1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: You're listening, waiting on reparations production of our Heart radio. 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: Uh huh uh huh check check yeah, I love you all, man, 3 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 1: I'm lying. I smoke a ball while the planet is dying. 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Man of buying with a flow that expand horizons if 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: you lame them, we beef like the vamis and likings. 6 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 1: It's the feeling with somebody swear you bottom lip, fight 7 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: for freedom. So you gotta dip like a side of dip. 8 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: Waiting on reparations that hip hop politics and my homie 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Joela is on the mix. That's a hot assist. They 10 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: call me dope because when I spent that you gotta 11 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 1: fix since the psychedelics and legal now that I gotta trip, 12 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: what's the side? Is this a lot messed up? All right? 13 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: What's going on? What's good? People? Dope knife? We are 14 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: waiting on reparations. Hurry it up. So today we have 15 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: a statue for you another one. We are going to 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: be talking about civil rights activists Assada Shakur, getting to 17 00:01:07,000 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 1: her activism, her story if you haven't heard it, and 18 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: we're also going to talk about her connection to hip 19 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: hop and the legendary Tupac Shakur of whom she's the 20 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: godmother too. Interestingly, very little can we found online about 21 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: the relationship of Tupac to his step on and godmother Asada, 22 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: but um she was very much um a part of 23 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: just like black revolutionary struggle in the nineteen sixties and 24 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: nineteen seventies. As we're Afenni Shakur, Mutula Shakur um Tupac's parents, 25 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about how this sort of permeated the 26 00:01:42,440 --> 00:01:44,680 Speaker 1: life of Tupac and sort of set him up for 27 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: the person that he was. In addition to detailing, you know, 28 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: in specifics a lot about whose Asada was as this 29 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: notorious figure that today is still being persecuted by the 30 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: United States government. When did you first like become aware 31 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 1: of Assata Shakur in your activism. I think around the 32 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,600 Speaker 1: time I started studying like abolition, Like when I first 33 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: started like reading the work of ANGELA Davis and like realized, 34 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 1: you know, like we in school get this very sanitized 35 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:12,919 Speaker 1: version of what the civil rights movement was. We don't 36 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: learn about the Black Panthers. You don't learn about people 37 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: like angel Davis because they were doing crimes like they 38 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: were they were breaking people out of jail, they were 39 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 1: robbing Briggs trucks and like Pilofolice office and like crazy 40 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: ship that you know, as like like genuine, genuine revolutionary activity. 41 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:33,639 Speaker 1: And so around that time is what, you know, what 42 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: I learned about Angela Davis and her advocacy for UM 43 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: political prisoners. And that's what I learned about Asata and 44 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: her advocacy for Asada. When Asada was imprisoned for a 45 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: killing cholice officer. I think I first became aware of 46 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: Assata Shakur, probably with the common song. I mean, we're 47 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,359 Speaker 1: gonna get into that later on in the episode, but 48 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 1: I would have to say it was a common song 49 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: for as Sata. I think I was watching a hip 50 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: hop documentary years ago and then I saw come and 51 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: make note of it, and then I was remembered, Oh, yeah, 52 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: that song was on that like Water for Chocolate album. 53 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 1: So that was my introduction into her. I mean, like 54 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: a lot of other you know people, I guess I 55 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: kind of just assumed, oh, a side of Shakur, that's 56 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 1: Tupac's mom, you know. So I kind of just had 57 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 1: that idea in my head and ran with it until 58 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: I found out more about who she was. So yeah, 59 00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna get get into that, but before we do, 60 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: How's how's your week been? You know, she has been crazy. 61 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: We've had like five, I guess now six shootings here 62 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: in the last week or so. Last Saturday, like all 63 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: police shootings or just shooting. Oh, just people just killing 64 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 1: each other, Just people just killing each other. We had 65 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: a twenty year old kid shot and killed last Saturday. 66 00:03:51,720 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: This Saturday, there was a man who lost his life. 67 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: The suspect in that shooting was fifteen years old. And uh, 68 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: surprisingly a few leaders are speaking out about it. I 69 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: think because many folks kind of take it for granted, 70 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 1: this assume that this is what life can be. But 71 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: like in the last couple of days, I've been very 72 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: involved in like reaching out to the families and the 73 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: victims of the shootings. Um. I attended the funeral of 74 00:04:13,400 --> 00:04:17,000 Speaker 1: the of E. B. Montana, who was killed last Saturday, 75 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: twenty year old rapper in town. And uh, it's interesting 76 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,279 Speaker 1: to me and speaking with these families what they think 77 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: the solutions are. Like I gathered with them, I like 78 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: helped you know, of Montana's family organized a candelie vigil 79 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: and one of our community centers on Friday and speaking 80 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: with people out there, they were like, we need to 81 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: be investing in these young people. We need to be 82 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: you know, these people don't internal jobs, ain't got no 83 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: programs to be involved in. And so it's interesting, like 84 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: I think that like people in this discourse around policing recently, 85 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: people like who aren't involved, who aren't impacted, who aren't 86 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: who never lost anyone, are prescribing all these solutions like, oh, 87 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: we need you know, uh more policing, We need all 88 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 1: these things. You go talk to the people who lose 89 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: family members that that's not even something that comes to 90 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: their mind. That's not even something that's a part of 91 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: the conversation for them, And no one is and I 92 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: don't think anyone is asking them what their opinion is. 93 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: And so it's just been like as we also approached 94 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: like budget season, you know, it was like this time 95 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: last year that like the fund, the police became a 96 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: thing just thinking about just trying to show up for 97 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 1: these families that are in a lot of pain right 98 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 1: now and also think about like centering them and how 99 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 1: we go about creating policy, but particularly for you know, Montana, 100 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: Rest in peace, um beloved Young Rapper um here in 101 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: Athens um who you know himself, had came out had 102 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: some gun charges and had warned out for his arrests, 103 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: and so there's you know, in the media like kind 104 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: of painting him as like, well he was no angel. 