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Speaker 1: because we have a great, big, long story today. This

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Speaker 1: about Dorothy Binny Putnam and her husband George Putnam. Now

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Speaker 1: Most of this information came from a book called Whistled

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Speaker 1: Like a Bird, The Untold Story of Dorothy Putnam, George Putnam,

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Speaker 1: by Sally Putnam Chapman, who's Dorothy and George's granddaughter. Now,

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Speaker 1: Sally totally idolized her grandmother Dorothy and just thought that

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Speaker 1: because I feel like he could have said, like, hey,

424
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: you know what, I know you're having a good time.

425
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 1: I miss you. It's tough stuff here without you, but

426
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 1: we're getting by, you know, or he could have said

427
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: or he could have just sucked it up and been like,

428
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: I know I'm having a hard time, but she needs this.

429
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,040
Speaker 1: She's out there, so I'm not going to put it

430
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: in her head and make her feel worse. I'm just

431
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna say, I hope you're having a great time, Missy.

432
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,200
Speaker 1: You love you by Like either one of those would

433
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,440
Speaker 1: have been better than this, like super I think subtle,

434
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 1: like hint, hint. But he's just kind of whiny, you know,

435
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 1: And he didn't have the strength to like suck it up,

436
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: recognize that she was doing her own thing right now

437
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: and let her do it well, or have the strength

438
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: just be upfront about his feelings about what she was doing,

439
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: because that's fair too. It's like valid if you're like, hey,

440
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: it's been a while, like please come home, but like

441
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,040
Speaker 1: I feel like the yeah, just it seems a little

442
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 1: passive aggressive, and I think that would have set up

443
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 1: her back more than if he had just been straight

444
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: up yeah, yeah, definitely. Well, anyway, when she got home,

445
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 1: George through this huge party, the whole harbor was like

446
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 1: raging Winner's ship pulled in. They're plumping, they're playing like Sweethholme, Alabama.

447
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:19,679
Speaker 1: It's just like popping bottles. Turn the ship around. She

448
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: got off the ship from across the dock, they saw

449
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: each other. They locked eyes, and that's about it. You

450
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: might say that they were closer together than they've been

451
00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: in ten weeks, but the distance between them was greater

452
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: than ever. If you were selling cliches and giving a

453
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 1: product demonstration, that's when you might say that it's super cheesy,

454
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: but it it's also just had to be said right

455
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: right right. It was just kind of a heavy thud,

456
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: and I think Dorothy realized she didn't really miss her

457
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: life in New York. So Dorothy's back home. Things are

458
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: a little weird, um, And I think that we'll come

459
00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 1: back and explore that right after this break, and we're back.

460
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 1: So George, George, boy, he's crazy busy with work right now. G. P.

461
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 1: Putnam's son's blowing up. He has got assignments and he's

462
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: just constantly working. And Dorothy came home and she did

463
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: manage to find some pleasure in setting up rocknew in

464
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: the new house, especially the gardens outside. This was her

465
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 1: chance to be outside, being nature, get her hands dirty.

466
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: She loved that. And she got to decorate the interior

467
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: of the house with all sorts of knick knacks they'd collected.

468
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 1: And their travels abroad. Now, George took David, their oldest son,

469
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: on an expedition to Greenland. Fucking David, like, you even

470
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: got to do everything. If I were June, I'd be like,

471
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: I hope y'all got a trip plan for me, and

472
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 1: they do, June, we'll get to travel to I think

473
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: he's too young at this point, but even still, I mean,

474
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: just like any kids, you know, just like, oh, what

475
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: are we doing today? Parents? Oh I'm going to South America? Cool?

476
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 1: Oh today I'm going to Greenland. Great. I'm going to

477
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 1: Japan awesome. And they're like, June, you can sit with

478
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: your books, here's the crayon. They're like the house is

479
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: just stuffed. Every cabinet is full of crayons, just spilling

480
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 1: out of everything. Every cookie tin more crayons. He like

481
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: draws pictures of the Galapa Ghost, like I'd like to

482
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: go here, and they're like, that's great, honey, so cute,

483
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: we'll put it on the fridge. So George's company was

484
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: publishing explorers books, especially it's a hot trade right now

485
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: again turn of the century. People are just taking adventures

486
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: and exploring the wilds of the world and a lot

487
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: of colonial attitudes, just like I'm gonna go witness this

488
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: fascinating culture and comment on it um. But they come back,

489
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: they write books, and Putnam's was the place to go

490
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: to publish it. So George was like, well, I'm doing

491
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: all this publishing of adventurers and explorers books, maybe I

492
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 1: should go do a little on my own. Which, sure,

493
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: whatever excuse you need to take these trips, George, and

494
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: he decides to go in the Screenland trip with his

495
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: son David, And meanwhile Dorothy is back entertaining all of

496
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: his business associates at the house, which usually meant a

497
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: room full of the biggest adventurers of the days. A

498
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 1: joke going around at the time that you couldn't got

499
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: a meeting with the Putnams unless you conquered some uncharted

500
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 1: territory first, And I'd be like, well, I haven't been

501
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 1: to the Putnam's yet, so that is uncharted territory. You

502
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 1: just invite me. I'm ready to go. As the loophole.

503
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 1: You got to write a book. I explore at my

504
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: Explorations of the Putnam Mansion, My Journey to Rock Now,

505
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Volume one. The kitchens definitely plural kitchens, Oh yeah, you

506
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: know it. But the mansion, the garden, the guests, None

507
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: of that was going to satisfy Dorothy for long. She

508
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: just wasn't the same woman that she was when they

509
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: got married, which was fifteen years earlier now, because she

510
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: didn't truly know who she was then when they got married.

511
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: She wrote married couples out of twenty four apart, eight

512
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: hours sleep, six hours in each other's company, six hours

513
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: times seven days equals forty two hour week. Soon we'll

514
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 1: see each other by appointment only if this goes on, well,

515
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:34,800
Speaker 1: it suits means. She's like, it's like, George, I don't know,

516
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 1: I'll see you next Friday at from six to seven pm.

517
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: She's like, uh, do we have time for a fight

518
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,400
Speaker 1: on Tuesday three? Oh? You're busy with you know, with

519
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: Dr Livingston. I presume alright, well about Wednesday at five? Oh, yes,

520
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: so I can make that perfect. We'll fight Wednesday at five.

521
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: But I have a heart out at six pm. That's fine.

522
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't have that much to say it. She planned

523
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: more excursions, of course, of course, and she found some

524
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: sense of excitement in that, but otherwise she was kind

525
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 1: of getting more and more miserable all the time. And

526
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: that trouble leads us to this episode side your place

527
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: or mine, Not Amelia, not yet, this is a different

528
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,240
Speaker 1: side piece. And this friend of a friend had been

529
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: brought in to meet the famous Putnams. His name was

530
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: George Weymouth, who will mostly be known throughout her diaries

531
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 1: as g W. So we don't have two George's right.

532
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: He was nineteen years younger than Dorothy, who was about

533
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 1: thirty eight. Now, so this kid's nineteen. He was as

534
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: smooth as he was fly. She wrote, quote, Imagine in

535
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: a crowd of rather sophistic hated, over busy, sallowish people,

536
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: a boy, modest, good looking, well built, impressionable, adoring young Barbarian. God,

537
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: what a relief to jaded feelings. Damn Dorothy, she said, God,

538
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: what a relief to jaded feelings. Oh man, I finally

539
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 1: feel something again. I have Oh oh, I haven't had

540
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: a tingle like that in nineteen years, she said. And

541
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: she did not stop thinking about g W, which of course,

542
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: really didn't do anything for her marriage to George Putnam,

543
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: and she kind of got more disconnected. So she's like,

544
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: you know what, I gotta do something. I gotta get away.

545
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:57,040
Speaker 1: So of course she booked a trip to South America.

546
00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 1: I'm upset, let me take a trip about it. Yeah.

547
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: She returned after a few weeks. She's fresh and excited.

548
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: She had a lot of her energy back, and she

549
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 1: was really happy to see her family waiting at the

550
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 1: docks for her. But after a few days at home,

551
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: she started to get bummed out again. I mean, this

552
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: is just a lady who cannot be confined. Okay, She's like,

553
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: she should just be wandering the earth your whole life,

554
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 1: or she needs a therapist. Well you know what I mean. Like,

555
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 1: that's the other trick here too, is like she clearly

556
00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: has depression and she's having a lot of questions about

557
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: her purpose and her place in the world. And she's like, well,

558
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 1: I guess I'll just distract myself by spending a bunch

559
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: of money on an excursion to the other part of

560
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 1: the world. I know that feeling. I've done that, you know,

561
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,960
Speaker 1: to Disney World a couple of times, but I haven't

562
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: quite made it to Panama yet. But I know the

563
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: feeling of distracting herself by planning a trip from your

564
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: own depression. But you know, as therapists were not really

565
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: a thing at this point in history, she was taking

566
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 1: a trip about it. Um. So anyway, she's feeling a

567
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: little probably a little confined at home, kind of bored

568
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: with the tedious day to day of living in a house,

569
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: managing a house. And then she hears a familiar voice

570
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 1: coming from downstairs. So she creeps down the stairs and

571
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: she peeked into the kitchen and she sees her son David,

572
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: talking to George Weymouth, her young Barbarian, and she's like,

573
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 1: oh my god, just like dip back upstairs and collected herself.

574
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. She's probably put pinched her

575
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: cheeks little red and her cheese and make sure her

576
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: hair is all right, you know what I'm saying. And

577
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: then she tried to act cool and she like walked

578
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: into the kitchen. Oh um, George, is that it is

579
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: that right? Yes, didn't know you were here. Um, it's

580
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 1: fine whatever, I'm cool. So what's going on? What brings

581
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,879
Speaker 1: you to the house. He's like, oh, yeah, no, no,

582
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: no big deal, no big deal. But you know, crazy story.

583
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: Your husband just hired me to be your son's tutor,

584
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 1: so I'm going to be around a lot. Uh you know,

585
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: maybe we should go get lunch sometime. Oh sure, that

586
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: would be just fine with me. I mean, come on, George,

587
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 1: what you do and hiring George hires young barbarian to

588
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: a tutor. He's like, oh, you seem to get along

589
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 1: with the new tutor, Dorothy. I've hired him full time.

590
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: This guy's oblivious. It feels to me sometimes like he's

591
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 1: just like, oh, were you attracted to him? Oh? Well,

592
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 1: I've decided I'm going away for six weeks and I've

593
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: decided to hire him as a bed warmer. He's going

594
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 1: to sleep next to you just to make sure you

595
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,880
Speaker 1: don't get chilly at night. Want you to miss me

596
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 1: too much. It will make you think of me while

597
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: you're sleeping next to him. Right, that's what it'll do. George.

598
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: You're both named George, so that helps. She won't have

599
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 1: any problem if she calls out his name, you know,

600
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: he's like, which George do you think they stopped? And

601
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: which George? Oh George, Wait George, which George? Anyway, they

602
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: do have lunch together. They have a picnic together, and

603
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: it's super hot. And she writes in her journal about

604
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: springtime and how there's all sorts of new love in

605
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: the air, just just just new love. Nothing to do

606
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: with me personally or anything, the feeling of love in

607
00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 1: the air, sense of springtime and love. And then on

608
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: May nineteen and she recorded two entries in her diary.

609
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,839
Speaker 1: The first was her and g W sitting by the

610
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: fire after dinner, popping open a bottle of wine and

611
00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: having quote on evening never to be forgotten music, wine content.

612
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: And next to that date, Dorothy had left a secret

613
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: symbol that Sally determined to be what she wrote when

614
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: she got nasty, what was it? We don't know I

615
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: can do. We have time to pull into speculation. Station

616
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 1: don't decide what it is for her. For me, it's

617
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: like I see it as like a little spirally snake

618
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 1: with a big smiley face and hearts for eyes. I

619
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, I you know, I mean,

620
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,960
Speaker 1: it could be it could be something as simple as

621
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 1: it just a little dot, could be a little heart,

622
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: just like like a little pound sign or something pound

623
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: hashtag town pound town, well, you know, pounds a pound

624
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: and um, maybe it's just a little I don't know.

625
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a pineapple that's a that's a symbol ch

626
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: swinging couples. Just learned that myself the other day. Okay,

627
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: that's kind of a thing. It was a little pineapple

628
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 1: or rabbit ears, or a little pomegranate, something very fertile

629
00:37:56,600 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: that's true, that's true. Or a dick, true dick. That

630
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: would be hilarious. This is my secret symbol. And Susan's like, well,

631
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: that's how come I figured out what it meant because

632
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,919
Speaker 1: it was pretty freaking obvious. Hey, artist, friends, why don't

633
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 1: you come up with a secret symbol for a diary

634
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 1: that says I had sex tonight and shoot it to

635
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: us on Instagram or Twitter and I would love to

636
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: see your versions. The next entry was from the following morning,

637
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: and it describes quote a marvelous dawn. Apparently the world

638
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 1: has new significance. At least a part of me, long

639
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:43,200
Speaker 1: forgotten is still here, ruthless perhaps, and self willed. Who

640
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: this is? This is a woman experiencing what we call

641
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 1: an awakening. She's like it turns out orgasms are fun.

642
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 1: But while they were getting busy, another man was getting

643
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: busy just a few miles away and knee York City.

