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Speaker 2: let's get to the show. Good morning, everybody, Happy Monday.

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Speaker 2: We have an amazing show for everybody today. Ryan, we

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Speaker 2: have you sitting in for Crystal. Thank you very much

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Speaker 2: for joining us, sir.

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Speaker 4: It's my pleasure to be here. I would never miss

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Speaker 4: a Bro show.

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Speaker 3: Yes, the Bro shows. The people are loving the broch got.

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Speaker 2: We got some very very ambitious crossovers. Some are saying

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Speaker 2: the most ambitious crossovers in the history of the Breaking

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Speaker 2: Points universe happening this week. Why are these crossovers happening? Well,

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Speaker 2: our very own Crystal Ball. I wanted to say congratulations

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Speaker 2: to her. She had a beautiful wedding on Saturday to

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Speaker 2: Kyle Kolinsky, and we put together a little photo collage

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Speaker 2: we can exclusively share here. It's kind of like People magazine,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and put these up the screen, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: These were curated by Crystal herself everybody, so don't worry.

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Speaker 2: I did check with the bride before we were able

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Speaker 2: to share these.

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Speaker 3: Just absolutely stunning.

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Speaker 4: Having the paparazzi out there paying off.

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Speaker 2: Paparazzi aka me and our camera guys that we had

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Speaker 2: up there. I personally my favorite part, aside from the dress,

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Speaker 2: of course, ladies, you guys can go that, it was

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Speaker 2: the flowers. Crystal from people who don't know, is obsessed

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Speaker 2: with flowers and that was one of those things that

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Speaker 2: it was just like icing on the cake.

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Speaker 3: At the wedding. Kyle also looked great.

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Speaker 2: I personally, personally just my opinion, I like the hair

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Speaker 2: better this.

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Speaker 4: Way was all but all about the flowers too.

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Speaker 5: She's very discerning too, so whenever she throws out a compliment,

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Speaker 5: it's like, really right, Oh, that's like flowers.

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Speaker 4: Are right now.

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Speaker 3: My fiance is like, hey, now we need to have

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Speaker 3: nice flowers. I'm like, yeah, hold on second, we'll talk

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Speaker 3: about it anyway.

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Speaker 2: So we just wanted to say from from our from

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Speaker 2: our whole team over here at breaking points, from behind

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Speaker 2: the scenes, and in front of the camera. How much

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Speaker 2: we are so happy we are for Crystal and she's

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Speaker 2: gonna have a great honeymoon. Kyle should be back in

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Speaker 2: the chair next week. We love her and we miss

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Speaker 2: her very much. I already do, to be honest.

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Speaker 3: So it was. It was a beautiful ceremony.

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Speaker 2: Also, shout out to mary Anne Williams and I will

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Speaker 2: say this, the best vows at a wedding ceremony I

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Speaker 2: have ever heard, the absolute best.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Anyway, Yeah, she's quite the MC.

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Speaker 2: She's very much so, so I'm taking notes. Everybody else

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Speaker 2: should as well. Mary Anne told me that apparently her

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Speaker 2: vows are available in one of her books, So this

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Speaker 2: is not.

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Speaker 3: This is me saying it. Go check them out. I'm serious.

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Speaker 2: If you have a wedding ceremony or whatever coming up,

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Speaker 2: very much worth possibly incorporating. Anyways, once again, everybody leave

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Speaker 2: a comment, Premium describers and everybody congratulate, congratulations very much

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Speaker 2: to Crystal. We will miss her very much dearly. Okay,

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Speaker 2: let's go ahead and get to the show. We got

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Speaker 2: a lot of fun stuff. First of all, I may

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Speaker 2: an unexpected cameo in the Trump deposition, so we'll.

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Speaker 3: Break that down for you to start that off.

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Speaker 2: Biden also stunning a new poll coming out which is

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Speaker 2: honestly humiliating for him, showing him losing to Trump. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we wanted to talk a little bit about that terrible

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Speaker 2: well we all agree I got to do something about this, right,

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Speaker 2: but like, what is it and what can be done?

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Speaker 2: I think you guys will enjoy it because it's going

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Speaker 2: those who don't know, I interviewed Trump back in twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 2: who you might know, famous actress, had accused Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: looked at each other we were like, yeah, totally, We're like,

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Speaker 3: Not going to ask about that. And then so what

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Speaker 2: Obviously, well we were like, uh huh, absolutely, let's just

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Speaker 2: so tried and true reporter tactic, as you know, Ryan,

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Speaker 2: then you've already asked everything else.

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Speaker 3: Yes, say you want.

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Speaker 2: So we can notice that his team's kind of wrapping

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Speaker 2: to an end. I looked at Jordan and we're like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's go. So we ask him about the Egene Carroll thing,

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Speaker 2: Now though Egen Carroll's actually suing him in a civil

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Speaker 2: a little bit later. During Ryan's monologue. However, my Name

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Speaker 2: ex wife Marla Maple and mistakes her for Egen Carrol

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Speaker 2: after saying she's not my type. So we put together

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: You have in front of you, sir, a document five

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Speaker 7: page documents. The first page says an in bold type

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Speaker 7: exclusive Trump vehemently denies Egan Carrol allegation, says she's not

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Speaker 7: my type. It's from a publication Knows the Hill. It

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Speaker 7: stated June twenty fourth, twenty nineteen, and it's attributed to

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Speaker 7: It's attributed to two people, Jordan Fabian and Cigar and

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, so maybe not the gentleman.

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Speaker 4: I guess that's so good.

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Speaker 2: So whether I'm a gentleman or not is up for

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Speaker 3: Before we get to the Marlon Maples thing.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well, my favorite thing about journalism really is these

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Speaker 4: But on the other hand, yeah, I played a role

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Speaker 3: It's very small.

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Speaker 5: If I don't ask him about this, he doesn't make

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Speaker 5: and then it winds up and I was like, sorry,

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Speaker 8: I don't even know who the woman. Let's see, I

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Speaker 8: don't know who. It's Marla.

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Speaker 3: You said, Marl's in this photo.

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Speaker 8: That's Marla. Yeah, that's that's my wife.

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Speaker 7: Which woman are you pointing to?

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Speaker 7: Carroll point and the person the woman on the right

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Speaker 8: I don't know this was the picture. I assume that's

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Speaker 8: John Johnson. Is that because it's very blurry.

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Speaker 2: So he confuses Marla Maples with his sorry Egen Carroll,

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Speaker 2: the woman who was accusing him of rape, and who

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Speaker 2: with his ex Wifela Maples, after saying quote, she's not

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Speaker 5: I've never seen anybody's credibility undermine more thoroughly than that.

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Speaker 3: It's very, very hard to get caught in.

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Speaker 5: A not my type sign of lie until you then say, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 5: that's that's my wife.

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Speaker 2: But then he's like, it's very blurry. So there are

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Speaker 2: several options. A. Possibly she is his type. Look as

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Speaker 2: the accusation itself, who the hell knows, having like nineteen

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Speaker 2: reied Hoffman. Trump is actually not even mounting in defense.

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Speaker 2: He's basically like, this entire thing at BS and I'm

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Speaker 3: He was forced and eventually to testify.

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Speaker 5: From my perspective, as far as allegations go, like she

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Speaker 5: And I think he has to be the least popular

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Speaker 5: Normally, it's like Jimmy Carter unpopular president. A lot of

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Speaker 5: Unpopular and the party leader's like, you know what, he

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Speaker 3: They just are heading the sand confident.

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Speaker 5: You know what, Biden's got this and therefore there can

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Speaker 5: There's not even the remotest kind of talk of that.

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Speaker 5: When we'll talk about Simone Sanders, that's space most response.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately, though, is that this is still manifesting and

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Speaker 2: Well for Biden, it's only thirty two percent. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Yes, and there's some of them I can't even watch,

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Speaker 5: And the problem for Biden here is that everyone in

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Speaker 5: And this is not something that anybody had to go

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Speaker 3: This is it. Right now?

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Speaker 2: What did we all learn in twenty twenty two? Polls

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Speaker 2: The steel just got crushed all across the country. Roe

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and a lot of progressives looked at this poll

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Speaker 3: Yes, it was overweighted in this one particular.

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Speaker 5: was being of all adults rather than either registered voters

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Speaker 5: or likely voters. But there's cross tabs inside it that

443
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Speaker 5: are for registered voters, and it's not much better for

444
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Speaker 5: Biden in there, like by a hair, it's slightly better.

445
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Speaker 5: And they pulled over a thousand adults, so you're going

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Speaker 5: to have a sample size of plenty.

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Speaker 4: Of registered voter.

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Speaker 5: So you know the fact that the kind of first

449
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Speaker 5: justification or defense of the poll from progressives kind of

450
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Speaker 5: fell apart as soon as you kind of looked closer

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Speaker 5: to the poll.

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Speaker 4: Now, like you said, it's just one poll.

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Speaker 5: Nobody should change their mind about an election that's eighteen

454
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Speaker 5: months away based on one poll. But nobody should think

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Speaker 5: that this is going to be the slam dunk that

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Speaker 5: it's going to be. I think the reason that Democrats

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Speaker 5: have that confidence that I was talking about earlier is

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Speaker 5: that basically every time Biden's been on the ballot since

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Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, sorry, Trump has been on the ballot since

460
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Speaker 5: twenty sixteen, he's gotten hammered twenty eighteen, twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 5: then again in twenty twenty two when they were able

462
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Speaker 5: to kind of nationalize the election around Trump by rating

463
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Speaker 5: mar A Lago and getting him in as like the boogeyman.

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Speaker 4: That would get Democrats out of the vote.

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Speaker 5: So that's three elections in a row where Democrats have

466
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Speaker 5: felt like Trump was on the ballot and they were

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Speaker 5: able to bring out enough turn out and beat him,

468
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Speaker 5: so that they really are thinking, like, that's that's we're

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Speaker 5: going to be again.

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Speaker 3: Listen, it's a good case. It's certainly possible.

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Speaker 2: The whole point is is like possibility does not equal eventuality.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's like, and the probability is so

473
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Speaker 2: high or of Trump being able to win that you

474
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Speaker 2: really just need to make you need to make your

475
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Speaker 2: peace with that and then try and fight a contested election.

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Speaker 3: Put the next one that is up there on the screen.

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Speaker 3: This is just the general right up.

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Speaker 2: Really, what they say is just that Biden faces broad

479
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Speaker 2: negative ratings at the start of the campaign. Now all

480
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Speaker 2: of this can be solved. Don't get us wrong. There

481
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Speaker 2: are lots of things could happen. Eighteen months from now.

482
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Speaker 2: The war in Ukraine could be over. You know, gas

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Speaker 2: prices could be back at like two point fifty. I

484
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Speaker 2: think people are going to be being like COVID. Who

485
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Speaker 2: the economy could? You know? The Fed seems to be pausing.

486
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Speaker 2: Maybe the economy will get back. Who knows the other

487
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Speaker 2: Here's the other option. The war in Ukraine is a

488
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Speaker 2: horrific disaster. It's finally spiking gas back up to five.

489
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Speaker 2: There's a recession because we have more supply. Both of

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Speaker 2: those cases are easy ones where you could see things

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Speaker 2: changing completely. So this is in no way saying that

492
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Speaker 2: this is going to predict the results. It's only that

493
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Speaker 2: he faces a real problem, and if I were him,

494
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Speaker 2: I would be doing everything possible to try and work

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Speaker 2: myself out of this problem. But that's the one thing

496
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Speaker 2: I know also that Joe Biden refuses to do. It

497
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Speaker 2: barely works, It works for four hours a day.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, your gas price point is key because who controls

499
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Speaker 5: gas prices and put in an MBS, Yeah, and so

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Speaker 5: MBS every single time he's been asked by Trump has

501
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Speaker 5: done what is beneficial to Trump? So expect gas prices

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Speaker 5: I think next summer to go back up to four

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Speaker 5: dollars a gallon, with MBS restricting.

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Speaker 4: It so that he can get Bien now there.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing that they have this incredible economy right now,

506
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Speaker 5: lowesst unemployment rate in like fifty years, lowest black unemployment

507
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Speaker 5: rate in history, down to three point four percent for

508
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Speaker 5: the overall uneployed rate, where wages rising at four point

509
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Speaker 5: four percent, while inflation is cooling. Yet if you talk

510
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Speaker 5: to a lot of voters, I'll say, what has Biden

511
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Speaker 5: done for me? And I think it goes back to

512
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Speaker 5: his failure to increase the minimum wage. That's not just

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Speaker 5: beneficial to millions of people around the country, but it

514
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Speaker 5: would be a symbol that he could point to, like

515
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Speaker 5: what did I do?

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Speaker 4: I raised the minimum wage? And they fought you on that,

517
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Speaker 4: and they.

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Speaker 5: Had a chance to do that, they had a chance

519
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Speaker 5: to put it in the American Rescue Plan, but oh gee,

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Speaker 5: the parliamentarian got to respect the parliamentarian.

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Speaker 4: And so because of that he can say.

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Speaker 5: Okay, unemployments down. But then people say, okay, well, unemployments down.

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Speaker 5: How much credit do you get for that? And also

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Speaker 5: inflation is up, so I'm not so excited about the

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Speaker 5: jobs market because I'm still nervous about inflation.

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Speaker 4: If he had something to.

