1 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,480 Speaker 1: Y'all. I don't even think y'all are ready for what 2 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: I am going to just throw at y'all tonight, because 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 1: we have got retired NYPD Sergeant Joe Jack Alone. Y'all 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: know him, y'all love him, the Sorge Honey, he is here, 5 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: and our friend Scott Duffy, FBI, retired Supervisory Senior Resident 6 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: Agent of Delaware is in the house. Gentlemen, welcome to 7 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: Zone seven. 8 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: Hey, Cheryl, how are you? 9 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: You know what I am doing? Fantastic, Serge, But I 10 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: got to tell you I am not doing as good 11 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: as I was a few days ago when I was 12 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: with you in Scott Duffy at a zoo. Let me 13 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 1: tell y'all we had an opportunity to be at Lake 14 00:00:54,280 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: Tobias for the first Wildlife CSI Academy training inside of 15 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: a zoo and at Lake Tobias Wildlife part I mean, Scott, 16 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: I'm just going to start with you. You had the 17 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: very first class that first morning. Tell me what you 18 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:13,559 Speaker 1: thought just of the venue. 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 2: Okay, so. 20 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 3: You've allowed a couple hours for this, sherl because I 21 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 3: cannot stop talking about Lake Tobias. So first and foremost 22 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 3: being about probably two two and a half hours southeast 23 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 3: of Lake Tobias. I didn't know it was on the map, 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,399 Speaker 3: and this treasure to be so close, and for that 25 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:43,600 Speaker 3: to be my first visit, shame on me. But let 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 3: me just tell you arriving in the hills of Pennsylvania 27 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 3: and seeing this big, beautiful sign Lake Tobias. You got 28 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 3: all different types of entrances. I'm figuring out which entrance 29 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: and then i just have kangaroos running towards my car, 30 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 3: only stopped by a fence, and I'm like, wow, where 31 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 3: am I? 32 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, it's an unbelievable place. And then you know, 33 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,639 Speaker 1: we get into the classroom and we've got some incredible 34 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 1: people that have come and your topic is interviewing, and 35 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 1: we even had doctor Pria there. And for those of 36 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: y'all that know doctor Pria Energy, you know she went 37 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,959 Speaker 1: to the Johns Hopkins. I mean, she's not an idiot. Okay, 38 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: she's had some training, she's had some education. She's never 39 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:39,239 Speaker 1: had anything like training with Scott Duffy. She can't stop 40 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: talking about that and how important it was for her 41 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: to learn some of those techniques. 42 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 3: Well, thank you. I'm very humbled by it and the 43 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: people that have been there, the showing up into the classroom, 44 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:57,679 Speaker 3: from doctor pria to to nurses to police officers. I'm 45 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 3: just at the top of my head, I'm rattlingitols, social workers, 46 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 3: probation officers, both federal and state students, students from area colleges, 47 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 3: just all different walks of life, every different profession And 48 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,480 Speaker 3: that's a little nerve wracking to a teacher to see 49 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: and to be in front of. Okay, this is not 50 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 3: your typical student. These are professionals who definitely know a 51 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 3: thing or two about interviewing, and so just to be 52 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 3: in the room with them, it was an amazing experience. 53 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: But wow, alls, I can say as well. 54 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: Just wow. And you know, Joe, I thought, you know, 55 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: for this Wine and Crime, I'm gonna let the sarge 56 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: do his thing. He's going to keep him so captivated 57 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: because they broke the mole with you, honey. But little 58 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 1: did I know that something was going to steal the 59 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 1: show from you. 60 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, my buddy, uh the slough there. 61 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 4: So I was like, that's my spirit animal, right, So yeah, 62 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 4: he did everything but fall into my lap or fall 63 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: into my head. 64 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: As long as he didn't poop on me, I think 65 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 2: we would. 66 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 4: Have been all right, but it was it was a 67 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 4: great time. And yeah, being in that environment and that 68 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,839 Speaker 4: in that that kind of theater and you got the 69 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 4: animals around you. You're surrounded by snakes and alligators and 70 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,280 Speaker 4: everything else that goes along with it kind of adds 71 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 4: to the the whole atmosphere. Like I said, the only 72 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,919 Speaker 4: thing that was that iog was higher on is is 73 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 4: climbing that mountain into the car trying to get up 74 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 4: there to lake device. 