1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Amy roboc and TJ. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Alisa Donovan. Hey, everyone, 3 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 2: welcome back to Killer Thriller. We're jumping back into our 4 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 2: conversation with Kato Kaelin, who ended up at the center 5 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,159 Speaker 2: of one of the biggest trials in history. From what 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 2: that night actually felt like to how it's been portrayed 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 2: ever since, there is a lot more to unpack with Kato, 8 00:00:32,720 --> 00:00:35,239 Speaker 2: what he saw, what he lived through, and how he 9 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: looks at all of it. Now, what's the one misconception 10 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 2: that drives you the craziest that people think? Like as 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: a public. 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:47,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose because it doesn't bother me anymore because 13 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: I'm older and I'm very secure. But back then, because 14 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,240 Speaker 3: I saw what the painting costs my mom, my family, 15 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 3: that there is this thing back in current affair, that 16 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,680 Speaker 3: I was a drug dealer and I say this, Oh 17 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: my gosh, I've never and by the way, people will say, 18 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 3: I've never done a drug in my entire life, I 19 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 3: swear to God and people. 20 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: Because I had long hair, so it was like. 21 00:01:07,840 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 3: Oh man, I was kind of gappy, but I was like, okay, 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 3: and if I have a beer, that's rare. 23 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: I have a. 24 00:01:17,240 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: Back then, I maybe a beer in a month. Now 25 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 3: I can have a beer in a week or whatever. 26 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:25,479 Speaker 1: I just don't. I don't know which. 27 00:01:25,760 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 3: It's not even it's just like, oh my god, I'm 28 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: not that that guy. And people go, oh, I saw you, 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 3: you did coc and all that. I said, No, I 30 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 3: never proved proved something to me. That's what people want 31 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 3: to just say things. So it was that would be 32 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 3: the thing. And I've got friends that do drugs and 33 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: smoke pot all the time. I have nothing against that's 34 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 3: their thing, right, So I'm still friends with them. 35 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: Like it's not it's not me, right do you have? 36 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: So you have a daughter? How old your daughter? 37 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 1: My daughter now is? She doesn't want to tell her age? 38 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: Oh she doesn't. 39 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 1: Okay, Oh she's she's uh in her late thirties. Late thirties. 40 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 2: That doesn't seem possible that you could considering. Yeah, quite handsome. 41 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: She she's in the cart. 42 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 2: But what does she think about all of this? 43 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: She was, she's the greatest Tiffany. She's amazing. 44 00:02:16,560 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 3: So when she's a kid during the trot, and I'd 45 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:21,360 Speaker 3: pick her up and not with her mom anymore, but 46 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 3: I'd pick her up and all that she thought it 47 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,840 Speaker 3: was kind of cool like that, and maybe her teachers knew, 48 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 3: maybe the kids knew from that and they thought, okay, 49 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 3: it gives her some points. 50 00:02:29,880 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 1: But I say, Tiff done, this is not good. 51 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,480 Speaker 3: And then the only bad part is there this time 52 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:37,960 Speaker 3: it was I couldn't really even go out because at 53 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 3: that time, sure it was it was like a like 54 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 3: a beatle Mania, but people could go bad on me 55 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: or good on me. And it was it was crazy. 56 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 3: I mean, where I lived, I had notes under the 57 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 3: door that I had the tmzs were out there. It 58 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: was you have to back in ninety four ninety five, 59 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 3: it was it was insane. Yeah, it was insane. 60 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was everything everywhere all the time. Time 61 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 2: there was that. 62 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: I was an int I became an introvert. I hated it. 63 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: Oh so when. 64 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 3: She come by for the weekends and a halver, it 65 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 3: would be we just kind of had to hang out 66 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: at home, so we'd go out and all that, but 67 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: it was it was hard. So that was kind of 68 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 3: hard on her. But she's the greatest sense of humor. 69 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: She's very funny. 70 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So does she ask you about it now? Is 71 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: it still a no? 72 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: Not really, She's busying her own stuff that goes on 73 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: in life. 74 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, my own life, dad. Yeah. Do you think that 75 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 2: people would look at the case differently today than the nineties. 76 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: Do you think that we like, if this were to 77 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: happen today, it would be a different trial. 78 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 3: It would be a completely different trial. I mean they would. 79 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 3: It depends. It really is important to where the trial 80 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 3: takes place, like a downtown compared to Santa Monica. 