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Speaker 1: The Action Network podcast, named best vetting podcast or radio

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Speaker 2: Wanna trick your down?

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Speaker 3: Yea, you got real telling. Don't concentrate on golf. What's up, everybody,

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Speaker 3: and welcome to another edition of the Action Network Podcast,

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Speaker 3: the golf edition, of course. I'm Jason Soble from golf Bet,

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Speaker 3: and as mentioned last week, Peter Jennings, my longtime co

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Speaker 3: host here on the pod, here on the Gimme, is

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Speaker 3: moving on to bigger and better things parenthood. So we

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Speaker 3: wish Peter good luck and everything, and they'll still come

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Speaker 3: on the pod every once in a while and join

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Speaker 3: us and hang out a little bit, still doing his thing.

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Speaker 3: But I am so happy to announce that my new

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Speaker 3: pod partner is a I who I worked with a DESPN,

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Speaker 3: then I worked with a golf channel. Now I get

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Speaker 3: to work with him again. He's the head of content

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Speaker 3: at fifteenth Club. You guys all know him, Justin Ray,

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Speaker 3: the statmaster of golf, the best numbers guy in the game.

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Speaker 3: What's going on, Jay Ray?

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. I'm just following you around place

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Speaker 2: to place. Yeah, you got to ESPN before I did.

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Speaker 2: You got to Golf Channel before I did, and now

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Speaker 2: I'm just latching onto your pod here. Your ex partner

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Speaker 2: is a few months ahead of me. My wife and

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Speaker 2: I expecting are first in May. Well he'll be more

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Speaker 2: like three am European tour watching in the middle of

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Speaker 2: the summer. I think for both of us.

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Speaker 3: Well, that's fantastic. First of all, I wasn't sure if

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Speaker 3: I was following you or you were following me all

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Speaker 3: over the place. So leaders follow each other. It's fine

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Speaker 3: strengthened numbers. And secondly, as a two time dad myself,

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Speaker 3: it's you're in for it. Just buckle up.

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Speaker 2: We feel for my wife because I'm not a small

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Speaker 2: man and this kid is like in the ninety ninth percentile. Whatever,

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Speaker 2: I feel for her and whenever she's going to go

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Speaker 2: through the next several months. But then when the little

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Speaker 2: tiring is here, and you know, I've got some monster

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Speaker 2: child running around. I mean his dad was six feet

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Speaker 2: hopefully he can replicate my peak of my athletic career

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Speaker 2: age eleven and twelve, and then it was all downhill

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Speaker 3: It's funny and I'm not a very large man. But

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Speaker 3: I found I dug out of the closet the other

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Speaker 3: day a jersey that my mom had made for me

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Speaker 3: when I was twelve years old. It's Royals on the

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Speaker 3: front with Bo Jackson sixteen and she stitched together Raiders

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Speaker 3: on the back with Bo Jackson's thirty four. And it's

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Speaker 3: a really cool like double jersey. And I put it on,

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it almost still fits. And that's just more

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Speaker 3: about that I was a pretty big twelve year old

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Speaker 3: than i'm, you know, than that I haven't gained it's

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Speaker 3: you know, I think a couple of beers.

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Speaker 2: Over the year's proud of I can't fit anything from

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Speaker 2: like college.

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Speaker 3: So in any case, I'm so pumped to have you

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Speaker 3: here on the pod, so pumped to have you. You're also

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Speaker 3: going to be on the Gimme with us every week

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Speaker 3: doing all your stuff from from the fifteenth Club as well.

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Speaker 3: So this is such a cool little connection partnership that

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Speaker 3: we've got going on now. So I guess the first

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Speaker 3: place we'll start is looking back at Phoenix this past week.

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Speaker 3: Justin my takeaway from the weekend, So we had Dustin

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Speaker 3: the Super Bowl for a seventh time and become the

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Speaker 3: MVP for a fifth time. And so my big takeaway

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Speaker 3: from the weekend was winners win, and whatever whatever sport

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Speaker 3: And I you know, a lot of people might look

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Speaker 3: has that killer instinct. You know what, when you keep

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Speaker 3: winning over and over again, apparently you do. Brooks Kepka

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Speaker 3: certainly looks like he has a killer instinct. Tom Brady,

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Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna go a total different direction

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Speaker 2: because I took away from the weekend you have all

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Speaker 2: these colossal names and sports, right, Brady winning the Super Bowl, Koepka,

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Speaker 2: me was another three time major champion who came back

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Speaker 2: It was, you know, the reaction not just on I

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Speaker 2: just there is a buzz, a palpable buzz, you know,

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Speaker 2: around what this guy could do. And it just reminded

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Speaker 2: me of just you know, made me think about why

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Speaker 2: You know, there's you know, why is it? Why are

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Speaker 2: That's the real story to me. I know everyone's gonna

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Speaker 2: I walk, I stepped back, and I think Jordan was

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Speaker 2: the most interesting part of the whole weekend. Now you

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Speaker 2: could rank it all these different ways. You mentioned Xander

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Speaker 2: that Tony fen Now territory where he's close there weekend

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Speaker 2: kind of hover around it. But yeah, winners do win,

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Speaker 2: right And the Koepka reminded us of why, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think two things with Kopka. First, I would not

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Speaker 3: in the media, we always like to play these narratives

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Speaker 3: which I'm not sure that was ever the case, and

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Speaker 2: Did you know Jordan and JT and Fowler are staying

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Speaker 3: That's so weird. No, I never never heard anything about that.

