1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: Welcome to Episode one four with Joy Williams. And we 2 00:00:05,000 --> 00:00:06,920 Speaker 1: were talking beforehand. I was like, okay, just hit record 3 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: because I don't know you. That's a good question. We 4 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: were talking. You and I were talking about you said 5 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:18,080 Speaker 1: you're toward, but you're touring whenever. Right when you have kids? Yeah, 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,159 Speaker 1: right when I had Poppy, I did it was I 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: did that in the Civil Wars somehow. It was like 8 00:00:22,160 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: found out I was pregnant and like on a fifty 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: city tour like two days in and I was like, cool, 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: that sounds fun. So I went on the road and 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: played gigs till I was literally nine months pregnant and 12 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: played Bonaroo and then had my son like a week later. 13 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: You played nine months pregnant? Yeah, I sure did. What 14 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 1: is it like? And this was a question that I 15 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: had for Carrie Underwood was that she was singing her 16 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:46,599 Speaker 1: brains out eight to nine months pregnant. And I was like, man, 17 00:00:46,680 --> 00:00:49,199 Speaker 1: don doesn't make you have to pee like it makes 18 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: you have to do a whole lot of things, Bobby, 19 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: But and peing is one of them. But and like 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: hyperventilating is also one of them, because you as the 21 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 1: baby grows, it just rests on your like all your 22 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: organs and it's and they moved up coinci your ribs 23 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: actually expand. So it's a weird thing to be um 24 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: singing that pregnant. But I was like we had just 25 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: said a minute ago. Somehow I tend to make people 26 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: and uh and music all the same time, So it 27 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: seems to work out that way. You like having babies, Um, 28 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: I like the people. I don't enjoy the pregnancies. I 29 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 1: don't have easy ones. No, I have like the twenty 30 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: four hour a day sickness, like like throw up if 31 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: I stand up kind of vibes. And I was doing 32 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:30,960 Speaker 1: that on on the road with Miles he's now six 33 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: and a half. And then um, I was just like 34 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: laid out with Poppy, she's now five months pregnant. It 35 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: was like it was brutal, but again I was like, well, 36 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: surely I'll get over this at some point in time. 37 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: All this nausea. We ended up going in the studio 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: and I was three and a half four months pregnant, 39 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: and I thought, you know what, this all this nausea 40 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: is going to make me really really honest. So how 41 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: I sang. I just sat on a stool and saying 42 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: because I was like, I can't. I literally can't try. 43 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: There's no need to. I just need to show up 44 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: and try and tell the truth was all this music 45 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: and you know, and I I was like, screw trying 46 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 1: to be perfect, because it doesn't it doesn't really exist anyways. 47 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: So I just sat there and sang and we just 48 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 1: pressed record and it was like full performances and it 49 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: just felt right that way. I think I used to 50 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: be used to be like, oh, it has to be 51 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: just so, but it doesn't work that way from me anymore. 52 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 1: Life's handed me my ask too many times, you know 53 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm such a big fan and until 54 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 1: today we hadn't met. We had talked on Instagram a 55 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 1: little bit. I think the first time that we had one, 56 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: I think I was tagging your music. I'm a big 57 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: fan of your music, um, Civil Wars and in the 58 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: new stuff too, especially, And that was while Dancing with 59 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: the Stars was happening, and we're like in your trailer, 60 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: just like waiting, that's right. That's when the music started 61 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: to recome out again. That's what I associate because I 62 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 1: would listen to it. I was getting no sleep on 63 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: that show, and bet you and I would play the 64 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 1: Trouble with Wanting right, And I would play that over 65 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,400 Speaker 1: and over on a loop, just trying to get any 66 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: sleep in my trailer because it would calm me down. 67 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: So my music put you to sleep. I only listen 68 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: to slow music. That's it. That's it, like all my music. 69 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: I think my most played song right now for like 70 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: the last two years is Everybody Hurts from r M. 71 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: I've literally was just talking about that song today, like 72 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: that's my tempo. Yeah, my, that's my speed too. I 73 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: remember the where were you the first time you heard it? 74 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: I remember seeing the video the first time, him walking 75 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: across the top of the cars, and so I had 76 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: to be Mike. If you look at what year that was, 77 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: I'm thirty eight, so I was probably so, yeah, we're 78 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: not too far away from each other age wise. And 79 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: I remember going that's and I remember losing my religion 80 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 1: and I was a fan, but I was like, this 81 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 1: is the craziest video I've ever seen. So I remember 82 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: watching it on tell of it. I don't remember where 83 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: I was, but I do remember it seeing it. I 84 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: remember sitting in my um. One of my best friends, 85 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: her older sister, was like an R e M fan, 86 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: just like freak fan and um like play just playing 87 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: it over and over in her room. And I just 88 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: remember laying on this like really terrible beige carpet and 89 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: hearing that song and just being like, oh my god, 90 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: I feel like he wrote that song for me. I 91 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:13,400 Speaker 1: still feel like that song is written for me. I know. 92 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: That's where music is so good is when it it's 93 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: like it's that um, it's that connective thing. It doesn't 94 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: even matter how old the song is. I mean, there's 95 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: so many great songs like that in the history of music. 96 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: But I just, man, I love that you mentioned it today. 97 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 1: When was it for you that you heard a song 98 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: or an artist and you went, oh, they're actually speaking 99 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:37,039 Speaker 1: for me, because John Mayer was the first one to 100 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: do it for me. I was going to ask you 101 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: that that's what John Mary would be for you. Yeah, 102 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: when I heard, um, what's the there's three or four 103 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 1: songs from Continuum, what's the song I have downstairs? Now? 104 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: My mind my mind is slept, and I have written downstairs. Yeah, 105 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: stop this training. Thank you? Aren't you glad you have him? Know? 106 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: What would you do without it? I have? And because 107 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: John Mary's about our age and the lyric is, I'm 108 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: so scared of getting older. I'm only good at being young. 109 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: And the first time I heard, I was like, oh 110 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: my god, that's how I feel. Like, like everything that 111 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: I was doing, I was ahead of the curve doing it. 112 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: But I thought, when I'm normal age, I'm not gonna 113 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: be good at this anymore. I'm only good at it 114 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: because I'm young. Do you think that's why you're such 115 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: a like? It seems like everything you do you go 116 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: so full on. It's amazing to me, like how much 117 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: you're able to accomplish, and like what you are able 118 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 1: to do, and like, have you always been wired that way? 119 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 1: That's kind of you to say joy, but I don't. 120 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: I'm not kissing your ass. I'm just saying, like you, 121 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: I don't even know how you sleep, like you've actually 122 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: known a lot. But I think it comes from having 123 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: to survive as a kid. You know, I didn't have 124 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 1: a mom. I have a dad. My mom was a 125 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: drug addict and so I'm really young, right, yeah, and 126 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: really young and she died in her forties. But I 127 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:57,560 Speaker 1: had to you know, work to eat at Yes, your hustle, 128 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: that hustles like in your veins, normal and people be like, 129 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: how do you do it? And I'm like, well, it's 130 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 1: how do I not do it? Is maybe more of 131 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: your question. And we were talking before you came in. 132 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 1: You were like, man, when you're gonna slow it? And 133 00:06:07,200 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know how. Yeah, and I have 134 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: to because I have a girlfriend. I'm not married. I like, 135 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: I get quite lonely. That's why I listened to listen 136 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 1: to That's why I listen to some songs that keep 137 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: you company and so but I think that's what it is. Yeah, 138 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 1: but okay, what about you? You can't talk to? The 139 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: question when was the first the first either song or 140 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: artists that you heard, and you went, oh, not only 141 00:06:28,880 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: do I like the music, but like that actually is 142 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: my voice? God? I mean I was. I grew up 143 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: in a really really conservative household, so like what I 144 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 1: was able to listen to is really really regulated, which 145 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: is why when I got my driver's license, I was like, hell, yes, um, 146 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: But I would say that I remember this might sound odd, 147 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: but I remember it hearing Billie Holiday saying for the 148 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: first time and being like, oh my god, this, this 149 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: amazing soul is coming out of my speakers, Like where 150 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: did this person come from, Like what is her story? 151 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,320 Speaker 1: How do I like? I mean, I would I would 152 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:06,960 Speaker 1: spend hours trying to emulate how she's saying, which it's 153 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: almost impossible to do. And like the lilt and the 154 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: like the squeak and the cracks and the breaks, was 155 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: like how she sang everything. Um, it just arrested me. 156 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: And I know that that's not like a super cool 157 00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I I think she's cool. I think she's amazing, 158 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: but like it wasn't like an age appropriate, you know 159 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: what I mean. I was sixte or seventeen. It's not cool. 160 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: It's really cool to be yeah, I mean, and I 161 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: was like sucked into the vortex of boy bands, just 162 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: like any other high school kid was too. But but 163 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: like when I was home by myself, like I would 164 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: put on Billie Holiday, I just felt like the ache 165 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: of what she was singing, no matter if it was 166 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: happy or sad, it was just like it always had 167 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: this tinge of sadness and I just felt, I don't 168 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: know somehow that that melancholy and telling the truth and 169 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,320 Speaker 1: it being like all kinds of like dysfunctional, and I 170 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: mean the the like the song she's saying, they weren't Um, 171 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,840 Speaker 1: they weren't like always walks in the park, like she 172 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: talked about really really terrible relationships and she I don't know, 173 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 1: I just loved how ballsy she was, and then being 174 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: so rebellious to sing something like strange Fruit was pretty 175 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 1: life altering when I realized what that song was about. So, um, 176 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I love ferocity, I love quiet rebellion, 177 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: and I think that that's that's probably where where that 178 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: first like hit me the first time with Billie Holiday? 179 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: Where did your em come from? Where's my emo? Uh? 180 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: I've kind of always been that way, but I think Okay, 181 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: a black sheep of the family, um Blake, I would say, 182 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: be like on the on the sort of like um 183 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: astrological signs, etcetera, etcetera. If you're into that kind of stuff, 184 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: I'm I am. I am, like, I'm halfway into that 185 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: stuff can be halfway in I am. So I guess 186 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,559 Speaker 1: I think I think it's really fascinating. I'll just say that. 187 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: And I'm a triple Scorpio, so like in multiple houses 188 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 1: like my son Moon and all that stuff, I'm Scorpio. 189 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: And so I guess apparently we're always we're always like 190 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: going around in the dark and like lifting up every 191 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: like what's underneath this rock and what's underneath this rock? 192 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,839 Speaker 1: So I've always kind of been that way. I don't 193 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: know if it's the stars or if it's just um 194 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: the way I was raised to I always I was 195 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: always the kid that was like kind of taking the 196 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: emotional temperature of everybody in my family. So I don't know. 197 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: How about you. I don't know that I'm emo. I 198 00:09:33,080 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 1: don't think you. I mean, I'm not terribly emo, how 199 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: she says while she's wearing all black, I should take 200 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: it back, Oh my god. And again, I'm so drawn 201 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: to your music because it does feel very emo, at 202 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: least to me. Emo in what way though? Emo? And 203 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: there's always just an emotion to your voice and your lyric. 