1 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties, 2 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk through some of the big 3 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: changes and transitions of our twenties and what they mean 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: for our psychology. Welcome back to the podcast for another 5 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: episode another week. This week, we're talking about big life changes, 6 00:00:27,600 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: big life transitions, and all of those kind of things 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: that that involves. Just quickly, my little puppy's next to 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: me at the moment, because I'm back at home with 9 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: my family in Melbourne. Kind Of why I wanted to 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,599 Speaker 1: do this episode, I guess, is because I'm going through 11 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,800 Speaker 1: a big life change right now. I'm about to move cities, 12 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: move jobs, move lives. Basically I've just graduated. Yeah, so 13 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: I really wanted to kind of think about this topic 14 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: just for my own sake, but also because it's kind 15 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: of in the intro of the podcast. It's kind of 16 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 1: in the name. It's something that, Yeah, I've wanted to 17 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: discuss for a while. I think one of the quintessential 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: aspects of our twenties is the big life changes and 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: moves and decisions that we all kind of have to make. 20 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,039 Speaker 1: All the world's going to make them for us our 21 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: twenties is when we decide what we want our life 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:19,960 Speaker 1: to be. Often a time when we move away from 23 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: home to new cities. Like I said, we change jobs, 24 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: lose friends, and make new ones who might end and 25 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: start relationships as well. And in our twenties, I think 26 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:35,759 Speaker 1: we tend to transition through many can you hear the duck? Yeah, 27 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: we tend to transition through many different lives and lifestyles, 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: choosing one which kind of fit us best. And the 29 00:01:43,480 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: things that are kind of typical and our twenties like 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: union jobs and travel and starting relationships ending relationship gap 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: years are all massive events in our lives and what 32 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: a company is. It is also indicative of life trages 33 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: like those moves, like new friends and new hobbies and surroundings, 34 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: and that can kind of a toll. I think also, 35 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: as COVID has taught us, sometimes big life changes and 36 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,040 Speaker 1: transitions aren't always in our control. It's not something that 37 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: we choose to do willingly and have some optimism about. 38 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: So how do we stay resilient when things can shift 39 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: so quickly in life, especially when we're young and we 40 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: don't really have the same security that our older years 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: perhaps might bring if we're lucky. I think also it's 42 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: okay to be scared. It's okay to be kind of terrified, 43 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:33,079 Speaker 1: like you don't always know where you'll land, and whether 44 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: what you had before maybe better. I think it's worth 45 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: remembering it always kind of works out in the end, really, 46 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: But let's discuss the psychology behind these big life changes 47 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: and shifts in our lives, the emotions that accompany that, 48 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: and why we have this drive for change and novelty 49 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: in our younger years. So this is what we're going 50 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: to talk about, discovering in our our own values and 51 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 1: life beyond what our parents have kind of decided for us, 52 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: pushing back but also wanting to pursue massive changes. I 53 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: want to talk about loneliness and temporariness, temporariness people who 54 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: are temporary, things that are temporary in our twenties, and 55 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:17,959 Speaker 1: that constant shedding of old skin, old habits, and old 56 00:03:18,040 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: versions of yourself, and the kind of trial and error 57 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 1: that we go through in our twenties to find out 58 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: who we are, but probably more importantly, who we want 59 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: to be, and that means making mistakes, It means huge 60 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 1: changes to our internal conceptions of ourselves and also our 61 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: external worlds as well, and Obviously, I'm in my early twenties, 62 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: so I haven't really experienced the full kind of effect 63 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: of those life transitions I've you know, this is kind 64 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: of my first big one as a young adult or 65 00:03:49,120 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: by myself, so yeah, kind of looking forward to diving 66 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 1: into it and learning some more about how we can 67 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: kind of coast through these big life changes and what 68 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 1: it means for our psychology, how we can do our 69 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: best to adjust to the cards that life kind of 70 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 1: deals us in our young