75 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: That was an interesting geez. That was it was. It 76 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: was like a vertical. 77 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 4: But yeah, no, it was a lot of fun and 78 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,320 Speaker 4: getting a chance to meet all the people there was 79 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,920 Speaker 4: it was. It was really a good time, even though 80 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 4: I took a couple of cheap shots at the FBI, Right, Scout. 81 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 3: Joe, you always look at it first of all, not 82 00:04:59,279 --> 00:04:59,840 Speaker 3: only your. 83 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 1: But you. 84 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 3: Having worked so close with every agency. You couldn't have 85 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 3: said it any better when the fact that we're all partners, 86 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 3: and I think NYPD is absolutely there is no better 87 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 3: than NYPD. I would say the FBI likes to emulate NYPD. 88 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 4: Well, well, you know what it was like spelling A 89 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,280 Speaker 4: lot of the stuff that people see on television is important. 90 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,279 Speaker 4: I mean I always tell like I tell my students, 91 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 4: you know, television is entertainment, not education, and it's far 92 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 4: from reality. It's been distorted law enforcement work and everybody's 93 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 4: always fighting and everything else. People are stealing cases and 94 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 4: it's further that couldn't be further from the truth. 95 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: Well, you know what I thought was so important. It 96 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: was ironic and somehow fitting to me that we got 97 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: to honor Jane Goodall in this. And you know, she 98 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 1: was one of those folks that believed, if you're really 99 00:05:58,440 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: going to fight poaching, you've got to do it at 100 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: several levels. Right, You've got to have a community based education, 101 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: you've got to strengthen your law enforcement, and you've got 102 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: to support these animal sanctuaries. Well we did that. Not 103 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: only did we have the absolutely ground level, street level, 104 00:06:21,200 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: I guess wildlife sanctuary level approach to you know, training 105 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: community and what needs to happen to fight this poaching problem, 106 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: but you know, we gave law enforcement not just training 107 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: but equipment, and then we supported financially the animal sanctuary. 108 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: So I was real proud of what we accomplished in 109 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:49,119 Speaker 1: those two days, and it is absolutely in large part 110 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: because of Scott Duffy and Joe Jackaloane. 111 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, remember too on World Animal Day too. So it 112 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 4: was a kind of coming together of all these working parts. 113 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 4: And the fact that you know Scott and I and you, Cheryl, 114 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 4: we know each other for a long time now, that 115 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 4: always helps with that. But I'll tell you the staff 116 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 4: at the Bias Wildlife Park were. 117 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: Unbelievable, unbelievable. I told several of them if I were Oprah, 118 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 1: they would have all gotten a car. I mean, they 119 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: were kind, they were not rushed, they were not irritated, 120 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: they stayed late, they maintained just an unbelievably gracious and 121 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: happy and giving, just personality. I don't think they could 122 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: have done any better. 123 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 3: No, the backdrop of everything, how this all came to 124 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: be just the right people, the right timing, And then 125 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: of course everything that you have been thinking about, Cheryl, 126 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: whether it goes from the imagination, everybody has these grand 127 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,680 Speaker 3: plans going to happen. I'm never going to be able 128 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: to accomplish it. What you've been able to do, to 129 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: take out of that mind of yours, and then to 130 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 3: be able to call upon a few friends, Hey, can 131 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: you be here at a certain time in a certain place, 132 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 3: because guess what we have linked to bias that it's 133 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 3: going to roll out the red carpet. Wow, everything soup, 134 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: the nuts, animals, the staff. I cannot think of all 135 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 3: the different classrooms I have been around the world with 136 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 3: the FBI, that does not compare to what you were 137 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 3: able to put together last week. 138 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: Well, I appreciate you saying it, but as you well know, 139 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: when this whole thing really began to take shape, you 140 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: were standing right there, and so was Joe, and you know, transparency. 141 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: There might have been some drinking involved, but here's what happened, y'all. 142 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: We are at the Hampton's Who Done It? Which Joe 143 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: puts off on the true crime side, and it is remarkable. 