WEBVTT - Remi Wolf 0:00:15.476 --> 0:00:15.956 Pushkin. 0:00:20.316 --> 0:00:23.196 Singer songwriter Remy Wolf burst out of the pandemic like 0:00:23.316 --> 0:00:26.396 a ray of light, spreading joy with her infectious production, 0:00:26.596 --> 0:00:30.556 capricious outlook, and jaunty hooks. She appeared to come to 0:00:30.636 --> 0:00:33.356 us fully formed, but Remy's been working hard on her 0:00:33.356 --> 0:00:36.956 craft for the last decade. She started regularly performing with 0:00:37.036 --> 0:00:40.076 local bands around the Bay Area during high school. She 0:00:40.116 --> 0:00:42.436 even tried out for American Idol at seventeen years old, 0:00:42.476 --> 0:00:46.356 singing Marvin Gays, Let's get it on to j LO. Eventually, 0:00:46.396 --> 0:00:48.796 she wound up studying music in La at usc where 0:00:48.796 --> 0:00:51.476 she met many of the people she still collaborates with 0:00:51.636 --> 0:00:55.036 to this day. On today's Broken Record, Remy Wolf discusses 0:00:55.076 --> 0:00:58.236 finding her musical footing in Los Angeles, walks us through 0:00:58.236 --> 0:01:00.756 the writing of her new album, Big Ideas, and talks 0:01:00.796 --> 0:01:03.916 about her summer experience opening up for Oliver Yar Rodrigo 0:01:04.156 --> 0:01:09.956 in Europe. This is Broken Record Liner notes to the 0:01:09.996 --> 0:01:10.716 digital Age. 0:01:10.916 --> 0:01:11.836 I'm justin Mitchmill. 0:01:12.716 --> 0:01:15.876 Here's my conversation with Remy Wolf. To see the video 0:01:15.916 --> 0:01:18.556 of this podcast, head over to YouTube dot com slash 0:01:18.636 --> 0:01:20.956 Broken Record Podcast. 0:01:21.316 --> 0:01:23.676 I love the Toro hat. Oh yeah, thank you, one 0:01:23.716 --> 0:01:24.716 of my favorite. 0:01:24.316 --> 0:01:28.316 Songs on your album's Toro Toro into Alone in Miami. 0:01:28.516 --> 0:01:29.516 It's a great combo. 0:01:29.796 --> 0:01:32.436 Yes, the twins eternal twins. 0:01:32.596 --> 0:01:33.876 Is that how you think about them? 0:01:34.236 --> 0:01:38.676 Yeah, They're like there were birds from the same egg 0:01:39.756 --> 0:01:48.076 to me, really yeah, but different sperm. 0:01:45.116 --> 0:01:48.316 The same all right, that's that's twins. You're right, twins, 0:01:48.356 --> 0:01:50.996 that's genius. Okay, what what makes them? 0:01:51.236 --> 0:01:53.716 Or maybe it's two eggs and then two different spirms. 0:01:53.756 --> 0:01:55.116 Not that's not think too deeply. 0:01:55.476 --> 0:01:55.956 Not prepared. 0:01:56.596 --> 0:02:00.076 I'm not a scientist to figure that out. 0:02:00.356 --> 0:02:02.596 What those are the earliest songs you. 0:02:02.516 --> 0:02:07.716 Wrote, Yeah, those were written in kind of the first 0:02:07.756 --> 0:02:12.476 couple of sessions I did for the album back in 0:02:12.516 --> 0:02:16.036 twenty twenty two with my friend Jack de Mayo and 0:02:16.036 --> 0:02:22.116 my friend Ethan Gruska up in mantrase, Los Angeles. Yeah. 0:02:22.276 --> 0:02:25.316 Was it a writing session specifically for a new album 0:02:25.556 --> 0:02:27.596 or just yeah? 0:02:27.716 --> 0:02:33.276 I mean I knew that coming out of my first album, 0:02:33.756 --> 0:02:36.676 I wanted to make a second one, being on a 0:02:36.716 --> 0:02:41.036 major label and everything, but but I didn't really know, 0:02:42.756 --> 0:02:47.676 like exactly how it would come together. And those sessions 0:02:47.676 --> 0:02:49.996 with Ethan and Jack were kind of the beginning of 0:02:50.076 --> 0:02:57.396 the exploration of kind of the sonic and storytelling identity 0:02:57.436 --> 0:03:03.596 of this album, I guess, yeah. We wrote. We us 0:03:03.596 --> 0:03:09.356 two wrote together for like two weeks in total, but 0:03:09.356 --> 0:03:11.796 they were separated by a couple months, and I think 0:03:11.836 --> 0:03:16.436 within those two weeks we wrote like fifteen or sixteen songs, 0:03:16.436 --> 0:03:18.156 so we kind of like, really were. 0:03:18.396 --> 0:03:20.076 What songs that made the album come out? 0:03:20.076 --> 0:03:24.916 Of those Toro Alone in Miami and uh, frog Rock. 0:03:25.236 --> 0:03:27.396 I Love I fucking love frog Rock. 0:03:27.516 --> 0:03:29.716 Yeah, the frog Rock's fun. Yeah, that was the first 0:03:29.716 --> 0:03:33.116 song we actually wrote of all of those days. That 0:03:33.156 --> 0:03:36.756 was the first song of all of them, which was cool. 0:03:36.836 --> 0:03:38.836 Did you complete it that day or that in that 0:03:38.876 --> 0:03:40.476 in those sessions of two weeks? 0:03:40.836 --> 0:03:46.316 Uh, the song was like written. We went back and produced, 0:03:46.836 --> 0:03:48.796 produced it out a little more and kind of got 0:03:48.836 --> 0:03:52.196 a little bit deeper with the production almost a year 0:03:52.316 --> 0:03:59.876 later probably, but yeah, that song the Yeah, the identity 0:04:00.276 --> 0:04:04.236 of that song was kind of created in the first day. 0:04:04.276 --> 0:04:09.116 Pretty much. Toro and Alone in Miami were both alone, 0:04:09.156 --> 0:04:14.156 little different. We wrote both of those on acoustic guitar, 0:04:14.956 --> 0:04:18.156 and we like recorded the demos on acoustic guitar and 0:04:18.196 --> 0:04:22.396 then came back a while later and kind of reopened 0:04:22.396 --> 0:04:24.876 them and built them out a little bit more from there. 0:04:25.636 --> 0:04:29.596 Toro is an entirely different song than what it first 0:04:29.836 --> 0:04:32.436 or like, it sounds just so wildly different. 0:04:32.516 --> 0:04:34.876 It was just think there's any guitar on it, acoustic 0:04:34.876 --> 0:04:36.116 guitar really right, even. 0:04:35.996 --> 0:04:38.476 In the there's no acoustic guitar. It's kind of all 0:04:38.556 --> 0:04:43.596 like little funky electric licks and stuff like that. Really 0:04:43.596 --> 0:04:48.116 bass heavy. Now. At first, it was just kind of 0:04:48.116 --> 0:04:54.636 this like almost motowny acoustic guitar song. I remember going 0:04:54.636 --> 0:04:57.756 into the songwriting of that one. I was like, I 0:04:57.836 --> 0:05:01.516 really wanted to write something that felt like Motown, which 0:05:01.596 --> 0:05:06.116 is so interesting that it's now Toro because it's it's 0:05:06.156 --> 0:05:09.156 a it's sonically, I mean definitely not most. 0:05:09.596 --> 0:05:12.996 Step and I don't think by the way, it's a 0:05:12.996 --> 0:05:14.036 little different than My Girl. 0:05:15.276 --> 0:05:17.756 I mean yeah, in terms of the content or whatever. 0:05:17.916 --> 0:05:21.756 I mean, you know, there were there is some Motown 0:05:21.796 --> 0:05:26.076 has some sexual innuendos going on up in those songs. 0:05:26.196 --> 0:05:28.196 Maybe they're a little bit more hidden than mine. I 0:05:28.196 --> 0:05:28.796 don't know I. 0:05:29.196 --> 0:05:34.116 Think of which ones, you know, yeah, probably some Marvin somewhere. 0:05:34.756 --> 0:05:36.636 Sure there was some. 0:05:39.196 --> 0:05:42.636 Sugar Pie Honey Bunch. Sugar Pie Honey Bunch. I think 0:05:42.636 --> 0:05:47.876 it's just me, but yeah, it. 0:05:47.876 --> 0:05:49.836 Could be, though I see what you mean. I see 0:05:49.836 --> 0:05:51.756 what you mean, like that could be, But I don't. 0:05:51.796 --> 0:05:53.596 I think it was more. I think it's more innocent 0:05:53.956 --> 0:05:55.636 than that. What made you? 0:05:55.716 --> 0:05:59.276 What made you want to that particular day? What made 0:05:59.316 --> 0:06:02.956 you want to write a motown sounding song? 0:06:04.116 --> 0:06:06.756 I have no idea. I couldn't tell you. 0:06:06.956 --> 0:06:08.436 Is it a catalog you listened. 0:06:08.156 --> 0:06:14.396 To a lot sometimes? I mean, like the classics I 0:06:14.436 --> 0:06:17.436 feel like are on my shuffle, you know, in my 0:06:18.076 --> 0:06:21.596 in my library. But I don't know. I think I 0:06:21.676 --> 0:06:25.236 just wanted I think we I think we were writing 0:06:25.276 --> 0:06:29.756 a lot of kind of folk rock stuff that week, 0:06:29.836 --> 0:06:31.596 and I kind of wanted to just change it up. 0:06:31.836 --> 0:06:36.036 And I guess when when I was in college, I 0:06:36.076 --> 0:06:39.516 went to USC Thrton School Music, and part of our 0:06:41.996 --> 0:06:47.956 curriculum was we spent almost a full semester on motown 0:06:48.436 --> 0:06:52.556 wow and like learning those songs front to back, like 0:06:53.436 --> 0:06:59.556 replicating them essentially in our performance class. So i'd I'd 0:06:59.596 --> 0:07:02.836 had a lot of experience kind of getting inside those songs, 0:07:02.956 --> 0:07:07.236 and I hadn't done that for a while. But Jack, 0:07:07.956 --> 0:07:10.476 my friend that I was writing with, went to school 0:07:10.556 --> 0:07:14.396 with me, so we both kind of had that repertoire 0:07:14.716 --> 0:07:17.316 like within us, and I think that I was kind 0:07:17.356 --> 0:07:20.956 of just like, we should do something that is kind 0:07:20.996 --> 0:07:24.876 of a throwback to Motown, throwback to like that time 0:07:25.516 --> 0:07:29.156 that we spent together in school almost. I mean, I 0:07:29.156 --> 0:07:32.076 don't know, I said it on a whim and we 0:07:32.156 --> 0:07:34.036 kind of just rolled ran with it. 0:07:34.116 --> 0:07:36.956 But and the demo does sound like maybe closer to. 0:07:38.476 --> 0:07:42.756 Yeah, I think some of the chords, you know, are 0:07:42.996 --> 0:07:46.156 kind of two five to one chord progression in there, 0:07:46.156 --> 0:07:50.716 which is pretty motowny and just pretty jazzy and solely. 0:07:51.476 --> 0:07:52.396 That college education. 