105 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: But it's like, what do you do you think these 106 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: kids are gonna do if you don't give them anything 107 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: to believe in in this world? And so that's just 108 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: been my world for the last like week or so. 109 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: But then there's crazy ship happening everywhere. I mean, I mean, 110 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: i've gun violences. I don't know for certain that it's 111 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 1: like on any sort of record pace, but it seems 112 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: like shit is getting out of control. I mean, it's 113 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 1: not just the mass shooting statistics, but like you have 114 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: you know, individual every day like of occurrences of of 115 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: gun violence that doesn't even get national coverage because not 116 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: only is it just like part of the like ubiquitous cycle, 117 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,840 Speaker 1: but then it's like only two people died, so it's 118 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:35,679 Speaker 1: not a big story, or it's only a person here, 119 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: or just somebody got injured. All the all the shootings 120 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 1: that happened, when people get injured that you never hear of. 121 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: Remember the rapper Pop Smoke who died last year. Recently, 122 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: it came out that the killer of him was a 123 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: fifteen year old who saw him on Instagram and tried 124 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: to get his watch and it's not And it's like, oh, 125 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: you know, uh, like if we don't right, I think 126 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: maybe a Frederick Douglas quote like it's easier to build 127 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: strong children than repair broken men. But like it's I mean, 128 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: we're like the children are broken. Yeah, Like it's not 129 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:13,080 Speaker 1: even like oh and then they grow up and become 130 00:07:13,120 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: adults and started doing crazy like the kids, and you 131 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: fail to invest in them. That return in the lack 132 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: of investment manifestly. It's just like these times that we 133 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: live in, everything is just accelerated as well. So you know, well, 134 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna switch, We're gonna switch gears, and 135 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into this whole thing with a Sada 136 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: Shakur and the amazing at times story of her life 137 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: will be back with all of that and more after 138 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: the jump. Let's talk a little bit about what I 139 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: saw him was from her early life. Sada Aliba Shakur 140 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: was born Joanne Debara Byron and Queens, New York in 141 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: nineteen and grew up in Walmington North Carolina UM. She 142 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 1: began her involvement in political activism while attending Manhattan Community 143 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: College and City College of New York UM and she 144 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: recalled a conversation about communism with the African students at 145 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: the spark of some of her revolutionary leanings. She said, 146 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 1: I never forget. I've never forgot that day. We were 147 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: taught at such an early age to be against communists, 148 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: yet most of us don't have the famous idea of 149 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 1: what communism is, only a pool at somebody else tell 150 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: them who his enemy, And I think it's a good point. 151 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:40,719 Speaker 1: She of course spent a short period of time with 152 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,599 Speaker 1: the Black Panther Party, organizing protests and community education programs. 153 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: She even was leading the Black Panther Party chapter in 154 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: Harlem for a while, coordinating with the free breakfast program 155 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: for children, free clinics, community outreach. She would eventually join 156 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: the Black Liberation Army due to some dissolution and meant 157 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 1: with what was going on in the Black Panther Party 158 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: at the time, she said, with a few exceptions, be 159 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:08,959 Speaker 1: political education classes for party members turned out to be 160 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: just the opposite. The basic problem stemmed from the fact 161 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: that BPP had no systematic approach to political education. They 162 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: were reading from the Red Book, where they didn't know 163 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: who Harry Tupman, Marcus Garvey or not Turner work. A 164 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: whole lot of them barely understood any kind of history Black, 165 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: African or otherwise. So that's something that I never really 166 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: thought about in detail much. Is like that not everybody 167 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: was on the same page with everything. Yeah, I mean 168 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: looking at the modern left like and like it, it's 169 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: almost heartening to know that there were these schisms always 170 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 1: of like people who found the organization's lacking and would 171 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: move on to others. Or you know that there were 172 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: these like like like even these figures and even these 173 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: institutions that our memorialized so notoriously. It's just like just 174 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 1: mind blowing legendary work that they did. Like it, We're 175 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: not perfect, and that it's almost it's almost hardening. It's like, oh, nope, 176 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: you can make a lasting impact in history even if 177 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,079 Speaker 1: you don't have your ship. Tell me together some other 178 00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: stuff that I kind of found about this, but I 179 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: never I didn't really find anything that she says specifically, 180 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: but um, apparently there was some feeling on her part 181 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: that there was a lot of macho ship going on 182 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: in the Black Panther Party at the time. Yeah. So 183 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:35,599 Speaker 1: then so she joined the Black Liberation Army or b 184 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,440 Speaker 1: l A, which was an underground revolutionary organization from nineteen seventy. 