144 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:07,120 Speaker 1: And so we go to a cocktail party and my 145 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: husband and I have this thing that if we're across 146 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: the room, if one of us is ready to go, 147 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: or we run into some crazy person or you know whatever, 148 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: or if it's something great, we have a signal so 149 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: we know to come together. We're either going to do 150 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: the Irish goodbye, or we're going to tell everybody goodbye, 151 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: or we're going to stay. So I'm across the room 152 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: and I do my check on him. He is waving 153 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: for me to come over like it is Christmas Eve. 154 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: So I go over and there's Jenna Tobias standing there 155 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: and Walt says, tell her, tell her what you told me, 156 00:09:40,400 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: and Jenna laughs and she said, okay, I just told 157 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: Walt that I grew up literally inside of a zoo. 158 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: And I was knocked out because part of what we 159 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: wanted with the Wildlife CSI Academy is we wanted a 160 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: zoo because we have TSA in Atlanta, we have a courthouse, 161 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: we have a farm, we have sworn animals. So this 162 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: was the piece of the puzzle that was missing. And 163 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: I said, Jenna, do you think that your family would 164 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: want to host a law enforcement training and a community 165 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: whining crime. She said, sure, absolutely that'll happen. And Scott, 166 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: you and your wife were standing right there, as well 167 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: as Nicole and some other folks, and then, of course 168 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: I will tell you all this part. On the way home. 169 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: Me and Walt started laughing, and I'm like, please, don't 170 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: be a crazy person, Please don't be a crazy person 171 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: telling me you grew up in the zoo and you didn't, 172 00:10:37,440 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: but nope, she grew up in a zoo. The house 173 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: is still right there in the middle of it. And 174 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: when you know, Scott and Joe have both said just 175 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: how wonderful that family is. They have not overstated it 176 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: for a moment. And I'm telling you, there's even some 177 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: things we couldn't control that were perfect. And that was 178 00:10:55,360 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: the weather, the food, the rooms, the animals, like every 179 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 1: single thing just fell into place so beautifully. 180 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 2: And the place was clean, you know, for a zoo 181 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 2: it was. 182 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 4: It was very clean, I mean, and it was everybody 183 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 4: was friendly, the staff, I mean, people who didn't weren't 184 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 4: even partaking in what we were there for, were still over 185 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 4: accommodating it. And you know, it really is. It's such 186 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 4: a nice family and it's really it makes it even better. 187 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible. And you know that's something that me 188 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: and Charlene talked about my sister that if I had 189 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: been kidnapped and blindfolded, I wouldn't even know I was 190 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: in a zoo. A lot of times when you get 191 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: to a zoo, honey, you know it when you're in 192 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: the parking lot. But this zoo was not that way. 193 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't describe these animals. It was almost 194 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: like a movie, you know, queue the zebra que the 195 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: baby camel, queue the you know, the baby giraffe. I 196 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 1: mean we got to feed giraffes, Scott, Wow, did we? 197 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 3: It's amazing what you have in your mind when you're 198 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 3: thinking of an animal, especially a seventeen foot I believe 199 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: was the tallest. 200 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: And then you had. 201 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 3: Ali Oliver and it's amazing how they just it's like 202 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,360 Speaker 3: you call out their name and they come running. 203 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: Don't forget Chester, oh ch Chester. 204 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: Let me tell you. Joe and I already had a plan. 205 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 1: He was going to be our drug kangaroo and we 206 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: were going to take him right on through TSA Honey 207 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: and let him go to work with us, because that 208 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: would have changed my entire life this coming monday, when 209 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, back on duty, Scott. When you did your class, 210 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 1: one of the first things that you do is you 211 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 1: engage them immediately with something they're not comfortable doing. I 212 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:56,959 Speaker 1: thought that was genius. 