0:07:53.956 --> 0:08:00.676 Yeah, man, I feel I'm so distant from it now 0:08:00.716 --> 0:08:02.956 that like all of my knowledge is a little bit rusty. 0:08:02.956 --> 0:08:05.116 But if you had caught me when I was like nineteen, 0:08:05.236 --> 0:08:07.956 I could just riddle off some theory. 0:08:07.716 --> 0:08:09.116 Intense theory, I'm sure, right. 0:08:09.196 --> 0:08:12.796 Yeah, Now it's kind of it's kind of gone, and luckily. 0:08:12.516 --> 0:08:15.476 I don't it's probably for the best right somewhere back there, 0:08:15.516 --> 0:08:17.236 Like it's still there, it's still. 0:08:17.036 --> 0:08:21.396 There, but it's it's fuzzy. And I think I always 0:08:21.476 --> 0:08:27.996 kind of kept my like actual education at arm's length, 0:08:28.196 --> 0:08:32.116 especially when going into you know, writing music for my 0:08:32.196 --> 0:08:38.476 own project. It's because I like didn't want any rules 0:08:39.236 --> 0:08:42.596 attached to what I was making, And I think school 0:08:42.676 --> 0:08:44.596 it's really good for a lot of things, but they 0:08:44.636 --> 0:08:47.516 do kind of you know, there there's a lot of 0:08:47.916 --> 0:08:51.916 processes that they that they kind of instill, and some 0:08:51.996 --> 0:08:53.796 of them are really for the best, and some of 0:08:53.796 --> 0:08:56.756 them I think can stifle your creativity at times. So 0:08:56.836 --> 0:09:03.436 I've I've kind of gotten to pick and choose what 0:09:03.436 --> 0:09:08.396 what I learned from my education that really works for me. 0:09:08.636 --> 0:09:13.156 So how many people that you collaborate with now work 0:09:13.196 --> 0:09:16.436 with now come from your time at school at USC? 0:09:18.236 --> 0:09:21.596 Some people, Yeah, Jack, he's a big one. Connor Malloy, 0:09:21.676 --> 0:09:24.516 my drummer. I've been with him. He's been playing in 0:09:24.596 --> 0:09:28.236 my band since we were in college together, so we've 0:09:28.236 --> 0:09:33.036 been playing together for probably eight years now. I mean 0:09:33.076 --> 0:09:37.796 a lot of my lot of my friends. My friend 0:09:37.916 --> 0:09:41.436 Danny Fahrenbach, he plays trumpet for me. Sometimes you still 0:09:41.436 --> 0:09:44.556 hang with a lot of people from Yeah, Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 0:09:44.596 --> 0:09:49.316 My friend Liz, who I have famously written a song about. Yeah, 0:09:50.156 --> 0:09:53.236 she's around, She's like one of my best friends. Yeah, 0:09:53.236 --> 0:09:55.916 we're all kind of floating around. I feel like I've 0:09:57.716 --> 0:10:04.916 my main collaborators musically did not go to USC with me, 0:10:05.236 --> 0:10:09.036 but I mean Jared Solomon, who's like been my main 0:10:09.116 --> 0:10:12.636 collaborator for a really long time high school since high school. Yeah, 0:10:12.756 --> 0:10:14.116 I mean yeah, we met in high school. 0:10:14.476 --> 0:10:16.076 Didn't go to the same high school as you were, 0:10:16.116 --> 0:10:17.516 just kind of from No. 0:10:17.796 --> 0:10:21.516 We went to the same after school music program together, 0:10:21.876 --> 0:10:28.996 and yeah, we had like a very kismet meeting where 0:10:29.036 --> 0:10:32.516 like we had the same instructor and one day we 0:10:32.516 --> 0:10:34.596 were there at the same time and he threw us 0:10:34.676 --> 0:10:37.156 both in a room and Jared was like, you know, 0:10:37.636 --> 0:10:40.556 really good guitar player and I was a singer, and 0:10:40.596 --> 0:10:43.076 he's like, Okay, you guys should do a cover. So 0:10:43.116 --> 0:10:49.476 we covered Valerie the Amy Winehouse cover that she did 0:10:49.516 --> 0:10:54.356 with Mark Ronson, and we kind of were like both 0:10:54.556 --> 0:10:57.276 very wide eyed at each other. We were like, oh, 0:10:58.196 --> 0:10:59.916 you're good at this, and it. 0:10:59.956 --> 0:11:02.676 Was like you you're good at guitar, You're great at singing. 0:11:02.876 --> 0:11:08.396 Yeah, it was like a very mutual like okay, And 0:11:08.436 --> 0:11:12.996 I think that opened up a world for us at 0:11:12.996 --> 0:11:14.356 the time. And then we ended up being in a 0:11:14.396 --> 0:11:17.996 band together in high school, writing a lot. We did 0:11:18.036 --> 0:11:21.116 like battle the bands together, We like played at bars 0:11:21.156 --> 0:11:28.596 and restaurants and we busked together, and he ended up 0:11:28.596 --> 0:11:31.716 going to Berkeley College of Music, and he was a 0:11:31.796 --> 0:11:34.876 year older than me, so I he was gone and 0:11:34.916 --> 0:11:38.796 I went to USC and then four years later we 0:11:38.916 --> 0:11:42.116 ended up. He ended up coming through LA on a 0:11:42.156 --> 0:11:44.476 tour that he was on with one of his friends 0:11:44.516 --> 0:11:47.396 from school, and he ended up hitting me up to 0:11:47.436 --> 0:11:49.476 ask if he could stay in my house for a 0:11:49.516 --> 0:11:52.796 week and a half. And luckily, I kind of lived 0:11:52.836 --> 0:11:54.476 in a bit of a trap house at the time, 0:11:54.516 --> 0:11:56.796 so I was like, yeah, sure, you can, like sleep 0:11:56.836 --> 0:12:01.356 on the couch, and he came through and then we 0:12:01.396 --> 0:12:03.196 set up a little studio in my room and that 0:12:03.316 --> 0:12:07.196 was kind of the beginning of us working together again. 0:12:07.276 --> 0:12:08.876 And that kind of kicked everything off. 0:12:09.916 --> 0:12:12.876 And was that I'm trying to because it's funny. I 0:12:12.916 --> 0:12:17.356 was looking back first of all, Remy and Chloe. I 0:12:17.476 --> 0:12:19.676 just discovered that like a week ago. But the cover. 0:12:19.876 --> 0:12:22.996 I used to live in the Bay around that time, 0:12:23.556 --> 0:12:25.516 and the cover was like a flag. 0:12:25.676 --> 0:12:27.276 I knew. I'd seen that in a couple of places. 0:12:27.276 --> 0:12:28.556 I don't know if I got coverage in like the 0:12:28.596 --> 0:12:31.316 East Bay Express or the time I was working on 0:12:31.436 --> 0:12:33.436 the Calyx the radio stations, so. 0:12:33.476 --> 0:12:35.036 Maybe the cover of our songs. 0:12:35.156 --> 0:12:39.076 Yeah, the cover of that r E P the EP. 0:12:39.596 --> 0:12:41.716 Oh my god, that's so funny. 0:12:41.756 --> 0:12:43.636 I flashed back. I was like, yo, I know this 0:12:43.716 --> 0:12:47.116 cover from that's so wid Yeah. Yeah, I mean I 0:12:47.116 --> 0:12:47.796 didn't realize it was. 0:12:48.436 --> 0:12:51.196 We played. We played around the Bay area a lot, 0:12:51.236 --> 0:12:54.556 like we played in San Francisco, we played in Oakland, 0:12:54.836 --> 0:12:58.596 we played in Redwood City, we played in Alalto, Memo Park, 0:12:58.676 --> 0:13:00.276 San Jose, like we were kind of. 0:13:00.516 --> 0:13:02.076 Probably saw in Oakland or somewhere. 0:13:02.156 --> 0:13:04.516 Yeah, we were, we were. We were up and down 0:13:04.676 --> 0:13:12.876 the the Silicon Valley. It was. It was that's crazy. 0:13:12.956 --> 0:13:15.036 Yeah, it was interesting like seeing that stuff, like going 0:13:15.036 --> 0:13:17.356 back and checking out some of that stuff, you like, 0:13:19.036 --> 0:13:22.796 were much more like kind of roots like your music 0:13:23.196 --> 0:13:25.756 full stylings were much more like rootsy. You know, it 0:13:25.796 --> 0:13:28.276 seemed like you were much more connected to and probably 0:13:28.316 --> 0:13:30.476 still are, soul music in a lot of ways. 0:13:30.596 --> 0:13:33.716 And and you know, yeah that. I mean, my my 0:13:33.996 --> 0:13:40.396 musical upgrade upbringing then was a lot of Stevie Wonder, 0:13:41.076 --> 0:13:46.796 a lot of like the Beatles, a lot of Red 0:13:46.836 --> 0:13:56.356 Hot Chili Peppers, James Taylor, uh, you know, funk stuff. 0:13:56.476 --> 0:13:58.276 I mean I was listening to a lot of stuff, 0:13:58.276 --> 0:14:01.476 but I a lot of Marvin Gaye, a lot of 0:14:01.516 --> 0:14:03.916 Emmy Winehouse. I mean I loved her as a kid. 0:14:04.396 --> 0:14:08.476 I remember I listened to a lot of Joss Stone. Yeah, 0:14:08.476 --> 0:14:10.916 when I was a young girl. 0:14:11.036 --> 0:14:13.556 I was just thinking about her recently. I haven't I know, 0:14:13.676 --> 0:14:14.196 I was too. 0:14:14.236 --> 0:14:16.116 I don't know why, but she came up. I don't 0:14:16.116 --> 0:14:18.356 know why she came up, but she was so sick. 0:14:18.436 --> 0:14:22.236 She had some great, great songs, and she was really young. 0:14:24.076 --> 0:14:25.756 Those are great records, No. 0:14:25.796 --> 0:14:33.436 They are Adele, I mean classic, I Eric Abatdo. I 0:14:33.476 --> 0:14:36.116 had like a little snarky puppy face when I was 0:14:36.156 --> 0:14:43.116 a kid. Yeah, yeah, tool Randomly, I was just kind 0:14:43.116 --> 0:14:45.036 of like soaking it all in. And I was in 0:14:45.116 --> 0:14:49.236 this I was in this after school program, and essentially 0:14:49.316 --> 0:14:51.076 I was just surrounded by all these kids who were 0:14:51.076 --> 0:14:55.116 also interested in music, and we all would play together 0:14:55.396 --> 0:14:58.716 in these bands, and we would play covers, we'd do 0:14:58.796 --> 0:15:02.996 like recitals, and I learned so much music that way. 0:15:04.716 --> 0:15:08.676 And I've kind of always been into like live band 0:15:08.876 --> 0:15:11.996 can figurations and kind of the sound of like rock 0:15:12.676 --> 0:15:15.796 and live like live stuff in that way, because it's 0:15:16.316 --> 0:15:18.916 how I grew up. And I think that's such a 0:15:19.036 --> 0:15:21.956 it's still such a core element of how I make 0:15:21.996 --> 0:15:24.596 my music now, it's like I need it to be 0:15:25.876 --> 0:15:30.956 real instruments or else. I am lost some yeah, I'm lost. 0:15:30.996 --> 0:15:34.036 Something's wrong. It's like it's losing part of me. 0:15:34.436 --> 0:15:35.116 Well, it's incredible. 