years. So psychologists call the 71 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: state of being in transition liminality liminality, so it basically 72 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: means being between social roles and identities. So in other words, 73 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 1: it means that you're kind of neither in this state 74 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: or the life that you've left, and nor are you 75 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: completely in your new life or your new state, at 76 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: least not mentally. And this can provoke something of an 77 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 1: identity crisis that raises the question of who am I, 78 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: Who do I want to be? What am I going 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: to be? What's my life going to be like? Which 80 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: can be quite emotionally destabilizing. And there's heaps of literature 81 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: on this, obviously, because big life changes are a huge, 82 00:04:51,600 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: huge source of stress and stress is obviously something that 83 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: psychologists are quite concerned about and want to look into. 84 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:02,480 Speaker 1: Like I mentioned, I'm in a state of liminality at 85 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 1: the moment, I'm just about to move cities. I've kind 86 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: of like packed up my old life in Canberra where 87 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,600 Speaker 1: I was living. I graduated, I've kind of you know, 88 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: I'm preparing to move jobs and moved to Sydney, but 89 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm not quite there yet. So I'm in this weird 90 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: halfway point, staying with my family over Christmas and over 91 00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 1: the holidays, with one foot in my old life and 92 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: one foot like tentatively in my new one as well, 93 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 1: which is like quite exciting. But also that liminality state 94 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: is very emotionally stabilizing. And there's a reason that major 95 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: life shifts like moving cities or living relationships or jobs 96 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 1: can impact our mental health and why it is such 97 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: a big area of research and interest, and it comes 98 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 1: down to how the brain functions. So when you change, 99 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: when you forced your life to change, when you disrupt 100 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: your daily or pattern routine, it actually activates the conflict 101 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,919 Speaker 1: sensors in the brain and this causes brain chaos, and 102 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: that's what we call cognitive dissonance and all this kind 103 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: of research was done by this doctor called doctor Pelai, 104 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: who was an assistant professor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School. 105 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: The dog again in the background, But it's this activation 106 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: of the conflict sensor or the conflict area of the 107 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: brain that creates that stress in people, that creates that 108 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: dissonance or that chaos that we might often associate with 109 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: the stress of changing our lives and with most things 110 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: in the world of psychology, or just like life in general, 111 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 1: not everyone is really affected equally. So this doctor he 112 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:52,360 Speaker 1: suggests that personality firstly kind of determines how change impacts 113 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 1: our mental health. So for those who or who rate 114 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: high an openness to experience, they'll often seek out novel 115 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: and change is usually easier for them to manage because 116 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: it's something that they can adjust to. Perhaps their threshold 117 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: for stress is a lot higher or their brain and 118 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: the way that they made their temperament just means that 119 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: they do seek out opportunity more than others. But it's 120 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: those who feel most comfortable with the status quo of 121 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: how life has usually been that will find those big 122 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: changes or transitions to be more challenging just because who 123 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: they are and the way that their brain isn't necessarily 124 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: adapted or equipped to deal as easily with big changes 125 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: and big disruptions to how they tend to leave their lives. 126 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: Another thing that really impacts whether you see change or 127 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: something that's exciting or something that's a bit stressful is 128 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: the type of parents you have. So anxious parents, they 129 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: often pass down that worldview that life is filled with 130 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: danger and risk, and because of that kind of perception, 131 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: for them, the best course of action is to kind 132 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: of stick to what is safe and stick to what 133 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 1: is known. And it's often parents who have experienced trauma 134 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 1: or severe poverty or abusive upbringings that implicitly teach their 135 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,080 Speaker 1: own children that life is a dangerous and unpredictable thing 136 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: and to just stick to what is known, don't follow, 137 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: or don't kind of pursue too much change. And this 138 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: might be why we see you friends in our lives 139 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: or people in our lives who are young and who 140 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,200 Speaker 1: objectively have a lot of exciting opportunities in front of them, 141 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: remain kind of paralyzed by that fear of changing anything 142 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: because the change might lead to something unsafe. You know, 143 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: career change could lead to job loss and homelessness or 144 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: breaking up with a significant other would lead to dying alone. 