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Speaker 3: So DJ wins early in the morning. I wonder if

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Speaker 3: phone at some point out DJ one, all right, cool,

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Speaker 2: You, DJ, all right, we'll see, we'll see from that

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Speaker 2: big narrative sense, you take a step back and like, oh,

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Speaker 2: everyone loves that Jordan Speeth is lighting it up on

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Speaker 2: We know, he peaks in these giant events, and he

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Speaker 2: kind of he's even admitted to it, talking about how

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Speaker 2: So you know, maybe it I know, it's kind of

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Speaker 3: And one thing Brooks said after the round was even

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Speaker 3: though it was only five thousand people out there or yeah,

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Speaker 3: they're actually counting. Usually the waste Management Phoenix open like overestimates,

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Speaker 3: this one might have been underestimated.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the numbers are always a little bit off. The

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I will say that in most years when

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Speaker 3: trying to prognosticate this event, I've looked at guys who

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Speaker 3: so I think that helped brooks Kepkin. He said it

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Speaker 3: want to get back to speed, though, because you're a

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Speaker 3: title contention, after getting onto the leaderboard for the first

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Speaker 3: time in quite a while, the question around Speth is

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Speaker 3: going to be is he back? Now we've been here,

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Speaker 3: done that for the last ten years. Yeah, is Tiger back?

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Speaker 3: Is so and so back? I've never really quite understood

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Speaker 3: what back is. But I want to ask you, being

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Speaker 2: The most promising number from Jordan's speed throughout the week

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Speaker 2: was his strokes gained, approach play. I know that the

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Speaker 2: narrative around speak when he was at his peak was

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Speaker 2: this guy makes more twenty footers than anyone on the planet.

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Speaker 2: This guy makes more plotts outside of fifteen feet than anybody.

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Speaker 2: The truth is he was a top five iron player

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Speaker 2: in the world statistically in that stretch from twenty fifteen

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Speaker 2: to twenty eighteen. Kind of that the houseyon Jordan's speed

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Speaker 2: days where he's at his peak, and he showed that

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Speaker 2: on Saturday. He gained well, I think it was like

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Speaker 2: he led the field in strokes gain approach for the

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Speaker 2: tournament in Phoenix. You know he was wild when he won,

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Speaker 2: you know, the big events on the PGA Tour, his

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Speaker 2: last win the Open. I know you don't necessarily have

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Speaker 2: to hit a lot of fairways to win any Open championship,

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Speaker 2: but he was under fifty percent, and that's not something

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Speaker 2: that you typically see.

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Speaker 3: On the PGA Tour.

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Speaker 2: Only a few guys have multiple wins when hitting under

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Speaker 3: Five questions you never asked. I gotta be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: better than anybody else who played fifty or more rounds

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Speaker 2: in that span. Like the only guys who even closed

434
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Speaker 2: to him were guys who didn't play as much, you know,

435
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Speaker 2: because they weren't they didn't accumulate that many shots over

436
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Speaker 2: par to where they got somewhere near Tiger. But you know,

437
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Speaker 2: he beat like VJ and Ernie and Film by like

438
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Speaker 2: three hundred shots during that span combined. Over that, you

439
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Speaker 2: put together something like that where you know it's never

440
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Speaker 2: really been ex blamed that way, and I think that

441
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Speaker 2: can be that usually gets the most traction. But yeah,

442
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Speaker 2: usually it's something that's kind of it's tough to dig

443
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Speaker 2: up and you end up Like my favorite one last

444
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Speaker 2: year was after Xander finished sixth at the US Open,

445
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Speaker 2: He's finished sixth. They're better each of his first four

446
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Speaker 2: US Open starts. And this took me like three hours

447
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Speaker 2: to dig up because I do a whole bunch of

448
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Speaker 2: things to find it. The last guy to do that

449
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Speaker 2: in each of his first four US Opens was Bobby Jones.

450
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Speaker 3: Wow.

451
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Speaker 2: So you come up with something like that that's really

452
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Speaker 2: kind of unprecedent, and that's that's what's most rewarding, is

453
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Speaker 2: when you're able to unearth something that you know that

454
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Speaker 2: I've never read before and probably no one's ever found out.

455
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that. By the way, Nicholas Seve Tiger

456
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Speaker 3: speeth every seventeen years like they're cicadas. Ccada's come out

457
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Speaker 3: every seventeen years. It's like they them and Augusta National

458
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Speaker 3: when they're young. So third question for you. This can

459
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Speaker 3: obviously change based on the week, based on the event,

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Speaker 3: but is there one metric that you see as more

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Speaker 3: predictive than all others for professional golfers.

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Speaker 2: I think ultimately, you know, what I've learned over the

463
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Speaker 2: last few years is that in most elite professional golf events,

464
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Speaker 2: strokes gained approach is the most important statistic to look at.

465
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Speaker 2: Over the last few years now that there's some some

466
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Speaker 2: growing number of shot link type data for the Masters.

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Speaker 2: It's one of the things that I thought was most

468
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Speaker 2: revelatory because growing up I always you always just heard,

469
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Speaker 2: you know stuff about Augusta's legendary greens and course knowledge

470
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Speaker 2: gathered over time. But really you look at the numbers

471
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Speaker 2: in recent years and it's a it's a competition of

472
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Speaker 2: who it's the best iron shots, which makes sense with

473
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Speaker 2: guys like you know, Tiger having immense success maybe being

474
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Speaker 2: the best iron player to ever play. Ben Hogan would

475
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Speaker 2: be the other guy in the conversation. He's a you know,

476
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Speaker 2: one of the best Master's players of all time. I

477
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Speaker 2: think week in and week out, that ends up being

478
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Speaker 2: the thing that's most significant. You also realize, you know,

479
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Speaker 2: I think conversationally we often talk about a guy missing

480
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Speaker 2: fairways and that being important, but really, empirically, the numbers

481
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Speaker 2: tell you that hitting fairways in elite level golf at

482
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Speaker 2: this point is almost irrelevant, so you can if you

483
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Speaker 2: miss it really badly, it can be bad in a

484
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Speaker 2: lot of places. But I think ultimately strokes Steed approach

485
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Speaker 2: ends up being the most telling statistic most of the time,

486
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Speaker 2: week in and week out, and putting ends up being

487
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Speaker 2: it can be important, and it can be really key

488
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Speaker 2: to some players who maybe have a lower performance baseline

489
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Speaker 2: with their iron play. But there's a little bit of

490
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Speaker 2: a random randomization in terms of putting week in and

491
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Speaker 2: week out that's not nearly as reliable as something like

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Speaker 2: Justin Thomas is one of the best iron players in