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Speaker 5: Point to, like I raised the wage, I agree with you,

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Speaker 5: that would be just a knockout blog.

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Speaker 2: Right instead of well, I'm going to make sure that

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Speaker 2: they don't take control so that they might not pass

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Speaker 2: this unpopular thing on abortion.

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Speaker 3: Although listen, it has worked, as we.

533
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Speaker 2: Have found out for a Democratic of gubernatorial candidates like Greshen,

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Speaker 2: Whitmer and others.

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Speaker 3: You can do a terrible job, you can still get

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Speaker 3: re elected.

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Speaker 2: So you know, it's like, don't put that outside of

538
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Speaker 2: very very easy.

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Speaker 3: Now let's go to the next one.

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Speaker 2: Here, just a mask off moment on MSNBC, which I

541
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Speaker 2: just love, you know, in terms of the whole Biden

542
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Speaker 2: propaganda nature of this, not only do they hire the

543
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Speaker 2: express secretary, now they have the first started by hiring

544
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Speaker 2: Kamala's ex operative Simone Sanders. She goes on Morning Joe's

545
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Speaker 2: MSNBC and says, definitively, there will not be a single

546
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Speaker 2: Democratic debate.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen to what she said.

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Speaker 9: Bobby Kennedy Jr. Doing well, he's at nineteen percent, hasn't

549
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Speaker 9: really gotten that much out there. I mean, it's and

550
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Speaker 9: I'm starting to hear more and more talk about him.

551
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Speaker 9: Are we going to actually have a challenge here?

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Speaker 3: I'm trying not to laugh. Yet they're not willing to.

553
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Speaker 3: Can can I sep you first sight?

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Speaker 9: Do you know how many people said the same thing

555
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Speaker 9: about Donald Trump in twenty fifteen?

556
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Speaker 3: Yes, the same exactly, Yeah, because.

557
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Speaker 6: There was going to be a Republican primary. But I

558
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Speaker 6: really think that the meeting of Democrats is I like

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Speaker 6: to call them and some of my progressive friends who

560
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Speaker 6: would like to live in a fantasy land, they need

561
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Speaker 6: to come back to reality.

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Speaker 3: And the reality is this.

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Speaker 6: The sitting president of the United States of America is

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Speaker 6: a Democrat, a Democrat that would like to run for

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Speaker 6: re elections, so much so that he has declared a

566
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Speaker 6: re election campaign. In that case, the Democratic National Committee

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Speaker 6: will not facilitate the primary process. There will be no

568
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Speaker 6: debate stage for Bobby Kennedy, Marian Williams, or anyone else.

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Speaker 9: We're going to have another joining in an empty chair

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Speaker 9: in the debate, right.

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Speaker 4: There will be no debating debate.

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Speaker 6: The Democratic National Committee administers the debates, and they're not

573
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Speaker 6: going to set up a primary process for debates too,

574
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Speaker 6: for someone to challenge the head of the Democratic Party.

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Speaker 2: As you point out, and I have as well. I

576
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Speaker 2: literally have the RFK book right behind me. It's not

577
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Speaker 2: like there wasn't precedent for this in history. RFK says,

578
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Speaker 2: we need to save the Democratic Party from LBJ Vietnam.

579
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Speaker 2: The country is a disaster. Richard Nixon is going to

580
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Speaker 2: win if I don't do this comes in. You know,

581
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Speaker 2: obviously it was tragically his life was cut short. Who

582
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Speaker 2: knows how that happened. That's a question another day.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. We will ask you to believe, we will

584
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Speaker 3: ask honestly.

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Speaker 2: He's raising some good questions anyway, So we put that

586
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Speaker 2: to the side. Then we have literally the primary process

587
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Speaker 2: facilitated as I understand it, Ryan by the DNC in

588
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty whenever Ted Kennedy decided to challenge Jimmy Carter.

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Speaker 2: And as I've pointed out here before on the show,

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Speaker 2: I'm curious what your read on it is.

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Speaker 3: I think Carter was a doomed candidate no matter what

592
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Speaker 3: that said.

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Speaker 2: I think he probably did a better job in the

594
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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty presidential election against Reagan because he had to

595
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Speaker 2: challenge and defend his beliefs against Ted Kennedy by definitively

596
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Speaker 2: winning the primary, he maintains that it made him weaker.

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Speaker 2: I think he was weak no matter what going into

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Speaker 2: that election, but Ted Kennedy's challenge towards him made him

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Speaker 2: affirmatively have to make the case to his base and

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Speaker 2: to Americans about why he should keep the standard bearer

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Speaker 2: of his party.

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Speaker 3: So what's your take.

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Speaker 5: I think there's two separate questions when it comes to

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Speaker 5: Kennedy's influence on Carter's re election. One is the actual

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Speaker 5: primary itself, and then second is Kennedy's role after the

606
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Speaker 5: primary in the general election. And I think you're right

607
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Speaker 5: that Carter was made stronger by by that challenge, by

608
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Speaker 5: having to rise to the occasion there and.

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Speaker 4: Make the case for himself.

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Speaker 5: But then Kennedy by kind of basically not endorsing him

611
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Speaker 5: and not bringing his coalition in behind him, he's very

612
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Speaker 5: sort of endorsed him, but like cold, he gave that

613
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Speaker 5: sty dramatic and he gave this like tear jerking speech

614
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Speaker 5: at the convention where it's like the the you know,

615
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Speaker 5: the you know this guy killed all the puppies, but

616
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Speaker 5: the dream will never die, Like, so vote for the

617
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Speaker 5: dream killer, yes, because one day in the future the

618
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Speaker 5: dream will rise again. It was like a brutal like

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Speaker 5: you couldn't watch Kennedy's acceptance speech and come away if

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Speaker 5: you're a Kennedy's supporter anything but hating Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: Carter, Like how could you kill this wonderful man in

622
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Speaker 3: his movement?

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Speaker 5: So if he had, and this is you'll hear the

624
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Speaker 5: exact same thing from Hillary Clinton that it wasn't necessarily

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Speaker 5: the Bernie Sanders primary.

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Speaker 4: It was the fact that instead.

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Speaker 5: Of dropping out in March April May like he did

628
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Speaker 5: when he endorsed Biden, he didn't drop out until the

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Speaker 5: convention and very you know, they will say he like

630
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Speaker 5: only luke warmly endorsed. I think that part is BS,

631
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Speaker 5: but you do. I think Bernie has internalized that. And

632
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Speaker 5: if you watch how he comported himself in twenty twenty ye,

633
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Speaker 5: soon as he dropped out, instantly was like, I'm supporting

634
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Speaker 5: Joe Biden.

635
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Speaker 4: And he writes in his book that he didn't want

636
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Speaker 4: to be.

637
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Speaker 5: Blamed and we didn't want to do anything that could

638
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Speaker 5: be interpreted as undermining Biden. So if you have a

639
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 5: primary that then results in the parties coming together, then

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Speaker 5: I think it is beneficial to the party. But if

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Speaker 5: you have a primary where the winner is kind of

642
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Speaker 5: a jerk to the loser and the loser is like, well,

643
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Speaker 5: then screw you, then it does I think hobble you

644
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Speaker 5: going into the general election.

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Speaker 4: That's my take on it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's fair, But there's no evidence that you know,

647
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Speaker 2: Bobby Kennedy or Mary Anne would even do that.

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Speaker 3: By the way, even if they did, I mean they don't.

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Speaker 2: You don't owe it to anyone, right, it's like to

650
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Speaker 2: endorse them they ultimately to be fair.

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Speaker 3: Also to Kennedy, it's not like Carter was all that

652
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Speaker 3: nice to.

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Speaker 4: Him, Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 3: It was a huge prick exactly.

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Speaker 5: And egos get so deeply involved this, Like Carter needed

656
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Speaker 5: to Carter didn't do what he needed to do to

657
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Speaker 5: pull Kennedy in. Everybody's got responsibilities and duties and obligations

658
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Speaker 5: and nobody met them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And if anyone's interested, I read Jonathan Alter's biography

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Speaker 2: of Jimmy Carter is actually fascinating.

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Speaker 3: It's called his very best. Highly recommend it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not usually a figure you would spend eight hundred

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Speaker 2: pages on, but you learn a lot about the guy

664
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Speaker 2: our only engineering president, which you know is actually kind

665
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Speaker 2: of revealing if you asked me. Let's go to the

666
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,320
Speaker 2: next one here. Very interesting what happened with the Proud Boys.

667
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 2: You wanted to make sure that we got into the

668
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 2: verdict that came down, which genuinely is historic, as we

669
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Speaker 2: had laid out here previously, both on the Oath Keepers

670
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: and on the Proud Boys, who were charged with seditious conspiracy.

671
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 2: Seditious conspiracy is a very very difficult charge to prove.

672
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: The last time that the FBI had brought that case

673
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Speaker 2: in it's like a domestic terrorism incident in the two thousands,

674
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Speaker 2: they actually lost quite handily. So Chrystal and I were

675
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: very skeptical that the jury was going to be able

676
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 2: to find these claims credible. Ultimately, though the FBI and

677
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 2: the DOJ, the Biden Justice Department prevailed in this case.

678
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: I think it's worth spending a little bit of time

679
00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: on one happened there. So let's gohead and put this

680
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. This is the release from

681
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice. They say that during the district

682
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: returned guilty verdicts multiple felonies against five members of the

683
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 2: Proud Boys, finding four of the defendants guilty of seditious

684
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: conspiracy for their actions before and during the breach of

685
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 2: the US Capitol on January sixth. Here was the case,

686
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Speaker 2: basically that the DOJ laid out. The defendants plotted to

687
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 2: oppose by force the lawful transfer of presidential power to

688
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: prevent members of Congress and the federal law enforcement officers

689
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 2: to help protect them from discharge their duties. One of

690
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: them in Rico Tario, Or of Miami, the former chairman

691
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: of the Proud Boys.

692
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Speaker 3: They list the rest of.

693
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Speaker 2: The defendants were guilty then of seditious conspiracy and the

694
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Speaker 2: obstruct conspiracy to obstruct in official proceeding. Now, I think

695
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 2: it's interesting, Ryan, and I know that you have some

696
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 2: background on this about the way that the seditious conspiracy

697
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 2: charge was proven. A lot of it rests on text

698
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: messages that were actually sent by Tario to the rest

699
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: of the Proud Boys about what they were entering in

700
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Speaker 2: Now around the jury and the way that they arrived

701
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: at this. There was actually a fascinating interview with the

702
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: jury members in vice and one of them flagged to me,

703
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:45,760
Speaker 2: now I'm not questioning the jury.

704
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,320
Speaker 3: I'm literally just using their own.

705
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: Words about how they ended up at this charge to

706
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: put us up there on the screen, they say, what

707
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Speaker 2: evidence convinced you that the Proud Boys had entered into

708
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 2: conspicuous and seditious conspiracy. Here is exactly what they said verbatim.

709
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Speaker 2: It was all the all the chats, parlor telegram, not

710
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: just the chats but also the private text. I think

711
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 2: what it boiled down to what they had to say

712
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: prior to jan six, and the fact that they had

713
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: something wanted to do something in secret, and that's why

714
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Speaker 2: the government couldn't present too much evidence that they had

715
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Speaker 2: already deleted because it was unrecoverable.

716
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Speaker 3: So they didn't definitely want people to know.

717
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 2: They didn't want everybody to know the plan the Proud

718
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 2: Boys because then I guess it would have gotten out,

719
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Speaker 2: and they didn't want it to get out.

720
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Speaker 3: What did you make of this? Ryan?

721
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Speaker 2: A lot of people who are civil libertarians and picked

722
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 2: up on this to say, well, you're basically saying that

723
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Speaker 2: the absence of evidence is the evidence of absence. Donald

724
00:32:34,040 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 2: Rumse quote see what I'm going for there, and convicted

725
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: them on statistics conspiracy based on this that they were

726
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 2: trying to cover it up. Obviously, it doesn't make it

727
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 2: look good, but it also isn't necessarily the direct evidence,

728
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,479
Speaker 2: at least in the way that many civil libertarians are

729
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 2: looking at it for why this should have been charged.

730
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 2: Once again, the jury can do what it likes, and

731
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: it didn't reach this decision. We're just here talking about it.

732
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Speaker 2: It's a deeply, deeply disturbing rationale. Yeah, to say that, well, if.

733
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Speaker 5: You were trying to maintain your privacy, that there must

734
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Speaker 5: be some reason like that.

735
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Speaker 6: Is that.

736
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Speaker 3: That's why I was worried about it.

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Speaker 5: It's so antithetical to American values. But I think what

738
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Speaker 5: you also saw later in that interview is this clash

739
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 5: of two American values. One was the sanctity of the

740
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,800
Speaker 5: free elections and the peaceful transfer of power. And she

741
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 5: says in that interview, we wanted to send a message

742
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Speaker 5: that this is not okay, that if you do this,

743
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Speaker 5: you'll be punished, to that nobody in the future ever

744
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Speaker 5: does that. And they were willing to bend that fundamental

745
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 5: kind of bedrock American principle that the government has to

746
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,959
Speaker 5: present evidence beyond a reasonable doubt, beyond a reasonable doubt

747
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 5: and that juries in the past have been have been

748
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 5: proud to say, we're conflicted about say this not guilty verdict,

749
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Speaker 5: But it is the responsibility of us as citizens to

750
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Speaker 5: force the government to bring forward evidence even if we

751
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 5: feel like in our guts the person is guilty, they

752
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 5: didn't make they didn't make the case, and so therefore

753
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 5: we're going to rule this person not guilty because that's

754
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 5: how our American system of criminal justice works. And here

755
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 5: they kind of, according to her, are discarding that and saying, well,

756
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 5: they probably did it. And the fact that they deleted

757
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 5: all these messages suggests to us very strongly.