145 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: Or you know, if you've been doing something a certain way, 146 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: pursuing a particular project or a business or an idea, 147 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 1: you know, getting a job for you might actually just 148 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: be incredibly disruptive. So for people also who have adjustment disorders, 149 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: which is a real thing, it's in the DSM, change 150 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: can also be particularly hard as the name kind of 151 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: makes it fairly obvious, like adjustment disorder. But basically what 152 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: this disorder is is it's an emotional or behavioral reaction 153 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 1: to a stressful event or change in a person's life. 154 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:25,080 Speaker 1: And this reaction is considered an unhealthy or excessive response 155 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: to kind of the thing that is happening, and often 156 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: happens within three months of that change happening. So there 157 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: are six different types I think from memory, six different 158 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: forms of adjustment disorders, which I'm not really going to 159 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: go into because a it's kind of boring. They're all 160 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 1: really similar and we don't really need any self diagnosis 161 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: going on around these parts. But basically, the disorder is 162 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 1: an inability to cope. And like I said, there's so 163 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: much literature on this because major life changes are a massive, 164 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: massive source of stress, not just the good not just 165 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: the bad ones like a death, but like also the 166 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 1: good ones. And if you have an adjustment disorder, it's 167 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: probably likely that those changes are not going to be 168 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: as easy or as fun as they might be for 169 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: other people. So an adjustment disorder it occurs when an 170 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: individual stresses kind of exceed their resources for coping. And 171 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: this is there's this woman called Nikki Nuts, and she's 172 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: a professor of psychology at this college in Florida, and 173 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: she does a lot of work into this, and she 174 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: says that your reaction with this disorder kind of becomes 175 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: disproportionate to the event you're reacting to. It's also called 176 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: situational depression. So the symptoms are similar to that of 177 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: other depressive disorders, like feelings of sadness, waves of anger, 178 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: and crying spells. However, unlike a depressive disorder or a 179 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: depressive episode, the symptoms are exclusively triggered by an outside 180 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 1: stressor and they kind of also Luckily for this person 181 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: or these people, they tend to resolve once the person 182 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 1: is kind of adjusted to the situation. But that three 183 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 1: month period, obviously it's going to kind of suck a lot, 184 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: and I'm sure we've I'm sure there's heaps of people 185 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: listening who've probably had this type of like disorder, even 186 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 1: temporarily in their lives or for a moment in time 187 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: when they've had a big life change and it's just 188 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: been too much to cope with. It's just too much 189 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: all at once, and in general. One of the major 190 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: reasons we struggle with change, even for those who don't 191 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: have this disorder, and why it can kind of result 192 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: in cognitive dissonance is the element of uncertainty. And uncertainty 193 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 1: it's been said it's kind of the enemy of our 194 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 1: biological impulses. Like going back to evolutionary psychology, if we're 195 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: unsure whether an animal is you know, a housecat or 196 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: some like awful beast or tiger, we're kind of in 197 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: trouble if we can't tell the difference, if we are 198 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,760 Speaker 1: uncertain about which it is. So our brain doesn't like 199 00:12:04,880 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 1: the odds of equations with unknown variables basically, so it 200 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 1: defaults to a negative bias for safety. So if you're 201 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: uncertain about something, your brain and your body obviously wants 202 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: to survive. So if one of the options is this 203 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: is going to be terrible or dangerous. In the other optional, 204 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: it's going to be safe and it's going to be amazing. Obviously, 205 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 1: if it's safe and amazing, there's nothing to worry about, 206 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: but there's