493
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Speaker 2: the world. Everywhere he goes, he could possibly win because

494
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Speaker 2: he brings that with him.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you said that strokes gain approach because

496
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Speaker 3: I've gone on the same theory for a long time

497
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Speaker 3: and if you know, if you'd said, oh, well, it's

498
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Speaker 3: chipping from just off the green, from ten to thirty

499
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Speaker 3: yards left of the green, I'd be like, oh crap,

500
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Speaker 3: I've been doing this wrong the entire time. So we're

501
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Speaker 3: at least on the same page there. I feel like

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Speaker 3: I'm for sure I'm in a good company there. Question four,

503
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Speaker 3: at what point? Maybe it's always been this way for you,

504
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Speaker 3: but at what point did you realize that all of

505
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Speaker 3: your the number crunching isn't just valuable for golf broadcasts,

506
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Speaker 3: for student for helping the Ryder Cup team in Europe,

507
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Speaker 3: but is extremely valuable for the gambling and DFS communities.

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Speaker 2: I think once I started getting into playing Daily Fantasy,

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Speaker 2: which would probably be I don't know, probably twenty fourteen

510
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Speaker 2: or twenty fifteen, maybe building up I mean, like I mean,

511
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Speaker 2: a couple of times I had been to Vegas, I had,

512
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Speaker 2: you know, put a few coins down on it, but

513
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Speaker 2: you know, nothing crazy, nothing that I thought about weekend,

514
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Speaker 2: week out. And then I think once I started, you know,

515
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Speaker 2: I started tinkering around with my my dorkycell files and realizing, oh, okay,

516
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Speaker 2: I can find out who has the highest birdy average

517
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Speaker 2: on these type of golf courses and that correlates to

518
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Speaker 2: Daily Fantasy points. And it was kind of a gradual,

519
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Speaker 2: you know, kind of growth into it. And now that

520
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Speaker 2: it's become more and more mainstream less taboo, you know,

521
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Speaker 2: I mean, how far we've come in terms of conversations

522
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Speaker 2: and content about you know, betting on sports in this

523
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Speaker 2: country in the last ten years or so is pretty remarkable.

524
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Speaker 2: So fortunately for me, that's kind of dovetailed nicely with

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Speaker 2: my career.

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Speaker 3: So it's you find a new idea, what you mean exactly.

527
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Speaker 2: So it's another way to get people into the sport, right,

528
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Speaker 2: It's another way to tie. Look, if somebody is more

529
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Speaker 2: of an NFL college football fan, and you know they

530
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Speaker 2: haven't really gotten into golf before, if it's a window

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Speaker 2: to get people interested in the sport, and I'll take

532
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Speaker 2: a lot of my friends. Right when I was twenty two,

533
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Speaker 2: I was the only one of my friends really like

534
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Speaker 2: watching golf week in and week out. By the time

535
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Speaker 2: I got to thirty two, all of my friends wanted

536
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Speaker 2: to talk about golf all the time. It's like you

537
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Speaker 2: open the door and it just bursts right through in

538
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Speaker 2: terms of interest for people. So that's the way I've

539
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Speaker 2: always looked at daily fantasy or betting, is that this

540
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Speaker 2: gets them interested in it. Maybe they go pick up

541
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Speaker 2: a set of clubs. Maybe it's kind of way I've

542
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Speaker 2: you top golf too, Like they go get lessons, they

543
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Speaker 2: get into the game. It's it's all kind of it's

544
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Speaker 2: all good, man, it all kind of rolls in together.

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Speaker 2: For me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, personally, I think the gambling thing is just a fad,

547
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Speaker 3: But I don't almost see what happens. I'm obviously I'm

548
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Speaker 3: kidding guys now, I mean you and I have benefited

549
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Speaker 3: from not only being in this business, but being in

550
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Speaker 3: the business at sort of the boom time I'm of

551
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Speaker 3: when we're getting into this. I mean, I can tell

552
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Speaker 3: you stories that not that long ago, not only was

553
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Speaker 3: I sort of covering it from this angle, but let's

554
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Speaker 3: just say I might not have been credentialed for PGA

555
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Speaker 3: Tour events for the upcoming time. And now it's we've

556
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Speaker 3: got a PGA Tour partnership and the PGA Tours all

557
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Speaker 3: in gambling, and everything is moved, not just moved in

558
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Speaker 3: the right direction, but move very very rapidly in the

559
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Speaker 3: right direction. So last question is based on the data.

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Speaker 3: Are there a few players justin who you look at

561
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Speaker 3: right now and say, how are these guys not better?

562
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Speaker 3: How are they not winning events? And if so, who

563
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Speaker 3: might they be? I dug up, Seamus Power has really

564
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Speaker 3: good numbers, great stats around the board, Like I don't

565
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Speaker 3: think I've ever seen his name on a leader board

566
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Speaker 3: come Sunday afternoon. So I mean, you could take that

567
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Speaker 3: however you might want to take it.

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Speaker 2: There are a few guys who are really good in

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Speaker 2: certain aspects of their game, and I feel like, like

570
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Speaker 2: a modicum of improvement in one area, they would win

571
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Speaker 2: all the time. Corey Connors is a guy like that

572
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Speaker 2: he has through the roof ball striking numbers since he

573
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Speaker 2: turned pro. He led the tour in greens regulation a

574
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Speaker 2: couple of years ago. He's a top ten, top fifteen

575
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Speaker 2: iron player in terms of strokes being approached. The last

576
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Speaker 2: few years, he's just not been a very good putter,

577
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Speaker 2: and you feel like if he can make that next

578
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Speaker 2: one little step like he could, he could really make

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Speaker 2: a big difference. I think Abraham Answer is a really

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Speaker 2: good player. His iron numbers are outstanding. If he hit

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Speaker 2: it a little bit further and putt it a little

582
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Speaker 2: bit better, like you know, he has an opportunities he

583
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Speaker 2: grows in his career to be somebody who wins a lot.