81 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: I think they'd look at that. 82 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,360 Speaker 3: I think you kind of look at it a trial 83 00:03:53,400 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 3: of if it's an election year, because I think prosecutors 84 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 3: or whatever that's going the das, they all want to 85 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 3: have it so they have a case that gets them votes. 86 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: So I think that's all depends. 87 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 3: But the advancements now of technology, because we do I 88 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 3: do shows we've had the best people in genealogy and 89 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 3: it's amazing because you cannot you can't get away with crime. 90 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 3: I think they'll find a match somehow, and we do 91 00:04:18,880 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: the stories of someone in your family. You can match 92 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 3: it up now. It's just incredible. So crime is like 93 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,040 Speaker 3: the people have to be insane. I think they want 94 00:04:28,080 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 3: to have to be caught just they want to. I'll 95 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 3: tell you something that's amazing because you know you're doing 96 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 3: a crime show, and I do this crime. If you 97 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: go on I'm addicted to I find stories a lout 98 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 3: on ex Twitter, So if you just go on there, 99 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 3: you'll be blown away out. Every day there's a killing 100 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 3: you won't believe is happening, and you just go what 101 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 3: humanity is sick? 102 00:04:56,000 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: Right, stuff that you would never even you can't believe. 103 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I wonder if it's like, are 104 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 2: these things happening more or is it just that we 105 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 2: have exposure to that? 106 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: I think both. 107 00:05:06,120 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 3: I think it happened more, but the exposure makes it. Yeah, 108 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 3: And I think the more people become immune to it 109 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 3: makes it easier for them to do it, like, oh, 110 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 3: it's a no right thing. I'll shoot up a school 111 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 3: and it's it's sort of like nothing. I mean think 112 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: about it. 113 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,600 Speaker 1: Does anything? Could anything surprise you? Now? What could be? 114 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: I mean Martians coming down? 115 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 3: Man, But it's I'm ready for anything now, right. 116 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: What was harder for you testifying or watching yourself testify 117 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,239 Speaker 2: later on TV? 118 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: Oh, testifying ten times harder, because I really I don't 119 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:40,919 Speaker 3: think I've ever gone back to watch me testifying Zeptan shows. 120 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: I didn't watch the tapes. 121 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 3: It was testifying because I'll never forget the feeling of 122 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:48,479 Speaker 3: the attorney I had at the time of doing a 123 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,320 Speaker 3: four am wake up to do a run before and. 124 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: Getting down there. 125 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,599 Speaker 3: I was down there when I satisfied, I was actually 126 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 3: down there a lot more waiting in this room. 127 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: Closet. 128 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 3: Basically he sat there waiting to see you because I 129 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 3: was on call. 130 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: So I just know. It screwed up my stomach big time. 131 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: So I'm a very high strong person and I want 132 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 3: to make sure he did everything proper and it's just 133 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: right because I just wanted to justice to happen. So 134 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 3: I it just destroyed my insides. 135 00:06:19,480 --> 00:06:20,480 Speaker 2: I bet yeah. 136 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 3: And now at that time, it was the hard copies 137 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,040 Speaker 3: and the current affairs that would have a story all time. 138 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 3: And when they ran that guy who used to go 139 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: on the all time saying I sold him drug, it 140 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 3: was whatever it was, and I was just go, oh 141 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 3: my god, this isn't true. So I kept had the 142 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 3: attorney go to the shows, have that person come face 143 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 3: to face, and I want this, yeah, And then they 144 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 3: turn out supposedly it turned out to be a producer 145 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 3: that was trying to. 146 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:49,200 Speaker 2: Like egging him, trying to get. 147 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 3: In the silhouette was actually a producer of some show 148 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 3: trying to do it for the ratings. 149 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things that were happenings. 150 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: What how how did you feel when OJ died? 151 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: You know, I released something. Every I got my phone 152 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 3: was going off and all the shows. When I just said, uh, 153 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 3: what I should do? I called some confided my really 154 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 3: great friends, and they kind of just said, why don't 155 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 3: you just put out your own like tweet social thing. 