213 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, and I like to teach as 214 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 3: if I'm the student and I know where the students, 215 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,720 Speaker 3: so that you have the student of all different backgrounds 216 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:13,320 Speaker 3: and they are there. They're nervous, some know each other, 217 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 3: some came in groups. But ultimately and it was a 218 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 3: very cozy classroom that I want to shake it up. 219 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 3: I want them to feel the pressure of the tension. 220 00:13:23,960 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 3: Just as if a police officer, detective, an agent is 221 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 3: going into an interview room, we don't have all the answers. 222 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 3: We're just as nervous. And so I want to try 223 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: to replicate that with the student. And so I do this. 224 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 3: I just throw out a three x five card. I 225 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,439 Speaker 3: put a word on that everybody is familiar with, and 226 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 3: they're looking at the card wondering what to do. I'm 227 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 3: not going to give them an instruction and I'm not 228 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 3: going to give them time to back out. And then 229 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 3: I set the clock thirty seconds, get up, talk about it. 230 00:13:54,840 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 3: Tell me, without just dead air, what does that word mean? 231 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 3: And it's amazing how everybody did. 232 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 1: Oh, it was amazing from I don't know. I don't 233 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: know what to say. I don't know, I have no idea, 234 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. I can't do this too, 235 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: I mean almost like Webster's dictionary. It was one of 236 00:14:17,480 --> 00:14:19,680 Speaker 1: the greatest things I've ever seen, and it brought the 237 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 1: group together pretty quick. 238 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:25,760 Speaker 3: It does it's an amazing icebreaker. It does everything. It 239 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: gives them an understanding. Hey, this is not just going 240 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: to be a textbook classroom. We're going to be talking, 241 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 3: engaging with one another, and we're going to learn and 242 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 3: be ready for the next one. 243 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: One of the most powerful things you did is immediately 244 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: let everybody know and keep whether you meant to or not, 245 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: and I think you probably meant to. I don't think 246 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: you did anything by accident. But find that common ground. 247 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: Find that common ground, And I thought that was so 248 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: important right now in this country, but not just in 249 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: interviewing somebody, but in your family. If you're going to 250 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: have a new brother in law, or a new neighbor 251 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: or a new boss, the faster you can find that 252 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: common ground, the better it's going to be. 253 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, there's plenty to be divided, and as you said, 254 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 3: we see a lot of it today, but there's so 255 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: much more that unites us. It's a cliche, right, there's 256 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 3: that much more that unites us that that divides us. 257 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 3: And so the couple hours that we had together it 258 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 3: was all about coming together. And ultimately they can understand 259 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 3: that even with the worst of the worst, a criminal, 260 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: which could be a brother or a sister in law 261 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 3: and the uh and find that common ground, find that 262 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 3: humor find that connection and drive the conversation. 263 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: And Joe, I got to tell you, you are so 264 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: dynamic from the hip. It almost seems like you have 265 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: not prepared at all. Like, whatever the next slide is, 266 00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: I'm ready, even if I've never seen it. You are 267 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: so funny. But you said something that was so succinct 268 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: and so not elementary. But you know how like that, 269 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: you know, the shortest place between two points is you know, 270 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 1: a straight line? Of course it is, but I would 271 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: have never said that, right. But when you said hope 272 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:35,920 Speaker 1: is not a plan, I wrote it down because I 273 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: thought that's something people also need to hear that, whether 274 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: again it's your marriage, it's your health plan, however you're 275 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: taking care of yourself or not taking care of yourself, 276 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: your education, your work. Hope is not a plan. Well 277 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: I hope, Walt don't leave me, girl, you better do something. 278 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's really what it's all about, you know, 279 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 4: And even the you try to separate yourself from. 280 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 2: Like you know, I would say from my former life. 281 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 4: I've been out now thirteen years, and you never seem 282 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 4: to be able to get out of that. And planning 283 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 4: is an important stage and decision making and being able 284 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 4: to make the decision. Like I tell my students all 285 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 4: the time, you need to learn to make decisions. You know, 286 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 4: our roads are full of squirrels that can't make decisions. 