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Speaker 2: I really like his skill set. The answer to me like,

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Speaker 2: why don't they win more? I mean, f now is

586
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Speaker 2: in contention all the time, but I think that guy

587
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Speaker 2: is probably the guy who had the fifty four League

588
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Speaker 2: yesterday and ultimately finished runner up in Xander Shockley. And

589
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Speaker 2: then his metrics for everything are awesome, like he visually

590
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Speaker 2: if you watch the golf last week, you could tell

591
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Speaker 2: like he drives the ball as good as basically anybody

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Speaker 2: on the planet. At this point, he's having his best

593
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Speaker 2: strokes game putting season of his career. His iron numbers

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Speaker 2: are improving. He's good at basically everything. It's just a

595
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Speaker 2: matter of time where he puts together right, and you

596
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Speaker 2: can talk about the tangible things like performing under pressure.

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Speaker 2: Intangible things like performing under pressure or you know, making

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Speaker 2: clutch potts or you know, the things that like Paul

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Speaker 2: Aisinger in the booth might want to talk about, like

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Speaker 2: you know, the leaderboard, gravity and things like that, where

601
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Speaker 2: it's not really like tangible statistical things, and maybe he

602
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Speaker 2: needs to get better at that. But for me, it's

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Speaker 2: really just like it's like somebody like Dustin Johnson earlier

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Speaker 2: in his career where he lost the fifty four league

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Speaker 2: at the US Open. He had the issue at the

606
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Speaker 2: PGA Championship, putting yourself in this position over and over

607
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Speaker 2: again because you're an excellent player and victories will happen,

608
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Speaker 2: like it's going to happen eventually. That's the way I

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Speaker 2: feel about Fenw and Xander, and to a lesser extent

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Speaker 2: maybe guys I gave answer to.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I say that all the time, justin I'd rather

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Speaker 3: see guys get into contention and at least get into

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Speaker 3: the heat of the battle on the back nine on

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Speaker 3: a Sunday afternoon and lose than finishing T forty seven

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Speaker 3: t off on the tenth t at eight forty on

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Speaker 3: Sunday morning, be in the air at two o'clock in

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Speaker 3: the afternoon while the leaders are still out there. That

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Speaker 3: doesn't do you any good as a professional golfer. So

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Speaker 3: I think these guys will learn from it, and I

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Speaker 3: couldn't agree more. Xander has every possible skill, and I

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Speaker 3: just think it's a matter of time before that only

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Speaker 3: equates into some wins. So let's get into this week's

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Speaker 3: AT and T Pebble Beach pro am. The field is

624
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Speaker 3: not great, the weather's even worse. It's gonna be cold.

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Speaker 3: I had one player text me a little bit ago

626
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Speaker 3: and saying he was practicing while wearing his mask because

627
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Speaker 3: that was the only thing that would keep him warm

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Speaker 3: on a Monday afternoon. So it is not going to

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Speaker 3: be very nice out there. It's a lot nicer to

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Speaker 3: watch Pebble Beach from the couch this week than to

631
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Speaker 3: be on site. But we can use that to our

632
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Speaker 3: advantage a little bit maybe when we're trying to make

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Speaker 3: our picks this week. Dustin Johnson as low a favorite

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Speaker 3: low odds as we've seen in the last couple of

635
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Speaker 3: years at plus four hundred in most books, four and

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Speaker 3: a one coming into this thing, I get it. He's

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Speaker 3: DJ He's won at Pebble Beach a couple of times,

638
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Speaker 3: he's had a pair of top three finishes in the

639
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Speaker 3: last four years. He's coming off a win at the

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Speaker 3: Saudi International this past week. He's got everything in his favor,

641
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Speaker 3: but four to one. That is pretty short odds. Patrick

642
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: can'tlay right behind him at ten to one. And then

643
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Speaker 3: then we start going down the rabbit hole just a

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Speaker 3: little bit, just and we start getting into guys like

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Speaker 3: Daniel Berger, and we start getting into the let's say,

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Speaker 3: I've got the whole of Daniel Berger at eighteen to

647
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Speaker 3: one as we speak, Paul Casey twenty to one, Zalatorus

648
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 3: twenty five, Jason Day thirty, Jordans p thirty, Francesco Molinari

649
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 3: thirty three, Seawoo Kim at thirty five to one, and

650
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: of course a whole bunch of guys following them after that.

651
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 3: I guess, before we start getting into specific players, what

652
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 3: type of player are you looking at this week? And

653
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: remember it is not a pro am. This week, even

654
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 3: though it's still called a PRORAM, So they're taking Monoe

655
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: Peninsula out of the rotation this week and it's only

656
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: Pebble Beach and Spyglass weatherwise.

657
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: Sounds like a good week to not have the amateurs

658
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: out there miss slowed things. Yeah, kind of a welcome

659
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 2: coincidence there. I think the first thing I like to

660
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,680
Speaker 2: do is I take a look at, you know, the

661
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: average field rankings for winners in a certain golf course. Right,

662
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: so the last ten years, the average driving distance rank

663
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 2: that week for players at Pebble Beach is forty point six.

664
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: That's really low, and that's fifteen spots lower than the

665
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 2: tour average over the last ten years. So you take

666
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: that and couple it with the fact that driving accuracy,

667
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 2: the average rank is thirtieth and the tour average is

668
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: around twenty sixth, and it just tells you that driving

669
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: the golf ball isn't explicitly important here if you want

670
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: to have success. And that makes sense because like you're in,

671
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: you're out. It's usually the shortest course on the PGA Tour,

672
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 2: So that type of layout maybe guys who rely more

673
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 2: gain more strokes on the field. Off the tee that

674
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 2: maybe somebody you steer away from a little bit, and

675
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 2: you know, you can see why, like a guy like

676
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: Phil Michelson, who you know famously has been driving it

677
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 2: all over the planet for thirty years and winning along

678
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 2: the way. You could see how he could win this

679
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: tournament five times like he has, where it's not necessarily

680
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: you know, guys who gained lots of shots on the

681
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: field off the tee. So and then you take the

682
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: flip side of that, and ultimately Greens and Regulation becomes

683
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: a much more important statistic than normal. The average winner

684
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 2: of the last ten years has ranked about six than

685
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: Greens and Regulation at Pebble Beach. The tour average is

686
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: around thirteenth in that time span. So it's a little

687
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: bit more of an iron competition less off the tee.