758
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Speaker 4: That they did it.

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Speaker 5: And it's more important for us to air on the

760
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Speaker 5: side of punishing them so that nobody tries to bust

761
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Speaker 5: up an election again.

762
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Speaker 2: And I don't want people to accuse us of cherry

763
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Speaker 2: piking this interview. She literally said this. They said, did

764
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Speaker 2: it matter that there were significant amounts of messages deleted quote,

765
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Speaker 2: It showed an absence of evidence of standing down. No

766
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Speaker 2: one says, no, don't do this, We're not going to

767
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Speaker 2: do this. There was none of that, and that was

768
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Speaker 2: probably because they never said it. The things that were

769
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Speaker 2: affirming that were going to be violent. They just kind

770
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Speaker 2: of let it happen. They point to one of the

771
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Speaker 2: defendants was actually acquitted on conspiracy and they ask for

772
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 2: the difference, and they say, well, he wasn't in leadership

773
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Speaker 2: and he only joined the Proud Boys in November or

774
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Speaker 2: December of twenty twenty, so we didn't have a whole

775
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: lot time pre January sixth. They have different tiers that

776
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Speaker 2: they were talking about. We actually deadlocked on one of

777
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: the defendants at first got through that and said not guilty.

778
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Speaker 2: Another factor was that he wasn't the brightest bulb on

779
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: the porch. It may not have been bright enough to

780
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: really know about the plan. So I said, well, poor guy,

781
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 2: he should have listened to his father in law who

782
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 2: told him don't go. Pretty much everybody should listened to

783
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: their father in law or anybody else had told them

784
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,919
Speaker 2: not to go. Because now these guys are facing some serious,

785
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 2: serious jail time, and let's go ahead and put this

786
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: up there on the screen. The Associated Press actually did

787
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 2: a decent explainer here, and again I want to just

788
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 2: reiterate why are we spending time on the conspiracy charge?

789
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 2: This is one of the rarest charges and very very

790
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 2: tough ones for governments to be able to prove. I mean, historically,

791
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: most juries have rejected it in the past when the

792
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 2: US government brought this, even in cases of major domestic terrorism.

793
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: So just keep that in mind.

794
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 2: And the reason why is it was intended for basically

795
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 2: extremists and others like in the post Civil War era.

796
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: I mean, you can imagine the context of what happened.

797
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: What they associated press and all of that point out

798
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 2: is that this post Civil War war law was to

799
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 2: arrest Southerners who were still fighting the US government, very

800
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 2: rare in modern American history. What they basically said is

801
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: that they had to prove beyond a shadow of a

802
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 2: doubt that this was a conspiracy not just to storm

803
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: the Capitol, but explicitly to block the transfer of power

804
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: from Trump to Biden. Now, as I've pointed out prere previously,

805
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 2: outside of the recent January sixth cases, the previous ones

806
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: that were brought in government did and all came to

807
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 2: aquittical acquittals. That was in twenty twelve in against that

808
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 2: so called like Hate group because they said that prosecutors

809
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: relied at that time specifically only on hateful diet tribes

810
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: against the First Amendment and didn't actually prove, as required

811
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,399
Speaker 2: by the law, that they ever had detailed plans for rebellions.

812
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 2: And so the reason why we're spending time on the

813
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: detailed plans is that the detailed plans and their government's

814
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: ability to prove those detailed plans are at the heart

815
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: of a successful conspiracious conspiracy charge under the statute into

816
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 2: the US federal law.

817
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so often when you're debating the questions of

818
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 5: these of these political crimes, there is a crime that

819
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 5: underlies it where you don't even need this extra political

820
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 5: crime in there. So in other words, like did a

821
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 5: bunch of these guys Notreo because he was already underarrest, but.

822
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Speaker 2: Well and maybe maybe a FED yeah not maybe it

823
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: genuinely was a federal informat, which is kind of wild

824
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: because he still got convicted.

825
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Speaker 5: And anyway, right, what's the point of having all these

826
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 5: performance you can't stop this.

827
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Speaker 3: What's the point of being a FED if the FEDS

828
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:46,799
Speaker 3: is still going to charge?

829
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Speaker 5: There is also that Yeah, uh so these guys did

830
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 5: sack the capital, and they did do so with the

831
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 5: intents of blocking this transfer of power, like blocking this proceeding.

832
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 4: So you've got you've.

833
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: Got them on that charge serpiracy to obstruct, charge.

834
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Speaker 5: Him with that and lock him up for that, Like, great,

835
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 5: if you're going to then you know, pile on.

836
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 4: The extra political charges.

837
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 5: I feel like you really do need to have the

838
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 5: evidence to back that up. And if they deleted it

839
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,839
Speaker 5: before you could get it, then you know that's too

840
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 5: bad for the prosecutors. So there, and this is it's

841
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 5: so often the case that you already have like the

842
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 5: law in place that you need, but it's that people

843
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 5: just want more. And so like I forget where I

844
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 5: was reading this, but after John Brown rated Harper's ferry, yes,

845
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 5: that's right, Stephen Douglas, the Democratic Senator Lincoln Douglas debates

846
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 5: who said we need tougher laws, So you don't need

847
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 5: tougher laws.

848
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 4: He killed people.

849
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 5: You've got him like he led an insurrection. Now to me,

850
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 5: good for him, and he's a hero.

851
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: Well, the reason Stephen Douglass and all of them did

852
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: that is because Brown became a political symbol of rebellion

853
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: across the world. He like ignited the flame and all that,

854
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 2: and not only across the world, but obviously in the North.

855
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: Prior to that, the idea of armed rebellion or slavery

856
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: was basically unthinkable, and it also spawned. It was like

857
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: the it's kind of like people who pray for disaster.

858
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: The Southerners, they're called fire eaders at the time, people

859
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 2: who wanted to break away from the Union.

860
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:19,960
Speaker 3: They were like, Brown was.

861
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Speaker 2: Everything they could have imagined in their wildest dreams about

862
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 2: what the North really wanted.

863
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: To do to them. Yea.

864
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Speaker 5: And even Lincoln was like, look, we hanged the guy,

865
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Speaker 5: Yeah we can. He has some court with it. We

866
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 5: could hang him ten times, right, and they wouldn't be satisfied.

867
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Speaker 5: So Douglas is like, well, how about more laws, and

868
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 5: you can. It's the exact same political system, like that's

869
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 5: what happened to that you'd have people just proposing new

870
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Speaker 5: laws because hanging him once, you know, isn't enough to

871
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Speaker 5: satisfy that the table news punts of the time.

872
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Speaker 2: The reason why this is an important point is you

873
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: can't fix what happened on January sixth in the law.

874
00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 2: It's not a law question, it's a political question. It's

875
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: a question of political legitimacy. Of Biden, of Trump, of

876
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: Trump questioning the democratic process, of the democratic will of

877
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 2: the people and who they elect, and whether Republicans still

878
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: choose him as a leader, even post that these are

879
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: all cultural political questions that can only be resolved through

880
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: the democratic process. You cannot legal your way out of

881
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: John Brown of January.

882
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: I'm not comparing the two. They are not in any

883
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 3: way somewhere.

884
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is just that these big, you know,

885
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 2: events like this are not matters of we need new

886
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: laws to make sure this doesn't happen. By the way,

887
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 2: they did have new laws through the dread Scott decision

888
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: and all of that, or you know, and all of

889
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 2: the eventual political compromises that were made through law to

890
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: try and prevent the Civil War, and it didn't work

891
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: because it was.

892
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 3: Not a question of law. It was a question of human.

893
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 2: Dignity, of power, of slavery, and all of that that

894
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: eventually resulted in, you know, a clash of wills and

895
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 2: of arms that had to be where one side had

896
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 2: to be subjugated.

897
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 3: I hope we don't come to that. I pray that

898
00:40:53,840 --> 00:40:54,280
Speaker 3: we don't.

899
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,239
Speaker 2: But the point is that we can only solve this

900
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,080
Speaker 2: through means, you know, way way above the law, at

901
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 2: least just in my opinion.

902
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:04,320
Speaker 5: Right, And it's not as if John Brown. If Stephen

903
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 5: Douglas had written the Sedition Act before that would be like, well,

904
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 5: then I'm not going to go.

905
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:10,319
Speaker 3: For Harper's Ferriss. That's the thing too about Brown.

906
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: Brown actually rejected all the compromises you know that I'm

907
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: talking about. He thought that they were whims and that they,

908
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 2: you know, weren't you're.

909
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 4: Against there's no I mean, it's kind.

910
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: Of like that Luis c. K joke.

911
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, the abortion protesters, they think there's murder

912
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: going on in there.

913
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 3: He's like, what would you do if?

914
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: And I was like, you know, I think that actually

915
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,439
Speaker 2: coded for liberals. The way that many pro life people

916
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,560
Speaker 2: who I've met as well, the way they think about

917
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 2: this is it's always just important to get in the

918
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 2: mind of somebody that you don't understand as to why

919
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:42,280
Speaker 2: this matters now seditious conspiracy versus just the obstructing a government.

920
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 2: Preceding that a lot of the other Jan sixers have

921
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:47,320
Speaker 2: been convicted on. Let's put this up there on the screen.

922
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: The leader of the Oath Keepers is now facing possibly

923
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 2: twenty five years in federal prison. Stuart Rhodes was convicted

924
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 2: already of seditious conspiracy, where they were I think more

925
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 2: easily able to prove the detailed plot, although even there again,

926
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,239
Speaker 2: you know, it all comes back to whether it was

927
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: a genuine plot to actually stop the transfer of power

928
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 2: versus a riot, which is basically what the defense said

929
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 2: there at trial they painted him as a terrorist. Now

930
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 2: they are saying, quote that a harsh sentence is critical

931
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,240
Speaker 2: to deter political violence, and they said that what Rhodes

932
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 2: beliefs has done. They wrote that Rhodes believes he has

933
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 2: done nothing wrong and still presents a threat to American

934
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 2: democracy and to American lives should he not receive the

935
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 2: twenty five year sentence. So that's why again it's important,

936
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: is because you know sitious conspiracy. You I mean, theoretically

937
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: you could spend your life in prison after being convicted

938
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: of this charge.

939
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 5: Right, and in the old days you behave you would yeah,

940
00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 5: like you've come for the king.

941
00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: Its justice for that you come for the.

942
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 4: King and you miss yes.

943
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 5: So you know, a lot of me has not a

944
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 5: lot of sympathy because of that rationale that everybody knows

945
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 5: that if you come for the king and you miss

946
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,399
Speaker 5: or what are your best nonsense? And they missed yes,

947
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 5: So you know they aft around, and this is the fining,

948
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 5: this is the finding out period.

949
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 2: Usually it's just me quoting Omar from the wire here.

950
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: So it's good to have another wire guy here.

951
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 4: There you go.

952
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, and so, but these extremely long sentences, I think

953
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 5: we don't we don't realize how kind of out of

954
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 5: the kind of civilized world we've gotten. Up until the

955
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:24,919
Speaker 5: early part of the twentieth century, it was extremely rare

956
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 5: for people to get even ten year sentences. Now, some

957
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 5: of that was because you were much more likely to

958
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 5: get capital punishment for murder and then everything else underneath

959
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 5: that shorter sentences. You probably know this when when Stalin

960
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 5: moved from kind of typical ten year they call it

961
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 5: tenors ten year sentences to twenty five year sentences.

962
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 3: The entire globe was.

963
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 5: Shocked, like, you're giving twenty five year sentences out like

964
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 5: this is Barbara.

965
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:52,760
Speaker 3: That was during the purges in the nineteen right.

966
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this is not that long ago that the

967
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 5: entire world considered twenty five year sentences to be completely barbed.

968
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 3: The expectancy what lower that's true.

969
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 5: Those life sentences, Yeah, especially in the Rush at the time.

970
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 5: But now they're dropping twenty five year sentences all over

971
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 5: the place. So and a lot of people did a

972
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 5: lot less than him, serving more time.

973
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, that actually very true anyway, So keep that in

974
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: mind as we're thinking about this. There's always what we

975
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: always try to do here is bring you know, this

976
00:44:21,640 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 2: isn't there's no defense of the crowd was to be

977
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: saying the same thing or whatever if it was some

978
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: like the you know what was a good example is

979
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: the weathermen. You know, the weathermen bombers.

980
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 4: They don't need twenty five years.

981
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 2: You guys want to know why the weathermen didn't didn't

982
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 2: ever serve even though they literally bombed the Capitol. I

983
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 2: think people forget that, you know why, because the FBI

984
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: was illegally spying on them, and we easily could have

985
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,879
Speaker 2: convicted every single one of them for life, for even

986
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 2: for murder. In some cases, some of them were convicted,

987
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: but they weren't because j Edgar Hoover and others violated

988
00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 2: their civil liberties. And the determination was made because their

989
00:44:54,719 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: civil liberties were violated. Even though these people genuinely did

990
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: commit acts of domestic terrorism and wanted a violent insurrection

991
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 2: against the US government, that's still the principle had to

992
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: hold within US law. That civil liberties and violations by

993
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: the state shall not trump the ability to go after them.