644
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 1: His name was Charles Lindbergh, and he was hopping in

645
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 1: his airplane machine to be the first person to ever

646
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 1: fly across the Atlantic. And this was this exact night

647
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: while literally while they were doing it, Charles Lindbergh was

648
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: taken off. While they're taking off, He's taken off. It's like,

649
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: you know a lot of imagery of like an airplane

650
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: going through a tunnel. Airplanes go through tunnels. What kind

651
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: of tunnel airplane taken off, angle straight up into a tunnel. Yeah,

652
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: so America is freaking the funk out. When he got

653
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,760
Speaker 1: back from his trip, New York City was one giant

654
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: party ticker tape. Everywhere they were sweeping that shipped up

655
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 1: for days, popping bottles, music, uh, you know, dancing in

656
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 1: the streets. I mean, just everybody's fail. Oh my god,

657
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: a guy just literally flew a plane across the ocean

658
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 1: for the first time. I I mean, honestly, I am

659
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: quite literally. I wish I could experience that, because not

660
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: knowing that airplanes are a thing and then airplanes are

661
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: a thing, how mind blowing. I mean we take them

662
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: for granted because of course airplanes are a thing now,

663
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: But I can't imagine the feeling you would have the

664
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: first time. You said, I would feel like the world

665
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: was this brand new, magical place that had just cracked

666
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 1: wide open. I'm so amazed. I think. I think that

667
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: is kind of how it felt. You know, what, was

668
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: it taken a week or of a couple of months

669
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: or something across the ocean and a steamship. You know,

670
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: it's like the fastest you could go. And now it's

671
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: like this guy did it in a matter of hours.

672
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:45,399
Speaker 1: In this newfangled invention, you know, it's like very exciting. Yeah,

673
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 1: and I think even beyond the immediate, like I think

674
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: people were also as they were seeing this kind of

675
00:40:53,440 --> 00:41:00,320
Speaker 1: new era of invention pop up, um, they're also really

676
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: looking into the future and their understanding that this doesn't

677
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 1: just mean this what's Charles Lindbergh Flying across doesn't just

678
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: mean a plane can go across the ocean. It means

679
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: we don't know what the limits are anymore. Literally, the

680
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,439
Speaker 1: sky is the limit now. It used to be ten

681
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: ft was the limit, and now the sky is the right. Well,

682
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: Anna had a little bit of space race, I think

683
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: energy because France was also trying really hard to be

684
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: the first, you know, so it was kind of a

685
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,160
Speaker 1: little bit of a race to which country was going to,

686
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 1: you know, make it into the air first. So it

687
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: was I think it also had that kind of like yeah, amraicle,

688
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: you know, it's just so exciting. And so George of

689
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: course wanted the Charles Lindberg book because I mean, they

690
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 1: were going to write a book. Right. You don't just

691
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: do something like that and then not put a book out.

692
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: It's nice. I don't think you do anything without doing it.

693
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:55,560
Speaker 1: Even today, you're like, I ran a failed campaign for

694
00:41:55,719 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: city council and here's my story. There's nineteen and George

695
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: wants the Lindberg book. But of course so does every

696
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: other publishing company in the world. So George goes straight

697
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: to Charles Lindbergh and he says hey, he says, hey,

698
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: let's not funk around here. Here's a check for a

699
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, give me that book. And Lindenberg looks

700
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: at the check, which is worth a hundred thousand dollars

701
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: and that's one point five million dollars today. When Charles

702
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: Lindbergh says, yeah, you can have the book, buddy, like

703
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: no questions asked. So their house explodes into activity. Um

704
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:43,439
Speaker 1: Carlyle McDonald, who was Lindenberg's ghostwriter, moved into Rocknell, the

705
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 1: Putnam's house along with teams of writers and researchers. The

706
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: house basically becomes its own publishing house and they're like working.

707
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: Imagine the scene in Clueless when all the lawyers are

708
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 1: going through. All I was saying here is like, let's

709
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: bring him dinner. I was thinking like Wolf of Wall

710
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: Street when they're making sounds, a lot of activity, a

711
00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:07,600
Speaker 1: lot of men running around, probably smoke in the air,

712
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: you know. Oh, and Dorothy rolled up her sleeves. She

713
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 1: managed the whole house. That's what made me think of

714
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: share because okay, you know, y'all need to eat some food,

715
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: We need to get some coffee going, Like you're not

716
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: taking care of yourselves and she probably really enjoyed all

717
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: that activity too. She was like, I feel important to

718
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: this work, and I have stuff to do, and I'm

719
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: just have an outlet for all my energy and all

720
00:43:29,680 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: my competence. It felt like the old days between her

721
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,280
Speaker 1: and George, you know, where she was half the work,

722
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, she was a big part of getting it done,

723
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: and now now she was again, and this was very

724
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: exciting for sure. Yeah, and George traveled around. He pre

725
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,239
Speaker 1: sold a hundred thousand copies of this book to bookstores

726
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: because again, everybody wants to read Lindbergh's story. And finally

727
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: the book was done and they showed it to Charles

728
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: Lindbergh and he goes, yeah, never mind, I want to

729
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: write it myself. And George is like, say it now,

730
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: excuse me, because I just put a bunch of my

731
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: whole fucking summer people into my house to write your book.

732
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: Why did you tell me this a few weeks ago

733
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: that would be useful information, that would have been useful

734
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: to me yesterday. I'm good, you know what, I'll just

735
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,520
Speaker 1: write it. And you know, they didn't have a lot

736
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: of time before the release. They already sold He needed

737
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 1: it by July. So he's really freaking out and Lindbergh's like,

738
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: now I got this. He locked himself away. He wrote

739
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: the whole book, longhand in time for the July release.

740
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,400
Speaker 1: So good for you, Lindbergh. It's very hard to do

741
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: and unsurprisingly it was hugely successful. Charles Lindbergh made two

742
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, which is in today's money three point

743
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: one million bucks. Really really amazing. Um, I've want to

744
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: read that book actually too. I have not read it.

745
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: I'd be interested. There's a great book called One Summer

746
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: Ninet the Seven by Bill Bryson. Each chapter is just

747
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 1: something amazing that happened in the summer, and it's like

748
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: kind of a lot of ship in Lindbergh. Of course

749
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: it's a whole chapter. And is there a chapter about

750
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: Dorothy and g W getting it on? There is not

751
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: that we're filling out Billson's book. There should be because

752
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: it is an historical event. Um. I don't know if

753
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: you read dorothy external entries, but it was historical for

754
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: her and I made a difference. Yeah. So George goes

755
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: off on another Arctic expedition. He'd been sent on these

756
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: expeditions a lot of them were sponsored by like the

757
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: New York Museum of Natural History or things like that.

758
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 1: He's bringing back live polar bears for the Bronx Zoo

759
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, preserved whale carcasses for for the

760
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: history museums and things like that. So you know, it's

761
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: big nature expeditions again. People marching into a place that

762
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 1: isn't there's taking what they want and bringing it home

763
00:45:57,239 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: to look at. Just go and observe of buddy, I mean,

764
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: some really cool things out there and write it all down.

765
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: We'd love to hear about it anyway. George is off

766
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: on a long voyage and Dorothy is putting his summer

767
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: clothes away into storage when a little note slipped out

768
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: of his jacket pocket. This was a letter from a

769
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: woman to him, and in the letter it is a

770
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: straight up confession that they're having an affair. And Dorothy

771
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: says in her diary that she was weirdly unfazed by it.

772
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 1: It really just kind of made her feel better about

773
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: the things she was having with g W and it

774
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,680
Speaker 1: made the idea of separating from him easier. Her next

775
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: diary entry the next day was, I have bought a

776
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: new Dodge Roadster, very snappy sports model, ridiculously expensive and

777
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 1: really unnecessary. But it's a funny reaction. She said, Oh,

778
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: you're cheating. Cool, I'm going to go buy a car, thanks,

779
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: which just so normally i'd take a trip about it,

780
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: but you're on a trip, so I'm going to go

781
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: buy a car about it instead. Such a like it's

782
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:04,440
Speaker 1: such a brilliant move. Classic, classic, classic move, you know

783
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: from for rich people. Are you cheating on me? Fine,

784
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: give me that credit card. I'm gonna go make myself

785
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: feel better. After George returned from this long voyage, Dorothy

786
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,439
Speaker 1: started to really consider leaving him. This was really where

787
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: it was starting to kind of come into her mind,

788
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 1: like could this end? He knew that they were having troubles,

789
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:28,600
Speaker 1: but he kind of thought that she was happy enough

790
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: with the life they had. But to Dorothy, like one

791
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:35,720
Speaker 1: of her friends had recently divorced her wealthy husband and

792
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 1: she was living alone this tiny house, and Dorothy wrote,

793
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: it is very odd and yet oh so understandable. Why

794
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: go on forever living with a person who bores one excessively?

795
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 1: It's easier to be beaten. I'm not sure, but you know,

796
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: in her mind to this point, she's like, I'm so

797
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: dead inside. I'm getting so nothing of this. I'd rather

798
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: feel alive than this, And she couldn't be intimate with

799
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: him because she wrote she just mentally didn't enjoy it.

800
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 1: They kind of wrote that. There's a little bit of

801
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: conversation there too about how how challenging that was and

802
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: how it kind of sparked up some fights because he

803
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: was very frustrated with that. He's like, why can't we

804
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: have sex? It's you know, night after night after night

805
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: after month after month after month, we're not having sex,

806
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:29,320
Speaker 1: and that's that's that's not making me happy. And she's like, well,

807
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: I don't want to and why are you being so

808
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: pushy about it? That's not making me happy. So just

809
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,560
Speaker 1: another element where they, you know, really butting heads a lot.

810
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: Dorothy went to Hawaii a few months later, like she do.

811
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: She she got far away, and even there she just

812
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,279
Speaker 1: complained about not being with GW. She had that d

813
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: W fever really won some g W. But being away

814
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: from both the Georges made her kind of start to

815
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: think about how bad this scandal would be if it

816
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: came out, really worried about the consequences she might lose

817
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: custody of her kids for example. Um so she was

818
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 1: kind of like, I have to keep playing the role

819
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 1: of George Putnam's wife if I'm want to keep anything

820
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: that I do like about my life. Also, anyway, while

821
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 1: she was gone, GW was hanging out with some young

822
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 1: Flosi named Darcy Kellogg. Anyways, Kellogg, Darcy ll that corn flake.

823
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, George Putnam is busy with a new task.

824
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: He was tasked with this kind of mystery project, one

825
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 1: that Dorothy would call the most ambitious of his entire career.

826
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,320
Speaker 1: I'm excited because he was enlisted to find the first

827
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 1: woman to fly across the Atlantic and has right find

828
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: me a day Moogan fly across the Atlantic, and a

829
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: half dozen or so candidates passed his way. Um but

830
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 1: George heard of a young woman in Boston who had

831
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,319
Speaker 1: been described as a female Lindbergh. So I imagine this

832
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,320
Speaker 1: guy like, hey, boss, you gotta meet this kid Amelia Ahad.

833
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: You know it's like those uh, those biopic movies where

834
00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: they're always like, hey, have you heard this new song?

835
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: This kid's name is Aretha Franklin. Hey, Chuck, you know

836
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: that new sound? Even looking for well, listen to this,

837
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, probably that phone call happens, but he had to.

838
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: He had to hold up the year piece. Name is

839
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen. I don't know, boss, I think we should

840
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: give him a shot. All I know is it was

841
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: born to run. Amelia Earhart was the first woman granted

842
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,520
Speaker 1: an air license in so he went to meet her,

843
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: and he was quickly like, oh yeah, this is the one.

844
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: This is the one. And George was not very good

845
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: at hiding his affection for Amelia. He'd come home and

846
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 1: tell Dorothy all these stories like, oh my god, Amelia

847
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:05,800
Speaker 1: said the funniest thing today, Like Amelia is so smart,

848
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: and Amelia is so funny, and she's just really cool

849
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: and really awesome. And if you do you know what

850
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: Amelia said yesterday to me, you know, just kind of

851
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: a little laying on a little thing. Dorothy's like, yeah,

852
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: I get it. Oh great, Oh yeah, she sounds very

853
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 1: interesting Amelia say something. But actually, let's not hit them

854
00:51:28,080 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: against each other, because Amelia and Dorothy became best friends.

855
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: And besides, however smitten George was with Amelia, it didn't matter.

856
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,239
Speaker 1: Amelia was engaged to a guy named Sam Chapman. So

857
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: Dorothy came out to help get things ready for Amelia's

858
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: flight out of Boston. She would fly from Boston to

859
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: just outside London, and this was only gonna happen three

860
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: weeks after she had been selected. This all happened very fast.

861
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,839
Speaker 1: There was a bit of a race going on. There

862
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:58,919
Speaker 1: were other female pilots in the world, and at one

863
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: point another woman even announced like, I'm actually going to

864
00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: fly across the Atlantic before Amelia does, and the papers

865
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: of course turned it into this air race, you know,

866
00:52:09,560 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: and Amelia was like, I don't care, you know, I'm

867
00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: just doing it, you know, Okay, I just want to

868
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,400
Speaker 1: fly across the Atlanta And it didn't matter because weather

869
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: kept delaying the flight first days and days and days,

870
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 1: and Dorothy and Amelia just pretty much spent that whole

871
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 1: time together, hanging out, getting a new know each other,

872
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: having a really good time, and then eventually the flight

873
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,720
Speaker 1: or the hop as they called it, hop across the pond.

874
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:38,760
Speaker 1: It kept getting delayed until June months now, and Dorothy

875
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: ended up going back and forth between her home and

876
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 1: New York and Boston a lot. But all the while

877
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: back home, she and g W are going strong and

878
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 1: after every little bang session with the secret symbol that

879
00:52:49,120 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: she had boon. She sorry, sorry to any non Brooklyn

880
00:53:01,680 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 1: obsessive people out there. So after every little bone session

881
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: that she had with him, she would write some florid,

882
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 1: evocative like walk in the clouds styled sentimental entry in

883
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: her diary. It was just like the most I saw

884
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: the most beautiful bird today, like new eyes seeing the world.