204 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: It doesn't always have to be I'm going to lock 205 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: myself in my closet. But nope, I haven't written that 206 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 1: song either. Yeah, yeah, that doesn't have to be the 207 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,719 Speaker 1: emo side of it. But your music, I don't ever 208 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: listen to your music and go in your music now 209 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: or your music with Civil Wars and go oh well, 210 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: that's just just just a fun song for the time 211 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 1: to pass by. That's never happened to me. But the 212 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: single one of you guys, and you know even Front Porch, 213 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: which is is that the last one that you put out. Yeah, 214 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,720 Speaker 1: it's not even out yet. It comes out, it comes 215 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 1: out there, it's out. The song is out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 216 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:33,839 Speaker 1: sorry I was. I was like, she's lying, and I 217 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: know it's out because I love to do it all 218 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: the people like Honey that is on Spotify. Yeah, no, no, no, 219 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: the record. Sorry when you say front Porch, I think 220 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: because it's the title track to the album. Yeah, the 221 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 1: song front Porch is also out. Play a little bit 222 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: of this and so when I hear this, there's an 223 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:51,080 Speaker 1: emotion to everything that you do. That's why I ask. 224 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: I don't again, I don't ever there's not a chumba 225 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: womba in the mix of your songs. I think there 226 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 1: should just only ever be one chumbawamba. Okay enough, but 227 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: U but yeah, I don't know. I mean, I love 228 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: I love the art of conversation. I love sitting across 229 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: the table like this and hearing stories. And I think 230 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: that's what makes music so special to me, is that 231 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:17,400 Speaker 1: you get the chance to tell a story and you 232 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: have to be really, really concise you know, have you 233 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 1: put the video out for that yet? It's so good. 234 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: It's like, I know I've seen it. Yeah, I I 235 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 1: messaged you because I don't ever watch anything early. But 236 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: I'm such a big fan, dude, I said, we sent it. 237 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 1: We sent it. I'm so glad you like it. It's 238 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: so good. And I don't give a crap out video. 239 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: I tell my friends and like, don't waste some money 240 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: on a video that's amazing. Well, this was not a waste. 241 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: I'm so I'm seriously so stoked about this music video 242 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:44,719 Speaker 1: coming up. When does it come out? Because by the 243 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: time people hear this and maybe out, well it's not 244 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: going to be out by the time. Maybe it's it's 245 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 1: going to be right around the time. Well people listen 246 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: for years, don't Yeah, I don't know. If I tell you, 247 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: we have to kill you. But February it's going to 248 00:11:56,520 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: be coming out in the spring. Yeah, okay, yeah, so listen. 249 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: I can't tell you that weird people will listen to 250 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: this thing for years and years. These podcasts are evergreen, 251 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:08,840 Speaker 1: So so no pressure, Bobby, I'm up. You know who 252 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: messaged me about that's because I I don't put a 253 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:14,360 Speaker 1: lot of songs on my Instagram maybe a couple of 254 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 1: weeks and I put that up I think last week, 255 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: UM in a clip and Buzzby message me yeah, and 256 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: he was like, I love this song. And I guess 257 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: Emily Shackleton, yes, who writes for him. I wrote it 258 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: with you, Yeah, and Liz Rose too. We sat we 259 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: literally sat in UM at Lizz's house and it's like, 260 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: there's like this mov there's mob room in her house 261 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: with a big window. And it was nighttime and we 262 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: showed up when we drank red wine and I was 263 00:12:42,800 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: I was talking to her about you know, I come 264 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: back from Venice Beach after making the record Venus, which 265 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: is the one before this, and it was totally like 266 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: a sonic experiment for me. I just had to get 267 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: out of Nashville, had to get a way to clear 268 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: my head and get out of town after the Civil 269 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: Wars imploded and um, and plus my dad was passing 270 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: away from cancer and at the time, and so I 271 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: wanted to be closer on the West coast where he was. 272 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 1: So I was like, well, move to l A and 273 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 1: do that. UM. But after my dad passed away, it 274 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: was kind of and I made the record. I was 275 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: kind of like, I just want to go home, and 276 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 1: it was weird. I'd never talked about Nashville as if 277 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,040 Speaker 1: it was home. That had always just been like I 278 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 1: grew up here in California. But something changed when my 279 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: dad passed, and I just was like I miss my 280 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:24,959 Speaker 1: I missed my people, and I missed my house. And 281 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: so we came back and I started writing slowly but surely, 282 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, And when Liz and Emily were available to write, 283 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: we sat in that room and I just said, you know, 284 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: what I feel like in my life right now, what 285 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: I'm what I've been going through is that, um, I'm 286 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: really starting to understand that the simple things in life 287 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 1: are sometimes the most beautiful ones. And I've spent so 288 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: much of my life like looking ahead to whatever was 289 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 1: next and then what's after that and what's after that? 290 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: And I said, I really feel like what I'm learning 291 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 1: is to like enjoy just simply where I am. And 292 00:13:58,880 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: and that's like a bub in the you know, in 293 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: the SuDS while I'm doing the dishes that has a 294 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: rainbow in it, or like you know, like the the 295 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: like hurricane that my house looks like because my kids 296 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,840 Speaker 1: have been playing and stuff like that, and and I said, 297 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: so I think there's a simplification that I really feel 298 00:14:14,080 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: like it's happening not only for me in my life, 299 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:17,599 Speaker 1: but I want I want to go back to a 300 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: simpler sound than I did Venus. And I said, and 301 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: I've been, you know, been talking about like, if I 302 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: can't play it on the front porch, it's probably not 303 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,400 Speaker 1: for me. And Liz in her like salty voice, was 304 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: just like, well, have you've written a song called front Porch? 305 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 1: I was like no, And then it just flowed out. 306 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: It was so easy to write. And those are like 307 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: that you sometimes you have to wrestle the bear, but 308 00:14:38,800 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 1: that one, it was just it just kind of flowed 309 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: right out. Yeah, play a little bit more of that fun, 310 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: come on back to the portch this new project. If 311 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: three songs out, yes, I'll play one more. This is Canary. 312 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: I mean these songs. I've played these songs so many times. 313 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:08,160 Speaker 1: I how do you kidding they're are? Because I keep 314 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: about fifteen songs on my current playlist and I'll rotate 315 00:15:12,080 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: them in an outlet, all three of these. But it's 316 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: just like you you are my style of music. Well, thanks, 317 00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: like sing it slow, It's good well, it's like I 318 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: think it's fun too. It's it's like it's like the 319 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: French way, you know, it's like how do you how 320 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: do you take a few things and like and really 321 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: make it sing? And you know, I'm not I like 322 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: listening to music that has like a ton of elements 323 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 1: to it, but that's just the more the more stuff 324 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: I add to the music I'm making, I feel like 325 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: the less it means something at least to me where 326 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 1: my voice somehow it just changes. So I don't know, 327 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: it was I was just kind of like, all right, 328 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: what happens if I just remove almost everything except like 329 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: really really what's necessary and what's there? So it's it's 330 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: like it's it's not just a singer songwriter record and 331 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: that it's like just a guitar and vocal. You know, 332 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: we have a lot of instrumentation, but the whole process 333 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: in the in the time in studio with Kenneth Patt 334 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 1: and Gale who produced it with me, Um, you know, 335 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: I was, I was like, my requirement for all these 336 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: players is that they be empathetic players, because like I 337 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 1: just needs to be like smatterings. It doesn't need to 338 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: be like just blazing up a track, and it was 339 00:16:19,920 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: really fun in studio making the music. It was like 340 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: I've never laughed harder. And we recorded fifteen songs in 341 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,359 Speaker 1: five days and it was like the most effortless experience, 342 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: and it was it was just it was just so 343 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: much fun. I'm talking a lot. I must you know 344 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: what this is? What this is for? Oh? Yeah, right, 345 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 1: this is this is what you get paid to do. 346 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: You you mentioned your dad. Was he a pastor? He 347 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: was what what denomination was it? He well, it's kind 348 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: of an interesting thing, like he'd probably have been like 349 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 1: under the moniker of like Presbyterian, but he he was ordained, 350 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: so he would joke that he could marry and bury people. Um. 351 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: But what he did was he actually he worked on 352 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill and then worked for IBM, and then got 353 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: really disenchanted like with everything about all of that. Yeah. Yeah, 354 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: he was a good human, Yeah, and he was just 355 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: like I don't I don't want to do this anymore. 356 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: And so what he ended up doing was he'd already 357 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:18,680 Speaker 1: had his ordination like a long time ago. So what 358 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: he wind up doing was being the executive director of 359 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: like a bunch of Christian retreat centers. So it was 360 00:17:25,400 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 1: it was an interesting thing like grow I grew up 361 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: in Santa Cruz, I was. I lived a couple other places, 362 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: like in the Midwest and the East Coast and then 363 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 1: but out to Santa Cruz before I was ten, And 364 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: it is always like the weirdest paradox. I grew up 365 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:43,240 Speaker 1: in this like like faith based kind of retreat center, 366 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: like in the middle of Santa Cruz County, which is 367 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 1: just like like fly that freak flag, like like the 368 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: smell of weed permeating every part, like tied all over 369 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: the place. And I don't know, I feel like that 370 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: was a really um fun way to grow up, but 371 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: it was also kind of confusing at times. But um, 372 00:18:00,800 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: but yeah, so my dad was my dad, Like uh, 373 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: I didn't have a church that he was like the 374 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 1: head of, but he he was in charge of like 375 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: a hundred plus employees like at this conference and retreat center. 376 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: Did you feel like a pastor of kid A thousand 377 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: percent A thousand percent kid, Yeah, there's a pressure. And 378 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: I had friends that were the preacher's daughters, your sons. 379 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: Was that did you feel that? Yeah, I'm nodding on 380 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: a podcast, Joy say yes, Um, yeah, I totally did. 381 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean it was it was sort of like, hey, 382 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: everybody's watching, like like, don't suck this up, you know. 383 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:39,119 Speaker 1: And and I I think for a long time I 384 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: kind of went by that whole like gold Star Moniker 385 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 1: of like I will show you how great I can be. 386 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 1: And you know, I think life has a funny way 387 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: of of making you like check that at the door 388 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: and um, and I think the Civil Wars was one 389 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: of those one of those moments um for me too 390 00:18:55,680 --> 00:18:58,239 Speaker 1: of just like, well, that didn't go nearly the way 391 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: that I thought it was going to. But um, but 392 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: you know what, I don't know, the more I go 393 00:19:03,560 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: in life, the more I go, you know what, you 394 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 1: can get hard and bitter about all that stuff. Um, 395 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: when things don't go your way or when you lose, 396 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: but or you can it can make you kinder. And 397 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: that's that's what I'm that's at least what I want 398 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: to hope that I can become more like no matter 399 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 1: what happens to me, I feel like in the same 400 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: you know kind of world that you speak of. It 401 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: it's made me more empathetic and more understanding. And I 402 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: don't know if I'm able to be kinder or not, 403 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: but I'm more understanding. Yeah, that's a good way of 404 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: saying that, Bobby. Yeah you've man, you've been through it. 405 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: We've listen, We've we've all been through it. You know, 406 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:43,959 Speaker 1: we have our own crap in all different ways. I'm 407 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: a big believer that my crap is any more important 408 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 1: or different than anyone else's. But I think that there 409 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:51,679 Speaker 1: are parts that I can understand. And I don't think 410 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 1: it makes me a better person. I don't even know 411 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: if it makes me kinder. I just understand that struggle. Yeah, 412 00:19:56,119 --> 00:19:58,360 Speaker 1: you get the pain. Yeah, you get the pain, that's 413 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: for sure to geta And people may look and go, 414 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: what a dick he doesn't even understand. Yeah. So I 415 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,439 Speaker 1: don't know that I'm a good person in a lot 416 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: of ways, but I think i'm a wonderful person another 417 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: And I think we're just right at this meeting. We're 418 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 1: always trying to find that meter. Yeah, I think we're 419 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: all just I think that's partly. I mean, that's funny 420 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: that you say that, because I say a lot all 421 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: we want to do is just be seen and appreciated 422 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: and love for who we actually are, not the facade 423 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: or like what we can give other people. It's like Hey, 424 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: if you can see me and appreciate me, that's like 425 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: a great starting point. And I feel like that for everybody, 426 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 1: you know. I tell my son that that's how we 427 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 1: like we get to approach life and just people in general. 