a designated terrorist organization dto yetigan again, the now

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Speaker 2: deceased terrorists were engaged in narco trafficking in the Eastern Pacific.

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Speaker 4: We're just supposed to take the for that.

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Speaker 2: By the way, the vessel was known by our intelligence

463
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Speaker 2: to be involved in illicit narcotics smuggling, was transitting along

464
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Speaker 2: a non narcotrafficking route, and was carrying narcotics. Three male

465
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Speaker 2: narco terrorists were aboard the vessel during the strike, which

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Speaker 2: was conducted in international waters. All three terrorists were killed

467
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Speaker 2: and no US forces were harmed in this strike. These

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Speaker 2: strikes will continue day after day. These are not simply

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Speaker 2: drug runners. These are narco terrorists bringing death and destruction

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Speaker 2: to our cities. These DTOs are the al Qaeda of

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Speaker 2: our hemisphere and will not escape justice. We will find

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Speaker 2: them and kill them until the threat to the American

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Speaker 2: people is extinguished. So that language there saying these are

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Speaker 2: the al Qaidas of our hemisphere. That is the pretext,

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Speaker 2: the linguistic pretext that they're trying to use and convince

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Speaker 2: you of to allow them this unconscionable power grab.

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Speaker 4: That's the way they're framing it.

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Speaker 2: And I think, you know, the regime change part is terrified,

479
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Speaker 2: Like everyone should be very concerned about that, but it

480
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Speaker 2: should also be very concerning to you what they're already

481
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Speaker 2: doing and the powers that they're claiming for not only

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Speaker 2: these attacks on boats, but now trying to claim for

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Speaker 2: here domestically on US soil.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you're exactly right.

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Speaker 3: It is literally just GWATT GWAT logic, GWAT rhetoric, and

486
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Speaker 3: in some cases the new rhetoric is actually more extreme

487
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Speaker 3: than the GWAT because it no claim at time during

488
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Speaker 3: the war in Iraq, even when we were spreading democracy

489
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Speaker 3: apparently to Iraq and Afghanistan, did people come to the

490
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Speaker 3: airwaves and say that Iraq should be the fifty first state,

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Speaker 3: but did not put that past Lindsey Graham and Sean

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Speaker 3: Hannity on Fox News Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 9: I had a chat with you this weekend and I

494
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Speaker 9: thought you had a pretty darn good idea and you

495
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Speaker 9: said you were going to share it with the president.

496
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Speaker 9: I want to know if you did. And that is

497
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Speaker 9: this opposition leader in Venezuela that won the Nobel Prize

498
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Speaker 9: that said it really deserved to go to Donald Trump.

499
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Speaker 9: Sounds like a pretty good leader to me for the

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Speaker 9: people of Venezuela and the end of narco terrorism and

501
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Speaker 9: a better relationship with the US. Or if they choose

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Speaker 9: maybe the fifty first state, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Sounds good to be sounds good to me, fifty first

504
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Speaker 3: state of Venezuela. So you know, we can't simultaneously be

505
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Speaker 3: for mass deportation of Venezuelan migrants. What does Trump always

506
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 3: say is like they opened up the asylums, they opened

507
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Speaker 3: up the jails, and they sent them here. So we're

508
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Speaker 3: going to send them back and then we're going to

509
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,400
Speaker 3: create them and to turn them into and then they're

510
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Speaker 3: all gonna be citizens. Okay, Okay, let's not to mention

511
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Speaker 3: the fact that it would cause mass illegal migration, even

512
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Speaker 3: if there was some sort of regime collapse. Again, I

513
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 3: don't want to get too ahead of the story Ryan

514
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Speaker 3: and I are working on, but we have some bombshell

515
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Speaker 3: stuff that we can report, the intel stuff, frankly some

516
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Speaker 3: of the least interesting.

517
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Speaker 1: But the point I just want to stick to is.

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Speaker 3: There is no evidence that Maduro is actually like a

519
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Speaker 3: large scale drug trafficker. Number one, Number two, there's no

520
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Speaker 3: fentanel on any of these boats, Number three, these boats

521
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Speaker 3: all the current intellig does not even show that they're

522
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Speaker 3: necessarily heading for the United States. Number four, all of

523
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Speaker 3: the powers that are being claimed by the administration are

524
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Speaker 3: ones that the George W. Bush presidency and the Obama

525
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Speaker 3: presidency use as sweeping powers to be able to drone

526
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Speaker 3: strike and kill whoever they want. And five is actually Congress,

527
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Speaker 3: because the thing is is that nobody's really doing anything

528
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Speaker 3: about this inside of Congress. Like, look, this is I

529
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Speaker 3: always say this, The true true threat to America is

530
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Speaker 3: real bipartisanship, the stuff that everybody just comes ninety eight

531
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Speaker 3: zero votes on things like regime change in Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine,

532
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Speaker 3: and you only have a few shitsters like Rand Paul

533
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Speaker 3: and Thomas Massey willing to speak out. That's the real

534
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Speaker 3: danger to the country. I don't see any large scale

535
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Speaker 3: demonstration or you know, people like I'll give credit where

536
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 3: do but like, let's be honest, it's like a minority congressman,

537
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Speaker 3: a minority caucus in a minority like in a minority

538
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Speaker 3: ruling party of the House has no power to do anything.