885
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 1: Every sunrise is a gift, you know, taking care of business.

886
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: She was feeling it. And on June, Amelia Earhart landed

887
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,640
Speaker 1: in England, becoming the first woman and the second person

888
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: ever to cross the Atlantic Ocean by air. Pretty cool,

889
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: pretty cool, pretty cool. Pretty But at thirty nine years old,

890
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: Dorothy's excitement for her new friend was matched by some

891
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: resentment as well, because it kind of made her miss

892
00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: the sea, made her miss this feeling of freedom. Um.

893
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: Amelia was a symbol at the time for women. Susan

894
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: describes her as quote an almost mythical figure for women

895
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: of her generation who only fantasized about escaping their domestic routines.

896
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: And meanwhile, George Putnam is totally swept up in all

897
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:18,760
Speaker 1: the publicity after Amelia's flight. Because Amelia was the symbol,

898
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: she was also a fashion icon. She was on the

899
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: front of every newspaper in the western world. She had

900
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 1: tea with Winston Churchhill. So George took on the role

901
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: of being her business manager, and George and Dorothy fought,

902
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: as they would do sometimes about her indifference to him

903
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: versus his insistence on on her responding to him. More so,

904
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: just things are contentious between the two of them. It's

905
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: more exciting when he's with Amelia, probably, and there's just

906
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: not a lot between them anymore at this point in

907
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,400
Speaker 1: their relationship. Now, I want to pause for a second

908
00:54:53,480 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 1: here insert that George Putnam and Amelia Earhart is an

909
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: entire the other story, and I look forward to doing

910
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: that as its own episode. It really is. There's so

911
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:08,880
Speaker 1: much else going on there, So we're really focused this

912
00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 1: time on Dorothy and George, and while Amelia is here

913
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:15,520
Speaker 1: and a huge influence on their relationship, we're gonna look

914
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: specifically at the two of them, and then at a

915
00:55:17,640 --> 00:55:19,799
Speaker 1: later date will look specifically at the other side of

916
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 1: it with George and Amelia and have a whole other

917
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:25,359
Speaker 1: story to tell. I think that's really cool, totally. So,

918
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 1: when Amelia got back from her Atlantic flight, the three

919
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,920
Speaker 1: of them stuck together between Boston and New York City.

920
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:40,240
Speaker 1: There's again massive parties, ticker tape parades, music press, press, press, um.

921
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 1: And Dorothy was an invaluable friend to Amelia because she

922
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: understood celebrity really well. She had been, you know, in

923
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 1: papers since high school. I guess everyone's like talking about

924
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: how great she is at everything, and she knew how

925
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: it could affect a woman in particular. And Amelia essentially

926
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: moved into their house to write her book. Obviously George

927
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: was write your book, I guess who's going to publish it?

928
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 1: So again there was this huge hustle and bustle in

929
00:56:06,120 --> 00:56:09,479
Speaker 1: the house while she's getting her book written. Every day,

930
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,959
Speaker 1: Amelia and Dorothy would take an afternoon swim together, which

931
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: was nice, get a little exercise, a little treaty. They

932
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:19,319
Speaker 1: loved swimming. They all had just daily swimming routines, and

933
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 1: Dorothy would take her shopping and would take her to

934
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,360
Speaker 1: go meet her family in Connecticut. Amelia even ended up

935
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: dedicating her book to Dorothy. So they were really close.

936
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 1: Like they were, they were becoming very good friends, but

937
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,399
Speaker 1: obviously there was something else going on, Like women were

938
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 1: always fawning over George. He was a handsome, successful guy.

939
00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: That was something Dorothy was fairly used to, and she

940
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,520
Speaker 1: didn't really bad an eye at because as a business associated,

941
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: there's put it. She never had to worry because George

942
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 1: was such a workaholic. Work was all he ever thought about.

943
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: But this is different because Amelia was George's work. So

944
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: now his focus is directly on this woman who's paying

945
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: a lot of attention to him. And that started to

946
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: become clear to Dorothy that, like, maybe there was something

947
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:09,760
Speaker 1: else going on here. One day in August of Dorothy

948
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,120
Speaker 1: had canceled some plans to see her family, so she

949
00:57:12,200 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: was going to be home instead of out of town

950
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: in Connecticut, and George flipped his absolute ship. He lost

951
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: his mind and he was furious that Dorothy was gonna

952
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: be home because Amelia and I have a swim date today,

953
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, And it's like, okay, calm down, buddy, I

954
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: mean sorry, right, I'm gonna be in my own house,

955
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 1: And then just making it a little a little obvious

956
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 1: there too, like, oh, I'm sorry, were you planning on

957
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: doing something that you can't do if I'm here? We

958
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: were going to swim naked, but now we can't. We

959
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 1: were going to have a lot of sex in the pool,

960
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 1: but now my wife is here ruining everything. Geez, how rude. Well,

961
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: George and Amelia had tried to keep their affection for

962
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: one another secret. Rumors were definitely circulating now. Right at first,

963
00:57:56,480 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: Dorothy really didn't think Amelia would land her proverbial old

964
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:04,280
Speaker 1: plane in the Putnam proverbial airfield because they had such

965
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: a good friendship. Right, But she was definitely cautious about it.

966
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: She's hearing these rumors too, and you know, she didn't

967
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,840
Speaker 1: want to be around for any of this ugly speculation.

968
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: She was like, I don't want to hear it. I

969
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: don't want people gossiping about me. You know what I'm

970
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm gonna take a trip. And she went

971
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: out west to the desert and the and the and

972
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 1: the frontier land. She arrived in Wyoming for some canyoneering,

973
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: some hiking, some real frontier ship, probably some good boots.

974
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: And when she arrived, holy sh it. Who had come

975
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 1: to meet her? But g w Um originally wasn't gonna

976
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: be able to make it to this out west trip,

977
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: but he wanted to surprise her and by greeting her

978
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 1: at the train station, so he hitched I know, cute.

979
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: It's basically like a guy running through the airport, you know,

980
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get jiff. So he hitched Tyke over

981
00:59:03,880 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: from a Jackson Hole ranch where he had been visiting

982
00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: Darcy Kellogg. What that Jackson Hole? I left from Jackson

983
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:18,720
Speaker 1: Hole to see you. And Dorothy did not love that. Obviously.

984
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: She's like, okay, and she was starting to realize that

985
00:59:23,640 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: this GW thing was beautiful but temporary. It wasn't going

986
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: to go anywhere. He's only twenty one, He's spending all

987
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 1: this time with this beautiful woman his own age. Dorothy's married,

988
00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: she's forty, so she's kind of like, Okay, this was

989
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:41,120
Speaker 1: really fun and I wish it wasn't over, but it's

990
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: probably kind of over. Yeah, I mean she's it's not

991
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 1: really that, you know, simple, She's not shrugging it off,

992
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: but it's but I think, yeah, she does have that

993
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,680
Speaker 1: kind of realization of like, this is this is not

994
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: compatible no matter how hard I try. There's too many

995
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 1: factors here that are going to make this pretty impossible

996
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:03,360
Speaker 1: unless we totally abandon each of our individual lives. So anyway,

997
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 1: they were both kind of realizing that maybe they're they're

998
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,400
Speaker 1: idol was coming to an end. And that night he

999
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,800
Speaker 1: went to her tent and he whispered her name, and

1000
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: he reached in and he handed her a poem by

1001
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 1: h Town. So let's go on down to the poetry

1002
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:25,240
Speaker 1: corner where we're going to hear a little break up poem.

1003
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,120
Speaker 1: It will not last, this little love of ours. But

1004
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:31,600
Speaker 1: does that matter, really, not a bit. We will have

1005
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 1: had one moment exquisite, and it will vanish like summer flowers.

1006
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: Blessed be our failure flint in little showers, not the

1007
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: great pyrotechnical display of Abalard and Heloise. One day of

1008
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: love for us beneath those amorous bowers. Lighter than snow

1009
01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: is love that men call light, Lighter than butterflies, swifts,

1010
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 1: vagrant wings, the least snow can make the world more bright.

1011
01:00:58,120 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: And who refuses what the summer rings? Blessed be all kisses,

1012
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 1: and blessed be the love that dies before satiety. Wow. Yeah,

1013
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: that's a nice little piece about beautiful, about let you know,

1014
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: about things coming to an end, but that not being

1015
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 1: But let's not necessarily sad happy what happened? Yeah, you

1016
01:01:19,560 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: smile because it happened exactly when do you think that

1017
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:26,480
Speaker 1: people are going to start texting this poem to Tinder

1018
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:30,160
Speaker 1: dates so they're like, actually, I'm good, and then they'll

1019
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: write t L d R it's over I reading all that.

1020
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: I'm happy for you though, or sorry that happened, but

1021
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: they'll call it townsing towns this ship out of that guy.

1022
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:48,120
Speaker 1: Oh man, you said him the poem? I did? I did.

1023
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,840
Speaker 1: I texted that entireble to this guy. The least snow

1024
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,120
Speaker 1: can make the world more bright. L O l l

1025
01:01:56,840 --> 01:02:00,960
Speaker 1: m O. She knew at it was time to let

1026
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,439
Speaker 1: go of this, and she knew that they had both

1027
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 1: come to this decision together without saying it. It was

1028
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:10,560
Speaker 1: an unspoken realization on both their parts. This is awkward.

1029
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: We both know why. Let's just trade a nice poem

1030
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,240
Speaker 1: and go our separate ways. Everybody were not everybody, but

1031
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,439
Speaker 1: I think most people have had that where you don't

1032
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,440
Speaker 1: ever really say it, but you both know it's not

1033
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,200
Speaker 1: there anymore. Yeah, it's And then after you do that,

1034
01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,760
Speaker 1: I think you're supposed to continue dating them for six months,

1035
01:02:28,840 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 1: right while it's really awkward and that and you have

1036
01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 1: a lot of fights and isn't that how are you

1037
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:39,080
Speaker 1: doing it? Right, that's always you needed this poem, this

1038
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,920
Speaker 1: poem I should have gotten towns. You should have been towns.

1039
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: So g W left and she went on on the

1040
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,720
Speaker 1: rest of the trip. She was bright and socials. She

1041
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 1: was talking to everybody she met, strangers on the train,

1042
01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: she was hanging out in the dining car telling stories.

1043
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:58,120
Speaker 1: She fascinated everyone. This is one of those entries where

1044
01:02:58,120 --> 01:03:01,880
Speaker 1: it's like men and women alike were just magnetized to her.

1045
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,840
Speaker 1: You know, her her stories and her brightness and her

1046
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 1: just fascinating nature. She went from Wyoming to Seattle. She

1047
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: went back to Bend visit her old hometown, and she

1048
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:18,000
Speaker 1: went down to Pasadena to visit her sick brother. And

1049
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: he had a condition that would later end up being

1050
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: called lu Garrig's disease had a different name back than

1051
01:03:24,040 --> 01:03:27,080
Speaker 1: just like the technical term. But he was he was

1052
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 1: not doing well, and that was really hard for her too.

1053
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 1: The rumors are flying now about George and Amelia. True,

1054
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: the rumors were taking a quick hop across the Atlantic

1055
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:44,480
Speaker 1: about George and Amelia, and George wrote to Dorothy urgently

1056
01:03:44,520 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: to come back home, um because these rumors were kind

1057
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,280
Speaker 1: of making their relationships seem more real. I guess, and

1058
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: he was worried, and Dorothy not being there was kind

1059
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: of adding fuel to the rumor mill fire, and he

1060
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,240
Speaker 1: just felt like she was getting further and further away

1061
01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: from him, and he was, for the first time actually

1062
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:07,720
Speaker 1: worried that he was going to lose his wife for good.

1063
01:04:08,840 --> 01:04:11,720
Speaker 1: And she did come back. George was doing damage control,

1064
01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,400
Speaker 1: all but admitting to Dorothy that there was an affair

1065
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: going on. Um Dorothy all but knew it was true.

1066
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they again like kind of like

1067
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:26,480
Speaker 1: with GW. Nothing was said explicitly, but everybody knew what

1068
01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 1: was true. What's going on here, There's no secret happening.

1069
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: And he was very worried about Amelia's public image, which

1070
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: I think Dorothy was like, oh, you're worried about Amelia's

1071
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 1: public but it does matter because of course she's She's

1072
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: this big symbol now in the world, so everything she

1073
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 1: does is going to be under a microscope. I think

1074
01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:47,360
Speaker 1: maybe he felt and if he didn't, he should have

1075
01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 1: a little guilt about her too, because he also thrust

1076
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,040
Speaker 1: her into the public eye and then put her in

1077
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 1: this prairie, very precarious situation of being the other woman,

1078
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: and he's like, I hate to make you famous and

1079
01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: then destroy you know, that's pretty fucked up, that's true.

1080
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 1: So I hope he at least had felt some guilt

1081
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: about that, right, or even had a conception of how

1082
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 1: that might be affecting her. But I get the impression

1083
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:12,680
Speaker 1: that that was included in the kind of damage control

1084
01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: he was trying to do. Okay, that's good. I mean,

1085
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 1: because he's a feminist, so right, you know that's that's something.