688
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: And then you got the POA Greens to deal with,

689
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: right and players typically, you know, it's not usually that

690
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 2: huge of a difference. I know, we talk about bumpy

691
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: POA and you know, guys like Rory famously always sentence

692
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: to mention, you know, wanting to get to get off

693
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: that surface and get to something more reliable like in

694
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: Florida really puts between four and eight and five and

695
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: ten feet. It's only about a two percent make difference

696
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour between POA and between all other surfaces,

697
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: So that seems like a small number that's going to

698
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: add up in a player's mind if he misses a

699
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: couple over the course of a round, it's going to

700
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: add up there. But typically some of the guys who've

701
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 2: been really good putting on POA the last few years.

702
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: Patrick Reid is the best on the PGA Tour the

703
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 2: last three years. And it came to fruition at Torrey

704
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: Pines right where on the south course he putted brilliantly

705
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: and you know, missed a ton of greens but still

706
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 2: was able to gain a bunch of shots and and

707
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: ultimately win that turn by five shots. Uh, Matt Coocher's

708
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 2: and other guy's been really good putting on POA the

709
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: last couple of seasons. And another guy who has had

710
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 2: a lot of success in this golf tournament is also

711
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: pretty good put on POA. Kevin Streelman, I'm gonna talk

712
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 2: about later. I really want a course horse. He is

713
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: the definition of it. This week at Pebble.

714
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,959
Speaker 1: Beach's Gidea Horses for Courses.

715
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: That's kind of what I'm looking at, guys who you

716
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 2: know you can pick a guy like a like a

717
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 2: Stuart's Sink or maybe a Peter mal Natty or somebody

718
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 2: who doesn't hit the ball very far and you know

719
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: they have a chance to really contend this week.

720
00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm gonna get into it. I love all

721
00:32:51,240 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: those numbers and Streaman, by the way, doesn't have Larry

722
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 3: Fitzgerald with him this week, so it might be a

723
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 3: little tougher. He doesn't have his his am to help

724
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 3: him out this week, bringing that sand out to the

725
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 3: very first Larry could play. I want to get to

726
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 3: the top it. I will say, if you want to

727
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 3: make an investment in DJ somewhere, I don't mind it

728
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 3: for a one and done pool. For those people that

729
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 3: do the one and done pools, like look, everyone's gonna

730
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 3: take DJ in a major championship. They're gonna save him

731
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: for a big one. You can get DJ at a

732
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 3: place where he's four to one, where he's basically supposed

733
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 3: to win. I don't mind it this week. Other than that,

734
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 3: I probably won't be on DJ at all. Patrick Can'tley

735
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 3: really scares me because I'm probably gonna fade. Can't Lee.

736
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 3: I don't think I'm gonna jump on him at ten

737
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 3: to one, and I can see Patrick Cantley just playing

738
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: lights out this week. He's played really well. Obviously, that

739
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: final round at the Amex a few weeks ago in

740
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: his most recent start was really solid, and so Can'tley's

741
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 3: the guy that I look at that he could ruin

742
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 3: it all. He could ruin all the tickets for all

743
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: of us. But I'm going to bypass him as well,

744
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 3: and so I'm going to my favorite outright play this

745
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 3: week is a guy that I think and I hope

746
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 3: has a lot of the same qualities as Brooks Kepka

747
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,960
Speaker 3: did last week. Like Keopka, Jason Day is a four

748
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 3: former world number one l Like Kepka, He's working with

749
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: a new swing coach, or at least just left his

750
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 3: old swing coach. Like Kepka. He is coming off two

751
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 3: missed cuts to start his year. What else Lake Kepka,

752
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,160
Speaker 3: He's got a whole bag full of new clubs, Lake Kepka.

753
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 3: He's going to a place you know kept goes there

754
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 3: last week in Scottsdale, but a place where Day hasn't won,

755
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 3: but he's at least played really well with top five

756
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 3: finishes in each of the last four years. So I

757
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: ask you, justin what do you think about my Jason

758
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 3: Day play this week?

759
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 2: It's interesting, I mean, he's if you just so, We're

760
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 2: only playing Pebble and Spyglass this week, right, So when

761
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: I looked at birdie average and scoring averages, I just

762
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 2: isolated those two courses over the last ten years, Jason

763
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 2: Day is third in birdie average at Pebble Beach and

764
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 2: Spyglass combined, only two with more Kevin Streelman and Dustin Johnson.

765
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 2: His Day's recent form scares me a little bit, and

766
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 2: there's always that outside chance. I mean, the guy seems

767
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 2: to w d as much as anybody in golf, and

768
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: his body's not super reliable at that weather too. That

769
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: a little bit this week, I don't know. I'm hesitant

770
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: to go with Jason Day, and I just don't think

771
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 2: the value there is enough for me to go all in.

772
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: One note on Dustin Johnson, the last two years, he's

773
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 2: gone directly from Saudi to Pebble okay, and like he's

774
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 2: doing this week. One at Saudi in twenty nineteen. Both

775
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 2: times twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, he faded on the

776
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: weekend seventy three, seventy one and nineteen seventy two, seventy

777
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 2: eight last year in the final round makes me think

778
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 2: maybe he runs out of gas going week to week

779
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,799
Speaker 2: globe trotting across the world. That seventy eight was his

780
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: worst round at Pebble Beach since the final round of

781
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 2: twenty ten US opened. So when you're just four to one,

782
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're coming off a week off and

783
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 2: going to Pebble Beach, I mean, yeah, okay, I could

784
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,839
Speaker 2: definitely see that. But I think tying in that, you know,

785
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 2: having success playing with the lead a little bit tougher

786
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: than you know, maybe a throwaway Saturday and Sunday where

787
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,359
Speaker 2: you're not contending and then going back to back. I'm

788
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: a little wary of that for DJ this week.