994
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 3: Same with Elsberg. They would have gotten him right.

995
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: The only reason he got off is because the Nickson

996
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 2: administration spied on him.

997
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is incredible.

998
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: So always keep that in mind whenever we're thinking about

999
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: these things. Okay, let's go to the next one. Just

1000
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: such a tragic event happening on the New York City subway.

1001
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 3: Lots of discourse around this.

1002
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: Jordan Neely, he was a Michael Jackson impersonator at one time.

1003
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 2: There was an altercation on the subway. Now we don't

1004
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: know a lot of the details. There's conflicting things that

1005
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 2: are coming from the witnesses. What we do know is

1006
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 2: this mister Neely was very terribly mentally disturbed. He was

1007
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: a mentally ill person who was on the New York

1008
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,479
Speaker 2: City Subway who at some point lost his composure while

1009
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,840
Speaker 2: he was there, either asking for money or violently threatening passengers.

1010
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,879
Speaker 2: That's what some people are saying. Other people are saying

1011
00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 2: he didn't violently threaten. Eventually he was restrained by a

1012
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 2: man named Daniel Penny, who was on the New York

1013
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: City Subway. Penny maintains that he was protecting himself and

1014
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: others whenever he put miss Neely into a chokehold. Eventually

1015
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: he was held nearly not only by Daniel Penny, but

1016
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 2: by two other bystanders who were there as Neely was

1017
00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: trying to free himself after fifteen minutes of being held

1018
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 2: there and they were trying to alert police officers. He

1019
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 2: eventually died as a result, probably from restriction of his airway. So, anyway,

1020
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,400
Speaker 2: lots of discourse around self defense, should these mentally people

1021
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:35,359
Speaker 2: even be there? How exactly should we deal with this

1022
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,359
Speaker 2: in the future, And the overwhelming consensus I think Ryan

1023
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,680
Speaker 2: from a lot of outside of the self defense is like, okay,

1024
00:46:40,680 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 2: I think we can all agree it is menacing to

1025
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 2: have like mentally ill vagrance like all over cities. Then

1026
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: the question comes, it's dangerous. There's a woman here in Washington,

1027
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 2: d C. I forget her name, who was stabbed to

1028
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: death randomly. This is fairly or sorry has become fairly

1029
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:58,959
Speaker 2: noticeable basically.

1030
00:46:58,680 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: Across all urban areas.

1031
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: I've traveled basically all across the country in the last

1032
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: couple of years, and I've noticed from lot I mean,

1033
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:06,960
Speaker 2: I was still never forget personally skid Row skid rows

1034
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: who were probably the worst thing I have ever seen.

1035
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 3: I've been to.

1036
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: I have seen people missing limbs in Cambodia, street slums

1037
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 2: in Bombay, and I'm telling you, I really think skid

1038
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: row might be one of the most one of the

1039
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: saddest things I've ever seen, like a genuine human tragedy.

1040
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 2: But skid Row Los Angeles, San Francisco, of course is famous,

1041
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: but they're not the only ones. You know, go on

1042
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 2: down by the lake in Austin home there were homeless encampus,

1043
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 2: at least there for a time. Here in Washington. I'm

1044
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 2: sure you and I have noticed this. I've noticed it

1045
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 2: basically everywhere.

1046
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 4: So this is.

1047
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 2: Becoming a metropolitan problem generally for America. Whenever it comes

1048
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 2: to the question of mental health, the idea comes of

1049
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: we need more mental health resources. And the presumption for

1050
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 2: mister Neely was that there were no mental health resources.

1051
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 2: But here is the crazy part, and this is why

1052
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,840
Speaker 2: I think it's a discourse breaker. He was well known

1053
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: to New York City home advocate authorities. Put this up

1054
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 2: there on the screen. Not only had he been arrested

1055
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: over forty times and released, but outreach actually outreach workers

1056
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 2: in New York City said he was on the Top

1057
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 2: fifty list, which is a roster maintained by the city

1058
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 2: of homeless people who were living on the streets, whom

1059
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: officials consider most urgently in the need of assistance and

1060
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: of treatment. And the reason why I think this is

1061
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: a discourse breaker is that not only was he on

1062
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 2: the top fifty I guess worst you know, homeless people

1063
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 2: list or whatever for New York City, he was taken

1064
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 2: to hospitals numerous times, both voluntarily and involuntarily. So then

1065
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 2: the question comes to this, you have a person who's

1066
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 2: been arrested forty times or so, well known to police.

1067
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:50,399
Speaker 2: Now we can agree, you know, it's inhumane to throw

1068
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: mentally ill people in prison where they're obviously not going

1069
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 2: to be rehabilitated. So then it comes to the question of, well,

1070
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: how do mental health authorities rehabilitate or even frankly, just

1071
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: deal with people who are this mentally ill. But we

1072
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 2: have to balance that with civil liberties, with the fact

1073
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: is Neally is an American citizen. I've talked a lot

1074
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: here about part of my objection to some red flag

1075
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 2: laws is, you know, basically it's like a quasi depriving

1076
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 2: you of your constitutional right through a legalistic process where

1077
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:19,479
Speaker 2: you haven't actually done anything.

1078
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 3: You haven't actually committed a crime yet, and even when.

1079
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: You do commit crimes like we have, you know, sentences

1080
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: laid out and all of that for a reason.

1081
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 3: So I don't really know what to make of this.

1082
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 4: Ryan.

1083
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: It is clear here that mental he had mental health resources,

1084
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 2: and everyone's like, oh, we do need mental health. Look,

1085
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: I mean, if you're on a list and you've been

1086
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: arrested world the forty time, the city knows who you are,

1087
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 2: but they even involuntarily had committed him. And then it's

1088
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 2: a question of like, well, should we have post like

1089
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: lifetime involuntary commitment. That's the system we moved away from

1090
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:53,760
Speaker 2: in the nineteen eighties, you know, specifically to balance civil

1091
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 2: liberty concerns but also funding. And there's a lot of

1092
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 2: questions about that. So I don't know what to make

1093
00:49:58,280 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: of this. I'm curious.

1094
00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 5: And then the question is he's like what does the

1095
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 5: commitment look like? Because the Times writes about how nearly

1096
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Speaker 5: most of his arrests were the nuisance things that are

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Speaker 5: like associated with homelessness.

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Speaker 4: You're anything in public jumping.

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Speaker 3: The style which we've all seen if you have ever

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Speaker 3: been in yours.

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Speaker 5: But then there was one maybe a year or two

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Speaker 5: ago or so, where he punched a woman in the

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00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 5: face broker nose, caused a lot of damage to her,

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Speaker 5: was arrested, charged with a felony for this, and as

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Speaker 5: they worked out a plea deal where he would agree

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00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 5: to commit himself basically take his medication, enter into this

1107
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:39,640
Speaker 5: particular program trying to get his life back on track.

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00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 5: The judges, he and the judge and the prosecutor and

1109
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 5: defense turning, everybody works this out and he only lasted

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Speaker 5: a few days and he kind of slips out. So

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Speaker 5: then the question is what do you have to do

1112
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Speaker 5: when it comes to security at these mental healthes just

1113
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 5: because if you are and then are you in prison?

1114
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 5: Because like a hospital setting is not a prison. Yet

1115
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 5: he's he's committed to go to this setting. He needs,

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00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 5: you know, he needs it. He understands in his kind

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Speaker 5: of lucid moments that he needs it. Uh, and it

1118
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 5: is preferable to the alternative, which is the conviction for

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00:51:15,960 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 5: the felony and getting sent away to prison.

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Speaker 4: That's that doesn't help anybody.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 5: But then but then he just walks out and then

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Speaker 5: police encountered him multiple times. After the Times article is

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00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 5: really worth reading, I wrote, people.

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Speaker 3: Realise this is again we are not trying to get

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00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: into like.

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00:51:32,040 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 4: Oh, should should you defend people?

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00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:34,799
Speaker 3: When you're should you even be in.

1129
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: The situation where like, hey, everyone agrees we should have

1130
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 2: more resources, How do we balance resources with civil liberty concerns?

1131
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Speaker 3: I have no answer. I actually don't have an answer.

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00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. I could only look

1133
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 3: at this one and be like, wow, what a tragedy.

1134
00:51:47,560 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 5: Man and one Yeah, there were multiple failures where officers

1135
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 5: were called because he was at one time he's peeing

1136
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 5: in the Coney Island end of the subway, another time

1137
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 5: he was doing something else that brought cops out. And

1138
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,239
Speaker 5: none of those times were they able to link the

1139
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:05,759
Speaker 5: fact that he had this warrant.

1140
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 3: Out right well to the fact and ID, yeah, it's right,

1141
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 3: but they also know who he is like at this point, right.

1142
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 5: But it is interesting when you think about this top

1143
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 5: fifty list because as.

1144
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:20,840
Speaker 3: We know that in every universe, a very.

1145
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 5: Small number of people are responsible for a huge amount

1146
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 5: of things. That's actually comments on a YouTube page or

1147
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 5: whether you know exactly yeah.

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00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:35,359
Speaker 2: It reminded me of shoplifters in New York. I gotta

1149
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:39,239
Speaker 2: find this. Yes, a tiny number of shoplifters commit thousands

1150
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: of New York City steff So nearly one third of

1151
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: all shoplifting arrests in the city last year involved just

1152
00:52:45,360 --> 00:52:49,040
Speaker 2: three hundred and twenty seven people. That I think genuinely

1153
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 2: is a question of just lock them up, because I

1154
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 2: don't think that those people are Maybe they are mentally

1155
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe they have some like shoplifting disease,

1156
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: but that possibly could come to prosecutorial discretion. I'm curious

1157
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 2: what you think, I know, your criminal justice reform advocate,

1158
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: how do you deal with something like this?

1159
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:08,200
Speaker 5: So there was a rise in this idea of swift

1160
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 5: and certain punishment along with the criminal justice reform movement

1161
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 5: that I think is still getting implemented in some places,

1162
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,920
Speaker 5: but it lost a little favor in the kind of

1163
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 5: face of the rise of abolition, which runs counter to it.

1164
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 5: But basically, what swift and certain means is that too

1165
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 5: often people who are in the criminal justice system don't

1166
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 5: have any certainty about what their punishment is going to be,

1167
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 5: and they wait forever to find out what it's going

1168
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 5: to be And so if you get caught shoplifting, you

1169
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 5: may get no penalty at all. It might take five

1170
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 5: years for them to run you through the system, or

1171
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 5: you might wind up getting some weird judge.

1172
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 4: It gives you, like, you.

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00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 5: Know, three years if you're over like a felonious like

1174
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 5: level of theft. And they say, what that does to

1175
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,839
Speaker 5: people is that they then they just take their chances, yes,

1176
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 5: because I know the gamble at that point is to

1177
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,720
Speaker 5: not worry about the consequences. What swift and certain means

1178
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 5: is that if you commit the crime, or you violate

1179
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 5: probation or parole, the punishment is going to be like immediate,

1180
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 5: like you're doing a weekend. You're going and it's always

1181
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 5: going to happen. You don't have like there's no question

1182
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 5: about it. And so as you're thinking through your decision

1183
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 5: matrix that is in your mind, but it also then

1184
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 5: is much shorter, like the idea is like you're only

1185
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 5: going to do a weekend, And the idea is that

1186
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 5: people don't want to go to prison period. Now, some

1187
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:37,440
Speaker 5: people who are so far gone, like nearly who were

1188
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 5: like in the throes of a mental health crisis, like

1189
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Speaker 5: I don't care if they send me to rikers. I

1190
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,400
Speaker 5: don't like, I'm so miserable, so like out of it

1191
00:54:44,440 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 5: at this.

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Speaker 4: Point those there.

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Speaker 5: I think we deinstitutionalize our mental health a response in

1194
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 5: over the last like twenty years, and I think the

1195
00:54:55,800 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 5: pendulum swung so far that now there is really a gap.

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Speaker 5: Like if you have ever tried to get somebody into treatment,

1197
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,280
Speaker 5: what you'll find calling around is there just aren't beds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is the one where I have Again,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how to solve it because you're pointing

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00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: out a very important point about beds in hospital capacity.

1201
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,720
Speaker 2: Because we have an insane healthcare system, mental health beds

1202
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 2: are very limited.

1203
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Speaker 3: Do you want to know why.

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00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 2: There's no profit? There ain't no profit in mental health,

1205
00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 2: so we have.

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Speaker 4: They're uninsured people.

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Speaker 2: For the most part, we had tons of ICUs because

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00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: we can print money off people with ICU who are

1209
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 2: in the or like critical health or kidney disease, whatever,

1210
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 2: heart disease, any of that. Those are very very profitable industries,

1211
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 2: but there's basically no money recurring revenue, especially in mentally ills.

1212
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Speaker 2: So when the de institutionalization movement happened, we basically kicked

1213
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Speaker 2: it to a private quasi public private healthcare system which

1214
00:55:49,160 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: increased funding cuts. Obamacare has a role in this as well.