1086
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, so so he's doing all this damage control,

1087
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: and he asked Dorothy to go with them on an

1088
01:05:24,560 --> 01:05:28,680
Speaker 1: Arctic trip the next summer, and she was pissed about

1089
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: this because she knows the only reason he's asking her

1090
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: to go is because she's going to cover their ass. Basically,

1091
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 1: she's just there to make it look like a totally cool,

1092
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: kosher trip between friends. She wrote in her diary, I

1093
01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: don't want to go yet if I refuse, it's given

1094
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 1: up and blamed on my temper. And Sally writes about

1095
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 1: how hard it must have been for Dorothy to accept

1096
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 1: that her friend and her husband had fallen in love

1097
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:59,640
Speaker 1: with each other, and Dorothy didn't blame them, but she

1098
01:05:59,720 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 1: did have to deal with the fallout that her husband

1099
01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: had chosen another woman. Sally writes of her grandmother, Dorothy

1100
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,120
Speaker 1: must have wanted to tell the world I also love

1101
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 1: and have been loved too. Yeah. I think she just

1102
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: thought was like, why why is everyone so hung up

1103
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,720
Speaker 1: on what George and Amelia are doing? Like, don't it's

1104
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 1: just that's that objectification. I'm not just I'm not just

1105
01:06:20,520 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 1: the wife now object thing in the house, right Like,

1106
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: I'm a person who knows how to love, who knows

1107
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,280
Speaker 1: what love feels like, who wants that who? It's the

1108
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: driving factor of my whole life and it just can't be. Yeah,

1109
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:37,080
Speaker 1: And it's not that he's cheating on me because I'm

1110
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:42,880
Speaker 1: not desirable. People desire me, thank you very much. So

1111
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: between this and the loss of her affair with g

1112
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: W and her brother's illness, Dorothy is kind of depressed. Um.

1113
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 1: There's even some unsubtle hints in her diary that she

1114
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:58,760
Speaker 1: was considering suicide and g W kept showing up. He

1115
01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:01,320
Speaker 1: is like a friend of the family as things went

1116
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:05,480
Speaker 1: back then, so she's still bumping into him, and she's

1117
01:07:05,560 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: finding that kind of hard to of course, she wrote,

1118
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: why should one put oneself in a position of caring?

1119
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: So much. Why be so deeply hurt by another? A farewell,

1120
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: a gesture or worse, a forgotten gesture, a careless word

1121
01:07:21,080 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: or phrase from when you adore can hurt hurt so acutely. Lord,

1122
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:32,880
Speaker 1: I'm a fool. Is so EVOCU. I mean just it's

1123
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:35,720
Speaker 1: just so real to be like when you loved someone

1124
01:07:35,840 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: and you were close to them and then they're not

1125
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:39,920
Speaker 1: close to you in that way and you don't have

1126
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:42,960
Speaker 1: that permission that you used to have and you see

1127
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,640
Speaker 1: him do something that used to be so meaningful. Really,

1128
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 1: it's very heartbreaking, just very just a good writer too,

1129
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 1: of all the things, she's good at everything. But I

1130
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:56,840
Speaker 1: really like that made me like tear up a little

1131
01:07:56,840 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: bit to think about something is simple as that. Just

1132
01:08:01,640 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 1: he said goodbye in a different way, and it fucking

1133
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: bummed me out all day. Yep. So we're gonna go

1134
01:08:08,120 --> 01:08:12,040
Speaker 1: get a tissue, Um, try things up around here, and

1135
01:08:12,120 --> 01:08:21,920
Speaker 1: we'll be right back after this little break and welcome back.

1136
01:08:22,600 --> 01:08:27,040
Speaker 1: Amelia had just completed another record flight from California to

1137
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:33,799
Speaker 1: New York Transcontinental, and of course there's tension between Dorothy

1138
01:08:33,840 --> 01:08:38,679
Speaker 1: and Amelia, and that had only grown with time. Um,

1139
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:42,120
Speaker 1: But Dorothy still held Amelia in really high regard, really

1140
01:08:42,120 --> 01:08:45,880
Speaker 1: respected her and was grateful for the barriers she was

1141
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,040
Speaker 1: breaking for women. So she, you know, she was like, respect,

1142
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:53,080
Speaker 1: but get out of my house. She and George went

1143
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:55,479
Speaker 1: to New Haven to meet Amelia for a dinner at

1144
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,080
Speaker 1: a Yale club, where g W came to join them.

1145
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: And who is with GW? Darcy Kellogg, Darcy Kellogg, And

1146
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: so poor Dorothy is duck at this table with these

1147
01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: two happy couples, and one of them is this guy.

1148
01:09:16,439 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: She's still, i mean, has at least a soft spot for,

1149
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:23,640
Speaker 1: if not active feelings, and so she just could not

1150
01:09:23,720 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 1: take it. She was disgusted, I mean literally nauseated by

1151
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: having to pretend to be Mrs Petnam in front of everyone,

1152
01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 1: knowing that that was bullshit. Yeah, she like literally got

1153
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:37,880
Speaker 1: sick and had to get up and leave the table.

1154
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 1: In the morning, George came to her bedside and they

1155
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: both talked, and they both cried at having been, you know,

1156
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:49,280
Speaker 1: just antagonistic to each other for so long. She wrote,

1157
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:53,040
Speaker 1: I guess we're all wrong, both of us, and we're

1158
01:09:53,080 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: messing up our two lives pretty thoroughly. And in the

1159
01:09:56,400 --> 01:10:00,559
Speaker 1: coming weeks, George tried desperately to make things right. Sally

1160
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: writes that there's no question that he loved her still

1161
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 1: and he really wanted to win her back. He started

1162
01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: to break off some of his dates with Amelia, first

1163
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:11,360
Speaker 1: just a few, and eventually Dorothy wrote that he broke

1164
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: off all their dates all together. She wrote, I'm trying,

1165
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: rather stupidly, I feel, to settle down to the humdrum

1166
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: existence of middle aged women. Men at this stage just

1167
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 1: begin to have their fling. Makes me think of Steve

1168
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: Martin and the Dating Game episode. He was like, you know,

1169
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:33,240
Speaker 1: I'm sixty seven, I've had a career, I've done it all,

1170
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: so now I'm happy to settle down and be a

1171
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:39,439
Speaker 1: dad to a baby. And I was like, like you, Steve,

1172
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:41,920
Speaker 1: I think that's exactly how you think. That is what

1173
01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:47,080
Speaker 1: I said, actually, but yes, okay, well some of us

1174
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,920
Speaker 1: have to do all of that all at the same time.

1175
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,120
Speaker 1: But everything George was doing, it wasn't enough for Dorothy.

1176
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 1: He obviously couldn't fully stay away from Amelia. They had

1177
01:10:57,479 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 1: so much to deal with for work and beside, Dorothy

1178
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:03,719
Speaker 1: just didn't really see any possible way to repair things.

1179
01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 1: At this point, she had been wistfully dreaming of something

1180
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:11,240
Speaker 1: else for just far too long. So now it's and

1181
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: an old friend popped up after two yearst into the navy,

1182
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:23,240
Speaker 1: Frank Upton, and he immediately starts making moves on Dorothy.

1183
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,400
Speaker 1: This guy's a war hero. He dove from a destroyer

1184
01:11:28,600 --> 01:11:32,880
Speaker 1: into burning wreckage to rescue sailors after their ship it exploded.

1185
01:11:34,040 --> 01:11:38,439
Speaker 1: I mean, that's pretty cool story, cruise level action right there.

1186
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:46,360
Speaker 1: Sally calls him intensely attractive. Dorothy seems, though, to think

1187
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:50,720
Speaker 1: he was just pretty okay. She wrote, if he had

1188
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:54,400
Speaker 1: better teeth, he'd be a very stunning man, very much

1189
01:11:54,439 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 1: a mirror mail, though mirror male mer Mail. You're just

1190
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: a male, not like the gods I've been, you know,

1191
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:09,120
Speaker 1: like g W a barbarian god, I mean, and and

1192
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 1: George is something of a titan himself, so sure, I mean, yeah,

1193
01:12:12,840 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: there's these some big shoes to fill. But then on

1194
01:12:16,360 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: November three, Amelia announced that she'd broken her engagement to

1195
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:27,639
Speaker 1: Sam Chapman. Oh so that's not good news for old

1196
01:12:27,800 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: Georgian Dorothy. Dorothy's journals had already started to hint that

1197
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:35,040
Speaker 1: her opinion of Amelia was deteriorating at this point, but

1198
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:39,400
Speaker 1: now her frustrations were really becoming clear. Dorothy's brother had

1199
01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: recently passed away, and she wrote in her diary, Amelia

1200
01:12:43,000 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: has never once written me about my brother's death. She

1201
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 1: spent the weekend here and not mentioned it. Nor has

1202
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: she spoken of my Christmas gift to her, Nor did

1203
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,160
Speaker 1: she even speak to the three servants in the house,

1204
01:12:54,240 --> 01:12:57,439
Speaker 1: although she spent twelve solid weeks living here last summer.

1205
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,960
Speaker 1: Bad manners, yet she certainly manages herself wonderfully, says g P.

1206
01:13:06,080 --> 01:13:08,720
Speaker 1: She's so mad, she's like this bench couldn't even talk

1207
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:11,240
Speaker 1: to the help. I mean, that is rude, though it's

1208
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:14,839
Speaker 1: too good. Yeah, absolutely, that's rude. That is rude. Meanwhile,

1209
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:17,320
Speaker 1: George and Amelia are still going around the country to

1210
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 1: various conventions and society meetings and stuff for this publicity tour,

1211
01:13:23,520 --> 01:13:26,759
Speaker 1: and Dorothy notes how absurd it is that he tries

1212
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 1: to tell her who she's allowed to hang out with.

1213
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 1: And if Dorothy ever made a comment about Amelia to George,

1214
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,960
Speaker 1: George would apparently go off and tell Amelia about it immediately,

1215
01:13:39,160 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: which George snitches gets ditches now, and he'd tell Amelia

1216
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,479
Speaker 1: make sure you write to Dorothy about her brother. Make

1217
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 1: sure you mentioned the Christmas gifts and ship, so I

1218
01:13:51,720 --> 01:13:54,879
Speaker 1: mean making Dorothy look petty first of all, in my opinion,

1219
01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:59,120
Speaker 1: Dorothy called her a brainless puppet and said, Lord, how

1220
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:04,519
Speaker 1: she must low it if she stops to think, or

1221
01:14:04,560 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: that the girl must really hate using her brain. Now

1222
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:11,560
Speaker 1: you can tell it's starting away on Dorothy. In January

1223
01:14:11,560 --> 01:14:16,799
Speaker 1: of nine, she wrote, I'm becoming a shrew, a nag,

1224
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: a scene maker. I who loathe all three would to god,

1225
01:14:21,160 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: I could suddenly become a neuter, sexless, brainless, and like

1226
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,680
Speaker 1: millions of others, just occupy myself with clubs, politics, etcetera.

1227
01:14:29,960 --> 01:14:33,880
Speaker 1: And George is dictating all her behaviors to her. Don't

1228
01:14:33,880 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: see this person, don't give money to that person, right

1229
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:40,679
Speaker 1: to this person, don't write to that person. Just being

1230
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:43,759
Speaker 1: a real tool basically, So he is dictating to Dorothy

1231
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: and Amelia more or less. Yeah, you know you need

1232
01:14:47,120 --> 01:14:48,880
Speaker 1: to behave. I need to put you in this box

1233
01:14:49,080 --> 01:14:51,040
Speaker 1: and Amelia in that box, and I'm going to arrange

1234
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:53,200
Speaker 1: these boxes in such a way that everything's gonna be

1235
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,000
Speaker 1: hunky dory and we can all get what we want,

1236
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 1: which of course means I get what I want and

1237
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: you all learn what you want from me? Yeah, which

1238
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're kind of right too, because he's

1239
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 1: forgetting whoever he's putting in those boxes have their own

1240
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,320
Speaker 1: ideas about how things should be, and he's not really

1241
01:15:10,360 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 1: taking that into consideration. Yeah, and I think it's just

1242
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:18,120
Speaker 1: I mean, he again like maybe he sees this sort

1243
01:15:18,120 --> 01:15:20,920
Speaker 1: of world that Dorothy is more expected to be in

1244
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: as perfectly fine. Why wouldn't she love that she gets

1245
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 1: to travel whenever she wants, she's she loves the kids,

1246
01:15:27,800 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: she loves the house, she's got the money. Come on,

1247
01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:33,439
Speaker 1: mm hmm. That's true. And he's probably like, well, I'm

1248
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 1: a feminist, Like I get it. Cool, But it's like

1249
01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,160
Speaker 1: that's sort of the thing, though, is when you get

1250
01:15:40,200 --> 01:15:43,879
Speaker 1: to a point where somebody has decided you've got enough liberty,

1251
01:15:44,720 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 1: and then you're kind of like what if I don't?

1252
01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 1: And they're like, well, what are you bitching about? You

1253
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 1: had more than you used to, you know, the sort

1254
01:15:50,080 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: of like well, how did you get to decide how

1255
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 1: much liberty I get to enjoy? So that would be

1256
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:57,120
Speaker 1: frustrating anyway, Even if you were happy with the way

1257
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: it was, you'd just be like, I want to just

1258
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:06,599
Speaker 1: challenge you just maybe that's just me. Well, fortunately Dorothy

1259
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 1: at least has this other guy on the side now, right,

1260
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,160
Speaker 1: Frank Frank Upton. She's got some diary and truth about

1261
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: Frank Upton. And guess what special symbol starts popping up again?