428 00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: It is like there's always something you can learn from 429 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: every single person you meet. And um, everybody just wants 430 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: to be loved and seen and appreciated. And you know, 431 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: it's funny you say, preachers Are you a preacher's daughter? 432 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,120 Speaker 1: Whose actually wrote a song on my record that's called 433 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: preachers Daughter? And yeah, and and I think it's in 434 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,960 Speaker 1: a similar vein of like just wanting to be seen 435 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: and known and loved and um and what that looks like. 436 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: And that's hard sometimes in family to feel that, um, 437 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: you know, putting the phone and dysfunction um that we 438 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: all have. But I don't know. I think it's it's 439 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: important to own where we are, you know. And and 440 00:21:14,320 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: I think asking the questions it's really important as opposed 441 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: to just like racing into some kind of like foe answer. 442 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 1: So the one of my friends, I said, hey, Joy 443 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: Williams coming over, and he was like, ask her if 444 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 1: it's true. I guess there's I didn't know this. There's 445 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,320 Speaker 1: an urban legend that you learned to sing by hearing 446 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: animals and you start to harmonize with animals. Um no, 447 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: but I really want that to be true. I'm sure 448 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: you've heard that. You haven't heard that Bobby who is 449 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: your who are your friends? At someone in music and 450 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: he said, he said, this is what I heard, because 451 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: he said you as a kid, he would have walked 452 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: through the woods and like birds would be, you know, charping, 453 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: and that you would harmonize with the birds. And that's 454 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: how your boy sounds like it is. Oh my god, 455 00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: I love the story. They're not like Dr Doolittle, no 456 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: meat snow white. No, I'm totally not. I wish I 457 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,639 Speaker 1: really wish I was. I mean, there's the only thing 458 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: that's true about that is that I would walk through 459 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 1: the forest. We were like poorest church mice when we 460 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: lived in Michigan. Right when I was growing up in 461 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: my my mom would uh take just get us out 462 00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: of the house. I think she was just like, I 463 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 1: cannot handle my children, so we would just get out 464 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: and go on nature walks. But it's actually my mom 465 00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: that taught me how to harmonize because she, um, she 466 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 1: was a singer as well. But um but I really man, 467 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: I should just I'm gonna keep it and I'm getting 468 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,719 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm going to go with this. And that's 469 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: where Canary came from. 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I have used life 510 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: flock to. You've helped me so many times life flock 511 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,119 Speaker 1: dot com. All right, Um, why don't we talk? Because 512 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 1: as a kid, I guess why did you start singing? 513 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: Because you did Christian music for a while. There are 514 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: things I didn't know. I don't know you'd want so 515 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: many awards, like I guess I don't keep up with 516 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 1: that stuff, want so many awards. I don't know you 517 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: want all the double or any need. I won zero 518 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: of Wikipedia because and I hate just doing the Wikipedia 519 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 1: thing because it lies about me too. There's all kinds 520 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: of crap wig, but is it not true? But what 521 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 1: it does do is it gives you those graphs. And 522 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 1: so I scrolled the graphs and I saw all the doves. Yeah, 523 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: I guess I thought you want no once a bridesmaid 524 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: or always a bridesmaid, never bride that one. Um, yeah, 525 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: I got nominated and did I was in that genre 526 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: for a long time. I mean I started at seventeen 527 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: because it wasn't that long, but when you're not young, 528 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 1: it can feel that long. But yeah, I just I 529 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 1: felt like, um, I felt like my world view just 530 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: started shifting a whole lot. I just couldn't keep doing it. 531 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: So I actually asked out of my record deal at 532 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: basically the peak of my career at that point, which 533 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 1: is you can imagine how well that went over. Um, 534 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 1: but I just couldn't do it anymore. So I actually 535 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: left and sat on my couch for like a good 536 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: solid six months and then worked at a friend's boutique 537 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: in Green Hills, getting size, different sizes shirts for various 538 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: country stars. Yeah. Yeah, I was working at a shop 539 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,399 Speaker 1: called Habit and Um, and I was selling ads for 540 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:13,200 Speaker 1: a music magazine and then got called back by some 541 00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 1: of my friends that were making music and asked if 542 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: I could start writing for them, and I was like, oh, 543 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,119 Speaker 1: I can do this. I do like this, and then 544 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 1: got a pub deal and then I started writing jingles 545 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: for TV and film And that's how that's that's where 546 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,920 Speaker 1: the seedbed of all the money that my husband and 547 00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:32,280 Speaker 1: I and Nate were able to put into the Civil 548 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: Wars because we fully funded that ourselves. And yeah, and 549 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: and the rest. They say it's history. Okay, let me rewind. 550 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: Could you said something that I want to go back to. 551 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 1: You used to get shirts for country singers? Yeah, who 552 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: would come into the store. Um I would um am 553 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: I allowed to say this. I don't want to be like, 554 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: I guess there's nothing they used to shop because they're 555 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,000 Speaker 1: like a hippo law. I don't know. I just like 556 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,919 Speaker 1: I remember Faith Hill would come into the store a lot. 557 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: She was always really sweet. Reba came in one time. Um. Yeah, 558 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: there was a bunch of there was a bunch of 559 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 1: artists that would come through and imagine like imagine if 560 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: you will, like you know, I've been on the road. 561 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: I've done this for a while. Not in country obviously, 562 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: but I'm sitting I'm sitting there being like in your 563 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 1: total is just being like what is happening to my life? 564 00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: And it was twenty three but it was really good 565 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: for me because I think I started so young that 566 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 1: I was really used to that that sort of like um, 567 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: the buzz of applause. I was really used to that. 568 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: I didn't realize how much i'd kind of been addicted 569 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: to that, and then it used to never done cocaine, 570 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,640 Speaker 1: but it was like it was like I think I realized, 571 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 1: like I thought it was like a cocaine high when 572 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,680 Speaker 1: it was really just like a diet coke buzz and 573 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 1: and it was really good for me to kind of 574 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I'm alright if I don't do music. 575 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 1: And then somehow, once I let it go, that's when 576 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: it as you know, as they say, like once you 577 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: let it go, it can come back to you somehow. 578 00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: So it's weird. I've had many different chapters of making music, 579 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 1: you know, like faith based music and then leaving that 580 00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,639 Speaker 1: and then like TV film music and then um, you know, 581 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: um go into a songwriting camp. Um for that the 582 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: sir Letic Brothers started for this band called Gloriana. And 583 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: she winked at me when she said that you can't 584 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: you caldn't see that, you know, I used to date 585 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 1: Rachel that a little Bertie told me today actually um 586 00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: but um. And then it was like a different life, 587 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: don't Yeah, I get it for sure. But and then 588 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: it was like the Civil Wars happened, and then back 589 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,800 Speaker 1: to solo. So there's just been like lots of iterations. 590 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: But I guess that's how life works, you know, you 591 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 1: just don't quite know how it's gonna wind and bend. 592 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: Did you miss the applause? I didn't realize how much 593 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 1: I'd gotten used to it. So yeah, did you find 594 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 1: your love on? Because I have found that, like I 595 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: think on a stage when I do stand up or 596 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: which is so brave of you, my god, it's all 597 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 1: the same for any of us to go and expose 598 00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 1: ourselves and go please love me, because that's basically what 599 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm doing. It's like I'm walking out 600 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: there and your heart just like and I'm just like, 601 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 1: please love me, Bobby. But I think, yeah, whether it's 602 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: a stage or not, don't you think? But I think 603 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: I think for me, I've again like I've had when 604 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: the Civil Wars ended, I've been called every name in 605 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 1: the book, you know, I've like I've I've experienced the 606 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 1: heights of applause and like the matching tattoos that I've 607 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:31,680 Speaker 1: gotten with you know, A level artists, and then I've 608 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: gotten the I've gotten the like, oh my god, I 609 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: can't believe that someone actually called me that they have 610 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,560 Speaker 1: no idea what they're talking about and so I think 611 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:42,200 Speaker 1: I remember someone saying at one point, if you believe 612 00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,160 Speaker 1: your good press, you're gonna have to believe all you're bad. 613 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: So I think I don't know. I was a lot 614 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: more that way up to the ending of the Civil Wars, 615 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: and then it was like, oh wow, kind of like 616 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: the everything I've been working so hard to like like me, 617 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: like me, like me, love me, love me, love me, Um, 618 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:06,800 Speaker 1: it backfired And and I'm still breathing, And that's really 619 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: good to know. And I think it helped me UM 620 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: move forward at least in a different way. But it's 621 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: still it's really vulnerable to get up on stage, like 622 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: you hope people like what you make, otherwise you don't 623 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: have a gig. You know. It's like cooking as well. 624 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 1: Like I think music is a lot like cooking. It's 625 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: like it's fun to make it for yourself, but at 626 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 1: the end of the day, it's a lot more enjoyable 627 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: when it's shared and and and people are at the 628 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 1: table and like digging in. You know that that feels 629 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:38,680 Speaker 1: a lot better to me, UM, But I can't control it. 630 00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: And I think that's that's maybe the part that I'm 631 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 1: getting to is. I can't control it. All I can 632 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: do is just show up and make what I make, 633 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: not be too precious about it. Uh, take what I 634 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: do seriously, but not take myself too seriously, and and 635 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: just enjoy it. Like my god, if I'm not enjoying it, 636 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,400 Speaker 1: why would I keep doing this? This is an insane lifestyle, 637 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: like a difference city every night, and like dragging my 638 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: kids all around the country. And there's a lot that's 639 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: great about it too, but but it's I think I've 640 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: been learning to sort of like slough off. Hopefully I've 641 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: been sluffing off the ship that I don't need anymore. 642 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: I am allowed to swearing here okay, and here bathroom, 643 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: so I speak French flute ly. Um yeah, so I 644 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 1: think that that's what I've been learning these last few years. 645 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: Um yeah. Where do you feel like you fall in 646 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,200 Speaker 1: line with that? Like, do you feel like you're still 647 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: that's still like kind of like the like on the 648 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: edge of like, I really need you to like what 649 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing right now. I feel sorry now I'm your psychologist. 650 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: M I feel like a fraud, don't we all? Yes, 651 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: we do, But I really like and I think I'm 652 00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: running just barely ahead of that. I feel like I'm 653 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: committing crimes all over America. That's not really feel like. 654 00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: And eventually the cops are gonna catch that's oh, you 655 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: can't sleepy. But I do feel like I don't really 656 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,040 Speaker 1: have a talent, Like I don't. There's nothing that you 657 00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: would look at me and go, he's really good at that? 658 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,959 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? I mean, are you actually being serious? Yes, 659 00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: I'm being absolutely seriously yes. Um, like I'm literally looking. 