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Speaker 1: Hey, hrdler is welcome to episode forty seven of Hurdle,

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Speaker 1: a podcast that talks to everyone from top CEOs to

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Speaker 1: sorts by leaning into wellness. My name's Emily Abadi, and

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Speaker 1: today I'm sitting down with the one, the only, Jeff Provenzano.

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Speaker 1: He's a skydiver, a base jumper, a wingsuit pilot with

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Speaker 1: more than twenty thousand jumps insane. I know he's a

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Speaker 1: hurdle to dive on. In speaking of diving, let's talk

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Speaker 1: about Jeff. I was introduced to Jeff not too long ago.

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Speaker 1: We do the occasional bickram Hot yoga class here in

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Speaker 1: New York City, and I was sitting down with Marcus

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Speaker 1: and Tebby, the founder of Juice Press, and he suggested, Hey,

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Speaker 1: why don't you.

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Speaker 2: Sit down with my friend Jeff. Well, yeah, he's one

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Speaker 1: And it's so funny because born and raised in the

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Speaker 1: New York area, but talking to him, you'd swear.

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Speaker 2: The guy was from the West Coast.

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Speaker 1: He studied at New York City's School of the Visual Arts,

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Speaker 1: but the last thing.

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Speaker 2: He wanted to do after college was get a job

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Speaker 2: in graphic design.

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Speaker 1: After tackling his first tandem jump with friends, he was

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Speaker 1: absolutely hooked, and in today's episode, we talk about the

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Speaker 1: hurdle moment he faced postcrad deving head first put intended

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Speaker 1: into his passions, relocating to Arizona and buying a trailer

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Speaker 1: to work at the Number one skydive school in the country.

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Speaker 1: This guy's one of the pioneers of the high speed,

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Speaker 1: high stakes skydiving discipline of swooping and just can't get enough.

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Speaker 1: We talk about a lot of good things today, including

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Speaker 1: how he hooked up with the Red Bull Air Force,

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Speaker 1: what it's like to train government agents, and the insane

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Speaker 1: jump heeded landing on a barge in the Hudson River. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this one's all sorts of interesting. As always, head up

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Speaker 1: or just want to say hi, you can always feel

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Speaker 1: free to reach out to me. It's Emily at Hurdle

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Speaker 1: dot us and today I'm just going to get right

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Speaker 1: to it with that. Let's get to hurdling. I am

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Speaker 1: so amped to be sitting here with Jeff Provenzano. He's

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Speaker 1: a good friend of mine and he's also a skydiver

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Speaker 1: and Red Bull sponsored athlete.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on? Man?

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Speaker 3: What's up? Emily? How you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm great.

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Speaker 1: Jeff and I usually get to connect in New York City,

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Speaker 1: but we're both on the West Coast, so why not

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Speaker 3: I know, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: This is awesome and it's so funny.

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Speaker 1: I actually, uh, last week sat down with Marcus and

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Speaker 1: Tebby and Marcus was like, you need to sit down

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Speaker 1: with Jeff, and I thought, I sit down with Jeff sometimes,

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Speaker 1: but we never sit down for hurdles. So now's the time.

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Speaker 1: Oh cool, now's the time, Now's the time. He had

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Speaker 3: You, Marcus. Yeah, oh man, I've known that guy for

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good dude.

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Speaker 2: He says, you guys do is a yoga together?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, we'll do a little bit of you know,

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Speaker 3: But I've known I've known that guy for years and years,

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Speaker 3: and he's awesome. He's motivation, yeah for me, and I

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Speaker 3: It's always good when I hit a roadblock. He's one

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Speaker 3: of the guys I'll call at like seven am.

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Speaker 2: You know, seven am, I need your help wake up?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So what I feel like I need to

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Speaker 1: start this out by saying, a I've never skydived, and

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Speaker 1: first when you first started skydiving, and we'll get into

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Speaker 1: how this all kind of came to be your career path.

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Speaker 2: But were you scared?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 3: It's like I think it's not I think if you're

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Speaker 2: You know. I think heights are probably like my top

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Speaker 3: I think most people, to be honest, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's it's it's interesting. Actually a few of my friends

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Speaker 3: like my teammates, like guys just like me, are deathly

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Speaker 3: afraid of heights. Yeah, but yet they have twenty thousand

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Speaker 2: How many dives do you have now?

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Speaker 1: Thousand times that I jumped out of a plan. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh my goodness. Okay, So let's rewind it back a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well, you know what. To be honest, it

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I saw that on you know whatever in

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Speaker 2: Yes, base jumping.

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Speaker 3: Off of objects like bridges, buildings, okay, cliffs.

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Speaker 2: Do you have to get a permit for all of

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Speaker 1: I feel like that you would have to be slightly

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Speaker 3: A little bit, a little bit. And I think in

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Speaker 2: And when you find that out, yeah, how do you feel?