1215
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,480
Speaker 2: Even though people have coverage, the vast majority of people

1216
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 2: who need them don't have coverage. And then it comes

1217
00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,440
Speaker 2: a question of like Medicaid reimbursement, which the rate is

1218
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:02,719
Speaker 2: very low, so a lot of doctors don't want to

1219
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 2: be involved, so it gets kicked to this basically catch

1220
00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,520
Speaker 2: and release type program for a lot of mentally ill

1221
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 2: homeless people.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I mean, I don't know.

1223
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 2: I mean, I think about the institutionalization movement, and on

1224
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:17,239
Speaker 2: the one hand, obviously it had some benefits, like you know,

1225
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 2: people like Neely and all of those. It would be institutionalized,

1226
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 2: it would be health cared for by the state. Basically

1227
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 2: the public menace would be would be balanced with him

1228
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:29,560
Speaker 2: hopefully getting the best care possible in someone like with

1229
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: that condition.

1230
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 3: On the other hand, how many.

1231
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: Stories you read from the nineteen twenties and nineteen thirties

1232
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 2: of there like this woman.

1233
00:56:36,560 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 3: Wants a job, We got an institutionalizer, and you're like, wait,

1234
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 3: what what's happening here?

1235
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 2: You know, so she's got new fangled ideas about voting

1236
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:46,960
Speaker 2: this These are real stories. I'm not joking about the

1237
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,439
Speaker 2: way that the institutionalization was actually weaponized as a tool

1238
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 2: of political repression, so that actually I'm trying to think.

1239
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 2: It's like Sherman, we were just talking about the Civil War.

1240
00:56:56,960 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 2: William To comes to Sherman. They're like, he's lost his

1241
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: mind because the thought that the They're like, he's gone

1242
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 2: mad because he was like, no, this war is not

1243
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 2: going to be swift, It'll actually be very long and terrible.

1244
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 2: He literally thought he'd lost his mind as a result

1245
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 2: of that.

1246
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:11,880
Speaker 4: He's like, oh, make sure it's terrible.

1247
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1248
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 2: So the point is is that I don't know, you know,

1249
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 2: I don't know how you bounce those two things.

1250
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 3: I'm thinking though.

1251
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 2: Looking at this is probably got to get back to

1252
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 2: some level of institutionalization. I mean, I'm really at a

1253
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 2: point now where I've been taking the Schellenberger pill for

1254
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: people who and you don't like Shellenberger, but I do.

1255
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 4: I read.

1256
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 2: I think San Francisco, Sicico is the best possible policy

1257
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: solution yet that I have seen around this entire thing,

1258
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: which is we should acknowledge a couple of things.

1259
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: We have a mental health crisis.

1260
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: We have a mental health crisis, which is compounded by

1261
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,080
Speaker 2: drug use, specifically fentanyl, which is leading to mass death

1262
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 2: amongst a lot of people. The answer, in my opinion,

1263
00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 2: is that over criminalization clearly is not working.

1264
00:57:57,680 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 3: It's just not the answer.

1265
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 2: Also, though it is deeply inhumane to let people just

1266
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 2: get shoot up on the streets and two are raping

1267
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: and killing each other as a reference in skid Row,

1268
00:58:07,760 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 2: the answer has to be some level of effectively involuntary commitment.

1269
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 2: We're like, look, we're not going to lock you up,

1270
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: but you are going to rehab and you're going there

1271
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,880
Speaker 2: for a long time, and you it's basically the Portugal

1272
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: model of drugs are not legal, but try shooting up

1273
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 2: in a park and Lisbon.

1274
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 3: It's not going to happen.

1275
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: The cops are going to be like, all right, you're

1276
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 2: going to prison or you're going to rehab.

1277
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 3: You have no choice, and we have to. The way

1278
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 3: I've heard it described.

1279
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 2: Is you need paternalistic paternalistic libertarianism here where it's like

1280
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 2: you are free to do what you want within the

1281
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: bounds of not being a public menace. But once you

1282
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 2: cross that threshold, there are swift and clear consequences.

1283
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,960
Speaker 5: As you were saying, yeah, because you also have to

1284
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 5: realize that the people who are in those crisis situations

1285
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 5: are not They're not happy, they're not living meaningful. Oh god,

1286
00:58:56,920 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 5: nowt White Underbelloid channel. It's dangerous right to them, it's

1287
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 5: dangerous to others. Very and so yeah, I do think

1288
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 5: you like portrait. I think Portugal is a really interesting model.

1289
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 5: You know, to think about that, if you've gotten to

1290
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 5: a place where you're regularly basically out in out in public,

1291
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:20,000
Speaker 5: you probably have gone too far.

1292
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and are not in a place that is

1293
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,959
Speaker 3: making you contented either.

1294
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 2: No, yeah, I mean, I mean that that was really

1295
00:59:27,240 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 2: the saddest part. I recommend it. Just reference it. The

1296
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 2: soft White Underbelly channel. Mark Leida has done a fantastic

1297
00:59:32,280 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 2: job of I watched that and I was like, yeah,

1298
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,520
Speaker 2: this is not really like I'm like, to the extent

1299
00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: this is a mental health problem, like these people are

1300
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:39,960
Speaker 2: just drug addicts. Like, and I'm not saying that in

1301
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 2: a derogatory where I'm like, these people are hardcore drug addicts. Well,

1302
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 2: to which the more fascinating thing actually was listening to

1303
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: interviews of people who are diagnosed mentally ill and who

1304
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:53,880
Speaker 2: talk about how the drugs make it ten times worse.

1305
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 2: I listened to a guy with schizophrenia and he's like, yeah,

1306
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: whenever I'm not on drugs, i'm schizophrenia. It's like more

1307
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:03,280
Speaker 2: the hallucinations and the vivid like ideas in your head

1308
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,160
Speaker 2: are not as dangerous where he's like when you pair

1309
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 2: it with speed, He's like, it makes it literally made

1310
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,200
Speaker 2: me commit murder or not murder, like an assault. And

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Speaker 2: I was like, wow, Like, you know, the compounding nature

1312
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 2: of these two things is actually probably what produces the

1313
01:00:16,880 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 2: most dangerous people you know in society.

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Speaker 4: And people in those situations.

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Speaker 5: I'll say, it's not as if I can decide tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 5: Let's say you could kick your habit and determine that

1318
01:00:28,680 --> 01:00:30,919
Speaker 5: you are going to turn yourself around, get a job,

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01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 5: and get housing. It's not you can't get a job

1320
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 5: because of the record that you've racked up over the

1321
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 5: years and housing. People with jobs are having a hard

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01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 5: time getting housing.

1323
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Speaker 4: So unless we.

1324
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 3: Create an actual pathway for people.

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Speaker 5: Out of that situation that is credible to them, and

1326
01:00:47,800 --> 01:00:50,480
Speaker 5: because right now there isn't one, like you can't lie

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01:00:50,480 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 5: to them and claim that there's some way to turn

1328
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 5: this around.

1329
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,600
Speaker 4: Then to them, the rational.

1330
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 5: Thing is just to be stay in this cul de

1331
01:00:57,320 --> 01:00:58,080
Speaker 5: sack of misery.

1332
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 3: Look, I mean many of them.

1333
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, like you said, unfortunately are making the rational choice

1334
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 2: if you do want to support your drug addiction. It's

1335
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,480
Speaker 2: just you know, turned downtown Los Angeles not only into

1336
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:09,840
Speaker 2: a hell hole. And I don't mean it again in

1337
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 2: terms of like, well, you know, just get rid of

1338
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 2: all of them. I'm like watching this, I don't know

1339
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 2: that one really scarred me. I'll tell you I've seen

1340
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:19,240
Speaker 2: some bad stuff, and that one that is still one

1341
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 2: of the worst things I've ever seen. Let's talk a

1342
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: little bit about Hunter Biden. Let's go ahead and put

1343
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,919
Speaker 2: this up there on the screen. Prosecutors are currently near

1344
01:01:30,080 --> 01:01:34,080
Speaker 2: a charging decision in the Hunter Biden case. Now I

1345
01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,520
Speaker 2: find this a little bit of a ridiculous leak, Ryan,

1346
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 2: because it's like prosecutors are nearing making a decision.

1347
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:42,400
Speaker 3: It's like, well, make the decision.

1348
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 2: What's the decision, because the decision is the one that matters.

1349
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 3: Okay.

1350
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,720
Speaker 2: What has happened is that there was a pivotal meeting

1351
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 2: between the prosecutors and Hunter Biden's lawyers toward the end

1352
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,560
Speaker 2: of an investigation. Now people might forget what is the

1353
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 2: end of this investigation, We've heard a lot here about

1354
01:01:58,680 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 2: a hunter Biden and President Biden. All of it comes

1355
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 2: back to back taxes which he was not allegedly not

1356
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,240
Speaker 2: paying and a gun charge. Now, according to the people

1357
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 2: who are familiar with the matter, this has been a

1358
01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 2: basically years long investigation that was mounted by the Biden

1359
01:02:15,200 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 2: Department of Justice. This is actually in the hands of

1360
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 2: the US Attorney David Weiss of Delaware, which is a

1361
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: little bit of a conflict of interest because the Biden's

1362
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,600
Speaker 2: basically run the state of Delaware. And the question is

1363
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,960
Speaker 2: is like, is he going to you know, view this

1364
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 2: case under the letter of the law, which I mean

1365
01:02:32,800 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 2: it's it's very basic, like what came out from the

1366
01:02:36,680 --> 01:02:40,960
Speaker 2: laptop and from what came out from the laptop is

1367
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: very clear. He won hundred percent lied on his application

1368
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:50,040
Speaker 2: for around in terms of crime background.

1369
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 3: Check forget laptop.

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Speaker 5: His own memoir, Yeah, exactly, like right, the application for

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01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:59,520
Speaker 5: the weapon says, are you currently basically abusing drugs?

1372
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 2: And he literally we can prove be on a shadow

1373
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: of doubt because there's video he was used for when

1374
01:03:05,520 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: he filled it out, Very possible and I'm not you

1375
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: know again, I have deep sympathy for him, as we

1376
01:03:10,680 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: were just talking about with the Jordan Neely situation for

1377
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 2: people who find themselves in the midst of that level

1378
01:03:16,080 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: of addiction. But dude, you did lie, and you did

1379
01:03:18,680 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 2: illegally purchase a firearm.

1380
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 3: There is just no there's.

1381
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:23,080
Speaker 4: No amazing getting around.

1382
01:03:22,920 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 5: An amazing thing to watch the right rally around charges

1383
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 5: of illegal purchase of a firearm.

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01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 3: You'd be surprised.

1385
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:31,440
Speaker 2: Actually, a lot of the biggest gun people are advocates

1386
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 2: of strict laws that are already on the books for

1387
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,400
Speaker 2: people who are like, we just need to enforce current

1388
01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 2: existing law, and a lot of us would be safeer

1389
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: around guns, at least from my bros in the two

1390
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: A community. The question though, around the taxes is actually

1391
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: probably one of the more interesting ones, because the tax

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01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 2: crimes here relate to unpaid alleged unpaid back taxes around

1393
01:03:57,000 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: quote overseas business ties and consulting work.

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01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 3: I also don't think Hunter, or many.

1395
01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 2: US citizens i've met abroad, realized that if you are

1396
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 2: a US citizen, no matter how much money you make,

1397
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,200
Speaker 2: Uncle Sam is going to get their cut, and that

1398
01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:14,240
Speaker 2: includes fifty thousand dollars a month or possibly eighty thousand

1399
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: dollars a month, payments from Ukrainian energy companies or Chinese

1400
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:23,480
Speaker 2: industrial state companies, or your stakes in Chinese investment firms

1401
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 2: which you were sitting on the board of and receiving

1402
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 2: said capital gains.

1403
01:04:28,040 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 4: Routes, jewelry watching.

1404
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 3: Jewelry laptops.

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01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Like, just because somebody gives you something in

1406
01:04:34,520 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 2: kind doesn't mean that you don't have to pay a

1407
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: tax on it. And that is something he may be

1408
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:43,040
Speaker 2: finding here out the hard way, because, as we've already showed,

1409
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 2: he already has his allies point out though, that he

1410
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 2: had to pay the back taxes.

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01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:49,680
Speaker 3: So he by.

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01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:53,439
Speaker 2: Paying the two million dollars in unpaid back taxes, he's

1413
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,640
Speaker 2: acknowledging I did not pay my taxes. Here is another

1414
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:59,080
Speaker 2: crazy part that I think lot not a lot of

1415
01:04:59,080 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 2: other people are focusing on. Hunter did not pay this

1416
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 2: two million back taxes with his own money, but he

1417
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 2: did his friend paid his back taxes.

1418
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,720
Speaker 3: A quote Hollywood.

1419
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 2: Lawyer and novelist who befriended him in twenty nineteen.

1420
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 3: So you meet a guy and a year later.

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01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 2: He pays two million dollars in back I got you,

1422
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: And you don't think that that is a massive conflict

1423
01:05:23,080 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 2: of interest. You think he'd be paying your back taxes

1424
01:05:26,080 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: if you were not the president's son, If Brian, if

1425
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:31,760
Speaker 2: you and I did what this man did were locked up.

1426
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 3: It's not in a question. Irs already came to your door.

1427
01:05:35,600 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 3: It's over. Your house is gone. Like nobody.

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01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: I have great friends, none of them have two million dollars.

1429
01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 2: He's gonna be able to pay my back taxes.

1430
01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 3: I would never even put myself in this situation.