185 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: It was kind of like the Black Panthers. It's composed 186 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: to former members and also former members of another organization, 187 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 1: the Republic of New Africa. But the group's mission statement 188 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: was to take up arms for the liberation and self 189 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: determination of black people in the United States, not fucking around. 190 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: So they had some principles that they kind of went by. 191 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: So one that we are anti capitalist, anti imperialist, anti racist, 192 00:11:05,760 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: and anti sexists too, that we must of necessity strive 193 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: for the abolishment of these systems and for the institution 194 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: of socialistic relationships in which black people have total and 195 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,599 Speaker 1: absolute control over their own destiny as a people. And 196 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: then three that in order to abolish our systems of oppression, 197 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: we must utilize the science of class struggle, develop the 198 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: science as it relates to our unique national condition. In 199 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:36,839 Speaker 1: our opening statement in court in nineteen SATA would say, 200 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: the Black Liberation Army is not an organization. It goes 201 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: beyond that. It is a concept, a people's movement and idea. 202 00:11:44,120 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: The concept of the b l A arose because of 203 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: the political, social, and economic oppression of black people in 204 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:52,319 Speaker 1: this country, and where there is oppression, there will be resistance. 205 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: The b l A is part of that resistance movement. 206 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: The Black Liberation Army stands for freedom and justice for 207 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: all people. In nineteen seventy, she was a doctor's assistant 208 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: volunteering at Alcatraz Prison. At the time, there was a 209 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: protest going on with some Native Americans about broken treaties 210 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 1: and expectation by the U. S. Government. She went on 211 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: to say, I will never forget the quiet confidence as 212 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: they went about their lives calmly, even though they were 213 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 1: under the constant threat of invasion by the FBI in U. S. Military. 214 00:12:24,120 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: They had many of the same problems we had, and 215 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,200 Speaker 1: for damn sure the same enemy. They were doing as 216 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: bad as we were, if not worse. I didn't save 217 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: any one was when she changed her name to Asada 218 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: ballow skor. Asada is a West African name derived from 219 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: the Arabic name Aisha said to me and he she 220 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: who struggles Alshakerman thankful one in Arabic, all the following 221 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: savior and your bum She said, the name Joanne began 222 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 1: to irk my nerves in her autobiography, had changed a 223 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: lot and moved to a different beat. I didn't feel 224 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: like no Joanne or no Negro in norma. I felt 225 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: like an African woman my mind, heart, and soul. I'd 226 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: gone back to Africa, but my name was still stranded 227 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: in Europe somewhere, which then prompted her change. Over the 228 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: next few years, she would be charged with a slew 229 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:14,839 Speaker 1: of crimes, including two bank robberies in New York, the 230 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: kidnap and murder of a drug dealer, an armed robbery 231 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: during which she was shot in the attempted murder of 232 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 1: a police officer in an ambush she was convicted of. 233 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: None of these is all either acquittals or case dismissals, 234 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,559 Speaker 1: which is interesting because that she is. But like the 235 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: memory of her being charged with these crimes outlives the 236 00:13:38,120 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: reality of her acquittals or case dismissals, like we will 237 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: remember her. It's just like bad as like fucking crazy, 238 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: you know, doing crimes. Yeah, like outlaw, but like most 239 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:51,199 Speaker 1: of the ships she was you know, got dismissed, so 240 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 1: she was acquitted for but anyway, and then also it's 241 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: like the other thing too, is just like you know, 242 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: if you just do a casual just casual little research, 243 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:02,679 Speaker 1: if you're like, you know, wanting to know who she is, 244 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: that you know, most of what you're gonna find is 245 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: about like this sort of stuff, you know what I mean. 246 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:10,599 Speaker 1: She was involved in this, and she was involved in that. 247 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: There was a shootout with this, and a shoot out 248 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: with that, and it's like you have to dig like 249 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 1: a lot harder to like actually find what it was. 250 00:14:19,320 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: Obviously most of her life, you know, which was activism 251 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: in in you know, I mean community service and stuff 252 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, which then recalls for me, I mean, 253 00:14:27,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: like I was talking about at the top the recent um, 254 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: you know tragedy with this kid Montana where uh he 255 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: you know, was allegedly involved in a shootout like a 256 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: week prior. He may have been in the car the car, 257 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: may have been shooting in self defense in any regard, 258 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:48,119 Speaker 1: like he had warrants out because they thought he'd suspected 259 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,480 Speaker 1: his involvement. And so the front page of the newspaper 260 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: on Sunday was you know, like slay and Rapper had 261 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: Gonne warrant and you know charges warrant out for gun 262 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: charges is um, despite the fact that, like it's not 263 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: clear if he was involved in the crime. He may 264 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: even if he was in the car. He when i've 265 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: been personal shooting, even in the person in the car 266 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: had been shooting, it may have been self defense. But 267 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: the story that gets told is that he had warrants 268 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: out for his arrest, which is very much un contrasted 269 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: when we speak to his family or like when I 270 00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: attended his service yesterday, people talking about how he made 271 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: TikTok challenges for kids, and he you know, would take 272 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: out his neighbor's trash, and he would waived all the 273 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 1: city bus drivers and all of these other things that 274 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: like aren't his splashy and so don't get picked up, 275 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: and like the are collected, you know, and imprinted in 276 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: our collective memory of who these people are. And then 277 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 1: when those things do come to light, they don't really 278 