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Speaker 1: Dangerous, right right, Okay, so you see this movie and

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Speaker 1: you're like, I've got to go skydiving basically.

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Speaker 2: And how does one even start to get into skydiving?

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Speaker 3: So for me at the time, we're going back nineteen

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Speaker 2: And it's expensive, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: So so you go for your first time with your

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Speaker 3: this again. What's what's the deal? I see people out here.

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Speaker 3: They're jumping, They're going up and down, up and down,

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Speaker 2: And you're so you're in high school at this point,

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Speaker 3: I graduated already. I was just finished my first year

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Speaker 2: Actually okay, yeah, I was just And where were you

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Speaker 3: School? Visual Arts Street did four years there. It was awesome.

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Speaker 1: So you're in college and you're getting hooked on skydiving,

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Speaker 1: and you're talking to people at the school, and what

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Speaker 1: do they tell you.

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Speaker 3: They're like, oh, yeah, basically, it's you know, half your

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Speaker 3: bank account or all of it. And every weekend of

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Speaker 3: your life from here on in, you know, at the middle,

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Speaker 3: and money. Like definitely it costs both. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna I'm gonna move out West. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: What did your parents say?

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Speaker 3: They were okay with it at the time. I mean

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Speaker 3: I'm jumping with guys you know, they have more world

435
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 3: records on their world championships under their belts and thousands

436
00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,200
Speaker 3: and thousands of skydives. So I have like the best

437
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 3: mentors and coaches around me throughout these years as I'm packing.

438
00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 3: So my skill level is you know, kind of just

439
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,919
Speaker 3: going pretty good trajectory, good trajectory.

440
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Speaker 1: Yeah, when you say someone has a world championship in

441
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Speaker 1: skydie like, what are you doing to earn a world

442
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:29,480
Speaker 1: championship in skydiving?

443
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Speaker 3: Okay? So there's yeah, that's a whole big thing. There's

444
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,720
Speaker 3: different disciplines that basically you can look at skydiving almost

445
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:40,359
Speaker 3: it's two sports. There's like the body flying sport and

446
00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,159
Speaker 3: then there's the parachute flying sports, right, So it's two

447
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,399
Speaker 3: sports and one both are very very different. You know,

448
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 3: what goes into learning to fly your body and what

449
00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 3: goes into learning how to fly a parachute, the technical

450
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,080
Speaker 3: sides of it. It's like, I mean, it's two different

451
00:21:56,119 --> 00:22:01,000
Speaker 3: apples and oranges within each one of those, like say

452
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 3: the body flying side of the sport. You have different

453
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 3: styles of flying. Yeah, so you have what traditionally what

454
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 3: most people are familiar with with movies and stuff, it's

455
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 3: called relative work. Are belly flying this is what we

456
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,879
Speaker 3: also call it, and you're just basically in that basic

457
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,480
Speaker 3: skativer position that we all know falling belly to earth,

458
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Speaker 3: arms wide, legs wide.

459
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Speaker 2: And.

460
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Speaker 3: Our w is relative work. So you get a group

461
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Speaker 3: of people as a team. There's different there's four way

462
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 3: basically fore man team version of it, an eight man

463
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 3: team version of it. There's different different breakdowns of it.

464
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Speaker 3: But you see how many formations you can build in

465
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Speaker 3: like a thirty five second time so from exit like ready, set, go,

466
00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 3: you leave the plane thirty five second clock to see

467
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Speaker 3: how many of these points that you can do, and

468
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: all these points that come from these there's like a

469
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Speaker 3: pool of moves that get rent that's anomally drawn before

470
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Speaker 3: each round, and it's like okay, it's this's these four

471
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 3: moves and you just do them over and over and

472
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Speaker 3: over and over again.

473
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Speaker 1: See how like in figure skating when you watch figure

474
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Speaker 1: skating and they have to execute all these different things

475
00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: and then how they ex depending on how they do it,

476
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:16,919
Speaker 1: they get a certain amount of points.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, I'm following. I understand.

478
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 3: Actually it's done more. This is more like a speed thing.

479
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 3: So how many actual points do you get? It's it's

480
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: if you if you are a faster team, you score

481
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Speaker 3: more points.

482
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Speaker 2: Got it?

483
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:30,840
Speaker 3: You win?

484
00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: You win.

485
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Speaker 3: But that's just like that's like a really basic version.

486
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Speaker 3: There's other versions of that that are you know, more

487
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,040
Speaker 3: what we call free flying, which is more like a

488
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 3: three dimensional type of flying. So you're flying your body.

489
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Speaker 3: You might be upside down, right side up, on your

490
00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 3: belly or on your back. Yeah, and you are able

491
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Speaker 3: you're flying with another person, you know, maybe it's one

492
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,159
Speaker 3: other person or maybe it's three other people. This also

493
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 3: has many different breakdown Like you have a solo disciplines,

494
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: you have two way, you have four way, you have

495
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 3: a way. Same thing. God is like team individual, different

496
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 3: type different type things, different type things.