156 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 3: I did a thirty second and I said, it's never 157 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 3: for the kids. I said, it's never hard to lose 158 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 3: a parent. My heart goes on to the kids. And 159 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 3: I said, Nicole's a beacon of light. And I didn't 160 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 3: know Ron, but I'm sure that I hopefully brings closure 161 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 3: of these beautiful people that lost their lives. And I just, 162 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: I just I think that was the right thing to say. Yeah, 163 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 3: and just that, I. 164 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: Mean, this is another piece that sort of gets lost 165 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 2: that through all of this that you lost a friend, 166 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: like this woman was your good friend. 167 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 4: Yeah. 168 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:53,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and the kids lost mom and dad, and you 169 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:57,560 Speaker 3: know it was sort of you know, is it the 170 00:07:57,800 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 3: is the end of it? It's the end of it 171 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 3: with the o A. But this story always will go 172 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 3: on with every trial and it'll always be compared to that, 173 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 3: Like I said, the template, but that's what that's what 174 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 3: I released there of the you know, the beacon of 175 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 3: light that she was. And like I said, Ron, and 176 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: I hope it's closure for people, which I don't think 177 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: it's ever gonna be closure for the Goldman family. Yeah, 178 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 3: I can't answer for the Browns, but I just I 179 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 3: think Kim put a statement. 180 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: Out, h. 181 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 2: Ohuld you still live in Brettwood. 182 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: Oh no, So I don't live in Brettwhen I actually 183 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 3: where you're taping right now, is I walk because I'm 184 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 3: into Lucal, like the most wonderful around. 185 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the best. 186 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: So I live there and I do a lot of 187 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: the little article shared later just because it's just said 188 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: the man, the myth, your neighbor, Kato Kayla, the last Luke. 189 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:03,319 Speaker 1: At times, I love it because. 190 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you ever are people ever like oh my god. 191 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I walk. It's like Norm from Cheers. 192 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: So I go out on Riverside Drive. 193 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 3: It's just I love it because it's very Wisconsin, because 194 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 3: people are friendly. 195 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 1: It's like hey, Kato. So it's makes me feel fantastic. 196 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 2: Our other studio is very close. It's like right by 197 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: Bundy and Gretory. It's very close to everything, all of it. 198 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I I think in the time that I 199 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 3: went to Bundy, it be after the trial. 200 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: It was at least twenty years. I never even went 201 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 1: in that area. 202 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 3: Oh wow, I just didn't just my choice, but I 203 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: never did. I just didn't want to even go there. 204 00:09:42,400 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 3: And then I got my The One Degree Scandal show. 205 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 3: We went on the tour of everything, and I even 206 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,439 Speaker 3: declined I wanted the Tom Zander's guy do the show with. 207 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: He went there with the sights on Bundy, and so 208 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 3: that was my first time doing it. 209 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 2: I didn't want to do that, like I didn't, But. 210 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: Now now I did. I think it's I it was 211 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: really healthy for me to do it. So I did it. 212 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 3: We did the OJ and then it's so it's so 213 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 3: bizarre because we did the episode of Nick Reiner. Rob 214 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 3: Reiner and I used to run a lot. I had 215 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: no idea. I used to run by Reiner's house. It's 216 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 3: it's like a minute away from Rocking, It's like a 217 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 3: minute away. And it was that he lived in the 218 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:28,199 Speaker 3: guest house and so we went down there, and sure enough, 219 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 3: as soon as I was doing my stand and doing 220 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 3: our piece, a car went by on one of those 221 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 3: SUV's the tinted windows, and it was the New York 222 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 3: Post and they did a whole interview and I didn't know, 223 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 3: but it's it's so funny how that. 224 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: Tragedy in Brentwood. 225 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 2: I don't get it right, right, that's a lot in one. 226 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 3: I actually got married in May twenty one at David 227 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: Zucker's house. 228 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: David walked my ride down. 229 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 3: David did airplane, David did yeh naked scary movie. 230 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: Naked guns. Yeah, naked gun. So he walked. We did that. 231 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:03,200 Speaker 3: He wasn't Retwood. So David, you know, had OJ and 232 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3: all the naked gun movies. So during my speech I 233 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 3: had said, David, thank you for the use of your 234 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:09,959 Speaker 3: house and thank you for not inviting Nordberg. 235 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: So that's where he. 236 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 3: Was living, right, and yeah, because he's a Wisconsin guy, 237 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 3: we're all Wisconsin. 238 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: What did you think when he was getting arrested for 239 00:11:21,080 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: all the various things afterwards? 