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: have to go back and correct both headlines because and 279 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: then yeah, and then like yeah, nothing ever happens, and 280 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 1: that's just like that what the memory remains. The FBI 281 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: has Joint Terrorism Task Force was issuing nearly daily briefing 282 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: sashakur status and allegations against her. Years later, some police 283 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: officers argued that her importance in the deal that had 284 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: been exaggerated by the police, with one saying that they 285 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: themselves had created a myth to DEMONI Schaker because she 286 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: was educated, young, and pretty. Doc documentary evidence suggests that 287 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: Shakur was targeted by the investigation named Chez Rob, which 288 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: was attempted to hook Asada Shakur to virtually every bank 289 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: robbery or violent crime involving a black woman on the 290 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: East Coast God Damn. Although named after Shakur, Chez Rob, 291 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: like its predecessor Nu Kill, was not limited to her. 292 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: So they were just like just coming for her regardless. 293 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like a parody of what you 294 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: would have, you know what I mean, Like it almost 295 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: like if somebody just told you it, it would sound like, no, 296 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: that's like a movie, you know, But it's like, no, 297 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,680 Speaker 1: that sounds like some conspiracytion. I mean, a lot of 298 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: the stuff of the FBI do that is true, Like 299 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: when in hindsight, like a lot of that Jagger Hoover 300 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: FBI stuff is literally the plots of movies that have 301 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: been made. So then came the infamous shootout at the 302 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: New Jersey Terrified. According to the official New Jersey Police 303 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: UH spokespersonan Asada was on our way to a new 304 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 1: hideout in Philadelphia and heading ultimately for Washington, and a 305 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 1: book in the vehicle contained a list of potential b 306 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 1: l A targets. She testified the heading to Maryland for 307 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: a waitress drop skor and her two associates were stopped 308 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,000 Speaker 1: by state trooper for a broken tail light. Haven't we 309 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: heard that before many many times? And the result was 310 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: a shooting that left the trooper, Werner Forster, dead and 311 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: one of the men that Asada was with, Zaid Malik Shakore. 312 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: He was killed and inside of herself was shot in 313 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: both arms and her shoulder. For The Guardian, it was 314 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: in hospital that she first met Letics Hines, the National 315 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: director of the National Conference of Black Lawyers. In the 316 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: history of New Jersey, no woman, pretrial, detainee or prisoner 317 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:11,879 Speaker 1: has ever been treated as she was continuously confined in 318 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: men's prison under twenty four hour surveillance, without adequate medical 319 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: attention and exercise, he said. Cursed Defense team filed a 320 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: civil suit against the state, charging that her condition for 321 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: cruel and inhumane. She was held for more than a 322 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: year in solitary confinement in the basement of Middlesex County 323 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 1: stale that they held there. In the men's present, oh yeah, 324 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: oh oh yeah, oh yeah, she ascribed to all her 325 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: conditions a unifying fame. Oh god, the smell. I don't 326 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: care what jail had been in. They all stink. They 327 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: all have a smell on like any smell on earth, 328 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: like blood and sweat and feet and open sores. And 329 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: if misery had a smell like she was in carded 330 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:56,439 Speaker 1: into nine seven when she finally got to have her 331 00:18:56,560 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: case in court for The Guardian, there's much evidence to 332 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: suggest the trial wasn't fair. Transcripts in the jury selection 333 00:19:04,280 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: show that at least two jurors expressed prejudice before the 334 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,440 Speaker 1: start of the trial. There's evidence of the offices of 335 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 1: the defense team were being bugged, and materials relating to 336 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 1: her case went missing from the home of the lawyer 337 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 1: Stanley Cohen, were later found with New York City police. 338 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: They're not even like they weren't even trying, you know. 339 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: Ship um Hines called the trial allegal lynching in a 340 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,479 Speaker 1: kangaroo court. The defense could not get an expert witness 341 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: to testify. The Core noted it was obvious I didn't 342 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 1: have one chance in a million of receiving any kind 343 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: of justice. She testified, holding onto a photo of her daughter, 344 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: conceived with fellow b l A member Kamayu Sadiki while 345 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,280 Speaker 1: they were both in jail and born in nineteen seventy four. 346 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,439 Speaker 1: The jury reached a verdict out of twenty four hours. 347 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: She was found guilty on all seven counts. As Haines explained, 348 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: under New Jersey law, if a person's presence at the 349 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: scene of a crime can be construed as aiding or 350 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: betting the crime, that person can be convicted of the 351 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: substantive crime itself. Shakur was handed a mandatory life sentence. 352 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 1: So while in president Shakura was introduced liberation theology, which 353 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 1: is a synthesis of Christian theology and socioeconomic analyzes that 354 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: emphasize the social concern for the poor and political liberation 355 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:27,120 Speaker 1: for a press people's actual like Jesus type stuff. Yeah, 356 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: it's like Jesus, but like real Jesus was like, yeah, 357 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: Homie was hanging out with the homeless and prostitutes and 358 00:20:34,480 --> 00:20:37,360 Speaker 1: was like murdered by the state, And like, what does 359 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 1: this mean for us today in terms of how we 360 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: enact you know, a good life as a Christian, to 361 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: upend and disrupt oppression of various kinds. Here's something interesting 362 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: I found on Wikipedia. Shakur was identified as a political 363 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: prisoner as early as October eighth, nineteen seventy three, by 364 00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: Angela Davis and in April third, nineteen seventy seven the 365 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: New York Times advertisement purchased by the Eastern Coalition of 366 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: Human Rights. An international panel of seven jurist was invited 367 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,000 Speaker 1: by Hines to tour a number of US prisons and 368 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:12,400 