1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,280 Speaker 1: Live from our nation's came this budget thing is going 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,760 Speaker 1: to do nothing Space Force. I still think it's interesting 3 00:00:05,800 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: President Trump not playing his cards yet. Headlines Policy and 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Politics colliding Floomberg Sound On, the Insiders, the Influencers. I 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: would rather see a congressional solution. It's part of my DNA. 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:20,959 Speaker 1: The Senate map in looks a lot different than it 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: looked in. You really have a divide within Team Trump. 8 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: The president has to do exactly what people sent him 9 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: here to do, which is to get it done. This 10 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Shirley Live from the 11 00:00:32,840 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: Democratic presidential debate in Westerville, Ohio, on Bloomberg Radio. On 12 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: Kevin Severi, Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg Television of Bloomberg Radio. 13 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm still here in Westerville, Ohio, where we are picking 14 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:49,279 Speaker 1: up the pieces from the fourth Democratic presidential debate. Meanwhile, 15 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: President Trump continued to be under fire, not over the impeachment, 16 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: but over Syria. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi says 17 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: that Democrats left the Syria meeting after presid in a 18 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: Trump quote meltdown. We've got to all stars to help 19 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: us navigate through. Max Burns Democratic strategist, senior contributor at 20 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: Millennial Politics. And Julie Raginski, she's Democratic strategist as well. 21 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,839 Speaker 1: They're in New York City. We're gonna get to the debate. 22 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: But the big story tonight is Speaker of the House 23 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: and other Democrats Nancy Pelosi meeting with President Trump with 24 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: regards to Syria earlier today at the White House. House 25 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: Speaker Nancy Pelosi saying this afternoon that President Trump uh 26 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: saying that President Trump appeared to be quote unquote shaken 27 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: by the fact that a hundred and twenty nine Republican 28 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: lawmakers voted earlier today for a resolution rebuking the President 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: for withdrawing US forces from Syria and that he had 30 00:01:49,160 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: a quote unquote meltdown, and Pelosi, Schumer, Toyer. They walked out. 31 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: They walked out of the meeting President Trump for his 32 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: hard defending his decision to abruptly pull forces US forces 33 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: from Syria and rejecting criticism from key Republican supporters in 34 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: Congress that he abandoned Kurtish allies and allowed Russia to 35 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: fill the void. Our team in Washington, d C. Justin 36 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: seeing Jennifer de Louis as well as Joe Sabcheck holding 37 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: down the fort, covering this story from every angle. I'm 38 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 1: joined by two prominent Democratic strategists to help us sort 39 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: through what Democrats are saying tonight with regards to this 40 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: meeting gone awry at the White House with Pelosi, Trump, 41 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: and Schumer Julie Roginsky as well as Max Rose. Julie, 42 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: I'll start with you, Speaker Pelosi walking out of the 43 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: meeting earlier today with President Trump on foreign policy? What 44 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: do you say to folks who say, you know what, 45 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,960 Speaker 1: Get them all in a room and figure this out well. 46 00:02:52,000 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: First and foremost, the President decided to insult Nancy Pelosi 47 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: apparently started calling her third read politician. That's not how 48 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 1: you get anything done. I mean, if I decided to 49 00:03:00,720 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: get get into a negotiation with you, or I decided 50 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 1: to have a conversation with you, I don't resort to 51 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: name calling and taunting, because once you start with that, 52 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: you realize that you're not really an honest broker and 53 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:13,720 Speaker 1: trying to get anything done. What you're trying to do 54 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,519 Speaker 1: is engage in some sort of prepubescent back and forth 55 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: that my second grader would be in trouble if he 56 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: ever tried to engage in. So when you're looking at 57 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: it from that perspective, you're not dealing with a well man. 58 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,079 Speaker 1: I mean, I hate to say this, and I don't 59 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 1: say this lightly, but it has become more and more 60 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:34,119 Speaker 1: apparent that the president is flailing. He doesn't have a strategy. Uh, 61 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 1: he doesn't really have anybody that he's listening to, whether 62 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: it's his military um advisors or his supporters in the 63 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: Senate like Lindsay Graham for example, or Romney or name it. 64 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: I mean most Republicans in the Senate who haven't totally 65 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: caved on this issue. It's it's very hard to have 66 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:52,800 Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody like that, and I think it 67 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: would be better time would be better spent for the 68 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Republicans and maybe not Chuck Schumer Nancy Pelosi, who whom 69 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: the president politicis as is all the time to to 70 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: really sit with the President, explain to him the ramifications 71 00:04:04,000 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: of this, and hopefully get him to a point where 72 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: he can have an adult, earnest discussion with with either 73 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: side of the aisle about this. All right, So, so 74 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: let's first hear from Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, who 75 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 1: spoke after this meeting with President Trump when they were 76 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,240 Speaker 1: at the White House along with other House Democrats, including 77 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, about the issue of 78 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: the President's decision to withdraw troops from the Northern Syria 79 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,919 Speaker 1: last week. Take a listen to Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer. 80 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: It was insulting, particularly to the Speaker. She kept her 81 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: cool completely, but he called her a third rate politician. 