1 00:00:15,476 --> 00:00:15,956 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:20,316 --> 00:00:23,196 Speaker 2: Singer songwriter Remy Wolf burst out of the pandemic like 3 00:00:23,316 --> 00:00:26,396 Speaker 2: a ray of light, spreading joy with her infectious production, 4 00:00:26,596 --> 00:00:30,556 Speaker 2: capricious outlook, and jaunty hooks. She appeared to come to 5 00:00:30,636 --> 00:00:33,356 Speaker 2: us fully formed, but Remy's been working hard on her 6 00:00:33,356 --> 00:00:36,956 Speaker 2: craft for the last decade. She started regularly performing with 7 00:00:37,036 --> 00:00:40,076 Speaker 2: local bands around the Bay Area during high school. She 8 00:00:40,116 --> 00:00:42,436 Speaker 2: even tried out for American Idol at seventeen years old, 9 00:00:42,476 --> 00:00:46,356 Speaker 2: singing Marvin Gays, Let's get it on to j LO. Eventually, 10 00:00:46,396 --> 00:00:48,796 Speaker 2: she wound up studying music in La at usc where 11 00:00:48,796 --> 00:00:51,476 Speaker 2: she met many of the people she still collaborates with 12 00:00:51,636 --> 00:00:55,036 Speaker 2: to this day. On today's Broken Record, Remy Wolf discusses 13 00:00:55,076 --> 00:00:58,236 Speaker 2: finding her musical footing in Los Angeles, walks us through 14 00:00:58,236 --> 00:01:00,756 Speaker 2: the writing of her new album, Big Ideas, and talks 15 00:01:00,796 --> 00:01:03,916 Speaker 2: about her summer experience opening up for Oliver Yar Rodrigo 16 00:01:04,156 --> 00:01:09,956 Speaker 2: in Europe. This is Broken Record Liner notes to the 17 00:01:09,996 --> 00:01:10,716 Speaker 2: digital Age. 18 00:01:10,916 --> 00:01:11,836 Speaker 1: I'm justin Mitchmill. 19 00:01:12,716 --> 00:01:15,876 Speaker 2: Here's my conversation with Remy Wolf. To see the video 20 00:01:15,916 --> 00:01:18,556 Speaker 2: of this podcast, head over to YouTube dot com slash 21 00:01:18,636 --> 00:01:20,956 Speaker 2: Broken Record Podcast. 22 00:01:21,316 --> 00:01:23,676 Speaker 1: I love the Toro hat. Oh yeah, thank you, one 23 00:01:23,716 --> 00:01:24,716 Speaker 1: of my favorite. 24 00:01:24,316 --> 00:01:28,316 Speaker 2: Songs on your album's Toro Toro into Alone in Miami. 25 00:01:28,516 --> 00:01:29,516 Speaker 2: It's a great combo. 26 00:01:29,796 --> 00:01:32,436 Speaker 3: Yes, the twins eternal twins. 27 00:01:32,596 --> 00:01:33,876 Speaker 1: Is that how you think about them? 28 00:01:34,236 --> 00:01:38,676 Speaker 3: Yeah, They're like there were birds from the same egg 29 00:01:39,756 --> 00:01:48,076 Speaker 3: to me, really yeah, but different sperm. 30 00:01:45,116 --> 00:01:48,316 Speaker 1: The same all right, that's that's twins. You're right, twins, 31 00:01:48,356 --> 00:01:50,996 Speaker 1: that's genius. Okay, what what makes them? 32 00:01:51,236 --> 00:01:53,716 Speaker 3: Or maybe it's two eggs and then two different spirms. 33 00:01:53,756 --> 00:01:55,116 Speaker 1: Not that's not think too deeply. 34 00:01:55,476 --> 00:01:55,956 Speaker 3: Not prepared. 35 00:01:56,596 --> 00:02:00,076 Speaker 2: I'm not a scientist to figure that out. 36 00:02:00,356 --> 00:02:02,596 Speaker 1: What those are the earliest songs you. 37 00:02:02,516 --> 00:02:07,716 Speaker 3: Wrote, Yeah, those were written in kind of the first 38 00:02:07,756 --> 00:02:12,476 Speaker 3: couple of sessions I did for the album back in 39 00:02:12,516 --> 00:02:16,036 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two with my friend Jack de Mayo and 40 00:02:16,036 --> 00:02:22,116 Speaker 3: my friend Ethan Gruska up in mantrase, Los Angeles. Yeah. 41 00:02:22,276 --> 00:02:25,316 Speaker 2: Was it a writing session specifically for a new album 42 00:02:25,556 --> 00:02:27,596 Speaker 2: or just yeah? 43 00:02:27,716 --> 00:02:33,276 Speaker 3: I mean I knew that coming out of my first album, 44 00:02:33,756 --> 00:02:36,676 Speaker 3: I wanted to make a second one, being on a 45 00:02:36,716 --> 00:02:41,036 Speaker 3: major label and everything, but but I didn't really know, 46 00:02:42,756 --> 00:02:47,676 Speaker 3: like exactly how it would come together. And those sessions 47 00:02:47,676 --> 00:02:49,996 Speaker 3: with Ethan and Jack were kind of the beginning of 48 00:02:50,076 --> 00:02:57,396 Speaker 3: the exploration of kind of the sonic and storytelling identity 49 00:02:57,436 --> 00:03:03,596 Speaker 3: of this album, I guess, yeah. We wrote. We us 50 00:03:03,596 --> 00:03:09,356 Speaker 3: two wrote together for like two weeks in total, but 51 00:03:09,356 --> 00:03:11,796 Speaker 3: they were separated by a couple months, and I think 52 00:03:11,836 --> 00:03:16,436 Speaker 3: within those two weeks we wrote like fifteen or sixteen songs, 53 00:03:16,436 --> 00:03:18,156 Speaker 3: so we kind of like, really were. 54 00:03:18,396 --> 00:03:20,076 Speaker 1: What songs that made the album come out? 55 00:03:20,076 --> 00:03:24,916 Speaker 3: Of those Toro Alone in Miami and uh, frog Rock. 56 00:03:25,236 --> 00:03:27,396 Speaker 1: I Love I fucking love frog Rock. 57 00:03:27,516 --> 00:03:29,716 Speaker 3: Yeah, the frog Rock's fun. Yeah, that was the first 58 00:03:29,716 --> 00:03:33,116 Speaker 3: song we actually wrote of all of those days. That 59 00:03:33,156 --> 00:03:36,756 Speaker 3: was the first song of all of them, which was cool. 60 00:03:36,836 --> 00:03:38,836 Speaker 1: Did you complete it that day or that in that 61 00:03:38,876 --> 00:03:40,476 Speaker 1: in those sessions of two weeks? 62 00:03:40,836 --> 00:03:46,316 Speaker 3: Uh, the song was like written. We went back and produced, 63 00:03:46,836 --> 00:03:48,796 Speaker 3: produced it out a little more and kind of got 64 00:03:48,836 --> 00:03:52,196 Speaker 3: a little bit deeper with the production almost a year 65 00:03:52,316 --> 00:03:59,876 Speaker 3: later probably, but yeah, that song the Yeah, the identity 66 00:04:00,276 --> 00:04:04,236 Speaker 3: of that song was kind of created in the first day. 67 00:04:04,276 --> 00:04:09,116 Speaker 3: Pretty much. Toro and Alone in Miami were both alone, 68 00:04:09,156 --> 00:04:14,156 Speaker 3: little different. We wrote both of those on acoustic guitar, 69 00:04:14,956 --> 00:04:18,156 Speaker 3: and we like recorded the demos on acoustic guitar and 70 00:04:18,196 --> 00:04:22,396 Speaker 3: then came back a while later and kind of reopened 71 00:04:22,396 --> 00:04:24,876 Speaker 3: them and built them out a little bit more from there. 72 00:04:25,636 --> 00:04:29,596 Speaker 3: Toro is an entirely different song than what it first 73 00:04:29,836 --> 00:04:32,436 Speaker 3: or like, it sounds just so wildly different. 74 00:04:32,516 --> 00:04:34,876 Speaker 1: It was just think there's any guitar on it, acoustic 75 00:04:34,876 --> 00:04:36,116 Speaker 1: guitar really right, even. 76 00:04:35,996 --> 00:04:38,476 Speaker 3: In the there's no acoustic guitar. It's kind of all 77 00:04:38,556 --> 00:04:43,596 Speaker 3: like little funky electric licks and stuff like that. Really 78 00:04:43,596 --> 00:04:48,116 Speaker 3: bass heavy. Now. At first, it was just kind of 79 00:04:48,116 --> 00:04:54,636 Speaker 3: this like almost motowny acoustic guitar song. I remember going 80 00:04:54,636 --> 00:04:57,756 Speaker 3: into the songwriting of that one. I was like, I 81 00:04:57,836 --> 00:05:01,516 Speaker 3: really wanted to write something that felt like Motown, which 82 00:05:01,596 --> 00:05:06,116 Speaker 3: is so interesting that it's now Toro because it's it's 83 00:05:06,156 --> 00:05:09,156 Speaker 3: a it's sonically, I mean definitely not most. 84 00:05:09,596 --> 00:05:12,996 Speaker 2: Step and I don't think by the way, it's a 85 00:05:12,996 --> 00:05:14,036 Speaker 2: little different than My Girl. 86 00:05:15,276 --> 00:05:17,756 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, in terms of the content or whatever. 87 00:05:17,916 --> 00:05:21,756 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, there were there is some Motown 88 00:05:21,796 --> 00:05:26,076 Speaker 3: has some sexual innuendos going on up in those songs. 89 00:05:26,196 --> 00:05:28,196 Speaker 3: Maybe they're a little bit more hidden than mine. I 90 00:05:28,196 --> 00:05:28,796 Speaker 3: don't know I. 91 00:05:29,196 --> 00:05:34,116 Speaker 2: Think of which ones, you know, yeah, probably some Marvin somewhere. 92 00:05:34,756 --> 00:05:36,636 Speaker 2: Sure there was some. 93 00:05:39,196 --> 00:05:42,636 Speaker 3: Sugar Pie Honey Bunch. Sugar Pie Honey Bunch. I think 94 00:05:42,636 --> 00:05:47,876 Speaker 3: it's just me, but yeah, it. 95 00:05:47,876 --> 00:05:49,836 Speaker 1: Could be, though I see what you mean. I see 96 00:05:49,836 --> 00:05:51,756 Speaker 1: what you mean, like that could be, But I don't. 97 00:05:51,796 --> 00:05:53,596 Speaker 1: I think it was more. I think it's more innocent 98 00:05:53,956 --> 00:05:55,636 Speaker 1: than that. What made you? 99 00:05:55,716 --> 00:05:59,276 Speaker 2: What made you want to that particular day? What made 100 00:05:59,316 --> 00:06:02,956 Speaker 2: you want to write a motown sounding song? 101 00:06:04,116 --> 00:06:06,756 Speaker 3: I have no idea. I couldn't tell you. 102 00:06:06,956 --> 00:06:08,436 Speaker 1: Is it a catalog you listened. 103 00:06:08,156 --> 00:06:14,396 Speaker 3: To a lot sometimes? I mean, like the classics I 104 00:06:14,436 --> 00:06:17,436 Speaker 3: feel like are on my shuffle, you know, in my 105 00:06:18,076 --> 00:06:21,596 Speaker 3: in my library. But I don't know. I think I 106 00:06:21,676 --> 00:06:25,236 Speaker 3: just wanted I think we I think we were writing 107 00:06:25,276 --> 00:06:29,756 Speaker 3: a lot of kind of folk rock stuff that week, 108 00:06:29,836 --> 00:06:31,596 Speaker 3: and I kind of wanted to just change it up. 109 00:06:31,836 --> 00:06:36,036 Speaker 3: And I guess when when I was in college, I 110 00:06:36,076 --> 00:06:39,516 Speaker 3: went to USC Thrton School Music, and part of our 111 00:06:41,996 --> 00:06:47,956 Speaker 3: curriculum was we spent almost a full semester on motown 112 00:06:48,436 --> 00:06:52,556 Speaker 3: wow and like learning those songs front to back, like 113 00:06:53,436 --> 00:06:59,556 Speaker 3: replicating them essentially in our performance class. So i'd I'd 114 00:06:59,596 --> 00:07:02,836 Speaker 3: had a lot of experience kind of getting inside those songs, 115 00:07:02,956 --> 00:07:07,236 Speaker 3: and I hadn't done that for a while. But Jack, 116 00:07:07,956 --> 00:07:10,476 Speaker 3: my friend that I was writing with, went to school 117 00:07:10,556 --> 00:07:14,396 Speaker 3: with me, so we both kind of had that repertoire 118 00:07:14,716 --> 00:07:17,316 Speaker 3: like within us, and I think that I was kind 119 00:07:17,356 --> 00:07:20,956 Speaker 3: of just like, we should do something that is kind 120 00:07:20,996 --> 00:07:24,876 Speaker 3: of a throwback to Motown, throwback to like that time 121 00:07:25,516 --> 00:07:29,156 Speaker 3: that we spent together in school almost. I mean, I 122 00:07:29,156 --> 00:07:32,076 Speaker 3: don't know, I said it on a whim and we 123 00:07:32,156 --> 00:07:34,036 Speaker 3: kind of just rolled ran with it. 124 00:07:34,116 --> 00:07:36,956 Speaker 1: But and the demo does sound like maybe closer to. 125 00:07:38,476 --> 00:07:42,756 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think some of the chords, you know, are 126 00:07:42,996 --> 00:07:46,156 Speaker 3: kind of two five to one chord progression in there, 127 00:07:46,156 --> 00:07:50,716 Speaker 3: which is pretty motowny and just pretty jazzy and solely. 