0:15:35.156 --> 0:15:37.676 How long I want to show you this because I 0:15:37.756 --> 0:15:39.516 blew me away when I saw this. This is incredible. How 0:15:39.516 --> 0:15:41.436 long you've had this is? I think this is you 0:15:41.516 --> 0:15:44.116 in when you're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. 0:15:44.596 --> 0:15:46.036 The band's amazing, though. 0:15:45.956 --> 0:15:46.836 Okay, what is it? 0:15:47.716 --> 0:15:48.396 You tell me? What? 0:15:49.596 --> 0:15:53.676 Oh god, oh I can't believe you're pulling this up. 0:15:53.796 --> 0:15:54.076 We don't. 0:15:55.236 --> 0:15:59.956 This is awesome music, is my Yeah, you're in high school? 0:16:02.996 --> 0:16:05.116 Oh my god? Do that? Those are my voice? 0:16:05.316 --> 0:16:06.236 Kids are? Kids? 0:16:06.236 --> 0:16:09.676 Are sick? Yeah, we're doing it. You know. That's my 0:16:09.796 --> 0:16:15.196 friend Chloeing. That's my friend Greg. Is that Dreg? 0:16:18.236 --> 0:16:20.916 Yeah? Who are the bass players killing it too? 0:16:20.956 --> 0:16:25.076 That's Terry Justice. He was in my van. I actually 0:16:25.116 --> 0:16:29.356 just saw him for the first time in like ten years. Bro. 0:16:29.476 --> 0:16:31.756 I just saw him for the first time in Copenhagen. 0:16:31.796 --> 0:16:34.076 He lives there. He's in there. Yeah, he's lived there 0:16:34.076 --> 0:16:39.116 for like seven years. And yeah, just reunited with him 0:16:39.556 --> 0:16:41.596 like a month ago, and it was so amazing. To 0:16:41.596 --> 0:16:44.316 see him, like he's so unchanged. He's the same, same dude. 0:16:44.436 --> 0:16:45.396 Is he doing music still? 0:16:45.836 --> 0:16:47.996 Yeah, he's in like cover bands with like fifty year 0:16:48.036 --> 0:16:51.916 old man and stuff. But he's thriving. I mean he 0:16:51.956 --> 0:16:54.636 loves it over there. But yeah, he's he was really 0:16:54.916 --> 0:16:56.956 he was in my life. We were good friends. And 0:16:57.396 --> 0:16:59.276 Aaron Valaio is the drummer. 0:16:59.356 --> 0:17:01.036 He was a killed drum He took a drum solo 0:17:01.076 --> 0:17:03.236 in that video later. Yeah, he shows you to check 0:17:03.276 --> 0:17:04.356 it out. He killed the solo. 0:17:04.676 --> 0:17:07.316 Yeah, I haven't seen him. I haven't. I probably haven't 0:17:07.316 --> 0:17:11.676 seen him since I don't know, twenty fourteen and yeah, but. 0:17:12.156 --> 0:17:15.356 Yeah, like you had like good musicians around you. 0:17:15.396 --> 0:17:19.396 We were Yeah, we were like training, we were doing it. 0:17:19.556 --> 0:17:21.236 Everybody's very passionate about it. 0:17:21.836 --> 0:17:27.276 What I was trying to figure out where the jump 0:17:27.596 --> 0:17:31.716 came from to, you know, like the music you started 0:17:31.716 --> 0:17:36.836 putting out twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, that feels much less like, 0:17:37.116 --> 0:17:40.196 you know, just derivative, Like your music is so original 0:17:40.676 --> 0:17:44.236 to my ears, thank you it like, but there's clearly 0:17:44.596 --> 0:17:45.996 I don't know, it seems like there was clearly a 0:17:46.076 --> 0:17:49.276 change in the way you started if not writing like 0:17:49.676 --> 0:17:52.596 thinking about you know, producing out your songs or whatever. 0:17:53.036 --> 0:17:57.196 I think me going off to school and really exploring 0:17:57.316 --> 0:18:00.836 songwriting on my own was really helpful in that process 0:18:00.836 --> 0:18:03.236 because I was kind of figuring out what chords I liked, 0:18:03.516 --> 0:18:09.236 what keys I liked singing in like, I started just 0:18:09.316 --> 0:18:12.196 kind of to figure out how to write songs that 0:18:12.316 --> 0:18:19.036 made sense to me. And that was just my own 0:18:19.356 --> 0:18:21.636 journey that I was taking kind of in my bedroom 0:18:21.796 --> 0:18:26.796 in school, because to be honest, I like I love 0:18:26.876 --> 0:18:32.996 to skip class, loved it and did that a lot, 0:18:33.196 --> 0:18:34.836 and I would just kind of be writing in my 0:18:34.956 --> 0:18:37.516 room and or hanging out with like my roommates and 0:18:37.596 --> 0:18:42.956 jamming in my living room, or like I had this 0:18:42.996 --> 0:18:45.516 little EDM phase where me and my friend Danny would 0:18:45.796 --> 0:18:48.596 go into his room and like take out or all 0:18:48.676 --> 0:18:51.116 and like make so much DM music. And that was 0:18:51.476 --> 0:18:57.196 so crazy. I think I just I just was. I 0:18:57.316 --> 0:19:01.196 essentially didn't release or record any music for four years, 0:19:01.236 --> 0:19:03.516 like in all of the time that I was there, and. 0:19:03.556 --> 0:19:05.796 Twenty fifteen to nineteen, rough. 0:19:06.236 --> 0:19:09.716 Like twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen, I essentially was just 0:19:09.756 --> 0:19:13.716 like Silent. I did a couple live shows here and there, 0:19:13.756 --> 0:19:15.796 We did a lot of house parties where we would 0:19:15.836 --> 0:19:19.276 do like covers and stuff. But I was kind of 0:19:19.396 --> 0:19:25.476 just bubbling and like letting myself explore in a way 0:19:25.476 --> 0:19:28.436 that I hadn't really done before. 0:19:29.156 --> 0:19:31.236 Did it feel good or did you feel kind of 0:19:31.236 --> 0:19:34.716 wayward lost because you seem like hyper focused when you 0:19:34.716 --> 0:19:35.436 were younger on? 0:19:36.236 --> 0:19:40.276 I never felt lost. I just felt like I was evolving. 0:19:42.916 --> 0:19:45.036 I feel like that That's one thing about me that 0:19:45.356 --> 0:19:50.996 I like about myself. Not to validate myself, but I 0:19:51.196 --> 0:19:54.756 like that I'm I've always kind of been a person 0:19:54.796 --> 0:19:57.756 that if I set my mind to it and if 0:19:57.796 --> 0:19:59.876 I tell myself I'm gonna do it, I just do 0:19:59.956 --> 0:20:06.676 it and there's like no second thoughts. And I I 0:20:06.756 --> 0:20:11.636 just I still am that way even in my music, 0:20:11.916 --> 0:20:16.596 mostly in my music making of just like I am 0:20:16.756 --> 0:20:23.436 a deep, deep believer in my intuition and my gut 0:20:23.636 --> 0:20:26.756 and in my subconscious to kind of guide me to 0:20:26.796 --> 0:20:29.956 where I need to go. And I've kind of always 0:20:30.316 --> 0:20:34.516 had that trust in myself since I was little, especially 0:20:34.516 --> 0:20:35.076 in music. 0:20:35.716 --> 0:20:39.316 Come from a nate, I don't know. 0:20:39.476 --> 0:20:42.596 I think my parents were always really supportive of me. 0:20:43.156 --> 0:20:46.556 I don't know if that had anything to contribute to it, 0:20:46.596 --> 0:20:53.116 but even even early, like when I wasn't good, like 0:20:53.156 --> 0:20:56.116 when I couldn't like sing on pitch or whatever, I 0:20:56.196 --> 0:20:59.076 was still like, eh, you know, I got this. And 0:20:59.116 --> 0:21:02.836 then eventually, like my ability is caught up I think 0:21:02.876 --> 0:21:05.956 with me, and I was kind of able to I mean, 0:21:05.996 --> 0:21:08.436 even when it was horrible. I just had this belief 0:21:08.476 --> 0:21:09.356 in myself and. 0:21:09.316 --> 0:21:10.476 Other people validating you. 0:21:11.476 --> 0:21:15.996 Yeah, I mean I was being validated by like, you know, 0:21:16.316 --> 0:21:19.356 other musicians who were my age, and I had some 0:21:19.516 --> 0:21:24.996 teachers who were really encouraging. For sure. I think I 0:21:24.996 --> 0:21:28.996 don't know something vocally, something switched when I was fifteen. 0:21:29.876 --> 0:21:33.636 I don't know if it was hormones or whatever the hell. 0:21:33.676 --> 0:21:35.276 I don't know what the hell it was, but I 0:21:35.316 --> 0:21:37.396 could all of a sudden when I turned fifteen, and 0:21:37.436 --> 0:21:40.996 I was like able to sing with this rasp and 0:21:41.116 --> 0:21:43.716 like really strongly, whereas like before, I was kind of 0:21:44.236 --> 0:21:47.996 wasn't working as well. Yeah, And I think once I 0:21:48.076 --> 0:21:49.916 kind of started to be able to tap into my 0:21:50.036 --> 0:21:54.636 voice and discover the power of my voice, I like 0:21:54.876 --> 0:21:58.516 was really I really started leading in leading into too, 0:21:59.796 --> 0:22:02.596 like really singing and performing and making music because it 0:22:02.676 --> 0:22:03.636 just made me feel good. 0:22:04.796 --> 0:22:06.996 We'll be right back with more from Remy Wolf After 0:22:07.036 --> 0:22:14.596 this break, we're back with more from Remy Wolf. How 0:22:14.636 --> 0:22:17.516 much earlier than fifteen did you start singing? 0:22:17.596 --> 0:22:23.636 Like I started singing when I was in probably fourth grade? 0:22:24.396 --> 0:22:26.956 Third or fourth grade. 0:22:27.156 --> 0:22:28.956 Your parents aren't musical, right, Like they're not. 0:22:29.276 --> 0:22:30.796 No, not at all. 0:22:31.636 --> 0:22:33.796 Is anyone else in your family musical? 