240 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 3: That's a great question. I this is so true. When 241 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 3: you hang around bad people, bad things happen. All the 242 00:11:29,800 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 3: people at OJ's hanging out with at that time were 243 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: we're just like criminal people, and criminal things happened, and 244 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 3: that's why the Vegas you know, we went to prison 245 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: in Vegas. That's why that stuff happened. That's why you know, 246 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 3: there was some nine one calls with his daughter in Florida. 247 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 3: There was other fights that happened. It was it was 248 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 3: the that fall from Grace. It was honestly so high 249 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,120 Speaker 3: and then it just after the trial, he was a 250 00:11:58,160 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 3: broken man. 251 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,439 Speaker 1: I think he didn't have that. He didn't have that. 252 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 3: The people that I think adored him were not the 253 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 3: right people that were you want. 254 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 2: To adore you, Well, he probably was running out of 255 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 2: people to adore him. 256 00:12:10,320 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think he probably made I mean, his 257 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 3: pension was never touched from NFL, and I'm sure he 258 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 3: got autograph shows. I don't know financially how he did, 259 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 3: but he still was making a lot of money from 260 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 3: his pension. 261 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 262 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 2: Do you know, I think about his kids so much. 263 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 2: Do you know anything about what they're doing today or 264 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 2: how they are this. 265 00:12:29,240 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 3: The only thing I heard was that Justin was in 266 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 3: some sort of thing going on in Vegas with the 267 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 3: house with not moving on. It wasn't it wasn't a 268 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,480 Speaker 3: good thing. So that's the only thing I heard. I 269 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 3: heard Sydney was in real estate in Florida, and that's 270 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: it from what I heard. But I think they're doing okay. 271 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 3: That's no touch of me communicating with them. 272 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 2: That's what I've heard. Oh man, So okay, after all 273 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: of these years, what still doesn't sit right with you 274 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 2: about the case itself and the trial? 275 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 3: I think what I I think it's kind of the jury. 276 00:13:10,200 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 3: I I think that's it as it stands out, that 277 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 3: I would think that the prosecution didn't feel like they 278 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: were horrible about the DNA and how the defense had 279 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 3: bury Shack and I think that he kind of could 280 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 3: prove that, you know, there's contamination, and you know, I 281 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:30,960 Speaker 3: think that wasn't true at all. 282 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 1: I think I think that's the biggest thing about it. 283 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 3: That's I think turned the trial with the DNA evidence 284 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:42,679 Speaker 3: of it was so much against OJ but somehow this 285 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 3: lawyer could turn it into this is. 286 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 2: A I And so I agree, I don't know how 287 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: that happened. 288 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, and only because I don't take sides. I met 289 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: all the detectives. After all these years, I don't I 290 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: think there there's no way they would ever try to 291 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 3: plant evidence. People would go is, no, of course it's elither, 292 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: it's corrupt. I just don't think that there's there's nothing 293 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:09,559 Speaker 3: that they would have done. 294 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 2: Pretty extreme thing to do. Like when you break down 295 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: what their argument, what they were saying actually happened, it's 296 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: like that is so extreme for someone to do. Even 297 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: the most racist cop ever like Furman, you can't it 298 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 2: just it's it's outrageous. 299 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty areous. And how to do it? 300 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 3: You got to you got to plan there to be 301 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 3: a murder in the first place, to be there, and 302 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: you're on call. 303 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 1: It comes at five eight, at four thirty am. To us, 304 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: it's just. 305 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 3: Like no, no one would have thought this out, So 306 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: you know this. I also think another thing is there 307 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 3: was so much evidence that I think the worst part 308 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 3: also is the evidence that the prosecution didn't use. I 309 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 3: say this because I met all those people after the fact. 310 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 3: I met a skip Junis, who is the guy whose 311 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 3: wife worked at American Airlines that night, who oj he 312 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 3: was then picking up his wife. He's parked behind the 313 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 3: limo and he watched him go into In the trial, 314 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 3: I described a like a backpack college backpack that He 315 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 3: didn't want me to touch the put in the luggage 316 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 3: because I was closer. He goes, no, I'll get that, 317 00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: and so that was never found. But Skip Junis saw 318 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: him get out of the limo and he couldn't figure 319 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,480 Speaker 3: out why he put his hand this far down a 320 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 3: guard into the bag and then that far down a 321 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 3: garbage in the garbage, you know, knowing you throw out 322 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 3: something like this, just down in the garbage, putting this. 323 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 3: And he worked as an advertising agency. He's a completely 324 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 3: trustworthy this guy. Skip Juna Is one of her episodes. 