128 00:07:51,476 --> 00:07:52,396 Speaker 1: That college education. 129 00:07:53,956 --> 00:08:00,676 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, I feel I'm so distant from it now 130 00:08:00,716 --> 00:08:02,956 Speaker 3: that like all of my knowledge is a little bit rusty. 131 00:08:02,956 --> 00:08:05,116 Speaker 3: But if you had caught me when I was like nineteen, 132 00:08:05,236 --> 00:08:07,956 Speaker 3: I could just riddle off some theory. 133 00:08:07,716 --> 00:08:09,116 Speaker 1: Intense theory, I'm sure, right. 134 00:08:09,196 --> 00:08:12,796 Speaker 3: Yeah, Now it's kind of it's kind of gone, and luckily. 135 00:08:12,516 --> 00:08:15,476 Speaker 2: I don't it's probably for the best right somewhere back there, 136 00:08:15,516 --> 00:08:17,236 Speaker 2: Like it's still there, it's still. 137 00:08:17,036 --> 00:08:21,396 Speaker 3: There, but it's it's fuzzy. And I think I always 138 00:08:21,476 --> 00:08:27,996 Speaker 3: kind of kept my like actual education at arm's length, 139 00:08:28,196 --> 00:08:32,116 Speaker 3: especially when going into you know, writing music for my 140 00:08:32,196 --> 00:08:38,476 Speaker 3: own project. It's because I like didn't want any rules 141 00:08:39,236 --> 00:08:42,596 Speaker 3: attached to what I was making, And I think school 142 00:08:42,676 --> 00:08:44,596 Speaker 3: it's really good for a lot of things, but they 143 00:08:44,636 --> 00:08:47,516 Speaker 3: do kind of you know, there there's a lot of 144 00:08:47,916 --> 00:08:51,916 Speaker 3: processes that they that they kind of instill, and some 145 00:08:51,996 --> 00:08:53,796 Speaker 3: of them are really for the best, and some of 146 00:08:53,796 --> 00:08:56,756 Speaker 3: them I think can stifle your creativity at times. So 147 00:08:56,836 --> 00:09:03,436 Speaker 3: I've I've kind of gotten to pick and choose what 148 00:09:03,436 --> 00:09:08,396 Speaker 3: what I learned from my education that really works for me. 149 00:09:08,636 --> 00:09:13,156 Speaker 2: So how many people that you collaborate with now work 150 00:09:13,196 --> 00:09:16,436 Speaker 2: with now come from your time at school at USC? 151 00:09:18,236 --> 00:09:21,596 Speaker 3: Some people, Yeah, Jack, he's a big one. Connor Malloy, 152 00:09:21,676 --> 00:09:24,516 Speaker 3: my drummer. I've been with him. He's been playing in 153 00:09:24,596 --> 00:09:28,236 Speaker 3: my band since we were in college together, so we've 154 00:09:28,236 --> 00:09:33,036 Speaker 3: been playing together for probably eight years now. I mean 155 00:09:33,076 --> 00:09:37,796 Speaker 3: a lot of my lot of my friends. My friend 156 00:09:37,916 --> 00:09:41,436 Speaker 3: Danny Fahrenbach, he plays trumpet for me. Sometimes you still 157 00:09:41,436 --> 00:09:44,556 Speaker 3: hang with a lot of people from Yeah, Yeah, yeah, Yeah. 158 00:09:44,596 --> 00:09:49,316 Speaker 3: My friend Liz, who I have famously written a song about. Yeah, 159 00:09:50,156 --> 00:09:53,236 Speaker 3: she's around, She's like one of my best friends. Yeah, 160 00:09:53,236 --> 00:09:55,916 Speaker 3: we're all kind of floating around. I feel like I've 161 00:09:57,716 --> 00:10:04,916 Speaker 3: my main collaborators musically did not go to USC with me, 162 00:10:05,236 --> 00:10:09,036 Speaker 3: but I mean Jared Solomon, who's like been my main 163 00:10:09,116 --> 00:10:12,636 Speaker 3: collaborator for a really long time high school since high school. Yeah, 164 00:10:12,756 --> 00:10:14,116 Speaker 3: I mean yeah, we met in high school. 165 00:10:14,476 --> 00:10:16,076 Speaker 1: Didn't go to the same high school as you were, 166 00:10:16,116 --> 00:10:17,516 Speaker 1: just kind of from No. 167 00:10:17,796 --> 00:10:21,516 Speaker 3: We went to the same after school music program together, 168 00:10:21,876 --> 00:10:28,996 Speaker 3: and yeah, we had like a very kismet meeting where 169 00:10:29,036 --> 00:10:32,516 Speaker 3: like we had the same instructor and one day we 170 00:10:32,516 --> 00:10:34,596 Speaker 3: were there at the same time and he threw us 171 00:10:34,676 --> 00:10:37,156 Speaker 3: both in a room and Jared was like, you know, 172 00:10:37,636 --> 00:10:40,556 Speaker 3: really good guitar player and I was a singer, and 173 00:10:40,596 --> 00:10:43,076 Speaker 3: he's like, Okay, you guys should do a cover. So 174 00:10:43,116 --> 00:10:49,476 Speaker 3: we covered Valerie the Amy Winehouse cover that she did 175 00:10:49,516 --> 00:10:54,356 Speaker 3: with Mark Ronson, and we kind of were like both 176 00:10:54,556 --> 00:10:57,276 Speaker 3: very wide eyed at each other. We were like, oh, 177 00:10:58,196 --> 00:10:59,916 Speaker 3: you're good at this, and it. 178 00:10:59,956 --> 00:11:02,676 Speaker 2: Was like you you're good at guitar, You're great at singing. 179 00:11:02,876 --> 00:11:08,396 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was like a very mutual like okay, And 180 00:11:08,436 --> 00:11:12,996 Speaker 3: I think that opened up a world for us at 181 00:11:12,996 --> 00:11:14,356 Speaker 3: the time. And then we ended up being in a 182 00:11:14,396 --> 00:11:17,996 Speaker 3: band together in high school, writing a lot. We did 183 00:11:18,036 --> 00:11:21,116 Speaker 3: like battle the bands together, We like played at bars 184 00:11:21,156 --> 00:11:28,596 Speaker 3: and restaurants and we busked together, and he ended up 185 00:11:28,596 --> 00:11:31,716 Speaker 3: going to Berkeley College of Music, and he was a 186 00:11:31,796 --> 00:11:34,876 Speaker 3: year older than me, so I he was gone and 187 00:11:34,916 --> 00:11:38,796 Speaker 3: I went to USC and then four years later we 188 00:11:38,916 --> 00:11:42,116 Speaker 3: ended up. He ended up coming through LA on a 189 00:11:42,156 --> 00:11:44,476 Speaker 3: tour that he was on with one of his friends 190 00:11:44,516 --> 00:11:47,396 Speaker 3: from school, and he ended up hitting me up to 191 00:11:47,436 --> 00:11:49,476 Speaker 3: ask if he could stay in my house for a 192 00:11:49,516 --> 00:11:52,796 Speaker 3: week and a half. And luckily, I kind of lived 193 00:11:52,836 --> 00:11:54,476 Speaker 3: in a bit of a trap house at the time, 194 00:11:54,516 --> 00:11:56,796 Speaker 3: so I was like, yeah, sure, you can, like sleep 195 00:11:56,836 --> 00:12:01,356 Speaker 3: on the couch, and he came through and then we 196 00:12:01,396 --> 00:12:03,196 Speaker 3: set up a little studio in my room and that 197 00:12:03,316 --> 00:12:07,196 Speaker 3: was kind of the beginning of us working together again. 198 00:12:07,276 --> 00:12:08,876 Speaker 3: And that kind of kicked everything off. 199 00:12:09,916 --> 00:12:12,876 Speaker 2: And was that I'm trying to because it's funny. I 200 00:12:12,916 --> 00:12:17,356 Speaker 2: was looking back first of all, Remy and Chloe. I 201 00:12:17,476 --> 00:12:19,676 Speaker 2: just discovered that like a week ago. But the cover. 202 00:12:19,876 --> 00:12:22,996 Speaker 2: I used to live in the Bay around that time, 203 00:12:23,556 --> 00:12:25,516 Speaker 2: and the cover was like a flag. 204 00:12:25,676 --> 00:12:27,276 Speaker 1: I knew. I'd seen that in a couple of places. 205 00:12:27,276 --> 00:12:28,556 Speaker 2: I don't know if I got coverage in like the 206 00:12:28,596 --> 00:12:31,316 Speaker 2: East Bay Express or the time I was working on 207 00:12:31,436 --> 00:12:33,436 Speaker 2: the Calyx the radio stations, so. 208 00:12:33,476 --> 00:12:35,036 Speaker 3: Maybe the cover of our songs. 209 00:12:35,156 --> 00:12:39,076 Speaker 1: Yeah, the cover of that r E P the EP. 210 00:12:39,596 --> 00:12:41,716 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that's so funny. 211 00:12:41,756 --> 00:12:43,636 Speaker 1: I flashed back. I was like, yo, I know this 212 00:12:43,716 --> 00:12:47,116 Speaker 1: cover from that's so wid Yeah. Yeah, I mean I 213 00:12:47,116 --> 00:12:47,796 Speaker 1: didn't realize it was. 214 00:12:48,436 --> 00:12:51,196 Speaker 3: We played. We played around the Bay area a lot, 215 00:12:51,236 --> 00:12:54,556 Speaker 3: like we played in San Francisco, we played in Oakland, 216 00:12:54,836 --> 00:12:58,596 Speaker 3: we played in Redwood City, we played in Alalto, Memo Park, 217 00:12:58,676 --> 00:13:00,276 Speaker 3: San Jose, like we were kind of. 218 00:13:00,516 --> 00:13:02,076 Speaker 1: Probably saw in Oakland or somewhere. 219 00:13:02,156 --> 00:13:04,516 Speaker 3: Yeah, we were, we were. We were up and down 220 00:13:04,676 --> 00:13:12,876 Speaker 3: the the Silicon Valley. It was. It was that's crazy. 221 00:13:12,956 --> 00:13:15,036 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was interesting like seeing that stuff, like going 222 00:13:15,036 --> 00:13:17,356 Speaker 2: back and checking out some of that stuff, you like, 223 00:13:19,036 --> 00:13:22,796 Speaker 2: were much more like kind of roots like your music 224 00:13:23,196 --> 00:13:25,756 Speaker 2: full stylings were much more like rootsy. You know, it 225 00:13:25,796 --> 00:13:28,276 Speaker 2: seemed like you were much more connected to and probably 226 00:13:28,316 --> 00:13:30,476 Speaker 2: still are, soul music in a lot of ways. 227 00:13:30,596 --> 00:13:33,716 Speaker 3: And and you know, yeah that. I mean, my my 228 00:13:33,996 --> 00:13:40,396 Speaker 3: musical upgrade upbringing then was a lot of Stevie Wonder, 229 00:13:41,076 --> 00:13:46,796 Speaker 3: a lot of like the Beatles, a lot of Red 230 00:13:46,836 --> 00:13:56,356 Speaker 3: Hot Chili Peppers, James Taylor, uh, you know, funk stuff. 231 00:13:56,476 --> 00:13:58,276 Speaker 3: I mean I was listening to a lot of stuff, 232 00:13:58,276 --> 00:14:01,476 Speaker 3: but I a lot of Marvin Gaye, a lot of 233 00:14:01,516 --> 00:14:03,916 Speaker 3: Emmy Winehouse. I mean I loved her as a kid. 234 00:14:04,396 --> 00:14:08,476 Speaker 3: I remember I listened to a lot of Joss Stone. Yeah, 235 00:14:08,476 --> 00:14:10,916 Speaker 3: when I was a young girl. 236 00:14:11,036 --> 00:14:13,556 Speaker 2: I was just thinking about her recently. I haven't I know, 237 00:14:13,676 --> 00:14:14,196 Speaker 2: I was too. 238 00:14:14,236 --> 00:14:16,116 Speaker 3: I don't know why, but she came up. I don't 239 00:14:16,116 --> 00:14:18,356 Speaker 3: know why she came up, but she was so sick. 240 00:14:18,436 --> 00:14:22,236 Speaker 3: She had some great, great songs, and she was really young. 241 00:14:24,076 --> 00:14:25,756 Speaker 1: Those are great records, No. 242 00:14:25,796 --> 00:14:33,436 Speaker 3: They are Adele, I mean classic, I Eric Abatdo. I 243 00:14:33,476 --> 00:14:36,116 Speaker 3: had like a little snarky puppy face when I was 244 00:14:36,156 --> 00:14:43,116 Speaker 3: a kid. Yeah, yeah, tool Randomly, I was just kind 245 00:14:43,116 --> 00:14:45,036 Speaker 3: of like soaking it all in. And I was in 246 00:14:45,116 --> 00:14:49,236 Speaker 3: this I was in this after school program, and essentially 247 00:14:49,316 --> 00:14:51,076 Speaker 3: I was just surrounded by all these kids who were 248 00:14:51,076 --> 00:14:55,116 Speaker 3: also interested in music, and we all would play together 249 00:14:55,396 --> 00:14:58,716 Speaker 3: in these bands, and we would play covers, we'd do 250 00:14:58,796 --> 00:15:02,996 Speaker 3: like recitals, and I learned so much music that way. 251 00:15:04,716 --> 00:15:08,676 Speaker 3: And I've kind of always been into like live band 252 00:15:08,876 --> 00:15:11,996 Speaker 3: can figurations and kind of the sound of like rock 253 00:15:12,676 --> 00:15:15,796 Speaker 3: and live like live stuff in that way, because it's 254 00:15:16,316 --> 00:15:18,916 Speaker 3: how I grew up. And I think that's such a 255 00:15:19,036 --> 00:15:21,956 Speaker 3: it's still such a core element of how I make 256 00:15:21,996 --> 00:15:24,596 Speaker 3: my music now, it's like I need it to be 257 00:15:25,876 --> 00:15:30,956 Speaker 3: real instruments or else. I am lost some yeah, I'm lost. 258 00:15:30,996 --> 00:15:34,036 Speaker 3: Something's wrong. It's like it's losing part of me. 259 00:15:34,436 --> 00:15:35,116 Speaker 1: Well, it's incredible. 