287 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: So you have to. You have to get involved. 288 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:25,679 Speaker 4: You have to you have to do things, and you 289 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 4: got to plan them out because if you keep on saying, well, 290 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 4: I hope this works out, or I hope I get 291 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 4: the job, or I hope I do this, or I 292 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 4: hope I do that, well, now you got to make 293 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 4: it happen. 294 00:17:33,200 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 2: You got to make it happen. 295 00:17:35,320 --> 00:17:38,880 Speaker 1: And Scott, you know, you were so open with your 296 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: family and sharing all that. I think you had that 297 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: room turned upside down immediately because they no longer saw 298 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: you as you know, this supervisory FBI special agent of 299 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: all LA Delaware. They saw Scott. And I thought that 300 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 1: also was a gift you gave them because you know, 301 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: some of them walked in that room, especially some of 302 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:08,239 Speaker 1: the college students, not intimidated, but certainly they didn't want 303 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: to speak, you know, and you change that. And I 304 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: just appreciate the way you did that. 305 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I appreciate that, but that's it's also watching. 306 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: I'd like to think I'm a student of just watching people, 307 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: I'd like to see who's doing what, why they're doing 308 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 3: what they're doing, and then try to mimic if it's 309 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 3: good and move away if it's bad. And so I'd 310 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 3: like to create that same atmosphere in the classroom where 311 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 3: it is all about human connection. My family's you're a family, 312 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 3: and let's be a family for the time that we're together. 313 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 3: It's just that's the way I tried to create my 314 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 3: interviews in that same format, and definitely in the classroom. 315 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 1: Well it worked, honey, ain't no doubt. And you know, 316 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: Joe I started to just get knocked out because again, 317 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,199 Speaker 1: and you let that whole group know, Hey, when you 318 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: put this system together and you expect cops to enter 319 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 1: all this information and be on this computer and put 320 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 1: it all in correctly, they're not going to use something complicated. 321 00:19:15,119 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: They're not. 322 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:19,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. I always say, like, you'll keep it simple, right, 323 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 4: keep it simple, stupid, you know. 324 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: That's in policing. 325 00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 4: I mean, listen, cops and detective specific they got lots 326 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 4: of cases going on, they have lots of things that 327 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,399 Speaker 4: are happening. You're getting pulled, you know, left, right and center. 328 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 4: If you make something too complicated so whether it was 329 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 4: you know, the Nibrus system, which is the FBI's new 330 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 4: crime reporting system, or if you're adding you know, all. 331 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 2: These different aspects that the name is, or even fight CAP. 332 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 4: I mean when I was doing Vitcap, it was like 333 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 4: eight or nine pages long by the time I retired. 334 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 2: The time I retired, it's like a twenty page booklet. 335 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 5: Now, I mean, I understand you want, you know, more 336 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 5: information is great, but you got to you gotta keep 337 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 5: things simple sometimes because they just don't have the time 338 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 5: to sit there and work on something for hours on 339 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 5: and to try to get it out there. 340 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: And you know, two things happened, you know, Scott, in 341 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: your class. The first time Chester came in the baby Kangaroo, 342 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: you lost complete control of the classroom. I mean, those 343 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: folks could not get to that baby quick enough to 344 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,360 Speaker 1: take selfies into pet own him and love own him. 345 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,679 Speaker 1: And you know the old thing in Hollywood where they 346 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:34,439 Speaker 1: say don't work with children, don't work with animals. We 347 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: didn't listen to that at all. 348 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 3: And you were you were very good, Cheryl, like keeping 349 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 3: that a secret even from me. And then when you 350 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 3: come into the towards the end of the class and 351 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 3: you're like, hey, we got to surprise them, and I'm 352 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,440 Speaker 3: looking at you, look okay, Cheryl. And then all of 353 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 3: a sudden, when I just see Chester poking around and like, 354 00:20:55,520 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 3: get in here, right, class, right officially over, let's in 355 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 3: the fun. It's amazing what Chester specifically was able to create. 