660 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:20,479 Speaker 1: I mean we're sitting here and I'm looking at two 661 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: books that you've written. Yeah, but again that's just I've 662 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: worked my way to those. I have friends. That is 663 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: a skill. I think I learned it, so you're a 664 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: quick learner. But it's also talent. So my fear is 665 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 1: if I can't work, I don't have anything really. Have 666 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: friends are great writers, They could take a year off 667 00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: and come back and write amazingly in a year. Have 668 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,680 Speaker 1: friends are great singers, are great things. And so for 669 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: me it's I don't have that. All I have is 670 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: and so I don't think I'm not good at anything. 671 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,040 Speaker 1: So I feel like a fraud all the time, all 672 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: the time. Bobby, this is fascinating. I feel like we 673 00:32:56,360 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: could like like that would be a whole other podcast. 674 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: We can talk a and I only put these books 675 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: up so when pictures are taking to this place that 676 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,280 Speaker 1: people see them where they buy them. This is this 677 00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,680 Speaker 1: is key marketing. Yes, that's how I pay the bill. Yes, 678 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 1: in your House is beautiful, so well done. I mean, 679 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,240 Speaker 1: I think I get it. I mean I think we 680 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: all feel like if if every if people really knew, 681 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: would they really like us? But you know a great 682 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: singer right like you have? I am a singer. I 683 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 1: mean I'm glad you think I'm a great singer. I 684 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: love singing. I think you have the recognition to say 685 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 1: you get a great You could walk on the street 686 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: right now and open a case and seeing if people 687 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: would give you money. If I walk down the street 688 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: right now and pulled a microphone out what I do 689 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 1: in this show, people be like, hey, idiot, why are 690 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: you talking about microphone on the street? Dude? But you 691 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: like the thing that I find fascinating about you is 692 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,440 Speaker 1: that you are literally like you have nine lives. It's 693 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: I mean, it's like you're like I'm gonna go on 694 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:54,040 Speaker 1: a show and you know I'm gonna dance and like 695 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: I'm gonna win that thing. And you do like I 696 00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:59,280 Speaker 1: don't you say you like I don't have talent and 697 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: I'm just the worst dancer. Now the second word dancer, 698 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,840 Speaker 1: but there are thirteen people are probably the twelve words dancer. Okay, 699 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: but still you have this like tenacity about you that's 700 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:11,640 Speaker 1: so apparent and and it's and like I don't know 701 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: you you. I think maybe that sense of like I'm 702 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: a fraud might be what helps keep you humble because 703 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,439 Speaker 1: you do so much stuff. For sure, it keeps me humble, 704 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: and it's not even humble, it keeps me normal is 705 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: because I and I think that's why I relate to 706 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 1: people that will listen to this podcast, will listen to 707 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: my show, to my shows, is that I have what 708 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: they have. Yeah, we like you're one of them one 709 00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: percenters has this great, great singing skill. Us normal folks 710 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: don't really have anything dynamic about us. And so I 711 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:44,120 Speaker 1: think people root for me because I am them. Huh, 712 00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 1: And that's what I feel like. So I feel like 713 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: a fraud a lot of til you ask what is it? 714 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: It's people like you're so brave, Bobby, No, I'm scared. 715 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: There's a difference. Yeah, but you still jump. That's the thing, 716 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,080 Speaker 1: because I have to jump because there's a big alligator 717 00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 1: behind me. It's like, I'm gonna die one of the 718 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 1: two ways, right, So I'm gonna jump dynam blaze of glories. 719 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,720 Speaker 1: That that's kind of what it did for me. So awesome. 720 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,160 Speaker 1: I get it. But you're dying in a blaze of 721 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,319 Speaker 1: glory makes for a good story. Maybe I will die 722 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,480 Speaker 1: in a blaze of glory. It's not gonna happen anytime soon. Well, okay, 723 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: it's not about me. You can feel free to ask whatever. 724 00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: But like, I only have like an hour with you, Oh, 725 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 1: I know, So I want to talk all about Let's 726 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: just listen to our music together. Let's play all of 727 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: our songs, and I want to have a listening party. 728 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:24,759 Speaker 1: And when you plan, like, I like that one. I 729 00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,080 Speaker 1: like that. I like that one, and I like that one. 730 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 1: I would like that one. I like that one too. 731 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: So you moved to Nashville. Yeah, how old were you 732 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: while you moved to a teenager for high school? I 733 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: graduated high school. I had to legally emancipate myself from 734 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: my parents in order to sign my record deal. How 735 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: they feel about that? They were fine? They were like, 736 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: it's just a piece of paper. Um. Yeah, and moved 737 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 1: out here when I was eighteen, had two bags, had 738 00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 1: two hundred fifty bucks in my pocket, dropped one bag 739 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 1: off at my then manager's house, and um and hit 740 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,440 Speaker 1: the road for two hundred fifty days that year, and 741 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: then hit the road for another two hundred and twenty 742 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,280 Speaker 1: days that next year. And um, it was literally singing 743 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:05,200 Speaker 1: with like Mike and like like tracks like on like 744 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: on a disk, and talk about like jumping off a 745 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,040 Speaker 1: diving board. That's going to grow you up real fast, 746 00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: as is being on a bus with being the sole 747 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: female on a bus. Um at eighteen with a bunch 748 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,600 Speaker 1: of dudes that will also grow you up quickquickly. I 749 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: had friends. I have a couple of friends that were 750 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: Christian artists for a while and they switched and they 751 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 1: went secular. Yeah, And I would ask them like, hey, 752 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 1: why did you change with one they said they could 753 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,719 Speaker 1: play more places. Yeah. Like they were like, really, what 754 00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: we could have somewhat the same message but played. But 755 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 1: they also felt like that they were running out of 756 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: things they could write about. Yeah. It's the only genre 757 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: of music that's determined by lyrical content. Really, Yeah, I 758 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: never thought of it because there are a Christian rapper, 759 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,760 Speaker 1: but you know, there are a lot of Christian types 760 00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 1: of music, but they're still considered Christians. Sure, sure, sure, 761 00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 1: I just I just felt like what I believe shifted 762 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,239 Speaker 1: so much I couldn't keep doing it. So it wasn't 763 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,440 Speaker 1: as much about you were in a box about what 764 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:01,960 Speaker 1: did feel that too, But it was also just like 765 00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 1: I've gotta i gotta get out of here, like and 766 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to do I mean to grab a few 767 00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: things and keep them in my backpack as I go, 768 00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,960 Speaker 1: but a bunch of this stuff, like I just, um, 769 00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: it didn't feel like it resonated anymore with me. And 770 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:17,959 Speaker 1: I wanted the freedom to just write what I wanted 771 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: to write about. And it's funny, like you know, writing 772 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,680 Speaker 1: writing a jingle for Oscar Myers was definitely an Oscar 773 00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,439 Speaker 1: Meyer was definitely not my um like goal in life. 774 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 1: But that was interesting that like doing that led like 775 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:33,760 Speaker 1: led for me to go down the path of writing 776 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 1: for other people and then writing I felt like the 777 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,520 Speaker 1: Civil Wars, it was so much writing about the dysfunction 778 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: of relationship and like the obsessive nature of relationships and 779 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 1: um and so and now like moving through having been 780 00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: in that duo and writing those kinds of music. Now 781 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of like I like turning the gem so 782 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,560 Speaker 1: to speak, like about what does it look like to 783 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 1: be human? And how does it? How does love work? 784 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: How does it not work? Um? What does it look 785 00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,000 Speaker 1: like to like admit when things are really terrible and 786 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:05,279 Speaker 1: then when things are actually like there there might be 787 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,960 Speaker 1: like a ray of hope and and um and just 788 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,520 Speaker 1: playing around. I play around on this record actually with 789 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: some like religious um like uh, I guess wording like 790 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:17,880 Speaker 1: a religious verbiage, but I'm turning it kind of on 791 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: its ear and um, it's it's fun to play with 792 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 1: that stuff for me. The record comes out my third 793 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:25,279 Speaker 1: we mentioned that again. I want to play this with 794 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,680 Speaker 1: the jingle. Okay, here is here's you can set this up. 795 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,200 Speaker 1: This is the Oscar Meyer jingle that you wrote. Yes called. 796 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: It doesn't get better than this. It doesn't get it. 797 00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:45,440 Speaker 1: It doesn't get it to make you laugh. Have you 798 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 1: heard in a while? No, this is I played every 799 00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: day when you're like brushing your teeth every morning. Yeah, Um, 800 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: it's your sunshine wake up song. Um, you can really guy, 801 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,520 Speaker 1: he hates you so much I giggled because that I 802 00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 1: literally wrote it in an afternoon over the phone with 803 00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: with somebody in l A named Tim Meyers and um 804 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: and and I got six digits for writing that song. Yes, 805 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 1: I had zero clue, had zero clue at the time, 806 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 1: but that was when like that was like the height 807 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: of TV film, Like I don't know what you could 808 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,080 Speaker 1: gross like making back then. Um, but it's just so 809 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:35,239 Speaker 1: silly to me that like writing songs that like was 810 00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:39,799 Speaker 1: backing Bacon and lunch Meat like became how I've how 811 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: I paid my bills and like fronted the half of 812 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 1: a duo that I, you know, my husband and I 813 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: financially like got off the ground. It's just silly how 814 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: life works. But no, it's I'm going to leave no, no, 815 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: but it's really But it is funny because I just 816 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,440 Speaker 1: signed a deal and I think it'll come out next 817 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,479 Speaker 1: week with the General Insurance with Shack with the little 818 00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 1: guy the commercial you know that you know that he 819 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,560 Speaker 1: did and out of what I would never sign with 820 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: someone that I didn't think it was good. Like at 821 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: the point in my career now where I can I 822 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: can almost pick the partners that I have. They've made 823 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: so much money. See, you could afford to take a 824 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: vacation right now. That's all I'm saying. I just went 825 00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: to wife for three days. How is that? I worked 826 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,560 Speaker 1: the whole time. It was American. I went in and 827 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: tape American. Oh my god, you're like it was great. 828 00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,000 Speaker 1: It was a vacation, vacation Like I went ahead to 829 00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,239 Speaker 1: the radio show tape Idle and Mike went and he'd 830 00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 1: worked like an hour a day and go to the 831 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,239 Speaker 1: beach and then just surf and then yeah, then I 832 00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: would go work and try to mentor the kids. Yeah, 833 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:50,040 Speaker 1: but you're pretty good at I'm all right, I'm okay, 834 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,480 Speaker 1: I mean love it. I just tell him, I tell 835 00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:57,120 Speaker 1: him how to avoid being sucky. The title of your autobiography, 836 00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: how to avoid being Sucky. That was what we were 837 00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:00,719 Speaker 1: going to go with, but it said went with bare bones. 838 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,400 Speaker 1: Yeah that worked too. That worked too. Let's I didn't 839 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: realize as we get over to the Civil Wars. I 840 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,439 Speaker 1: didn't realize again because I don't follow the awards so much, 841 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:12,360 Speaker 1: that you guys have won so many freaking awards for 842 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,440 Speaker 1: and and not, and that that didn't shock me. The 843 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,760 Speaker 1: Grammys as much as the c m a S. Because 844 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 1: I never thought of you guys, and I hope it's 845 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: not an insult as a country duo. No, no, no, 846 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: neither did we. And it when we got sort of 847 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,880 Speaker 1: welcomed into the fold, it was like, oh my god, 848 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,600 Speaker 1: Like it was that moment where it's like they liked me, 849 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,360 Speaker 1: they really liked me. It was it was amazing to 850 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 1: be invited into that community. And man, I lived in 851 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 1: Nashville a long time but not really felt like I 852 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: was in the fold of that. And we had a 853 00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:42,960 Speaker 1: good time. But I mean we were definitely like, you know, 854 00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,000 Speaker 1: we were the dark horses for sure. Um like when 855 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: all the names are you know, being announced, and it's 856 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,560 Speaker 1: like clap clap, clap, clap clap, like up really award, 857 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: and it's like our name got called and it would 858 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: be like a lot less clapping because and no, no 859 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,960 Speaker 1: offense taken. It was just we weren't well known in 860 00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: that community. But but it would win. Yeah, and then 861 00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,600 Speaker 1: sometimes no, I mean if you win once, you would win, 862 00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: that's a win. Yeah. Yeah, I suppose you want a couple, Um, 863 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: we just got nominated. You never want I like these grids, 864 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 1: and I think you guys want everything. I mean, I 865 00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,920 Speaker 1: let's go with that. You want four Grammy, Yeah, you 866 00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: got you want the Best Folk Album, Best Folk Album, UM, 867 00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,279 Speaker 1: Best Performance by a Duo or Group. I think we 868 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,719 Speaker 1: have here. I can look at my notes. I always feeling, yeah, 869 00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:27,719 Speaker 1: you tell me because I'm not great one and then 870 00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,239 Speaker 1: one for one for Safe and Sound that we wrote 871 00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,879 Speaker 1: with Taylor for the Hunger Games, Barton Hollow for Best 872 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,439 Speaker 1: ball Album, Yeah, Best Country do our group before? Maybe 873 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: this is where the country I'm thinking of the country? 