also the fifty percent chance that it's not, 207 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: and that's the thing that our brain wants us to 208 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: kind of cope with. So it's going to respond as 209 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 1: if it's responding to that negative outcome. And there was 210 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: a study done and it showed that in people who 211 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: are uncertain, seventy five percent of people mispredict when bad 212 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:50,719 Speaker 1: things are going to happen. So this uncertainty bias, it 213 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,439 Speaker 1: kind of trains our brain to expect the worse. And 214 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that change is great and you should 215 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:00,960 Speaker 1: expect the best. It's like an amazing thing always, but 216 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: you should recognize that your brain, it kind of will 217 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: go into an automatic negativity bias and think about this 218 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 1: next time you kind of get an amazing job offer 219 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: and you think about the security of your current job, 220 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: or you know, you've decided you want to move cities, 221 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: but your brain is going to tell you. It's going 222 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: to speak to you as if this is going to 223 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: be a negative thing, because it's protecting you, which kind 224 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 1: of makes sense, and obviously our thoughts and our impulses 225 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: aren't entirely out of our control. And to kind of 226 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: help soothe the uncertainty that's causing the brain to fire 227 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: its stress response. It's stress senses of we've kind of 228 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: talked about. You can kind of use these like neutral 229 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 1: self talk phrases such as, like, you know, uncertainty, it 230 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 1: just means that I don't know the future. It doesn't 231 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: mean that the future is going to be bad. And 232 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: attempt to rationalize with your brain, intellectualize the kind of 233 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 1: stress that you're experiencing. This is one thing that my therapist, 234 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: who I've kind of ghosted recently, I need to get 235 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: back on that. But my therapist, she always says to 236 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: me when I'm worried about change and big moves like 237 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: the one I'm making now, which obviously we've talked about, 238 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: and what she tells me is to kind of turn 239 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: fear into something that is exciting. So in excitement and anxiety, 240 00:14:20,240 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: they activate the same areas of our brains, that being 241 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,560 Speaker 1: the amygdala and the hippocampus. They use the same kind 242 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: of neural and synaptic pathways, so by turning your anxiety 243 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: into excitement, you can ease any accompanying worry. I like 244 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 1: given example, So instead of thinking like kind of using 245 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: my example of moving to a new city, So instead 246 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 1: of thinking, you know, like will I make any friends? 247 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: What if I don't make friends? What if I'm not 248 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: financially stable? Will I even like my new life? Will 249 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: I be lonely? It's better to think of it in 250 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: terms of kind of a positive, excitement, anticipatory I like 251 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: way of thinking about it. So like thinking that thought 252 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: of like, oh am I going to make new friends, 253 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: instead of being like, oh what if I don't? Thinking 254 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: you know, who are the new people I'm going to 255 00:15:13,760 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: get the opportunity to meet? What exciting things will being 256 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: alone allow me to do? What opportunities or experiences will 257 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: I get to have that I can't even fathom yet, Like, 258 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: imagine all the people I'm going to meet who are 259 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: going to have a huge impact on my life, and 260 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't even know their names yet, Like I have 261 00:15:32,600 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: no idea who these people are. And that's like the 262 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: thing you can have fear, But that kind of that 263 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: thought of who these people are is really exciting instead, 264 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: and it activates the same areas of your brain. So 265 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: it kind of trips your brain into, yes, having that 266 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: fear response that it wants to have, but your perception 267 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: of it is so much different. And I know that, 268 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: like positive mindframe philosophy is kind of bullshit for some people, 269 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: has some doubts surrounding it, you know, like if you 270 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: just change your thoughts, you can change how you perceive 271 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: the world. Like obviously, if a parent has just died 272 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: me that I don't really seem any positives from that. 273 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 1: So this is kind of exclusively for things you kind 274 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: of voluntarily get to choose, but it is a pretty 275 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: powerful tactic for changing fear into excitement and it works. 