1431
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,920
Speaker 2: But this is one of those where it just seems

1432
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: so clear that if he does not get charged, he's

1433
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 2: getting protected.

1434
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 5: By it in defense of Weiss, the attorney and his

1435
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 5: conflicts of interests. Guy, so there's a Trump holdover. But

1436
01:06:04,200 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 5: you're right that Delaware. But then then again, what do

1437
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 5: you what are you going to do? Like it's it's Delaware.

1438
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:14,480
Speaker 2: This is literally if anyone's ever been to Delaware, it's

1439
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:19,160
Speaker 2: basically a highway. No offense Delaware and defense intended. Sorry, yeh, offense, okay,

1440
01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:22,720
Speaker 2: all right, offensere Delaware. All right, My my future in

1441
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:25,400
Speaker 2: laws went to the University of Delaware. It's complicated anyway,

1442
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 2: there is a The only thing of note, in my opinion,

1443
01:06:28,320 --> 01:06:31,600
Speaker 2: is the massive rest stop, which says the Biden.

1444
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:35,040
Speaker 3: The Amtrak Ye Biden station.

1445
01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they want like five dollars per square mile for.

1446
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:39,400
Speaker 4: You to drive through their state.

1447
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: There you go, that's true, so they can have no

1448
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:42,040
Speaker 3: money on the holes.

1449
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:43,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty well.

1450
01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 2: Anyway, let's go to the next part here, because Hunter

1451
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:51,080
Speaker 2: Biden's defense legal defense is actually putting Biden in a

1452
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 2: little bit of a hard place.

1453
01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 3: To put this up there from Axios.

1454
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 2: They say that aids with President Biden are actually clashing

1455
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:02,040
Speaker 2: with Hunter Biden's teams over his dealing with legal battles

1456
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 2: because Hunter is moving towards creating a legal defense fund

1457
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 2: and hiring ethics advisors. Now, high level Democrats are really

1458
01:07:12,320 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 2: worried about the idea of the president's son soliciting money

1459
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: to pay for his legal troubles. This is another thing

1460
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: that I keep coming back to. This guy printed millions

1461
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:26,800
Speaker 2: of dollars off of his dad's name for thirty years

1462
01:07:26,800 --> 01:07:27,240
Speaker 2: in public.

1463
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,960
Speaker 3: Where did all of the money go? It's the big

1464
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 3: guy had to take a sea. It's like, where is

1465
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 3: all of the money did you?

1466
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,240
Speaker 2: How do you spend millions of dollars on crack? I mean,

1467
01:07:35,320 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 2: is it anything possible? Millions, millions dollars on crack.

1468
01:07:39,200 --> 01:07:40,400
Speaker 4: If you're in Vegas, you.

1469
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 3: Can okay, you can plunge that one hundred thousands.

1470
01:07:43,040 --> 01:07:46,440
Speaker 2: I would believe millions, like millions of dollars like millions

1471
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 2: of dollars on crack, and European.

1472
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,400
Speaker 3: Prostitutes like you're getting bottle service. Maybe're right.

1473
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:55,160
Speaker 2: Obviously I'm a member of the uninitiated. So from what

1474
01:07:55,200 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 2: we can see here is that they are very worried

1475
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 2: that he will be publicly raising money from who knows,

1476
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:04,080
Speaker 2: maybe people like sketchy Hollywood lawyers who have to have

1477
01:08:04,120 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 2: two million dollars around paying his legal funds. Basically, what

1478
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 2: it has come to is that Hunter is still very

1479
01:08:10,080 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 2: upset that he has become a household name. He doesn't

1480
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 2: believe he's being fairly treated, when in reality it's well

1481
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:17,479
Speaker 2: beyond fairness.

1482
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:18,760
Speaker 3: You'd be locked up.

1483
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 2: He would have a twenty you'd have a three strike

1484
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:23,360
Speaker 2: minimum if he wasn't the kid of literally any other

1485
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:27,360
Speaker 2: the president of the United States and a former very

1486
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,439
Speaker 2: powerful senator. What it basically comes back to is that

1487
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:35,480
Speaker 2: he is in a real ethics bind because he reportedly

1488
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: has quote millions of dollars remaining in legal debt that

1489
01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 2: remain on his books, so he would have to use

1490
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: and solicit donations, probably from Biden allies to be able

1491
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: to pay for all of this. So I just think

1492
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 2: it's a it's a nightmare scenario for President Biden. And also,

1493
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:56,000
Speaker 2: you know, the headline is not going to look so

1494
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 2: great for him. We are nearing the period where they probably.

1495
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 5: Do have to charge him if they are going to

1496
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 5: charge it either way or not charged, like even not

1497
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 5: like not charging is a damaging headline for Biden in

1498
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 5: the same way that Hillary getting not charged right before

1499
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 5: the election was was actually turned out to be damaging

1500
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 5: for her. The attorney that he's talking to that has

1501
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 5: the Biden camp annoyed, Abby loll So, I'm sure you

1502
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:22,080
Speaker 5: know he was. He represented the Kushner's. He's kind of

1503
01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:25,840
Speaker 5: a brass knuckles kind of guy, and the Biden team

1504
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:28,240
Speaker 5: is like, let's let's keep this out of the headlines

1505
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 5: and keep this chill.

1506
01:09:29,360 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 3: So who are you thinking about using is like Abby

1507
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 3: loll Or, Like, They're like, no, we can't deal with this,

1508
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

1509
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 5: So it was reported that he recently met with Anita

1510
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:41,439
Speaker 5: Dunn and the other members of the team to try

1511
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 5: to get on the same page about Abby, Abby, can

1512
01:09:44,280 --> 01:09:48,360
Speaker 5: you please not humiliate us? He's going what she's going

1513
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,640
Speaker 5: to do like that? That's like his interest is in

1514
01:09:52,760 --> 01:09:55,920
Speaker 5: defending his client, not in you know, the president of

1515
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 5: the United States.

1516
01:09:56,520 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 2: It's a big political complication and headache for all of them.

1517
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: Let's go to the next part here, which I wanted

1518
01:10:01,320 --> 01:10:03,560
Speaker 2: to spend some time on because I know quite a

1519
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:06,120
Speaker 2: few of you are interested. There has been a new

1520
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,240
Speaker 2: allegation from House Republicans and the Senate.

1521
01:10:09,439 --> 01:10:10,799
Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

1522
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 2: Who are subpoenaing the FBI for alleged Biden w records. Now,

1523
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 2: the White House has gone ahead and denounced this as

1524
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:20,559
Speaker 2: any window, but the subpoena itself is kind of interesting.

1525
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 2: They are saying that Christopher Ray, the FBI Director, is

1526
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:28,879
Speaker 2: asking to be provided for records that relate to President

1527
01:10:28,920 --> 01:10:31,960
Speaker 2: Biden and his family. They say that there has been

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01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:36,559
Speaker 2: a new surface allegation based on an unnamed whistleblower made

1529
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:41,160
Speaker 2: to Congress, specifically alleging that the Bureau has a document

1530
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 2: which describes a criminal scheme involving President Biden and a

1531
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:50,480
Speaker 2: foreign national relating to the exchange of money for policy decisions,

1532
01:10:50,520 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 2: in other words, pay for play Biden was vice president

1533
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:59,040
Speaker 2: and relates includes a quote precise description of it. This

1534
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:03,840
Speaker 2: seeks all the forms, companying, attachments and documents that are

1535
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:08,280
Speaker 2: around this investigation. The lawmakers quote use the term alleged

1536
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,920
Speaker 2: throughout the opening paragraph, saying that they're not saying this

1537
01:11:10,960 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 2: is necessarily true, just that there is a credible whistleblower

1538
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 2: disclosure around this. The FBI has not yet responded for comment.

1539
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 2: Likely they're going to say it's an ongoing investigation. We

1540
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:24,240
Speaker 2: don't release documents or whatever related to this investigation, which

1541
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 2: could eventually lead to the release of the or possible

1542
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:30,800
Speaker 2: exposure of the whistleblower, which in my opinion would be great.

1543
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:33,960
Speaker 2: But the Biden White House is calling it innuendo. What

1544
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:35,400
Speaker 2: do you make of this, Ryan, what do you think?

1545
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,240
Speaker 5: Fascinating stuff? They should I think they should release the document, because.

1546
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, we've got to. Typically the FBI.

1547
01:11:41,760 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 5: Would say, well, look, we're not releasing all of our

1548
01:11:44,040 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 5: kind of case material from every investigation that we're doing. Yeah, well,

1549
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,840
Speaker 5: not every case material. Investigation involves the President of the

1550
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 5: United States. And so even if you felt, as the

1551
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:57,800
Speaker 5: FBI that you didn't have enough to go forward with

1552
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,439
Speaker 5: charges around this claim that somebody got forward.

1553
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 4: You didn't find them credible or whatever.

1554
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,360
Speaker 5: At this point, it's up to the American people to

1555
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 5: make that decision on a political basis rather than rather

1556
01:12:09,640 --> 01:12:11,600
Speaker 5: than as a criminal basis. So it's kind of let

1557
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:15,000
Speaker 5: us see what this evidence is, who presented this evidence,

1558
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:18,840
Speaker 5: unless it's some like source that is going to get

1559
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:19,599
Speaker 5: capped or something.

1560
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 3: It's interesting. I'm actually speaking with Glenn Greenwall tomorrow.

1561
01:12:22,439 --> 01:12:25,160
Speaker 2: I had talked to him quite a bit about Anthrax

1562
01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 2: and the anthracs investigation, and I am starting to learn

1563
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:33,520
Speaker 2: that so much of our current problems media, you know, terrorism,

1564
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 2: FBI lawlessness, a lot of it stems back to that investigation,

1565
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 2: because this is what reminded me of it where and

1566
01:12:39,080 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 2: the FBI is like, well, we don't release stuff, and

1567
01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:43,719
Speaker 2: it's like, well, after their prime suspect died, they basically

1568
01:12:43,760 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 2: were like, yeah, he did it, and.

1569
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 3: They declassified all.

1570
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 2: So it didn't prove it at all beyond a shadow

1571
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 2: of a doubt. And you're like, well, hold on, like

1572
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 2: you just released all. You never charged this man. He

1573
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:54,960
Speaker 2: never even had due process. He ended up killing himself,

1574
01:12:55,000 --> 01:12:57,200
Speaker 2: according to his wife, because the FBI was hounding again

1575
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:02,120
Speaker 2: no defense of doctor Ivans, only saying like his guilt

1576
01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:05,200
Speaker 2: is definitely not an open and shut thing that the

1577
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,679
Speaker 2: way that the FBI would have us believe. And it

1578
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 2: really revealed to me that there's tactics of smearing people,

1579
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 2: going after people, all these Hoover esque type things that

1580
01:13:15,000 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: were said to be abolished by the Church Committee. They

1581
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,040
Speaker 2: kind of go to the very root of really original

1582
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 2: nine to eleven period where that's when a lot of

1583
01:13:22,439 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 2: that stuff began and now manifests itself today.

1584
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 5: It's fascinating you bring that up because at the intercept,

1585
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 5: we're working on an investigation of that.

1586
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:30,599
Speaker 3: Very really, Oh, I can't wait.

1587
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,439
Speaker 5: I even go further than you. Yeah, I don't think

1588
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,200
Speaker 5: there's any credible at evidence to say you think I

1589
01:13:35,320 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 5: visit it was either.

1590
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1591
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 5: And also looking back, that moment also produced all of

1592
01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,040
Speaker 5: the biodefense and bio warfare that led to Ladlely fund

1593
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,040
Speaker 5: him over over the next twenty years.

1594
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 3: That's actually moment in history. That's why I was interested

1595
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:50,880
Speaker 3: in it.

1596
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,719
Speaker 2: Was that the anthrax literally the anthrax attack facillit.

1597
01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:56,280
Speaker 3: I did a whole monologue on this, people want to

1598
01:13:56,320 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 3: go watch.

1599
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 2: It was the gateway drug to forty billion dollars ago

1600
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 2: bio defense, which is what loosened the regulations around gain

1601
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:08,160
Speaker 2: of function research, which is what gave Fauci a slush fund, which.

1602
01:14:07,960 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 3: Is how the money ends up with the Wuhan Lab

1603
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:11,960
Speaker 3: in the first place, which is how COVID gets leaked.

1604
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,479
Speaker 4: And they haven't even figured out who did it.

1605
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean they might have, but we should

1606
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,679
Speaker 2: talk more offline about this. I'm still very into anthrax.