539
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 3: Like there's no stand up about authorities here. It's it's

540
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Speaker 3: very area and it's moving much quicker. Again, I really

541
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 3: don't think that the media is covering this properly. Like

542
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Speaker 3: nobody points to the fact the United States Center saying

543
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: Venezuela should be a fifty first state combined with regime

544
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Speaker 3: change operations should freak everybody. It should be front page

545
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 3: international news. Yeah, and everyone's like, oh, yeah, I mean,

546
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:19,959
Speaker 3: we just struck. It's a two ocean war now, Like,

547
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Speaker 3: when's the last time the United States even did a

548
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Speaker 3: two ocean strike.

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Speaker 1: I don't even know.

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Speaker 2: And maybe, just maybe the opposition party should have something

551
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 2: to say about that, you know. I mean, you have

552
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Speaker 2: a few outliers like Rocana, but by and large they

553
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: are silent on I mean, it's just disappointment doesn't even

554
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Speaker 2: begin to describe it.

555
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Speaker 4: It really is like they barely exist.

556
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Speaker 2: And so part of the reason why the media doesn't

557
00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 2: cover it in the way that it is is because

558
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 2: in the way that it should is because they aren't

559
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Speaker 2: getting those signals from the opposition party of like, holy

560
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 2: this is really bad and making the case against this,

561
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Speaker 2: so the American people know what's going on and can

562
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Speaker 2: evaluate for themselves whether or not they'd be like to

563
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: be in a regime change war against Venezuela, or like

564
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 2: to be blowing up in Tumen in the Caribbean, or

565
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: like to have those powers brought here to domestic soil.

566
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Speaker 2: And so you know, there's it's astonishing to me how

567
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: little fight they have, how fraid they are of taking

568
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 2: him on anything outside of these few narrow issues. And

569
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: so that's part of why you don't have a mass

570
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Speaker 2: upset over this in the population, because there are so

571
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Speaker 2: few voices that are actually speaking on against it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, also let's say about Maga too. This

573
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Speaker 1: is part of why I.

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Speaker 3: Think Venezuela is more dangerous than Iran. And this will

575
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 3: sound crazy, like the operation is that there is no

576
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Speaker 3: organized or there is no organized rhetoric language or project

577
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,520
Speaker 3: that takes invading Venezuela as a serious thing and opposes it.

578
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 3: So an Iran, not nearly enough people spoke up, in

579
00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 3: my opinion, but there was an organized effort on the

580
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: right to speak up and to say that this is

581
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: a bad idea to pursue regime change in Iran and

582
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Speaker 3: to not allow the Israelis to go full on and

583
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Speaker 3: actually do it.

584
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Speaker 1: Now they still might, but to be.

585
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Speaker 3: Clear, at the time, there was a real, real, organized effort,

586
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 3: and the White House felt some pressure on Venezuela.

587
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Speaker 1: They feel nothing.

588
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 3: A huge part of the MAGA commentariat actually believes the

589
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 3: fentanyl claim. I don't know why. I mean, look, listen,

590
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 3: Ryan and I will put a story out soon.

591
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 1: He tells you.

592
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,280
Speaker 3: It's complete bullshit. You don't need to hear from me.

593
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 3: You can hear from a lot of other people. There's

594
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: no fentanyl in Venezuela. DEA statistics say there's no ventanyl

595
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,479
Speaker 3: in Venezuela. But they're like, these people killed my you know,

596
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 3: cousin or whatever from a heroin over to It's like, guys, no,

597
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: they didn't. Okay, I'm sorry, Like it didn't. I'm sorry

598
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,880
Speaker 3: that happened to you. But your literal emotions are being

599
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,280
Speaker 3: weaponized by the government for a legitimate neocon wet dream

600
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: of overthrowing Venezuela. So the fact that there's no organized

601
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: project actually seems to me like it's going to be

602
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 3: more likely because what MAGA likes is the expansion of

603
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 3: administrative power and strikes. It always feels good to blow

604
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:52,360
Speaker 3: up drug traffickers.

605
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: Again.

606
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 3: Again, it's not necessarily any evidence behind that, but they

607
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:58,200
Speaker 3: don't have a theory for how this can go badly, Like,

608
00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 3: you can't simultaneously oppose mass migration, which I do, and

609
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 3: which a lot of them ostensibly say. You can't talk

610
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: about trend Diarragua and Venezuelan and takeovers of neighborhoods and

611
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:11,239
Speaker 3: say that deposing the regime of Nicholas Maduro is going

612
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 3: to do anything about that same thing. You know, we

613
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 3: have allies neighbors in the region Colombia, and these are

614
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: thriving big countries Central America and also who we are

615
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 3: reliant on to make sure that you know, they are

616
00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: stemmed the crisis before it even comes here. Where do

617
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 3: you think they're all going to go? You know, in

618
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: the same route that they did under Biden. They're going

619
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: to flood the border. So just think about it. I mean,

620
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 3: maybe they won't make it here, they're going to make

621
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Speaker 3: it to you. And so there's an entire theory that

622
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: you know, is so obvious but has not yet been articulated.

623
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: And all they're hearing instead as Pete Hegseth Fox News

624
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: and Trump and others being like, oh, this is actually

625
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: the highest and best use of our military.

626
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Speaker 1: It's it's honestly scary. The internal dynamics. I'll just say it.