276 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: Here's a quote I saw the other day, and yes 277 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 1: it was on Instagram, but it really did something for me. 278 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: Here it is so once we understand that crossing the 279 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:40,600 Speaker 1: river of change is the biological, neurological, chemical, and even 280 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: genetic death of the old self, we have power over 281 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: change and we can set our sights on the other 282 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: side of the river. Changing our lives and diving into 283 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: life changes shifts something really inherent to who we are 284 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 1: in the moment. By changing our surroundings, in our environment 285 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: and everything that we come into contact to contact with, 286 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like the death of our old selves. 287 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: And sometimes it is that period between your past life 288 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: and your new life that can be incredibly uncomfortable, that 289 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 1: liminality that we were talking about. And often life transitions 290 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 1: involve losses like death, the loss of a job or 291 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 1: a relationship ending, and even positive transitions like a graduation 292 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: or a job offer can make you feel a little 293 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 1: bit sad. And you know sad because the person we 294 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 1: were before in our old selves, our old lives, they 295 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: aren't bad and they are incredibly comfortable because we have 296 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: adjusted to the change that we made beforehand to be 297 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:50,919 Speaker 1: that person. But difficult and painful transitions they can actually 298 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:55,920 Speaker 1: yield great understanding of our life's purpose, which increases happiness 299 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: and decreases stress. So it's kind of better in the 300 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: long run eating a really gross vegetable. So there's heaps 301 00:18:02,920 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: of research on this and research on how people derive 302 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: a sense of purpose, and what it's found is that 303 00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 1: while periods of pain and struggle and change and transitions 304 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: can make us temporarily unhappy or lonely or worried, they 305 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: also make us feel as if our lives have more 306 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: meaning in the long run, So going through that challenging 307 00:18:27,359 --> 00:18:31,480 Speaker 1: time of moving cities or right after you've graduated, or 308 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:36,040 Speaker 1: there's just so many, so many kind of ways that 309 00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: our life changes. But whilst it may be hard in 310 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 1: the moment, it actually is a really good exercise to 311 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 1: for our minds and an exercise for our souls as well, 312 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: to kind of put things into perspective and realize what 313 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: we really want from life. And the most resilient people 314 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: will see change as an opportunity rather than kind of 315 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 1: a monster to fear, because they allow you to consider 316 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: where your priorities lie, which friends you stay in touch with, 317 00:19:02,560 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: what you want from your new life, what you want 318 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: from your new job, who is this new version of 319 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: you going to be, and what's really important to you, 320 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: Like where do you see yourself wasting your time and energy? 321 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: And what that kind of brings is a clear sense 322 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: of your goals and values. And you find that your 323 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: body and your mind can be much more resilient when 324 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: it comes to the stresses of change because all of 325 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: it is put into kind of a larger scale, and 326 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,880 Speaker 1: I think above all, prioritizing your health in life transitions 327 00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 1: kind of means not being afraid to ask for help 328 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: when you need it, especially if you're making a change 329 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,359 Speaker 1: whereby you're just naturally going to be disconnected from people 330 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: you may have previously had a lot of contact with. 331 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 1: It can be really, really lonely. And humans, like I 332 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: hear this said all the time. I can't believe I'm 333 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 1: going to stay it on my podcast, but it's so true. 334 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: Humans social creatures by nature, so you weren't built to 335 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 1: withstand every sudden event in life without the support of others. 336 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 1: You're not meant to just like try and force yourself 337 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: to be lonely because you think it's going to create independence. 338 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: It's important to kind of reach out. And I think 339 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 1: something that we need to remind ourselves and that we 340 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: kind of know is that it's all worth it in 341 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 1: the end. We know that otherwise we wouldn't make the leap. 342 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: There's something that is pushing you. We would always kind 343 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:34,919 Speaker 1: of stay the same until the world forces us to change. 