1607
01:14:20,680 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 2: I might do an entire monologue. We have a future

1608
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:24,920
Speaker 2: guest actually coming on the show who's going to talk

1609
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,720
Speaker 2: about a possible anthrax leak from twenty nineteen that the

1610
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 2: government covered up, So always keep that in mind. Okay,

1611
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 2: let's go ahead to the media block. Here Tucker Carlson,

1612
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 2: interesting release from Axios. Let's go and put this up

1613
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:42,439
Speaker 2: there on the screen. They say, quote scoop, Tucker Carlson

1614
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:47,280
Speaker 2: is ready to torch Fox News. That includes the very

1615
01:14:47,439 --> 01:14:51,280
Speaker 2: first quote from Tucker Carlson's lawyer. He says, the idea

1616
01:14:51,400 --> 01:14:54,519
Speaker 2: that anyone is going to silence Tucker and prevent him

1617
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 2: from speaking to his audience is beyond preposterous. Much of

1618
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,880
Speaker 2: this comes to affect actively a contract dispute. Now, at

1619
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 2: this point where Carlson's contract runs, according to insiders, up

1620
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:10,639
Speaker 2: until twenty twenty five, the issue is is that they

1621
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 2: are still paying his contract. It's called what is a

1622
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:17,600
Speaker 2: pay for not play or pay to not play I

1623
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,719
Speaker 2: guess where, Because they are still fulfilling the legal terms

1624
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:24,240
Speaker 2: of his contract by paying him his salary and not

1625
01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 2: having him on the air. He's kind of in some

1626
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 2: sort of programmatic lockup. Now, what happens in January twenty

1627
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 2: for twenty five? Oh right, it's after the twenty twenty

1628
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 2: four election. So there is a lot of speculation that

1629
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:41,120
Speaker 2: Box is actually dragging out any legal negotiation with Tucker

1630
01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:45,799
Speaker 2: and his team because they believe that they might benefit

1631
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 2: from silencing him, from keeping any future voice of his

1632
01:15:50,760 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 2: or project of his to go up, so that they

1633
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,559
Speaker 2: have time to rebuild the millions of people that.

1634
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 3: They have lost in his time slot.

1635
01:15:57,320 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 2: Remember this, they have the worst ratings since pre nine

1636
01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,440
Speaker 2: eleven in Fox primetime right now. It's a horrific nightmare

1637
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 2: content place that is happening over there. Some of this

1638
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:09,920
Speaker 2: also was leaked to The New York Times. Clearly there's

1639
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 2: a lot of back and forth going on behind the

1640
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:14,000
Speaker 2: scenes between Tucker and his team. Put it up there

1641
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,240
Speaker 2: on the screen. It says Tucker Carlson wants to return

1642
01:16:16,280 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 2: to TV before twenty twenty five, will Fox let him? Basically,

1643
01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:23,680
Speaker 2: the speculation is this, either Fox will just drag it

1644
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:25,640
Speaker 2: out and say no, we're not going to negotiate with

1645
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:28,200
Speaker 2: you all we have you completely within the terms of

1646
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:31,679
Speaker 2: the contract, or we may.

1647
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:32,200
Speaker 3: Just not pay you.

1648
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,559
Speaker 2: He might have to forfeit all of his salary, not

1649
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:37,400
Speaker 2: have some sort of exit package the way that Megan

1650
01:16:37,479 --> 01:16:38,080
Speaker 2: Kelly had.

1651
01:16:38,280 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 3: There's been a lot of.

1652
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 2: Crazy disclosures happening from behind the scenes of these videos.

1653
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:46,120
Speaker 2: We've covered some of them. I know you guys have

1654
01:16:46,479 --> 01:16:49,280
Speaker 2: as well. His text messages. I mean, Fox claims they're

1655
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:53,360
Speaker 2: not leaking it, but is so? I mean, come on, yeah,

1656
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 2: he's gonna leak as it at first, Just how would

1657
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:57,559
Speaker 2: they have access to them?

1658
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,599
Speaker 5: They don't have the they don't have and they also

1659
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:01,120
Speaker 5: don't have the redactive texts.

1660
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 3: The band video.

1661
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 2: It only exists in one place people, the Fox servers.

1662
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:05,480
Speaker 2: It doesn't take a genius.

1663
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 3: To figure this out.

1664
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:07,280
Speaker 4: I love that it's a media matter, right.

1665
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course they gave it to medium as genius

1666
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 2: I mean, in many ways that their allies because they're like, oh, well,

1667
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:13,360
Speaker 2: we would never do it, and then they send some

1668
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:15,600
Speaker 2: sort of like cease and desist letter to cover up

1669
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,160
Speaker 2: their tracks. It's just laughable. It's obviously you we all

1670
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:19,360
Speaker 2: know what you're doing.

1671
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, I don't know why they

1672
01:17:21,600 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 3: think it's working.

1673
01:17:23,080 --> 01:17:25,800
Speaker 2: If anything, the Right is only coalescing even more around

1674
01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,200
Speaker 2: Tucker and they don't think that Fox is legit.

1675
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:30,200
Speaker 5: They don't understand their audience if they think that that's

1676
01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 5: gonna hurt Tucker exactly with that audience.

1677
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:36,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just so foolish just to even think about.

1678
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,120
Speaker 2: But I think it comes back to the fact is

1679
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,200
Speaker 2: legally it is a bind, you know, because they do

1680
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:45,320
Speaker 2: have him within the terms of the contract, and they

1681
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,479
Speaker 2: basically have to acquiesce to letting him go and to

1682
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,920
Speaker 2: do his own thing. We have seen people who are

1683
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,439
Speaker 2: on his side, people like Megan Kelly, actually come out

1684
01:17:55,600 --> 01:17:59,200
Speaker 2: and go after Fox and has actually been telling Tucker

1685
01:17:59,360 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 2: to take them to court. She says Tucker should walk

1686
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:06,000
Speaker 2: away and forfeit the pay lets take Fox take him

1687
01:18:06,040 --> 01:18:09,519
Speaker 2: to court over the sole issue of silencing him for

1688
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 2: the rest of the election season. The man they fired

1689
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:16,400
Speaker 2: and smeared relentlessly while he stayed silent. See how they're dwindling.

1690
01:18:16,479 --> 01:18:19,360
Speaker 2: Audience repays them for that. So that would of course

1691
01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:23,280
Speaker 2: be like trial a century right if Tucker Fox takes

1692
01:18:24,160 --> 01:18:27,400
Speaker 2: Tucker to court explicitly to keep him within the terms

1693
01:18:27,439 --> 01:18:29,640
Speaker 2: of the contract. But at the very least, you know,

1694
01:18:29,720 --> 01:18:33,080
Speaker 2: big time media battle gearing up here. Also, can I

1695
01:18:33,160 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 2: just say this, non competes are bs and they should

1696
01:18:35,520 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 2: be illegal. Crystal nine had on real problem. Yeah, I'm

1697
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:41,040
Speaker 2: one hundred percent behind it. Crystaline can't talk too much

1698
01:18:41,040 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 2: about it. Had a real issue with non competes. I

1699
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: had a breaking points on all that. That caused us

1700
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:48,720
Speaker 2: a hell of a lot of stress. And it's not

1701
01:18:48,760 --> 01:18:49,679
Speaker 2: even just about us.

1702
01:18:50,240 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 3: We're fine. There are a lot of people out there.

1703
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:55,200
Speaker 2: You know, we've spoken previously about like grocery store chains.

1704
01:18:55,240 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 2: We're like, yeah, if you bag for us, you can't

1705
01:18:56,920 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 2: go back for somebody. It's like excreme legal principle. John

1706
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:01,960
Speaker 2: had him, Jimmy Johnson, That's exactly where that's what I

1707
01:19:02,040 --> 01:19:02,439
Speaker 2: was thinking of.

1708
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:03,679
Speaker 3: It's screw you.

1709
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:07,439
Speaker 2: You do not dictate where I work elsewhere you pay

1710
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 2: me to perform a service, and that's it. Everything else

1711
01:19:10,080 --> 01:19:12,559
Speaker 2: beyond that is a matter of my individual liberty.

1712
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:13,640
Speaker 3: So it really bothers me.

1713
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:16,679
Speaker 5: The amazing if work was like I will take this job, yeah,

1714
01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,160
Speaker 5: but you cannot hire another work exactly perfect?

1715
01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:21,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe like that insane? Yeh, that's not how this works.

1716
01:19:22,680 --> 01:19:25,320
Speaker 5: Like, oh, okay, cool, then I'm not signing a nun either.

1717
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:27,639
Speaker 2: We're not talking about the welfare of twenty five million

1718
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 2: dollars salary cable news pundits.

1719
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 3: Okay, we are talking specifically.

1720
01:19:30,920 --> 01:19:34,679
Speaker 2: About why legally this is an idiotic framework to conduct yourself.

1721
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,479
Speaker 5: Is there a deal to be made where Tucker agrees

1722
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,920
Speaker 5: to not disparage Fox and they let him out?

1723
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,719
Speaker 4: Like, how do you how do you see this ending?

1724
01:19:41,960 --> 01:19:43,880
Speaker 3: Don't I don't know if he would do it. I mean,

1725
01:19:44,360 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 3: here's the thing.

1726
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:50,760
Speaker 2: They have so unceremoniously fired him and treated him. I mean,

1727
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 2: they didn't even give a chance right for amicable, for

1728
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 2: anything amicable.

1729
01:19:55,160 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 3: Two days after he's gone, they're leaking his.

1730
01:19:56,920 --> 01:20:00,559
Speaker 2: Tax messages and they're linking his text messages and leaking

1731
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 2: videos of him behind the scenes to like they're kind

1732
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 2: of the ones who shot first. I mean first they

1733
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 2: fired him, and then second immediately they're cheap prs. A

1734
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:11,759
Speaker 2: woman named Arena Brigenti, who used to be very powerful

1735
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 2: in the tabloid days, but in the age of the

1736
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:14,920
Speaker 2: Internet now looks like a clown.

1737
01:20:15,040 --> 01:20:16,439
Speaker 3: Yes, that's what I said, Irena.

1738
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,479
Speaker 2: And what it is is that she thinks she's like

1739
01:20:19,479 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: this behind the scenes mastermind who determines Fox. It's very

1740
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 2: like Roger Ailes in terms of we wheeld power. But

1741
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 2: what they don't understand is you're not the only place

1742
01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 2: to go anymore. Nobody cares at this point whether they

1743
01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 2: get to go on cable television or not. I know

1744
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:38,320
Speaker 2: a lot of young people who are coming up in

1745
01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:39,160
Speaker 2: the media industry.

1746
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 3: Not one of them still cares about going on cable.

1747
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,320
Speaker 3: Whenever we were coming up, Ryan, he was the only way.

1748
01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 3: It was the only opportunity that we had.

1749
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,040
Speaker 2: But the moment the Internet happened, I jumped ship. I

1750
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 2: can tell you that in terms of my opportunity to you.

1751
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:52,599
Speaker 2: So did a lot of people like.

1752
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I remember getting a couple of angry calls

1753
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:59,920
Speaker 5: back in the day from Arena Bte. She's a real screamer.

1754
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 5: Yeah that's kind of weird. Yes, what are you looking

1755
01:21:05,760 --> 01:21:06,200
Speaker 5: at today?

1756
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:08,920
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty three is a really interesting time to be alive.

1757
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 2: If you want back fifty years ago and you asked

1758
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 2: Americans what it would be like, they would probably light

1759
01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:16,919
Speaker 2: up with wonder. They would have visions of the future

1760
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 2: and technological progress man could hardly imagine. Just think about

1761
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 2: back to the future too in nineteen eighty five. They

1762
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 2: believe twenty fifteen would be a land of different dress

1763
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:31,879
Speaker 2: of hoverboards, of technology which would radically transform the American

1764
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 2: way of life. The real answer was far more depressing.

1765
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen really wasn't all.

1766
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:38,679
Speaker 3: That different from nineteen eighty five.

1767
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:41,400
Speaker 2: The cars were more fuel efficient, we had the Internet,

1768
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:44,759
Speaker 2: and our economy became one hundred times more financialized. Wages

1769
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 2: were mostly flat, most people's work schedules were exactly the same.

1770
01:21:48,280 --> 01:21:51,880
Speaker 2: But more importantly, the pace of technological progress did not

1771
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,479
Speaker 2: catch up in the way that we envisioned. In the

1772
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:58,200
Speaker 2: words of venture capitalist Peter Thiel, we were promised flying cars.

1773
01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 2: All we got was one hundred and forty care The

1774
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 2: characters though, being a reference to Twitter, which I guess

1775
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 2: today if you pay for Twitter Blue it's unlimited.

1776
01:22:06,160 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 3: But you get my point. This has been my.

1777
01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 2: View of the world now for quite some time, and

1778
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 2: it's why I was not surprised at all with a

1779
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 2: recent poll that took some neoliberals.

1780
01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:14,679
Speaker 3: By great surprise.

1781
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 2: More Americans today say that life for people like them

1782
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 2: is worse today than it was fifty years ago, some

1783
01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:25,000
Speaker 2: fifty eight percent in twenty twenty three versus just forty

1784
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:27,839
Speaker 2: two percent in July of twenty twenty one. This crosses

1785
01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:31,320
Speaker 2: party lines and now maintains a sizable majority of Americans.

1786
01:22:31,520 --> 01:22:33,479
Speaker 2: You dig deeper and you actually see more signs of

1787
01:22:33,560 --> 01:22:37,320
Speaker 2: rod As Pew notes, quote, sizable majorities of US adults

1788
01:22:37,320 --> 01:22:40,160
Speaker 2: say in twenty fifty over twenty five years away, the

1789
01:22:40,320 --> 01:22:43,120
Speaker 2: US economy will be weaker of the United States will

1790
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:46,240
Speaker 2: be less important in the world, political divisions will be wider,

1791
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:48,920
Speaker 2: and there will be a large gap between rich and poor.

1792
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:52,400
Speaker 2: As for how people think things are going, quote, Americans

1793
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,320
Speaker 2: negative views of the nation's future are influenced by their

1794
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 2: bleak assessments of current conditions. Only nineteen percent say they

1795
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 2: are satisfied with the things are going. Eighty percent are dissatisfied.