627
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 3: I mean, not that anybody listens to me, but you're

628
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 3: you're getting taken for a ride like this is complete

629
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:02,680
Speaker 3: bs one hundred percent. Every claim on the fentanyl drugs.

630
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's false, and they know it's false.

631
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 3: They stumbled on the drug thing after months to convince

632
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 3: Trump because originally.

633
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, he stole the election. Trump's like, I

634
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: don't care. Still he's They're like, he's bad, he's a murderer.

635
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: So I mean, what, well, we don't have murderers that we

636
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 3: do diplomatic relationship with who gives a shit what's going

637
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 3: on in Venezuela. But eventually they came down to drugs.

638
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Speaker 3: He seems to believe it based on this fake indictment

639
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 3: from twenty twenty and this new what is it, the

640
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 3: fifty million dollar bound bounty scary man.

641
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Speaker 4: Unbelievable.

642
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's It is terrifying how easily people can just

643
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 2: be talked into war, Like all you have to do

644
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: is hit whatever.

645
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 4: They're like policy of.

646
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Speaker 2: Rogin his Zona is Oh, they're they're narco terror is Sentinel,

647
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 2: and without any sort of critical thought, they're ready for

648
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 2: the next regime change war, and zero thought about what

649
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 2: the consequences of that will be, zero thought about whether

650
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 2: any of what they're being fed is truthful.

651
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 4: Crazy.

652
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 2: It's very disturbing to see.

653
00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 3: I can't be the only one which is watched with

654
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 3: great alarm as the entire White House East Wing will

655
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 3: now be demolished in favor of Donald Trump's announced presidential ballroom.

656
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 3: Here he is laying out the reasoning. Let me just

657
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 3: before we even play it, though, let me describe this.

658
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 3: Of course, he had announced his plans for the ballroom.

659
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: Whatever.

660
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 3: Okay, so he's going to build this new ballroom on

661
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 3: the White House campus. However, what actually comes out now

662
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: is that in order to build said ballroom, you have

663
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 3: to demolish the entire historical part of the East Wing.

664
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: Demolition pictures began to leak online. They eventually told them, hey,

665
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: stop taking pictures of it if you work in the

666
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 3: government and leaking it to the press. Then they said, oh,

667
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: only the facade itself will be destroyed. No, now they're

668
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: coming for the whole thing. Here's Trump laying it out.

669
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,320
Speaker 8: In order to do it properly, we had to take

670
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 8: down the existing structure. The way it was shown it

671
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 8: looked like we were touching the White House. We don't

672
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 8: touch the White House. That's a bridge at last bridge

673
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 8: going from the White House to the ballroom. Then you

674
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 8: get into the lobby of the ballroom, and then you

675
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 8: go into the magnificent the main room. And it's something

676
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 8: that has gotten incredible reviews.

677
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: Something that's gotten incredible reviews. Shall we let's review it.

678
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: We'll all review it together. Let's play it.

679
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: Let's let's put it up here on the screen. Yep,

680
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: here's the video.

681
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: That's the East Wing. That's a bulldozer they're taking it down.

682
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: This is from above the fence.

683
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: Again.

684
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 3: This is the historic East Wing part of the White

685
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 3: House where millions of tourists have gone. I've walked this

686
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 3: halls a lot of times. It's really nice. If you

687
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: ever had the ability to go to the Christmas tour

688
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 3: or anything like that. That's that's it, you know, all

689
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: right there in favor of this whatever. This is this

690
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 3: gigantic new footprint, the East Wing, the ballroom.

691
00:32:57,880 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: Look at that. Look at that.

692
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, you know, yeah, I don't even have words.

693
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: It's like the tackiest shit I've ever seen in my

694
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 3: entire life. I mean, just look at some of these renderings.

695
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: On the left, you can see the tiny little west

696
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: wing where the rose the colonnade, the rose garden, which,

697
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: by the way, is ort to destroyed the rose gardens.

698
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: On top of what you can see for the west wing,

699
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: the Oval the.

700
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 3: Magisterium of like the understated part of the Oval Office

701
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 3: in favor of a gilded age breaker style mansion of

702
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 3: a ballroom which will be used for how many times

703
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: in a year.

704
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: It's grotesque.

705
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I mean the one benefit is that

706
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 3: nobody in the like nobody's paying.

707
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: For it, like in terms of the taxpayers.

708
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, a parent it's gonna be some three hundred billion,

709
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 3: But even that it's being sponsored by some major corporation.

710
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 3: I mean, the thing that just gulls me about this

711
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: is the taste. It's so disconnected from American public history architecture,

712
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: you know, anything that even remotely calls back to our

713
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 3: reverence for our history. And you know, of course that

714
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 3: cope is like, oh well, Harry Truman remodeled. Yeah, it's

715
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 3: not the same, Okay, it's just not by the way

716
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: that one actually was in conjunction with the White House

717
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: Historical Association, was done because the White House was falling apart,

718
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 3: not because we need a fucking ballroom so that you

719
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 3: can entertain more than nine hundred guests.

720
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:18,040
Speaker 1: They even say.

721
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 3: They're going to modernize it, which makes me literally want

722
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 3: to have a brain aneurysm. If you've ever been to

723
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: the East Wing, the entire point of the place is

724
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: that it has deep history. If you want to put

725
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,320
Speaker 3: ac events or something like that, okay, fine, but nobody.