356 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,360 Speaker 3: Everybody jumped out of their seats and wanted a selfie 357 00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 3: and just to be with him. 358 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, because when in your life have you 359 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: ever just oh, there's a little baby kangaroo that I 360 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: can hold and pet and love on. I mean, it 361 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: was insane. And then Joe Chewy, y'all, Sergeant Joe Jack 362 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: alone with the NYPD is front and center in this room, 363 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 1: and behind him is a tree. And in the tree 364 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: is one of those baskets that has like moss in 365 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: it that you would see at home depot in the 366 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: garden section. There's a sloth there, Chewy. But you know, 367 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: Chewy's only awake one hour a day. Something about Joe's voice, 368 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: I don't know. As he's talking, he's facing the audience. 369 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: Here it comes Chewy and we're all watching. He's climbing, climbing, climbing, 370 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, hanging right over Joe. It 371 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: is the cutest thing I've ever seen in my life. 372 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 1: And Joe, you know, you know how he is. He 373 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,040 Speaker 1: turns around, He's like, hey, how are you forget about it? 374 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: You know, he's just keeping right. 375 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, chew, he stole the show. But you know what, 376 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 4: the like to say, the show must go on, we 377 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 4: need to get out there. But yeah, no, uh, you know, 378 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 4: it's it's just something that you I guess you learn 379 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 4: from all the distractions. I mean, you know this show, right, 380 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,160 Speaker 4: you could you could be at a scene that everything's 381 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 4: chaotic and you're just you're listening to only one person, 382 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 4: or you can. 383 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 2: Hear your radio go off even though everyone's yelling. 384 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 4: And screaming at you. So you kind of you you 385 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 4: learn how to do that kind of stuff and you 386 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 4: just kind of shut out those things. But yeah, chewy, chewy. 387 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 4: I guess it was the fact that they speak to 388 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 4: King's County English out of Brooklyn. So I just think 389 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,360 Speaker 4: that's probably a little boy like you probably say, whoa 390 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 4: who is that guy talking? 391 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: That's so cute. But y'all, this was a living classroom. 392 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: I mean we were inside outside everything just came together 393 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: and these endangered animals, being able to be with them 394 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: up close. I think that was a part that if 395 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: you came there not really sure how you felt about poaching, 396 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 1: you knew before you left. I promise you. You know, 397 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 1: when y'all say they rolled out the red carpet, we 398 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: not only had animal encounters and lunch, we had a safari, y'all. 399 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 1: And I mean there's one picture of Scott and one 400 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: picture of Joe that may have to be framed on 401 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: my desk. I mean, you just look up and you 402 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: know you're feeding a bison and then a lama, and 403 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: all of these animals they were all just pristine. I mean, 404 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to qualify what I was 405 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: looking at because there was so much to take in. 406 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 3: They were not animatronics. You would think they were being 407 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 3: cued with some sort of electronic device chipped into their 408 00:24:00,119 --> 00:24:04,719 Speaker 3: into their ears the way they responded, and and I'm like, wow, 409 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 3: I just animals that I have not seen in person. 410 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 3: And then to be able to be that close where 411 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 3: they're eating out of your hand. 412 00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 2: Yeah. 413 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 4: There was a couple of animals there that I never 414 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 4: saw in person, like the Texas longhorn, the steer. I 415 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:20,879 Speaker 4: never saw you know I've seen it on TV or 416 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 4: whatever's that, but I've never seen one in person. 417 00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 2: I mean that thing was huge. 418 00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 1: Huge, And then you know the one elk that came 419 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: right up to the Safari jeep and was, you know, 420 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: knocking its antlers. I mean, he was the boss. And 421 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 1: then you had the attic. Most people had never seen 422 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:43,800 Speaker 1: one in person. The golden bison, I mean that creature 423 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: was incredible. The lions and the tiger, the I mean, 424 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: y'all again, a black panther. That animal was stunning. And 425 00:24:58,560 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: knew it. 426 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, when he would when he would go by you, 427 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 3: I felt like there was a train in the distance. 