325 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 3: It's amazing that they use that didn't use that. They 326 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: didn't use Jill Shively, who saw the Bundy the car. 327 00:15:48,960 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 3: You know, she didn't get used because supposedly she sold money. 328 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 3: She got money from hard copy. 329 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 1: But she's there. She called the it's a nine to 330 00:15:58,720 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: one call. 331 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: She called, I think it's drunk driver, and then she 332 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: realized she memorized the plate and then she heard the voice. 333 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 3: She goes, she happened to watch Naked Gun that night. 334 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: Before she goes, that's oj. He had his lights off 335 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 3: coming through the There was the sand descent in Bundy 336 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 3: coming up that way, and his car went up on 337 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 3: the curb and almost hit her. So she wrote it 338 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 3: down as a drunk driver. Oh god, that was the time. 339 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 2: Why didn't they. 340 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: They thought it was because she sold it that they 341 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 3: the defense could say that, well, she was in it 342 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: for the money she made up. 343 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: But the calls on tape and it's it's sort of 344 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: like those two very important witnesses were. 345 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 2: Never called right. And that was the same with fay Resnick. Right, 346 00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 2: wasn't she not able to testify or something because she 347 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 2: sold her story? 348 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 3: Or it could have been maybe I don't remember the 349 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 3: faith thing, but yeah, she never called right. I think 350 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 3: sometimes the prosecution has their case. They you know, they 351 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 3: build the case. You know, you go to a grand jury, 352 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 3: then the grand jury, then they go, okay, we can 353 00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: build the case. 354 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: And they thought they i think, thought they had so. 355 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 3: Much evidence that they didn't need all that because they 356 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 3: found the blood they found these, the glove, the socks 357 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,640 Speaker 3: that oh they didn't use the socks upstairs that were 358 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 3: had blood on the all the socks because they were 359 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 3: black socks. And they but they when they did it, 360 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 3: they found they were bloody. They never used those. They 361 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: found blood in the in the washing machine. 362 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: So this song. 363 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 3: That's documented, never used. Well, Tom Lang, the detective, became 364 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 3: a friend. He has a book called Evidence Withdrawn. I 365 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 3: think it's called Evidence Dismissed and he explains it all 366 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 3: the evidence that they had that wasn't used, and he 367 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 3: got upset with the prosecution. 368 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 2: I don't write I would be too. That doesn't make 369 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 2: any sense. When when I spoke with Keith, he was 370 00:17:48,600 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: saying that that he was supposed to testify as well, 371 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: and then they ultimately said no because it had spun 372 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 2: so out of control with the racial stuff that it 373 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 2: had become about raised exactly, and they worried that they 374 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,880 Speaker 2: would use him as an as an example of how okay, Well, 375 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 2: oj knew that you were in a relationship with Nicole 376 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: and you were there around him and he never killed 377 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 2: you or never hurt you. So they took him out. 378 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,720 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, they had that because they saw he 379 00:18:20,800 --> 00:18:22,679 Speaker 3: had sex with her, I guess on a couch and 380 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 3: he was outside watching it. So I think that was 381 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 3: part of the argument, is like why didn't they why 382 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 3: didn't you go crazy? 383 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:29,240 Speaker 1: Then? Right? Right? 384 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: So? 385 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 3: And I will never know the answer to so many things. 386 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 3: And I said that the correct I'm not going to 387 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 3: correct myself. But Tom Lange does have that book got 388 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,719 Speaker 3: so I'm pretty positive stuff about Ducks. It's all in 389 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 3: there because I've met with him many times through the years. 390 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 2: Right, what do you how much do you think celebrity 391 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,560 Speaker 2: had to do with this case? 392 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: Uh? For the jury? 393 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 3: Like ninety Percy, like. 394 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: I said, they liked him a lot, they loved they waved. 