726
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just imagining glass slighting doors and fluorescent

727
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 3: lighting in the East Swing, and it's going to give

728
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 3: me an overall brain aneurysm just looking at all this.

729
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 3: Now here's the final question. Do you agree with near

730
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 3: Tangent's take that the images of the White House could

731
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:47,760
Speaker 3: swing the election.

732
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: I was like, look, Nera, you're after my heart. I

733
00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 1: am one of those people. I am a White House

734
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: swing voter. But even I am naive enough to say

735
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: that people give a shit about the.

736
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: I only honestly, let's be honest, it's kind of an

737
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: insider thing to even care because the ninety nine percent

738
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: of the US population has never even been inside of

739
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: the East Wing.

740
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: I've probably been there ten or fifteen times. The Blue Room,

741
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 1: the Red Room.

742
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: You know, all of these gorgeous places, even the photos

743
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 3: don't really capture capture it. You know, when I go

744
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: in those places, I'm like, wow, FDR did fireside chat here?

745
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 3: You know, this is where the famous George W. Bush

746
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: interviewing all that happened. I guess Americans just don't get

747
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 3: Trump certainly doesn't care at all.

748
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

749
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,319
Speaker 3: Maybe I can hopefully inspire some reverence for our great

750
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: architecture in favor of whatever this.

751
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: It makes me feel very conservative good.

752
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,640
Speaker 2: I mean I do, I don't know, if I listen,

753
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe there's right who knows right? What

754
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: lands with people? And there is something. Clearly Trump finds

755
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:49,919
Speaker 2: it to be somewhat of a political problem because number

756
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 2: one he lied and said that the East Wing wouldn't

757
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:52,479
Speaker 2: be touched.

758
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:53,560
Speaker 4: Well, it won't be touched at all.

759
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 2: There will be no demolision and it'll just go up

760
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 2: alongside of it, like no demolitionon whatsoever.

761
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,120
Speaker 1: Which I was concerned about. But I was like, okay, whatever, Maybe.

762
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a builder. Maybe so.

763
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: Number One, he felt the need to lie about it

764
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,919
Speaker 2: and continues to lie about it. Number Two, he felt

765
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 2: the need to cover up the pictures and demand that

766
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: no one take a picture of this, because so he

767
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: certainly has some sense that this is at least not

768
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: a great political look. It's going to swing the next election.

769
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: I guess we'll never know. We'll have to do some sophisticated,

770
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: you know, political regression analysis to figure out if this

771
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 2: was the factor. Maybe we'll see as approval rating fall

772
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: off a cliff and be able to point to to

773
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: this renovation demolition and whatever.

774
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 4: But it does make me feel very conservative good.

775
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: It makes me feel because I mean, I do feel

776
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: this sense of like this isn't your, This is all

777
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: of ours, like all of our nation's history, like all

778
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 2: of these historic things that occurred in these spaces, and

779
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 2: you just feel the power of a king to just

780
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 2: knock it down without asking anyone's permission, without going to

781
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: the public and seeing if that was something that people

782
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 2: are interested in, Like forget the money, but just you know,

783
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 2: you've now destroyed a space that cannot be rebuilt. And

784
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 2: there I can't remember, I wish I remember who was

785
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: saying this, but there was another progressive who was saying, like,

786
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 2: why does this bother me so much? And their analysis

787
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: and I think this could be the I think there

788
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 2: could be something to this is that it is a

789
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: physical representation of like Trump and his long legacy that

790
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: is now going to be left. And I think that's

791
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 2: why that's why he wants it as well. And so,

792
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: you know, when it was just one term, and this

793
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 2: was some of the emotions that I think we all

794
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: groppled with when Trump got reelected. When it's just one term,

795
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: that can kind of be an aberration. You know, Hillary

796
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: is a bad candidate, and there was backlash to Obama

797
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 2: and all these kind of weird you know, Russia and

798
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: whatever was going call me and whatever is going on.

799
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 2: When he gets re elected a second time, you're like, oh,

800
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,240
Speaker 2: this is not an aberration when popular book, Yeah, this

801
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: is actually where our country is now. And so I

802
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: feel like this is sort of a physical manifestation of that,

803
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 2: which is why I find it.

804
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:56,840
Speaker 4: I do find it religious.

805
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 3: I think that's fine from like some left point of view.

806
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 3: I'll just give you of more value neutral oneh which

807
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,000
Speaker 3: is that it's the White House. It doesn't belong to you,

808
00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 3: it doesn't belong to anybody. Is that you are at

809
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 3: the mercy of history in a certain sense, as in

810
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 3: you assume the office.

811
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 1: The office doesn't assume you.

812
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: And that's really what it's about, is that the point

813
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 3: is is that the office is supposed to be bigger

814
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 3: than everyone else all previous renovation.

815
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 4: You're a guest in our house.

816
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: Genuinely, this sounds cringe and point at this point to

817
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:23,399
Speaker 3: even talk this way, because this is how they talk

818
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 3: on MSNBC, But it is unironically true at a very

819
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 3: base level of No, it's the people's house.

820
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: It is the White House. Now.

821
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 3: Previous renovations that have happened include Harry Truman. By the way,

822
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 3: it was super controversial when he added the Truman balcony.