82 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: So you have now, uh, the details trickling out with 83 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:53,559 Speaker 1: regards to how the President conducting himself during this meeting. Uh. 84 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: And you know, meanwhile, you've got the President not just 85 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 1: at odds with with Democrats, but also with Republicans. And 86 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: he was asked about this at a press conference at 87 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: the White House earlier today, most notably with regards to 88 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: Senator Lindsey Graham, a Republican from South Carolina, who was 89 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: called President Trump's decision quote an utter national security disaster 90 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 1: in the making. I mean, they're not missing words, folks. 91 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,360 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what President Trump said at the 92 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: White House earlier today. He criticized Senator Lindsey Graham and 93 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: saying that the people of South Carolina want to see 94 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,600 Speaker 1: those troops come home. And I wanted election based on 95 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: that end quote. Coming up, we're gonna have more Max. 96 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: Why do you make of this divide between President Trump 97 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: and the Democrats. Max, Oh, I'm as shocked, I think 98 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: as the President was to have Republicans actually standing up 99 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: to him. That's not something we're used to seeing. The 100 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: problem is, of course, the President makes a big play 101 00:05:47,640 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: out of wanting the troops to come home, and it's 102 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: something I think Americans support, but they're not coming home. 103 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: They're being rerouted to Iraq, they're being rerouted into Kuwait. Uh. 104 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 1: They're just being moved out of the way of Rituan 105 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: and Turkey. Which is this problem that I don't think 106 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: the President fully understands, because his policies are essentially valueless. 107 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 1: When you care about human rights or democracy promotion, you 108 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:16,039 Speaker 1: don't do these things. When you're just trying to make 109 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:20,160 Speaker 1: deals to get information to increase your personal edge. You'll 110 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: cut a deal with anyone who's offering. And the confusion 111 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: here is that Trump genuinely doesn't seem to realize that 112 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: he's done something morally abhorrent. All right, coming up, we're 113 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: gonna talk much more policy and politics with Max Burns 114 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 1: as well as Julie Raginski. Download the Bloomberg Sound On 115 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, or by 116 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also find us 117 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: on Radio dot Com, I Heart Radio, and Spotify. I'm 118 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: Kevin Serelli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television of Bloomberg Radio. 119 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 1: I'm still in Ohio, folks. I'm coming back to Washington, 120 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 1: d C. Tonight. Congrats to the nationals. The World series bound. 121 00:06:55,200 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg. This is Sound On with Kevin Sireli, 122 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: live from the Democratic presidential debate in Westerville, Ohio, on 123 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. I'm Kevin Cereli, Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg 124 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: Television and Bloomberg Radio. So much to get through, so 125 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: much to get through. We're gonna talk about the debate 126 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: coming up with Julia Vicinski as well as Max Burns. 127 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: They're too Democratic strategists there at our New York World 128 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: Bloomberg headquarters. I'm still in Ohio. I come back to Washington, 129 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: d C later this evening. But the big story tonight, folks, 130 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: that Speaker Pelosi, Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer storming out 131 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 1: of the White House after well a terrible meeting with 132 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: President Trump. They were talking about Syria. Take a listen 133 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: to what Speaker Nancy Pelosi said after this meeting with 134 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: President Trump. We witnessed on the part the President was 135 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: a meltdown, sad to say, a meltdown. Max. So, so, 136 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not really sure where Democrats and Republicans 137 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 1: and the President go from here on foreign policy. Well, 138 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: there's just been a total shutdown of of any kind 139 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: of functional governance. The White House is not going to 140 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 1: participate in any aspect of the impeachment. They're going to 141 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: resist subpoenas until someone does something to compel them to 142 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: turn over documents. What was so interesting in this meeting 143 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: with Trump and Pelosi and Schumer is how many people 144 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 1: he blamed for the situation at hand. He called General 145 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: Madison idiot. He blamed the Turks, he blamed the Kurds, 146 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 