1262
01:16:20,680 --> 01:16:25,120
Speaker 1: Dick something, I don't remember what we said, right, the

1263
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 1: bone snake Dick. Yeah, I don't know if I can't

1264
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: remember everything that we said, something like that. Yeah, that's

1265
01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 1: that one. That's simple. It's back up anyway. So they're

1266
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: doing it, is the thing. She's she's doing it with

1267
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 1: Frank on the side. But this affair was very, very

1268
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 1: different from the one with g W because Frank was

1269
01:16:54,160 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 1: very domineering personality, pretty aggressive, and very insistent, and he

1270
01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 1: joked about their differences. He was like, you're smarter than me.

1271
01:17:04,280 --> 01:17:08,240
Speaker 1: They both know it, but I both knew that. Um.

1272
01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,840
Speaker 1: He was kind of in awe of her social status

1273
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 1: and all her world travels and stuff, and she liked

1274
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: his untamed, wild nature and at times his domineering personality

1275
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 1: frightened her, which is a red flag, and he was

1276
01:17:23,720 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: pressuring her a lot into a permanent relationship. He was like,

1277
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: leave him and come on and marry me. So George

1278
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:33,440
Speaker 1: and Dorothy kept blaming each other for their marriage troubles,

1279
01:17:34,040 --> 01:17:38,280
Speaker 1: and things just got worse between them. She wrote, he

1280
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 1: wants this, I demand that. Probably each of us is

1281
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,680
Speaker 1: unfair to the other, and I hate it all. She

1282
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,559
Speaker 1: was just really lost and confused. She kept asking what

1283
01:17:48,680 --> 01:17:51,799
Speaker 1: life was all about, whether she was just resenting getting

1284
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:54,840
Speaker 1: older and things changing, or if she was longing for

1285
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:58,240
Speaker 1: change and trying to make it happen for herself deliberately.

1286
01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:01,880
Speaker 1: And she's also just getting more and more frustrated with George.

1287
01:18:02,120 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 1: You know, they'd be talking and she wouldn't be able

1288
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: to help but to let out a sharp quip about Amelia,

1289
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,080
Speaker 1: and then he'd get defensive. That would set them off

1290
01:18:11,120 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 1: and they'd fight and fight. And at some point Dorothy

1291
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:19,800
Speaker 1: was certain that he was reading her diary. She said

1292
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 1: he must have done so to say the things he

1293
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,639
Speaker 1: did this morning just so rude. So she's like, he knew,

1294
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,200
Speaker 1: he knew. He I never said that to him. Oh yeah,

1295
01:18:28,280 --> 01:18:30,840
Speaker 1: he was like, ah, man, my back is stiff today.

1296
01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:35,840
Speaker 1: It feels like a spirally snake with a bone, And

1297
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,280
Speaker 1: she's like, how would you know about the snake bone?

1298
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:44,120
Speaker 1: The bone my personal design. But look Dorothy and Amelia

1299
01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:47,960
Speaker 1: did continue with their friendship to some degree. Maybe this

1300
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: was because they each had such unique experiences that it

1301
01:18:51,840 --> 01:18:54,720
Speaker 1: was hard to find people who could relate, you know,

1302
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:58,599
Speaker 1: but it was strange. Whatever it was, they still totally

1303
01:18:58,600 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: respected each other for the women they were, despite the

1304
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:04,479
Speaker 1: conflict over the man that was between them. Amelia had

1305
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: been appointed assistant to the General Traffic Manager of the

1306
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:13,440
Speaker 1: Transcontinental Air Transport. That's such a long what a mouthful.

1307
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:16,559
Speaker 1: I'm the assistant to the General traffic manager of the

1308
01:19:16,560 --> 01:19:21,360
Speaker 1: Transcontinental Air Transport. No, you're the assistant general traffic manager

1309
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: of the assistant to the general traffic You guys that

1310
01:19:26,840 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 1: you know the thing. They were hoping that attaching her

1311
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 1: image would get more people flying, specifically women flying. Um

1312
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:39,400
Speaker 1: And since Dorothy had been fascinated by planes ever since

1313
01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 1: she was a child, you know, she loved the right

1314
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:45,479
Speaker 1: brothers um Amelia chose her to be the first woman

1315
01:19:45,520 --> 01:19:49,240
Speaker 1: to fly around trip from coast to coast in a

1316
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:53,800
Speaker 1: commercial airplane. And of course, after this flight, big deal

1317
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 1: press tour ensues. They love a press tour after they

1318
01:19:58,120 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 1: do anything, and Dorothy, George and Amelia were once again

1319
01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: whisked away on a pr event, which was going to

1320
01:20:04,280 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 1: involve Amelia doing a deep sea dive off the coast

1321
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 1: of Rhode Island on Block Island. The Block Island Historical

1322
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 1: Society says Amelia became the first woman to exit from

1323
01:20:14,920 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 1: a submerged submarine. So the submarine goes down underwater, she

1324
01:20:19,240 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: gets into little airlock with the diver suit on, the old,

1325
01:20:22,400 --> 01:20:25,360
Speaker 1: old fashioned classic diver suit with the with the tube

1326
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:28,479
Speaker 1: coming out the top, little cage door on front. Like

1327
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: it's awesome, O g right, So she she gets out um.

1328
01:20:35,200 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 1: On her first attempt, the suit leaked and she had

1329
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,040
Speaker 1: to come back up. But on the second attempt, she

1330
01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: walked on the bottom of the ocean at a depth

1331
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 1: of twenty ft, something no woman had ever done before,

1332
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: at least no woman had ever exited a submarine underwater

1333
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:54,680
Speaker 1: to do that. Dorothy actually mentions that she and her

1334
01:20:54,720 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 1: son David had done a dive in the exact same

1335
01:20:57,200 --> 01:21:01,680
Speaker 1: equipment in the Galapagos four years earlier. So she's like,

1336
01:21:01,760 --> 01:21:03,800
Speaker 1: maybe I didn't do a little press tour about it,

1337
01:21:04,120 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 1: but yeah, I did step out of a submarine to

1338
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:08,720
Speaker 1: do it. I jumped off a boat to do it.

1339
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: Or however, she did you know but still still a

1340
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,759
Speaker 1: big deal. And in fact, there was a newspaper article

1341
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:18,160
Speaker 1: that came out after the first faulty attempt where her

1342
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:20,800
Speaker 1: suit leaked and said that Amelia backed out because she

1343
01:21:20,880 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: had a lack of nerve, and Dorothy came out and

1344
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:25,960
Speaker 1: was like, that is not what happened, and she got

1345
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: real defensive about her friend who you know, obviously there

1346
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: was a reason, and then she did it. The second

1347
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:34,439
Speaker 1: day after the dive, Amelia, Dorothy, and a couple of

1348
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: guys that were there on the same expedition all did

1349
01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:41,559
Speaker 1: the exit of the submarine underwater and dived up to

1350
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:44,120
Speaker 1: the surface. They were the only two women in the

1351
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:47,800
Speaker 1: world to have done this, and once again, Dorothy the

1352
01:21:47,840 --> 01:21:51,200
Speaker 1: second woman ever to have accomplished this feat, just like

1353
01:21:51,240 --> 01:21:53,120
Speaker 1: when she was a second woman ever to vote in Oregon.

1354
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: But Dorothy had made some clever equips about the trip,

1355
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: and George was like, Hey, that's pretty good. I'm gonna

1356
01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: go to the press. Hey, press, guess what Amelia Earhart

1357
01:22:03,800 --> 01:22:09,080
Speaker 1: said something real clever, totally stole her ship. Oh hell no, yeah,

1358
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: you might be fucking my friend. We can talk about that,

1359
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: but you want to steal my jokes? Oh hell no.

1360
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 1: We have a problem. And of course Dorothy was not

1361
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: the type to go to the press and make clever

1362
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:26,920
Speaker 1: quips or anything like that. But George, at least if

1363
01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:29,040
Speaker 1: he was, could have been like, hey, my wife said

1364
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 1: this funny thing instead of Amelia. But you know he's

1365
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:35,200
Speaker 1: trying to build up her image. Well yeah, and he's like,

1366
01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 1: if Amelia says it, then it'll be a headline. And

1367
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:42,360
Speaker 1: you say that nobody cares. Diving rude, very rude. So yeah,

1368
01:22:42,360 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 1: this pr machine was continuing to drive George and Amelia,

1369
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: and Dorothy was getting sick of all this attention. She

1370
01:22:50,920 --> 01:22:53,559
Speaker 1: never wanted this fame that George was looking for, so

1371
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,400
Speaker 1: after all this attention from the flight and the dive,

1372
01:22:56,560 --> 01:23:00,000
Speaker 1: she was more determined than ever to cut him loose.

1373
01:23:00,600 --> 01:23:04,439
Speaker 1: She wrote, the end is inevitable, so she's like, straight

1374
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:09,160
Speaker 1: up Thano's feelings. But the big risk was how destructive

1375
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,320
Speaker 1: the separation would be, and she was worried that he'd

1376
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 1: been reading her diaries to get evidence in their eventual

1377
01:23:15,880 --> 01:23:20,160
Speaker 1: divorce suits. So her references to both Frank and g

1378
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:24,000
Speaker 1: W who's still a dear friend in her life, became

1379
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 1: more cryptic in her diaries going forward, and Frank had said,

1380
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:31,680
Speaker 1: I want to devote the rest of my life to

1381
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 1: repaying your great generosity and trying to be worthy of

1382
01:23:34,920 --> 01:23:39,479
Speaker 1: your love, and tied it into an ultimatum, which actually

1383
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:42,400
Speaker 1: flattered her and pushed her harder to kind of make

1384
01:23:42,439 --> 01:23:45,760
Speaker 1: this divorce happen. Frank's really chomping at the bed here

1385
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:49,760
Speaker 1: to get married, so I mean yeah, he basically said like,

1386
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,360
Speaker 1: if you don't, I gotta go. And look, in terms

1387
01:23:52,400 --> 01:23:56,960
Speaker 1: of public image, most people were on Dorothy's side. I mean,

1388
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, the rumors are totally out there there in

1389
01:23:59,680 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: the press at this point that George and Amelia are

1390
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: having a fling, and they saw Dorothy as being this,

1391
01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:10,519
Speaker 1: you know, humiliated wife. George and Amelia's obvious affair was

1392
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:13,439
Speaker 1: something that she had to deal with and she didn't

1393
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,600
Speaker 1: want to give that up. Having the press and the

1394
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:19,400
Speaker 1: and the general public on her side was something that

1395
01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 1: she was like, I need that for this divorce. George

1396
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:24,519
Speaker 1: kind of has all the power here, so I need

1397
01:24:24,520 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 1: the rep So she's like, hey, Frank, why don't you

1398
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,839
Speaker 1: take a little trip to get out of town because

1399
01:24:32,120 --> 01:24:35,439
Speaker 1: if people see me and Frank, they're gonna be like, oh,

1400
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,960
Speaker 1: this is just two people cheating on each other. But

1401
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:40,879
Speaker 1: if they see George and Amelia and then me all alone,

1402
01:24:41,360 --> 01:24:44,080
Speaker 1: I'm the wounded wife, you know. So that that was

1403
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:47,160
Speaker 1: a little more sympathetic for her. So she's told trying

1404
01:24:47,280 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 1: to take a hike. I love that, Dorothy. Solution to

1405
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:55,160
Speaker 1: any problem is either me or you is taking a trip.

1406
01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 1: I thought long and hard about this, and I think

1407
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: I've got a so suan But separating from George, even

1408
01:25:03,920 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: with the public sort of perception on her size, still

1409
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 1: wasn't going to be easy. These rumors about George and Amelia,

1410
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 1: We're going to give her a good excuse to act.

1411
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 1: But divorce was still considered really scandalous in especially for

1412
01:25:18,760 --> 01:25:21,439
Speaker 1: a couple as famous and rich as they were, like

1413
01:25:22,280 --> 01:25:24,960
Speaker 1: the Putnam divorce. You know that's going to be a

1414
01:25:25,240 --> 01:25:31,360
Speaker 1: national headline scandal. So she decided for a reno divorce,

1415
01:25:31,720 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 1: which means we're going to take a quick fling with history.

1416
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: Well who knew. So Nevada achieved statehood in eighteen sixty four,

1417
01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:47,280
Speaker 1: and their residency requirement to be a citizen was only

1418
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:52,040
Speaker 1: six months, so residents could file a lawsuit, including a

1419
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:57,640
Speaker 1: divorce suit, in Nevada court. So after this became like

1420
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:02,880
Speaker 1: a hit with divorce seekers at free rare like come

1421
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,680
Speaker 1: to Nevada. It was like a big business. What you

1422
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 1: do is hang out here for six months, you're good

1423
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 1: to go and get a lawyer and you're good to go. Um.

1424
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:15,040
Speaker 1: In fact, got so popular that in nine progressive reformers

1425
01:26:15,080 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 1: and religious groups and women's organizations pressured the state into

1426
01:26:19,200 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 1: extending the residency requirement to a year. Yeah. They were like, hey, uh,

1427
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 1: it's way too easy to get a divorce here, and

1428
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 1: that's not really working out well for a lot of people.

1429
01:26:29,280 --> 01:26:32,080
Speaker 1: And they're like, uh, yeah, it's working out great for us.

1430
01:26:32,120 --> 01:26:38,360
Speaker 1: That's kind of the whole point. Divorce business is a booman. Yeah,

1431
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:40,479
Speaker 1: And they were not wrong, because as soon as they

1432
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:45,120
Speaker 1: change the residency requirement, the divorce trade crumbled, and business

1433
01:26:45,120 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: owners who had been profiting from the influx of divorces

1434
01:26:48,760 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: who were up in arms. I mean, imagine you've just

1435
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,599
Speaker 1: got like a little mom and pop restaurant and you're

1436
01:26:53,640 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 1: like the tourism trade here. Everybody who comes to visit

1437
01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:01,720
Speaker 1: stays here for six months, that's pretty business. And then

1438
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: you know that all goes away if it's a full year.