823
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 3: It was not people were not happy about it. They

824
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 3: basically added it for the pleasure of the president. I

825
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 3: guess it's been, you know, sixty seventy years, so we

826
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: can get over it. At this point, I'm still not

827
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 3: over it. Where the whole point is, if you've ever

828
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: been there, it's not that nice. And that's actually I

829
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 3: used to hate it whenever I would work there, but

830
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 3: I have come to appreciate the charm of the fact

831
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: that it is kind of a dilapidated office building. I

832
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 3: don't know if you saw this there's this viral photo

833
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: of Nick Saban, who was the coach at Alabama, and

834
00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:15,480
Speaker 3: he had this beautiful wooden office with all of these

835
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 3: books and things behind him, and it just looked so vintage,

836
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: as if a place where a person works. And then

837
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 3: his successor, I think his name is Kaylin de Boor,

838
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 3: came in and turned it into like a glass tea

839
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 3: mobile store. And by the way, the team wasn't isn't

840
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 3: doing as well under the new But there was something

841
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: about that which was just so physically jarring, you know,

842
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,240
Speaker 3: for many people. And that's kind of how I feel

843
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 3: about this entire thing is just looking at it, it

844
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 3: seems disconnected and actually, frankly, even that ballroom, it's just

845
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 3: so reminiscent of like the worst architectural design of US history.

846
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 1: But if we are living in a second Gilded Age,

847
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: maybe it may be.

848
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: I mean, it does fit with that.

849
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 2: And I think that's the other part that bothers me too,

850
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: is you know, this is some of the money is

851
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 2: coming from the like extortion that he's doing on these

852
00:40:02,120 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 2: you know, tech platforms, and I think some of the

853
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 2: like YouTube Fielty money going to one of the things

854
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: that I saw, Yeah, I think, so double check that,

855
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: but that was the headline that I saw. And so,

856
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 2: but okay, what are what is his time and focus

857
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: and attention going to building out this hideous, gaudy like

858
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 2: you know, Golfee meets Versailles meets mar A Lago ballroom

859
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: for a bunch of rich elites who can come and

860
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:30,279
Speaker 2: suck up to him and pay tribute and bring their

861
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: gold bars or whatever it is to get their you know,

862
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 2: their goodies. And so even like the purpose of it

863
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: is gross, let alone the visuals of it. So uh yeah,

864
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: it does. It does bother me, I am The pictures

865
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 2: of it are visually jarring. Is it going to sway

866
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 2: the election near? I don't know about that. I'd like

867
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 2: to believe it, but I don't know.

868
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, you never know. You just never know.

869
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 3: Look what I would hope is it inspires a love

870
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: of history. And part of the reason why, you know,

871
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: watching the transformation of the Oval Office and of you know,

872
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 3: the ballroom or the East Wing and all of this

873
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 3: is because at least previous presidents some had a deep

874
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: reverence for the things that actually happened in that room.

875
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 3: And I've told this story before, but one of the

876
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: things that, you know, really hit with me. Whenever I

877
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,799
Speaker 3: was I interviewed Trump, maybe the first or second time

878
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 3: is the first time I ever went into the Oval office.

879
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: I was like, that's the Jack Kennedy shot, right, you know,

880
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 3: at the desk, and I thought about Nixon and Kissinger

881
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 3: preying on the floor right before his resignation, or Eisenhower

882
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 3: and where he would play his goal, you know, all

883
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: these things you've read about for years and years and years.

884
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 3: And then I'm looking at this man. I'm like, he

885
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: doesn't think about any of that, and I.

886
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 4: Doesn't even know about it.

887
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know it, probably not, but you know,

888
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 3: or Jackson, Like is this portrait of Jackson?

889
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about?

890
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 3: Even the Oval room itself is such an unusual shape

891
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: and the evolution of how that kind of came to be,

892
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 3: the Resolute desk, the HMS resolute. These are all the

893
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 3: things that are like rolling through my mind. Now that

894
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,440
Speaker 3: can be bad. It doesn't necessarily translate to political success

895
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,440
Speaker 3: or to great leadership or any of that.

896
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 1: But in that moment, I was like, Oh, he doesn't

897
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 1: care about any of that.

898
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 3: And you know, it's clear obviously in this is that

899
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:11,840
Speaker 3: you know, imprinting this view of like who America is

900
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 3: is kind of in his own form. So, yes, you're

901
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 3: right in that it is a physical thing of Trump's legacy.

902
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 3: But more broadly I think it is I don't know.

903
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 3: I think it's like a loss of history and a

904
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 3: veneance of something.

905
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:25,720
Speaker 1: You can't get that back.

906
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 3: You can't get back the East Wing and however it does.

907
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: They say they're going to modernize it. I don't want

908
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: it to be modernized.

909
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: It needs to stay relatively the same. That's kind of

910
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 3: how we treat most of these places. It's like, if

911
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,560
Speaker 3: anybody in Washington has ever been to the Heart Senate

912
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:42,400
Speaker 3: Office Building, it's a glass construction box. It looks like

913
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 3: shit compared to the Russell Senate Office Building, it's marble.

914
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 3: When you walk the halls, you see signs like this

915
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 3: was John F. Kennedy's office, this was lbj's office. That's

916
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: how it should be, in my opinion, just to ground

917
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: people down to at least something that they are remotely

918
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 3: connected to.