395 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, he was the I mean people, he 396 00:19:00,600 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 3: was charismatic guy, and he was in his films and 397 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 3: he was the hurts guy. He was, you know, and 398 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,359 Speaker 3: OJ didn't see himself as black. He's you know, he said, 399 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 3: I'm just I'm not black or white. 400 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: I'm OJ. So that was one of his quotes. 401 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 2: That's the irony of them using race as some sort 402 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 2: of part of this is so crazy. 403 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 3: So I think, you know, it's I think sometimes a 404 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 3: jury kind of goes in there. I've never been in 405 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:29,520 Speaker 3: a jury, but I think you go back when you're sequestered. 406 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 3: I think it's just so much time, and this is 407 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 3: like ten months, ten and a half months. You're long, 408 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 3: I got it, we got we we have no deed, 409 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 3: nothing we got. So I think they kind of go, okay, 410 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 3: let's just get going. I'll say I agree to that whatever, right, 411 00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 3: So you know, that's sort of a tough job. 412 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 2: I think people, really it's a very tough job. 413 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: I think you got to commit to all that time. 414 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's impossible to know. 415 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 3: What you're And this one was the question they didn't 416 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:00,719 Speaker 3: get to leave which TV and see family? 417 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 4: Right. 418 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: I remember seeing Oj. There was a Japanese restaurant on Wheelshire. 419 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 2: I cannot remember the name of it. Yes, big right, 420 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 2: like big yes, yeah, up two floors, I think I 421 00:20:27,560 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 2: so I used to go in there all the time. 422 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 2: We were sitting at the sushi bar. A friend of 423 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,240 Speaker 2: mine and I and OJ came in with a woman 424 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 2: who looked just like Nicole, blonde, thin, sort of had 425 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 2: this scene. This was like, oh sorry. This was about 426 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 2: a year after the verdict, after he was released, and 427 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: the the the chefs were like, oh hello, you know, 428 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 2: said hi to him, and the rest of the restaurant 429 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 2: just was and silent, and I'm thinking about her. You're 430 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,320 Speaker 2: saying how much he loved that adulation and people and 431 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: no one was giving him that except for the chefs 432 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: were like saying hello to him, and he was looking 433 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: around as if people were admiring him. And I looked 434 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 2: at this young woman and went, what on earth are 435 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 2: you doing? Like, how could this woman be on a 436 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 2: date with this man? And when she looked like she 437 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 2: looked like, I just was dumbfounded. And so to your point, 438 00:21:32,440 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 2: I feel like people get. 439 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wonder how she did she know? 440 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, how could she not? 441 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly a. 442 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: Year after yes, I mean, it was still very sad, 443 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 3: or she really like sushi. 444 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 2: She maybe she is like, I have got to have 445 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 2: some of that. God, have some some hamachi. 446 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:04,920 Speaker 1: I need some. I heard they got great Spanish mac roll. Okay, yeah, exactly, 447 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: now you're paying right, Oh. 448 00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 2: My god, it's so crazy. 449 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: That's pretty insane, that stuff. I would think. 450 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: He this is the thing he got, probably the biggest 451 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 3: break in his life. He should have been never seen. 452 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 3: He should have just gone to it. 453 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: I never been heard of. 454 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: I'd seen it, because what happened was that he should 455 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 3: have known that his life was never going to be 456 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 3: the same and he should have just laid low. 457 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: Instead, he had bad people know, you got more crime. 458 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,640 Speaker 3: And he went to jail, and you know, Nevada said 459 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 3: this is how you do it sort of thing, and 460 00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 3: he was just like he because he loved to be seen. 461 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 3: When your ego takes over, you're in big trouble. 462 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, one last question before we talk about what 463 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: you're what you're doing now, what did you think about 464 00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: this book of his If I did it well? 465 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,399 Speaker 3: You know, I read excerpts from it because I was 466 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 3: I wanted to kind of become. 467 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: No sure somebody also has probably asked you to see it. 468 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,359 Speaker 3: So the parts I read if this is not an 469 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 3: admission sort of a guilt, I don't know what it is. 470 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: And how I have no idea how the book got made. 471 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 3: Did someone just say we're going to make so much 472 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,520 Speaker 3: money in this if if I did? And then the 473 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 3: way he explained it was on that show I think 474 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: it was Fox. We had Judth Reagan or whoever was 475 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,800 Speaker 3: the interview the person did the book, I think it was. 476 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: It was just like you felt like this man was 477 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: so guilty. 