1: he blamed the Syrians, blamed Barack Obama, pretty much anyone 147 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 1: except himself, which is where we all know this decision originated, 148 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 1: because he made very clear when he thought that this 149 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: decision was genius, that he should get all the credit 150 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: for its success. So the credit has now come to 151 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: his door. It just doesn't seem to be something he 152 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 1: wants to accept right now. You know, it really is fascinating, Julie, 153 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: because Speaker Pelosi now having to meet with President Trump 154 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: in the middle, as in the middle of an impeachment inquiry. Yesterday, 155 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: she says in Washington, D C. That she didn't have 156 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: enough as of now, not enough investigations to be complete 157 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: for her to move forward with formal articles of impeachment. 158 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: But by all indication that's that's the direction she's heading in. 159 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,199 Speaker 1: And now she has this fiery, putting it mildly fiery 160 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: meeting with President Trump. But but you know, what do 161 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: you say again to folks who are looking at this 162 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 1: and saying that they need to get along, uh, for 163 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 1: for the good of a foreign policy? Julie, Well, I 164 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: look at the Clinton impeachment. I'm old enough to remember 165 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: when that happened, sadly, and I remember that the day 166 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 1: after the articles of impeachment were introduced against Bill Clinton, 167 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 1: he went and met with the Senate majority leader and 168 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: the House a Speaker New Gingrich and proceeded to business 169 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: as usual when it came to policy. Right, The problem 170 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: is you don't have a serious player as one of 171 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: the top two pillars of government. You have a serious 172 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 1: legislative branch. And I suspect I would say this about 173 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell. He's a serious man. I may not agree 174 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: with him, but he's not a joke. You certainly have 175 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: a serious speaker. And then you have the President United 176 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: States who literally has milltowns like a child and can't function. 177 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: And so when you get to that level of vitriol, 178 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:23,719 Speaker 1: how do you deal with somebody like this? How do 179 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: you get along with somebody like this? There's no point 180 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:28,040 Speaker 1: in getting along with somebody who says he wants to 181 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: stop endless wars. And then lo and behold, we have 182 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: fourteen thousand more troops in the region in the Middle 183 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: East since May that we had before. Here's some here's 184 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: some more from finish thought. No, my my only, my 185 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: only contention of here is that you can't have a 186 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: discussion with somebody who can't fundamentally have an intellectual policy 187 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:49,720 Speaker 1: discussion because he's not interested in one, and that that 188 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: becomes problematic. I don't care which party you belong to. 189 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:56,319 Speaker 1: Let's hear from more of and and and Leader Schumer. 190 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: Here here they are. He said, the communists are taking 191 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: some of isis were communists, and you would be happy. 192 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: That might make you happy. That might make you happy. 193 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: And said back at that point when he started calling Span, 194 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: I said, I wish you were a politician, Mr. President, 195 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: then you would know the art of the possible. Wow. Wow, Max. 196 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: I just can't imagine voters sitting at home in Iowa 197 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: and New Hampshire our Io where I am. Don't forget 198 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: Ohio or Ohio. We can't forget Ohio, are even paying 199 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 1: attention to this at this level. This is the consummate 200 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: sort of insider turf war. I think, what a fascinating 201 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: you saying go ahead, keep going. I think what gets 202 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: more attention here is uh this letter that Trump sent 203 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: to President Rituan in Turkey that reads like a fifth 204 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: grader wrote it. Says, calls him the devil, says don't 205 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: be an idiot, make a good deal. You want people 206 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: to like you. Uh. It's this sort of need to 207 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 1: to control the narrative and the idea that everyone is 208 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,959 Speaker 1: playing on that same cynical level as Donald Trump that's 209 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: ultimately going to hurt him with voters and the The 210 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 1: struggle here is how do Democrats boil this sort of 211 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: complex foreign policy issue down into talking points that voters 212 00:12:22,000 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: can inherently understand. President Trump's decision making is weakening the 213 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 1: United States. You mentioned this letter, this letter which President 214 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: Trump sent to President Ruan on October nine, and which 215 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: he writes in this letter quote history will look upon 216 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: you forever as the devil if good things don't happen, 217 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: don't be a tough guy. Don't be a fool. I 218 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: will call you later. That's his letter to the President Arwan, 219 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 1: the President of Turkey. And then well, the developments of 220 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: the past week and a half are on record. The 221 00:13:00,320 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: President decides to withdraw troops from northern Syria, much did 222 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: the dismay of Kurdish Allies, much to the pushback from 223 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: Democrats as well as from Republicans because the president or 224 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,439 Speaker 1: these folks rather excuse me, these folks, rather, we're concerned 225 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: that President air Duan of Turkey would move in in 226 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: northern Syria, move in on the Kurdish allies speak. Senator 227 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: Lindsay Graham, Republican from South Carolina, really has emerged as 228 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: one of the top Republicans pushing back against this White House. 