0:22:33.916 --> 0:22:37.716 No? Not, like not really at all. My some of 0:22:37.756 --> 0:22:41.356 my siblings can like hold a tune for sure, and like, 0:22:42.236 --> 0:22:44.476 I mean, nobody else in my family makes music. Actually, 0:22:44.476 --> 0:22:49.556 some of my my cousins love to write poetry and 0:22:49.636 --> 0:22:53.076 like rap, but none of them have pursued it professionally 0:22:53.636 --> 0:22:56.756 in the same way that I have. But I think 0:22:58.116 --> 0:23:02.316 my family is a creative family. Like my mom is 0:23:02.356 --> 0:23:07.436 in is a chef, has been into cooking her whole life. 0:23:07.596 --> 0:23:13.396 My grandparents are really into food. And my grandpa is 0:23:13.436 --> 0:23:17.196 like an entrepreneur. He's started I like countless, like so 0:23:17.316 --> 0:23:20.796 many random little businesses. Like he had this like little 0:23:20.836 --> 0:23:25.236 business where he would make side tables out of stone, 0:23:25.356 --> 0:23:28.556 and then he has like a pickle company, and he 0:23:28.596 --> 0:23:30.476 has like a vinegar company. 0:23:30.956 --> 0:23:32.876 Those kind of those go together. 0:23:33.196 --> 0:23:36.876 Yeah, yeah, pickles of vinegar, that's cool. But and then 0:23:36.876 --> 0:23:40.156 my dad is like really entrepreneurial as well, so I 0:23:40.196 --> 0:23:42.356 think I think what I learned from them was like, 0:23:43.836 --> 0:23:46.156 if I want to be my own boss, I can, 0:23:48.076 --> 0:23:51.356 which I now am, which I don't think there's any 0:23:51.396 --> 0:23:56.076 other way that I could exist. As I said before, 0:23:56.076 --> 0:24:00.676 I'm like too controlling and I would just never be 0:24:00.756 --> 0:24:03.556 able to hold down a job. I don't think there's 0:24:03.596 --> 0:24:07.436 some creativity flowing through just. 0:24:07.396 --> 0:24:09.076 In the way your family existed. 0:24:09.396 --> 0:24:11.836 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess. 0:24:11.716 --> 0:24:14.516 Just talking about bosses, you mentioned it earlier that you 0:24:14.556 --> 0:24:16.996 did get like you are signed to a major label, 0:24:17.076 --> 0:24:19.316 signed to Island. 0:24:19.556 --> 0:24:20.316 How did that happen? 0:24:20.356 --> 0:24:22.676 What was the process, like, you know, I mean, you 0:24:22.716 --> 0:24:25.676 started putting out music in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty again 0:24:25.796 --> 0:24:28.596 twenty eighteen, nineteen twenty. Yeah, people really started liking it. 0:24:28.636 --> 0:24:31.756 At what point did labels start reaching out to. 0:24:31.676 --> 0:24:39.876 You very immediately? Which was crazy. I put out a 0:24:39.916 --> 0:24:47.956 song called Guy in January of twenty nineteen, and I 0:24:48.276 --> 0:24:52.156 was it kind of immediately got on kind of this 0:24:52.876 --> 0:24:59.636 Spotify new music algorithm, do you know how no clue, 0:25:00.076 --> 0:25:04.316 no idea, And that was kind of like the beginning 0:25:04.356 --> 0:25:12.036 of Spotify, like the playlisting boom. Yeah, but yeah, it 0:25:12.436 --> 0:25:17.196 got in some sort of system and was being you know, 0:25:18.116 --> 0:25:21.956 fed to people on their algorithm, and from that I 0:25:22.076 --> 0:25:26.956 was reached out to by a couple anrs. One an 0:25:27.076 --> 0:25:30.236 R being this anar Hill that I ended up signing 0:25:30.236 --> 0:25:31.756 with at Island. He was the first an R that 0:25:31.756 --> 0:25:35.316 ever reached out to me, which I felt was Yeah, 0:25:35.356 --> 0:25:38.516 it was like fitting and really the signing process took 0:25:38.556 --> 0:25:43.476 about a year and I ended up signing with him 0:25:43.516 --> 0:25:45.636 in the end, but you know, I went through all 0:25:45.636 --> 0:25:49.276 the rounds. I went to a lot of the major 0:25:49.356 --> 0:25:54.036 labels I had meetings with. It was a very overwhelming 0:25:54.076 --> 0:25:57.396 process for me. I don't know. It took about nine 0:25:57.476 --> 0:26:01.676 months of me releasing music for me to really come 0:26:01.716 --> 0:26:04.516 around on the idea of like, Okay, I think now's 0:26:04.556 --> 0:26:10.076 the time to sign. And I signed because I just 0:26:10.116 --> 0:26:13.676 wanted more support and I wanted to be able to 0:26:13.716 --> 0:26:15.476 do like bigger things. 0:26:15.636 --> 0:26:20.396 Yeah like open for Olivia Rodrigo. Yeah, like that some 0:26:20.476 --> 0:26:21.236 wild ship. 0:26:21.756 --> 0:26:24.116 That is wild. I just got off that tour and 0:26:24.156 --> 0:26:27.636 that was that was a long tour, really fun, really crazy. 0:26:28.436 --> 0:26:31.636 Learned a lot. Europe is huge, Germany is huge. 0:26:31.676 --> 0:26:33.316 Oh and that's where you met up with Harry Justice. 0:26:33.356 --> 0:26:38.076 Then yes, that's a cool way to reconnect with it. Yeah, 0:26:38.196 --> 0:26:38.676 high school. 0:26:39.356 --> 0:26:44.676 Yeah, it's really really crazy, really crazy a set of circumstances. 0:26:44.716 --> 0:26:47.156 But yeah, how many months was that? 0:26:47.156 --> 0:26:50.996 That was two months? Ten week tour? Wow, long tour. 0:26:51.956 --> 0:26:52.636 That's a long tour. 0:26:52.716 --> 0:26:53.076 What was it? 0:26:53.116 --> 0:26:55.676 I mean it's weird because in a way you're you've 0:26:56.236 --> 0:26:58.996 I mean I don't know. I mean you're at least 0:26:59.036 --> 0:27:01.036 older than her, so and I imagine I have a 0:27:01.076 --> 0:27:03.276 little more Yeah, I don't know. 0:27:03.356 --> 0:27:04.596 Like what was that it? Like? 0:27:04.916 --> 0:27:08.596 No, I mean she is a powerhouse. She like was 0:27:08.636 --> 0:27:13.396 born I think to do this, to do this show. Yeah, 0:27:13.476 --> 0:27:16.436 I mean she like she gets it done, and she's 0:27:16.476 --> 0:27:19.556 so consistent, and it's it's it's crazy like what she 0:27:19.796 --> 0:27:21.956 does every night, her shows two hours long. I mean, 0:27:22.396 --> 0:27:27.556 and her voice just it's just crystal clear. I smoke 0:27:27.596 --> 0:27:31.796 and drink, which is, you know, not awesome for the voice, 0:27:31.916 --> 0:27:36.116 but also it's it's okay, my voice holds up. But yeah, 0:27:36.156 --> 0:27:40.316 I mean, I think these opening tours, because I've also 0:27:40.396 --> 0:27:44.676 opened for Lord and for Paramour and still Losing and 0:27:44.756 --> 0:27:47.836 Cautious Clear, I've done a bunch of opening tours in 0:27:47.916 --> 0:27:53.556 my time. They're really interesting, especially at the arena level, 0:27:54.236 --> 0:28:00.236 because in those rooms they're so big, and you are 0:28:00.316 --> 0:28:06.716 really feeling the depth of people not knowing who you 0:28:06.756 --> 0:28:12.236 are at all. And I think that I've kind of 0:28:13.196 --> 0:28:18.036 taken that on as a challenge for myself, not only 0:28:18.156 --> 0:28:25.276 to like get them stoked for the main act, whether 0:28:25.316 --> 0:28:27.796 it be like Paramour or Olivia or Lord whoever it is, 0:28:28.596 --> 0:28:30.316 because that's really my job. When I go on an 0:28:30.356 --> 0:28:32.276 opening tour, it's like I want to warm up the 0:28:32.316 --> 0:28:37.036 crowd so that when Olivia steps on stage, they are 0:28:38.236 --> 0:28:39.596 so gassed already. 0:28:39.796 --> 0:28:43.036 Someone put up I think at least pretty near complete 0:28:43.196 --> 0:28:46.356 recording of your of your set opening for her, and yeah, 0:28:46.436 --> 0:28:49.396 washing it and you're like, I mean the audience. 0:28:49.236 --> 0:28:53.236 Stretch literally stretched, yeah and shit for Olivia. Yeah, I 0:28:53.236 --> 0:28:55.596 mean that's it was like James James Brown level of 0:28:55.636 --> 0:28:56.796 commitment to the job. 0:28:57.316 --> 0:29:00.516 Yeah yeah, yeah, I commit really really hard. And I 0:29:00.516 --> 0:29:03.476 also just like for her crowd, especially to half of 0:29:03.476 --> 0:29:07.516 that audience, it's their first concert ever, so they there 0:29:07.556 --> 0:29:11.476 is an element of them feeling uncomfortable because they've never 0:29:11.796 --> 0:29:14.196 been in a room like that before. So I kind 0:29:14.236 --> 0:29:18.876 of took it upon me to get them warmed up 0:29:18.956 --> 0:29:21.956 into the space, yeah, so that there could be like 0:29:22.516 --> 0:29:26.556 a communal vibe which is. I mean, to me, a 0:29:26.676 --> 0:29:31.596 show just should be a huge house party or just 0:29:31.636 --> 0:29:34.996 like a huge essentially DIY experience. I just wanted to 0:29:35.036 --> 0:29:39.436 feel like you're like super communal and like you're all together. 0:29:40.956 --> 0:29:42.036 I want to be a hostess. 0:29:42.356 --> 0:29:45.756 Yeah, I'm trying to host like truly. I yeah, and 0:29:45.996 --> 0:29:50.396 that's that is probably why I like hosting, because I'm 0:29:50.476 --> 0:29:52.556 just like I want everybody to have a good time. 0:29:53.396 --> 0:29:56.076 But yeah, I think I learned. I learned or I 0:29:56.196 --> 0:30:00.116 started really refining like how to expedite that process of 0:30:00.156 --> 0:30:06.236 getting that audience like engaged and ready really quick and 0:30:06.316 --> 0:30:09.436 like that is doing the exercises. It is like putting 0:30:09.436 --> 0:30:13.436 your hands up and shaking around and working your hips 0:30:13.476 --> 0:30:16.356 out and like singing like we do everything together. And 0:30:16.396 --> 0:30:19.156 I think that it really does get people comfortable and 0:30:19.236 --> 0:30:24.996 like in themselves and present and ready for that intensive 0:30:24.996 --> 0:30:28.076 inexperience because concerts, I mean they're like they're intense. Yeah, 0:30:28.156 --> 0:30:32.996 they're loud, they're emotional, they're you're packed together like really tightly. 