919
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.

920
00:42:58,280 --> 00:42:59,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you. It makes me very sad.

921
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: It makes me very very sad, especially for the future generations.

922
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 3: You know, I had a dream because my wife and

923
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 3: I we've done multiple tours and we were talking recently like, oh,

924
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 3: we could take her to the White House, you know,

925
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 3: And I'm like, now, she wanted to get to see it.

926
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: Took that away from me.

927
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

928
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 2: One thing I will say about Nira's point is I

929
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: think if it was like Obama or Biden who did it,

930
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 2: the Republicans would be able to make it. The Right

931
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: would be able to make this effective campaign issue. Yes,

932
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 2: you're and the Democrats pulled that off. I don't have that.

933
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 3: Level of confidence. I agree, I agree, Chrystal. What are

934
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 3: you taking a look at?

935
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 2: So guess what, guys, Graham Plotner's tattoo has made me

936
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: more ride or die for him than ever.

937
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 4: Let me explain my thinking here.

938
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: So, as Ryan and Emily covered yesterday, main Democratic Senate

939
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 2: candidate Graham Platner is under fire for a variety of

940
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: old Reddit comments and an extremely poor tattoo. Joyce, So

941
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: here's that tattoo, revealed in a pick of Graham drunkenly

942
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 2: serenading the crowd with Miley Cyrus's Wrecking Ball as a

943
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 2: gag at his brother's wedding.

944
00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 4: Honestly, it's a good song. You guys should listen to it.

945
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 2: Graham says he got the tattoo with a few of

946
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: his buddies in the Service during a drunken night of

947
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 2: shore leave in Croatia. And it turns out it's not

948
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 2: just a cool looking skull and crossbones.

949
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 4: But a Nazi insigniy.

950
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:09,239
Speaker 5: Yeah.

951
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,000
Speaker 2: Well, yesterday we received the update that he has already

952
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 2: had that tattoo covered.

953
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen.

954
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 10: I think that racism and anti Semitism are a long

955
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 10: scorge on our society and a long scorge on our politics,

956
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 10: and I think it has no place in our world.

957
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 10: For that reason, I have gone and gotten it covered up, right, right.

958
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 10: I went to a tattoo parlor and I got this

959
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,920
Speaker 10: to cover up the sculling crossbones. It's a Celtic not

960
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 10: with some imagery around dogs, because my wife Amy and

961
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,280
Speaker 10: I have two wonderful dogs that we love a lot.

962
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 10: This far more represents who I am now than even

963
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 10: the skulling crossbones did, which I thought.

964
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 2: That it was so now the tattoo is obviously still

965
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 2: hideous visually, but no.

966
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 4: Longer hideous symbolically.

967
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 2: So what are we anti fascist leftists and progressives to

968
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: do with all of this, Well, the first and most

969
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: important question to answer is is this man actually a

970
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: secret Nazi. Obviously, if the answer was yes, that would

971
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: be disqualifying, but from the available evidence, the idea he's

972
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 2: actually a Nazi seems utterly preposterous. Here the likely By

973
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 2: the way, Palanteer hacked Reddit leak is very useful. We

974
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: can read through a wide variety of Graham's often impolitic comments,

975
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 2: which he made when he thought he had Internet anonymity

976
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 2: and no expectations of running for public office. So what

977
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: do we see in those comments? Well, some comments on

978
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: sexual assault and race that are definitely not progressive, for

979
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 2: which Graham has expressed regret, and some comments proclaiming himself

980
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: a psychedelic, taken communist and Antifa super soldier, which would

981
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: make him about the furthest thing possible from being a Nazi.

982
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,439
Speaker 2: For what it's worth, he was also a Michael Brooks fan,

983
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: crediting the late socialist commentator with his political shift and

984
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 2: mourning his untimely death.

985
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 4: So between the.

986
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: Fact that we actually have access to his edgiest ship

987
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 2: posts and none of them are far right, and the

988
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 2: fact that I am personally married to a man who

989
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,799
Speaker 2: accidentally got a metallica tattoo while sober im but he

990
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: thought it looked cool, so he just went for it.

991
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: I do believe Graham's croatia sure leave story, and think

992
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 2: we can confidently reject the theory that he is somehow

993
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 2: a secret Nazi. For me, this makes the question of

994
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: whether it continued supporting Graham or not extremely simple and

995
00:46:13,680 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 2: also vitally important. In fact, I genuinely believe that this

996
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 2: Graham Platinir question is at the heart of what course

997
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,960
Speaker 2: the Democratic Party is going to take for the future.

998
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: Will establishment Democrats continue to limit the field to the

999
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: most professionally boring and uninspiring people on the planet, or

1000
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 2: will the Democratic base reject their smear tactics and force

1001
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: a new anti oligarchic direction. Because if you are opening

1002
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 2: the gates to a broader range of candidates who haven't

1003
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: just been planning presidential runs since they were like five,

1004
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,520
Speaker 2: like total psychos, You're going to get some works. You're

1005
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 2: going to get some weird tattoos, some off color remarks,

1006
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:52,840
Speaker 2: some very messy life trajectories. The reward, though, is you

1007
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 2: get a party that doesn't give America the ick. As

1008
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 2: Emma Bigelin puts it quote censorious Hall monitor. Liberalism that

1009
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: refuses accept growth in people unless you're a corporate centrist

1010
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 2: and always forgiven, just as Cuomo supporters, is far more

1011
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 2: of a threat to the Democratic Party's chances in the

1012
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: future than anything dug up on Graham Platner. And it's

1013
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,720
Speaker 2: more than the Democratic Party's chances which are at stake here.