428 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 3: I was trying to figure out what is that rumbling 429 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: and it was just his his strong purr. It's amazing. 430 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 1: Well, we do have to talk about one thing. How 431 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: about that little monkey that stems. 432 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 2: You got to bring up the monkey with Scott. He 433 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 2: was the only one to say. Scott could get him 434 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 2: to talk. Nobody else can get him the talk. 435 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,680 Speaker 1: Y'all. There's a sign and it literally says, please keep 436 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: your hands away because he will steal your phone or 437 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: your bracelet or your ring. And uh, that just cracked 438 00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: me up. But yeah, every time Scott Duff. You walk by, honey, 439 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: he sounded like a police siren. 440 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:42,120 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. 441 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 3: So the two in there right, and and there was 442 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 3: one that just came right up to and just staring 443 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,159 Speaker 3: at me. I'm like, okay, I'm sure it's not nothing. 444 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 3: It's just I'm just sitting here. I'm just standing here 445 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,600 Speaker 3: doing my thing. And uh, sure enough. It would start 446 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 3: with a little bit of a church chrip and then 447 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,720 Speaker 3: this amazing I don't know what you call it. Is 448 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: it a how is it a scream? 449 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:04,479 Speaker 2: It's a siren. 450 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: Yes, that's exactly how it sounded. Joe tell us about 451 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: the wine and chrome. 452 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, the winding and cramb. 453 00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 4: So this was we, you know, had two nights of it, 454 00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 4: and you know, I do the presentation for the cold 455 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 4: cases and talking to the groups. But I'll tell you 456 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 4: that both groups pretty big, which is especially the second 457 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 4: night was a really big crowd. But you know, I always, yeah, 458 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 4: I'm always amazed about the input that you get from 459 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 4: the audience themselves, the questions that they ask and and 460 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,679 Speaker 4: and some people are really into it in regards to 461 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,479 Speaker 4: some of these active cases that are going out there 462 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 4: and they follow them and they you know, they try 463 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 4: to pick your brain, so to speak about, you know, 464 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 4: what they can do. And I kind of tailor the 465 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 4: presentation towards that because so many people want to get 466 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 4: started in this and don't know where to go, or 467 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 4: they're just interested in it. And I'm always impressed by, 468 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 4: you know, the knowledge that people have of coming into 469 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 4: these things. Mm hmm. 470 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: I thought you did a masterful job telling people where 471 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: they could go if they wanted to help. That was beautiful. 472 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's It's something that a lot of people can 473 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,640 Speaker 4: get involved in it, you know. I try to give them, 474 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 4: I call them like active responses and passive responses, right, 475 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 4: they could do things and really get involved, though they 476 00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 4: can do things in the research level, you know, being 477 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 4: a little passive and try to get help for the 478 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 4: families and do those things. And I always try to 479 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 4: include a little bit of advocacy and make sure that 480 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 4: they're not stomping on family members or victims and everything 481 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 4: else that goes along. 482 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 2: And it's not about likes and clicks. 483 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:40,679 Speaker 4: It's about getting the information out there and hopefully it 484 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:44,880 Speaker 4: jogs somebody's memory or it gets somebody else involved who 485 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 4: can make a bigger production and get things you know 486 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 4: out there in regards to try to help these family 487 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 4: members out. 488 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: And that's another thing I want to just say to 489 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: everybody to make sure that they completely understand. We had 490 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: two classes in the morning that Scott taught, and then 491 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: two evening sessions that were the Wining Crimes. Scott Duffy 492 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: came to both Wining Crimes after he had taught and 493 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: been on Safari all day. Joe had to teach class 494 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: and then got to Scott's class as quick as he could, 495 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 1: then went on Safari and then did the Wining Crime 496 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: all night. And then we had some other special guests. 