478 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,399 Speaker 3: You felt like, if I did it, well, this is 479 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 3: you know, and they they bring up a you know, 480 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,440 Speaker 3: there's stuff that's going on now with the trial, because 481 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 3: I'm getting context for the night of that people are 482 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:48,320 Speaker 3: I think they want the story to go on. I 483 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 3: met the detectives they've had over one hundred and fifty detectives. 484 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: I think it's O J. Simpson, only o J. 485 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,719 Speaker 3: Simpson, but they they want to start doing things with 486 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 3: did OJ have help and that sort of thing. So 487 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 3: there's a story kind of happen. I think it's I 488 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: don't know if it'll be mad. 489 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 2: Wow. 490 00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 1: So there's a. 491 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,239 Speaker 3: So a company called me if I would do an 492 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 3: interview and you know, and I just said, well, here's 493 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: my opinion. And then they said, oh, it's a good 494 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: that you have an opinion. We're having other people that 495 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 3: will be talking about it. So oh wow, Yeah, it's 496 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 3: it's a bizarre It's like I said, we started this thing. 497 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 3: I think the story continues and continues. Yeah, and if 498 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 3: they can do a show on something, they're going to try. 499 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: To right right, Well, all right, tell us what you're 500 00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,359 Speaker 2: up to now. I know you have a new show 501 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 2: called Murder in a Minute podcast one Degree of Scandalous, 502 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,120 Speaker 2: both great titles, by the way, So tell us where 503 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 2: we can find these things and what I'll tell you what. 504 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 3: I just started this show called Murder in a Minute 505 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: while we're speaking. So it's a week and I have 506 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 3: a friend named Tom Mabe and those watching this world. 507 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 3: Tom Mabe is probably one of the original pranksters. Millions 508 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 3: of followers and social media I've been I did a 509 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 3: radio interview thirty one years ago. He and I never 510 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 3: lost touch from that interview with my world is making laughter, 511 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 3: I'm all but really laughing. 512 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,400 Speaker 2: You really have such a bright spirit like you truly do. 513 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 2: You have such a lightness about. 514 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: You, and I love laughing. So Tom's done. 515 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,479 Speaker 3: You can google it after stuff that I'm guarantee you've 516 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,959 Speaker 3: seen that are hilarious. Anyways, he and I said, I 517 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 3: got this idea that I think it's just it's not hilarious, 518 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 3: it's just so part of what's going on in the world. 519 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,800 Speaker 3: It's called murder in a minute. So you do these 520 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 3: short form videos and I shot seven six of them 521 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,280 Speaker 3: and they just I posted one social media and it 522 00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 3: just took off. And now I'm seeing the comments of 523 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 3: people going, is this do more? 524 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: Do more? 525 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 2: So now is a narrative like what is it? Tell 526 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 2: me what? 527 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: So I sit like. 528 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,360 Speaker 3: We're here with the green screen, I just do it. 529 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 3: One of the stories is, uh, that's doing the really 530 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 3: greatst I talk about Epstein and I said the Tova 531 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 3: Noel is the guard who they found had a five 532 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 3: thousand dollars check and they found out that that she 533 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 3: was a security guard and then her in her partner, 534 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 3: I guess supposedly went up. Prosecutors saw they fudge the 535 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 3: numbers on their their duty of checking at night. The understanding, 536 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: so we go, I go, did he commit suicide? 537 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: I sort of asked a question to the audience. I 538 00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: have to see it. We do. 539 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 3: The one on Austin Metcalf was the in Frisco, Texas 540 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 3: at the swap at the track meet who was stabbed 541 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,680 Speaker 3: by Carmelo Anthony. And you know, he had a twin 542 00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:43,960 Speaker 3: and he was just good looking kid. He got it 543 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 3: right in the heart and. 544 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 2: It was Anthony on the BASKETBA player. 545 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 3: Carmarl Anthony is the other guy's name too, it's different. 546 00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 3: Was Carmelo with a K And this one show was 547 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 3: a high school track meet and so the guy had 548 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 3: a knife in his backpack when because he was sitting 549 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 3: in the uh Austin in the story to say he 550 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 3: was sitting in the other team's tent and Austin asked 551 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 3: him to leave, and it got to a gotten such 552 00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 3: an anger that he did this. 553 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: So now that's going to trial. 