1014
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: Status quo neoliberalism has failed to deliver for people, and

1015
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: those failures are exactly what enabled the rise of fascism.

1016
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 4: The question of.

1017
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,920
Speaker 2: Whether the Democratic Party base can elevate new candidates with

1018
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: new profiles and most critically, new politics is existential for

1019
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,319
Speaker 2: the party and for the country as a whole. So

1020
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: Graham's tattoo also raises the question of what do we

1021
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 2: even consider to be a scandal. They want you to

1022
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 2: believe that a bad drunken tattoo is more scandalous than

1023
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,120
Speaker 2: bad policy backing billionaires at the expense of ordinary people

1024
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: and support for genocide at the expense of our souls.

1025
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 2: We have to fight that view with everything that we have.

1026
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 2: It main currently, there's a choice between two leading candidates

1027
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 2: on the Democratic side. You've got the sitting governor, Janet Mills.

1028
00:47:58,040 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: She's the choice of Chuck Schumer and the DS as

1029
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: governor of Maine. She has opposed a millionaire's tax. She

1030
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 2: vetoed adding higher income tax brackets. She opposed hiking corporate taxes,

1031
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,880
Speaker 2: but she did implement a cigarette tax, which will disproportionately

1032
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,399
Speaker 2: hit the working class. Now, she did pick a fight

1033
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: against Trump, which I appreciate, but if it's not match

1034
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: with a willingness to confront capital, it is not nearly enough.

1035
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 2: Mills also opposed local Israel divestment efforts in Maine. She

1036
00:48:27,120 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: threatened to veto statewide divestment efforts. She's been silent on

1037
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,720
Speaker 2: the genocide and just generally tose the lockstep pro Israel line.

1038
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,240
Speaker 2: She also happens to be the least popular Democratic governor

1039
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 2: in the entire nation and would end her Senate term

1040
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 2: well into her eighties.

1041
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 4: Do you really believe that that is the type.

1042
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 2: Of candidate that Democrats should rally behind for the future

1043
00:48:49,160 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 2: of the party, let alone the country now. Graham supports

1044
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: a billionaire minimum tax, strongly supports Medicare for all. Wants

1045
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: to surge federal government direct housing construction to deal with

1046
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,840
Speaker 2: housing affordable, wants to end the forever wars, and especially

1047
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:04,320
Speaker 2: to end the genocide and bring.

1048
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 4: Peace and justice to Palestinians.

1049
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,439
Speaker 2: Now, with no public profile or political office, he has

1050
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 2: built a grassroots movement both in Maine and around the

1051
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 2: country of people who are inspired by his model of politics.

1052
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: This was just last night, By the way, he routinely

1053
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 2: garners hundreds of cheering supporters to his events.

1054
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:22,879
Speaker 4: So, guys, is the a risk?

1055
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: Sure?

1056
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,840
Speaker 4: Could more come out?

1057
00:49:24,920 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: Sure, But many Democrats have tried to beat Susan Collins

1058
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:32,399
Speaker 2: with standard issue safe choices before, and all of them

1059
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 2: very safely lost. There is also I should mention another

1060
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: candidate named Jordan Wood in the race, who is responsible

1061
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 2: for a network of scam PACs and running exploited of

1062
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 2: fundraising tactics, who has probably done more to harass Democratic

1063
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,719
Speaker 2: voters and scan the amount of money than perhaps any

1064
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 2: other individual. He's at one percent right now, by the way,

1065
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:51,880
Speaker 2: So I'm encouraged by what I've seen so far. In

1066
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:55,560
Speaker 2: response to tattoo, Congress and Rocana, Senator Standards, Senator Heinrich,

1067
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,399
Speaker 2: They're all standing behind Graham. Even a sort of centristsh

1068
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: Democrat Rubin Diego did not throw Graham under the bus.

1069
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: Here are Bernie's most recent comments. Clip is a little long,

1070
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:07,399
Speaker 2: but I couldn't cut any because you guys need all

1071
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: of this pure quintessential Bernie.

1072
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: Do you have a question about your endorsement a plan?

1073
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,720
Speaker 11: It was the American healthcare system?

1074
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 4: Well, something he talks about a lot, right, I'll.

1075
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:19,320
Speaker 11: Be just say a few words. Number one, I am

1076
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 11: impressed that media is so concerned about the tattoo that

1077
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 11: mister Platner has. Meanwhile, there's a result of Trump's mess

1078
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 11: of cuts the Medicaid. The estimate is that if we

1079
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 11: don't change that, fifteen million people are going to lose

1080
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 11: their health insurance. Fifty thousand people you are going to die,

1081
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,920
Speaker 11: maybe equivalent to the importance of mister Platt's tattoo in

1082
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 11: terms of mister Platinum. This is a guy who served

1083
00:50:54,120 --> 00:51:03,399
Speaker 11: four terms as in combat Marine, four tours of duty.