229 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:36,320 Speaker 1: And now we I'm told by Ko that we do 230 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 1: have that sought, that sound bite sought of the President 231 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: responding today to a reporter's question from reporters at the 232 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 1: White House to respond to what Senator Graham has attacked 233 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: him for. Take a listen to President Trump's response two 234 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: Republicans Lindsay Graham would like to stay in the Middle 235 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: East for the next thousand years with thousands of soldiers 236 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: and fighting other people's wars. I want to get out 237 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,200 Speaker 1: of the Middle East. I think Lindsay should focus right 238 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 1: now on judiciary. Wow. So this is a president today 239 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: who has gone to political battle with Senator Lindsey Graham, 240 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 1: gone to political battle with the House Speaker Nancy Pelosi 241 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: and Sentimentary Leader Chuck Schumer. And we get word of 242 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: this letter that he had sent to UH to UH 243 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: President Air Dwan of Turkey. It is absolutely fascinating, folks, 244 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: just to see this. Hargar Shamali is going to be 245 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: joining us later on to give her insight. She, of course, 246 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: is one of our foreign policy experts on Bloomberg Sound On. 247 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 1: She has served in both Republican and Democratic administrators administrations, 248 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: so it'll be great to get her take. Coming up, 249 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: we talked politics, We talked the state of the race. 250 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 1: Max Burns is stays, as does Julie Raginsky. 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I've been in Ohio for the past couple 261 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 1: of days covering the fourth Democratic presidential debate, and I'm 262 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: so excited and grateful to have Max Burns Democratic strategists, 263 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: as well as Julie Roginski another Democratic strategists to help 264 00:15:46,520 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 1: us sort through the noise, sort through all of the 265 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: noise and the chatter of last night's debate. All right, 266 00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 1: let's start with Hunter Biden. Max I want to play 267 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: for you. What what what former Vice President Joe Biden 268 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: had to say about his son during last night's debate. 269 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: Take a listen. I did my job. I never discussed 270 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,440 Speaker 1: a single thing with my son about anything having to 271 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: do with Ukrane. No one is indicated I have. We've 272 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: always kept everything separate. Even when my son was the 273 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: attorney general of the state of Delaware, we never discussed 274 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: any so there'd be no potential conflict. Why so he 275 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 1: says he's not going to allow, if he's president of 276 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: the United States, for his son, Hunter Biden, to serve 277 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: on any international boards. Hunter Biden came out and said 278 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: that in that interview that aired on ABC earlier this week. 279 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: But why was it allowed? This is what I don't understand. 280 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: X Why was it allowed when he was vice president? Well, 281 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: that's the thing, isn't it. The real answer to this 282 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: is to actually propose an ethics law similar to how 283 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: we treat lobbyists that prevent them from going directly into 284 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: lobbying or lobbyists directly into consulting with the government. UH, 285 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: to actually prevent this kind of thing, because we've seen it, 286 00:16:53,560 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: not just with Hunter Biden, we've seen it with the 287 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: Trumps on a grand scale mixing business and politics. We've 288 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: seen it going back through the Bush family. We've seen 289 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: it all the way through the Kennedys. Uh, this is 290 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: something that that needs to be addressed through an actor. 291 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: Why didn't he? But so? But but how does Joe Biden, 292 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:15,880 Speaker 1: who now, yes he's still a front runner, but there's 293 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: other front runners. How did How does he respond to 294 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: the question, Okay, you're saying you're not going to do 295 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: it as president, but why did you do it as 296 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,120 Speaker 1: vice president? He was asked point blank this last night 297 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: by Anderson Cooper and Dodge the question, I mean, does 298 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 1: he have to give an answer on this precisely for 299 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: why it was allowed when he was vice president. I'm 300 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: not sure he has a good answer. I think it 301 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: was it was maybe that's the truth. If you don't 302 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: have an answer, you can't answer it. Go ahead. And 303 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: it's admirable I think of Democrats to stand up together 304 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: like this and