1439
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,000
Speaker 1: Like nobody's gonna do it. They're just gonna get divorced

1440
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:08,640
Speaker 1: in their home state. Yeah, so two years later the

1441
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:13,759
Speaker 1: requirement went back to six months. They were like, just kidding,

1442
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:19,160
Speaker 1: strike that reverse it. And after World War One there

1443
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:27,200
Speaker 1: was what Reno divorce history dot org. There's a website.

1444
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:34,120
Speaker 1: It's actually fascinating. It's a very interesting thing to have

1445
01:27:34,200 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 1: to be like a feather in your cap of Nevada

1446
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 1: the divorce capital of the country. Anyway, they after World

1447
01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,599
Speaker 1: War One there was what Reno divorce history dot org

1448
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:52,520
Speaker 1: calls a divorce trade war between Nevada, Idaho, and Arkansas.

1449
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:59,720
Speaker 1: The state legislature reduced the residency requirement to three months.

1450
01:27:58,920 --> 01:28:01,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god. So it were like literally dip you

1451
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:05,720
Speaker 1: to and Reno and you can get a divorce. And

1452
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:09,320
Speaker 1: when challenged, the Supreme Court upheld the law. So I

1453
01:28:09,439 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 1: was like, whatever, well, I'll tell you. It wasn't even

1454
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:16,839
Speaker 1: just Nevada, Idaho and Arkansas. France and Mexico were also

1455
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: competing for divorcing couples. This was like a whole trade

1456
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:24,439
Speaker 1: industry that people were trying to make a lot of

1457
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 1: money off of. You're like, you know what, everybody loves

1458
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:32,480
Speaker 1: a divorce. They're like the wedding industry is massively profitable.

1459
01:28:32,840 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 1: Half of those customers are gonna need another thing very

1460
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 1: you know, within five years, and I think we can

1461
01:28:40,680 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 1: provide it to him. And France, Mexico and Nevada, Idaho

1462
01:28:44,680 --> 01:28:48,200
Speaker 1: and Arkansas all competing for this, and Nevada definitely was

1463
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,240
Speaker 1: like fuck it. Three months, you're a You're an official

1464
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Nevada in That's it. That's all I need. My bar

1465
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:57,200
Speaker 1: was very low, you know. The only requirement was during

1466
01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,000
Speaker 1: the period of three months that you were there, you

1467
01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 1: could not leave the state for more than twenty four hours,

1468
01:29:01,640 --> 01:29:04,719
Speaker 1: and a resident of Nevada had to be a witness

1469
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,640
Speaker 1: to testify that they had seen you in person each day,

1470
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:10,599
Speaker 1: so you know, yeah, they had to have a good

1471
01:29:10,640 --> 01:29:14,320
Speaker 1: Nevada friend or you know, just stay there, which I mean,

1472
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, I frequently don't leave the state for three

1473
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:20,519
Speaker 1: months at a time. It's not that hard. And for

1474
01:29:20,560 --> 01:29:24,280
Speaker 1: someone like Dorothy Putnam, this was a cakewalk. I mean,

1475
01:29:24,640 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 1: hobbing on her train heading out to Nevada for three

1476
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:29,640
Speaker 1: months not a big deal. She was frequently out of

1477
01:29:29,680 --> 01:29:32,479
Speaker 1: town for that long. So she leased a house in Reno,

1478
01:29:32,880 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 1: which at the time it was a small remote town,

1479
01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:38,320
Speaker 1: and she ordered her train tickets to head out there

1480
01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: before she left. It was gonna be George's forty two birthday.

1481
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,080
Speaker 1: Now George knew what was happening. This wasn't like she

1482
01:29:46,160 --> 01:29:48,960
Speaker 1: was sneaking away to file a divorce. They had made

1483
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 1: this decision, and she decided to arrange for him to

1484
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:55,160
Speaker 1: be on a camping trip with their son David to

1485
01:29:55,240 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 1: avoid a difficult goodbye when she left. Before he left,

1486
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,559
Speaker 1: they took a long walk together in the garden and

1487
01:30:01,720 --> 01:30:06,040
Speaker 1: they both we're really despondent, they cried. Um. They had

1488
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:10,519
Speaker 1: a really you know, sad conversation. She wrote, it is

1489
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:14,880
Speaker 1: like death. It is utterly sad and wretched. And if

1490
01:30:14,920 --> 01:30:17,920
Speaker 1: we were quarreling heartily, it might be easier. But this

1491
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 1: solemnness is too sad. We're both sunk, and yet I

1492
01:30:22,439 --> 01:30:24,680
Speaker 1: have not the slightest feeling of response to him, and

1493
01:30:24,760 --> 01:30:27,960
Speaker 1: I haven't had for years. I can't be his wire.

1494
01:30:28,439 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: God help me. That's just another really sad moment, you know,

1495
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 1: if people separating, kind of like when she and g

1496
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:39,120
Speaker 1: W broke up. She's like, this would be so much

1497
01:30:39,200 --> 01:30:41,439
Speaker 1: easier if it was just like, fuck you, I'm out

1498
01:30:41,439 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 1: of here. You're an asshole. But you know, when they

1499
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 1: do sit down and talk to each other, I think

1500
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:47,840
Speaker 1: they kind of start to see what they had and

1501
01:30:47,880 --> 01:30:50,839
Speaker 1: it gets a lot harder. So she left for Nevada

1502
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: shortly after and brought their son June, with them. G

1503
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:58,120
Speaker 1: W had sent her yellow roses, which she held close

1504
01:30:58,200 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: to her the entire trip. She stepped off the train

1505
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,880
Speaker 1: with them in Reno. Days later, she wrote about how

1506
01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,479
Speaker 1: she just couldn't believe that this was happening, and she

1507
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: said the flowers helped her feel not so alone and isolated.

1508
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: And George kept writing urgent letters to her, relentlessly trying

1509
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,600
Speaker 1: to stop the divorce. Um He said he had items

1510
01:31:18,640 --> 01:31:21,640
Speaker 1: that could prevent the divorce in any court, which she

1511
01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 1: presumed to be like affectionate telegrams between her and g W,

1512
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:29,280
Speaker 1: which the dirty sneak, as she called him, stole from

1513
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,839
Speaker 1: her personal stuff. She didn't understand why he'd use evidence

1514
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:36,000
Speaker 1: which should make him want to divorce her as a

1515
01:31:36,080 --> 01:31:39,120
Speaker 1: means to stop the divorce, which is true, because it

1516
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,519
Speaker 1: would be like proof of adultery is the way to

1517
01:31:41,600 --> 01:31:45,000
Speaker 1: get a divorce, So it's like dodge, dodge, Look, my

1518
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:47,240
Speaker 1: wife's been cheating on me make her stay with me.

1519
01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,600
Speaker 1: And the other thing is George was also kind of

1520
01:31:51,640 --> 01:31:56,320
Speaker 1: nervous for Dorothy. She was obviously independently wealthy, and then

1521
01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:58,559
Speaker 1: whatever she would get out of the divorce would probably

1522
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: be pretty decent too, And he was kind of worried

1523
01:32:02,479 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 1: that some guy was going to come up and take

1524
01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:08,320
Speaker 1: advantage of her, her pretty charitable nature, which she did have.

1525
01:32:08,840 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: And he said, all right, I am not going to

1526
01:32:11,960 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 1: agree to a divorce until you establish an unbreakable trust

1527
01:32:16,479 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 1: fund for the boys. She agreed. She was like, you

1528
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: know what, that's not a bad idea. So she bought

1529
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:28,000
Speaker 1: two thousand shares in trust for her sons in September

1530
01:32:28,720 --> 01:32:36,080
Speaker 1: of nineteen twenty nine. Yeah, if we remember our history,

1531
01:32:36,520 --> 01:32:40,720
Speaker 1: investing a ship ton of money into into trust in

1532
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:44,680
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty nine is not didn't turn out to be

1533
01:32:44,680 --> 01:32:48,599
Speaker 1: the best choice you could have known. But a month

1534
01:32:48,680 --> 01:32:53,040
Speaker 1: later that stock wasn't doing so hot, right, not really.

1535
01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: In late October, she was writing how nervous she and

1536
01:32:56,439 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 1: George and Frank all were about their stockholdings. I mean,

1537
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: fortunately they were secure enough to hold onto their real

1538
01:33:03,400 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 1: estate and other assets, so they weren't like plunged into

1539
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:09,920
Speaker 1: poverty like many people were at that time. But they

1540
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: lost a lot of money on paper. Yeah, But even

1541
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:17,559
Speaker 1: after agreeing to a split custody right even after setting

1542
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:20,240
Speaker 1: up a cash arrangement for Dorothy, however much she was

1543
01:33:20,280 --> 01:33:23,080
Speaker 1: going to get in the divorce and settling the expenses

1544
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 1: for the boys, George was going to pay all of

1545
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: David's expenses and half of June's, so all Dorothy was

1546
01:33:28,280 --> 01:33:30,280
Speaker 1: on the hook for was half of one of their

1547
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: kids expenses. But even after all these agreements, George was

1548
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:38,519
Speaker 1: still not letting go. He wrote daily affectionate letters without

1549
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:42,920
Speaker 1: Amelia knowing to Dorothy, and Dorothy felt like George was

1550
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: suddenly realizing what it meant to not have an anchor,

1551
01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 1: as she called it, someone in charge of the home,

1552
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 1: responsible for the atmosphere. He was finally seeing all that

1553
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 1: she'd been to him as a wife, and this made

1554
01:33:58,280 --> 01:34:01,680
Speaker 1: things even harder for Dorothy, who again just wish they

1555
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:05,639
Speaker 1: could just be fighting. She asked why too intelligent adults

1556
01:34:05,680 --> 01:34:09,280
Speaker 1: couldn't just get along after all the years they'd spent together.

1557
01:34:10,360 --> 01:34:13,519
Speaker 1: On top of that, she was still very uncertain about

1558
01:34:13,560 --> 01:34:17,360
Speaker 1: marrying Frank. She hadn't really officially agreed to it yet.

1559
01:34:17,439 --> 01:34:21,120
Speaker 1: She it was kind of understood, but it wasn't anything

1560
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:25,240
Speaker 1: she'd said yes to, and in being separated from him,

1561
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 1: their differences were becoming more clear and intense. She wrote,

1562
01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:34,960
Speaker 1: in three years, I shall be dead suicide or death

1563
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:40,880
Speaker 1: or divorced again death. I hope, God God right. I mean,

1564
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:46,040
Speaker 1: she is feeling it, but she couldn't really commit to

1565
01:34:46,120 --> 01:34:48,799
Speaker 1: that because she was so worried about her son, June,

1566
01:34:49,479 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 1: leaving him without her. The night before her divorce, she

1567
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,360
Speaker 1: had hoped to be filled with relief and probably a

1568
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,439
Speaker 1: little bit of celebration, but all she could think of

1569
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:02,800
Speaker 1: were the good times, the hike up Mount Whitney, the

1570
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:07,400
Speaker 1: house and Bend, the new mansion, and their first garden together.

1571
01:35:08,680 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: Eighteen years of marriage now felt like something wonderful that

1572
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 1: was coming to an end. Her final entry as a

1573
01:35:15,680 --> 01:35:20,040
Speaker 1: married woman was one word misery, but she knew she

1574
01:35:20,080 --> 01:35:24,719
Speaker 1: needed to be free to find herself and truly feel alive,

1575
01:35:24,920 --> 01:35:28,840
Speaker 1: because clearly she's very depressed and she's like something's got

1576
01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:32,320
Speaker 1: to give, which is so so real, you know what

1577
01:35:32,360 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 1: I mean, Like, I'm glad we're doing this story because

1578
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:40,040
Speaker 1: it feels like we haven't really done a sad divorce yet,

1579
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 1: which there's a lot of them where people just realize,

1580
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:46,080
Speaker 1: you know, we're just not right together. But it makes

1581
01:35:46,120 --> 01:35:49,080
Speaker 1: me really heartbroken that we're not right together. I wish,

1582
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:51,559
Speaker 1: I wish so much that it was different. It's not

1583
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:54,240
Speaker 1: that I hate you, We just make we just make

1584
01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:58,320
Speaker 1: each other miserable with small things, and I don't know,

1585
01:35:58,479 --> 01:36:01,000
Speaker 1: just that feeling of like just wishing you could be

1586
01:36:01,040 --> 01:36:03,200
Speaker 1: different and make it all go back to what it

1587
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:05,599
Speaker 1: used to be and all that kind of thing. I mean,

1588
01:36:05,600 --> 01:36:08,000
Speaker 1: I'm feeling badly for her because obviously she's in a

1589
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:11,439
Speaker 1: dark place in her mind. It could be too, I was.

1590
01:36:11,560 --> 01:36:13,839
Speaker 1: I try to remember when something is based on diaries

1591
01:36:13,880 --> 01:36:15,719
Speaker 1: that of course, when you write in your diary sometimes

1592
01:36:15,760 --> 01:36:19,679
Speaker 1: you're in a heightened emotional sort and over exaggerate about

1593
01:36:19,720 --> 01:36:21,960
Speaker 1: how you're feeling, you know what I mean. So you

1594
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 1: might be like, yeah, I wish I was dead, you

1595
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:25,960
Speaker 1: know what I mean. But you're like, I don't really

1596
01:36:25,960 --> 01:36:28,960
Speaker 1: wish that. I just at that moment, it was the

1597
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,360
Speaker 1: only way to express how I was feeling. You know.