344 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of like what I was talking about. There's 345 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 1: people who have that great openness to experience. You know, 346 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: I have so many friends who have just like completely 347 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: changed their lives around so many times, and it's not 348 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: a big deal. For them, they travel whenever they want, 349 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:53,360 Speaker 1: they change jobs whenever they want. But for others it's 350 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,480 Speaker 1: not that simple. But I think sometimes staying the same 351 00:20:56,520 --> 00:21:00,840 Speaker 1: as even more stressful and time consuming and takes concentration 352 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: and effort because things aren't always in our control, like 353 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: losing a job or getting dumped or surviving an accident. 354 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,960 Speaker 1: The world will push us if we don't do it 355 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,879 Speaker 1: for ourselves, So you may as well just take the 356 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 1: leap when you have the chance to be in control. 357 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: Like I think COVID was a really good example of this. 358 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: So many people who I think or like working jobs 359 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 1: they didn't like, or in cities where they didn't feel 360 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: connected to their family, or trying out the new identities 361 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: or pursuing careers or degrees they didn't like. When you 362 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:36,600 Speaker 1: go through something like COVID, it kind of forces you 363 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: to change. It forces you to kind of put things 364 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: into perspective and make a decision. And that's kind of 365 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: what life does. Like you cannot just stay the same, 366 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: like it's the world won't let you. But here's the 367 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: good news. I think even difficult, unwanted transitions are usually 368 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:59,120 Speaker 1: seen differently in retrospect than in real time. And there's 369 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: a psychologist called Feeler who studies liminality and life changes 370 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: and transitions quite extensively. Actually, he has a lot of 371 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 1: really interesting papers if you're into that. But he found 372 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: that ninety percent of the time the people he spoke 373 00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: with about their life changes, they ultimately judged their transition 374 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: to have been a success in so far that the 375 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: transition ended and they found themselves once again on solid ground. 376 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 1: Even better research also tends to show that we see 377 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: past events, even unwanted ones, as net positives over time, 378 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:37,879 Speaker 1: like getting fired from a job, even though in the 379 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: moment you might be stressing about financial security and missing 380 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: your work buddies, it's often judges a net positive over time. 381 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: And although our brains kind of have a tendency to 382 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: focus on negative emotions in the present, like we were 383 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: talking about that automatic kind of process, over the years, 384 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: unpleasant feelings fade more than pleasant feelings do. And it's 385 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: a phenomenon known as I think fading affect biased. Yeah, 386 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: fading effect bias. And it sounds like a cognitive error, 387 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,639 Speaker 1: but it isn't. It's not like our brain trying to 388 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 1: trick us. Almost every transition, even the most challenging ones 389 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: does bear some positive fruit. It just may take some 390 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,280 Speaker 1: time to see it and feel its effects, because in 391 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: the moment, our brain is so worried about that uncertainty 392 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: element and about what might go wrong and why we 393 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: need to have that fear. But in hindsight, when you're 394 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: no longer in that situation where your body is in 395 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: flight or fight kind of mode, you're kind of able 396 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 1: to appreciate it for what it is. And in his 397 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: book Meanings of Life, the psychologist Roy boomister boymister I 398 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: can't remember his name. It's called The Meanings of Life. 399 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's definitely not a very generic book title, 400 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: but this psychologist he argues that the sense of meaning 401 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: gain through change makes the rest of life seem more stable. 402 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 1: And this is one of the great constellations of aging 403 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: and seeing a lot of change, is that transitions likely 404 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: don't cause as much distress, and you might actually be 405 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,639 Speaker 1: happier because if you've gone through so many periods of 406 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,119 Speaker 1: ups and downs and roller coasters and transitions, you probably 407 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,920 Speaker 1: have a pretty stable sense of identity throughout that at all, 408 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: and some pretty good priorities about what you want from 409 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 1: your life and the one final thing about big life changes. 