say, you know, we're not going to 305 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: lean into this bogus story. Uh. And and Anderson Cooper 306 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:52,560 Speaker 1: was very clear that this was a story that was 307 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: fabricated by the president, that they're chasing conspiracy theories But 308 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 1: unlike with with Hillary Clinton and the email server and 309 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 1: how everybody got worked up about that, I think Democrats 310 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: have gotten smarter and we're not going to be the 311 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: public relations amplifier for these right wing conspiracy but but 312 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: but but look, no one is alleging that there was 313 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: an illegality done. But Julie Chitski, is it not a 314 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,360 Speaker 1: fair question for when you ask one of the front 315 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: runners of the race, you say you're not going to 316 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:26,440 Speaker 1: do something as president, that your son is not going 317 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:30,159 Speaker 1: to be on boards, not on international boards. But you 318 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: did it when when when you were vice president? That 319 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: to me feels like a totally fair question. And we're 320 00:18:36,520 --> 00:18:38,719 Speaker 1: going to talk about Warren and taxes in just a second. 321 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: But on Joe Biden in particular, I'm pretty stunned at 322 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: that debate last night that he didn't have an answer 323 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: for that. I think Max is right, there really is 324 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: no good answer. I mean, bottom line is he shouldn't 325 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: have done it. And uh, no more than Ivanka Trump 326 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:55,159 Speaker 1: and Jerry Kushner should be making tens of millions of 327 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,919 Speaker 1: dollars while they're working in the White House. No more 328 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,360 Speaker 1: than Ivanka Trump's business should have gotten pat and after 329 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: pattent from China after she and the President dined with 330 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: the Chinese premier. No more than the Trump boys are 331 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: making tons of money for the Trump Organization from foreign governments, 332 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 1: and taxpayers are paying for their trips all over the 333 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 1: world in defense in support of the Trump organization business model. So, uh, 334 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, Max is absolutely right. We need to have 335 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: an ethical structure where families no longer can afford to 336 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: profit in one way, shape, any way, shape or form 337 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: off of other family members who are in government. And 338 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 1: if you don't want to have your hands tied by 339 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,639 Speaker 1: the fact that your father is the president or the 340 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: white vice president, you have one of two choices. Either 341 00:19:36,760 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: your father or mother doesn't run for office and you 342 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: can go ahead and make money, or you have to 343 00:19:41,840 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: buy by these rules. It's as simple as that. We're 344 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,880 Speaker 1: talking with Julie Rachinsky and we're talking with Max Burns 345 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,719 Speaker 1: to Democratic strategists trying to sort through the fourth Democratic 346 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 1: presidential debate. You know, I don't think this is this 347 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: is the end of the road for for this story. 348 00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 1: I was in the spin room last night. The Biden 349 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: campaign put out Simone Sanders, put out Kate Beddingfield. One 350 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,720 Speaker 1: of the spokesperson for the campaign and Senator Chris Coons, 351 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 1: a Democrat from Massachusetts, said, and they were out in 352 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,919 Speaker 1: full force in that spin room. I believe it was 353 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: one of the first times that they've put out such 354 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: prominent UH campaign staffers in the spin room of their debate. 355 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: They've had surrogates before, but no one at the senior level. 356 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: I was struck by that. I was struck by the 357 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: New York Times story that came out with regards to 358 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: how little really cash on hand. They have nine million, 359 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 1: nine million dollars little, imagine, folks. But I don't know. 360 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it feels max as if he might not 361 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: be going down in the polls, but other people are surging. Yeah, 362 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: And Elizabeth Warren has really made the case over the 363 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: last few months that she's one of the few consistently 364 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: growing not just in national polls, but if you look 365 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 1: at South Carolina, for example, she's almost doubled her proportion 366 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: of African American voters, which is really what Joe Biden's 367 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: considered his firewall. And it's reached the point now where UH, 368 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: this Biden campaign is corroding away at such speed that 369 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: they're publicly saying they may not contest Iowa, New Hampshire 370 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,240 Speaker 1: or Nevada and put all of their eggs into South Carolina. 371 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: The challenges, you know, Uh, Jeff Bush, Hillary Clinton have 372 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: all tried that strategy as well. The last one I 373 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: think that tried to do it in a primary was 374 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: Rudy Giuliani, and that didn't end so favorably for him. 375 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:33,880 Speaker 1: So the challenges how do you convince uh, the voters 376 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: that you are a viable candidate when you're in inevitability? 377 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: Argument has cracked right down the middle. You know, it 378 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: is very interesting just to see how quickly Senator Warren 379 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: has risen uh and really now merged as a front Julie. 