789
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: I think that's very valid right there. Okay, so we've

790
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: heard you and you don't like So whether it's one

791
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 3: of those top guys who's shorter than fifty to one,

792
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:08,799
Speaker 3: or maybe a guy that's a little bit higher than that,

793
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: where might some of your favorite plays be this week?

794
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 2: I think there's great value in going with a guy

795
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: who is the absolute Like I said, the definition of

796
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,280
Speaker 2: a horse for a course at this golf tournament, Kevin Streelman,

797
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 2: I see at forty five to one. I've seeing at

798
00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 2: fifty to one in another place. He's gaining more the

799
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,360
Speaker 2: last five years, he's gaining more than three and a

800
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 2: half strokes per round on the field at Pebble Beach.

801
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: That's far and away the best of any player on

802
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 2: that golf course. Adding the fat, you know you got

803
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: two rounds there too at Spyglass instead of is it

804
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 2: to its Spyglass.

805
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 3: Or is it three at Pebble, I think three at Pebble.

806
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: Well there you go, even more so than to be

807
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: invested in that three at Pebble Beach. He leads all

808
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,479
Speaker 2: players in birdie average across all courses in this event

809
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: the last ten years. Strokes gave tea to Green at

810
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: Pebble Beach. The last five years number one in that category.

811
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 2: You had four rounds in the sixties last week in Phoenix,

812
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: top twenty five finish. Another note that I really like

813
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 2: Sony Open week. I looked into the players who are

814
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 2: best on the PGA Tour on shorter golf courses, courses

815
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 2: where it's not necessarily you know, a distance contest and

816
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: driving off the tee doesn't necessarily help you as much.

817
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,799
Speaker 3: How many courses would that be? About seven or eight?

818
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was about ten. It was all courses seventy

819
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 2: one hundred yards in under the last five years or so,

820
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: Streelman on courses seventy one hundred and under averages more

821
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 2: strokes gained per round than Brooks kept. Go So Streelman

822
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 2: on short courses one point six per round, Kepka about

823
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: one point five. Just to give you a cop That's

824
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 2: not a knock on Brooks at all. It's just basically saying,

825
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: look at the value you can get for Kevin Streelman

826
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: on one of these short courses. So I like, that's

827
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 2: my favorite pick to win is Kevin Streelman. I don't

828
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:44,919
Speaker 2: know if it's gonna happen. He's not a guy who's

829
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 2: got a bunch of w's in his closet of the

830
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: course of his career. But at forty five to one,

831
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 2: with that kind of course history, I love him.

832
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: This week, Okay, I'm going to reel off just a

833
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 3: handful of names. This is what we call him business

834
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: covering your bases justin so, okay, I don't do it

835
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,399
Speaker 3: as agree and I'm certainly not going to name names

836
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 3: or people out there might just you know, have a

837
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: podcast in the list one hundred and twenty three players

838
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 3: every single week and then on Monday morning say hey,

839
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,319
Speaker 3: do you listen star a pod? We mentioned him last week,

840
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: and so I'm not certainly going to do that, but

841
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: i will throw out a few names, just guys that

842
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 3: I'm interested in. We want to get onto making our

843
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 3: DraftKings line up in a minute here, so I'm not

844
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 3: going to linger too long on any of these. But

845
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: Max Homa, who didn't play great in Phoenix but has

846
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 3: a really good track record on the West Coast. He's

847
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 3: been playing well. Harold Varner the third, who's kind of

848
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: a little bit of a flyer, but ball striking numbers

849
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 3: really strong last week. Just no course history whatsoever here,

850
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: could keep the ownership percentages at least for fantasy down

851
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 3: a little bit. Just based on the value Rafa Cabrera

852
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 3: Bao at one fifty to one, why not. I just

853
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: think it's a really high number for a player of

854
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: his talent level. Mark Hubbard the Snail who once got

855
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 3: engaged right off the eighteenth Green, so he's got a

856
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 3: little karma going for him. Andrew Putnam straight off a

857
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: week where he didn't make a bogie, and so he's

858
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 3: a guy you're pointing at me here on the pod,

859
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 3: so I know you like. Put him Cameron Davis another

860
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 3: guy that I like, and have another Cameron, Cameron Trengali

861
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 3: and Joel Demon I'll throw in at the end of there.

862
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 3: So there's just a handful of guys that won and

863
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 3: done's top ten, Top twenty Props DFS lineups. Just a

864
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 3: bunch of names that I like. Any of those guys

865
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 3: kind of strike you as guys you like, and who

866
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 3: else maybe that I didn't mention them.

867
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: There two of them sung to me is the first one.

868
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 2: He's a top twenty player on tour the season strokes

869
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 2: game Tea to Green, and his driving numbers haven't been

870
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 2: as good as they've been in years pasts. He's getting

871
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 2: it dumb with his irons, and that fits the kind

872
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 2: of profile here at Pebble Beach. A guy who's played

873
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 2: really good, like through the three iron through wedge all

874
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 2: four rounds in the sixties last week in Phoenix played

875
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 2: pretty well. So I think he's got some pretty good

876
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 2: value I've got. When I made my draftings team, I

877
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 2: made sure he was part of it. The other guy

878
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 2: you mentioned that I liked, and I pointed to you

879
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: about Andrew Putnam. First guy ever to play seventy who

880
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: holes a TVC Scottsdale and not make a single bogie.

881
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 2: Last nine PGA Tour rounds Putnam's twenty nine under par.

882
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: He's one of the shortest players on tour, which once

883
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: again that fits this same kind of profile. Guy who's

884
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: playing well and is going too a course where he

885
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: can take advantage of it, makes his living with his

886
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 2: irons and his putter really low price. One hundred and

887
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 2: ten to one to win, I'm probably gonna throw at

888
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 2: just a couple bucks on him. One hundred and ten

889
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: to one to win. With that kind of upside, I

890
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: like it. Guy on hot streak can kind of take

891
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: a flyer on the other guy who fits that succeeding

892
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 2: on short courses Number Stuart Sink guy won in California

893
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,200
Speaker 2: earlier in the year. He's coming off three straight made

894
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: cuts more than four and a half birdies per round

895
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,560
Speaker 2: on courses under seventy one hundred yards. That's seventh best

896
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour. That's more and more birdies than

897
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 2: he's ever averaged over a full season. Over the last

898
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 2: like ten to fifteen years, he gains nearly one point

899
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: six strokes per round on shorter courses, the same kind

900
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: of profile that I was talking about earlier with Streelman.