1598
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:34,360
Speaker 1: It's just keeping that in mind think about this time too,

1599
01:36:34,640 --> 01:36:37,200
Speaker 1: and and what she needs to do to distract herself,

1600
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:40,400
Speaker 1: because I think you sit in your feelings a lot

1601
01:36:40,439 --> 01:36:43,160
Speaker 1: longer in this era. I mean, you know, they didn't

1602
01:36:43,200 --> 01:36:49,200
Speaker 1: have Hulu um and and they're not getting notifications every

1603
01:36:49,240 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 1: thirty seconds to be like, no, think of this now,

1604
01:36:51,439 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 1: no think of that now. You know you're really just

1605
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,719
Speaker 1: kind of sitting with your feelings for long periods of time.

1606
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:59,920
Speaker 1: But I agree, I mean, I think looking at this

1607
01:37:00,280 --> 01:37:05,200
Speaker 1: different kind of separation, I mean, usually it's like you

1608
01:37:05,240 --> 01:37:06,720
Speaker 1: cut my dick off. Of course you're going to get

1609
01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 1: a divorce, But this is like, you know, you just

1610
01:37:10,160 --> 01:37:12,479
Speaker 1: do people who just really couldn't make it work. And

1611
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:16,800
Speaker 1: it's like, I imagine that a divorce like this is

1612
01:37:17,560 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: very similar to a breakup that you had already agreed

1613
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 1: wasn't going to happen, right, Like a breakup where two

1614
01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:29,519
Speaker 1: people just don't it's just not there anymore. It's very

1615
01:37:29,520 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: sad and difficult. Even for the people who want that breakup.

1616
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:37,720
Speaker 1: It still hurts, right, But when you've already said, no,

1617
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:39,760
Speaker 1: matter what, we have decided, we're going to spend the

1618
01:37:39,760 --> 01:37:45,560
Speaker 1: rest of our lives together, and then it happens, that's

1619
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,000
Speaker 1: just even more shocking and upsetting, I would think. On December,

1620
01:37:50,680 --> 01:37:54,920
Speaker 1: their divorce was final, and she wrote how scared and

1621
01:37:55,000 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 1: empty I feel. Life is an illusion. We get nothing

1622
01:37:58,160 --> 01:38:00,439
Speaker 1: that we hope to get, or if we get it,

1623
01:38:00,439 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: we never keep it. No love lasts, and that is

1624
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:07,080
Speaker 1: what we are wanting always, not only to get it,

1625
01:38:07,240 --> 01:38:10,320
Speaker 1: but to keep it. There may be a perfect time,

1626
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:15,840
Speaker 1: a perfect relation, but just as we grasped it realize it,

1627
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:21,639
Speaker 1: it begins to change. Does it always bade and change?

1628
01:38:22,200 --> 01:38:28,880
Speaker 1: I'm afraid so yes. Damn that is a heavy diary entry, right,

1629
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,960
Speaker 1: She's like, can I even is there even any person

1630
01:38:32,960 --> 01:38:34,640
Speaker 1: out there who can keep me the rest of my

1631
01:38:34,680 --> 01:38:37,600
Speaker 1: life happy? And I mean, you know, because again, the

1632
01:38:37,680 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 1: challenge with Dorothy is that she's not just looking for

1633
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 1: a very specific, unique love. She's looking for something that's

1634
01:38:45,320 --> 01:38:49,720
Speaker 1: going to exist in a world, uh that is very

1635
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,400
Speaker 1: different from the reality that they live in, from a

1636
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:56,439
Speaker 1: different societal standards. She already wants a completely different world

1637
01:38:56,640 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: to exist in, and then she wants a love that

1638
01:38:59,240 --> 01:39:02,559
Speaker 1: supports that. And I mean, finding those two things together

1639
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: must have been such a challenge. It feels like g

1640
01:39:05,680 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 1: W was the closest she ever got. But damn it,

1641
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,040
Speaker 1: if they weren't nineteen years of heart, you know, I

1642
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:13,760
Speaker 1: think that was really the biggest thing there was. It

1643
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:15,760
Speaker 1: was a timing issue. It's like, if I could find

1644
01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,760
Speaker 1: a g W my age. Uh. He's just like, yeah,

1645
01:39:19,880 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: fuck it, let's go wherever you want to go. Let's

1646
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:26,720
Speaker 1: do let's do things, let's let's let's let's do all

1647
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:31,760
Speaker 1: the adventuring that George wanted to do together as a

1648
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,679
Speaker 1: thing that we share and not a thing that we're

1649
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:38,759
Speaker 1: both doing next to each other now. Of course, after

1650
01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 1: the divorce, the papers wrote the story that George was

1651
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:46,679
Speaker 1: finally freed up to marry his true love Amelia Earhart.

1652
01:39:47,479 --> 01:39:51,599
Speaker 1: As Dorothy put it, George got his divorce in Reno today.

1653
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, it's like, oh, good for George.

1654
01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:59,799
Speaker 1: He got a divorce once again. Dorothy's left like, oh, hello,

1655
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:01,840
Speaker 1: I a fucking human being with emotions and this is

1656
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:04,519
Speaker 1: actually for me. But whatever, I don't want to be

1657
01:40:04,520 --> 01:40:09,519
Speaker 1: in the paper anyway. So she decided she had to

1658
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:14,080
Speaker 1: do something to make herself feel better. So she, uh so,

1659
01:40:14,200 --> 01:40:18,519
Speaker 1: she bought herself a nice lunch, and she took a

1660
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:22,439
Speaker 1: book to the park. She laid out a blanket and no,

1661
01:40:22,520 --> 01:40:27,400
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. She took a cruise to Panama and

1662
01:40:27,600 --> 01:40:31,880
Speaker 1: there she reunited with Frank Upton, and perhaps because of

1663
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:36,280
Speaker 1: her confusion and her loneliness, maybe because of her public image,

1664
01:40:36,680 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 1: she found herself wanting marriage, and on January twelve, less

1665
01:40:42,160 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: than a month after her divorce was finalized, on the

1666
01:40:45,880 --> 01:40:48,760
Speaker 1: star deck of the s s L Salvador at sunset,

1667
01:40:49,280 --> 01:40:52,960
Speaker 1: she and Frank were married. You can't you can't marry

1668
01:40:53,000 --> 01:41:02,919
Speaker 1: the rebound come on, Dorothy. She and Frank moved to Florida.

1669
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:07,720
Speaker 1: They bought forty acres of land. But what went completely

1670
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:11,160
Speaker 1: unknown until she gave her diaries to her granddaughter for

1671
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:16,880
Speaker 1: this book, was that Frank became violently abusive, and he

1672
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:20,479
Speaker 1: was an alcoholic. He was entirely dependent on Dorothy's money.

1673
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:25,600
Speaker 1: He beat her regularly, sometimes with a horsewhip. Later, in

1674
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:28,799
Speaker 1: her diary, wrote that her marriage to Frank was quote

1675
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:33,960
Speaker 1: the most horrible and disillusioning experience of my life. Excruciating

1676
01:41:34,040 --> 01:41:39,320
Speaker 1: pain and horror. Which says it all again. She's got

1677
01:41:39,400 --> 01:41:42,960
Speaker 1: some words, I'll say she she really puts you there.

1678
01:41:44,439 --> 01:41:47,200
Speaker 1: And of course she never reported the abuse to authorities

1679
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:53,120
Speaker 1: because the result would basically be public disgrace. Never understand

1680
01:41:53,120 --> 01:41:55,840
Speaker 1: the argument that someone's just trying to get famous by

1681
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 1: yelling about some abuse. It's not a good fame if

1682
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:00,760
Speaker 1: you get it and us or you don't get it.

1683
01:42:01,240 --> 01:42:05,200
Speaker 1: So it's a very weird thing motivation for someone to say. Anyway,

1684
01:42:05,360 --> 01:42:07,400
Speaker 1: don't come at me with your stories of people who

1685
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 1: do it, because I don't care. Um. Of course, he

1686
01:42:12,200 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 1: threatened her constantly. She suggests rape in her diary. Yeah,

1687
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:21,040
Speaker 1: she says that, like, you know, Frank came home last

1688
01:42:21,120 --> 01:42:23,240
Speaker 1: night and I had to submit to him just to

1689
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:25,400
Speaker 1: just to keep him calm or something like that. Like

1690
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:28,920
Speaker 1: it's very clear that she's like, I didn't want to

1691
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:31,160
Speaker 1: have sex with him, and I did, you know, he

1692
01:42:31,280 --> 01:42:35,080
Speaker 1: threatened to kill her and himself, very controlling tactic, and

1693
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 1: people use obviously to kill you is a horrible threat,

1694
01:42:38,080 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 1: but then a lot of people use, I'll kill myself.

1695
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 1: Her son, David, who is now six ft four hulking,

1696
01:42:45,320 --> 01:42:49,080
Speaker 1: fearless adventurer, came to visit and he saw the state

1697
01:42:49,200 --> 01:42:52,680
Speaker 1: that she was in. Right, and whether David put the

1698
01:42:52,760 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 1: fear of God and Frank is not recorded in the diaries,

1699
01:42:56,240 --> 01:43:00,280
Speaker 1: but Sally recalls Dorothy telling her that David ran Frank

1700
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:05,280
Speaker 1: out of town and so their marriage was over. In Thankfully,

1701
01:43:06,240 --> 01:43:09,240
Speaker 1: Frank don't come back. Yeah, I love David kicking down

1702
01:43:09,280 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 1: the door and being like, the hell do you do

1703
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,160
Speaker 1: to my mama? Right? I know, right, that woman took

1704
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:16,760
Speaker 1: me to the Galapacos, and I'm about to take yours

1705
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:19,559
Speaker 1: to the Galapacos. That's gonna feed you to a blue

1706
01:43:19,560 --> 01:43:26,960
Speaker 1: footed booby. So with joint custody, Dorothy and George were

1707
01:43:27,000 --> 01:43:30,439
Speaker 1: able to eventually have a stable relationship together, and she

1708
01:43:30,560 --> 01:43:33,840
Speaker 1: and Amelia became reacquainted after the birth of David's daughter,

1709
01:43:34,160 --> 01:43:37,759
Speaker 1: who would be, you know, their mutual grandchild. Also, George

1710
01:43:37,760 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 1: and Amelia did get married, and Dorothy's Florida estate became

1711
01:43:43,200 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 1: the central place for the whole extended family to meet up.

1712
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 1: So while Dorothy had hated being George's subservient wife, she

1713
01:43:51,080 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 1: was now the powerful matriarch of the entire family. But

1714
01:43:54,760 --> 01:43:59,879
Speaker 1: in nineteen thirty seven, Amelia Earhart disappeared over the Pacific

1715
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,600
Speaker 1: Ocean in an attempt to become the first female to

1716
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:06,640
Speaker 1: complete flight around the globe. She was declared dead in

1717
01:44:06,720 --> 01:44:10,760
Speaker 1: nine Of course, mysteries linger to this day. Much She's

1718
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:14,800
Speaker 1: hanging out with Elvis and Bigfoot and you know, still

1719
01:44:14,840 --> 01:44:18,639
Speaker 1: out there having a good time with the with the

1720
01:44:18,680 --> 01:44:25,120
Speaker 1: Nordic aliens world. Who knows, but in seven when she

1721
01:44:25,160 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 1: took off, this was the same year that Sally Putnam

1722
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:30,760
Speaker 1: was born. Um. Dorothy would remarry two more times in

1723
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 1: her life, once to Dawn Blanding, a poet and painter. UM.

1724
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:39,760
Speaker 1: But he kind of sucked. He didn't like anything out doorsy,

1725
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:44,479
Speaker 1: which I mean Dorothy's outdoors. So she built him a

1726
01:44:44,520 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 1: studio for you know, his paintings. But he's all but

1727
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:52,120
Speaker 1: hurt because she was, as he put in a stinging

1728
01:44:52,200 --> 01:44:55,360
Speaker 1: letter to her, Queen Dorothy, and I am nothing but

1729
01:44:55,400 --> 01:45:00,600
Speaker 1: the Queen's consort. What a little baby. Sorry I met

1730
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:02,760
Speaker 1: uh see it from his life. Um. He went on

1731
01:45:02,840 --> 01:45:06,360
Speaker 1: and on about basically feeling emasculated by her authority in

1732
01:45:06,400 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 1: the world. Right right. I mean this letter is very just.

1733
01:45:10,160 --> 01:45:11,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't like a breakup letter. It was just like,

1734
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:14,639
Speaker 1: I need to tell you how I'm feeling. And how

1735
01:45:14,680 --> 01:45:18,080
Speaker 1: I'm feeling is that your Queen, Dorothy, and I'm just

1736
01:45:18,120 --> 01:45:20,280
Speaker 1: your consort. And I used to be a king. I've

1737
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,479
Speaker 1: been I've been king done in the past, you know. Um,

1738
01:45:23,520 --> 01:45:26,080
Speaker 1: And I'm trying really hard to be your consort and

1739
01:45:26,120 --> 01:45:28,799
Speaker 1: it's just tough because you know, you're you're such a strong, powerful,

1740
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,040
Speaker 1: independent woman, and it doesn't make me feel very good.