497
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're you're learning from some of the best

498
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: of the best of the skydive school.

499
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, the best of the best.

500
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Speaker 1: And when how long? Like at this point, how long

501
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 1: have you been at the skydive school? Because at first

502
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm going to take a year off, and

503
00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,600
Speaker 1: then now where are we at?

504
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: Because I say, like forward into like two years, like

505
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 3: one year, taking one year off turns into taking two

506
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 3: years off. Yeah, now, my you know, I have some

507
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,560
Speaker 3: skills in the sky. I'm getting a little tired of

508
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: packing parachutes and being on the ground most of the day.

509
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,119
Speaker 3: There's also a lot of work on your hands. Yeah,

510
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 3: it actually hurts. It's painful. It can be very painful

511
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:49,679
Speaker 3: packing all day, like your fingers bleeding. I'm starting to

512
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 3: meet people at the drop zone who are like, how

513
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: do you do this? How do you I'm like, oh,

514
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,560
Speaker 3: you want me to coach you? You know, huh, I

515
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: can show you this. I can show you that. I

516
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 3: start basically picking up like these like students that want

517
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 3: to get coached. So they're experienced scottivers that might have

518
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 3: a couple hundred jumps under their belt ready or maybe

519
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 3: even like a thousand jumps under their belt, right, but

520
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 3: they just want to hone in and dial in their

521
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,719
Speaker 3: their body flying skills or maybe maybe get become a

522
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 3: better pilot with the parachute, you know, so we call

523
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: it cannoy piloting. I think a year goes by and

524
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 3: I'm pretty much like booked every day.

525
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, everyon I want to learn.

526
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 3: People who want to learn, they're just like, hire me

527
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 3: out to teach them how to fly better, how to

528
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 3: do it better.

529
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Speaker 1: And is anyone giving you any feedback about the fact

530
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: that you're doing this while you aren't, but like there's

531
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Speaker 1: other guys that are certified to do this and you're

532
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: just kind of doing that.

533
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: So not really because the certification really only you only

534
00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: need that when you're working with beginner students, right, like,

535
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 3: if you're doing taking someone on a tandem scout, I've

536
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 3: got it, or if you're taking someone out on their

537
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: first solo scout, I've to teach them right so they

538
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 3: can go do so solo scouts.

539
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Speaker 1: And you like, obviously you're starting to make a career

540
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: out of it, which must have been kind of crazy.

541
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 3: Because no, there was no there's no like form, Matt,

542
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:10,159
Speaker 3: there's no like, hey to step one two ABC, Like

543
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 3: just no one wrote this. There was no book written

544
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 3: on like how to be a professional scout ever the time, right,

545
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 3: and and I was kind of taking a very different

546
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: route at that time. The discipline that I was involved in,

547
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 3: which was free flying, was still fairly new, and free

548
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: flying is a three dimensional type body flying that we

549
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: do and the sky so we're like upside down, right

550
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: side up, spinning, flipping like all this stuff that's that

551
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,879
Speaker 3: discipline was like kind of emerging at this time. So

552
00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 3: people were like, man, we want we want to learn this.

553
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: There wasn't a lot of coaches out there that could

554
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 3: teach it. There was a lot of people that could

555
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 3: do it or you know, could do it and willing

556
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: to teach it. So not that I knew how to

557
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: teach it because I didn't. I think in the beginning

558
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 3: really didn't know how to teach it. I was figuring

559
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,120
Speaker 3: out how to teach it as I was teaching it.

560
00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 3: But I think everybody was, yeah, because it was a

561
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 3: new discipline, we're all kind of just trying to figure

562
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: this out. And even though you can do it, it

563
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: was like how do you do that? You'd like sit

564
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:11,439
Speaker 3: down and think like, how am I doing that? What

565
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 3: part of my body? What am I using to push

566
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: on the wind when I do that? Like's in my

567
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: upper bodies and my lower body, and I using my

568
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: hips and I use my right So you really had

569
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 3: to like figure it out. So I kind of, you know,

570
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: messed up way. I mean, I wouldn't do that now

571
00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,960
Speaker 3: because now the level of knowledge, the general level of

572
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: knowledge of the sport is just so much greater and

573
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 3: high elevated. Yeah, it's elevated everybody. There's also there's a

574
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: lot more coaches. There's hundreds of coaches out there that

575
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: can teach us, right. They can teach it ten times

576
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: better than I can ever teach it now.

577
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,199
Speaker 1: So when you're at the school and you're starting to

578
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: get all of these people to coach and you're talking

579
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: them through it, and you're discovering this new trendy way

580
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: of the sport, kind of is everyone kind of like

581
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: are you just going to stay out there?