260 00:15:35,156 --> 00:15:37,676 Speaker 2: How long I want to show you this because I 261 00:15:37,756 --> 00:15:39,516 Speaker 2: blew me away when I saw this. This is incredible. How 262 00:15:39,516 --> 00:15:41,436 Speaker 2: long you've had this is? I think this is you 263 00:15:41,516 --> 00:15:44,116 Speaker 2: in when you're sixteen, seventeen, eighteen. 264 00:15:44,596 --> 00:15:46,036 Speaker 1: The band's amazing, though. 265 00:15:45,956 --> 00:15:46,836 Speaker 3: Okay, what is it? 266 00:15:47,716 --> 00:15:48,396 Speaker 1: You tell me? What? 267 00:15:49,596 --> 00:15:53,676 Speaker 3: Oh god, oh I can't believe you're pulling this up. 268 00:15:53,796 --> 00:15:54,076 Speaker 1: We don't. 269 00:15:55,236 --> 00:15:59,956 Speaker 3: This is awesome music, is my Yeah, you're in high school? 270 00:16:02,996 --> 00:16:05,116 Speaker 3: Oh my god? Do that? Those are my voice? 271 00:16:05,316 --> 00:16:06,236 Speaker 1: Kids are? Kids? 272 00:16:06,236 --> 00:16:09,676 Speaker 3: Are sick? Yeah, we're doing it. You know. That's my 273 00:16:09,796 --> 00:16:15,196 Speaker 3: friend Chloeing. That's my friend Greg. Is that Dreg? 274 00:16:18,236 --> 00:16:20,916 Speaker 1: Yeah? Who are the bass players killing it too? 275 00:16:20,956 --> 00:16:25,076 Speaker 3: That's Terry Justice. He was in my van. I actually 276 00:16:25,116 --> 00:16:29,356 Speaker 3: just saw him for the first time in like ten years. Bro. 277 00:16:29,476 --> 00:16:31,756 Speaker 3: I just saw him for the first time in Copenhagen. 278 00:16:31,796 --> 00:16:34,076 Speaker 3: He lives there. He's in there. Yeah, he's lived there 279 00:16:34,076 --> 00:16:39,116 Speaker 3: for like seven years. And yeah, just reunited with him 280 00:16:39,556 --> 00:16:41,596 Speaker 3: like a month ago, and it was so amazing. To 281 00:16:41,596 --> 00:16:44,316 Speaker 3: see him, like he's so unchanged. He's the same, same dude. 282 00:16:44,436 --> 00:16:45,396 Speaker 1: Is he doing music still? 283 00:16:45,836 --> 00:16:47,996 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's in like cover bands with like fifty year 284 00:16:48,036 --> 00:16:51,916 Speaker 3: old man and stuff. But he's thriving. I mean he 285 00:16:51,956 --> 00:16:54,636 Speaker 3: loves it over there. But yeah, he's he was really 286 00:16:54,916 --> 00:16:56,956 Speaker 3: he was in my life. We were good friends. And 287 00:16:57,396 --> 00:16:59,276 Speaker 3: Aaron Valaio is the drummer. 288 00:16:59,356 --> 00:17:01,036 Speaker 2: He was a killed drum He took a drum solo 289 00:17:01,076 --> 00:17:03,236 Speaker 2: in that video later. Yeah, he shows you to check 290 00:17:03,276 --> 00:17:04,356 Speaker 2: it out. He killed the solo. 291 00:17:04,676 --> 00:17:07,316 Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't seen him. I haven't. I probably haven't 292 00:17:07,316 --> 00:17:11,676 Speaker 3: seen him since I don't know, twenty fourteen and yeah, but. 293 00:17:12,156 --> 00:17:15,356 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you had like good musicians around you. 294 00:17:15,396 --> 00:17:19,396 Speaker 3: We were Yeah, we were like training, we were doing it. 295 00:17:19,556 --> 00:17:21,236 Speaker 3: Everybody's very passionate about it. 296 00:17:21,836 --> 00:17:27,276 Speaker 2: What I was trying to figure out where the jump 297 00:17:27,596 --> 00:17:31,716 Speaker 2: came from to, you know, like the music you started 298 00:17:31,716 --> 00:17:36,836 Speaker 2: putting out twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, that feels much less like, 299 00:17:37,116 --> 00:17:40,196 Speaker 2: you know, just derivative, Like your music is so original 300 00:17:40,676 --> 00:17:44,236 Speaker 2: to my ears, thank you it like, but there's clearly 301 00:17:44,596 --> 00:17:45,996 Speaker 2: I don't know, it seems like there was clearly a 302 00:17:46,076 --> 00:17:49,276 Speaker 2: change in the way you started if not writing like 303 00:17:49,676 --> 00:17:52,596 Speaker 2: thinking about you know, producing out your songs or whatever. 304 00:17:53,036 --> 00:17:57,196 Speaker 3: I think me going off to school and really exploring 305 00:17:57,316 --> 00:18:00,836 Speaker 3: songwriting on my own was really helpful in that process 306 00:18:00,836 --> 00:18:03,236 Speaker 3: because I was kind of figuring out what chords I liked, 307 00:18:03,516 --> 00:18:09,236 Speaker 3: what keys I liked singing in like, I started just 308 00:18:09,316 --> 00:18:12,196 Speaker 3: kind of to figure out how to write songs that 309 00:18:12,316 --> 00:18:19,036 Speaker 3: made sense to me. And that was just my own 310 00:18:19,356 --> 00:18:21,636 Speaker 3: journey that I was taking kind of in my bedroom 311 00:18:21,796 --> 00:18:26,796 Speaker 3: in school, because to be honest, I like I love 312 00:18:26,876 --> 00:18:32,996 Speaker 3: to skip class, loved it and did that a lot, 313 00:18:33,196 --> 00:18:34,836 Speaker 3: and I would just kind of be writing in my 314 00:18:34,956 --> 00:18:37,516 Speaker 3: room and or hanging out with like my roommates and 315 00:18:37,596 --> 00:18:42,956 Speaker 3: jamming in my living room, or like I had this 316 00:18:42,996 --> 00:18:45,516 Speaker 3: little EDM phase where me and my friend Danny would 317 00:18:45,796 --> 00:18:48,596 Speaker 3: go into his room and like take out or all 318 00:18:48,676 --> 00:18:51,116 Speaker 3: and like make so much DM music. And that was 319 00:18:51,476 --> 00:18:57,196 Speaker 3: so crazy. I think I just I just was. I 320 00:18:57,316 --> 00:19:01,196 Speaker 3: essentially didn't release or record any music for four years, 321 00:19:01,236 --> 00:19:03,516 Speaker 3: like in all of the time that I was there, and. 322 00:19:03,556 --> 00:19:05,796 Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen to nineteen, rough. 323 00:19:06,236 --> 00:19:09,716 Speaker 3: Like twenty fourteen to twenty eighteen, I essentially was just 324 00:19:09,756 --> 00:19:13,716 Speaker 3: like Silent. I did a couple live shows here and there, 325 00:19:13,756 --> 00:19:15,796 Speaker 3: We did a lot of house parties where we would 326 00:19:15,836 --> 00:19:19,276 Speaker 3: do like covers and stuff. But I was kind of 327 00:19:19,396 --> 00:19:25,476 Speaker 3: just bubbling and like letting myself explore in a way 328 00:19:25,476 --> 00:19:28,436 Speaker 3: that I hadn't really done before. 329 00:19:29,156 --> 00:19:31,236 Speaker 2: Did it feel good or did you feel kind of 330 00:19:31,236 --> 00:19:34,716 Speaker 2: wayward lost because you seem like hyper focused when you 331 00:19:34,716 --> 00:19:35,436 Speaker 2: were younger on? 332 00:19:36,236 --> 00:19:40,276 Speaker 3: I never felt lost. I just felt like I was evolving. 333 00:19:42,916 --> 00:19:45,036 Speaker 3: I feel like that That's one thing about me that 334 00:19:45,356 --> 00:19:50,996 Speaker 3: I like about myself. Not to validate myself, but I 335 00:19:51,196 --> 00:19:54,756 Speaker 3: like that I'm I've always kind of been a person 336 00:19:54,796 --> 00:19:57,756 Speaker 3: that if I set my mind to it and if 337 00:19:57,796 --> 00:19:59,876 Speaker 3: I tell myself I'm gonna do it, I just do 338 00:19:59,956 --> 00:20:06,676 Speaker 3: it and there's like no second thoughts. And I I 339 00:20:06,756 --> 00:20:11,636 Speaker 3: just I still am that way even in my music, 340 00:20:11,916 --> 00:20:16,596 Speaker 3: mostly in my music making of just like I am 341 00:20:16,756 --> 00:20:23,436 Speaker 3: a deep, deep believer in my intuition and my gut 342 00:20:23,636 --> 00:20:26,756 Speaker 3: and in my subconscious to kind of guide me to 343 00:20:26,796 --> 00:20:29,956 Speaker 3: where I need to go. And I've kind of always 344 00:20:30,316 --> 00:20:34,516 Speaker 3: had that trust in myself since I was little, especially 345 00:20:34,516 --> 00:20:35,076 Speaker 3: in music. 346 00:20:35,716 --> 00:20:39,316 Speaker 1: Come from a nate, I don't know. 347 00:20:39,476 --> 00:20:42,596 Speaker 3: I think my parents were always really supportive of me. 348 00:20:43,156 --> 00:20:46,556 Speaker 3: I don't know if that had anything to contribute to it, 349 00:20:46,596 --> 00:20:53,116 Speaker 3: but even even early, like when I wasn't good, like 350 00:20:53,156 --> 00:20:56,116 Speaker 3: when I couldn't like sing on pitch or whatever, I 351 00:20:56,196 --> 00:20:59,076 Speaker 3: was still like, eh, you know, I got this. And 352 00:20:59,116 --> 00:21:02,836 Speaker 3: then eventually, like my ability is caught up I think 353 00:21:02,876 --> 00:21:05,956 Speaker 3: with me, and I was kind of able to I mean, 354 00:21:05,996 --> 00:21:08,436 Speaker 3: even when it was horrible. I just had this belief 355 00:21:08,476 --> 00:21:09,356 Speaker 3: in myself and. 356 00:21:09,316 --> 00:21:10,476 Speaker 1: Other people validating you. 357 00:21:11,476 --> 00:21:15,996 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was being validated by like, you know, 358 00:21:16,316 --> 00:21:19,356 Speaker 3: other musicians who were my age, and I had some 359 00:21:19,516 --> 00:21:24,996 Speaker 3: teachers who were really encouraging. For sure. I think I 360 00:21:24,996 --> 00:21:28,996 Speaker 3: don't know something vocally, something switched when I was fifteen. 361 00:21:29,876 --> 00:21:33,636 Speaker 3: I don't know if it was hormones or whatever the hell. 362 00:21:33,676 --> 00:21:35,276 Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell it was, but I 363 00:21:35,316 --> 00:21:37,396 Speaker 3: could all of a sudden when I turned fifteen, and 364 00:21:37,436 --> 00:21:40,996 Speaker 3: I was like able to sing with this rasp and 365 00:21:41,116 --> 00:21:43,716 Speaker 3: like really strongly, whereas like before, I was kind of 366 00:21:44,236 --> 00:21:47,996 Speaker 3: wasn't working as well. Yeah, And I think once I 367 00:21:48,076 --> 00:21:49,916 Speaker 3: kind of started to be able to tap into my 368 00:21:50,036 --> 00:21:54,636 Speaker 3: voice and discover the power of my voice, I like 369 00:21:54,876 --> 00:21:58,516 Speaker 3: was really I really started leading in leading into too, 370 00:21:59,796 --> 00:22:02,596 Speaker 3: like really singing and performing and making music because it 371 00:22:02,676 --> 00:22:03,636 Speaker 3: just made me feel good. 372 00:22:04,796 --> 00:22:06,996 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more from Remy Wolf After 373 00:22:07,036 --> 00:22:14,596 Speaker 2: this break, we're back with more from Remy Wolf. How 374 00:22:14,636 --> 00:22:17,516 Speaker 2: much earlier than fifteen did you start singing? 375 00:22:17,596 --> 00:22:23,636 Speaker 3: Like I started singing when I was in probably fourth grade? 376 00:22:24,396 --> 00:22:26,956 Speaker 3: Third or fourth grade. 377 00:22:27,156 --> 00:22:28,956 Speaker 1: Your parents aren't musical, right, Like they're not. 378 00:22:29,276 --> 00:22:30,796 Speaker 3: No, not at all. 379 00:22:31,636 --> 00:22:33,796 Speaker 1: Is anyone else in your family musical? 