Speaker 1: concluded in a report filed with the United Nations Commission 369 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,679 Speaker 1: for Human Rights that the conditions of her solitary confinement 370 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: were totally unbefitting of any prisoner. Their investigation, which focused 371 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: on alleged human rights abuses of political prisoners, sided Shakur 372 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:27,639 Speaker 1: is one of the worst cases of such abuses. So 373 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:32,240 Speaker 1: it's interesting that her particular predicament then led to this 374 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,440 Speaker 1: larger indictment of the prison system and the practice of 375 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 1: solitary confronement in the United States, which is totally boring 376 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:43,360 Speaker 1: if you ask me, but so nineteen seventy nine, three 377 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: members of the b l A walked into the Clinton 378 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: Correctional Facility for women with guns and stick of dynamite, 379 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: took two guards hostage, commandeered two vans, and broke Asada 380 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: out of prison and what coopering? Well escape the guards. 381 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: To be clear, we're left in the parking lot and 382 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,520 Speaker 1: no I was injured, but they just broke her ass out. 383 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: They were like, y'all keeping my girl, and Saul say, 384 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: pretty daring, you know what I think? Do you think 385 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: that like with this um new surgeons of like black cinema, 386 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,440 Speaker 1: do you think we're gonna get like a definitive of 387 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: Satisha core movie? Do we not have one yet? I 388 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: don't think we do. I can't recall one at least 389 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 1: nothing that's that you know that's like popping the mind 390 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: that's like worth noting right now. I can't really think 391 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 1: of one, but just just you know, getting to this 392 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: part of the story, it's like, oh, yeah, now I 393 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: need to see this filmed. Like what what was the 394 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 1: stick of dynamite for? What? Do we Apparently there was 395 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: a there was a documentary Joannes that came out and 396 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: came out in two nine. Uh. I don't know a 397 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,440 Speaker 1: lot about it, but but I think more of what 398 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: we're talking about in the line of like, yeah, exactly 399 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: like or like you know, Denzel cast like you know, 400 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of a little bit of you know, 401 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,199 Speaker 1: fiction and a little bit of historical, you know, one 402 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: of those blurring the line sort of, you know. So 403 00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: she was at large fugitive for years after that. In 404 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: New York, three days after her escape, more than five 405 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: thousand demonstrates more than five thousand demonstrators organized by the 406 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: National Black Human Rights Coalition carried signs with slip with 407 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: her name on the slogan. At that rally, a statement 408 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: from Shakur was was circulating, condemning the U s prison 409 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:44,200 Speaker 1: conditions and calling for an independent New African state. She 410 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,840 Speaker 1: was granted political asylum in Cuba, and it's been living 411 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: in exile there ever since. Over the decades, there have 412 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 1: been four or five attempts to try to extradite her 413 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: back to the United States, with the last being in 414 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: June two thousand seventeen, when President Donald Trump gave a 415 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: speech canceling the Cuba the Cuban Thaw policies of its predecessor, 416 00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: Barack Obama. A condition of making a new deal between 417 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 1: the United States and Cuba was the release of priltical 418 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: political prisoners and the return of fugitives from justice, Trumps 419 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: specifically calling for the return of cop killer Joe and 420 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: Chest But I remember when that all went down, and 421 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: that's cool because it kind of let's just transition into 422 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,360 Speaker 1: our music discussion a little bit. But I remember when 423 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: that all went down. There was like a brief period 424 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:32,320 Speaker 1: of time where a bunch of outlets were like posting 425 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: it as Trump goes after Tupac's mother, and that that's 426 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,959 Speaker 1: all they were saying. People don't even like that. They 427 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 1: were really like like digging in it like that. I 428 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: guess they were just hearing Shakur and then I guess 429 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: seeing that there was a connection with between the two 430 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: and there was like a slue a headlines that was 431 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: like Trump going after Tupac's mother. I remember waking up 432 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: that day and looking on Twitter. It's like wait, wait 433 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: what huh. But now it's transition to talking a little 434 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 1: bit about Tupac and the revolutionary uh. Just like bedrock 435 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: of who he became. That echo is very much a 436 00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: lot of what we have learned about Asada to this point. 437 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 1: So Asada was tupac step on and godmother. Not much 438 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,959 Speaker 1: is known publicly about their relationship, and though they were 439 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: not related by blood, much of her revolutionary activity in 440 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,400 Speaker 1: Stance can commonly be found in the Hikert family bloodline. 441 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: Tupac's birth mother, if Finney, was also an active member 442 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: in the Black Panther Party. She wrote the Black Panther 443 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: Party newsletter Panther Post, and led a successful campaign that 444 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: tricked the FBI to believe the party was fading. In 445 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: April nineteen sixty nine, she and a number of other 446 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: Black Panthers were arrested and charged several counts of conspiracy 447 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 1: to bomb police stations and other public places in New York. 448 00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: Sure those were real charges. When the trial came, A Finny, 449 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,840 Speaker 1: who was pregnant with Tupac at the time, who had 450 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,800 Speaker 1: not attended law school, and who was facing down a 451 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: three hundred year prison sentence, chose to represent herself in court. 