874 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,520 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you did win a Grammy for 875 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:42,040 Speaker 1: country for for Barton Hollow two thousand thirteen Best Songwritten 876 00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,239 Speaker 1: for Visual Media for Safe and Sound. Yeah, and then 877 00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,759 Speaker 1: two thousand fourteen Best Country from This Valley. Yeah. I 878 00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:49,360 Speaker 1: think that's what it was when I saw country in 879 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: the awards, because I did again, was a fan. Never 880 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,880 Speaker 1: thought of you guys country yet neither did we. And 881 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,840 Speaker 1: it wasn't that we didn't want to be. It's just 882 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,960 Speaker 1: we we didn't think that we actually like classified under 883 00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,200 Speaker 1: the qualification of it. I mean we were in the 884 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,400 Speaker 1: running with like a Little Big Town for some of 885 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,840 Speaker 1: those and UM for the group duo performance, and and 886 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: we were like, well, surely they're going to get it, 887 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,359 Speaker 1: so it was. We always felt surprised. I always felt 888 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,960 Speaker 1: surprised anytime our name actually got called so um, but 889 00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,360 Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad it did. They look nice on 890 00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,320 Speaker 1: my shelf and they're a good memory. Where do you 891 00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,400 Speaker 1: keep on? Um? We have a listening room in our 892 00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: house that is um, there's like this old like flannel 893 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: looking very like Victorian looking swing, um, like almost looks 894 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,200 Speaker 1: like a porch swing, but it's inside UM. And then 895 00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: a whole wall of vinyl. The innate is obsessed with 896 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: like records, and then we have a record player, and 897 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,520 Speaker 1: then there's like where the vinyl actually should go, because 898 00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: now it's just like overflowed onto the floor where it's 899 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,720 Speaker 1: now stacked. But um, there's for sort of like Cubbies 900 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,680 Speaker 1: where you would stuck vinyl, but instead it's just prominently 901 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: placed and it's it's it's crazy to look up and 902 00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: see those. It feels like an other lifetime. I go 903 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:03,720 Speaker 1: to yeah, thousand present. So okay, let's talk about the formation. 904 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,320 Speaker 1: You mentioned that you were able to make money to 905 00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 1: actually finance at least the start of the Civil Wars, 906 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: So just kind of tell me that the birth of 907 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 1: the duo at that writing camp for um, for the 908 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: sir Letic Brothers trying to get a radio single for 909 00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:26,000 Speaker 1: a particular groups. Um, you can say, Gloriana, you write 910 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,560 Speaker 1: anything for them. We did, but they didn't, I mean 911 00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,360 Speaker 1: not that they cut yeah yeah, um yeah. And so 912 00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,880 Speaker 1: we were in we were in a writing session and 913 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,200 Speaker 1: it was almost like drawing straws. They were like, okay, 914 00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: you you, you go in this room and right you 915 00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:39,840 Speaker 1: you and you go in this room and right you 916 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:41,719 Speaker 1: union and then we'd like switch like it'd be like 917 00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,439 Speaker 1: two hour rites and then switched to like a writing 918 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: camp old school and um, first right of the day 919 00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: was John Paul and and uh and a guy named 920 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,360 Speaker 1: Greg Becker and and I just felt like i'd you know, 921 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,320 Speaker 1: met a kindred spirit in John Paul and just the 922 00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,880 Speaker 1: writing was so easy and like we just started harmonizing 923 00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: and it was it was just like I remember going 924 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,400 Speaker 1: home and telling Nate like I think I met somebody 925 00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:07,040 Speaker 1: that I'm supposed to make music with, and you know, 926 00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:08,880 Speaker 1: and then like cuts you. Like a few months later, 927 00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:11,720 Speaker 1: we're all in our Nates in my black Honda Element 928 00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,319 Speaker 1: like driving down to Eddie's Attic and Decatur where John 929 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:19,719 Speaker 1: Mayer would play back in the day and like recording 930 00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,719 Speaker 1: like the live board tape, recording that and then just 931 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:25,399 Speaker 1: being like, why don't we just put it out. Let's 932 00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:28,160 Speaker 1: just see what happens, and then being like, wouldn't it 933 00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,560 Speaker 1: be cool if it got listened to, like fivemessbod be 934 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:32,759 Speaker 1: so rad And then within the first week it had 935 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: like twenty five thousand listens and it just kept growing 936 00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,880 Speaker 1: and then we put out an EP and um, you 937 00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,640 Speaker 1: know a song got put on Grey's Anatomy in a 938 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,279 Speaker 1: particular like you know, near the end, like the kind 939 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:48,759 Speaker 1: of the big placement. Yeah, that was one of the 940 00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:54,759 Speaker 1: first somebody that actually has influence. Yeah, thanks were pretty good. Yeah, 941 00:45:54,760 --> 00:45:57,560 Speaker 1: I think so. I mean it's I can can tend 942 00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,600 Speaker 1: to be a blur looking back at that, there was 943 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,560 Speaker 1: so much happening all the same time. Um, so poison 944 00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,719 Speaker 1: and Wine plays on Grayes Anatomy. Yeah, and it was 945 00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:10,800 Speaker 1: like here we go. You remember watching it go on? 946 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: Holy crap I do. And I've had other songs like 947 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,719 Speaker 1: the Oscar Ryer jingle you know, and it was and 948 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,520 Speaker 1: I've had other solo music of mine in that whole 949 00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:22,040 Speaker 1: era also get on Grays. So I had had a 950 00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,840 Speaker 1: relationship with the TV film supervisor for that show, and 951 00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,480 Speaker 1: and but they came, they came, I guess to discover 952 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,279 Speaker 1: that music on their own and and and put it 953 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,959 Speaker 1: into It's been really fun even now to see people 954 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,279 Speaker 1: be like, oh wait, okay, so I used to listen 955 00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:41,280 Speaker 1: to you over here and then and then I discovered 956 00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,040 Speaker 1: the Civil Wars, and then I discovered it was you 957 00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,440 Speaker 1: like that that same girl I listened to. It was 958 00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: the same girl it's in the Civil Wars. And then 959 00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:50,560 Speaker 1: I'm hearing that now her people are discovering the new 960 00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:52,640 Speaker 1: songs on Spotify and they're like, oh wait, that's the 961 00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: girl from the Civil Wars, because nobody knew my name, 962 00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:57,440 Speaker 1: like when I was in the Civil Wars. So like 963 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 1: Joy Williams is not like that. That's not like a 964 00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,200 Speaker 1: like a one and done. People understand that that, you know, 965 00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: that was half. I was half of that um in 966 00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: terms of notoriety. But it's an interesting thing having had 967 00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,760 Speaker 1: that kind of notoriety and then to move into another 968 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: season where it's not starting over at all. But I 969 00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:21,600 Speaker 1: have so many different chapters of making music that there's 970 00:47:21,640 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: like kids who grew up listening to me making my 971 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 1: church music, and then you know, people who knew the duo, 972 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,200 Speaker 1: and then people discovering the music for for the first 973 00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 1: time now with what I'm making for their album Front Porch. 974 00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 1: So it's it. There's so many different chapters. How would 975 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:42,320 Speaker 1: you two decide who's saying what? That's what I would think, like, 976 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,160 Speaker 1: I would always want to be wanted this thing to 977 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: freaking leave. Um was it? Was it? Ever? It was 978 00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,040 Speaker 1: never contentious about that until later. But um, like I 979 00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: think I think for me, it just my memory of 980 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: it is that I mean, I love to harmonize, so 981 00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,080 Speaker 1: that just came so easily because you do exactly me 982 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,000 Speaker 1: and the squirrels and um yeah. So it was like 983 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,400 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times we'd come in to 984 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,239 Speaker 1: a songwriting session and it would be like, hey, I 985 00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 1: just watched this documentary you know, called Grey Gardens, and 986 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,800 Speaker 1: I really want to let's let's write about that. And 987 00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,000 Speaker 1: it just depended on the day, like who would end 988 00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:24,480 Speaker 1: up taking the lead, Like if I found the melody 989 00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:27,440 Speaker 1: to something, that would generally be like I would take 990 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 1: the lead because that's the key that we had started in. 991 00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,360 Speaker 1: So we it was pretty fluid until it wasn't. What 992 00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:38,480 Speaker 1: was it like watching the crowds grow insane because it 993 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,000 Speaker 1: was insane because you guys weren't together like twenty years. 994 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: It does all happened relatively quick in the live span. Yeah, 995 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,680 Speaker 1: within five years time. Yeah, yeah, I mean it was 996 00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,160 Speaker 1: I remember we were on the road with another indie 997 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 1: act and the live at Eddie's Attic came out, and 998 00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:56,280 Speaker 1: which was the that board tape. I was just mentioning 999 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,520 Speaker 1: and and we were going to cities we've never played, 1000 00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,319 Speaker 1: and we were like first up and we would play 1001 00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: and people would be singing along and we've never been like, 1002 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,680 Speaker 1: we had nothing out besides that, and we've never been 1003 00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:13,120 Speaker 1: to that city. And we watched that happened time and 1004 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,840 Speaker 1: time and time again until the person that was like 1005 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: I'm supposedly like meant to close that the show was like, 1006 00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:24,279 Speaker 1: why don't let's switch and that happened yeah, And and 1007 00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,520 Speaker 1: I was I was like, what was this crazy? And 1008 00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,839 Speaker 1: then getting the phone call that Adele wanted to take 1009 00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: us on the road that was that was like, oh 1010 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: my god. And we've gotten the call like hey, come 1011 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,480 Speaker 1: play Leno, Hey, come play Letterman. Hey we're over in 1012 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,520 Speaker 1: the UK. Jules Holland wants you to play, and um, 1013 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,000 Speaker 1: and then getting the phone call that Adele was a 1014 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,799 Speaker 1: fan and wanted us to go on the road with her, 1015 00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 1: and us doing two tours with her, and like the 1016 00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: crowds just continued, and then writing with Taylor and we've 1017 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:57,440 Speaker 1: been friends, um and then getting to you know, make 1018 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: music like that. It was just it was this. It 1019 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,560 Speaker 1: was lightning in a bottle. It really was. It was 1020 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,080 Speaker 1: kind of that classic phrases lightning in a bottle. But 1021 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,880 Speaker 1: gotta be careful with lightning in a bottle because that 1022 00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,080 Speaker 1: can it can go away just as quickly as it came. 1023 00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 1: Did you guys play Jewels Halling? They've like, I've an 1024 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,279 Speaker 1: approached to kind of redo that show here, Really, what 1025 00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,840 Speaker 1: do you think? I don't think I have the skill 1026 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:23,120 Speaker 1: set to do what Jewels does musically, like I play, 1027 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,960 Speaker 1: but he's proficient. He can sit down and really play. 1028 00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:30,520 Speaker 1: And so BBC said, hey, we want to remake the 1029 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:31,640 Speaker 1: Jewels hall On show. We want you to be the 1030 00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 1: host and for those who don't know Jewels, he's talk 1031 00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,240 Speaker 1: show versus and a musician and they'll sit down with artists. 1032 00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: And I like, I want to do a talk show, 1033 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: but I don't know if I could do what he does. Um, 1034 00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:47,759 Speaker 1: but I'm a big fan of what Jewels does. And 1035 00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,120 Speaker 1: so when you say that, and I spent so many 1036 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:52,920 Speaker 1: hours just watching his show because they were like, I 1037 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:54,799 Speaker 1: want to recreate this in America, and I know they 1038 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,920 Speaker 1: went to another artist here and said, hey, who has 1039 00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,799 Speaker 1: much bigger skill set? About how about bringing it over? 1040 00:51:00,840 --> 00:51:03,239 Speaker 1: I don't want to run that thing, but it's like, um, 1041 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,640 Speaker 1: but yeah, I'm a big Jewel's Holling fan and rarely 1042 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,480 Speaker 1: doesn't want to bring up Jels Holland Yeah. I mean 1043 00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:10,800 Speaker 1: it's in the UK. It's an institution and I and 1044 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:14,759 Speaker 1: I remember like watching it and just being like, man, 1045 00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 1: I want to play that one day and then getting 1046 00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:19,120 Speaker 1: to and it was like Tony Bennett was on it. Yeah, 1047 00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,360 Speaker 1: it was like it was crazy, like the names that 1048 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:23,359 Speaker 1: were there. I was like, what am I doing here? 1049 00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,400 Speaker 1: From act to act like you're all you're all like 1050 00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,040 Speaker 1: it's yeah, you're literally in the round and it's and 1051 00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:34,200 Speaker 1: it's almost like it's it's almost like, um, Tony Bennett 1052 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,120 Speaker 1: next to Arctic monkeys, next to I mean like a 1053 00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,520 Speaker 1: country act. Um, it was Laura Marlene and it was 1054 00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,640 Speaker 1: Tony Bennett and um, crap, I'm forgetting the other one. 1055 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,000 Speaker 1: Please forgive me anyways, Um, but it was great. I 1056 00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: like sat over to the side and had a conversation 1057 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,360 Speaker 1: with Tony Bennett about creating and painting and and he 1058 00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:55,719 Speaker 1: was just like the most fabulous human being. I was like, 1059 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,800 Speaker 1: what is happening to my life right now? You know? 1060 00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:01,200 Speaker 1: It happened so fast? Are you so good at what 1061 00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:03,239 Speaker 1: you do? And I'm not kidding, I'm not being facetious. 