1741
01:45:32,200 --> 01:45:36,760
Speaker 1: So and instead of Dorothy realizing that that meant this

1742
01:45:36,800 --> 01:45:40,400
Speaker 1: ain't the man for me, she was real Dorothy about it,

1743
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:45,200
Speaker 1: and she wrote back and assumed responsibility for his feelings. Dorothy,

1744
01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 1: she would do that. I know if she was alive today,

1745
01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 1: she wouldn't have done that. Ship, but she was alive then,

1746
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:55,639
Speaker 1: so she did. Yeah. Um So anyway, they didn't last,

1747
01:45:55,760 --> 01:45:58,479
Speaker 1: even though she she tried to absorb all that she

1748
01:45:58,880 --> 01:46:02,840
Speaker 1: was never gonna work. Yeah, thankfully good. But finally she

1749
01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:07,360
Speaker 1: was pretty content when she married Lou Palmer in ninety seven,

1750
01:46:07,400 --> 01:46:10,240
Speaker 1: when she was fifty nine. He was the manager of

1751
01:46:10,280 --> 01:46:14,639
Speaker 1: this orange grove she purchased in Florida, and she wrote,

1752
01:46:14,920 --> 01:46:17,599
Speaker 1: I should have married a farmer, lived on a big branch,

1753
01:46:17,640 --> 01:46:20,479
Speaker 1: and had six children. How different it all might be.

1754
01:46:20,760 --> 01:46:24,560
Speaker 1: This wedding seemed to really be the one. She and Lou,

1755
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:29,080
Speaker 1: they really bonded, and he really was everything that she wanted.

1756
01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: She finally felt like she found, you know, her her

1757
01:46:33,160 --> 01:46:43,000
Speaker 1: life partner. That's me. Yeh. Tragically though, oh man say that, sorry,

1758
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 1: I have to say tragically. They were married for about

1759
01:46:46,320 --> 01:46:50,479
Speaker 1: four years. But in November of nineteen fifty one, Lou

1760
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:54,360
Speaker 1: had a fatal heart attack me and yeah, Dorothy found

1761
01:46:54,439 --> 01:46:58,439
Speaker 1: him when she came home and she was, I mean,

1762
01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:01,840
Speaker 1: I need to tell you. She was devasted, that sad.

1763
01:47:03,640 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 1: She didn't marry again after that, and she grew older.

1764
01:47:08,160 --> 01:47:11,759
Speaker 1: She did kind of become ill. She suffered chronic pain,

1765
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:15,080
Speaker 1: but she never lost her wonder for the natural world.

1766
01:47:15,760 --> 01:47:18,640
Speaker 1: She would write letters to her children about songbirds and

1767
01:47:18,640 --> 01:47:21,479
Speaker 1: hedgehogs that she watched at this cabin that she and

1768
01:47:21,560 --> 01:47:23,800
Speaker 1: Lou had built in this in the Smoky Mountains while

1769
01:47:23,840 --> 01:47:26,679
Speaker 1: they were married. And she didn't lose her feisty spirit either.

1770
01:47:27,560 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: By the eighties nineteen eighties, she had a twenty four

1771
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:35,240
Speaker 1: hour nurse and she was complaining all the time about

1772
01:47:35,280 --> 01:47:38,160
Speaker 1: too many caretakers in her diary, like this person is

1773
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:41,440
Speaker 1: showing up. And she would gossip about her various caretakers.

1774
01:47:41,880 --> 01:47:45,000
Speaker 1: And then they offered her surgery. They said this will

1775
01:47:45,240 --> 01:47:47,600
Speaker 1: this will be good for you, and she wrote surgery

1776
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 1: at ninety three with three question marks no definitely, no period.

1777
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:57,519
Speaker 1: That was the That was the diary entry. Man, I

1778
01:47:57,560 --> 01:48:00,439
Speaker 1: love Dorothy right, which I don't, I mean makes sense

1779
01:48:01,000 --> 01:48:04,880
Speaker 1: years old. Surgery is very tough to under any age.

1780
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:07,799
Speaker 1: I mean, this woman, and this is a woman who

1781
01:48:07,840 --> 01:48:11,680
Speaker 1: I think, look at all her adventuring, look at all

1782
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:14,559
Speaker 1: she'd been through. She was never one to shy away

1783
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:18,759
Speaker 1: from death, right, But she's near the end of her life.

1784
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:22,280
Speaker 1: And she remembered g W and the time that he

1785
01:48:22,360 --> 01:48:24,280
Speaker 1: lay with her in the garden and sang the song

1786
01:48:24,360 --> 01:48:28,320
Speaker 1: Blue Skies. Lou was the partner she always needed, but

1787
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:30,559
Speaker 1: g W knew her in a way that no one

1788
01:48:30,600 --> 01:48:33,600
Speaker 1: else did. She wrote on a scrap of paper a

1789
01:48:33,680 --> 01:48:37,280
Speaker 1: quote from William Wordsworth, probably the best portion of a

1790
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:42,400
Speaker 1: good man's life. His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness

1791
01:48:42,600 --> 01:48:46,280
Speaker 1: and love makes me the other flowers, he said for

1792
01:48:46,320 --> 01:48:48,840
Speaker 1: the train. And you think that was it? Right, These

1793
01:48:48,840 --> 01:48:52,439
Speaker 1: little moments with g W. We're so much more important

1794
01:48:52,479 --> 01:48:56,000
Speaker 1: to her than these you know, the house, you know

1795
01:48:56,120 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 1: Rocknell and the honeymoon to Panama. You know, she's I

1796
01:49:01,120 --> 01:49:03,720
Speaker 1: could take a trip any fucking time I want. When

1797
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:06,320
Speaker 1: are you going to hold my hand? Yeah? Right? When

1798
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,000
Speaker 1: are you going to hold my hand in a meadow

1799
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:10,719
Speaker 1: and sing me a song while we watched the birds?

1800
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 1: You know? Well? Then, yeah, it makes perfect sense that

1801
01:49:15,240 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 1: she's like a farmer and sure, yeah, big big ranch,

1802
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:21,840
Speaker 1: and yeah, maybe that's something she was always looking for,

1803
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:27,519
Speaker 1: maybe speculation station. Maybe because she had such extravagance, she

1804
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I've got everything I could ever want

1805
01:49:30,320 --> 01:49:32,759
Speaker 1: in terms of what I can buy. There's something else

1806
01:49:32,880 --> 01:49:36,040
Speaker 1: that I need and maybe she just needed to find

1807
01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 1: that from from someone and George wasn't the guy for that.

1808
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:42,519
Speaker 1: So it was when she settled down with the orange

1809
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:46,479
Speaker 1: grove farmer that she's like, oh, damn, this is this

1810
01:49:46,520 --> 01:49:49,200
Speaker 1: is what I was looking for. Maybe that was the problem,

1811
01:49:49,280 --> 01:49:51,680
Speaker 1: was that they were both kind of too similar in

1812
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 1: a way, like they both her and I mean her

1813
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:57,920
Speaker 1: and George Putnam. Yeah there when they had a problem,

1814
01:49:57,960 --> 01:50:01,240
Speaker 1: their solution was a kind of an ext stravagant solution,

1815
01:50:01,520 --> 01:50:03,760
Speaker 1: like she's like, I'll go on a trip. He's like,

1816
01:50:03,840 --> 01:50:05,960
Speaker 1: I'll go on a trip, or I'll try to perfectly

1817
01:50:06,040 --> 01:50:09,559
Speaker 1: arrange everyone's lives so it all works perfectly, And like

1818
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:13,479
Speaker 1: g W and probably Lou, we're more like, well, hey,

1819
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:17,679
Speaker 1: we we quarreled this morning, and here's a little token

1820
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:20,040
Speaker 1: that I'm sad. I'm sorry. I brought you an orange

1821
01:50:20,160 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 1: from the grove where I brought you some flowers, or

1822
01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:24,360
Speaker 1: I just came up to you. I just sat next

1823
01:50:24,400 --> 01:50:26,640
Speaker 1: to you and put my hand in your arm and

1824
01:50:26,680 --> 01:50:28,840
Speaker 1: asked you how you were doing, and we talked about nothing.

1825
01:50:30,000 --> 01:50:31,599
Speaker 1: She's like, that's better than the orange because I got

1826
01:50:31,600 --> 01:50:33,599
Speaker 1: a lot of oranges, because I own a big orange grove.

1827
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,840
Speaker 1: It's forty acres. So he's like, yeah, I know. It's

1828
01:50:36,880 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 1: a fucking dresser. A nice gesture of you bring me

1829
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,320
Speaker 1: a banana. You know, I knew you had to go

1830
01:50:43,439 --> 01:50:46,800
Speaker 1: somewhere to get it. And he'd be like, orange is glad?

1831
01:50:46,840 --> 01:50:51,960
Speaker 1: I didn't say banana? Oh God. She's like, okay, we're

1832
01:50:51,960 --> 01:50:54,040
Speaker 1: getting a divorce. I know. Let me look up a

1833
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 1: ticket to Rena really fast. Well, let's wrap it up.

1834
01:51:00,120 --> 01:51:05,599
Speaker 1: While on Mother's Day, May nine, Dorothy passed away at

1835
01:51:05,680 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 1: ninety three years old. Susan's father, Dorothy's son David, told

1836
01:51:11,200 --> 01:51:15,000
Speaker 1: her leaving them on Mother's Day was just like mother.

1837
01:51:16,080 --> 01:51:17,960
Speaker 1: I guess she was just cool like that. You know,

1838
01:51:18,479 --> 01:51:22,040
Speaker 1: obviously give you some significance to remember me by. He's like,

1839
01:51:22,040 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 1: it would it's either that or Christmas. Yeah, she was

1840
01:51:26,439 --> 01:51:28,679
Speaker 1: not going to go out on on your average day.

1841
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:30,960
Speaker 1: She was not an average woman. If you get to

1842
01:51:31,000 --> 01:51:33,760
Speaker 1: pick the day you die, I think if anybody could,

1843
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:36,800
Speaker 1: it's Dorothy. But yes, so I believe you. This girl.

1844
01:51:37,720 --> 01:51:42,680
Speaker 1: She was stellar. Yeah, she's a really interesting person. Yeah,

1845
01:51:42,840 --> 01:51:45,400
Speaker 1: like we said at the beginning, everybody always thought, oh,

1846
01:51:45,439 --> 01:51:49,320
Speaker 1: Amelia Earhart comes in and steals away this man from

1847
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:52,320
Speaker 1: this sad wife who gets left in the dust, and

1848
01:51:52,360 --> 01:51:55,160
Speaker 1: we never heard from her again. And she busts out

1849
01:51:55,160 --> 01:51:58,280
Speaker 1: these diaries and she's like, no, if anything, she kind

1850
01:51:58,280 --> 01:52:03,320
Speaker 1: of compares, She kind to suggests that Dorothy. When Amelia

1851
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,640
Speaker 1: came along, Dorothy sort of saw it as an opportunity.

1852
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:09,960
Speaker 1: You know. It certainly wasn't like, oh great, yes, take

1853
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:13,040
Speaker 1: my husband please, but there was an element of like,

1854
01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 1: you know what, maybe maybe this is a good reason

1855
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:20,160
Speaker 1: to get out. Maybe this is my chance you to

1856
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:22,679
Speaker 1: go be happy together. I'm going to go be happy,

1857
01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:26,439
Speaker 1: just not with you, and uh and find something else.

1858
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:29,679
Speaker 1: So it just was so different than what the stories

1859
01:52:29,760 --> 01:52:34,320
Speaker 1: were for so long. And Sally Putnam Chapman, who wrote

1860
01:52:34,320 --> 01:52:36,639
Speaker 1: this book is still alive from what I can tell.

1861
01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:40,519
Speaker 1: She's eighty three years old. And uh, and this book

1862
01:52:40,640 --> 01:52:44,280
Speaker 1: came out in and I'm just so glad that she

1863
01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:48,599
Speaker 1: did this. Because we would otherwise have no idea. It's

1864
01:52:48,720 --> 01:52:52,479
Speaker 1: kind of like Winston and Clementine, where it was like

1865
01:52:52,600 --> 01:52:57,479
Speaker 1: finally someone told Clementine's story and it's really interesting, and like, wow,

1866
01:52:57,600 --> 01:53:01,240
Speaker 1: we just completely ignored this whole person who was doing

1867
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:05,640
Speaker 1: ship living life in the background. Yeah, so yeah, I

1868
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 1: know it's a big one, but I hope you all

1869
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:09,760
Speaker 1: enjoyed this story. Yeah. I thought it was so cool

1870
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:13,960
Speaker 1: to research. She's so cool, She's so cool. Dorothy would

1871
01:53:14,160 --> 01:53:16,080
Speaker 1: totally want to be her friends. Oh my god, if

1872
01:53:16,080 --> 01:53:19,120
Speaker 1: I was hanging out with Dorothy and Amelia, I did

1873
01:53:19,160 --> 01:53:24,200
Speaker 1: something right. Oh my god, dopest speaking of time travel destinations,

1874
01:53:24,240 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 1: that would be a really cool one. With a little

1875
01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:30,720
Speaker 1: money and the right clothes, you could go to some

1876
01:53:30,800 --> 01:53:36,680
Speaker 1: cool spots. Man would have been awesome. Well, thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for listening as always, and y'all know, reach out,

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Speaker 1: tell us what you thought, share your divorce stories, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, share your stories about flying across the Pacific,

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Speaker 1: share any story you want. Tell us your ridiculous romance

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Speaker 1: already let's hear it. And um you can reach us

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Speaker 1: and I'm at Oh great, it's Eli and the show

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Speaker 1: is at ridic Romance and yeah, please just tell your

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Speaker 1: friends to listen, uh, and we cannot wait to catch

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Speaker 1: you at the next episode. Have a lovely, lovely, lovely

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Speaker 1: lovely day. So long friends, it's time to go. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so listening to our show. Tell your friends name's uncle

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Speaker 1: Sandez to listen to our show. Ridiculous. Well Nance