452 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: One month before giving birth to Poc. She was acquitted 453 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: of all charges. Pap was very close to his mother, 454 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: who sometimes also served as his publicist, and he famously 455 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: dedicated his song Dear momitor A Finny and her children 456 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: moved to Baltimore, Maryland during his time at the Baltimore 457 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: School for the Arts in the late eighties, Tupac became 458 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: attending meetings in the Baltimore branch of the Young Communist 459 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 1: League USA, which he had since renamed itself too, which 460 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: has since renamed itself the TUPACSA Corp Club in his honor. Unfortunately, 461 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: we could find little about his time with a Young 462 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,200 Speaker 1: Communist League and the research, but I think the influence 463 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 1: as well as his time with the Black Panther had 464 00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: been heard in his anti imperialist class. Consciously so. If 465 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,920 Speaker 1: Any's first Hump husband, La Mumba, was a leader of 466 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,679 Speaker 1: the Black Panthers in Harlem and married if Any nine. 467 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,440 Speaker 1: Their marriage unraveled after the revolution. Their marriage unraveled after 468 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: the revelation came forth that La Mumba was not Tupac's 469 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: biological father. In the aftermath, if Any married Mutula Shakurry, 470 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:26,160 Speaker 1: Lamumba's adopted stepbrother. Mutula was politically active with the Revolutionary 471 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: Action Movement, a US based revolutionary black nationalist group that 472 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: applied the philosophy of Maoism to conditions of black people 473 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: in the United States. He later joined the new the 474 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,159 Speaker 1: Republic of New Africa that we referenced earlier to the 475 00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 1: Black Nationalists and separatist group that sought reparations as well 476 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: as to establish an independent black majority nation in the 477 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: southern United States. Mutula shared a close bond with Cock, 478 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: and together they wrote the famous Code of Thug Life, 479 00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 1: a set of rules discouraging unprovoked violence between gangs. Mutula 480 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: was currently serving a sixty year prison sentence for his 481 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: involvement in the ninety and eighty one robbery of a 482 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: Brinks armor truck, in which Matulu several other members of 483 00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: the Black Liberation Army, in coalition with four members of 484 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: the radical left organization of the Weather Underground, stole one 485 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: point six million dollars, killing a guard and two police 486 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: officers in the act. Interesting fun fact, another conspirator in 487 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: the robberty another conspirator in the robbery, Kathy Buddin, is 488 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: mother of Chess Budden, who was in two thousand nineteen 489 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: elected the District Attorney of San Francisco. Damn, it's a 490 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: fucking small world when you're robbing Brace trucks. Damn. Yeah, 491 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's a crazy story. Yeah, I mean, 492 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: and so I think and I think it it speaks 493 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: to the fact that like under like you know, neoliberal 494 00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: and the conservative policies of the you know, seventies and eighties, 495 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people, you know, you either became a 496 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 1: revel luctionary or you became a criminal, or the line 497 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: between you know, you became a song or the line 498 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: between them was very blurred. Like what was the difference 499 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: between being a revolutionary and be a thug? If this is, 500 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 1: like if undermining the state is what its mean? You know, 501 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: if if this is, you know that they're engaging in 502 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: very similar activities, arguably to different ends. With when on 503 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: the one end, if you're like you know, song life 504 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: for the accumulation of capital for you know, getting yourself 505 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: out of poverty, for life refuse set versus like the 506 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 1: other group of folks that we're shooting police officers in 507 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: crazy ship like that, but with the aims of like 508 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: establishing a separatist black state and like things is. And 509 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,080 Speaker 1: so I think, like in the larger conversation that we 510 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: have on the show about the relationship between hip hop 511 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: and politics, like I think studying the lives of if 512 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,480 Speaker 1: Any in Utulou and the Sada show us like the 513 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: many ways that the activity of both hip hop and 514 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: revolution um overlap. And yeah, and I think that it's 515 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: also good just in a historical context to not not 516 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: whitewash events or eras and things like that. It's like 517 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: the Civil rights movement as we know it to be 518 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: wasn't like every day was that I have a dream speech. 519 00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It's like like it involved 520 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: like thousands of people like with you know, hundreds of 521 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: individual stories of how people were like contributing to that 522 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: whole fight, and not all of it was pretty you 523 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like obviously, And that's that's another 524 00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 1: theme that I think we're going to continue to explore. Um, 525 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: but let's get into like the direct music discussion. Oh, 526 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: you know, just talking about that whole thing with Tupac. 527 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: Fun fact about me. My godmother is May Jamison, who 528 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: was the first black woman in space the more you know, 529 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: also on Star Trek. Yeah, she was also the first 530 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,800 Speaker 1: real life astronaut on Star Trek. I think that's the trivia. 531 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: I love that in my response, like, oh, it's not 532 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: impressive enough to me that she went to motherfucking space. 533 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: I'm like, but whatna starting? Alright, so I don't have 534 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,040 Speaker 1: a cool godmother story. I'm sorry, but you have so 535 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: many cool stories about I just got that one. Yeah, yeah, 536 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: that's pretty. It's pretty. But yeah, let's turn to look 537 00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 1: a little bit about look at some of ASADA's impact 538 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:29,320 Speaker 1: on hip hop music as well as the revolutionary ideology 539 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: so that she, if Annie and others shared trickled into 540 00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 1: the music of Tupacs. So the first song that we're 541 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: going to talk about is the two thousand. I guess 542 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: the only way to describe it as an epic. It's 543 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: a six minute long epic song by Common called Song 544 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: for Asada. It's off of his album Like Water for Chocolate, 545 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: produced by James Posner. Let's check that out real quick. 546 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: Put Mason, the eyes threaten, the blast, my race still 547 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: things got still open. As for you last season next 548 00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: to a best friend who got killed, commons words about it. 549 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: He said it stemmed from me just reading her autobiography. 