901
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 2: That's somebody who I think you could round out a

902
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: DraftKings team with this week and get some good value for.

903
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 3: By the way, some of those Putnam stats I used

904
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 3: I may have subconsciously gathered from you from Twityter. It's

905
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 3: not still. It's like it's hunting and gathering, you know.

906
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: It's like we're looking for nuts and berries out out

907
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: in the woods somewhere, and I just have to pick

908
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 3: a week like especially.

909
00:41:15,480 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: A week like this. I mean, you look at the

910
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 2: field and there's not a lot of slam dunk answers.

911
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 2: You know, You've got a guy like Jason Day really

912
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: high up on the board and he hasn't won in

913
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 2: a long time, and he's not quite the guy used

914
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 2: to be. You've got to kind of pluck this value

915
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: from here. And there one other guy who I'm going

916
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,879
Speaker 2: to bet to be the first round leader. This guy

917
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: is the most volable, fun player I think to watch.

918
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: Aga to oh, I want to guess it. Hang on,

919
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,479
Speaker 3: hang on, before give it, give me another hint.

920
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: Always smiling boy.

921
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: I'd go Varner because he's volnerable and fun and smiling.

922
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 2: Finished eleventh year last year.

923
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 3: Joel Damon Now he's fourteenth. He's volatile and fun and smiley.

924
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: The only guy on tour who went to my alma mater,

925
00:41:56,600 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 2: Sweet Pete malnaughty Ah, Peter mal Nott is. Yes, he's

926
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 2: one of the best putters on the PGA Tour.

927
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 3: Short really well in opening rounds too.

928
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: Yes, above average with his irons this season. Like we said,

929
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 2: shortest course on the PGA Tour this week, finished tied

930
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: for eleventh here. Last year he's top ten on tour

931
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: and birdie average. That's something you do not expect with

932
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 2: a guy who doesn't hit the ball that far. And

933
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: maybe that's a product of some of the shorter courses

934
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: earlier in the season playing out here of course, like

935
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: Pebble Beach and then some of the other shorter courses

936
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 2: in the fall. But he's a guy who I mean,

937
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: he's just he could he's gonna go sixty two to

938
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 2: seventy five. I mean, you have no idea what to

939
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 2: expect with the guy. He's got a ton of low

940
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: rounds here in the last eighteen months on tour, nearly

941
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,640
Speaker 2: one in the fall. I think it was Sanderson Farms

942
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: when Sergeria won. You know, he's put together a lot

943
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: of low rounds. I'll put some money on him first

944
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: round leader and top twenty.

945
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: Okay, I like that. My first round leader guy this

946
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 3: week is Cameron Trengali. He's had already this season a

947
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 3: sixty six, a sixty seven pair of sixty eights on Thursdays,

948
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: coming off a pretty good week this past week in Phoenix,

949
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 3: and he's played pretty well at Pebble in the past.

950
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 3: So I don't mind him for a first round. And

951
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 3: when you're talking first round leaders, as you know, it's like, sure, well,

952
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:11,319
Speaker 3: you know, I'll buy a lottery ticket. Why not?

953
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, That's kind how I feel about Peter, And you know,

954
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 2: you just there's a decent chance that he's gonna go

955
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: out there and put together a low number, or he

956
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: can go out and make three doubles on his first night. Holes.

957
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 2: I have no idea he's he's you know, he's like

958
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 2: a he's like diet speak in that sense.

959
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 3: All right, So let's get to making our own DraftKings lineup,

960
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:33,279
Speaker 3: and we do it every week here on the pod,

961
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: and we go back and forth and pick our guys.

962
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:39,640
Speaker 1: So I want to be a DFS millionaire. You're just

963
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: one lineup away.

964
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 3: We're gonna go with him, and you're gonna play better

965
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 3: than you ever dreamed of.

966
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: God damn it, that's what I.

967
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 3: Have, marin of you.

968
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: So let's get drafting.

969
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 3: I will let you justin have the honors and you're

970
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 3: up first. You can spend as much or as little

971
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: money as you would like, and I won't be offended

972
00:43:59,120 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 3: either way.

973
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna go with the guy who won. In

974
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: his last start, it was on the European Tour he

975
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: finished runner up to Phil Michelson here two years ago.

976
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 2: I'm going with Paul Casey. I think that he's got

977
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 2: a pretty good track record here. He gained nearly seventeen

978
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: strokes Tita Green at Dubai five more than any other player.

979
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 2: That's so well he hit the golf ball. He was

980
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,640
Speaker 2: second in the field. Strokes can't approach in Dubai. I

981
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 2: like him a lot this week. I think he's a

982
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 2: really solid anchor to have.

983
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: On this on the team. That's a nice one. I

984
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: think Paul Casey's got a very high floor. If nothing else.

985
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 3: This week, I also remember Paul Casey telling me a

986
00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:36,760
Speaker 3: story about how when he had first gotten on tour,

987
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 3: he somehow got in a practice round with Phil and

988
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: they were standing on the seventh t at pebble of course,

989
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 3: the one hundred and three yard hold or whatever it is,

990
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: and he said, hey, Phil, I bet I could throw

991
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,479
Speaker 3: it onto the green from here. He feels like no way.

992
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 3: He goes, how much you want to bet? And they

993
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 3: bet something. You know, he said, it wasn't a crazy

994
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: amount for a philled kind of money. It wasn't like

995
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 3: crazy money. But he's a rookie on tour. He hasn't

996
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: that much money, and he's like, man, i'd better be

997
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 3: able to do it there. I actually tried, but I

998
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 3: know I got a pretty good arm. Phil sitting there going, no,

999
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 3: you're from England, you don't. You don't never played football,

1000
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 3: never played baseball? You have arm like kick it on,

1001
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: kick it Yeah, And so Paul says, I just wound

1002
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: up and threw this thing and wouldn't you know it

1003
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 3: landed a foot from the hole. Not only did you

1004
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 3: throw out of the greed, he almost hasted and they still.