1084
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 11: He was a machine number, He saw friends die. He

1085
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 11: came out of that war as he has a knowledge

1086
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 11: with PTSD, got good treatment at the VA, got his

1087
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 11: life together. This is a man who served his country,

1088
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Speaker 11: who suffered, who had some difficult moments, who said things

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Speaker 11: that he should not have said, and he has apologized

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Speaker 11: for them. But I think if this country is about anything,

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Speaker 11: it's about understanding that every person, me, you, everybody else

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Speaker 11: has gone dark moments in our history and we go on.

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Speaker 11: I think the issues that Graham is talking about the

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Speaker 11: need to deal with massive income and wealth, inequality, healthcare

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Speaker 11: is a human right, raising the minimum age are the

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Speaker 11: issues that are going to resonate and may resonate all

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Speaker 11: over the United States of America.

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Speaker 4: So you're standing by your endorsement.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 5: Can I do about the tattoo?

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Speaker 4: Do you think it's necessy that he gets it removed

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Speaker 4: or covered up?

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Speaker 11: Once again, we're dealing with a collapsing healthcare system as

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Speaker 11: a result of Trump's policies. Fifty thousand Americans may die

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Speaker 11: unnecessarily every year, and you were asking me about whether

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Speaker 11: or not a guy should get a tattoo removed.

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Speaker 10: Sorry, he thought he.

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Speaker 4: Was going to remove it, Classic Bernie.

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Speaker 2: I also spent a good bit of time reading through

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Speaker 2: the replies from the normy dem Podsave Audience under their

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Speaker 2: interview with Graham. I didn't see a single negative one.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I've actually seen more nervous lefties than liberals,

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Speaker 2: possibly because of our past John Fetterman trauma, which I

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Speaker 2: do understand, but let's be real, guys, Fetterman did have

1115
00:52:39,880 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: ideological red flags in the present day, not based on

1116
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,240
Speaker 2: some old post. The biggest red flags were on Israel,

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00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 2: of course, and also that whole trying to murder a

1118
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Speaker 2: random black guy in his neighborhood situation. Also worth remembering, though,

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Speaker 2: that Fetterman has literal brain damage which apparently made him

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Speaker 2: basically a different person, so it does seem like a

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Speaker 2: pretty unique situation. The other intelligent critique I've seen from

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00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: lefties is just basically, listen, guys, we got to pick

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Speaker 2: our battles, and the Nazi tattoo guy is just not

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Speaker 2: worth it. Journalist Adam Johnson, for one, tweeted this quote,

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Speaker 2: do you think it's wise to piss away capital defending

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Speaker 2: someone with a Nazi tattoo, someone with little pedigree on

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00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 2: the issues that matter and was a blackwater murk? Does

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Speaker 2: this feel like a good use of our time and energy?

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Speaker 2: To that, I would respond, yes, this is the absolute

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Speaker 2: best use of our.

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Speaker 4: Time and energy.

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Speaker 2: It is an essential use of our time and energy,

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Speaker 2: and I will die on this hill. And to be honest,

1134
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Speaker 2: the ship posting but mostly leftist reddit posts actually kind

1135
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 2: of laid my fears on the Blackwater Front, and that

1136
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Speaker 2: was the most concerning aspect of Graham's lore for me personally,

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Speaker 2: but only political capital front with respect, I think this

1138
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 2: analysis is just wrong. It's not how political capital works.

1139
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,959
Speaker 2: There's not like a well of capital the left holds

1140
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 2: in reserve which we have to budget across a variety

1141
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 2: of candidates and causes. In fact, when we go in

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00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 2: for a candidate and stick with them and succeed, our

1143
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 2: political capital and our political power grows. We didn't abandon

1144
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 2: Zoron when he wouldn't condemn globalized into foud and was

1145
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 2: relent he smeared as an anti Semite Energihattist, and standing

1146
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: with him even when he was under fire only grew

1147
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:09,280
Speaker 2: our collective power. In the same way you cannot capitulate

1148
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 2: to Trump, you cannot capitulate to the establishment Democrats who

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00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 2: helped to bring us Trump. A reckoning is happening right

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Speaker 2: now in the Democratic Party. They know it and we

1151
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,280
Speaker 2: know it. The leadership has lost control of the Norman

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Speaker 2: liberal base, making the kind of political revolution that Bernie

1153
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Speaker 2: dreamed about actually maybe possible. They are out there asking

1154
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Speaker 2: Corey Booker and Gavinusom about a pack.

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Speaker 4: They forced reluctant leaders to back a shutdown. They didn't

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Speaker 4: want to do it.

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Speaker 2: But if the Democratic establishment is able to get us

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Speaker 2: to abandon Graham, they will use this playbook over and

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Speaker 2: over and over again on every candidate who poses even

1160
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Speaker 2: the slightest challenge to the pro oligarch consensus. And guess what, guys,

1161
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 2: not all of those candidates are going to be as

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Speaker 2: impeccably and improbably squeaky clean as Zorn Mamdani appears to be.

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Speaker 4: People are messy.

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Speaker 2: If you are going to be a party of people

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Speaker 2: and not a party of creepy skin robots, you're going

1166
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 2: to have to live with some dirt or in this case,

1167
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Speaker 2: some ink and Sager we got to pull out this morning.

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Speaker 4: I think we have it.

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Speaker 1: All right, we've talked far, far too long, so enjoy

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Speaker 1: the show. We'll see you Friday show tomorrow