550 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 1: I read the book two or three times. I went 551 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: down to Cuba. I had to feel every element I 552 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 1: could to get so I could write that story. Yeah, 553 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: he talked about making this move until it's freedom for 554 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: all those who are oppressed, all those in struggle, and 555 00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: then gets into like in very very graphic detail, you know, 556 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 1: the gunshots firing, laying in a puddle of blood and 557 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,280 Speaker 1: blood bubbling from her chest, and you know the feel 558 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 1: of like the gunshot, like the open wound of the gunshot, um, 559 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: you know, before she was later questioned by the police. 560 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: Like it's very you know, it's like very viscerally first person, 561 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: not vivot. Like the thing that it's stands out to 562 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: me is obviously like the length of it, because you know, 563 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: you don't really see too many six minute long rap songs, 564 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: even when it's about something serious, you know, and we 565 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: there's decades and decades to discuss what we were just 566 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,560 Speaker 1: talking about. How oh that story is so wild that 567 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: somebody should make a movie of it, you know, or 568 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: is there a movie of it? And this is kind 569 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: of the hip hop version of that, you know. It's 570 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 1: it's a very vivid, very detailed and visually so recounting 571 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: of the story that we just told you guys all 572 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: in um the course of this episode. It's kind of 573 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: like I did this Ted talk thing not too long ago, 574 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: and it was like about how when you rap lyrics 575 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 1: seep in more in in information when presented as rap, 576 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: can you know, be retained easier and be ingrained in 577 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: the mind more. And I think the song kind of 578 00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: you know, proves that because like this is like a 579 00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,959 Speaker 1: summary of our whole episode just now in the six minutes, 580 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:01,959 Speaker 1: but it's like a dope to it. Yeah, you can 581 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:04,640 Speaker 1: listen to this. You all should have just gone listen 582 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: to songs for Rosada to completely honest our apologies for 583 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 1: listing your time. So what you got next? So you know, 584 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: she gets a shout out on public enemies rubble without 585 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: a pause. But I think that turning to look at 586 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: some of the influence of Black Panther and other black 587 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: radical ideology and the music of Tupac is it's really 588 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,960 Speaker 1: interesting regularly if you look at keep your head up, 589 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,759 Speaker 1: you know, which we all know, but then sort of 590 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: looking at it through the lens of the influence of 591 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:38,279 Speaker 1: strong black female leaders in Tupac's life and then sort 592 00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: of gives more context to like when he says some 593 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: say the black of the barrils, we have the juice 594 00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: to say, the dark of the flesh, of deep of 595 00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: the roots. I gave holl it to my sisters on 596 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: well payer Tupac hairs if don't nobody else care, you know, 597 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,920 Speaker 1: you know, encouraging women to dry your eyes, never let up, 598 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 1: keep your head up, and not accept the disrespect of 599 00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: black men in our community who may not have seen 600 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:05,960 Speaker 1: like the what's how much I say, man, I've exposed 601 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,959 Speaker 1: to like the power of like, you know, truly strong 602 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 1: black leaders in the way that he was in his 603 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: young life. I think it's one of those interesting things 604 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:20,480 Speaker 1: about Tupac that unfortunately, just like a lot of things 605 00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: in history, gets lost because when people pass away, it's 606 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: like the lot of the imagery of him that people 607 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: that sticks with people is like the wild like the 608 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,360 Speaker 1: dude getting in trouble that people don't realize the Tupac 609 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: is a guy that was raised by women, that like 610 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 1: cared very much about his sister and was like really, 611 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: you know, for for all the contradictions that rappers have, 612 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think that there was like 613 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: any like uh. I mean, I guess there's there's definitely 614 00:35:55,080 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: misogynistic Tupac lyrics, but not like de human I seeing 615 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: like misogynistic Tupac lyrics that makes sense. I mean, we 616 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,960 Speaker 1: could definitely find worst examples. Yes, we could definitely find 617 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: like the worst examples. So White Man's World was a 618 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: ninety kid came out September. Um, it's it's a Outlaws 619 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,320 Speaker 1: number e D. I mean provided some background in permation 620 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: on the song. And so it's a personal record. It's 621 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,279 Speaker 1: like an open letter to his mother and his sister. 622 00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,360 Speaker 1: It's like he's writing from jail and just apologizing for 623 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 1: a lot of ship at we're all trying to grow 624 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: up and change figures out. A lot of people don't 625 00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: remember that he you know, he's only twenty five. At 626 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 1: the time, he was still a kid. Um and so um, 627 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: this is sort of like a letter to his family 628 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: of like, YO, apologize, but in it it's got an 629 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: interesting couple of lines um about like one of the 630 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:06,040 Speaker 1: lessons of never falling for riches, apologizing to his true sisters. Um, 631 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,359 Speaker 1: far from bitches. Um that they helped, you know, help 632 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,520 Speaker 1: me raise my black nation. Reparations are due, and that 633 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:15,279 Speaker 1: it's so true caught up in this world, I took 634 00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 1: advantage of you. But tell them babies how I love them, 635 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,320 Speaker 1: precious boys and girls born black and most white man's world. 