582
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: What's going on? Are your parents like you're going to

583
00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: come back to New York.

584
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 3: I remember getting a couple of phone calls and conversations

585
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 3: with my mom like that, like okay, so you know

586
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: what's going on? When are you gonna like come back

587
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,359
Speaker 3: and get a you know job at a graphic design

588
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 3: studio an ad agency, you know, and you know, little

589
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 3: things were changing. I was always like going from a

590
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 3: packer to an instructor, to like competing to like gaining

591
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 3: some sponsors. So every time, like I got a question

592
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 3: like that, I kind of would throw back like I'm like,

593
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 3: you know, how I was accelerating and progressing through this

594
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 3: this this this realm. So that's how I find And

595
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 3: I would always make my mom or dad feel a

596
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: little uncomfortable like, oh oh oh that's awesome. Oh you're

597
00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 3: doing something like stepping it up.

598
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: Well, So then when does red Bull come into the mix?

599
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 3: Red Book comes into the mix? Around two thousand and one,

600
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: which I'm in Lake Tahoe, California, I am scouting at

601
00:28:56,640 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: a scoutping center, Scout of Lake Dahoe, and there there's

602
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: a couple other guys we actually the guy who owned

603
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 3: the Scott Eving Center was Charles Bryant. He was a

604
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 3: red Bull sponsored Scott Ever. He was like pretty much

605
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 3: like the first like red Bull sponsored Scott Ever, I believe,

606
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: and he pulled on a few people onto you know,

607
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 3: into that world and Rebel was still pretty young at

608
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 3: that time, right in America at least, and he pulled

609
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: a few people on and it just it just grew.

610
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: So it was like right time, right place, with the

611
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 3: right people. Here's the other thing. So, why Red Bull

612
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: in Lake Tahoe? Actually, when Redbell first came to America,

613
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 3: there are two test markets. Was Lake Tahoe and I

614
00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: think Vale, Colorado. So some of the first rebels, you know,

615
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 3: the first rebel skiing athlete, Shane McConkie, he was living

616
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: in Tahoe. You know, everything was based in these two places, right,

617
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 3: So to be around that, I think was it was

618
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 3: a big part of it and kind of grew with

619
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 3: Red Bull from those early early years.

620
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638
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Speaker 1: Red Bull sponsored athlete?

639
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: Basically means you wear the hat, You wear the hat,

640
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: and you're like very proud of wearing that hat. Yeah,

641
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 3: because that hat's awesome. Only Redbell athletes get the hat, right,

642
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 3: And yeah, you represent you know, you go do your sport,

643
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,000
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644
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Speaker 2: The brand of the best as you can.

645
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

646
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think with Red Bull it's very natural

647
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 3: and easy for us because well, first of all, their

648
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: motto is Rebel gives you wings, right, So what better

649
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 3: sport really than like a sport where we're where magic backpacks,

650
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 3: where wings pop out in our backs, basically like Rebel

651
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 3: gives you wings. And you know the guy who started

652
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 3: Red Bull's he really loves aby. He's got a hanger

653
00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 3: in Austria with all these cool vintage air planes and stuff.

654
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: So for other sports, it's normal to be a sponsored

655
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:10,120
Speaker 3: athlete and just think about your sport and competing and training.

656
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 2: And that's it.

657
00:32:11,480 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: In skydivan, we didn't really quite have that yet, right,

658
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: you know it, it's still a pretty young sport. Not

659
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 3: a lot of people were able to do it. People

660
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: weren't thinking to just be that. You could be a

661
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: like athlete in this sport, right as you would be

662
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 3: an athlete in another sport. You had to be an instructor,

663
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: you had to be a video guy or a parachute

664
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 3: packer or some kind of rigor to be a professional skydiver. Yeah,

665
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: but you couldn't really be a professional competitor. Things started

666
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 3: changing a little bit around this time, and I started

667
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 3: gaining some sponsorships and I was able to actually gain

668
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 3: enough sponsorship to just kind of focus almost entirely on

669
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 3: competing and swooping, and that was it.

670
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:58,280
Speaker 2: Swooping.

671
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 3: Swooping is what we call it. There's like ten different

672
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: words for everything we do in this just focusing on So, yeah,

673
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: they canopy piloting parachute piloting competition, we call it swooping

674
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: and yeah, and that's pretty That was That was. That

675
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 3: was like the first discipline that I kind of started

676
00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 3: competing in and being recognized for it. And it was honestly,

677
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: at the time, it is the only discipline that was

678
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 3: entertaining for spectators. You're landing in front of people. The

679
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 3: rest of it is like, oh, you're drive falling out

680
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: of an airplane three miles away. You're a little dot.

681
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: You get close enough. So the only way to really

682
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 3: judge anything else is through video, you know, And people

683
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,960
Speaker 3: can't relate I think the general public too. They don't

684
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 3: relate to Scott to free fall. They just see you

685
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 3: floating around and moving. They don't understand what it takes

686
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 3: to actually fly your body and to be balanced and

687
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: to actually control yourself on the wind the way you do.