410 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,840 Speaker 1: I feel like this whole episode has just been me 411 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: trying to convince myself that moving cities isn't going to 412 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 1: be terrible. But another thing is difficult periods can really 413 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: stimulate innovation and ingenuity. A large amount of literature talks 414 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: about post traumatic growth, in which people derive long term 415 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: benefits from painful experiences, including more appreciation for life like 416 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: we've talked about, as well as richer relationships, greater resilience, 417 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: and deeper spirituality. And I think the richer relationships is 418 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: a big one because when people move, or when something 419 00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: changes in your life, if you decide to do something 420 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 1: completely different, you kind of realize who's really there for 421 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: you in a way, and who it's not just convenient 422 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: to be around, but who you actually kind of like 423 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: and really get along with. And another manifestation of this 424 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: growth is heightened heightened creativity. This is one of the 425 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: big reasons why I'm really excited for the next few 426 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 1: years of my life, because I think struggle and change 427 00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,080 Speaker 1: really pushes the kind of limits of how your brain 428 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: sees the world. And I've seen this already, like breakups 429 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,679 Speaker 1: are probably the best example of a big kind of 430 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: shift in your life, kind of chasmic, chaotic violence. Shift 431 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: and change like that brings so many emotions to deal 432 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: with and process, and that can really fuel our creative 433 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: process because to move past difficult times, you really have 434 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: to embrace them and work through them, and work through 435 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 1: this sludge and the mud of all the terrible shit 436 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: that's kind of clogged up in your brain and you 437 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,199 Speaker 1: have to feel every moment and creating something from that 438 00:26:05,359 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 1: is such a good outlet. And I think if you 439 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: have a mind like that, that's often where it's going 440 00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,360 Speaker 1: to go in times of change and transition and stress. 441 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: What a ramble that has kind of been. Like I said, 442 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,680 Speaker 1: I feel like this episode is just me trying to 443 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:29,239 Speaker 1: convince myself that this is a good idea. I don't know, 444 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,159 Speaker 1: maybe I should do like a follow up episode in 445 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: a year's time, And I like, if you guys have 446 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 1: seen those like Billie Eilish videos where they like record 447 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: her every year asking her the same questions, it'd be 448 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: interesting to listen back to this episode in a year's 449 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: time after I've made the move and see if my 450 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: predictions about adjustment and cognitive dissonance and new priorities and 451 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 1: creativity are right, or whether I'm just like full of 452 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 1: crap or the literature it's just like full of crap. 453 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: But yeah, thank you so much for listening. Also, you 454 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: guys have been really hyping the podcast up recently. Thanks 455 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: so much for that. I really appreciate it. And, like 456 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: I always say, if you want to support us or 457 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: I don't know why I say us, it's just me, 458 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,200 Speaker 1: but if you want to support me and the podcast more, 459 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: a really great way to do that is to leave 460 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: a review on Apple Podcasts if you have an iPhone. 461 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: Kind of allows more people to find this content and 462 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,640 Speaker 1: to hear my voice. It's kind of weird to say that, 463 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: but if you do feel cool to leave a review, 464 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Really does help us grow. Once again, 465 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,200 Speaker 1: it helps me grow and brings kind of more listeners 466 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: to this space in the world space in the metaverse. 467 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 1: If you're going through a big life transition as well 468 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,360 Speaker 1: as I'm sure many of you are, I know it's 469 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: the end of the year, so graduations just happened. Everyone's moving, 470 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: I can feel it all around. Then hopefully this kind 471 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: of brought some insights into what you might be experiencing 472 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: and why it's maybe normal or what to expect and 473 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: why at the end of the day, it's really just 474 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 1: kind of worth it. So thanks for tuning in and listening. 475 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:17,320 Speaker 1: Wherever you're listening, I hope you're having an amazing afternoon, morning, evening, 476 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 1: just an amazing day. And thanks for listening to the 477 00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:26,240 Speaker 1: very end. You're my very special listener and you'll be 478 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: hearing from me very soon. That's a bit weird, but anyhow, 479 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: thanks guys, and have a lovely, lovely day.