380 00:22:33,916 --> 00:22:37,716 Speaker 3: No? Not, like not really at all. My some of 381 00:22:37,756 --> 00:22:41,356 Speaker 3: my siblings can like hold a tune for sure, and like, 382 00:22:42,236 --> 00:22:44,476 Speaker 3: I mean, nobody else in my family makes music. Actually, 383 00:22:44,476 --> 00:22:49,556 Speaker 3: some of my my cousins love to write poetry and 384 00:22:49,636 --> 00:22:53,076 Speaker 3: like rap, but none of them have pursued it professionally 385 00:22:53,636 --> 00:22:56,756 Speaker 3: in the same way that I have. But I think 386 00:22:58,116 --> 00:23:02,316 Speaker 3: my family is a creative family. Like my mom is 387 00:23:02,356 --> 00:23:07,436 Speaker 3: in is a chef, has been into cooking her whole life. 388 00:23:07,596 --> 00:23:13,396 Speaker 3: My grandparents are really into food. And my grandpa is 389 00:23:13,436 --> 00:23:17,196 Speaker 3: like an entrepreneur. He's started I like countless, like so 390 00:23:17,316 --> 00:23:20,796 Speaker 3: many random little businesses. Like he had this like little 391 00:23:20,836 --> 00:23:25,236 Speaker 3: business where he would make side tables out of stone, 392 00:23:25,356 --> 00:23:28,556 Speaker 3: and then he has like a pickle company, and he 393 00:23:28,596 --> 00:23:30,476 Speaker 3: has like a vinegar company. 394 00:23:30,956 --> 00:23:32,876 Speaker 1: Those kind of those go together. 395 00:23:33,196 --> 00:23:36,876 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, pickles of vinegar, that's cool. But and then 396 00:23:36,876 --> 00:23:40,156 Speaker 3: my dad is like really entrepreneurial as well, so I 397 00:23:40,196 --> 00:23:42,356 Speaker 3: think I think what I learned from them was like, 398 00:23:43,836 --> 00:23:46,156 Speaker 3: if I want to be my own boss, I can, 399 00:23:48,076 --> 00:23:51,356 Speaker 3: which I now am, which I don't think there's any 400 00:23:51,396 --> 00:23:56,076 Speaker 3: other way that I could exist. As I said before, 401 00:23:56,076 --> 00:24:00,676 Speaker 3: I'm like too controlling and I would just never be 402 00:24:00,756 --> 00:24:03,556 Speaker 3: able to hold down a job. I don't think there's 403 00:24:03,596 --> 00:24:07,436 Speaker 3: some creativity flowing through just. 404 00:24:07,396 --> 00:24:09,076 Speaker 1: In the way your family existed. 405 00:24:09,396 --> 00:24:11,836 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess. 406 00:24:11,716 --> 00:24:14,516 Speaker 2: Just talking about bosses, you mentioned it earlier that you 407 00:24:14,556 --> 00:24:16,996 Speaker 2: did get like you are signed to a major label, 408 00:24:17,076 --> 00:24:19,316 Speaker 2: signed to Island. 409 00:24:19,556 --> 00:24:20,316 Speaker 1: How did that happen? 410 00:24:20,356 --> 00:24:22,676 Speaker 2: What was the process, like, you know, I mean, you 411 00:24:22,716 --> 00:24:25,676 Speaker 2: started putting out music in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty again 412 00:24:25,796 --> 00:24:28,596 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, nineteen twenty. Yeah, people really started liking it. 413 00:24:28,636 --> 00:24:31,756 Speaker 2: At what point did labels start reaching out to. 414 00:24:31,676 --> 00:24:39,876 Speaker 3: You very immediately? Which was crazy. I put out a 415 00:24:39,916 --> 00:24:47,956 Speaker 3: song called Guy in January of twenty nineteen, and I 416 00:24:48,276 --> 00:24:52,156 Speaker 3: was it kind of immediately got on kind of this 417 00:24:52,876 --> 00:24:59,636 Speaker 3: Spotify new music algorithm, do you know how no clue, 418 00:25:00,076 --> 00:25:04,316 Speaker 3: no idea, And that was kind of like the beginning 419 00:25:04,356 --> 00:25:12,036 Speaker 3: of Spotify, like the playlisting boom. Yeah, but yeah, it 420 00:25:12,436 --> 00:25:17,196 Speaker 3: got in some sort of system and was being you know, 421 00:25:18,116 --> 00:25:21,956 Speaker 3: fed to people on their algorithm, and from that I 422 00:25:22,076 --> 00:25:26,956 Speaker 3: was reached out to by a couple anrs. One an 423 00:25:27,076 --> 00:25:30,236 Speaker 3: R being this anar Hill that I ended up signing 424 00:25:30,236 --> 00:25:31,756 Speaker 3: with at Island. He was the first an R that 425 00:25:31,756 --> 00:25:35,316 Speaker 3: ever reached out to me, which I felt was Yeah, 426 00:25:35,356 --> 00:25:38,516 Speaker 3: it was like fitting and really the signing process took 427 00:25:38,556 --> 00:25:43,476 Speaker 3: about a year and I ended up signing with him 428 00:25:43,516 --> 00:25:45,636 Speaker 3: in the end, but you know, I went through all 429 00:25:45,636 --> 00:25:49,276 Speaker 3: the rounds. I went to a lot of the major 430 00:25:49,356 --> 00:25:54,036 Speaker 3: labels I had meetings with. It was a very overwhelming 431 00:25:54,076 --> 00:25:57,396 Speaker 3: process for me. I don't know. It took about nine 432 00:25:57,476 --> 00:26:01,676 Speaker 3: months of me releasing music for me to really come 433 00:26:01,716 --> 00:26:04,516 Speaker 3: around on the idea of like, Okay, I think now's 434 00:26:04,556 --> 00:26:10,076 Speaker 3: the time to sign. And I signed because I just 435 00:26:10,116 --> 00:26:13,676 Speaker 3: wanted more support and I wanted to be able to 436 00:26:13,716 --> 00:26:15,476 Speaker 3: do like bigger things. 437 00:26:15,636 --> 00:26:20,396 Speaker 1: Yeah like open for Olivia Rodrigo. Yeah, like that some 438 00:26:20,476 --> 00:26:21,236 Speaker 1: wild ship. 439 00:26:21,756 --> 00:26:24,116 Speaker 3: That is wild. I just got off that tour and 440 00:26:24,156 --> 00:26:27,636 Speaker 3: that was that was a long tour, really fun, really crazy. 441 00:26:28,436 --> 00:26:31,636 Speaker 3: Learned a lot. Europe is huge, Germany is huge. 442 00:26:31,676 --> 00:26:33,316 Speaker 2: Oh and that's where you met up with Harry Justice. 443 00:26:33,356 --> 00:26:38,076 Speaker 2: Then yes, that's a cool way to reconnect with it. Yeah, 444 00:26:38,196 --> 00:26:38,676 Speaker 2: high school. 445 00:26:39,356 --> 00:26:44,676 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really really crazy, really crazy a set of circumstances. 446 00:26:44,716 --> 00:26:47,156 Speaker 1: But yeah, how many months was that? 447 00:26:47,156 --> 00:26:50,996 Speaker 3: That was two months? Ten week tour? Wow, long tour. 448 00:26:51,956 --> 00:26:52,636 Speaker 3: That's a long tour. 449 00:26:52,716 --> 00:26:53,076 Speaker 1: What was it? 450 00:26:53,116 --> 00:26:55,676 Speaker 2: I mean it's weird because in a way you're you've 451 00:26:56,236 --> 00:26:58,996 Speaker 2: I mean I don't know. I mean you're at least 452 00:26:59,036 --> 00:27:01,036 Speaker 2: older than her, so and I imagine I have a 453 00:27:01,076 --> 00:27:03,276 Speaker 2: little more Yeah, I don't know. 454 00:27:03,356 --> 00:27:04,596 Speaker 1: Like what was that it? Like? 455 00:27:04,916 --> 00:27:08,596 Speaker 3: No, I mean she is a powerhouse. She like was 456 00:27:08,636 --> 00:27:13,396 Speaker 3: born I think to do this, to do this show. Yeah, 457 00:27:13,476 --> 00:27:16,436 Speaker 3: I mean she like she gets it done, and she's 458 00:27:16,476 --> 00:27:19,556 Speaker 3: so consistent, and it's it's it's crazy like what she 459 00:27:19,796 --> 00:27:21,956 Speaker 3: does every night, her shows two hours long. I mean, 460 00:27:22,396 --> 00:27:27,556 Speaker 3: and her voice just it's just crystal clear. I smoke 461 00:27:27,596 --> 00:27:31,796 Speaker 3: and drink, which is, you know, not awesome for the voice, 462 00:27:31,916 --> 00:27:36,116 Speaker 3: but also it's it's okay, my voice holds up. But yeah, 463 00:27:36,156 --> 00:27:40,316 Speaker 3: I mean, I think these opening tours, because I've also 464 00:27:40,396 --> 00:27:44,676 Speaker 3: opened for Lord and for Paramour and still Losing and 465 00:27:44,756 --> 00:27:47,836 Speaker 3: Cautious Clear, I've done a bunch of opening tours in 466 00:27:47,916 --> 00:27:53,556 Speaker 3: my time. They're really interesting, especially at the arena level, 467 00:27:54,236 --> 00:28:00,236 Speaker 3: because in those rooms they're so big, and you are 468 00:28:00,316 --> 00:28:06,716 Speaker 3: really feeling the depth of people not knowing who you 469 00:28:06,756 --> 00:28:12,236 Speaker 3: are at all. And I think that I've kind of 470 00:28:13,196 --> 00:28:18,036 Speaker 3: taken that on as a challenge for myself, not only 471 00:28:18,156 --> 00:28:25,276 Speaker 3: to like get them stoked for the main act, whether 472 00:28:25,316 --> 00:28:27,796 Speaker 3: it be like Paramour or Olivia or Lord whoever it is, 473 00:28:28,596 --> 00:28:30,316 Speaker 3: because that's really my job. When I go on an 474 00:28:30,356 --> 00:28:32,276 Speaker 3: opening tour, it's like I want to warm up the 475 00:28:32,316 --> 00:28:37,036 Speaker 3: crowd so that when Olivia steps on stage, they are 476 00:28:38,236 --> 00:28:39,596 Speaker 3: so gassed already. 477 00:28:39,796 --> 00:28:43,036 Speaker 1: Someone put up I think at least pretty near complete 478 00:28:43,196 --> 00:28:46,356 Speaker 1: recording of your of your set opening for her, and yeah, 479 00:28:46,436 --> 00:28:49,396 Speaker 1: washing it and you're like, I mean the audience. 480 00:28:49,236 --> 00:28:53,236 Speaker 2: Stretch literally stretched, yeah and shit for Olivia. Yeah, I 481 00:28:53,236 --> 00:28:55,596 Speaker 2: mean that's it was like James James Brown level of 482 00:28:55,636 --> 00:28:56,796 Speaker 2: commitment to the job. 483 00:28:57,316 --> 00:29:00,516 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I commit really really hard. And I 484 00:29:00,516 --> 00:29:03,476 Speaker 3: also just like for her crowd, especially to half of 485 00:29:03,476 --> 00:29:07,516 Speaker 3: that audience, it's their first concert ever, so they there 486 00:29:07,556 --> 00:29:11,476 Speaker 3: is an element of them feeling uncomfortable because they've never 487 00:29:11,796 --> 00:29:14,196 Speaker 3: been in a room like that before. So I kind 488 00:29:14,236 --> 00:29:18,876 Speaker 3: of took it upon me to get them warmed up 489 00:29:18,956 --> 00:29:21,956 Speaker 3: into the space, yeah, so that there could be like 490 00:29:22,516 --> 00:29:26,556 Speaker 3: a communal vibe which is. I mean, to me, a 491 00:29:26,676 --> 00:29:31,596 Speaker 3: show just should be a huge house party or just 492 00:29:31,636 --> 00:29:34,996 Speaker 3: like a huge essentially DIY experience. I just wanted to 493 00:29:35,036 --> 00:29:39,436 Speaker 3: feel like you're like super communal and like you're all together. 494 00:29:40,956 --> 00:29:42,036 Speaker 1: I want to be a hostess. 495 00:29:42,356 --> 00:29:45,756 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to host like truly. I yeah, and 496 00:29:45,996 --> 00:29:50,396 Speaker 3: that's that is probably why I like hosting, because I'm 497 00:29:50,476 --> 00:29:52,556 Speaker 3: just like I want everybody to have a good time. 498 00:29:53,396 --> 00:29:56,076 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think I learned. I learned or I 499 00:29:56,196 --> 00:30:00,116 Speaker 3: started really refining like how to expedite that process of 500 00:30:00,156 --> 00:30:06,236 Speaker 3: getting that audience like engaged and ready really quick and 501 00:30:06,316 --> 00:30:09,436 Speaker 3: like that is doing the exercises. It is like putting 502 00:30:09,436 --> 00:30:13,436 Speaker 3: your hands up and shaking around and working your hips 503 00:30:13,476 --> 00:30:16,356 Speaker 3: out and like singing like we do everything together. And 504 00:30:16,396 --> 00:30:19,156 Speaker 3: I think that it really does get people comfortable and 505 00:30:19,236 --> 00:30:24,996 Speaker 3: like in themselves and present and ready for that intensive 506 00:30:24,996 --> 00:30:28,076 Speaker 3: inexperience because concerts, I mean they're like they're intense. Yeah, 507 00:30:28,156 --> 00:30:32,996 Speaker 3: they're loud, they're emotional, they're you're packed together like really tightly. 