688
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 3: Like you watch a video of someone flying in the

689
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: in the wind tunnel, it just looks easy. Yeah, you

690
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: try to go in it the first time and you're

691
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 3: like bouncing off the walls. You're like, oh my god,

692
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 3: this is going to take me thousands of hours to

693
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 3: get to that, to that guy's.

694
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 2: Level, right, right.

695
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: It must have been kind of difficult to be one

696
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: of the first in the sport because it's not like you,

697
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: like you said, you didn't have any particular pattern to follow.

698
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,920
Speaker 1: And then also along those lines, it wasn't like anyone

699
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: else could look to you and be like, yeah, this

700
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:30,440
Speaker 1: is what he's doing now, because there weren't other examples

701
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,799
Speaker 1: to provide to show them like, this is my career path,

702
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: this is what I'm doing. Can't you see that I'm

703
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: doing it really well and winning all these things?

704
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 3: I don't know? Yeah, No, you have to explain it

705
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 3: all the time because it's not a well known sport,

706
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: so you're always explaining got very you know, used to

707
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 3: explaining to people, Yeah, what is it that I do?

708
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, which can be exhausting, especially if like you didn't

709
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: always think that this is what you were going to.

710
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 3: Do, yeah, yeah, especially when like most people's reaction is

711
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: like you skytive, Why would you jump out of a

712
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 3: perfectly good airplane? Yeah, Like, oh, I haven't heard that

713
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 3: one before, right, Why wouldn't you not you trust that airplane.

714
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,800
Speaker 1: I mean, your attitude is just different than like ninety percent.

715
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 3: Hey, you know you either get in line or you know,

716
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: I'm not the type of person to get in lines.

717
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:19,400
Speaker 1: I feel like that it must teach you so many

718
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: life lessons being willing to kind of take that risk.

719
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 3: I think. So I think more in hindsight now I

720
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 3: can kind of like reflect and you know, come up

721
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: with all these analogies and metaphors and things like taking

722
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 3: that blind leap, and you know a lot of motivational

723
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: type speeches can come out of it. Yeah, but I

724
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 3: think at the time, you didn't you know, you just

725
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: you didn't. I didn't know, Yeah, I didn't know. It's

726
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 3: just kind of grinding through.

727
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: How do you feel like these days you're kind of

728
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 1: applying those like that mental side of things to your

729
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: more everyday life because obviously you no longer live in Arizona.

730
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I'm kind of based there still. Yeah, still

731
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 3: have a place there. Everything that I do in this

732
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 3: sport is you know, maybe maybe it's just like controlling

733
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 3: your emotion, your fear, you know, just trying to like

734
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 3: settle down, you know, your heart rate starts going up.

735
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 3: You know, maybe I'm going to do a speech, you know,

736
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 3: and I try and I get nervous before I talk

737
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: in front of like a large audience. Not so much

738
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 3: in like this setting. I'm not nervous right now, but

739
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 3: like in a large audience, I still get nervous, like

740
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 3: standing on stage and talking to people. And you know,

741
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 3: I'll try to use those mental tricks I know that

742
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 3: I use in the plane to like slow my heart

743
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: rate down, gain control of like where my thoughts are.

744
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:41,040
Speaker 2: So a lot of people find that kind of grounding

745
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: through meditation meditation.

746
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: As we've spoken about this before, it kind of comes naturally.

747
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 3: In skydiving, you're kind of forced to meditate, you know,

748
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 3: whether it's just like even just visualizing, you know, visualization

749
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 3: is definitely a form of meditation, you know, just trying

750
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: to visualize that perfect performance. That's one way, and another

751
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 3: way is is really just trying to like really like meditate,

752
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: like trying to clear your mind of everything, you know,

753
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: and just relax and zen and just zen out, find

754
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 3: that zen spot, that place in your head where you're

755
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: not thinking right, overthinking anything right totally. I've done some

756
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 3: meditation with you know, like proper meditation, not just like

757
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 3: me sitting in an airplane meditating, but I've been walked

758
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 3: through meditations and it's really like it's a very similar

759
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 3: experience experience where you go in your head. Especially, you know,

760
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 3: because skydiving it's always like being nervous or being afraid.

761
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: You're trying to really control being nervous or afraid.

762
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 2: When you became a Red Bull sponsored athlete, and then

763
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 2: you were doing more and more competition, you were doing

764
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 2: more and more competitions, you then also started to do

765
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: some other kind of contract work through this.

766
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so through Yeah, right around the same time

767
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 3: I started working for them government.

768
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: So what do you do for them? That's insane?

769
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 3: Train military? Yeah, they don't do anything much not much

770
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: different than we do it. You know, they're all just

771
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 3: trying to do the same thing. Jump out of an airplane,

772
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 3: land safely, so you know, land safely.