0:30:33.756 --> 0:30:37.836 And doing these opening gigs have has really helped me 0:30:38.676 --> 0:30:42.036 refine that skill and know that it's something that I 0:30:42.076 --> 0:30:43.076 want to do. 0:30:43.716 --> 0:30:45.876 Yeah for people, you enjoy it? Yeah, how long? 0:30:45.916 --> 0:30:47.516 Did it take you to like kind of warm up 0:30:47.516 --> 0:30:49.596 to be in the warm up for Olivia like on 0:30:49.636 --> 0:30:53.956 that tour. Hmm, when did you feel like you had 0:30:53.956 --> 0:30:55.236 to die? I'm like, all right, now I know how 0:30:55.236 --> 0:30:56.356 to get the audience like. 0:30:58.156 --> 0:30:58.276 Oo. 0:30:58.516 --> 0:31:02.596 I think maybe at show like ten, probably once we 0:31:02.636 --> 0:31:05.596 got to London that was maybe like show eight. I 0:31:05.636 --> 0:31:10.796 think I started I started really saying into it. But 0:31:10.876 --> 0:31:13.196 I mean we did thirty one shows or thirty two 0:31:13.196 --> 0:31:17.756 shows or something altogether for her, and I mean the 0:31:17.796 --> 0:31:20.236 show kept morphing, like it's like if you you can't 0:31:20.276 --> 0:31:23.316 just do the same thing every night. So I started, 0:31:23.476 --> 0:31:25.956 you know, started morphing it. By the end of the show, 0:31:25.996 --> 0:31:29.076 I was dropped, dropping f bombs and flashing my tips 0:31:29.156 --> 0:31:33.316 to the crowd. That was very different from the beginning 0:31:33.956 --> 0:31:36.036 of the show or of the lead anticipate. 0:31:36.076 --> 0:31:38.076 I was gonna ask because, like you know, you were saying, 0:31:38.076 --> 0:31:39.796 it was like a lot of people's first show like 0:31:39.876 --> 0:31:42.996 concert liked So did you have the tailor cut out 0:31:43.036 --> 0:31:44.556 certain songs maybe. 0:31:44.396 --> 0:31:48.076 Or yeah, but you know, yeah, for like for my 0:31:48.196 --> 0:31:52.356 song Toro, which is about having like this essentially like 0:31:52.396 --> 0:31:57.276 a fuck fest in a hotel. I mean that is 0:31:57.276 --> 0:32:00.956 what that song is about I obviously couldn't say that, 0:32:01.236 --> 0:32:03.796 or I didn't want to lead with that with these 0:32:03.876 --> 0:32:09.276 like children, so I ended up saying like, yo, you 0:32:09.316 --> 0:32:12.476 guys ever had a crush, Like, raise your hand, if 0:32:12.476 --> 0:32:14.236 you ever had a crush, raise your hand. If you 0:32:14.236 --> 0:32:16.436 have a crush right now, raise your hand, if you've 0:32:16.476 --> 0:32:18.996 ever been in love? And then I would kind of 0:32:18.996 --> 0:32:22.156 be like, Okay, this song is about like the biggest, 0:32:22.236 --> 0:32:30.716 fattest crush I've ever had. But then by the end 0:32:30.756 --> 0:32:32.356 I would do this whole thing and I was like, yo, 0:32:32.436 --> 0:32:35.036 if you ever had a crush, Okay, have you ever 0:32:35.076 --> 0:32:37.356 been in love? Okay, who's never had a crush and 0:32:37.396 --> 0:32:40.156 never been in love? Like hell yeah? And then I 0:32:40.276 --> 0:32:42.556 turn around and be like, all right, this song's about 0:32:42.596 --> 0:32:48.316 fucking in a hotel and it's funny. It's It was 0:32:48.356 --> 0:32:50.476 funny too because at a certain point we were in 0:32:50.516 --> 0:32:54.116 all these countries and I realized that English is not 0:32:54.196 --> 0:32:59.236 their first language. Point and I was like, Oh, it 0:32:59.236 --> 0:33:01.396 doesn't really matter, fine, I could just like say it. 0:33:01.436 --> 0:33:03.796 And I think their sensibilities are like way different too 0:33:03.836 --> 0:33:05.556 than like American audiences. 0:33:05.836 --> 0:33:07.796 Yeah, I mean you're up. This is such an interesting 0:33:07.876 --> 0:33:12.236 it's such an interesting like market to dip your toes 0:33:12.276 --> 0:33:17.036 into as a American because I you just never It's 0:33:17.116 --> 0:33:22.476 like you there's there's so much of every country's culture 0:33:22.516 --> 0:33:26.916 that you just are never gonna understand. But I was 0:33:26.956 --> 0:33:29.876 trying my best to kind of catch vibe. But it's 0:33:29.956 --> 0:33:35.036 it's it's crazy. It was, it was crazy, And I 0:33:35.036 --> 0:33:38.676 would love to go back and actually like be able 0:33:38.716 --> 0:33:41.396 to kind of be in those countries a little bit longer, 0:33:41.476 --> 0:33:44.796 just to understand more about the people and more about 0:33:45.676 --> 0:33:49.036 the culture and what they like. But yeah, I mean 0:33:49.316 --> 0:33:52.516 the audience's country to country were drastically different. 0:33:52.916 --> 0:33:53.316 Wow. 0:33:53.556 --> 0:33:57.396 Yeah, just as as a collective. 0:33:56.836 --> 0:33:59.156 Whole, Like what were the differences you noticed? 0:33:59.636 --> 0:34:05.476 Italy loose as hell? They are just rowdy as all. Shit, 0:34:05.676 --> 0:34:08.756 I cannot even describe to you. I felt like my 0:34:08.876 --> 0:34:13.716 open been in act brought down their energy. It was like, 0:34:15.436 --> 0:34:17.276 and those are my people, so like I get it, 0:34:17.316 --> 0:34:21.436 Like I am, I'm half Sicilian, like i I'm I 0:34:21.556 --> 0:34:25.076 ride I ride for I ride for them. 0:34:25.476 --> 0:34:30.596 Yeah, they were you could have matched their free. 0:34:30.076 --> 0:34:33.636 I could not. I was trying, really, I was really trying. 0:34:33.676 --> 0:34:36.516 My bath. I went I went hard that show. 0:34:36.596 --> 0:34:38.836 I was like progressively just harder and harder. 0:34:38.916 --> 0:34:41.956 Oh my god, and it was at least ninety five 0:34:41.996 --> 0:34:45.556 degrees in the venue. There was no ac wow, it 0:34:45.636 --> 0:34:49.396 was it was it was a time that was a show. Yeah. 0:34:49.916 --> 0:34:54.036 And then like I don't know, like you are in 0:34:54.236 --> 0:34:59.036 Switzerland and they're very polite and they're like a little 0:34:59.076 --> 0:35:03.516 bit more stiff, and then you're in I don't know 0:35:03.516 --> 0:35:04.956 if I should even say this, but then you're in 0:35:04.996 --> 0:35:08.076 Germany and they love an order, they love taking orders. 0:35:08.756 --> 0:35:08.916 Oh. 0:35:09.716 --> 0:35:12.556 And then the UK is different, different because you know 0:35:12.676 --> 0:35:17.276 there there were speaking the same language still and that's 0:35:17.356 --> 0:35:20.236 just like a. I mean, it's it's so crazy. I 0:35:20.276 --> 0:35:22.156 don't even know. Yeah, I don't even know. 0:35:22.196 --> 0:35:25.516 How were you too much for the orderly Germany German audience? 0:35:26.516 --> 0:35:28.716 No, I don't think so. I think that they they 0:35:28.756 --> 0:35:31.716 warmed up to me. I mean the the handshaking and 0:35:31.756 --> 0:35:34.076 the hips hips swiveling always work. 0:35:34.196 --> 0:35:36.236 It's everyone right, yeah. 0:35:35.676 --> 0:35:37.916 And I did this like big vocal warm up with 0:35:37.996 --> 0:35:42.396 an oh and everybody can sing an a oh yeah, 0:35:42.756 --> 0:35:45.076 so you know I was I was trying my best. 0:35:45.156 --> 0:35:47.836 That's that's amazing because you get to like debrief with 0:35:47.916 --> 0:35:51.276 like Olivia at all, like about playing those kinds of venues. 0:35:52.156 --> 0:35:56.476 Yeah, we debriefed a little bit. I mean we towards 0:35:56.516 --> 0:35:58.676 the beginning of the tour. I remember having a conversation 0:35:58.756 --> 0:36:03.036 with her being like, WHOA, Like Europe's different, dude, and 0:36:03.076 --> 0:36:06.916 she was like yeah, She's like yeah, I know. 0:36:07.316 --> 0:36:08.396 She was noticing it too. 0:36:08.676 --> 0:36:11.756 Yeah, yeah, she she had done I think she on 0:36:11.796 --> 0:36:17.116 her last album Sour, I think she had done a 0:36:17.276 --> 0:36:21.236 European run and I think she yeah, she was. Yeah, 0:36:21.276 --> 0:36:24.116 but I had never done as extensive as a run 0:36:24.156 --> 0:36:26.596 as we just did, so it was all kind of 0:36:27.196 --> 0:36:29.196 it was new to me and I was kind of 0:36:29.196 --> 0:36:29.996 just soaking it up. 0:36:30.236 --> 0:36:32.676 Man, that'd be that seems like a fun bill though, 0:36:32.756 --> 0:36:34.036 you know, Yeah it was. 0:36:34.076 --> 0:36:36.156 Actually it was so fun. And I watched her show 0:36:36.196 --> 0:36:38.516 almost every single night, Like I loved the show. Yeah, 0:36:38.556 --> 0:36:41.636 it was so fun. I got to be really really 0:36:41.636 --> 0:36:44.876 good friends with her crew and her dancers and her band, 0:36:44.996 --> 0:36:46.556 so like we were just having a blast. 0:36:46.996 --> 0:36:49.116 Was such as a great band. Yeah, oh my. 0:36:49.076 --> 0:36:52.716 God, they're sick. They're all so talented, they're all women, 0:36:52.756 --> 0:36:55.876 are non binary, and they're just I mean I've never 0:36:56.076 --> 0:37:02.396 been in a situation where like it's so female heavy. Yeah, 0:37:03.396 --> 0:37:08.476 in the live space, And that was a really really 0:37:08.516 --> 0:37:11.476 cool to exist in for a second. 0:37:11.636 --> 0:37:13.716 Yeah, you know, I guess I think that I was 0:37:13.716 --> 0:37:16.116 was looking at the credits for for your album, new 0:37:16.156 --> 0:37:18.796 album and your other album. It does seem like a 0:37:18.836 --> 0:37:21.996 lot of your collaborators are like men. 0:37:22.636 --> 0:37:24.316 Yeah, I work with a lot of dudes. 0:37:24.356 --> 0:37:24.476 There. 0:37:24.676 --> 0:37:26.796 There are a lot of men around. 0:37:27.236 --> 0:37:30.676 Yes, yeah, in general in this room and outside. 