1796
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 2: Ratings of the economy remain largely negative, and increasing share

1797
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: of public expects economic conditions to worsen over the next year.

1798
01:23:11,640 --> 01:23:14,440
Speaker 3: This is bleak stuff, but it bears investigation.

1799
01:23:14,800 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 2: If most people think the country isn't doing well, who

1800
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 2: actually thinks that it is. The answer won't surprise you.

1801
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 2: The only people who believe the country is doing well

1802
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 2: and will continue doing well are those above the age

1803
01:23:26,960 --> 01:23:30,840
Speaker 2: of sixty five, especially Boomer Democrats. Now you might ask

1804
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 2: why would boomers have such confidence in the US and

1805
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,120
Speaker 2: the current system. It's easy to have that confidence when

1806
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 2: you have a paid four house that you got for

1807
01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:42,120
Speaker 2: cheap retirement savings, which boomed over the course.

1808
01:23:41,840 --> 01:23:42,519
Speaker 3: Of your life.

1809
01:23:42,640 --> 01:23:45,400
Speaker 2: If you're my age at thirty one, good luck starting

1810
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,920
Speaker 2: at the same place as the boomers. You rightfully should

1811
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: have zero confidence that you will likely get to where

1812
01:23:50,479 --> 01:23:53,120
Speaker 2: they are, or even the same with the same amount

1813
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,880
Speaker 2: of work, or possibly even more. That's the fundamental divide.

1814
01:23:56,960 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 2: It's one that the people who need to internalize, who

1815
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:02,880
Speaker 2: run this country to propagandize you. They're going to throw

1816
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 2: many things at you which are technically not wrong, like,

1817
01:24:05,439 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 2: for example, but life expectancy is so much better. Yeah, true,

1818
01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 2: a couple of years more, and yet in recent years

1819
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,000
Speaker 2: we have seen the worst decline in life expectancy in

1820
01:24:14,040 --> 01:24:17,040
Speaker 2: the US since World War One, many of those deaths

1821
01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,680
Speaker 2: having nothing to do with COVID. They'll say, yes, but

1822
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:23,280
Speaker 2: GDP growth is better than ever again technically true, and

1823
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 2: yet wages have grown only by seventeen percent while productivity

1824
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:29,880
Speaker 2: has grown at sixty two. In other words, real wage

1825
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,760
Speaker 2: increases have not captured the actual economic gains of the

1826
01:24:32,800 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 2: economy and fall far short of the previous wage and

1827
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,920
Speaker 2: productivity growth from the pre nineteen seventies era. They want

1828
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 2: you to believe that because TVs are cheaper and you

1829
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 2: have a smartphone in your pocket that you are so

1830
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:47,400
Speaker 2: much better off, or that because you will technically live

1831
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:51,600
Speaker 2: two years longer than that's everything. Yet medical costs have

1832
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 2: gone up thousands of percent since that time. Don't think

1833
01:24:55,320 --> 01:24:57,960
Speaker 2: that life extension is free, is it? If anything, you

1834
01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,640
Speaker 2: will die a few years later, but much much unhealthier

1835
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: today than you would have been in nineteen seventy three.

1836
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 2: And it brings me back to one of my favorite

1837
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:09,120
Speaker 2: graphics of all time from the website WQF happened in

1838
01:25:09,200 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one.

1839
01:25:10,479 --> 01:25:11,559
Speaker 3: Here's nineteen seventy one.

1840
01:25:11,640 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 2: Cost of living a brand new house in nineteen seventy

1841
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:17,439
Speaker 2: one was two point five times average income. Today, the

1842
01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:20,160
Speaker 2: average price in the US. Home price in the US

1843
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 2: is five times the average income. A new car in

1844
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy one was one third the average income.

1845
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 3: Today, a new.

1846
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 2: Car price is about fifty six percent of the average income.

1847
01:25:31,520 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 2: Average rent in the United States in nineteen seventy one

1848
01:25:34,040 --> 01:25:36,760
Speaker 2: was one hundred and fifty bucks adjusted for inflation. That's

1849
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 2: around eleven hundred dollars today. Today, the average rent for

1850
01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 2: an apartment is seventeen hundred dollars. Harvard tuition in nineteen

1851
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:46,760
Speaker 2: seventy one, adjusted for inflation was about nineteen thousand dollars

1852
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,200
Speaker 2: in today's money in nineteen seventy one. Of course, Harved

1853
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 2: tuition today is fifty four thousand dollars. Since Harvard is

1854
01:25:52,600 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 2: an outlier, Consider yearly tuition for college. In nineteen seventy one,

1855
01:25:56,040 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 2: for a public university it was thirty two one hundred

1856
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 2: dollars in today's money. Yearly tuition Today, average public university

1857
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:06,280
Speaker 2: tuition is twenty five thousand dollars.

1858
01:26:06,520 --> 01:26:09,800
Speaker 3: Should I go on, don't let people gaslight you? Sure?

1859
01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 2: Fifty years ago you wouldn't have a cell phone or

1860
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:16,280
Speaker 2: an LCDTV. On average, life was not all that bad.

1861
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,160
Speaker 2: Just ask the silent generation.

1862
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:20,080
Speaker 3: And the boomers. It worked out great for them.

1863
01:26:20,400 --> 01:26:23,599
Speaker 2: The point is it's not working out that well for us.

1864
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 2: So don't blame us for saying that things are not

1865
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 2: going to be great in the future and that we

1866
01:26:27,680 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 2: would live rather live in the past. Our futures were

1867
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,679
Speaker 2: mortgage squandered in the name of globalization and sold under

1868
01:26:34,720 --> 01:26:37,800
Speaker 2: false pretenses to the American people. And this will be

1869
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:40,920
Speaker 2: the defining issue of our time. If not at the top,

1870
01:26:40,960 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 2: If this is not at the top of mind for

1871
01:26:42,680 --> 01:26:45,880
Speaker 2: every single politician today, they don't belong in their jobs

1872
01:26:46,040 --> 01:26:46,679
Speaker 2: at all.

1873
01:26:46,760 --> 01:26:49,680
Speaker 1: And if you want to hear my reaction to Sagre's monologue,

1874
01:26:49,720 --> 01:26:55,680
Speaker 1: become a premium subscriber today at Breakingpoints dot com.

1875
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:56,960
Speaker 3: Ryan, let me take a look at it.

1876
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Speaker 5: So, when it comes to Democratic Party polics, big money

1877
01:27:01,280 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 5: made a huge comeback in twenty twenty two, more than

1878
01:27:04,439 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 5: matching the surge and small dollar contributions that had been

1879
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 5: kicked off by the Bernie Sanders campaign back in twenty fifteen,

1880
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,719
Speaker 5: and that threatened to reshape the party.

1881
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:12,840
Speaker 4: Now, one of the.

1882
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 5: Leaders of the big money counter revolution is not a

1883
01:27:16,240 --> 01:27:20,400
Speaker 5: household name. He's a tech executive named Dmitri Melhorn, whose

1884
01:27:20,479 --> 01:27:22,920
Speaker 5: largest source of power comes from his connection to his

1885
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 5: college classmate Reid Hoffman, the billionaire founder of LinkedIn, who,

1886
01:27:27,200 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 5: as Saire was mentioned earlier on the show, financed the

1887
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:33,240
Speaker 5: Egen Carol lawsuit and otherwise is spent tens of millions,

1888
01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:37,240
Speaker 5: maybe hundreds of millions of dollars on Democratic Party politics

1889
01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:41,439
Speaker 5: and going after Trump. But Dmitri, as Democratic insiders all

1890
01:27:41,439 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 5: call him using only his first name, has been good

1891
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,439
Speaker 5: at organizing other like minded mega donors as well, which

1892
01:27:47,479 --> 01:27:49,880
Speaker 5: means that he can now move tens of millions of

1893
01:27:49,920 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 5: dollars with the flick of a wrist. He has directed

1894
01:27:53,479 --> 01:27:56,120
Speaker 5: much of that money in alliance with the group Democratic

1895
01:27:56,160 --> 01:28:00,800
Speaker 5: Majority for Israel, targeting progressive Democrats in primaries, burying them

1896
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 5: under an avalanche of super PACs spending. So I interviewed

1897
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:07,040
Speaker 5: him from my podcast Deconstructed, which came out this weekend,

1898
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,120
Speaker 5: and he laid out his explanation for why it is

1899
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:14,160
Speaker 5: that he's been so heavily invested in undermining the left.

1900
01:28:14,520 --> 01:28:16,599
Speaker 5: And I asked him if he was going to continue

1901
01:28:16,600 --> 01:28:19,080
Speaker 5: that crusade in twenty twenty four, and his answer, I

1902
01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:20,560
Speaker 5: think was revealing.

1903
01:28:20,680 --> 01:28:21,639
Speaker 4: Take a list to this.

1904
01:28:21,880 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 5: How are you thinking about twenty twenty four democratic primaries,

1905
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:26,639
Speaker 5: do you guys feel like, and I've written about this before,

1906
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 5: but mainstream Democrats, the group that you mentioned, plus Democratic

1907
01:28:30,080 --> 01:28:33,320
Speaker 5: Majority for Israel, which works very closely with mainstream Democrats,

1908
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 5: really kind of transformed what was possible for think progressive

1909
01:28:36,439 --> 01:28:38,720
Speaker 5: left wing candidates in Democratic primaries in.

1910
01:28:38,720 --> 01:28:39,799
Speaker 4: The last cycle.

1911
01:28:40,160 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 5: I'm curious if you think you have essentially tamed the

1912
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,840
Speaker 5: left to the point where you're kind of moving on

1913
01:28:44,880 --> 01:28:47,640
Speaker 5: from Democratic primaries, or are you guys gearing up for

1914
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,400
Speaker 5: another another test in twenty twenty four that if you

1915
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:53,200
Speaker 5: see progressive candidates that you think are two progressive popping up,

1916
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,120
Speaker 5: that the super PACs are going to come out guns

1917
01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:57,480
Speaker 5: blazing on him.

1918
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Speaker 10: I think we're okay. Now, if you run a no

1919
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:03,120
Speaker 10: labels centrist like a Joe Mansion in every state, you

1920
01:29:03,120 --> 01:29:05,800
Speaker 10: will split the anti Trump coalition and therefore Trump will win.

1921
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,160
Speaker 10: That's the risk, and I think it's a huge risk.

1922
01:29:09,200 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 10: It is one of the way, one of the top

1923
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 10: five ways that Trump could get reelected is if Nancy

1924
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,720
Speaker 10: Jacobson and Mark Penn and Joe Lieberman continue in this

1925
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:18,040
Speaker 10: path and put this bout line in every state when

1926
01:29:18,040 --> 01:29:22,920
Speaker 10: they launched this effort, this absurd, venal effort. One of

1927
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,240
Speaker 10: the things that they one of the things that they

1928
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,519
Speaker 10: did in their video promotion is they talked about how

1929
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,240
Speaker 10: bad the two parties were, and the visual images they

1930
01:29:30,240 --> 01:29:35,120
Speaker 10: included were Donald Trump on the right and AOC on

1931
01:29:35,160 --> 01:29:38,719
Speaker 10: the left, And so they're ignoring the existence of Biden. Now,

1932
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,480
Speaker 10: I don't think it works. I actually think No Labels

1933
01:29:41,600 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 10: has a real risk of collapsing in this effort, and

1934
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,280
Speaker 10: I hope that they do. And I think that in general,

1935
01:29:46,400 --> 01:29:47,639
Speaker 10: the you know, if you listen to the way Bernie

1936
01:29:47,640 --> 01:29:51,240
Speaker 10: Sanders is talking about endorsing Joe Biden, I think I

1937
01:29:51,560 --> 01:29:54,200
Speaker 10: am quite confident right now that the actual extremes of

1938
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 10: the left are pretty severely marginalized. That's that's in general

1939
01:29:58,120 --> 01:29:59,759
Speaker 10: at the margins. It's a little bit like, for example,

1940
01:29:59,800 --> 01:30:02,639
Speaker 10: when and a judge gave a ruling that was really unhelpful.

1941
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 10: This is the judge with the abortion pill, and AOC

1942
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:06,160
Speaker 10: comes out and says, we should just ignore the ruling.

1943
01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 10: Like AOC is signing with jd Vance. You know, the

1944
01:30:08,520 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 10: two of them are both like, yeah, rulings that we

1945
01:30:09,960 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 10: don't like, we shouldn't, we shouldn't do, and it makes

1946
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:13,760
Speaker 10: it hard to build a coalition of donors around the

1947
01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 10: rule of law. But in terms of general voters, I

1948
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:17,519
Speaker 10: don't think it's a problem anymore, and I don't think

1949
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:19,360
Speaker 10: we need to do more to fight back against it

1950
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:19,920
Speaker 10: at the moment.

1951
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Speaker 4: Well, they're good good news and bad news for the left.

1952
01:30:22,960 --> 01:30:25,000
Speaker 5: They won't get bombed by a superpacks, but that's because

1953
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 5: they've been thoroughly beaten down to the crowd. Yes, there

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Speaker 5: you go, congratulations. So two things to talk about here.

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Speaker 2: Let's do the left first, and if you want to

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Speaker 2: today at Breakingpoints dot com. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: Ryan will be back on Thursday. As I said, we

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Speaker 3: With all of that, we will see you all tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: Let's see you guys, soon