773
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,399
Speaker 2: I guess someone's got to teach them.

774
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 3: Someone, someone's got to teach them. And internally, you know,

775
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: they just don't have you know, they've they figured out like, hey,

776
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 3: let's get an expert at this, you know, because in

777
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 3: the military, they'll have a guy Scott, a instructor in

778
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: the military. That's not all he does. He's got like

779
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 3: twenty other things he trains, and you know, so of

780
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: course hire a civilian specialist. That's all they do all

781
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: the time. They're really good at it.

782
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: And where are you training them?

783
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: All over? Yeah? Yeah, I mean mostly mostly in Arizona,

784
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: but all which I travel a lot.

785
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. So where have been some of the craziest places

786
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: that you've jumped from?

787
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: I mean New York was, honestly, yeah, I mean there's

788
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: a lot, a lot of places. I've jumped so many places,

789
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 3: even here in La. Like I was just actually on

790
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 3: a on the Santa Monica Mountains yesterday, was it yesterday

791
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: for a little hikeers yesterday or day before now. We

792
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: were looking out over the whole valley, you know, all

793
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 3: of LA and I'm like, oh my god, I've landed there.

794
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 3: I've landed there, I've landed there, Like picking out all

795
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 3: these spots like in the city on the beaches and

796
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: places I've landed my parachute. Yeah, and I've landed. I've

797
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: jumped in so many places. But New York. New York

798
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 3: is just super special, just you know, from growing up

799
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 3: there and after you know, after nine to eleven with

800
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 3: all the restrictions on flying and flight restrictions getting permission.

801
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 3: The fact that I was able to get permission to

802
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 3: jump over New York City was like five years ago.

803
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 2: Yeah.

804
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I still can't believe that.

805
00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, where did you land when you did that?

806
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: On a barge in the Hudson River. So that was

807
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 3: the only way the city allowed it. I presented five

808
00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 3: or six other project to the city before this, from

809
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 3: base jumping, buildings and base jumping the Statue of Liberty

810
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: to which I found Statue of Liberty actually is has

811
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 3: nothing to do with New York even it's like it's

812
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 3: national But anyway, trying to present all these projects to

813
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 3: New York to do a cool project there, and they

814
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 3: were like no, no, no, no no. But when I said,

815
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: we fly the wingsuit up the Hudson River, we open

816
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 3: a parachute, and then we land on a barge in

817
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,359
Speaker 3: the river, and we're never over the city and we're

818
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: not landing in the city. That's a big thing. They

819
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,359
Speaker 3: don't want us to land in the city, right, Oh

820
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 3: you're gonna land on a boat. Oh yeah, sure, perfect,

821
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 3: have fun.

822
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 1: You kind of talked before a little bit about like

823
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 1: all the different musculature that it takes to be really

824
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 1: good at your craft. What are the things that you're

825
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 1: doing outside of skydiving that really keep you balanced and

826
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: like ready to perform at your top level?

827
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 3: Just staying active I think, you know, just living an

828
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: active lifestyle can do it. Yeah, you don't need to

829
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 3: be the strong is the fastest, you know, the most flexible,

830
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 3: but all those things really help, you know, especially at

831
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: my level, on any on a lower level, if you're

832
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 3: just like learning a skydive, you don't have to be

833
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 3: in shape. To be honest, you don't have to be

834
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: You can come straight off the couch into an harness

835
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:19,120
Speaker 3: and throw you out a plane and you're gonna be fine.

836
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:22,040
Speaker 3: But taking the sport to like level that I'm at,

837
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 3: you know, you definitely want to look after yourself. So

838
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: I'm very conscious of, you know, my diet and my training,

839
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 3: my cross training and stuff I'll do. Like here at

840
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 3: Red Bull, I'm here been training at their High Human

841
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: Performance Jim. We've got trainers and nutritionists, massage there, like

842
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:46,279
Speaker 3: a great team of professionals to help not only me

843
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 3: but all the other athletes at Red Bull in everything

844
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 3: from you know your you're training to even maybe you're

845
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:56,680
Speaker 3: injured and doing some kind of physical therapy recovery type stuff.

846
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: So obviously the lifestyle that you're living can lead to

847
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of instability and that you're not always

848
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: in the same place for a long time. You're kind

849
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 1: of bouncing around a lot, always either on a plane

850
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: going from point A to point B, or on a

851
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: plane to jump out of it. Yeah, so what kind

852
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: of keeps you grounded when you're constantly all over the place.

853
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever grounded, to be honest,

854
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 3: I struggle with that one. Yeah, traveling. Traveling is crazy.