0:37:30.956 --> 0:37:35.036 Yeah. And you know, I I don't have much to 0:37:35.076 --> 0:37:37.516 say about it other than all these people that I 0:37:37.596 --> 0:37:41.756 work with are I love them all. They're all great 0:37:41.756 --> 0:37:46.556 people and regardless of them being men or women or whoever. 0:37:46.676 --> 0:37:50.276 I really I surround myself with people who I love 0:37:50.316 --> 0:37:53.916 and trust. And I work with a lot of men. 0:37:53.956 --> 0:37:56.916 I work with a lot of women work with I 0:37:57.036 --> 0:37:57.956 just worked with a lot of people. 0:37:58.196 --> 0:38:00.756 Yeah, last album, in this album did some work with 0:38:00.836 --> 0:38:03.676 Kenny Beats. How did that come to be? 0:38:05.076 --> 0:38:09.556 Oh my god, Kenny? How did we meet? I think 0:38:09.596 --> 0:38:16.316 we met through an Instagram DM, as most people do nowadays. 0:38:17.076 --> 0:38:19.196 Which way you hit him or you hit me? 0:38:20.676 --> 0:38:22.636 Which was cool because I had been you know, I 0:38:23.836 --> 0:38:26.276 think the Cave was really big at the time, and 0:38:26.316 --> 0:38:29.396 I had been yeah, super sick show and I'd been 0:38:29.436 --> 0:38:34.676 watching that and he invited me over to his studio 0:38:34.756 --> 0:38:36.076 and I just kind of went and hung out with 0:38:36.156 --> 0:38:39.356 him and we made a song. That first day, I 0:38:39.476 --> 0:38:44.796 was really shy. I remember. I think at the time 0:38:44.836 --> 0:38:47.916 I was kind of used to going everywhere with Jared, 0:38:48.636 --> 0:38:50.756 and I think I didn't bring Jared to that session, 0:38:51.356 --> 0:38:56.116 and I just remember being shy and quiet. And then 0:38:56.836 --> 0:39:01.716 the following day I brought Jared. Yeah, we had two 0:39:01.796 --> 0:39:06.636 days together and then we made another song, and yeah, 0:39:06.676 --> 0:39:10.316 then we've just like become boys. I yeah, I love 0:39:10.396 --> 0:39:13.836 him and him and his whole team like are literally 0:39:13.876 --> 0:39:16.636 like family to me. Like I really they were like 0:39:17.156 --> 0:39:20.156 some of the first people in this industry to kind 0:39:20.156 --> 0:39:24.676 of like really welcome me with open arms and be like, yo, 0:39:24.756 --> 0:39:29.316 we're here to like support you. That's dope. And they're 0:39:29.436 --> 0:39:34.796 really They're really awesome and like really have lifted me 0:39:34.916 --> 0:39:40.996 up and kind of have been my champions for a 0:39:41.076 --> 0:39:43.756 long time, and I love them for that. 0:39:44.636 --> 0:39:46.516 After this last quick break, we'll be back with the 0:39:46.556 --> 0:39:53.836 rest of my conversation with Remy Wolf. We're back with 0:39:53.876 --> 0:39:56.396 the rest of my conversation with Remy Wolf. 0:39:57.476 --> 0:39:58.756 I feel like I lost the thread. 0:39:58.876 --> 0:40:03.236 I wanted to go back and find out like the 0:40:03.316 --> 0:40:07.476 most like was it that session with your friend Jared 0:40:07.636 --> 0:40:09.436 when he came to state you're living, like trying to 0:40:09.476 --> 0:40:12.676 pinpoint when, like when your music start to sound in 0:40:12.716 --> 0:40:15.076 the way it does now, which is like it's seriously, 0:40:15.116 --> 0:40:17.076 it's like, I mean, I don't know, like maybe I'm tripping, 0:40:17.156 --> 0:40:19.956 but if to me it sounds so original, and it 0:40:19.996 --> 0:40:24.756 sounds like the finished product differs a lot from like 0:40:24.916 --> 0:40:29.516 the original song that you write, maybe or at least 0:40:29.516 --> 0:40:30.156 some of the time. 0:40:30.556 --> 0:40:33.156 Yeah, I mean me and Jared, I think have a 0:40:33.196 --> 0:40:38.516 really special creative relationship where we are kind of able 0:40:38.596 --> 0:40:42.516 to fill in each other's gaps. And I think we 0:40:42.636 --> 0:40:45.316 figured that out when he came to stay with me 0:40:45.516 --> 0:40:50.756 during those during that week in twenty eighteen. I think 0:40:50.756 --> 0:40:57.596 it was. But he's an incredible instrumentalist. He knows how 0:40:57.636 --> 0:41:06.196 to record, and he is super I mean, he's on 0:41:06.236 --> 0:41:10.516 his own production journey and he's like doing amazing things 0:41:10.556 --> 0:41:12.636 with so many different people now. But at the time, 0:41:14.596 --> 0:41:17.356 we both like had no idea what we were doing, 0:41:17.596 --> 0:41:22.676 but like enough to get by. And I think in 0:41:22.756 --> 0:41:27.876 the beginning that originality I think partially stemmed from us 0:41:28.516 --> 0:41:36.916 having a very locked in sense of taste together combined 0:41:36.956 --> 0:41:41.236 with us sometimes not even knowing how to like execute that. 0:41:41.596 --> 0:41:45.916 So we were kind of just like freestyling and free balling, 0:41:46.516 --> 0:41:52.596 and we're creating these beats that sounded interesting and created 0:41:52.636 --> 0:41:56.316 these songs that sounded interesting and different and unique, and 0:41:56.356 --> 0:41:59.236 they were because we didn't know what the fuck we 0:41:59.316 --> 0:42:03.156 were doing, and we were kind of just like doing 0:42:03.196 --> 0:42:05.356 what we could with what we had, which at the 0:42:05.356 --> 0:42:10.076 time was like a focus right interface and like a 0:42:10.116 --> 0:42:12.636 shitty mic that I had in my room and a 0:42:12.676 --> 0:42:17.276 shitty guitar that I had just bought off of Craigslist. 0:42:17.556 --> 0:42:21.236 And is that what you did guy on? Yes? Wow? 0:42:21.436 --> 0:42:24.516 Like the first two EPs were essentially just that set up, 0:42:24.636 --> 0:42:28.796 like so bare bones in my bedroom or in like 0:42:28.876 --> 0:42:35.116 an Airbnb that Jared was staying in, And so I mean, 0:42:35.156 --> 0:42:38.796 we were just making it happen by the skin of 0:42:38.836 --> 0:42:43.356 our teeth. But we were so driven a lot with that. Yeah, 0:42:43.396 --> 0:42:46.236 we were so driven. And I think that sometimes when 0:42:46.276 --> 0:42:52.036 you have nothing, you're forced to be really creative. And 0:42:52.116 --> 0:43:00.076 I think that's kind of where my vocal harmony, layering 0:43:01.196 --> 0:43:05.876 instrumentation came from. Because we didn't have all these instruments, 0:43:05.916 --> 0:43:07.916 we didn't have a bunch of syns, and I very 0:43:07.996 --> 0:43:10.596 quickly knew that I wasn't a huge fan of like 0:43:12.556 --> 0:43:16.716 MIDI like plug in sense, Like I just never loved 0:43:16.716 --> 0:43:19.276 the vibe. And there's some songs in the early days 0:43:19.276 --> 0:43:23.156 where we were using like ominosphere or something like that. 0:43:23.796 --> 0:43:26.476 I was always was kind of of this mindset of 0:43:26.516 --> 0:43:31.996 wanting to create everything ourselves, like all the sounds at least, 0:43:32.956 --> 0:43:36.236 which kind of led me to create this really intricate 0:43:36.396 --> 0:43:42.716 and detailed vocal style where I was building essentially an 0:43:42.716 --> 0:43:47.996 instrument out of my layering my voice, which I think 0:43:48.036 --> 0:43:53.476 what made my early shit sound really different from a 0:43:53.516 --> 0:43:56.836 lot of other stuff was that, like I was really 0:43:56.876 --> 0:44:03.876 reliant on harmonies and almost making my vocals sound like 0:44:03.916 --> 0:44:06.076 a synthesizer in their own. 0:44:05.996 --> 0:44:09.036 Right is a particular way you learned to do that. 0:44:09.796 --> 0:44:13.276 We were just experimenting, like truly, there was nothing that 0:44:13.316 --> 0:44:15.436 we were really basing it off of. I think I've 0:44:15.476 --> 0:44:20.516 always been a huge lover of harmonies, and I think 0:44:20.556 --> 0:44:23.916 we figured out that layering my voice on top of 0:44:23.956 --> 0:44:30.156 itself sounded cool because there's something about, uh, I have 0:44:30.196 --> 0:44:34.156 a really kind of piercing tone, Like it's it's very 0:44:35.756 --> 0:44:36.796 it's it's strong. 0:44:36.956 --> 0:44:38.316 You have a strong voice for sure. 0:44:38.516 --> 0:44:41.636 Yeah, it's strong, and so when you layer it it 0:44:41.876 --> 0:44:45.556 sounds almost like an organ or something. It's so it's 0:44:45.596 --> 0:44:49.516 like has that kind of honkiness that an organ would have, 0:44:50.076 --> 0:44:51.716 and I think we just kind of leaned into that. 0:44:52.036 --> 0:44:55.116 So yeah, a lot of those those og tunes we 0:44:55.116 --> 0:44:57.516 were just it was so bare bones, and I think 0:44:57.556 --> 0:45:00.516 that is what made it so that we had to 0:45:00.516 --> 0:45:03.036 be so creative and innovate cool. 0:45:03.476 --> 0:45:05.316 I mean, one of the things too, that's really interesting 0:45:05.316 --> 0:45:08.036 about it is like it doesn't sound like it definitely 0:45:08.036 --> 0:45:11.196 doesn't sound like it comes out out of because it's 0:45:12.516 --> 0:45:15.396 i think lyrically in the forms and everything you're doing, 0:45:15.596 --> 0:45:18.316 and like the way it's arranged or so unique, it 0:45:18.316 --> 0:45:23.156 doesn't really sound like it shares a relationship with pop music. 0:45:23.236 --> 0:45:26.036 But then you also do borrow some like you have 0:45:26.556 --> 0:45:29.876 hooks that are just like sound like insanely ridiculous pop books, 0:45:29.916 --> 0:45:31.876 you know whatever, you're able to like kind of like 0:45:31.956 --> 0:45:33.716 blend so much stuff. 