1062 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:04,320 Speaker 1: Are you so good at what you do that you 1063 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,560 Speaker 1: don't get nervous doing it anymore? No? I always get nervous. Really, yeah, 1064 00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:11,560 Speaker 1: it's an indication that I care. I absolutely agree with that. 1065 00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:15,560 Speaker 1: Now maybe not nervous. Okay, let me rephrase this, Okay, 1066 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,239 Speaker 1: but let me answer and then for a second, and 1067 00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:19,840 Speaker 1: then if I still have an answer, that let me know, 1068 00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,520 Speaker 1: because I would say that. Um, I feel like I'm 1069 00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,000 Speaker 1: in a whole new chapter again, Like I'm I'm like 1070 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,080 Speaker 1: going back to music that um is more stripped down, 1071 00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,440 Speaker 1: more roots, more maybe akin to what people are familiar 1072 00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,480 Speaker 1: hearing me having been in the Civil Wars, but it's 1073 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:41,080 Speaker 1: a new iteration. And so I think, I think, yeah, 1074 00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:43,520 Speaker 1: I know how to do this, but how do I 1075 00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:47,200 Speaker 1: do this now? So that's It's like I know how 1076 00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,040 Speaker 1: to be present. Um, I know how to um sing 1077 00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,960 Speaker 1: when my voice is tired. Um, you know, I know 1078 00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:55,719 Speaker 1: how to sing when I've had three hours of sleep 1079 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,759 Speaker 1: and a crying baby in the middle of the night 1080 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,880 Speaker 1: on a bus. You know I can do those things. Um. 1081 00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:03,279 Speaker 1: I know how to just be like you know, you 1082 00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:04,880 Speaker 1: guys don't even know what city. I mean, you know, 1083 00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:08,239 Speaker 1: and and just like let down, so to speak. But 1084 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: I always get nervous. But are you nervous that people 1085 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,720 Speaker 1: won't like what you're doing? Or you're nervous for example, 1086 00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,399 Speaker 1: like if you go on leno or on a map, 1087 00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,720 Speaker 1: would you get more nervous as the stage got bigger? 1088 00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:23,359 Speaker 1: Or do you get more nervous at the stage gets 1089 00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,799 Speaker 1: it's a new stage. I think it's new. I think 1090 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:29,800 Speaker 1: it's new. It's new. I mean I remember playing Austin 1091 00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,240 Speaker 1: City Limits when I was in the in the duo, 1092 00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:36,440 Speaker 1: and it was people and that yeah, that yeah, that 1093 00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,200 Speaker 1: we're there watching that our set, and I just thought, 1094 00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,200 Speaker 1: we just have to go out and do what we do. 1095 00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,160 Speaker 1: We do this all the time. We would we would 1096 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:48,120 Speaker 1: play he did yeh, that's right, right, that's right. And 1097 00:53:48,200 --> 00:53:50,080 Speaker 1: I was a big fan. So I don't know how 1098 00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:51,600 Speaker 1: many years you played it, but I saw you guys 1099 00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,560 Speaker 1: one year for sure, we only played well then I 1100 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:55,359 Speaker 1: was there. I was that guy. You were that dude 1101 00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:00,560 Speaker 1: were there, We were there. I knew it was you. Yeah. Um. 1102 00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:02,920 Speaker 1: I think it's just you just do what you do. 1103 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 1: It's the stage gets bigger, it's it's a little bit 1104 00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 1: more like uh, I still always will try and find 1105 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:12,600 Speaker 1: someone's eyes, you know, it's just more options. When the 1106 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:14,640 Speaker 1: when the crowd gets bigger, did you have a fear 1107 00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,239 Speaker 1: as they got bigger? Again, I'm gonna project a lot 1108 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,040 Speaker 1: of my fears onto you, because I feel like we're 1109 00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,160 Speaker 1: a bit similar in some ways. Did you have a 1110 00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:22,719 Speaker 1: fear that when I got bigger, you had to take 1111 00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:24,760 Speaker 1: care of more people, and that if I got smaller, 1112 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:28,439 Speaker 1: you couldn't take care of those people anymore? I think 1113 00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,239 Speaker 1: the getting bigger part. I looked around at one point 1114 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,480 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, we were employing this many 1115 00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,640 Speaker 1: people and the people I care about, And so when 1116 00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,520 Speaker 1: the duo like imploded the way that it did, I 1117 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,440 Speaker 1: slipped around. I was like, oh my god, all these 1118 00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:44,800 Speaker 1: people that have invested their time and like we're like 1119 00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,920 Speaker 1: it's their salaries and all of that stuff. It was 1120 00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,799 Speaker 1: such a heartbreak, but I'm glad to say that, Um, 1121 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:53,960 Speaker 1: I've remained friends but with you know, almost everybody UM 1122 00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,439 Speaker 1: in that era. Um, with the exception of a few. 1123 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:01,280 Speaker 1: But for me, it's the have all. It's all my friends, 1124 00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,560 Speaker 1: like all my show, I have like eight or nine people. Yeah. Well, 1125 00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,680 Speaker 1: and you're super loyal as well, Like my people have 1126 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,120 Speaker 1: be on me forever. I know which is rad and 1127 00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,640 Speaker 1: so I'm like, man, if I go backward, I mean, 1128 00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,080 Speaker 1: I've put a lot of that pressure on me that 1129 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,479 Speaker 1: I can't go backward because I've these I've uprooted people 1130 00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,000 Speaker 1: and moved them with you, so as as just gotten bigger. 1131 00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,600 Speaker 1: I think the pressure has i' masked that I have 1132 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,400 Speaker 1: to keep it at least the same and hopefully bigger 1133 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 1: because I want them to have better lives. Yes, I 1134 00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,000 Speaker 1: totally get that, And I've had a lot of conversations 1135 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,200 Speaker 1: with other artists and people in various industries that when 1136 00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,960 Speaker 1: they do well, they have that same they have that 1137 00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:36,480 Speaker 1: same exact feeling. Today I had a little bit of 1138 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,000 Speaker 1: pride as Mike over here was wearing a jacket from 1139 00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:44,239 Speaker 1: Nordstrom and very poor Mike was my intern. Mike was 1140 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,280 Speaker 1: my phone screener, like got Mike was eating top ramen 1141 00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,879 Speaker 1: just to make things, make ends meet. The guy came 1142 00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:55,400 Speaker 1: through the struggle the struggle was and said, what's up 1143 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: with that jacket? I like that jacket and it goes. 1144 00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,360 Speaker 1: I got it from Nordstrom. I was like, who are you? 1145 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:07,520 Speaker 1: The fact that you even in Nordney? What was it like? 1146 00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:11,160 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was so much fun. I'll never 1147 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,760 Speaker 1: forget the first time because we hadn't met her before 1148 00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:15,600 Speaker 1: we literally went on the road. So we were sound 1149 00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:20,040 Speaker 1: checking and she came. She came up. She was at 1150 00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,960 Speaker 1: the top floor. She had her makeup the cape like 1151 00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:24,760 Speaker 1: makeup hair cape like when you go to the salon 1152 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:27,960 Speaker 1: on half her hair and curlers the other half not. 1153 00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:31,200 Speaker 1: She was smoking a cigarette and um and she yelled. 1154 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,160 Speaker 1: She was, oh my god, oh my god, you're finally here. 1155 00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:38,640 Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're here. And it was like instant awesome, 1156 00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:42,799 Speaker 1: Like she just is instantly awesome. And but I felt 1157 00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,200 Speaker 1: I felt nervous. And there was kind of a distance 1158 00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:47,880 Speaker 1: that we was sort of had with like the amount 1159 00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,480 Speaker 1: of people on the road, and the tour was kind 1160 00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,000 Speaker 1: of bigger and UM, but she hadn't really exploded to 1161 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:55,200 Speaker 1: the degree that she was just like right on the 1162 00:56:55,239 --> 00:57:00,160 Speaker 1: precipice of UM. But day two, the show three, get 1163 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,840 Speaker 1: back Show Show three, she said, let's let's get dinner 1164 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:06,000 Speaker 1: on an off day, and so we did. We got dinner, 1165 00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:12,480 Speaker 1: and I tried to keep up with Adele. She doesn't 1166 00:57:12,520 --> 00:57:16,960 Speaker 1: so much anymore, but legendary. Oh my god. I thought 1167 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that we were a nice restaurant, you 1168 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,360 Speaker 1: know where like then your drink never fully gets empty 1169 00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,440 Speaker 1: before they bring you a new one. UM. But I 1170 00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:26,600 Speaker 1: was told later UM, that I had had like eight 1171 00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:32,800 Speaker 1: Gin and Tonics. You didn't realize you were no terrible idea. 1172 00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:38,120 Speaker 1: I wound up getting wheelchaired out of the We ate dinner, 1173 00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:41,000 Speaker 1: and then I vaguely remember going back to her hotel 1174 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:42,760 Speaker 1: and hanging out in the lobby because we were having 1175 00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,160 Speaker 1: so much fun, and all of a sudden, it just 1176 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:48,760 Speaker 1: like hit, It just hits so hard. UM, and I 1177 00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,160 Speaker 1: wound up being wheelchaired out of the four Seasons and 1178 00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:57,600 Speaker 1: sure was UM. And then um uh somebody had recorded 1179 00:57:57,640 --> 00:58:00,760 Speaker 1: the experience UM that was on tour with us, and 1180 00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:04,000 Speaker 1: it was on the projector when I went to sound 1181 00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:07,720 Speaker 1: check the next day and was laughing so hard in 1182 00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:11,280 Speaker 1: between needing to like really really vomit, and both Adele 1183 00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:13,960 Speaker 1: and I had like buckets side stage that next night. 1184 00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,000 Speaker 1: But after that we were like we were fast friends 1185 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,880 Speaker 1: and we stayed friends. And then on the last night 1186 00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:23,400 Speaker 1: of tour, we got matching tattoos and um and she 1187 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,120 Speaker 1: she gave me a bottle of gin jerk just to 1188 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,880 Speaker 1: rub it in. But what tattoos did you get with 1189 00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,040 Speaker 1: three dots on our left wrist? Oh? That's what I 1190 00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:34,760 Speaker 1: just saw, that three dots on the left wrist. It's 1191 00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,240 Speaker 1: the ellipsus that just means to be continued. And we 1192 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,200 Speaker 1: all just felt like there is tattoo. Yeah, there was 1193 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,000 Speaker 1: a lot. There was a lot happening in all of 1194 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 1: our lives at that time, and and we thought that 1195 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: would be a good thing. I was her first tattoo, 1196 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:51,960 Speaker 1: or she says her first time, but there has since 1197 00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,320 Speaker 1: been more. I've not added as many as she has 1198 00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,960 Speaker 1: on my body. You've got a couple and I just 1199 00:58:57,000 --> 00:58:59,400 Speaker 1: got imagining one that says mirrorble searan and I got 1200 00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,000 Speaker 1: we one way that's red. Yeah. We were like, well, first, 1201 00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,440 Speaker 1: she never thought we were gonna win that show. I now. 1202 00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:08,400 Speaker 1: I was like, I can figure things out, like bear 1203 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:09,800 Speaker 1: with me, Like, I don't know if we're gonna win, 1204 00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:11,560 Speaker 1: but we're gonna get far. And I said, if we win, 1205 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,920 Speaker 1: we have to get match tattoos, just throwing, and she 1206 00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:15,240 Speaker 1: said yes, and then we said it on the air. 1207 00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:16,560 Speaker 1: So then we got him, but we didn't get the 1208 00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,120 Speaker 1: actual mirrorball, just got the words mirrorball. Yeah, I'm curious, 1209 00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,040 Speaker 1: like what, like, whose idea was it to get mirrorball? Well, 1210 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,200 Speaker 1: it was mine, but I made her think it was hers, 1211 00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:29,440 Speaker 1: so I didn't really did it looked like look like 1212 00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 1: we were driving into a city like a like a 1213 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:35,960 Speaker 1: water tower whenever you drew the actual mirrorball. So I'd 1214 00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,960 Speaker 1: suggested a few things and really highlighted the world. And 1215 00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:40,080 Speaker 1: then like a week later, she was like, you know 1216 00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:41,560 Speaker 1: what I was thinking? And I was like, what tell me? 1217 00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 1: I knew where she was going to I think, was 1218 00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,920 Speaker 1: youoot the words? I was like, you know what a 1219 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,000 Speaker 1: great idea. That's a good idea. And I let her 1220 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:48,840 Speaker 1: have all of that because if it didn't turn out good, 1221 00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:51,440 Speaker 1: I wanted to be her fault. Yeah it's on you 1222 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:55,280 Speaker 1: know it. This is my grandmotherhoo adopted me so that 1223 00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:59,320 Speaker 1: my mom Oh I got it. Yeah, and then that's Arkansas. Yeah, dude. Um, 1224 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:02,680 Speaker 1: rumor is you're you, at some point want to run 1225 01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:04,920 Speaker 1: to be governor of Oh yeah, there's not rumber. I 1226 01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,520 Speaker 1: will be governor of Arkansas. I'll probably doesn't you will 1227 01:00:08,440 --> 01:00:10,480 Speaker 1: go for it. I don't listen. If I can't want 1228 01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:13,640 Speaker 1: a dance show, I can't want anything. Is dancing and 1229 01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:15,840 Speaker 1: politics are pretty much the same thing. Just act like 1230 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,160 Speaker 1: you know what you're doing and act like you're enjoying it. 1231 01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 1: If people will be like, I vote for you, shake hands, kids, babies, 1232 01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and it's you. So I don't. I mean, skuy's the limit? Dude? Yeah? 1233 01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:29,440 Speaker 1: Once I guess about a year and a half ago, Um, 1234 01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,600 Speaker 1: I what's it going? I'm going to run for governor 1235 01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,840 Speaker 1: of Arkansas. And the real governor of Arkansas was starting 1236 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,840 Speaker 1: to be annoyed by the fact that all the press 1237 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,000 Speaker 1: was covering that I may run for the governor of Arkansas. 