855
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 3: I mean it's kind of I was just having this

856
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 3: conversation with someone yesterday or the day before or whatever,

857
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 3: and it's like, you know, with social media, everyone always

858
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,920
Speaker 3: looks at social media and I'm always doing something cool

859
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 3: or I'm like at this event or doing this or that,

860
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 3: and I am I'm either surrounded by hundreds of people

861
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 3: and I'm the center of the attention and you know,

862
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 3: the the talent or whatever, you know, the center of

863
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: the attention, or it's a complete opposite. I mean, you

864
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: travel to a lot and spent endless hours in airplanes

865
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: and hotels, and you know that side of it is

866
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: very like lonely in a way. It's like most of

867
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Speaker 3: it I do alone, you know, I feel like, so

868
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,919
Speaker 3: there's this it's it's like zero or ten. Yeah, it's

869
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 3: like at the party or I'm like sitting in the

870
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,759
Speaker 3: corner in my room from all the dunce hat on.

871
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: But what keeps you happy? Like what makes you happy?

872
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 1: Isn't it weird when someone asks you that and you

873
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: have to articulate it. It's actually been something that I've

874
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 1: been trying to work on a lot because I feel

875
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,720
Speaker 1: you in the like zero to one hundred, and everyone

876
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 1: has an opinion on how you're executing your life, and

877
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: like everything looks really great and everyone thinks everything is

878
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: going really well.

879
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: But there are those lonely moments.

880
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: And so I've been working more to figure out what

881
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: are the things in my life that bring me joy.

882
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: For me, those things are my close relationships, so my

883
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: friends that know what's going on with me outside of

884
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: social media, which I think is important, and being able

885
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 1: to call out a friend who like maybe has been

886
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: a little distant, be like, this is what's going on

887
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: with me, and just because maybe like I've been following

888
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: you and you've been following me, Like, let's have a

889
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: real talk about what's up. So deep relationships make me happy.

890
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: I know you share this, Like yoga practice makes me

891
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 1: so happy. Writing things down makes me happy. And being

892
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: able to like articulate if I'm feeling a little bit alone,

893
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 1: all right, what do I have control over to change that?

894
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: Like who can I talk to? What can I do?

895
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: What can I do to bring that brings me joy

896
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:26,799
Speaker 1: that I can like shift the conversation that's going on

897
00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:27,359
Speaker 1: in my head.

898
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 3: I probably share a lot of those details. Yeah, I

899
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: think in general, if I think, like what makes me happy?

900
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: Like when am I happiest? It's usually just when I'm

901
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 3: busy kind of have things going on, and when I'm

902
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 3: doing things that I'm occupied and I'm you know, there's

903
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 3: just something a goal and I'm in it, yeah, trying

904
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 3: to achieve it. Yeah, you know, the downtime makes me

905
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: less happy.

906
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, speaking of goals, like what are the goals coming up?

907
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:58,960
Speaker 3: I really want to travel to more new places. You know.

908
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 3: I tend to go to the same places over and

909
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 3: over and over and over again. You know. Yeah, dozens

910
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 3: of times I've been to Dubai, like over twenty times. Wow,

911
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: you know, I'm so tired of sitting on an airplane

912
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 3: for fifteen hours. Like I love Dubai. It's awesome, and

913
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: I have great friends there and it's hot, but I

914
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 3: definitely want to like travel to more new places, right

915
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 3: just sit in that airplane and go to the same

916
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:28,080
Speaker 3: spot and traveling because everything's always new and exciting and first,

917
00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 3: like it's very stimulating. Like I'm very happy when I'm traveling. Yeah,

918
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,799
Speaker 3: you know, I like being around new things and just

919
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: absorbing all of that and making new friends, seeing old friends.

920
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 3: It's just exciting.

921
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,399
Speaker 2: How do you feel when you're skydiving?

922
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: Uh? How do I feel when I'm skotted? Well, you know,

923
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,839
Speaker 3: I feel every emotion when I'm skotming. Sometimes, you know,

924
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,439
Speaker 3: some skydives I feel very relaxed. Others I feel very

925
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 3: oh my god, I can't wait till this jump is over,

926
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,759
Speaker 3: and I'm just on the ground safe. So it it

927
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,799
Speaker 3: really just depends on like what what it is I'm

928
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,319
Speaker 3: doing in the sky. Is this regular scout? Is this

929
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 3: a routine jump at home with my like best friend,

930
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: or are we doing the next sickest stunt that you

931
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 3: know requires every ounce of focus and concentration. So I've

932
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 3: I've felt every emotion in the air.

933
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 2: Has anything ever gone wrong?

934
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 3: Little things go wrong all the time, Like what openings

935
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:37,399
Speaker 3: parast openings are you know, they're can open a million

936
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 3: different ways it opens, but there's a lot of times

937
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 3: where you get like a little thing like you know,

938
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 3: the the steering line might be a little stuck or yeah,

939
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: it opens like in a twist, or it's spinning, you know,

940
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: and you got like line twists and you kind of

941
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 3: have to like kick out of them or stop the

942
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 3: parachute from spiraling out, you know, because it opens in

943
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 3: a spiral at the ground or something sort of like

944
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 3: little things that you constantly have to fix and correct.