497 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: Lisa Robakoff was there, Jan Boone, Nicole and Maria from 498 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: Mother Knows Death. I mean, we had some incredible folks 499 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,719 Speaker 1: that came and supported and you know, did all they 500 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: could to make this a reality on top of the 501 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: Tobias family. So I just want to say again to 502 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: both of you, you know, your friendship and your generosity 503 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: and your brilliance of teaching. That is the only reason 504 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: this thing happened. It's one thing to have an idea, 505 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 1: but it's one thing to have people say yes and 506 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, leave their family and come and take a chance. 507 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: When some girl from Georgia tells you there's a zoo 508 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania, and y'all just go, okay, we're coming. 509 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 4: Well, that's what friends are four, right, So it's it's, 510 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 4: you know, one of those things where somebody asks you 511 00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 4: and do you do it right? And you I enjoyed 512 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 4: doing it too, So it's if that makes it, you know, simple, 513 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 4: of course. And and like I said, we've all known 514 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 4: each other for years now, so it makes things even 515 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 4: easier to try to do that. And you know, I 516 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,400 Speaker 4: guess that the law enforcement angle where we all did 517 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 4: the same sort of job, we all chewse the same dirt, 518 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,080 Speaker 4: so to speak. And I think that also provides that 519 00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 4: little camaraderie that you just can't explain to other people. 520 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think first and foremost they were long sketch 521 00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 3: a long days, right, And we're there early in the 522 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: morning and were there late in the evening, and I 523 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 3: was not tired. There was just so much energy from 524 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: every aspect. And then go into the winding crime twice 525 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 3: and to and and Joe even said, Okay, Scott, you 526 00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 3: know you're gonna hear me again. I'm like Joe, I 527 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 3: could listen to you all day but to be able 528 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 3: to pivot, to be able to change up. 529 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 2: Just enough. 530 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: It's there's always something coming out that I'm learning, and 531 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 3: so I'm back there and jotting things down and it's, uh, 532 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:34,040 Speaker 3: of course, you know, you have a nice glass of wine, 533 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 3: some food with it, and you have you have Chewy 534 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 3: and then you just it just felt like you were 535 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: with friends. It was an amazing experience. 536 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:47,480 Speaker 2: It just so thank you, right, it was like a bandshell. Right. 537 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 4: They set up like it's like a bandshell, and you 538 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,240 Speaker 4: have everybody sitting in front of you, and you're there, 539 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 4: and and you. 540 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 2: Got Chewy hanging above you. 541 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 4: It's just it's just that intimacy part of it where 542 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 4: people could really get involved and get it has to 543 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 4: really talk to you, and you know, you're walking around 544 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 4: to people stop you and ask you questions and you 545 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 4: know that kind of you can't get that kind of 546 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 4: intimacy with any other kind of uh, you know, situation 547 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,440 Speaker 4: that you're dealing with. So I think that's I think 548 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 4: that's what makes people like this kind of venue too. 549 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: Absolutely well, I appreciate it. I appreciate y'all making time tonight, 550 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: and hopefully we'll all be together again in Arizona because 551 00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:32,280 Speaker 1: we got something really interesting playing there too. But I 552 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: adore both of you. I appreciate both of you, and 553 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: to me, there was nothing better than experiencing that place 554 00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: with those animals, with my friends. 555 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 3: Thank you very much. I cannot thank you enough. When 556 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 3: we were in that whatever, that restaurant bar, when all 557 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 3: this got hashed out, my fingers were crossed and I 558 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 3: was saying, please, please make this happen, and look at 559 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 3: what you have accomplished. So kudos, kudos, kudos. 560 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, in a short period of time where you think 561 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 4: about it, from April to you know, October, you got 562 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 4: this all together and you're at a zoo. 563 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: So I mean that was that was phenomenal. 564 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: Well, y'all, wan't going to end Zone seven the way 565 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: that I always do with a quote. If we do 566 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: not do something to help these creatures, we make a 567 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: mockery of the whole concept of justice. Doctor Jane Goodall, 568 00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm Cheryl McCollum, and this is Zone seven.