1238 01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,480 Speaker 1: And so he calls me and says, Bobb, why don't 1239 01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,320 Speaker 1: you come to the Governor's mansion now for me. I 1240 01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:47,440 Speaker 1: grew up in a town of seven hund people, Mountain Pine, Arkansas. 1241 01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:50,000 Speaker 1: That was a huge deal. There are two people that 1242 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,400 Speaker 1: I would look at as a kid and think they 1243 01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:54,840 Speaker 1: were hugely famous, the Governor and Ned probably the weather 1244 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:58,760 Speaker 1: man and Little Rock. Yes, and the Governor called me, 1245 01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:01,000 Speaker 1: and so I go and myke all friends time Lindsay. 1246 01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,920 Speaker 1: We go and we drive a little Rock and I'm 1247 01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:05,640 Speaker 1: freaking out, like I've done some cool stuff, but I'm 1248 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,360 Speaker 1: jaded by this whole thing. Now. Well you've seen a lot, yes, 1249 01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,360 Speaker 1: and and and again. I don't care about famous people 1250 01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:15,560 Speaker 1: so much because it's just people. It's just people, right, So, 1251 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:18,000 Speaker 1: but it's a freaking governor of Arkansas. Yes, I'm different 1252 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:19,640 Speaker 1: with him. This is the coolest thing. I go in 1253 01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:21,720 Speaker 1: and I didn't know he was throwing a party for me, 1254 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:24,000 Speaker 1: and they are like twelve people on the table. I 1255 01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,760 Speaker 1: want the menu. It's like you can't eat me, but 1256 01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,200 Speaker 1: I know. I was like, wow, this sounds really and 1257 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 1: especial guests Lindsay l her name was on there. So 1258 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,600 Speaker 1: we have this dinner. Everybody's like standing up saying and 1259 01:01:33,640 --> 01:01:35,480 Speaker 1: I'm like, what is happening. It's like Twilight Zone. I 1260 01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:37,280 Speaker 1: bet so He's like, hey, can I talk to you? 1261 01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:40,840 Speaker 1: Is he like, hey, can you not. Yeah he was. 1262 01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:44,440 Speaker 1: He was for real or was he just kind of 1263 01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:49,000 Speaker 1: being I wanted to know, Well, yeah, because you're you're 1264 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:51,320 Speaker 1: tour to forced dude. He wanted to really know. And 1265 01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,640 Speaker 1: I said, you know, I'm not going to run yet 1266 01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:58,520 Speaker 1: with him because he only had two terms. Anyone that 1267 01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,920 Speaker 1: like this year you want to again, And I wasn't 1268 01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:03,560 Speaker 1: gonna win, but I would have really been annoying, right, 1269 01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:05,720 Speaker 1: and again, who knows what everything has happened? Who knows? 1270 01:02:06,760 --> 01:02:08,480 Speaker 1: And so but we made a couple of deals and 1271 01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,680 Speaker 1: I got to see firsthand, made a couple of deals. 1272 01:02:10,840 --> 01:02:13,120 Speaker 1: Made a couple of deals in the back room that 1273 01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,440 Speaker 1: sounds is legal. One of Yeah, isn't everything legal in politics? 1274 01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:19,280 Speaker 1: One of them was that he would write in my book. 1275 01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:21,840 Speaker 1: And he wrote a thing in my book. My last 1276 01:02:21,880 --> 01:02:24,040 Speaker 1: books all about failure. That's all anyone could write about. 1277 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,440 Speaker 1: So he wrote about his biggest failure. And so another 1278 01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:29,000 Speaker 1: one I can tell you off the air. But yeah, 1279 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,240 Speaker 1: that was really cool for me to to go and 1280 01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:33,480 Speaker 1: do that. That's awesome to go. But I don't know 1281 01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:35,760 Speaker 1: how I got over to this. You know what was 1282 01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:37,919 Speaker 1: annoying to me at one point. I'm a huge Kyle 1283 01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,520 Speaker 1: Cubs fan. I'm gonna give you an analogy here. I'm 1284 01:02:40,520 --> 01:02:42,280 Speaker 1: a huge Chole Cubs fani. When they won the World Series. 1285 01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,440 Speaker 1: That was so annoyed with everybody who became Chico Cubs 1286 01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:48,000 Speaker 1: fans because he felt like it was I've been through 1287 01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,160 Speaker 1: all the crap. I've been a Cubs fans, get it. 1288 01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,800 Speaker 1: Whenever that song came out with Taylor, I was so 1289 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,040 Speaker 1: annoyed people that became fans of Civil Wars. I was 1290 01:02:56,120 --> 01:02:59,120 Speaker 1: so annoyed because all of a sudden, everybody loved him. 1291 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,440 Speaker 1: You got of the favorite band, and I was like, 1292 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,280 Speaker 1: you guys, suck you got. I was a fan because 1293 01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,920 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, everybody was all on the 1294 01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,680 Speaker 1: Civil Wars. And for about a month, I was like, yeah, 1295 01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:13,920 Speaker 1: it now that everybody knows, this was a big thing 1296 01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:17,840 Speaker 1: for you guys. It was. It was like it exposed 1297 01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:20,280 Speaker 1: you to so many people that may not have searched 1298 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,880 Speaker 1: for even your type of music. Absolutely absolutely, And I 1299 01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:26,480 Speaker 1: mean you know the timing of the Civil Wars coming 1300 01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,400 Speaker 1: out too, It's like, who had any idea that like 1301 01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:30,600 Speaker 1: Mumford and Sons in that whole kind of folk like 1302 01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,600 Speaker 1: revival was going to come. Nobody knew I didn't know that. 1303 01:03:34,120 --> 01:03:36,000 Speaker 1: We didn't write knowing that that was going to happen, 1304 01:03:36,600 --> 01:03:39,480 Speaker 1: but um, yeah, I mean we were we were playing 1305 01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:43,400 Speaker 1: a gig in l A. And Taylor texted me and 1306 01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:46,920 Speaker 1: we we'd met, you know, become friends, and she was like, hey, 1307 01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,720 Speaker 1: are you in town? I think you're in town. Checked 1308 01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,720 Speaker 1: out your tourist schedule. You're in town, right. I was 1309 01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,400 Speaker 1: like yeah. She's like I want you to come right 1310 01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:56,160 Speaker 1: with me. Um, and I was like, okay, well we 1311 01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,520 Speaker 1: gotta we got a gig tonight. And so she's like, 1312 01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:00,200 Speaker 1: it's okay, we can write it in like three hours. 1313 01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:03,120 Speaker 1: And so we went over to t bam Burnett Studio 1314 01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:06,720 Speaker 1: and um and literally wrote it in two hours, recorded 1315 01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,440 Speaker 1: the recorded what you hear the vocals like all in 1316 01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:14,680 Speaker 1: one room and UM and that was that. So when 1317 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,560 Speaker 1: it comes out Monster movie with a monster artist, yeah, 1318 01:04:18,960 --> 01:04:21,000 Speaker 1: from a monster book series that I was obsessed with 1319 01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,320 Speaker 1: it and that's a whole different days. I know, you 1320 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:27,320 Speaker 1: and I get nerd out later loved it. I mean 1321 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:31,640 Speaker 1: that did that kind of pivot you guys commercially. Yeah, 1322 01:04:31,720 --> 01:04:35,040 Speaker 1: I mean I think it did. What was amazing was, 1323 01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,520 Speaker 1: um was Taylor and Adele. You know those things were, 1324 01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,600 Speaker 1: and all the late nights starting to come, it was 1325 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,439 Speaker 1: you know, you could just we could just start seeing 1326 01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:51,880 Speaker 1: the snowball effect happen. Um. So that was so crazy. 1327 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,640 Speaker 1: I got to do so many things that I'd always 1328 01:04:53,680 --> 01:04:55,439 Speaker 1: hoped to do as an artist, and meet so many 1329 01:04:55,640 --> 01:04:57,800 Speaker 1: people that I always you know, looked up to, and 1330 01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:00,400 Speaker 1: have a lot of really good memories and take those 1331 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,840 Speaker 1: memories with me. You know, it was so painful when 1332 01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,160 Speaker 1: the duo ended, and it was abrupt, and it was 1333 01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,720 Speaker 1: it was really hard. But but I think now, you know, 1334 01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:13,720 Speaker 1: with making music now, Um, you know, it's not like 1335 01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,080 Speaker 1: I'm going to pretend I wasn't like ever that I 1336 01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:18,160 Speaker 1: didn't never do any of that. Like, it's really it's 1337 01:05:18,200 --> 01:05:20,760 Speaker 1: really important for me. It's fun to be nostalgic about it. 1338 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:23,200 Speaker 1: Um in the ways that it brings me a lot 1339 01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,160 Speaker 1: of joy and how many people enjoyed the music and 1340 01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:30,280 Speaker 1: connected with it and um and frankly allows me the 1341 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:36,000 Speaker 1: ability to keep making music now. So um, yeah, I 1342 01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:37,920 Speaker 1: don't really know how we got. I was annoyed with 1343 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:40,240 Speaker 1: Civil Wars fans. Civil Wars fans just oh yeah, just 1344 01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,800 Speaker 1: because you don't even real fans shut up. Well, you know, 1345 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:45,280 Speaker 1: What's funny is that you you talk about Chicago Cubs, 1346 01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:48,280 Speaker 1: but I got married to a Boston Red Sox fan 1347 01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:52,080 Speaker 1: in two thousand four, so which it was like, you know, 1348 01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:55,480 Speaker 1: that was the year. It was after eight six years, 1349 01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,720 Speaker 1: you know. So I'm I'm like laughing about you, you know, 1350 01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,600 Speaker 1: joking about the fair weather ends, and I'm like, I 1351 01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,400 Speaker 1: probably would have been one of them, if you could 1352 01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,080 Speaker 1: have considered me one of them, because I was like 1353 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,720 Speaker 1: San Francisco Giants fan and then all of a sudden 1354 01:06:07,720 --> 01:06:11,680 Speaker 1: married into like Red Sox family for like multiple generations 1355 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,600 Speaker 1: and was sitting next to my husband wearing like four 1356 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:19,160 Speaker 1: Red Sox shirts and all the house, Yeah, I'm married in, married, 1357 01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,439 Speaker 1: I did, I'm married in. Then you guys, you guys 1358 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:23,480 Speaker 1: put out a free download and you're done. The civil 1359 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:26,240 Speaker 1: wars are done. We put out a free download, and 1360 01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:29,560 Speaker 1: then we record an EP, the Poison and Wine EP, 1361 01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,840 Speaker 1: and put that out and that's when the placement for 1362 01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:36,200 Speaker 1: Gray's happens, and that's when stuff starts really like spinning. 1363 01:06:36,600 --> 01:06:39,200 Speaker 1: We record a record with Charlie Peacock, and we record 1364 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,480 Speaker 1: with Charlie because I've known him since I was seventeen, 1365 01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,080 Speaker 1: and I knew he could do a great job. Um. 1366 01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,400 Speaker 1: We recorded it in an old, like gutted church that 1367 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:53,040 Speaker 1: was Charlie and Andy's home, and UM put it out. 1368 01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,480 Speaker 1: And we've been touring and we just never stopped touring. 1369 01:06:55,600 --> 01:06:57,720 Speaker 1: We just toured and toured and tore it and toord 1370 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,240 Speaker 1: and toward and toward, which was helpful for our careers 1371 01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,280 Speaker 1: but not necessarily for our minds. Um. But and then 1372 01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:07,600 Speaker 1: and then you get the phone calls. You know, you 1373 01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:09,880 Speaker 1: know how this goes. It's like the phone call happens, 1374 01:07:09,920 --> 01:07:11,280 Speaker 1: and then you get a bigger phone call, and then 1375 01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,400 Speaker 1: you get a bigger phone call and it gets It's 1376 01:07:13,560 --> 01:07:16,360 Speaker 1: very um, it's very alluring, like saying yes, and you 1377 01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:18,320 Speaker 1: want to say yes because you've worked your whole life 1378 01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,400 Speaker 1: to get you know, to a certain to a certain place, 1379 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:24,280 Speaker 1: whatever that place is. Isn't it cool to finally be cool? 1380 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,360 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I don't know. Listen, I 1381 01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:28,880 Speaker 1: don't think I'll ever be cool. But what I mean 1382 01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:31,520 Speaker 1: is people actually thinking you're cool, Like I get work 1383 01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,240 Speaker 1: offered to me now, just like when you guys are blowing, 1384 01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:35,600 Speaker 1: you had to be like, oh, we've been working so 1385 01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:37,520 Speaker 1: hard and people now are offering us to come do 1386 01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,400 Speaker 1: these shows. Yeah, yeah it was. It felt really good. 1387 01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:42,760 Speaker 1: It felt really good. So what do you say about 1388 01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:47,760 Speaker 1: the breakup? Um? That it's layered and that I'm um 1389 01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:52,440 Speaker 1: only one half, so I try and speak with a 1390 01:07:52,560 --> 01:07:56,400 Speaker 1: lot of discretion UM, And that it was really fun 1391 01:07:56,520 --> 01:08:01,480 Speaker 1: until it wasn't. Do you miss having someone on stage 1392 01:08:01,560 --> 01:08:05,320 Speaker 1: as a partner or do you like just do enjoy now? 1393 01:08:05,560 --> 01:08:08,120 Speaker 1: I like doing this now. This feels very much like 1394 01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,480 Speaker 1: where I'm supposed to be, UM, and I can be 1395 01:08:10,560 --> 01:08:13,080 Speaker 1: thankful for the season and have learned a ship ton 1396 01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:17,519 Speaker 1: from it. UM. But I once had somebody in an 1397 01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:21,479 Speaker 1: office and a very high tall building, a very important building, UM, 1398 01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:23,240 Speaker 1: in a very big city tell me that no one 1399 01:08:23,280 --> 01:08:24,880 Speaker 1: wanted to hear me unless I was standing next to 1400 01:08:24,960 --> 01:08:29,080 Speaker 1: a man. And that, for me was the moment when 1401 01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,080 Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I don't think that's true 1402 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,240 Speaker 1: at all. And that was just a few years ago. 1403 01:08:33,920 --> 01:08:36,599 Speaker 1: So I think for me, I'm exactly where I need 1404 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,719 Speaker 1: to be. And it feels really good to be standing 1405 01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:42,280 Speaker 1: on my own t feet and I am collaborating with people. 1406 01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,800 Speaker 1: I have an amazing UM, I'm an amazing band that 1407 01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,000 Speaker 1: I get to travel with. I've got Anthony Da Costa 1408 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:50,800 Speaker 1: on guitar and Wilhelmina Frank Zerda who plays like every 1409 01:08:50,880 --> 01:08:53,720 Speaker 1: instrument you could possibly think of, and um, and we're 1410 01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:56,640 Speaker 1: harmonizing and um. You know, for a while we had 1411 01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,960 Speaker 1: an upright base and I just I love it. I 1412 01:08:59,080 --> 01:09:02,080 Speaker 1: do best when I elaborate. I'm not like a girl 1413 01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:04,840 Speaker 1: that that's like, you know, flag on a hill. It's 1414 01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:07,720 Speaker 1: my way or the highway. I've never been that way. Um, 1415 01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,160 Speaker 1: I do really, I think I do a lot better 1416 01:09:10,200 --> 01:09:12,760 Speaker 1: when I collaborate, and so I'll always do that in 1417 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,439 Speaker 1: some way, shape or form. Um. But this time, it 1418 01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:19,439 Speaker 1: says a solo artist date solo headlining tour starting February 1419 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,960 Speaker 1: Phoenix in a wrap up in Nashville. You doing two 1420 01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,320 Speaker 1: nights at Third and Lensley. Yeah. I wanted to come 1421 01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:26,800 Speaker 1: to your release show, and I felt so bad because 1422 01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:28,720 Speaker 1: I was like, I'm coming and I didn't get back 1423 01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,000 Speaker 1: in time. You're totally fine. It was so fun. It 1424 01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:32,680 Speaker 1: was at the O G Basement. Don't tell me how fun. 1425 01:09:33,720 --> 01:09:38,000 Speaker 1: It was terrible. Sound was awful, it was great. I'm sorry. 