508 00:30:33,756 --> 00:30:37,836 Speaker 3: And doing these opening gigs have has really helped me 509 00:30:38,676 --> 00:30:42,036 Speaker 3: refine that skill and know that it's something that I 510 00:30:42,076 --> 00:30:43,076 Speaker 3: want to do. 511 00:30:43,716 --> 00:30:45,876 Speaker 1: Yeah for people, you enjoy it? Yeah, how long? 512 00:30:45,916 --> 00:30:47,516 Speaker 2: Did it take you to like kind of warm up 513 00:30:47,516 --> 00:30:49,596 Speaker 2: to be in the warm up for Olivia like on 514 00:30:49,636 --> 00:30:53,956 Speaker 2: that tour. Hmm, when did you feel like you had 515 00:30:53,956 --> 00:30:55,236 Speaker 2: to die? I'm like, all right, now I know how 516 00:30:55,236 --> 00:30:56,356 Speaker 2: to get the audience like. 517 00:30:58,156 --> 00:30:58,276 Speaker 1: Oo. 518 00:30:58,516 --> 00:31:02,596 Speaker 3: I think maybe at show like ten, probably once we 519 00:31:02,636 --> 00:31:05,596 Speaker 3: got to London that was maybe like show eight. I 520 00:31:05,636 --> 00:31:10,796 Speaker 3: think I started I started really saying into it. But 521 00:31:10,876 --> 00:31:13,196 Speaker 3: I mean we did thirty one shows or thirty two 522 00:31:13,196 --> 00:31:17,756 Speaker 3: shows or something altogether for her, and I mean the 523 00:31:17,796 --> 00:31:20,236 Speaker 3: show kept morphing, like it's like if you you can't 524 00:31:20,276 --> 00:31:23,316 Speaker 3: just do the same thing every night. So I started, 525 00:31:23,476 --> 00:31:25,956 Speaker 3: you know, started morphing it. By the end of the show, 526 00:31:25,996 --> 00:31:29,076 Speaker 3: I was dropped, dropping f bombs and flashing my tips 527 00:31:29,156 --> 00:31:33,316 Speaker 3: to the crowd. That was very different from the beginning 528 00:31:33,956 --> 00:31:36,036 Speaker 3: of the show or of the lead anticipate. 529 00:31:36,076 --> 00:31:38,076 Speaker 2: I was gonna ask because, like you know, you were saying, 530 00:31:38,076 --> 00:31:39,796 Speaker 2: it was like a lot of people's first show like 531 00:31:39,876 --> 00:31:42,996 Speaker 2: concert liked So did you have the tailor cut out 532 00:31:43,036 --> 00:31:44,556 Speaker 2: certain songs maybe. 533 00:31:44,396 --> 00:31:48,076 Speaker 3: Or yeah, but you know, yeah, for like for my 534 00:31:48,196 --> 00:31:52,356 Speaker 3: song Toro, which is about having like this essentially like 535 00:31:52,396 --> 00:31:57,276 Speaker 3: a fuck fest in a hotel. I mean that is 536 00:31:57,276 --> 00:32:00,956 Speaker 3: what that song is about I obviously couldn't say that, 537 00:32:01,236 --> 00:32:03,796 Speaker 3: or I didn't want to lead with that with these 538 00:32:03,876 --> 00:32:09,276 Speaker 3: like children, so I ended up saying like, yo, you 539 00:32:09,316 --> 00:32:12,476 Speaker 3: guys ever had a crush, Like, raise your hand, if 540 00:32:12,476 --> 00:32:14,236 Speaker 3: you ever had a crush, raise your hand. If you 541 00:32:14,236 --> 00:32:16,436 Speaker 3: have a crush right now, raise your hand, if you've 542 00:32:16,476 --> 00:32:18,996 Speaker 3: ever been in love? And then I would kind of 543 00:32:18,996 --> 00:32:22,156 Speaker 3: be like, Okay, this song is about like the biggest, 544 00:32:22,236 --> 00:32:30,716 Speaker 3: fattest crush I've ever had. But then by the end 545 00:32:30,756 --> 00:32:32,356 Speaker 3: I would do this whole thing and I was like, yo, 546 00:32:32,436 --> 00:32:35,036 Speaker 3: if you ever had a crush, Okay, have you ever 547 00:32:35,076 --> 00:32:37,356 Speaker 3: been in love? Okay, who's never had a crush and 548 00:32:37,396 --> 00:32:40,156 Speaker 3: never been in love? Like hell yeah? And then I 549 00:32:40,276 --> 00:32:42,556 Speaker 3: turn around and be like, all right, this song's about 550 00:32:42,596 --> 00:32:48,316 Speaker 3: fucking in a hotel and it's funny. It's It was 551 00:32:48,356 --> 00:32:50,476 Speaker 3: funny too because at a certain point we were in 552 00:32:50,516 --> 00:32:54,116 Speaker 3: all these countries and I realized that English is not 553 00:32:54,196 --> 00:32:59,236 Speaker 3: their first language. Point and I was like, Oh, it 554 00:32:59,236 --> 00:33:01,396 Speaker 3: doesn't really matter, fine, I could just like say it. 555 00:33:01,436 --> 00:33:03,796 Speaker 2: And I think their sensibilities are like way different too 556 00:33:03,836 --> 00:33:05,556 Speaker 2: than like American audiences. 557 00:33:05,836 --> 00:33:07,796 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you're up. This is such an interesting 558 00:33:07,876 --> 00:33:12,236 Speaker 3: it's such an interesting like market to dip your toes 559 00:33:12,276 --> 00:33:17,036 Speaker 3: into as a American because I you just never It's 560 00:33:17,116 --> 00:33:22,476 Speaker 3: like you there's there's so much of every country's culture 561 00:33:22,516 --> 00:33:26,916 Speaker 3: that you just are never gonna understand. But I was 562 00:33:26,956 --> 00:33:29,876 Speaker 3: trying my best to kind of catch vibe. But it's 563 00:33:29,956 --> 00:33:35,036 Speaker 3: it's it's crazy. It was, it was crazy, And I 564 00:33:35,036 --> 00:33:38,676 Speaker 3: would love to go back and actually like be able 565 00:33:38,716 --> 00:33:41,396 Speaker 3: to kind of be in those countries a little bit longer, 566 00:33:41,476 --> 00:33:44,796 Speaker 3: just to understand more about the people and more about 567 00:33:45,676 --> 00:33:49,036 Speaker 3: the culture and what they like. But yeah, I mean 568 00:33:49,316 --> 00:33:52,516 Speaker 3: the audience's country to country were drastically different. 569 00:33:52,916 --> 00:33:53,316 Speaker 1: Wow. 570 00:33:53,556 --> 00:33:57,396 Speaker 3: Yeah, just as as a collective. 571 00:33:56,836 --> 00:33:59,156 Speaker 1: Whole, Like what were the differences you noticed? 572 00:33:59,636 --> 00:34:05,476 Speaker 3: Italy loose as hell? They are just rowdy as all. Shit, 573 00:34:05,676 --> 00:34:08,756 Speaker 3: I cannot even describe to you. I felt like my 574 00:34:08,876 --> 00:34:13,716 Speaker 3: open been in act brought down their energy. It was like, 575 00:34:15,436 --> 00:34:17,276 Speaker 3: and those are my people, so like I get it, 576 00:34:17,316 --> 00:34:21,436 Speaker 3: Like I am, I'm half Sicilian, like i I'm I 577 00:34:21,556 --> 00:34:25,076 Speaker 3: ride I ride for I ride for them. 578 00:34:25,476 --> 00:34:30,596 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were you could have matched their free. 579 00:34:30,076 --> 00:34:33,636 Speaker 3: I could not. I was trying, really, I was really trying. 580 00:34:33,676 --> 00:34:36,516 Speaker 3: My bath. I went I went hard that show. 581 00:34:36,596 --> 00:34:38,836 Speaker 1: I was like progressively just harder and harder. 582 00:34:38,916 --> 00:34:41,956 Speaker 3: Oh my god, and it was at least ninety five 583 00:34:41,996 --> 00:34:45,556 Speaker 3: degrees in the venue. There was no ac wow, it 584 00:34:45,636 --> 00:34:49,396 Speaker 3: was it was it was a time that was a show. Yeah. 585 00:34:49,916 --> 00:34:54,036 Speaker 3: And then like I don't know, like you are in 586 00:34:54,236 --> 00:34:59,036 Speaker 3: Switzerland and they're very polite and they're like a little 587 00:34:59,076 --> 00:35:03,516 Speaker 3: bit more stiff, and then you're in I don't know 588 00:35:03,516 --> 00:35:04,956 Speaker 3: if I should even say this, but then you're in 589 00:35:04,996 --> 00:35:08,076 Speaker 3: Germany and they love an order, they love taking orders. 590 00:35:08,756 --> 00:35:08,916 Speaker 1: Oh. 591 00:35:09,716 --> 00:35:12,556 Speaker 3: And then the UK is different, different because you know 592 00:35:12,676 --> 00:35:17,276 Speaker 3: there there were speaking the same language still and that's 593 00:35:17,356 --> 00:35:20,236 Speaker 3: just like a. I mean, it's it's so crazy. I 594 00:35:20,276 --> 00:35:22,156 Speaker 3: don't even know. Yeah, I don't even know. 595 00:35:22,196 --> 00:35:25,516 Speaker 1: How were you too much for the orderly Germany German audience? 596 00:35:26,516 --> 00:35:28,716 Speaker 3: No, I don't think so. I think that they they 597 00:35:28,756 --> 00:35:31,716 Speaker 3: warmed up to me. I mean the the handshaking and 598 00:35:31,756 --> 00:35:34,076 Speaker 3: the hips hips swiveling always work. 599 00:35:34,196 --> 00:35:36,236 Speaker 1: It's everyone right, yeah. 600 00:35:35,676 --> 00:35:37,916 Speaker 3: And I did this like big vocal warm up with 601 00:35:37,996 --> 00:35:42,396 Speaker 3: an oh and everybody can sing an a oh yeah, 602 00:35:42,756 --> 00:35:45,076 Speaker 3: so you know I was I was trying my best. 603 00:35:45,156 --> 00:35:47,836 Speaker 2: That's that's amazing because you get to like debrief with 604 00:35:47,916 --> 00:35:51,276 Speaker 2: like Olivia at all, like about playing those kinds of venues. 605 00:35:52,156 --> 00:35:56,476 Speaker 3: Yeah, we debriefed a little bit. I mean we towards 606 00:35:56,516 --> 00:35:58,676 Speaker 3: the beginning of the tour. I remember having a conversation 607 00:35:58,756 --> 00:36:03,036 Speaker 3: with her being like, WHOA, Like Europe's different, dude, and 608 00:36:03,076 --> 00:36:06,916 Speaker 3: she was like yeah, She's like yeah, I know. 609 00:36:07,316 --> 00:36:08,396 Speaker 1: She was noticing it too. 610 00:36:08,676 --> 00:36:11,756 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she she had done I think she on 611 00:36:11,796 --> 00:36:17,116 Speaker 3: her last album Sour, I think she had done a 612 00:36:17,276 --> 00:36:21,236 Speaker 3: European run and I think she yeah, she was. Yeah, 613 00:36:21,276 --> 00:36:24,116 Speaker 3: but I had never done as extensive as a run 614 00:36:24,156 --> 00:36:26,596 Speaker 3: as we just did, so it was all kind of 615 00:36:27,196 --> 00:36:29,196 Speaker 3: it was new to me and I was kind of 616 00:36:29,196 --> 00:36:29,996 Speaker 3: just soaking it up. 617 00:36:30,236 --> 00:36:32,676 Speaker 1: Man, that'd be that seems like a fun bill though, 618 00:36:32,756 --> 00:36:34,036 Speaker 1: you know, Yeah it was. 619 00:36:34,076 --> 00:36:36,156 Speaker 3: Actually it was so fun. And I watched her show 620 00:36:36,196 --> 00:36:38,516 Speaker 3: almost every single night, Like I loved the show. Yeah, 621 00:36:38,556 --> 00:36:41,636 Speaker 3: it was so fun. I got to be really really 622 00:36:41,636 --> 00:36:44,876 Speaker 3: good friends with her crew and her dancers and her band, 623 00:36:44,996 --> 00:36:46,556 Speaker 3: so like we were just having a blast. 624 00:36:46,996 --> 00:36:49,116 Speaker 1: Was such as a great band. Yeah, oh my. 625 00:36:49,076 --> 00:36:52,716 Speaker 3: God, they're sick. They're all so talented, they're all women, 626 00:36:52,756 --> 00:36:55,876 Speaker 3: are non binary, and they're just I mean I've never 627 00:36:56,076 --> 00:37:02,396 Speaker 3: been in a situation where like it's so female heavy. Yeah, 628 00:37:03,396 --> 00:37:08,476 Speaker 3: in the live space, And that was a really really 629 00:37:08,516 --> 00:37:11,476 Speaker 3: cool to exist in for a second. 