636 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: So there's like hinting at like the ways that underlike 637 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: hint under the boot of like racial capitalism, like we 638 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,279 Speaker 1: get pitted against each other, like the black men versus 639 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,799 Speaker 1: black women. Um, you know, black men versus black men, 640 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: lower class wicks versus the you know, lower class blacks 641 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: when you know, and we're falling for the riches we're 642 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 1: when really, uh, we're all valuable and really if we 643 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: got our fair share, you know, we could rise up. 644 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 1: And not dealing was one of those uh posts songs 645 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:01,719 Speaker 1: after he died. It's one of the earlie songs. I 646 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,960 Speaker 1: always wonder um because a lot of the thing with 647 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:06,880 Speaker 1: like a lot of those songs to me that's always 648 00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: stuck out is like none of that stuff feels like rushed. 649 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 1: It's usually like a lot of it is the type 650 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: of songs that you have to think about, you know 651 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like as far as like that, you 652 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: would imagine somebody who's writing it has to think about. 653 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like, oh, this is just some bullshit 654 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: that I'm doing in the studio. It's like really still 655 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: like politically charged or very emotional songs and stuff like 656 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,000 Speaker 1: that that he did at some point when he was 657 00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:38,400 Speaker 1: still alive by like the tens, just he just did 658 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: like albums and the album's worth of songs like these 659 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 1: that are hidden gems throughout because I have never even 660 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: like thought about this ship. I've heard this album a 661 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:49,080 Speaker 1: couple of times back in the day, but I've never 662 00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: even recalled this song. And this is like kind of 663 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:55,359 Speaker 1: following on the same themes that he was going when 664 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: he was making Dear Mama. It's like that same sort 665 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: of uplifting like, you know, like uplifting black women in 666 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,120 Speaker 1: the community even though they're not getting their proper due 667 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: respect from everybody else. Sort of vibe that that song 668 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,480 Speaker 1: had to it. And then our last uh, especially on 669 00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,280 Speaker 1: a song it's a poem. I didn't know that Tupac 670 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: released a book of poetry that poems that he wrote 671 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: between Nights and nine and Night to any One Um 672 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: published by It's like through MTV Books. I don't know 673 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: MTV printed. Didn't about that. I mean, I remember that, 674 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: I remember that book The Rose that Grew from Concrete, 675 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: but I didn't I didn't know published by MTV Books. 676 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: And so I guess most Death did an interpretation of 677 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: a Tupac poem that in the original evokes Black Panther 678 00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: Party for self Defense Etho and the pad and the 679 00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: Panther is she just own um? When they talk about 680 00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,120 Speaker 1: can you see the Pride of the Black Panther as 681 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,919 Speaker 1: he grows in splendor, and Gray's top one obstacles placed 682 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 1: in the way of the regression of I don't think 683 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,319 Speaker 1: I ever heard that ship before. Again, like I knew 684 00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: about this book, I didn't know that they put out 685 00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,200 Speaker 1: a whole album where different artists were doing interpretations of 686 00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: it though. But that's something that I've kind of always 687 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 1: wanted them to just rappers to start doing in general. 688 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: It's like, I think cats should not be afraid to 689 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: do covers in hip hop the way they do another 690 00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: forms of music, because you know, like a rock band 691 00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,200 Speaker 1: can be like, hey, we want to give a shout 692 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:36,840 Speaker 1: out to Smashing Pumpkins and then do their interpretation of 693 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,320 Speaker 1: a Smashing Pumpkin song. But how come, you know, like, 694 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,160 Speaker 1: how come you can't get like me Gooes doing their 695 00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 1: version of a Ludicrous song or something like that. Like 696 00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:47,680 Speaker 1: I would want to see that. I would want to 697 00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 1: see one of these new rappers like give a shout 698 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,480 Speaker 1: out to DMX and do their version of rough Rider's 699 00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,239 Speaker 1: Anthem or something like that. So this is fresh. I 700 00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: gotta check this out. That's no learn something today. Yeah, 701 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: we are going to be back with you next week. 702 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 1: What are we gonna do next week? Do we know yet? 703 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,799 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's gonna be a mystery. It's gonna 704 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: be a mystery. But whatever it is, it's gonna be dope. 705 00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: But you know how we always close it off. We 706 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: gotta get that beat so that we can spit some rhymes. 707 00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:24,919 Speaker 1: Joe my good man. Can we get a instrumental? Oh? 708 00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:36,200 Speaker 1: Oh wait, no reparations, Wait, no reparation. Got it? I 709 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: thought the market in me would be that simple, that single. 710 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: Let's get linked. What to be a sex symbol? I said, 711 00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: I got it's actually I'm delectable, but intellectually on my 712 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,400 Speaker 1: Jetta cheese for cholesterol. Hella, hella elevated. You are lowell 713 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,000 Speaker 1: and I look well. I bet you seven cents to 714 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,640 Speaker 1: be there this later. I bet your thirty seventh cents. 715 00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:58,400 Speaker 1: A thorny feminists about the time that we will recoint 716 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: it femininity. That's funny. Enemies from the sender ravenus to 717 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: do what the tendency? If you're looking for honey, lovench, 718 00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: tenderly and the sheets, Yes again, mother fuck, I'm frenzied indusprit. 719 00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,320 Speaker 1: Not a lot of mcs to try to rock to this. 720 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 1: I say I'm dope. You perceive that as confidence. I 721 00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: got green plant seeds like a botanist, and I got speed. 722 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:25,040 Speaker 1: You're gonna need that rabotan Nick the rocial Concrete. I 723 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,520 Speaker 1: do it like to Pocalypse and neat these rappers like 724 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,720 Speaker 1: the chocolate Chip. I could not resist hit the pressure 725 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,719 Speaker 1: points until you call me spotting ship waiting a reparation 726 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: certified to be rocking there. Yeah, yeah, it's like dope dope, 727 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:47,240 Speaker 1: dope dope. Hey, my name's Dope Knife. You are waiting 728 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: on reparations next week. Listen to Waiting on Reparations on 729 00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,680 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 730 00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 1: get your podcasts