1426 01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:40,240 Speaker 1: It was so much fun and it felt so good 1427 01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:43,680 Speaker 1: to be back down there and um, industry friends and 1428 01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:47,160 Speaker 1: like you know, it just felt right. This season just 1429 01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,559 Speaker 1: feels I've been through some really, really tough seasons, Bobby 1430 01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,720 Speaker 1: like in the last few years, and it feels so 1431 01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:59,240 Speaker 1: damn good to be in in a season where things 1432 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:02,519 Speaker 1: feel like again, like they're resonating and where I feel 1433 01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:07,840 Speaker 1: more more grounded in myself. That feels really good. So 1434 01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:11,160 Speaker 1: regardless of what happens, I am pleased that the music 1435 01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:15,559 Speaker 1: seems to be connecting, but um yeah, I'm just enjoying 1436 01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:17,639 Speaker 1: myself that connects with me. I told you I listen 1437 01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:20,160 Speaker 1: this stuff all the time, all the time you and 1438 01:10:20,280 --> 01:10:22,519 Speaker 1: I won't. I think someone sent me hey here, so 1439 01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:25,640 Speaker 1: I would have listen to the whole record because I 1440 01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:27,880 Speaker 1: felt like I cheat, I didn't. I don't listen to 1441 01:10:27,920 --> 01:10:29,800 Speaker 1: a music from people ever, even my favorite artists. I 1442 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:34,320 Speaker 1: won't because I feel like that's cheating my people, and 1443 01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to be cooler than they are, and 1444 01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:38,120 Speaker 1: I don't want to be like I've already heard it 1445 01:10:38,160 --> 01:10:39,680 Speaker 1: wait till you hear it, except do you already saw 1446 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,439 Speaker 1: the music videos? So that's different. The reason I was 1447 01:10:41,439 --> 01:10:43,680 Speaker 1: able to cheat on that is wait, talk to me 1448 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,040 Speaker 1: about your justification, because I'm loving hearing that I could 1449 01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,799 Speaker 1: see it. What has that happen to do with anything? 1450 01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,400 Speaker 1: It was a music video. I would watch a movie 1451 01:10:50,439 --> 01:10:53,200 Speaker 1: screener before I would watch a movie. I don't same okay, 1452 01:10:53,439 --> 01:10:55,760 Speaker 1: So okay, I get movie screeners all the time. I 1453 01:10:55,760 --> 01:10:58,000 Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm cooler than anybody else the music 1454 01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,519 Speaker 1: videos that he check this out so and I was like, 1455 01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:02,479 Speaker 1: I was like, should I mute it and watch it? 1456 01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,479 Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't, but I felt like I did 1457 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,920 Speaker 1: feel like I was cheating. I like, I like these quirks. 1458 01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,599 Speaker 1: I liked that I'm figuring all quirks. Aren't we all? 1459 01:11:11,960 --> 01:11:14,920 Speaker 1: I think we all are all quirks. I totally get that. 1460 01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:16,640 Speaker 1: The other day I was like, where's the lid to 1461 01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:18,760 Speaker 1: this pen? Where's the lid to this pen? And I'm like, oh, 1462 01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit crazy. Do you know what has 1463 01:11:20,840 --> 01:11:23,200 Speaker 1: made my life better? This massive sharpie that I have? 1464 01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:26,719 Speaker 1: And because I checked, I haven't big on the lists. 1465 01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:28,680 Speaker 1: I o c D about lists. I have lists. I 1466 01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:31,800 Speaker 1: check everything off. I can't walk. Mike is my head 1467 01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:33,479 Speaker 1: writer on the show, so I write all the games 1468 01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:35,040 Speaker 1: and a lot of the stories that I talked about. 1469 01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:37,040 Speaker 1: He has them already and I have this thing that 1470 01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:38,680 Speaker 1: I check off, And about halfway through the show, I 1471 01:11:38,680 --> 01:11:40,000 Speaker 1: give him everything i' checked off. He has to give 1472 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:41,519 Speaker 1: me a whole new list of things I haven't checked off, 1473 01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,479 Speaker 1: and he got me this big sharpie. Let's enjoy. I 1474 01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:47,400 Speaker 1: can mark off and holding with one sharpie stroke. It's 1475 01:11:47,479 --> 01:11:52,200 Speaker 1: the greatest thing. I love it so much. Are you 1476 01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:56,040 Speaker 1: endorsed by Sharpie? Because I'm not, But I am endorsed 1477 01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:01,680 Speaker 1: by the General Insurance? Are yes? You are? Catch That's right. 1478 01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:04,840 Speaker 1: They're not even advertising on this. That's amazing. What's on 1479 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:07,400 Speaker 1: the top of your list right now? On what what 1480 01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,760 Speaker 1: to do? Oh? Every day, like I make a list 1481 01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:12,760 Speaker 1: of things to talk about on the show, and so 1482 01:12:13,320 --> 01:12:14,920 Speaker 1: you know, we started five am, and so I have 1483 01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:17,240 Speaker 1: what I want to do. My show doesn't see my 1484 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:19,080 Speaker 1: my page. No one on my show, one on your 1485 01:12:19,080 --> 01:12:21,760 Speaker 1: show does. Is the only one that sees it. You're 1486 01:12:21,800 --> 01:12:25,200 Speaker 1: the keeper and also the helper. I'd never allowed any 1487 01:12:25,360 --> 01:12:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm kind of a control freakause I never depended on 1488 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,880 Speaker 1: anyone else. I know. I finally let someone in a 1489 01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,920 Speaker 1: little bit, so Mike does it with me now and 1490 01:12:33,080 --> 01:12:35,120 Speaker 1: so no one sees it. And so every day it's 1491 01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:37,120 Speaker 1: like a different different thing. And do you have lists 1492 01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,479 Speaker 1: for like taking care of things? You need to take 1493 01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,200 Speaker 1: care of everything on my computer all the time. If 1494 01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:43,599 Speaker 1: I'm packing and make a list of things I gotta 1495 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,000 Speaker 1: make sure to put in my suitcase and then I 1496 01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,599 Speaker 1: take it and not erase it. Were you doing? Were 1497 01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:50,639 Speaker 1: you like that as a kid? I think I would 1498 01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:55,360 Speaker 1: had to find ways to be efficient and get things done. Yep, yep, 1499 01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:00,240 Speaker 1: So probably in different ways. I get that. So but yeah, 1500 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,599 Speaker 1: my point is we're all just quirks. Dude for days, 1501 01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,960 Speaker 1: for days, I get it. I totally get it. Been 1502 01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:14,240 Speaker 1: talking that funny, that's funny. Sometimes we'll shut these things 1503 01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:16,000 Speaker 1: out like thirty minutes time. Well, I get it. I've 1504 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:18,439 Speaker 1: been there. That's like, that's like you have a lot 1505 01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,559 Speaker 1: of first dates, you know what I mean? With people 1506 01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:23,720 Speaker 1: that it's it's like you you know pretty quickly if 1507 01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:25,839 Speaker 1: if you're like, oh, no, I'll just have a salad, 1508 01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:29,360 Speaker 1: like can I get the side salad please? And no 1509 01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:31,200 Speaker 1: I don't want coffee. At the end of this, I'm good. 1510 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,240 Speaker 1: I got somewhere to go. I totally get it. I 1511 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:37,040 Speaker 1: have a lot of first dates up here that because 1512 01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:38,559 Speaker 1: it's a lot. It's like someone coming into my house 1513 01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,040 Speaker 1: every time. To know. I get that, but I don't 1514 01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:42,240 Speaker 1: have a lot of first dates in life, like I 1515 01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:49,160 Speaker 1: have more work first days. I'm sorry, you gotta make 1516 01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,320 Speaker 1: up that ratio. You gotta mix up that ratio. And 1517 01:13:52,400 --> 01:13:54,920 Speaker 1: but you have to slow down if you're gonna meet. 1518 01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:56,559 Speaker 1: But I don't know how to do that. I don't 1519 01:13:56,560 --> 01:13:58,439 Speaker 1: even have to meet anybody. Now, what do you mean 1520 01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,519 Speaker 1: there's like eight million ways to meet people. I'm not 1521 01:14:02,760 --> 01:14:06,280 Speaker 1: really well, not really. I mean you can meet people, 1522 01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:08,880 Speaker 1: but it just depends what kind of quality interaction you want. 1523 01:14:08,960 --> 01:14:12,439 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to Yeah, yeah, you're you're past like 1524 01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:15,479 Speaker 1: this swipe and all that stuff. Yeah, I'm not better 1525 01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:17,680 Speaker 1: than it. No, I don't think you're saying that. I 1526 01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:19,680 Speaker 1: just think I hear you saying I don't really want 1527 01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,879 Speaker 1: to do that, and I don't trust people anymore, anybody. 1528 01:14:23,200 --> 01:14:24,960 Speaker 1: Gratia Marks used to say, I don't want to be 1529 01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,040 Speaker 1: in a club that would would have me, And it's like, 1530 01:14:28,200 --> 01:14:32,360 Speaker 1: I don't want to date anyone that wants to date me. Well, 1531 01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:36,920 Speaker 1: then they're they're in lies. Your quandary, dude, never ending. 1532 01:14:38,680 --> 01:14:41,320 Speaker 1: You need a hug, Dude, I need a hug, and 1533 01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:43,840 Speaker 1: I'll end with this story before I finish on your story. 1534 01:14:44,720 --> 01:14:46,320 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, and this is not a 1535 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:49,160 Speaker 1: way story, but this is just a quick overview at 1536 01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,040 Speaker 1: how my life is different but the same. When I 1537 01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,200 Speaker 1: was a kid, I would like when church would drop 1538 01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:57,320 Speaker 1: me off, I would never let them drop me in 1539 01:14:57,400 --> 01:14:59,120 Speaker 1: front of my house because I'm embarrassed to where I lived. 1540 01:14:59,640 --> 01:15:01,880 Speaker 1: I would never let anyone go to my house because 1541 01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:04,240 Speaker 1: I was embarrassed of where I lived at all. No 1542 01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,280 Speaker 1: one you couldn't see it, because I didn't want people 1543 01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:10,920 Speaker 1: to see, you know how poor I was, and so 1544 01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,719 Speaker 1: they I would have them dropping off a block away, 1545 01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,920 Speaker 1: three blocks away, and I would lie about where I 1546 01:15:15,000 --> 01:15:18,639 Speaker 1: lived all the time. The same thing, just different because 1547 01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,840 Speaker 1: I do well now, I don't want anyone to see 1548 01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:23,360 Speaker 1: where I live, except that we're all coming into your house. Well, 1549 01:15:23,439 --> 01:15:26,599 Speaker 1: this is work, work is complete, separate. But I don't want, 1550 01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,000 Speaker 1: I want. I don't want anyone to come into my 1551 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:30,960 Speaker 1: house like personally, like just like a chill day. I 1552 01:15:31,000 --> 01:15:34,240 Speaker 1: don't want him to judge in any way. It's the 1553 01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,600 Speaker 1: same feeling because I want him to always got a 1554 01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:39,160 Speaker 1: nice house. I should probably want to like him the 1555 01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:40,479 Speaker 1: same way. I don't even be like, oh, he's got 1556 01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:42,479 Speaker 1: a terribly house. I don't want to I should not 1557 01:15:42,600 --> 01:15:46,040 Speaker 1: like him. That feels exactly the same, Like it make 1558 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,920 Speaker 1: given me this like nauseous feeling. This is so like 1559 01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:50,960 Speaker 1: I appreciate you being this honest and open with me. 1560 01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:54,600 Speaker 1: This is it's really fascinating. It's like you feel you 1561 01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:59,160 Speaker 1: feel really self conscious completely, Yeah, in the same way. Yeah, 1562 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:04,000 Speaker 1: just different circumstances. Yeah, yeah, like full one eight. Yeah, 1563 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:12,760 Speaker 1: it's like full circles. Yeah, the circumstances, but on the 1564 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,920 Speaker 1: circumstances three sixty on the field for a song that's 1565 01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:18,960 Speaker 1: on you, we'll just have to write it together. We'll 1566 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,400 Speaker 1: do We'll write it together. Let me say this. The 1567 01:16:21,520 --> 01:16:24,080 Speaker 1: record is called Front Porch and it is not out yet, 1568 01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:25,840 Speaker 1: as she's told she scolded me at the first of 1569 01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:28,479 Speaker 1: this podcast. Hopefully just gently school. I was talking about 1570 01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:33,320 Speaker 1: this song. But the record comes out and they're so 1571 01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:38,720 Speaker 1: many dates. Are all the dates up at Joy Williams. Yeah, okay, yep, 1572 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,960 Speaker 1: they are. They're all available tickets a lot of them 1573 01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:42,800 Speaker 1: are selling out, which just feels great because the record 1574 01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:44,640 Speaker 1: is not even out yet. How about that, right, Like, 1575 01:16:44,720 --> 01:16:46,000 Speaker 1: isn't it a thing when people want to come to 1576 01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,280 Speaker 1: a show, it's getting nervous. I just feel grateful. That's 1577 01:16:49,320 --> 01:16:52,240 Speaker 1: what I feel like. I just I'm like, I literally 1578 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,280 Speaker 1: sometimes I'll say, I can't believe you guys are here, 1579 01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,560 Speaker 1: and that's how I feel every night. I'm like, I 1580 01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,960 Speaker 1: can't believe. I can't believe you showed up. I feel 1581 01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,160 Speaker 1: the same freaking win. Know. I do stand up and 1582 01:17:01,200 --> 01:17:05,800 Speaker 1: there'll be three thousand people or two in theater. People 1583 01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,400 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter, and I will be like, I can't 1584 01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,080 Speaker 1: believe you guys will paying money to watch me do this. 1585 01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:13,800 Speaker 1: I know, but what a gift. It's so fun. I 1586 01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:16,080 Speaker 1: love singing. I love when people show up. It's so 1587 01:17:16,280 --> 01:17:18,479 Speaker 1: much fun. And I just feel like we're literally just 1588 01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:20,840 Speaker 1: hanging out on you know, on a front porch, I guess, 1589 01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,760 Speaker 1: or I have say sometimes in the living room, which 1590 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,920 Speaker 1: feels like we're all in it together. I love that feeling. 1591 01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna come. I'm gonna come. Ye you wanted to 1592 01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,479 Speaker 1: come already. I never go to anybody, but I'm so 1593 01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,519 Speaker 1: sad I missed it. Okay, let let me do the 1594 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:33,519 Speaker 1: money stuff here. The album Front Porch comes out May three. 1595 01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,479 Speaker 1: If it's after May three, it is out for you. Now, 1596 01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:37,639 Speaker 1: you should stream it, download it, you should go watch 1597 01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:42,200 Speaker 1: a show. Um, it's been what almost four years since Venus? 1598 01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:45,559 Speaker 1: Is that right? A little? Yeah? Give her take about 1599 01:17:45,560 --> 01:17:47,720 Speaker 1: four years, give or take. Yeah, that's a long that's 1600 01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:51,240 Speaker 1: a long time. It's been a few different life wow. 1601 01:17:51,640 --> 01:17:56,080 Speaker 1: Um okay. Headlining tour starts February and Phoenix and then 1602 01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:58,200 Speaker 1: she's all over the place. Well, let me say this 1603 01:17:58,280 --> 01:18:00,120 Speaker 1: has been a real treat for me. I rarely get 1604 01:18:00,160 --> 01:18:01,760 Speaker 1: to pulling people that I'm a genuine fan of. Most 1605 01:18:01,800 --> 01:18:03,120 Speaker 1: of the time. People come in and I'm like, hey, 1606 01:18:03,160 --> 01:18:05,000 Speaker 1: you're pretty good at what you do. Let's talk about it. 1607 01:18:06,240 --> 01:18:08,920 Speaker 1: Than it was good Joy Williams at Joy Williams. Anything 1608 01:18:08,920 --> 01:18:11,320 Speaker 1: you'd like to say. You took a breath. I thought 1609 01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:12,840 Speaker 1: I was interrupted. No, I was just saying I was 1610 01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:14,560 Speaker 1: just gonna say, it's really fun hanging out with you. 1611 01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,479 Speaker 1: Thanks for letting me bombard your your cossa and you 1612 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:21,880 Speaker 1: cursed several times. Preachers daughter that cusses. Yeah. Living on 1613 01:18:21,960 --> 01:18:25,160 Speaker 1: the Edge at Joy Williams Record Front Porch check out 1614 01:18:25,200 --> 01:18:27,400 Speaker 1: Front Porch song. The video will be out sometimes soon. 1615 01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:29,599 Speaker 1: Let me tell you it is a freaking awesome video. 1616 01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,960 Speaker 1: When you see it, I'll go and post it on 1617 01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:36,800 Speaker 1: my account tonight, episode one before Joy. Thank you all right, 1618 01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:37,000 Speaker 1: every