630 00:37:11,636 --> 00:37:13,716 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I guess I think that I was 631 00:37:13,716 --> 00:37:16,116 Speaker 2: was looking at the credits for for your album, new 632 00:37:16,156 --> 00:37:18,796 Speaker 2: album and your other album. It does seem like a 633 00:37:18,836 --> 00:37:21,996 Speaker 2: lot of your collaborators are like men. 634 00:37:22,636 --> 00:37:24,316 Speaker 3: Yeah, I work with a lot of dudes. 635 00:37:24,356 --> 00:37:24,476 Speaker 1: There. 636 00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:26,796 Speaker 3: There are a lot of men around. 637 00:37:27,236 --> 00:37:30,676 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, in general in this room and outside. 638 00:37:30,956 --> 00:37:35,036 Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, I I don't have much to 639 00:37:35,076 --> 00:37:37,516 Speaker 3: say about it other than all these people that I 640 00:37:37,596 --> 00:37:41,756 Speaker 3: work with are I love them all. They're all great 641 00:37:41,756 --> 00:37:46,556 Speaker 3: people and regardless of them being men or women or whoever. 642 00:37:46,676 --> 00:37:50,276 Speaker 3: I really I surround myself with people who I love 643 00:37:50,316 --> 00:37:53,916 Speaker 3: and trust. And I work with a lot of men. 644 00:37:53,956 --> 00:37:56,916 Speaker 3: I work with a lot of women work with I 645 00:37:57,036 --> 00:37:57,956 Speaker 3: just worked with a lot of people. 646 00:37:58,196 --> 00:38:00,756 Speaker 2: Yeah, last album, in this album did some work with 647 00:38:00,836 --> 00:38:03,676 Speaker 2: Kenny Beats. How did that come to be? 648 00:38:05,076 --> 00:38:09,556 Speaker 3: Oh my god, Kenny? How did we meet? I think 649 00:38:09,596 --> 00:38:16,316 Speaker 3: we met through an Instagram DM, as most people do nowadays. 650 00:38:17,076 --> 00:38:19,196 Speaker 1: Which way you hit him or you hit me? 651 00:38:20,676 --> 00:38:22,636 Speaker 3: Which was cool because I had been you know, I 652 00:38:23,836 --> 00:38:26,276 Speaker 3: think the Cave was really big at the time, and 653 00:38:26,316 --> 00:38:29,396 Speaker 3: I had been yeah, super sick show and I'd been 654 00:38:29,436 --> 00:38:34,676 Speaker 3: watching that and he invited me over to his studio 655 00:38:34,756 --> 00:38:36,076 Speaker 3: and I just kind of went and hung out with 656 00:38:36,156 --> 00:38:39,356 Speaker 3: him and we made a song. That first day, I 657 00:38:39,476 --> 00:38:44,796 Speaker 3: was really shy. I remember. I think at the time 658 00:38:44,836 --> 00:38:47,916 Speaker 3: I was kind of used to going everywhere with Jared, 659 00:38:48,636 --> 00:38:50,756 Speaker 3: and I think I didn't bring Jared to that session, 660 00:38:51,356 --> 00:38:56,116 Speaker 3: and I just remember being shy and quiet. And then 661 00:38:56,836 --> 00:39:01,716 Speaker 3: the following day I brought Jared. Yeah, we had two 662 00:39:01,796 --> 00:39:06,636 Speaker 3: days together and then we made another song, and yeah, 663 00:39:06,676 --> 00:39:10,316 Speaker 3: then we've just like become boys. I yeah, I love 664 00:39:10,396 --> 00:39:13,836 Speaker 3: him and him and his whole team like are literally 665 00:39:13,876 --> 00:39:16,636 Speaker 3: like family to me. Like I really they were like 666 00:39:17,156 --> 00:39:20,156 Speaker 3: some of the first people in this industry to kind 667 00:39:20,156 --> 00:39:24,676 Speaker 3: of like really welcome me with open arms and be like, yo, 668 00:39:24,756 --> 00:39:29,316 Speaker 3: we're here to like support you. That's dope. And they're 669 00:39:29,436 --> 00:39:34,796 Speaker 3: really They're really awesome and like really have lifted me 670 00:39:34,916 --> 00:39:40,996 Speaker 3: up and kind of have been my champions for a 671 00:39:41,076 --> 00:39:43,756 Speaker 3: long time, and I love them for that. 672 00:39:44,636 --> 00:39:46,516 Speaker 2: After this last quick break, we'll be back with the 673 00:39:46,556 --> 00:39:53,836 Speaker 2: rest of my conversation with Remy Wolf. We're back with 674 00:39:53,876 --> 00:39:56,396 Speaker 2: the rest of my conversation with Remy Wolf. 675 00:39:57,476 --> 00:39:58,756 Speaker 1: I feel like I lost the thread. 676 00:39:58,876 --> 00:40:03,236 Speaker 2: I wanted to go back and find out like the 677 00:40:03,316 --> 00:40:07,476 Speaker 2: most like was it that session with your friend Jared 678 00:40:07,636 --> 00:40:09,436 Speaker 2: when he came to state you're living, like trying to 679 00:40:09,476 --> 00:40:12,676 Speaker 2: pinpoint when, like when your music start to sound in 680 00:40:12,716 --> 00:40:15,076 Speaker 2: the way it does now, which is like it's seriously, 681 00:40:15,116 --> 00:40:17,076 Speaker 2: it's like, I mean, I don't know, like maybe I'm tripping, 682 00:40:17,156 --> 00:40:19,956 Speaker 2: but if to me it sounds so original, and it 683 00:40:19,996 --> 00:40:24,756 Speaker 2: sounds like the finished product differs a lot from like 684 00:40:24,916 --> 00:40:29,516 Speaker 2: the original song that you write, maybe or at least 685 00:40:29,516 --> 00:40:30,156 Speaker 2: some of the time. 686 00:40:30,556 --> 00:40:33,156 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean me and Jared, I think have a 687 00:40:33,196 --> 00:40:38,516 Speaker 3: really special creative relationship where we are kind of able 688 00:40:38,596 --> 00:40:42,516 Speaker 3: to fill in each other's gaps. And I think we 689 00:40:42,636 --> 00:40:45,316 Speaker 3: figured that out when he came to stay with me 690 00:40:45,516 --> 00:40:50,756 Speaker 3: during those during that week in twenty eighteen. I think 691 00:40:50,756 --> 00:40:57,596 Speaker 3: it was. But he's an incredible instrumentalist. He knows how 692 00:40:57,636 --> 00:41:06,196 Speaker 3: to record, and he is super I mean, he's on 693 00:41:06,236 --> 00:41:10,516 Speaker 3: his own production journey and he's like doing amazing things 694 00:41:10,556 --> 00:41:12,636 Speaker 3: with so many different people now. But at the time, 695 00:41:14,596 --> 00:41:17,356 Speaker 3: we both like had no idea what we were doing, 696 00:41:17,596 --> 00:41:22,676 Speaker 3: but like enough to get by. And I think in 697 00:41:22,756 --> 00:41:27,876 Speaker 3: the beginning that originality I think partially stemmed from us 698 00:41:28,516 --> 00:41:36,916 Speaker 3: having a very locked in sense of taste together combined 699 00:41:36,956 --> 00:41:41,236 Speaker 3: with us sometimes not even knowing how to like execute that. 700 00:41:41,596 --> 00:41:45,916 Speaker 3: So we were kind of just like freestyling and free balling, 701 00:41:46,516 --> 00:41:52,596 Speaker 3: and we're creating these beats that sounded interesting and created 702 00:41:52,636 --> 00:41:56,316 Speaker 3: these songs that sounded interesting and different and unique, and 703 00:41:56,356 --> 00:41:59,236 Speaker 3: they were because we didn't know what the fuck we 704 00:41:59,316 --> 00:42:03,156 Speaker 3: were doing, and we were kind of just like doing 705 00:42:03,196 --> 00:42:05,356 Speaker 3: what we could with what we had, which at the 706 00:42:05,356 --> 00:42:10,076 Speaker 3: time was like a focus right interface and like a 707 00:42:10,116 --> 00:42:12,636 Speaker 3: shitty mic that I had in my room and a 708 00:42:12,676 --> 00:42:17,276 Speaker 3: shitty guitar that I had just bought off of Craigslist. 709 00:42:17,556 --> 00:42:21,236 Speaker 1: And is that what you did guy on? Yes? Wow? 710 00:42:21,436 --> 00:42:24,516 Speaker 3: Like the first two EPs were essentially just that set up, 711 00:42:24,636 --> 00:42:28,796 Speaker 3: like so bare bones in my bedroom or in like 712 00:42:28,876 --> 00:42:35,116 Speaker 3: an Airbnb that Jared was staying in, And so I mean, 713 00:42:35,156 --> 00:42:38,796 Speaker 3: we were just making it happen by the skin of 714 00:42:38,836 --> 00:42:43,356 Speaker 3: our teeth. But we were so driven a lot with that. Yeah, 715 00:42:43,396 --> 00:42:46,236 Speaker 3: we were so driven. And I think that sometimes when 716 00:42:46,276 --> 00:42:52,036 Speaker 3: you have nothing, you're forced to be really creative. And 717 00:42:52,116 --> 00:43:00,076 Speaker 3: I think that's kind of where my vocal harmony, layering 718 00:43:01,196 --> 00:43:05,876 Speaker 3: instrumentation came from. Because we didn't have all these instruments, 719 00:43:05,916 --> 00:43:07,916 Speaker 3: we didn't have a bunch of syns, and I very 720 00:43:07,996 --> 00:43:10,596 Speaker 3: quickly knew that I wasn't a huge fan of like 721 00:43:12,556 --> 00:43:16,716 Speaker 3: MIDI like plug in sense, Like I just never loved 722 00:43:16,716 --> 00:43:19,276 Speaker 3: the vibe. And there's some songs in the early days 723 00:43:19,276 --> 00:43:23,156 Speaker 3: where we were using like ominosphere or something like that. 724 00:43:23,796 --> 00:43:26,476 Speaker 3: I was always was kind of of this mindset of 725 00:43:26,516 --> 00:43:31,996 Speaker 3: wanting to create everything ourselves, like all the sounds at least, 726 00:43:32,956 --> 00:43:36,236 Speaker 3: which kind of led me to create this really intricate 727 00:43:36,396 --> 00:43:42,716 Speaker 3: and detailed vocal style where I was building essentially an 728 00:43:42,716 --> 00:43:47,996 Speaker 3: instrument out of my layering my voice, which I think 729 00:43:48,036 --> 00:43:53,476 Speaker 3: what made my early shit sound really different from a 730 00:43:53,516 --> 00:43:56,836 Speaker 3: lot of other stuff was that, like I was really 731 00:43:56,876 --> 00:44:03,876 Speaker 3: reliant on harmonies and almost making my vocals sound like 732 00:44:03,916 --> 00:44:06,076 Speaker 3: a synthesizer in their own. 733 00:44:05,996 --> 00:44:09,036 Speaker 1: Right is a particular way you learned to do that. 734 00:44:09,796 --> 00:44:13,276 Speaker 3: We were just experimenting, like truly, there was nothing that 735 00:44:13,316 --> 00:44:15,436 Speaker 3: we were really basing it off of. I think I've 736 00:44:15,476 --> 00:44:20,516 Speaker 3: always been a huge lover of harmonies, and I think 737 00:44:20,556 --> 00:44:23,916 Speaker 3: we figured out that layering my voice on top of 738 00:44:23,956 --> 00:44:30,156 Speaker 3: itself sounded cool because there's something about, uh, I have 739 00:44:30,196 --> 00:44:34,156 Speaker 3: a really kind of piercing tone, Like it's it's very 740 00:44:35,756 --> 00:44:36,796 Speaker 3: it's it's strong. 741 00:44:36,956 --> 00:44:38,316 Speaker 1: You have a strong voice for sure. 742 00:44:38,516 --> 00:44:41,636 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's strong, and so when you layer it it 743 00:44:41,876 --> 00:44:45,556 Speaker 3: sounds almost like an organ or something. It's so it's 744 00:44:45,596 --> 00:44:49,516 Speaker 3: like has that kind of honkiness that an organ would have, 745 00:44:50,076 --> 00:44:51,716 Speaker 3: and I think we just kind of leaned into that. 746 00:44:52,036 --> 00:44:55,116 Speaker 3: So yeah, a lot of those those og tunes we 747 00:44:55,116 --> 00:44:57,516 Speaker 3: were just it was so bare bones, and I think 748 00:44:57,556 --> 00:45:00,516 Speaker 3: that is what made it so that we had to 749 00:45:00,516 --> 00:45:03,036 Speaker 3: be so creative and innovate cool. 750 00:45:03,476 --> 00:45:05,316 Speaker 2: I mean, one of the things too, that's really interesting 751 00:45:05,316 --> 00:45:08,036 Speaker 2: about it is like it doesn't sound like it definitely 752 00:45:08,036 --> 00:45:11,196 Speaker 2: doesn't sound like it comes out out of because it's 753 00:45:12,516 --> 00:45:15,396 Speaker 2: i think lyrically in the forms and everything you're doing, 754 00:45:15,596 --> 00:45:18,316 Speaker 2: and like the way it's arranged or so unique, it 755 00:45:18,316 --> 00:45:23,156 Speaker 2: doesn't really sound like it shares a relationship with pop music. 