1005
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: Towing the golf club after throwing it as hard as

1006
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: he could with.

1007
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: No I believe he did say that his arm did

1008
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 3: hurt afterwards, but he was able to get it there.

1009
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 3: Paul's one of my favorite guys on tour, by the way,

1010
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 3: so I like that play. I go to go with

1011
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,719
Speaker 3: my favorite outright play. You made a great point that

1012
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:38,720
Speaker 3: in the cold weather, Jason days back is very possible

1013
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 3: to just seize up and he bags it. But the

1014
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 3: past history is too much to ignore. Top five finishes

1015
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 3: each of the last four years. The ball striking numbers

1016
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 3: were good last week, and so uh ninety five hundred. Hey,

1017
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 3: you spend money. I'm gonna spend money. That's how it

1018
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,399
Speaker 3: works around here, all right.

1019
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: I like it, Uh, throw it back to me. I'm

1020
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,880
Speaker 2: going to go back to my my call earlier, the

1021
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 2: long shot to win. The guy didn't make a bogie

1022
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: all week. At TBC Scottsdale, Andrew Putnam rattled off the numbers.

1023
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,400
Speaker 2: Why I like him playing really good golf. He's not

1024
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 2: a very long player. I think this is a week

1025
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: he can take advantage of some good form. I think

1026
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: there's some value there with Andrew Putnam. So I'll go with.

1027
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 3: Him, okay, seventy four hundred. I was on the fence,

1028
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 3: like I like my Varner call, but because he's only

1029
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 3: played this event once, he missed the cut last year,

1030
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,200
Speaker 3: and so I was kind of like, you know, I

1031
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 3: like him. I'm not totally sure, but you gave me

1032
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: sort of the pep talk that I needed on Harold Varner. So,

1033
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: knowing those numbers, knowing the ball striking stats, I am

1034
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 3: very bullish on Varner really for the whole season. I

1035
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 3: think he's gonna win at some point this season, but

1036
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 3: I will take a nice finish from him this week.

1037
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,919
Speaker 3: Seventy seven hundred on draftings, You're new here on the pod,

1038
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 3: so you can feel free to spend more than your

1039
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 3: share and I'll find something to scrape the bottom of

1040
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:53,799
Speaker 3: the barrel.

1041
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean I went seventy four hundred with Plutinam

1042
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 2: last time. Looking at the list, guys who I think

1043
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 2: might have value. You know what, I'm gonna throw you

1044
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 2: a bomb. This is my first time here. I don't

1045
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: want to be presumptuous, so I'm gonna go with a

1046
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,359
Speaker 2: veteran at seventy two hundred who won earlier this year.

1047
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: On the West Coast mentioned a little while ago, makes

1048
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: a ton of birdies on short courses. I'm gonna go with

1049
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: Stuart Sink. He's played, he's made three straight cuts. He's

1050
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,319
Speaker 2: got some good form. You know. I just like all

1051
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:20,400
Speaker 2: the metrics on these shorter courses. He's able to take

1052
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 2: advantage of an event like this here later in his career.

1053
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 3: You know what I just think this is. I mean,

1054
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: you and I have known each other for a long time.

1055
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: I want to start out on the right foot here

1056
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 3: on the pod, and I wants to enjoy each other's company.

1057
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: I wants to agree on some things. I don't want

1058
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: there to be any animosity between us. So I have

1059
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 3: seventy eight hundred left to spend and I'm gonna put

1060
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,120
Speaker 3: it on Peter Malnady. A right there we go.

1061
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: I see, let's go babes.

1062
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,800
Speaker 3: So there's a lot of ball casey Stuart's saying, Jason,

1063
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 3: Peter Malnady, Andrew Pudnam, Harold Varner the third. That's a

1064
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 3: solid lineup. I think that there's a way too in

1065
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 3: DFS this week get a pretty good differentiation from what

1066
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,520
Speaker 3: a lot of other people are doing. And so we

1067
00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 3: did that with and Peter Jennings always says, don't spend

1068
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,279
Speaker 3: all your money. If you want differentiate, don't spend it all.

1069
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 3: We spend it all. I still think we're differentiated enough.

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Speaker 2: I agree, I agree. I mean, I think this is

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Speaker 2: like we were talking about, this is one of those

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Speaker 2: weeks where it's just not a super strong field. The

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Speaker 2: name of the tournament has more prestige than like the

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Speaker 2: level of a field it gets every year. And maybe

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Speaker 2: that's because it's a pro am and even though we

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Speaker 2: don't have that set up this year, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think if you've got three rounds at Pebble Beach,

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Speaker 2: some of these guys who've got a little bit more

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Speaker 2: experience on that golf course, maybe it pays off. And

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Speaker 2: so a couple of our picks, whether it's Casey or

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Speaker 2: like Stuart Sink, a guy I like with some value

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Speaker 2: this week, you know, I think there's there's something to

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Speaker 2: be said for that.

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Speaker 3: I love it. We're gonna smash this and hopefully you'll

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Speaker 3: come back and continue being my podcast partner after this.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully I haven't pissed you off with my picks or

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Speaker 3: anything too much. So justin right, thanks so much. This

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Speaker 3: has been awesome. You're joining us also on the Gimme

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Speaker 3: starting this week Wednesday, eight thirty pm Eastern time, so

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Speaker 3: that'll be on all your social channels. You'll be able

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Speaker 3: to find on the Action Network and golf Bet in

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Speaker 3: so many other places. And this has been a blast.

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Speaker 3: I can't wait. Hopefully this is the continuation of a

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Speaker 3: long friendship and working relationship here, so really appreciate you

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Speaker 3: and great stuff today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah man, let's make some money, how about it.

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Speaker 3: I love that idea. Thanks to everyone for listening out there,

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Speaker 3: and you make some money too. Here's hoping you guys

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Speaker 3: hit the green. We're finished talking