380 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: I mean she was taking it from all sides last night. 381 00:21:52,480 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: I mean, truthfully, everybody going after her. But she also 382 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,160 Speaker 1: dodged the question, and she's dodged this question several times, 383 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: which is will you raise taxes on middle class Americans 384 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,919 Speaker 1: with Medicare for All? Take a listen to how she 385 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: responded to this when asked if taxes are going to 386 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: go up for the middle class if her Medicare for 387 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: All becomes law. Here she is, let me be clear 388 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: on this, Costs will go up for the wealthy, they 389 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 1: will go up for big corporations, and for middle class 390 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: families they will go down. I will not sign a 391 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: bill into law that does not lower costs for middle 392 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: class families. So she she says, let me be clear 393 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 1: on this cost will go up for for for the wealthy. 394 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:39,720 Speaker 1: But I mean she didn't answer Julie the exchange or 395 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: the question, which is will taxes go up? And I mean, 396 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: maybe it doesn't matter as much in a Democratic primary, 397 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: though I still think it could matter when you talk 398 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,160 Speaker 1: to voters. It definitely matters in a general election. Noo, Well, 399 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: it's a masterful answer, because she's I'll tell you, well, 400 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,240 Speaker 1: you know, the masterful part of this is that people 401 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: look at their costs quote unquote and the aggregate, and 402 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: if you're paying more in taxes but less on overall costs, 403 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: which is what she's arguing, then I guess you have 404 00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:12,959 Speaker 1: more money left over for other priorities other than healthcare. 405 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,919 Speaker 1: And that's her contention, and she's going to have to 406 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: be much clearer about that um and she will be, 407 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure when she's pressed on it. But look, Elizabeth 408 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: Warren had it, as you said, in coming from all 409 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: sides and she was able to parry it in a 410 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 1: very very good way. I mean, her numbers I don't 411 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 1: think will take a dent after that debate performance. In fact, 412 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 1: she probably grew part of her share. I suspected Bernie 413 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 1: Sanders expense after that performance. Um. But to the point 414 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,399 Speaker 1: of Joe Biden, I think there's an opportunity for people 415 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: like Pepa, Jedge, Corey Booker, Kamala Harris. They're running out 416 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 1: of time to some extent, but to take that quote 417 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 1: unquote moderate wing of the party that is somewhat concerned 418 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: about a Biden or excuse me about a war in 419 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 1: candidacy or or Sanders candidacy, they have an opportunity to 420 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: now take part of that Biden support for themselves. Elves. 421 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: Because of Joe Biden's performance yesterday, I didn't think was 422 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: very strong. I didn't think he allied any fears about 423 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: his ability to take on the president in a general 424 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: election debate. And that's what Democrats are looking for. I 425 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 1: think generally what Democrats are looking for this time is 426 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: not a purity test. They're looking for the best possible 427 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: candidate to take it to the president. Julie Agency, Democratic 428 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: strateg just mentioning South Ben Mayor Pete Buddha Jedge and 429 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 1: that exchange. Max, I was really struck by the exchange 430 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: that Buddha Jedge had with Elizabeth Warren pressing her on 431 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 1: how to pay for her plans. Here's the exchange. I 432 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 1: will not sign a bill into law that does not 433 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,800 Speaker 1: lower costs for middle class families. Mayor Buddha Jedge, you say, 434 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: Senator Warren has been quote evasive about how she's going 435 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: to pay for Medicare for all. What's your response, Well, 436 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: we heard it tonight, yes or no question. That didn't 437 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,919 Speaker 1: get a yes or no answer. So, Max, how do 438 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: you think Buddha Jedge did last night? Is he is 439 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: he successfully portraying himself as the alternatives a Biden. I 440 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: think Pete Buddha Judge is what Joe Biden thinks that 441 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: he is but can't quite execute on. I mean, here 442 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: you have Buddha Judge, and he's message tested this line 443 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: for the past few weeks in speeches and in interviews, 444 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,720 Speaker 1: but it's still hits. This idea that he's proposing largely 445 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: a similar approach that is voluntary medicare, and people have 446 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: I think valid criticisms of Buddha Judge's plan. But he 447 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 1: does hit that mark of saying, you know what good 448 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,640 Speaker 1: is policy without the numbers behind it, And he's hitting 449 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: this pragmatic line so aggressively that it's finally starting to 450 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: pay off, I think. And you see that not only 451 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:45,679 Speaker 1: in how durable his numbers have been, but his fundraising 452 00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 1: as well. He has the money to stay in even 453 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: at five or six or seven percent. To see how 454 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: this shakes out when Joe Biden and the rest of 455 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: the field have to eventually wind their campaigns up. It's 456 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: a marathon, not a sprint. It's a marathon, not a 457 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: spirit coming up. Garshamali, our foreign policy expert, comes calls 458 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: in to tell us what to make of the disastrous 459 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: meeting between President Trump and Speaker Pelosi and sedimentary of 460 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 1: the leader Truck Schoomer at the White House today over 461 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: the President's decision to withdraw troops from northern Syria. Panel 462 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 1: stage Julie Raginski, Democratic strategist, Max Burns, Democratic strategist. Download 463 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: the Bloomberg Sound on podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg 464 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 1: dot com, or by downloading the Bloomberg Business App. You 465 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: can also find us on Radio dot com. I Heart 466 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 1: Radio and Spotify. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington Correspondent FRO 467 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and Bloomberg Radio. You're listening to Bloomberg. You're 468 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: listening to Bloomberg. Sound On with Kevin Sirel on Bloomberg 469 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: and one oh five point seven F M h D two. 470 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: Chin up, folks, You're almost a Friday and the nationals 471 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,719 Speaker 1: are in the World Series. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington 472 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: correspondent from Bloomberg Televisi in a Bloomberg Radio. I've been 473 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: covering the debate for the past couple of days, and 474 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: I'm here in Columbus, Ohio. Head back to Washington literally 475 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 1: right after we get off air. Joining me on the 476 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: phone to discuss the lead story of the day. Hagar Shamali. 477 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:18,159 Speaker 1: She is the former director of Communications and spokesperson for 478 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: the US Mission to the u n She's also the 479 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: founder and CEO of Greenwich Media Strategies and if that 480 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: weren't enough, she was also the NSC director for Syria 481 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: and Lebanon between two thousand and ten and two thousand 482 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: and twelve. Hagar, thank you so much for calling in. 483 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 1: I know you have a busy schedule today. But this 484 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: meeting between Democrats storming out of the White House with 485 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 1: President Trump has really caused for lack of I mean, 486 00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 1: it's really caused a lot of questions. How would you 487 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: engauge where things are with President Trump and his decision 488 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: to withdraw troops from northern Syria. Thanks n listen, I 489 00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: wish I could have been there in person to talk 490 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: about this issue. Um, I feel really strongly about it. 491 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,000 Speaker 1: As you know, given my background on this, you know 492 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: this is we are in a situation where we caused 493 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: this mess. We the United States. And let me tell you, 494 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: for years, for the eight years of violence that have 495 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,640 Speaker 1: been to have taken place in Syria, any time anybody 496 00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: pointed the finger at the United States, I was the 497 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 1: first one out there to say, no, this is President 498 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: US as fault of Syria. He's the one who caused this. 499 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: If he hadn't responded to protests the way he had 500 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: with violence, we wouldn't have had the situation we have. 501 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: But but I need to be clear that the situation 502 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: that you have now in northern Syria is entirely the 503 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,680 Speaker 1: fault of the United States. And that is very hard 504 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,080 Speaker 1: to swallow. When a decision like that has such an 505 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: effect on people's lives, right, you're talking about people who 506 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: live there. Uh, not only do people who live their Kurds, Christians, Syrians, 507 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: but also the Kurds, who are an ethnic group that 508 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 1: live in that area. Um. We they were our allies. 509 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: We partnered with them in the in the fight against ISIS, 510 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:02,040 Speaker 1: and they are a large reason why we were successful 511 00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: in defeating ISIS. And so, you know, there are all 512 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,160 Speaker 1: sorts of issues of this, but I I've heard from 513 00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,480 Speaker 1: a lot of my sources in the government that there 514 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 1: isn't awareness at the senior level. And I don't know 515 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 1: if that includes the president, I'm I'm not sure, but 516 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: at the senior level of political appointees in different agencies 517 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: that we are the reason that you know that we 518 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: did cause this, and that the sanctions that were rolled 519 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,040 Speaker 1: out on Monday. Uh, you know that there's an awareness 520 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: that these are sanctions against Turkish behavior that we essentially 521 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: condoned or that the presidents condoned. Um. And so what 522 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: happened in the meeting between President Trump and fear seeker 523 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:45,040 Speaker 1: Pelosi and Senator Schumer to me, reveals that perhaps President 524 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: Trump is a little bit aware too right. I mean, 525 00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't seem like the most flexible person, and I 526 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 1: think that he was probably in denial. I