756 00:45:23,236 --> 00:45:26,036 Speaker 2: But then you also do borrow some like you have 757 00:45:26,556 --> 00:45:29,876 Speaker 2: hooks that are just like sound like insanely ridiculous pop books, 758 00:45:29,916 --> 00:45:31,876 Speaker 2: you know whatever, you're able to like kind of like 759 00:45:31,956 --> 00:45:33,716 Speaker 2: blend so much stuff. 760 00:45:34,396 --> 00:45:35,556 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. 761 00:45:35,636 --> 00:45:37,716 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it does sound like maybe at some 762 00:45:37,796 --> 00:45:41,596 Speaker 2: point in that four year sort of you know where 763 00:45:41,596 --> 00:45:45,196 Speaker 2: you're just were simmering, like I. 764 00:45:45,116 --> 00:45:47,436 Speaker 1: Don't know, you picked up some pop sensibilities too. 765 00:45:47,316 --> 00:45:49,516 Speaker 3: You know, Like yeah, I mean I've always. I mean 766 00:45:49,556 --> 00:45:55,396 Speaker 3: I've always loved pop. I mean I loved old pop, 767 00:45:56,116 --> 00:46:03,156 Speaker 3: you know, seventies pop, sixties pop, uh, nineties pop, which 768 00:46:03,276 --> 00:46:12,996 Speaker 3: was grunge. I think I've always loved big hooks, catchy songs, 769 00:46:13,836 --> 00:46:18,156 Speaker 3: and I think I've always gravitated towards towards music that 770 00:46:18,276 --> 00:46:21,436 Speaker 3: like can stand the test of time in that way 771 00:46:21,556 --> 00:46:23,556 Speaker 3: just by like being a great song or a great 772 00:46:23,556 --> 00:46:26,836 Speaker 3: melody or like a great vibe. 773 00:46:27,156 --> 00:46:30,276 Speaker 1: What are the songs for you that are like the 774 00:46:30,316 --> 00:46:31,196 Speaker 1: holy grail of that? 775 00:46:32,836 --> 00:46:38,836 Speaker 3: Oh my god, oh god, let's see holy grail of 776 00:46:38,876 --> 00:46:45,836 Speaker 3: a great vibe? Yes, I love Sugar by Chaka Khan, which. 777 00:46:45,716 --> 00:46:47,596 Speaker 1: Is also seen in Chaka Kan on the Way Here. 778 00:46:47,636 --> 00:46:53,556 Speaker 3: But Shaka is she's like one of my biggest inspirations. 779 00:46:53,596 --> 00:46:57,516 Speaker 3: She's amazing because she's like a belter singer who's like 780 00:46:57,836 --> 00:47:05,916 Speaker 3: very free and smoke cigarettes and but is just is 781 00:47:06,076 --> 00:47:11,756 Speaker 3: so incredible at her instrument, but it's also an incredible improviser. 782 00:47:11,796 --> 00:47:14,676 Speaker 3: And you can like really tell in her music that 783 00:47:14,716 --> 00:47:18,796 Speaker 3: she is like living yeah and having fun yeah, and 784 00:47:18,956 --> 00:47:23,796 Speaker 3: it's like coming out of her naturally. And so I've 785 00:47:23,836 --> 00:47:26,556 Speaker 3: always been like really really inspired by. 786 00:47:26,396 --> 00:47:28,476 Speaker 2: Her, even when she I was listening like coming up here. 787 00:47:28,556 --> 00:47:31,596 Speaker 2: A song called actually was inspired. I was listening to 788 00:47:31,796 --> 00:47:34,156 Speaker 2: frog Rock and I was listened. I listened to this 789 00:47:34,276 --> 00:47:36,236 Speaker 2: like I love the sense soul on that. So then 790 00:47:36,236 --> 00:47:37,796 Speaker 2: I went to photo ID, which has a great Sin 791 00:47:37,876 --> 00:47:40,316 Speaker 2: solo and then made me think of a great I'm 792 00:47:40,356 --> 00:47:43,116 Speaker 2: incidentally wearing a great Herbie since solo on a Shaka 793 00:47:43,196 --> 00:47:46,156 Speaker 2: song M called the Melody lingers On. 794 00:47:46,836 --> 00:47:48,796 Speaker 1: And now I was like, the fuck who sings jazz 795 00:47:48,876 --> 00:47:49,076 Speaker 1: like this? 796 00:47:49,196 --> 00:47:52,756 Speaker 2: Like it was such like like like like it's just 797 00:47:52,796 --> 00:47:55,036 Speaker 2: she makes it sound so fun and like no one 798 00:47:55,316 --> 00:47:58,716 Speaker 2: brings that to that tradition you know these days in 799 00:47:59,156 --> 00:48:01,956 Speaker 2: my view, you know, like that level of fun that 800 00:48:01,996 --> 00:48:02,796 Speaker 2: she brings to it. 801 00:48:02,996 --> 00:48:05,316 Speaker 3: I agree. I mean she's like a funk She's like 802 00:48:05,356 --> 00:48:08,756 Speaker 3: a funk machine. Like she's like the Lady funk machine. 803 00:48:08,756 --> 00:48:12,716 Speaker 3: And I really love her. Got a chance to holler 804 00:48:12,956 --> 00:48:19,436 Speaker 3: yet or no no, uh not not really. I maybe 805 00:48:19,476 --> 00:48:21,756 Speaker 3: I should try a little bit harder to make the connect. 806 00:48:21,796 --> 00:48:24,636 Speaker 3: But when I was at school, she actually came through 807 00:48:25,676 --> 00:48:29,076 Speaker 3: my freshman year maybe and she was We had this 808 00:48:29,116 --> 00:48:33,356 Speaker 3: class called pop Forum. It was every Friday for two 809 00:48:33,436 --> 00:48:35,316 Speaker 3: hours and essentially they would just like bring in an 810 00:48:35,356 --> 00:48:41,476 Speaker 3: industry professional and they would either get interviewed or something 811 00:48:41,756 --> 00:48:45,556 Speaker 3: of the sort. And Shaka came and they selected for 812 00:48:46,196 --> 00:48:50,556 Speaker 3: singers to sing Shaka songs for her, and I was 813 00:48:50,556 --> 00:48:54,356 Speaker 3: not selected, but I I was like sitting very close 814 00:48:54,396 --> 00:48:58,636 Speaker 3: to her and she was so so incredible and so kind, 815 00:48:58,716 --> 00:49:00,836 Speaker 3: and I remember at the end she got up and saying, 816 00:49:00,876 --> 00:49:05,356 Speaker 3: tell me something good. And it was the most mind 817 00:49:05,356 --> 00:49:07,996 Speaker 3: blowing fucking performance I'd ever seen in my life. She 818 00:49:08,276 --> 00:49:17,316 Speaker 3: like was just so relaxed and just soaring. I I mean, 819 00:49:17,356 --> 00:49:20,876 Speaker 3: I was just like completely taken by her. Yeah, she's 820 00:49:20,996 --> 00:49:23,316 Speaker 3: like a powerful, powerful lady. 821 00:49:23,396 --> 00:49:24,996 Speaker 1: That's a that's a hard song to do like a 822 00:49:25,036 --> 00:49:26,916 Speaker 1: cappella too, because oh my. 823 00:49:26,956 --> 00:49:29,956 Speaker 3: God, I mean it's just her songs are so challenging 824 00:49:29,996 --> 00:49:32,236 Speaker 3: to sing. She's an incredible singer, Like what the hell? 825 00:49:33,756 --> 00:49:39,156 Speaker 2: Yeah, Shaka's insane man and Rufus too, Rufus and the 826 00:49:39,196 --> 00:49:42,836 Speaker 2: solo stuff. I guess it may Oh you know, it's 827 00:49:42,876 --> 00:49:45,796 Speaker 2: thinking about Shack. I'm thinking about Prince and your song. 828 00:49:45,836 --> 00:49:47,236 Speaker 2: You have a song on here called. 829 00:49:48,156 --> 00:49:51,516 Speaker 1: Cream and Cherry's and Cream, which. 830 00:49:52,916 --> 00:49:55,956 Speaker 2: Made me listening to us like not since Prince, like 831 00:49:55,956 --> 00:49:58,636 Speaker 2: like ballad at Dorothy Parker has like a cheating song. 832 00:49:59,076 --> 00:50:03,356 Speaker 1: It's so incredible, like sounds so fucking ent. It's like, 833 00:50:03,436 --> 00:50:03,956 Speaker 1: what is it? 834 00:50:04,556 --> 00:50:04,916 Speaker 3: Thank you? 835 00:50:05,116 --> 00:50:06,756 Speaker 1: Yeah, which I assume that's what about. I don't know that. 836 00:50:06,796 --> 00:50:12,716 Speaker 3: It is so spot on, it's it's like my Mistress song. Yeah, 837 00:50:12,876 --> 00:50:16,596 Speaker 3: thank you for saying that. That song was really kind 838 00:50:16,636 --> 00:50:21,436 Speaker 3: of a magnum opus of mine and like getting it. 839 00:50:22,156 --> 00:50:26,756 Speaker 3: We just wanted it to be kind of this psychedelic 840 00:50:28,396 --> 00:50:32,356 Speaker 3: dream movie of like I wanted it to completely take 841 00:50:32,396 --> 00:50:35,996 Speaker 3: you to a different world sonically, and we spent so 842 00:50:36,196 --> 00:50:40,796 Speaker 3: long like crafting every single little detail in that tune. 843 00:50:40,956 --> 00:50:43,716 Speaker 3: I mean for that song, I was really I was, 844 00:50:44,076 --> 00:50:50,316 Speaker 3: I mean lyrically very inspired by uh, Mistress Vibes that 845 00:50:50,356 --> 00:50:59,276 Speaker 3: I've Yeah, that's one of my friends, Mistress Vibes star. No, 846 00:50:59,316 --> 00:51:01,916 Speaker 3: I mean I've you know, I've had experiences in my 847 00:51:01,956 --> 00:51:05,436 Speaker 3: life that have been slightly unpleasant in that realm of 848 00:51:05,476 --> 00:51:08,356 Speaker 3: which I won't go into here. But the first part 849 00:51:08,396 --> 00:51:11,956 Speaker 3: of that song that I had was the the pre chorus, 850 00:51:11,996 --> 00:51:16,116 Speaker 3: which goes, is it wrong, Oh fearful in this like 851 00:51:16,196 --> 00:51:22,956 Speaker 3: kind of deep like like god godly or not just 852 00:51:23,036 --> 00:51:28,796 Speaker 3: like deep kind of scary wizard god type, like a yeah, 853 00:51:28,956 --> 00:51:32,716 Speaker 3: operatic wizard in the sky, and that kind of took 854 00:51:32,756 --> 00:51:35,436 Speaker 3: me on this journey of really trying to get in 855 00:51:35,516 --> 00:51:40,636 Speaker 3: the mind of like led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd and 856 00:51:40,676 --> 00:51:45,756 Speaker 3: like kind of where where they were writing from in Yeah, 857 00:51:45,756 --> 00:51:48,716 Speaker 3: I mean they loved Lord of the Rings and they liked, 858 00:51:50,076 --> 00:51:54,876 Speaker 3: you know, I mythology, Yeah, mythology like that. So I 859 00:51:54,996 --> 00:51:58,676 Speaker 3: kind of when I went back in to write the verses, 860 00:51:58,716 --> 00:52:00,876 Speaker 3: which was a while later, which is actually not a 861 00:52:00,916 --> 00:52:04,156 Speaker 3: typical process for me. Normally, I write the whole song 862 00:52:04,516 --> 00:52:07,516 Speaker 3: first day and it's that's kind of set in stone, 863 00:52:07,556 --> 00:52:09,716 Speaker 3: and then we kind of go back in and finalized 864 00:52:09,756 --> 00:52:12,516 Speaker 3: production stuff. But for this song, it kind of it 865 00:52:12,556 --> 00:52:14,556 Speaker 3: took it was a journey to kind of get everything 866 00:52:14,556 --> 00:52:18,956 Speaker 3: to walk together. But I don't know, like in the verses, 867 00:52:18,996 --> 00:52:21,796 Speaker 3: I'm like you fly morning dove way above my terrain, 868 00:52:21,876 --> 00:52:23,596 Speaker 3: And I was kind of just trying to think about, like, 869 00:52:24,396 --> 00:52:27,356 Speaker 3: you know, what would what would led Zeppelin's talk about 870 00:52:27,556 --> 00:52:31,236 Speaker 3: or how would they talk about this, how would they 871 00:52:31,236 --> 00:52:38,436 Speaker 3: talk about this these mistress vibes in their in their terminology, 872 00:52:38,516 --> 00:52:40,236 Speaker 3: And I kind of was just like, all right, I'm 873 00:52:40,236 --> 00:52:47,156 Speaker 3: gonna talk about expansive like nature metaphors. So yeah, that 874 00:52:47,236 --> 00:52:50,716 Speaker 3: song is me really trying to tap into some like 875 00:52:51,836 --> 00:52:54,396 Speaker 3: staple psychedelia. 876 00:52:54,636 --> 00:52:57,276 Speaker 1: That's funny because I guess, I guess, I mean, I guess. 