0:45:34.396 --> 0:45:35.556 Yeah, thank you. 0:45:35.636 --> 0:45:37.716 Yeah, I think it does sound like maybe at some 0:45:37.796 --> 0:45:41.596 point in that four year sort of you know where 0:45:41.596 --> 0:45:45.196 you're just were simmering, like I. 0:45:45.116 --> 0:45:47.436 Don't know, you picked up some pop sensibilities too. 0:45:47.316 --> 0:45:49.516 You know, Like yeah, I mean I've always. I mean 0:45:49.556 --> 0:45:55.396 I've always loved pop. I mean I loved old pop, 0:45:56.116 --> 0:46:03.156 you know, seventies pop, sixties pop, uh, nineties pop, which 0:46:03.276 --> 0:46:12.996 was grunge. I think I've always loved big hooks, catchy songs, 0:46:13.836 --> 0:46:18.156 and I think I've always gravitated towards towards music that 0:46:18.276 --> 0:46:21.436 like can stand the test of time in that way 0:46:21.556 --> 0:46:23.556 just by like being a great song or a great 0:46:23.556 --> 0:46:26.836 melody or like a great vibe. 0:46:27.156 --> 0:46:30.276 What are the songs for you that are like the 0:46:30.316 --> 0:46:31.196 holy grail of that? 0:46:32.836 --> 0:46:38.836 Oh my god, oh god, let's see holy grail of 0:46:38.876 --> 0:46:45.836 a great vibe? Yes, I love Sugar by Chaka Khan, which. 0:46:45.716 --> 0:46:47.596 Is also seen in Chaka Kan on the Way Here. 0:46:47.636 --> 0:46:53.556 But Shaka is she's like one of my biggest inspirations. 0:46:53.596 --> 0:46:57.516 She's amazing because she's like a belter singer who's like 0:46:57.836 --> 0:47:05.916 very free and smoke cigarettes and but is just is 0:47:06.076 --> 0:47:11.756 so incredible at her instrument, but it's also an incredible improviser. 0:47:11.796 --> 0:47:14.676 And you can like really tell in her music that 0:47:14.716 --> 0:47:18.796 she is like living yeah and having fun yeah, and 0:47:18.956 --> 0:47:23.796 it's like coming out of her naturally. And so I've 0:47:23.836 --> 0:47:26.556 always been like really really inspired by. 0:47:26.396 --> 0:47:28.476 Her, even when she I was listening like coming up here. 0:47:28.556 --> 0:47:31.596 A song called actually was inspired. I was listening to 0:47:31.796 --> 0:47:34.156 frog Rock and I was listened. I listened to this 0:47:34.276 --> 0:47:36.236 like I love the sense soul on that. So then 0:47:36.236 --> 0:47:37.796 I went to photo ID, which has a great Sin 0:47:37.876 --> 0:47:40.316 solo and then made me think of a great I'm 0:47:40.356 --> 0:47:43.116 incidentally wearing a great Herbie since solo on a Shaka 0:47:43.196 --> 0:47:46.156 song M called the Melody lingers On. 0:47:46.836 --> 0:47:48.796 And now I was like, the fuck who sings jazz 0:47:48.876 --> 0:47:49.076 like this? 0:47:49.196 --> 0:47:52.756 Like it was such like like like like it's just 0:47:52.796 --> 0:47:55.036 she makes it sound so fun and like no one 0:47:55.316 --> 0:47:58.716 brings that to that tradition you know these days in 0:47:59.156 --> 0:48:01.956 my view, you know, like that level of fun that 0:48:01.996 --> 0:48:02.796 she brings to it. 0:48:02.996 --> 0:48:05.316 I agree. I mean she's like a funk She's like 0:48:05.356 --> 0:48:08.756 a funk machine. Like she's like the Lady funk machine. 0:48:08.756 --> 0:48:12.716 And I really love her. Got a chance to holler 0:48:12.956 --> 0:48:19.436 yet or no no, uh not not really. I maybe 0:48:19.476 --> 0:48:21.756 I should try a little bit harder to make the connect. 0:48:21.796 --> 0:48:24.636 But when I was at school, she actually came through 0:48:25.676 --> 0:48:29.076 my freshman year maybe and she was We had this 0:48:29.116 --> 0:48:33.356 class called pop Forum. It was every Friday for two 0:48:33.436 --> 0:48:35.316 hours and essentially they would just like bring in an 0:48:35.356 --> 0:48:41.476 industry professional and they would either get interviewed or something 0:48:41.756 --> 0:48:45.556 of the sort. And Shaka came and they selected for 0:48:46.196 --> 0:48:50.556 singers to sing Shaka songs for her, and I was 0:48:50.556 --> 0:48:54.356 not selected, but I I was like sitting very close 0:48:54.396 --> 0:48:58.636 to her and she was so so incredible and so kind, 0:48:58.716 --> 0:49:00.836 and I remember at the end she got up and saying, 0:49:00.876 --> 0:49:05.356 tell me something good. And it was the most mind 0:49:05.356 --> 0:49:07.996 blowing fucking performance I'd ever seen in my life. She 0:49:08.276 --> 0:49:17.316 like was just so relaxed and just soaring. I I mean, 0:49:17.356 --> 0:49:20.876 I was just like completely taken by her. Yeah, she's 0:49:20.996 --> 0:49:23.316 like a powerful, powerful lady. 0:49:23.396 --> 0:49:24.996 That's a that's a hard song to do like a 0:49:25.036 --> 0:49:26.916 cappella too, because oh my. 0:49:26.956 --> 0:49:29.956 God, I mean it's just her songs are so challenging 0:49:29.996 --> 0:49:32.236 to sing. She's an incredible singer, Like what the hell? 0:49:33.756 --> 0:49:39.156 Yeah, Shaka's insane man and Rufus too, Rufus and the 0:49:39.196 --> 0:49:42.836 solo stuff. I guess it may Oh you know, it's 0:49:42.876 --> 0:49:45.796 thinking about Shack. I'm thinking about Prince and your song. 0:49:45.836 --> 0:49:47.236 You have a song on here called. 0:49:48.156 --> 0:49:51.516 Cream and Cherry's and Cream, which. 0:49:52.916 --> 0:49:55.956 Made me listening to us like not since Prince, like 0:49:55.956 --> 0:49:58.636 like ballad at Dorothy Parker has like a cheating song. 0:49:59.076 --> 0:50:03.356 It's so incredible, like sounds so fucking ent. It's like, 0:50:03.436 --> 0:50:03.956 what is it? 0:50:04.556 --> 0:50:04.916 Thank you? 0:50:05.116 --> 0:50:06.756 Yeah, which I assume that's what about. I don't know that. 0:50:06.796 --> 0:50:12.716 It is so spot on, it's it's like my Mistress song. Yeah, 0:50:12.876 --> 0:50:16.596 thank you for saying that. That song was really kind 0:50:16.636 --> 0:50:21.436 of a magnum opus of mine and like getting it. 0:50:22.156 --> 0:50:26.756 We just wanted it to be kind of this psychedelic 0:50:28.396 --> 0:50:32.356 dream movie of like I wanted it to completely take 0:50:32.396 --> 0:50:35.996 you to a different world sonically, and we spent so 0:50:36.196 --> 0:50:40.796 long like crafting every single little detail in that tune. 0:50:40.956 --> 0:50:43.716 I mean for that song, I was really I was, 0:50:44.076 --> 0:50:50.316 I mean lyrically very inspired by uh, Mistress Vibes that 0:50:50.356 --> 0:50:59.276 I've Yeah, that's one of my friends, Mistress Vibes star. No, 0:50:59.316 --> 0:51:01.916 I mean I've you know, I've had experiences in my 0:51:01.956 --> 0:51:05.436 life that have been slightly unpleasant in that realm of 0:51:05.476 --> 0:51:08.356 which I won't go into here. But the first part 0:51:08.396 --> 0:51:11.956 of that song that I had was the the pre chorus, 0:51:11.996 --> 0:51:16.116 which goes, is it wrong, Oh fearful in this like 0:51:16.196 --> 0:51:22.956 kind of deep like like god godly or not just 0:51:23.036 --> 0:51:28.796 like deep kind of scary wizard god type, like a yeah, 0:51:28.956 --> 0:51:32.716 operatic wizard in the sky, and that kind of took 0:51:32.756 --> 0:51:35.436 me on this journey of really trying to get in 0:51:35.516 --> 0:51:40.636 the mind of like led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd and 0:51:40.676 --> 0:51:45.756 like kind of where where they were writing from in Yeah, 0:51:45.756 --> 0:51:48.716 I mean they loved Lord of the Rings and they liked, 0:51:50.076 --> 0:51:54.876 you know, I mythology, Yeah, mythology like that. So I 0:51:54.996 --> 0:51:58.676 kind of when I went back in to write the verses, 0:51:58.716 --> 0:52:00.876 which was a while later, which is actually not a 0:52:00.916 --> 0:52:04.156 typical process for me. Normally, I write the whole song 0:52:04.516 --> 0:52:07.516 first day and it's that's kind of set in stone, 0:52:07.556 --> 0:52:09.716 and then we kind of go back in and finalized 0:52:09.756 --> 0:52:12.516 production stuff. But for this song, it kind of it 0:52:12.556 --> 0:52:14.556 took it was a journey to kind of get everything 0:52:14.556 --> 0:52:18.956 to walk together. But I don't know, like in the verses, 0:52:18.996 --> 0:52:21.796 I'm like you fly morning dove way above my terrain, 0:52:21.876 --> 0:52:23.596 And I was kind of just trying to think about, like, 0:52:24.396 --> 0:52:27.356 you know, what would what would led Zeppelin's talk about 0:52:27.556 --> 0:52:31.236 or how would they talk about this, how would they 0:52:31.236 --> 0:52:38.436 talk about this these mistress vibes in their in their terminology, 0:52:38.516 --> 0:52:40.236 And I kind of was just like, all right, I'm 0:52:40.236 --> 0:52:47.156 gonna talk about expansive like nature metaphors. So yeah, that 0:52:47.236 --> 0:52:50.716 song is me really trying to tap into some like 0:52:51.836 --> 0:52:54.396 staple psychedelia. 0:52:54.636 --> 0:52:57.276 That's funny because I guess, I guess, I mean, I guess. 0:52:57.316 --> 0:53:00.116 Robert Plant wrote about that from the opposite perspous thing 0:53:00.156 --> 0:53:03.036 about like since I've been loving you, he goes open 0:53:03.076 --> 0:53:05.156 my front door or my back door slam must be 0:53:05.196 --> 0:53:06.796 one of those new fangled back door man. 0:53:07.356 --> 0:53:10.116 He's like talking to this lady. Oh my god, he's 0:53:10.156 --> 0:53:11.076 just more directive about it. 0:53:11.276 --> 0:53:13.996 Yeah. I was a little bit more uh more heady. 