945
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 3: But I think, you know, when that's a very common

946
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 3: question like oh my god, like what's the scariest thing

947
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 3: that ever happened? Or what's you know, I think a

948
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,720
Speaker 3: lot of people are just so shaped by Hollywood. Yeah,

949
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: and you know, because not a lot you don't know.

950
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 3: Most people don't don't know the sport, and they don't

951
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,040
Speaker 3: know the details and like details about it and what

952
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 3: it's just it's it's all a mystery to them. So

953
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: Hollywood has kind of painted I think the picture of

954
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: what Scott havings like and what the problems are like.

955
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: You know, like, yeah, I hear you in those moments

956
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:36,080
Speaker 1: of chaos, Like is the visualization that helps you keep

957
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: your cool?

958
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:37,879
Speaker 2: How do you keep your cool?

959
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:42,080
Speaker 3: Experience? You know what? I think there is no keeping

960
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 3: your cool. There's no time to like get heated or

961
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 3: anything about it. Right, You're just you're there in the

962
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 3: moment when things are going bad. You're just reacting to that.

963
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,160
Speaker 3: And it's I think it's all experience in training that

964
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: kicks in. It's all your subconscious A lot of these

965
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 3: things aren't like you're not going to sit there and

966
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 3: constant and be like is this better or that better?

967
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 3: Should I do this or that? You're just going to

968
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 3: react and do something. And it's usually during those moments

969
00:48:06,719 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 3: you're not scared and freaking out. It's after you land,

970
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 3: you know. It's like it's like being in an almost

971
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 3: a near car accident on the highway. You just react,

972
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 3: you know, you move that wheel, whatever you got to do,

973
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 3: slam on the brakes, turn the wheel, whatever it is,

974
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 3: and then after you pass all of it, then you're like,

975
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: oh my god, oh my god, oh my god. And

976
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: then you start freaking yourself out.

977
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: You know.

978
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: It's that's yeah, And I'll freak myself out before the

979
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:41,919
Speaker 3: sky dive sometimes visualizing because I visualized, Yeah, visualize every

980
00:48:41,960 --> 00:48:45,080
Speaker 3: performance obviously the way you want to do it, perfect

981
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 3: and flawless. But I visualize everything going as ship and

982
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 3: I want to everything like how how is this going

983
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 3: to be? Like? How could this go wrong? And I

984
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 3: think that's you know, that's smart for what I do.

985
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: I think it's really smart. It's not what you want

986
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:03,920
Speaker 3: to focus on right before the performance, but I think

987
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 3: it's something you want to be very aware of to this,

988
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: especially when it's like your life.

989
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hear you, all right, the way I always

990
00:49:11,040 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: close the pod. You have an opportunity right now to

991
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: offer the Jeff who is picking up the movie in

992
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,640
Speaker 1: Arizona and changing his whole life to follow a passion. Yeah,

993
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 1: a piece of advice? What piece of advice do you

994
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: give that guy?

995
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: Looking back on it now, anything, anything is possible. You

996
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: do not need to like get in any line and

997
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 3: follow some path because someone else had this idea for you.

998
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 3: You know, if I can make a career out of

999
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 3: jumping out of airplanes and playing with parachutes, and flying parachutes.

1000
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you can make a career out

1001
00:49:49,640 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 3: of anything. You know. It's really like it really is

1002
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 3: just that is like find something you love, do it

1003
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 3: a lot, master it, and you know the other pieces

1004
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: will fall into place. I mean, you got to work

1005
00:50:01,680 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: hard for it. It's not just going to fall on

1006
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 3: your lap. You have to make sacrifices. You have to

1007
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,680
Speaker 3: work hard and sweat and grind. It can be anything.

1008
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to be what you know your guidance

1009
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 3: consor told you.

1010
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey dude, thanks, Yeah, sitting down? Are you kidding?

1011
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 3: Hi? Fine, hie.

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Speaker 1: Please take a moment to leave a quick review by

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Speaker 1: clicking the link with the description to this episode. We

1014
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Speaker 1: all face multiple hurdles in life. I want to hear

1015
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Speaker 1: dot us. Connect with the podcast on Instagram and Twitter

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Speaker 1: at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Jeff. Where do they find you? Where do they watch

1019
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Speaker 2: the jumps? What's got?

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Speaker 3: You can follow me? I'm on all the social media

1021
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 3: channels just my name, Jeff Provenzano. You can also follow

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Speaker 3: red Bull Air Force or red Bull and you'll find

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Speaker 3: me over there through there too.

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Speaker 2: Awesome.

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Speaker 1: I am at emily a body, Another hurdle conquered.

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Speaker 2: Catch you guys next time.