877 00:52:57,316 --> 00:53:00,116 Speaker 2: Robert Plant wrote about that from the opposite perspous thing 878 00:53:00,156 --> 00:53:03,036 Speaker 2: about like since I've been loving you, he goes open 879 00:53:03,076 --> 00:53:05,156 Speaker 2: my front door or my back door slam must be 880 00:53:05,196 --> 00:53:06,796 Speaker 2: one of those new fangled back door man. 881 00:53:07,356 --> 00:53:10,116 Speaker 1: He's like talking to this lady. Oh my god, he's 882 00:53:10,156 --> 00:53:11,076 Speaker 1: just more directive about it. 883 00:53:11,276 --> 00:53:13,996 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was a little bit more uh more heady. 884 00:53:14,996 --> 00:53:18,156 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, the more. But it's a great it's 885 00:53:18,196 --> 00:53:18,836 Speaker 1: a cool song. 886 00:53:19,036 --> 00:53:20,916 Speaker 2: You know, when it took me if you listened before, 887 00:53:21,076 --> 00:53:23,356 Speaker 2: like I wasn't really don't really listen for lyrics all 888 00:53:23,396 --> 00:53:25,316 Speaker 2: that much. So after if he listens, I started hearing 889 00:53:25,316 --> 00:53:27,196 Speaker 2: the lyrics, I was like, oh, ship, yeah. 890 00:53:27,836 --> 00:53:31,196 Speaker 1: It's it's a it's a bold choice, Yes it is. 891 00:53:31,316 --> 00:53:32,476 Speaker 1: Has I gotten you in trouble? 892 00:53:32,716 --> 00:53:41,156 Speaker 3: Like, no, not yet. I'm very conscious of that. I'm 893 00:53:41,236 --> 00:53:49,396 Speaker 3: really conscious of not speaking about anything or anybody in 894 00:53:49,436 --> 00:53:51,636 Speaker 3: a way that's going to piss them off, especially if 895 00:53:51,676 --> 00:53:53,316 Speaker 3: there are people in my life that are close to 896 00:53:53,356 --> 00:53:57,516 Speaker 3: me and still there and that I love and I 897 00:53:57,956 --> 00:54:00,916 Speaker 3: mean I mean a lot of times, you know, I'm 898 00:54:00,956 --> 00:54:08,116 Speaker 3: writing about romantic relationships sometimes friendships. I'm like a really 899 00:54:09,196 --> 00:54:12,036 Speaker 3: strong believer in being friends with your exes. So I'm 900 00:54:12,076 --> 00:54:14,196 Speaker 3: like friends with all of my exes, like they're all 901 00:54:14,236 --> 00:54:15,556 Speaker 3: around or like part of the fan. 902 00:54:15,876 --> 00:54:17,556 Speaker 1: What does that do for you? What is that? Like? 903 00:54:17,596 --> 00:54:19,676 Speaker 1: What's the philosophy behind it? 904 00:54:20,836 --> 00:54:25,196 Speaker 3: I just I there's a reason that I was with them, 905 00:54:26,036 --> 00:54:30,436 Speaker 3: with all of them, and I mean a lot of 906 00:54:30,476 --> 00:54:35,036 Speaker 3: them are friends with my friends, and I to me, 907 00:54:35,276 --> 00:54:39,556 Speaker 3: there's no reason unless something really really bad happened. There's 908 00:54:39,596 --> 00:54:42,796 Speaker 3: like no reason for like a long term animosity to 909 00:54:42,916 --> 00:54:45,956 Speaker 3: like ruin you know, the piece between the larger friend 910 00:54:45,996 --> 00:54:49,036 Speaker 3: group and just like I don't have to avoid someone. 911 00:54:49,116 --> 00:54:51,636 Speaker 3: I'd rather just put our ship in the past and 912 00:54:51,716 --> 00:54:57,036 Speaker 3: be able to like be homies. And I've been able to, 913 00:54:57,436 --> 00:55:04,676 Speaker 3: you know, do that. And with most of them, there's 914 00:55:04,676 --> 00:55:08,116 Speaker 3: a couple that, you know, are exceptions. Yeah, there's some 915 00:55:08,276 --> 00:55:11,956 Speaker 3: that are out of my life life, probably for good. 916 00:55:12,236 --> 00:55:16,716 Speaker 3: But that's it's a that's a complex it's a complex thing. 917 00:55:16,836 --> 00:55:19,596 Speaker 3: It's a complex thing to be writing about people in 918 00:55:19,596 --> 00:55:23,436 Speaker 3: your life or experience that you've experiences that you've gone through, 919 00:55:26,956 --> 00:55:29,436 Speaker 3: and there's a balance there. 920 00:55:29,996 --> 00:55:33,556 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, which I guess maybe we should return then 921 00:55:33,636 --> 00:55:39,436 Speaker 2: to Toro and Alone in Miami. Not necessarily with those 922 00:55:39,916 --> 00:55:43,876 Speaker 2: who that's about or anything, but obviously very personal experience 923 00:55:43,996 --> 00:55:46,316 Speaker 2: is how do you And there's a lot of like 924 00:55:46,596 --> 00:55:50,636 Speaker 2: intricate detail in Alone in Miami, like the the hula 925 00:55:50,716 --> 00:55:52,476 Speaker 2: girl on the dash or what you know, or I 926 00:55:52,556 --> 00:55:54,196 Speaker 2: assume it was on the dash because you said you're 927 00:55:54,196 --> 00:55:54,876 Speaker 2: in an uber. 928 00:55:57,436 --> 00:55:58,836 Speaker 1: Did you? 929 00:55:58,956 --> 00:56:00,756 Speaker 3: Yeah? I wasn't an uber? 930 00:56:01,596 --> 00:56:02,356 Speaker 1: Did you say that? 931 00:56:02,556 --> 00:56:05,996 Speaker 2: No, s okay ship, But you give so many details 932 00:56:05,996 --> 00:56:07,756 Speaker 2: in the song that I did start to like you 933 00:56:07,876 --> 00:56:09,676 Speaker 2: picture it. I start to pick sure, I guess it 934 00:56:09,756 --> 00:56:12,756 Speaker 2: painted an accurate picture for me. Yeah, but like, did 935 00:56:12,796 --> 00:56:14,796 Speaker 2: you just remember like when you wrote this, were you 936 00:56:14,876 --> 00:56:16,596 Speaker 2: in that moment being like, I'm gonna write a song 937 00:56:16,636 --> 00:56:18,956 Speaker 2: about this, and theref I'm gonna remember this feels like 938 00:56:18,996 --> 00:56:21,276 Speaker 2: a moment that's potent in some way, and so therefo 939 00:56:21,276 --> 00:56:23,156 Speaker 2: I'm gonna remember the details and write about it, or. 940 00:56:23,196 --> 00:56:24,996 Speaker 1: Because how the fuck did you remember all that stuff? 941 00:56:25,156 --> 00:56:26,676 Speaker 1: There's so many random details. 942 00:56:26,796 --> 00:56:29,796 Speaker 3: I know. I think that the week that I was 943 00:56:29,836 --> 00:56:35,396 Speaker 3: in Miami was just honestly like this wild life changing 944 00:56:35,436 --> 00:56:37,796 Speaker 3: experience for me, just in the sense that it was 945 00:56:37,876 --> 00:56:42,316 Speaker 3: so it was so memorable because it was it was 946 00:56:42,436 --> 00:56:44,436 Speaker 3: out of a fever dream. I don't know if you've 947 00:56:44,476 --> 00:56:46,556 Speaker 3: been you've probably been to Miami. Have you been there? 948 00:56:47,116 --> 00:56:48,596 Speaker 2: Just there for the first time in a long time 949 00:56:48,636 --> 00:56:50,676 Speaker 2: in October, and it was like in and out and 950 00:56:51,116 --> 00:56:52,476 Speaker 2: it was just it wasn't It wasn't for me. 951 00:56:52,676 --> 00:56:55,756 Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean, it's it's it's a wild place. 952 00:56:55,796 --> 00:56:58,476 Speaker 3: And I was there for Art Basil, and Art Basil 953 00:56:58,596 --> 00:57:01,116 Speaker 3: is you know this. It's like this art festival where 954 00:57:01,156 --> 00:57:03,596 Speaker 3: people come in from all around the world and there's 955 00:57:03,716 --> 00:57:07,636 Speaker 3: art galleries all around the city. Even more importantly than that, 956 00:57:07,676 --> 00:57:11,956 Speaker 3: there's crazy parties all around the city and almost every 957 00:57:11,956 --> 00:57:16,276 Speaker 3: building there's like fashion parties, art parties, brand parties. Like 958 00:57:16,316 --> 00:57:19,276 Speaker 3: everybody's hosting a party and they're all nuts and everybody 959 00:57:19,476 --> 00:57:25,396 Speaker 3: has alcohol, cocaine, powdered substances. 960 00:57:25,676 --> 00:57:26,076 Speaker 1: Miami. 961 00:57:26,716 --> 00:57:28,956 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's Miami, I mean, and I'd never been and 962 00:57:28,996 --> 00:57:32,316 Speaker 3: I was there by myself, and I was there to 963 00:57:32,396 --> 00:57:39,396 Speaker 3: attend a Playboy party. I was there for Playboys and 964 00:57:39,716 --> 00:57:45,756 Speaker 3: I went there four days early, which I formed to attend. Yeah, 965 00:57:46,236 --> 00:57:50,716 Speaker 3: it's like just to hang and so I went there. 966 00:57:50,756 --> 00:57:54,876 Speaker 3: I was flying from London to I flew from London, 967 00:57:54,956 --> 00:57:58,796 Speaker 3: and I was in London for about three weeks because 968 00:57:59,636 --> 00:58:02,516 Speaker 3: I was there on tour, and the tour ended up 969 00:58:02,516 --> 00:58:05,036 Speaker 3: getting canceled because of COVID and I couldn't come home 970 00:58:05,116 --> 00:58:06,916 Speaker 3: because of COVID, so I was just there for a 971 00:58:06,956 --> 00:58:11,036 Speaker 3: long time. And then I flew into Miami and I 972 00:58:11,156 --> 00:58:16,116 Speaker 3: just had these four days alone meeting all these new people, 973 00:58:16,996 --> 00:58:23,316 Speaker 3: doing drugs, eating kubanos, being really existential, like on the 974 00:58:23,356 --> 00:58:25,756 Speaker 3: beach by myself, listening to Liz Fair. 975 00:58:25,916 --> 00:58:26,036 Speaker 1: Like. 976 00:58:26,116 --> 00:58:29,036 Speaker 3: I remember everything so vividly from that trip. I don't 977 00:58:29,076 --> 00:58:34,316 Speaker 3: know why. It just was like so crazy wow, and 978 00:58:34,476 --> 00:58:36,476 Speaker 3: I'd know. I mean, at the end of the trip, 979 00:58:36,516 --> 00:58:39,036 Speaker 3: I had no I wasn't like, oh, this needs to 980 00:58:39,076 --> 00:58:39,596 Speaker 3: be a song. 981 00:58:39,676 --> 00:58:42,476 Speaker 2: But so like two years later, when you're writing it, 982 00:58:42,516 --> 00:58:44,876 Speaker 2: you just remembered, like all of that just came flooding. 983 00:58:45,076 --> 00:58:47,516 Speaker 3: But I think I wrote it maybe four months later, 984 00:58:47,716 --> 00:58:50,716 Speaker 3: maybe five months later, okay, And I remember it was 985 00:58:50,756 --> 00:58:53,236 Speaker 3: with Jack and Eaton, and I remember the first thing 986 00:58:53,276 --> 00:58:55,276 Speaker 3: that I sang. I started playing these chords, and I 987 00:58:55,276 --> 00:58:57,836 Speaker 3: think the first thing that I said sang was alone 988 00:58:57,876 --> 00:59:00,676 Speaker 3: in Miami with you there, and then I was like, wait, 989 00:59:00,716 --> 00:59:03,996 Speaker 3: we should write a song about my Miami trip. And 990 00:59:04,036 --> 00:59:08,436 Speaker 3: then essentially I was just telling them. I essentially told 991 00:59:08,436 --> 00:59:11,316 Speaker 3: them what I just told you, and I was just 992 00:59:11,356 --> 00:59:14,436 Speaker 3: telling them all the details of what happened. And at 993 00:59:14,436 --> 00:59:16,916 Speaker 3: a certain point, I was just like, wait, we literally 994 00:59:16,996 --> 00:59:20,596 Speaker 3: don't need to do anything except for tell exactly the 995 00:59:20,676 --> 00:59:22,756 Speaker 3: story of like what happened there, Like, we don't need 996 00:59:22,796 --> 00:59:25,676 Speaker 3: to make up anything, Like there's nothing that even needs 997 00:59:25,676 --> 00:59:28,916 Speaker 3: to be embellished. So essentially that's what we did. Yeah, 998 00:59:29,116 --> 00:59:31,916 Speaker 3: the song was was written, it was written for it 999 00:59:32,436 --> 00:59:33,436 Speaker 3: essentially wrote itself. 1000 00:59:33,756 --> 00:59:35,476 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite songs on the album. So 1001 00:59:35,636 --> 00:59:40,476 Speaker 1: thank you. Glad you made that call. Glad you ended 1002 00:59:40,556 --> 00:59:41,436 Speaker 1: up in Miami too. 1003 00:59:41,516 --> 00:59:45,756 Speaker 3: Me too. 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