mean, he 527 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 1: says that he didn't green light any kind of Turkish behavior, 528 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: and maybe he didn't realize he green lighted it, but 529 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 1: he did, um, and so perhaps that it fell apart 530 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: because because things are you know, he is maybe realizing that. 531 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: Now that is a speculation of mine. Um. But it's 532 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:10,120 Speaker 1: clearly couldn't come too much of an agreement. I have 533 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: to say the resolution condemning Trump's decision that came out 534 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: of the House doesn't do much at this point. It's 535 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: just too little, too late. Agar Shamali's on the line. 536 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: She was the NSC director for Syria and Lebanon between 537 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: two thousand and ten and two thousand and twelve. Huggar, 538 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for you to call in and help 539 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: us navigate this. Max Burns as well as Julie Raginski 540 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: are joining us from New York City, Bloomberg's world headquarters. 541 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: All right, now, I gotta get what's on each of 542 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,480 Speaker 1: the three of your radars, Huggar. Let me start with you. Obviously, 543 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: I know I know Syria's on your radar. But what 544 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,280 Speaker 1: else is on your radar? You know, I am distraught 545 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: a little bit over the process, the national security and 546 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: foreign policy process that you're seeing at the White House. 547 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: We are getting an inside look given the news that 548 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: have broken about Giuliani's efforts to use and exploit national 549 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: security processes for his own or for political gain. And 550 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: that's hard to see. I mean, it's hard to watch, 551 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 1: I think, not just for me, but for any national 552 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,240 Speaker 1: security professional. UM. There were reasons for ethics rules and 553 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: reasons why political appointees do not control usually foreign policy 554 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: and national security effort that's usually handled by by experts 555 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 1: and and and long career professionals, UM. And so that's 556 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: at the prop of my mind. I'm really worried about it, 557 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:28,520 Speaker 1: because when you see divisions like that, our adversaries take 558 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 1: note and they take advantage. UM. And you know, that 559 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 1: goes back to the point of Turkey. The reason Turkey, 560 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: the Turkish Prime minister reached out to Trump to ask 561 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 1: for him to withdraw his troops was because he saw 562 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,719 Speaker 1: the divisions and he saw that both left. So you know, 563 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: it's that's why that's all right, how Gar Shamali, thank 564 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: you so much. She's the former NSC director for Syria 565 00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: and Lebanon between two thousand and two thousand, Tell quickly, 566 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,160 Speaker 1: we got less than two minutes of max quickly. What's 567 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: on your radar? I'm looking at China, not only what's 568 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 1: happening in Hong Kong right now, but also as we're 569 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 1: seeing Nina starting to flex its muscle in using its 570 00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: market power to silence criticism from Americans like the NBA, 571 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,200 Speaker 1: like Activision Blizzard, the video game company, and that's that's 572 00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: something that you concern everybody, regardless of party. I'm still 573 00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: surprised that they're not talking more about trade policy at 574 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:18,719 Speaker 1: the debates Rually, what's on your radars? I'm looking at 575 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: the Republicans and at which point do they say that 576 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:25,200 Speaker 1: Trump's rhetoric like the PKK the Kurds are a bigger 577 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: terroristic threat to us than isis his entire serial policy 578 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 1: and his foreign policy generally the Ukraine tobaccle. At which 579 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: point did they say that enough is enough and they 580 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: start acting like it, not just talking about it publicly, 581 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 1: but saying to the President, look, we've had your back 582 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: all along here in the Senate, and unless you actually 583 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,920 Speaker 1: fall into line as a reasonable human being when it 584 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: comes to a foreign policy, We're not going to be 585 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: We're not going to be enabling you anymore, and Max stole, 586 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: what's all my radars? The first time this has happened, folks, 587 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: the President Trump said a trade deal with China probably 588 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: will not happen until he meets with Chinese President shi 589 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: Jing pay next month in Chile. That does it for me, 590 00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,960 Speaker 1: It does it for the panel. Thank you to our 591 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 1: esteemed guest Julie Raginski, Max Burns too, prominent democratic strategists, 592 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 1: as well as to Hagar Shamali for helping us sort 593 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,400 Speaker 1: through a dizzying day of news. Thank you also to 594 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: our wonderful hosts here where I am in Ohio. I 595 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,400 Speaker 1: want to thank Greg Sivaldi. He's the director of engineering 596 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: at I Heart Media here in Columbus, Columbus, Ohio. I'm 597 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: Kevin Cirelli. Chief Washington corresponded from Bloomberg TV and blog 598 00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Headed back to d C nine, folks, gonts, 599 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: I'm now a nats man. See that Washington, it happened. 600 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Bloomberg