554 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 3: So I said, as one family prepares for a funeral, 555 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 3: the other prepares for a murder trial. Once again, it'll 556 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 3: be a huge trial in Texas's Uh wow, it's so 557 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: these stories and you kind of can tell the stories 558 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 3: because there everybody's interested on social media and these stories 559 00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 3: and Murder in a Minute and Tom's and Louisville. But 560 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 3: he flies out every other week and we just tape 561 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 3: here into look a. 562 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,159 Speaker 2: Lake and so we can find this on right now. 563 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna YouTube because Murder a Minute and you 564 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 3: can go also on my social media Cato Underscore Kalin 565 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 3: on Instagram and Twitter. And after this, I have two 566 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,879 Speaker 3: companies that I'll meet with and Thomas companies because he 567 00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 3: has influencers to do this, and it's a break for 568 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 3: him because he wants to do something different from all 569 00:27:59,520 --> 00:27:59,919 Speaker 3: the comedy. 570 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: So that's the thing that's going on. 571 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 3: And honestly, it's I'm so proud. It's really really well done. 572 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:08,239 Speaker 3: And I'm not just saying because I'm in it. 573 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: It's just great compelling. So I'm gonna make you watch one. 574 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:12,640 Speaker 2: I will. I definitely will. 575 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,000 Speaker 3: Then I do a long podcast, which is usually an 576 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,760 Speaker 3: hour show, and we do uh it's called One Degree 577 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:23,359 Speaker 3: of scandalis Tom Zenter and Tom is a broadcaster. He 578 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 3: was an NBC Sports in Chicago, Boston, the News and Phoenix, 579 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:29,879 Speaker 3: so he's sort of the play by play and I'm 580 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 3: the color on. 581 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: The Got It and that's on YouTube. 582 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 3: It's called One Degree of Scandalists and that's doing great 583 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 3: with subscriptions. 584 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 2: And and that's about something scared. 585 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: That's scared. Well, no, that's pretty much murder. 586 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: But we talk about uh, current and past, so we 587 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 3: do we so like the Menendez we actually go to 588 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,120 Speaker 3: the sites of where the Menana's brothers went from the 589 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 3: house that whole night, and we go to the sites 590 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 3: of Richard Ramirror's We people love that we actually go 591 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 3: out and go to the actual sites and say this 592 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: is where he ate, this is the night. 593 00:28:58,200 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 1: So we go there. 594 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 3: But then we go Instant Studio and we talk about it, 595 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 3: and then we get most of the directors from Netflix series, 596 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 3: or we will get detectives that were interviewed in the series. 597 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 3: And once again people love love that there's the true 598 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 3: crime and we're speaking right to the to the people 599 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 3: that are part of That's why Tom Lang from the 600 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 3: Simpson Trius on my show a few times and my 601 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 3: relationship is became great friends. And we did a public 602 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,880 Speaker 3: speaking I've gotten two engagements. We did the UH Seaside 603 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 3: Detective Association Monterey and Carmel, so kind of near you, 604 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 3: and it was like so cathartic that I was speaking 605 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 3: to detectives and police and they loved it. 606 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm sure I mean. 607 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, they was uh. 608 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 3: And then we had Tom lang Is, this detective who 609 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 3: did the Hillside Strangler. 610 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 1: He did part of the. 611 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:57,520 Speaker 3: What was the mal Vell Kilmer but the up on Wonderland. 612 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 3: So we did all the time we go there and 613 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 3: I love doing it. So we do those twice. 614 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 2: A week and great. I will definitely in this. 615 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: Murder in a Minute. 616 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 3: I'm so proud because this is my baby. I've been 617 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 3: thought thought about for a long time. 618 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 2: Amazing. Well, congrats, I am. 619 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: So statoo John Kato. 620 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 2: I am so happy to officially really meet you, and 621 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 2: I really appreciate you taking the time to come here 622 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 2: and talk with me. And I am definitely checking out 623 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: Murder in a Minute and one Degree of Scandalous and 624 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 2: the people V O. J. Simpson America Crime Story is 625 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 2: still streaming on Hulu. Cato your brand. Thank you so much. 626 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: You're fantastic too. I'm so glad we met. This is fantastic. 627 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: Give me those feats. 628 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,239 Speaker 2: Now that I won't be able to stand up. 629 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,000 Speaker 1: She's wonderful. Thanks for having me.