0:53:14.996 --> 0:53:18.156 Yeah, yeah, yeah, the more. But it's a great it's 0:53:18.196 --> 0:53:18.836 a cool song. 0:53:19.036 --> 0:53:20.916 You know, when it took me if you listened before, 0:53:21.076 --> 0:53:23.356 like I wasn't really don't really listen for lyrics all 0:53:23.396 --> 0:53:25.316 that much. So after if he listens, I started hearing 0:53:25.316 --> 0:53:27.196 the lyrics, I was like, oh, ship, yeah. 0:53:27.836 --> 0:53:31.196 It's it's a it's a bold choice, Yes it is. 0:53:31.316 --> 0:53:32.476 Has I gotten you in trouble? 0:53:32.716 --> 0:53:41.156 Like, no, not yet. I'm very conscious of that. I'm 0:53:41.236 --> 0:53:49.396 really conscious of not speaking about anything or anybody in 0:53:49.436 --> 0:53:51.636 a way that's going to piss them off, especially if 0:53:51.676 --> 0:53:53.316 there are people in my life that are close to 0:53:53.356 --> 0:53:57.516 me and still there and that I love and I 0:53:57.956 --> 0:54:00.916 mean I mean a lot of times, you know, I'm 0:54:00.956 --> 0:54:08.116 writing about romantic relationships sometimes friendships. I'm like a really 0:54:09.196 --> 0:54:12.036 strong believer in being friends with your exes. So I'm 0:54:12.076 --> 0:54:14.196 like friends with all of my exes, like they're all 0:54:14.236 --> 0:54:15.556 around or like part of the fan. 0:54:15.876 --> 0:54:17.556 What does that do for you? What is that? Like? 0:54:17.596 --> 0:54:19.676 What's the philosophy behind it? 0:54:20.836 --> 0:54:25.196 I just I there's a reason that I was with them, 0:54:26.036 --> 0:54:30.436 with all of them, and I mean a lot of 0:54:30.476 --> 0:54:35.036 them are friends with my friends, and I to me, 0:54:35.276 --> 0:54:39.556 there's no reason unless something really really bad happened. There's 0:54:39.596 --> 0:54:42.796 like no reason for like a long term animosity to 0:54:42.916 --> 0:54:45.956 like ruin you know, the piece between the larger friend 0:54:45.996 --> 0:54:49.036 group and just like I don't have to avoid someone. 0:54:49.116 --> 0:54:51.636 I'd rather just put our ship in the past and 0:54:51.716 --> 0:54:57.036 be able to like be homies. And I've been able to, 0:54:57.436 --> 0:55:04.676 you know, do that. And with most of them, there's 0:55:04.676 --> 0:55:08.116 a couple that, you know, are exceptions. Yeah, there's some 0:55:08.276 --> 0:55:11.956 that are out of my life life, probably for good. 0:55:12.236 --> 0:55:16.716 But that's it's a that's a complex it's a complex thing. 0:55:16.836 --> 0:55:19.596 It's a complex thing to be writing about people in 0:55:19.596 --> 0:55:23.436 your life or experience that you've experiences that you've gone through, 0:55:26.956 --> 0:55:29.436 and there's a balance there. 0:55:29.996 --> 0:55:33.556 Yeah, Yeah, which I guess maybe we should return then 0:55:33.636 --> 0:55:39.436 to Toro and Alone in Miami. Not necessarily with those 0:55:39.916 --> 0:55:43.876 who that's about or anything, but obviously very personal experience 0:55:43.996 --> 0:55:46.316 is how do you And there's a lot of like 0:55:46.596 --> 0:55:50.636 intricate detail in Alone in Miami, like the the hula 0:55:50.716 --> 0:55:52.476 girl on the dash or what you know, or I 0:55:52.556 --> 0:55:54.196 assume it was on the dash because you said you're 0:55:54.196 --> 0:55:54.876 in an uber. 0:55:57.436 --> 0:55:58.836 Did you? 0:55:58.956 --> 0:56:00.756 Yeah? I wasn't an uber? 0:56:01.596 --> 0:56:02.356 Did you say that? 0:56:02.556 --> 0:56:05.996 No, s okay ship, But you give so many details 0:56:05.996 --> 0:56:07.756 in the song that I did start to like you 0:56:07.876 --> 0:56:09.676 picture it. I start to pick sure, I guess it 0:56:09.756 --> 0:56:12.756 painted an accurate picture for me. Yeah, but like, did 0:56:12.796 --> 0:56:14.796 you just remember like when you wrote this, were you 0:56:14.876 --> 0:56:16.596 in that moment being like, I'm gonna write a song 0:56:16.636 --> 0:56:18.956 about this, and theref I'm gonna remember this feels like 0:56:18.996 --> 0:56:21.276 a moment that's potent in some way, and so therefo 0:56:21.276 --> 0:56:23.156 I'm gonna remember the details and write about it, or. 0:56:23.196 --> 0:56:24.996 Because how the fuck did you remember all that stuff? 0:56:25.156 --> 0:56:26.676 There's so many random details. 0:56:26.796 --> 0:56:29.796 I know. I think that the week that I was 0:56:29.836 --> 0:56:35.396 in Miami was just honestly like this wild life changing 0:56:35.436 --> 0:56:37.796 experience for me, just in the sense that it was 0:56:37.876 --> 0:56:42.316 so it was so memorable because it was it was 0:56:42.436 --> 0:56:44.436 out of a fever dream. I don't know if you've 0:56:44.476 --> 0:56:46.556 been you've probably been to Miami. Have you been there? 0:56:47.116 --> 0:56:48.596 Just there for the first time in a long time 0:56:48.636 --> 0:56:50.676 in October, and it was like in and out and 0:56:51.116 --> 0:56:52.476 it was just it wasn't It wasn't for me. 0:56:52.676 --> 0:56:55.756 But yeah, I mean, it's it's it's a wild place. 0:56:55.796 --> 0:56:58.476 And I was there for Art Basil, and Art Basil 0:56:58.596 --> 0:57:01.116 is you know this. It's like this art festival where 0:57:01.156 --> 0:57:03.596 people come in from all around the world and there's 0:57:03.716 --> 0:57:07.636 art galleries all around the city. Even more importantly than that, 0:57:07.676 --> 0:57:11.956 there's crazy parties all around the city and almost every 0:57:11.956 --> 0:57:16.276 building there's like fashion parties, art parties, brand parties. Like 0:57:16.316 --> 0:57:19.276 everybody's hosting a party and they're all nuts and everybody 0:57:19.476 --> 0:57:25.396 has alcohol, cocaine, powdered substances. 0:57:25.676 --> 0:57:26.076 Miami. 0:57:26.716 --> 0:57:28.956 Yeah, it's Miami, I mean, and I'd never been and 0:57:28.996 --> 0:57:32.316 I was there by myself, and I was there to 0:57:32.396 --> 0:57:39.396 attend a Playboy party. I was there for Playboys and 0:57:39.716 --> 0:57:45.756 I went there four days early, which I formed to attend. Yeah, 0:57:46.236 --> 0:57:50.716 it's like just to hang and so I went there. 0:57:50.756 --> 0:57:54.876 I was flying from London to I flew from London, 0:57:54.956 --> 0:57:58.796 and I was in London for about three weeks because 0:57:59.636 --> 0:58:02.516 I was there on tour, and the tour ended up 0:58:02.516 --> 0:58:05.036 getting canceled because of COVID and I couldn't come home 0:58:05.116 --> 0:58:06.916 because of COVID, so I was just there for a 0:58:06.956 --> 0:58:11.036 long time. And then I flew into Miami and I 0:58:11.156 --> 0:58:16.116 just had these four days alone meeting all these new people, 0:58:16.996 --> 0:58:23.316 doing drugs, eating kubanos, being really existential, like on the 0:58:23.356 --> 0:58:25.756 beach by myself, listening to Liz Fair. 0:58:25.916 --> 0:58:26.036 Like. 0:58:26.116 --> 0:58:29.036 I remember everything so vividly from that trip. I don't 0:58:29.076 --> 0:58:34.316 know why. It just was like so crazy wow, and 0:58:34.476 --> 0:58:36.476 I'd know. I mean, at the end of the trip, 0:58:36.516 --> 0:58:39.036 I had no I wasn't like, oh, this needs to 0:58:39.076 --> 0:58:39.596 be a song. 0:58:39.676 --> 0:58:42.476 But so like two years later, when you're writing it, 0:58:42.516 --> 0:58:44.876 you just remembered, like all of that just came flooding. 0:58:45.076 --> 0:58:47.516 But I think I wrote it maybe four months later, 0:58:47.716 --> 0:58:50.716 maybe five months later, okay, And I remember it was 0:58:50.756 --> 0:58:53.236 with Jack and Eaton, and I remember the first thing 0:58:53.276 --> 0:58:55.276 that I sang. I started playing these chords, and I 0:58:55.276 --> 0:58:57.836 think the first thing that I said sang was alone 0:58:57.876 --> 0:59:00.676 in Miami with you there, and then I was like, wait, 0:59:00.716 --> 0:59:03.996 we should write a song about my Miami trip. And 0:59:04.036 --> 0:59:08.436 then essentially I was just telling them. I essentially told 0:59:08.436 --> 0:59:11.316 them what I just told you, and I was just 0:59:11.356 --> 0:59:14.436 telling them all the details of what happened. And at 0:59:14.436 --> 0:59:16.916 a certain point, I was just like, wait, we literally 0:59:16.996 --> 0:59:20.596 don't need to do anything except for tell exactly the 0:59:20.676 --> 0:59:22.756 story of like what happened there, Like, we don't need 0:59:22.796 --> 0:59:25.676 to make up anything, Like there's nothing that even needs 0:59:25.676 --> 0:59:28.916 to be embellished. So essentially that's what we did. Yeah, 0:59:29.116 --> 0:59:31.916 the song was was written, it was written for it 0:59:32.436 --> 0:59:33.436 essentially wrote itself. 0:59:33.756 --> 0:59:35.476 It's one of my favorite songs on the album. So 0:59:35.636 --> 0:59:40.476 thank you. Glad you made that call. Glad you ended 0:59:40.556 --> 0:59:41.436 up in Miami too. 0:59:41.516 --> 0:59:45.756 Me too. Yeah, I mean that's a crazy trip. 0:59:47.076 --> 0:59:50.436 Anyway, Congratulations on your album. 0:59:50.476 --> 0:59:52.876 It's really good. Thank you. 0:59:53.996 --> 0:59:56.156 I'm glad I got to spend the last couple of 0:59:56.196 --> 0:59:58.596 weeks with it. It's been fun listening. Yeah, I'm glad 0:59:58.596 --> 0:59:59.716 we got a chance to talk about it. 0:59:59.956 --> 1:00:03.156 Yeah, me too. Thanks for thanks for sitting down with me. 1:00:06.036 --> 1:00:07.836 Thanks so much, Remy Wolf for talking to me about 1:00:07.836 --> 1:00:10.956 getting her start and about our new album, Big Ideas. 1:00:11.436 --> 1:00:13.516 Be sure to check out the video of today's episode 1:00:13.596 --> 1:00:16.796 at YouTube dot com. 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