1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. This is the Bloomberg 2 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: DAYBAQT podcast, available every morning on Apple, Spotify or wherever 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: you listen. It's Tuesday, the fourth of June in London. 4 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 2: I'm Caroline HEPCAF. 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,919 Speaker 3: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today, India decides election 6 00:00:21,000 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: results trickle in for the world's biggest democracy. 7 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 4: As Nerandra Modi seeks a third term. 8 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: Bloomberg learns Rishi Sunak may harden his position on the 9 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: European Convention on Human Rights, as Nigel Fouage announces he 10 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: is standing for election. 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 3: Plus how Berkenstark, a two hundred and fifty year old 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 3: German shoe company, became an improbable luxury powerhouse. 13 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 2: Let's start with a round up of our top stories. 14 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 3: Early results in India's election indicate that the race is 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 3: much closer than any of the exit polls had estimated. 16 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 3: What Such polls have a mixed track record in Indian elections, 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: they correctly predicted the broad outlines of the results in 18 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 3: twenty nineteen and twenty fourteen. Neandromody and his BJP party 19 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:06,399 Speaker 3: are seeking a third term in power, running the world's fastest. 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 4: Growing major economy. 21 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Mary Nicola says that markets are watching their results closely. 22 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 5: The key thing here is just about what happens in 23 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 5: terms of the formation of the government. If you get, 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 5: let's say, a supermajority. What happens if the government then 25 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 5: focuses more on its political agenda rather than the economic agenda. 26 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 5: And that's absolutely crucial and could actually put a little 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 5: bit of a stop into the rally in Indian equities 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:31,679 Speaker 5: if we see that. 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 4: Our market's life strates. 30 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 3: Is Mary Nikola there referring to the supermajority of four 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 3: hundred seats in India's lower house that Mody is seeking. 32 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 1: Here in the UK, Rishisunak is considering an election pledge 33 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: to seek reform of or leave the European conventional human 34 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: rights sources of told Bloomberg the Prime Minister is discussing 35 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,960 Speaker 1: the move to counter Brexit. Architect Nigel Farage is a 36 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: return to politics are UK politics reporter James Wilcock has more. 37 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 6: A highly respected u of mrp Pole predicted Labour would 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,720 Speaker 6: get the largest majority in one hundred years last night. 39 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 6: That should be caused enough for conservative misery. Yet it 40 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 6: was this man who really started the despair. 41 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 7: They are split down the middle on policy and frankly 42 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 7: right now, they don't stand for a damn thing. So 43 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 7: our aim in this election is to get many, many 44 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:25,200 Speaker 7: millions of votes. 45 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 6: Yes, Brexit headliner Nigel Farad has changed his mind and 46 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,280 Speaker 6: plans on leading the right wing challenge to the Conservative Party. 47 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 6: If the new Reform UK leader can do, as he claims, 48 00:02:36,800 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 6: defense circuity grant chap swarms, it would erode the Tory votes. 49 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,119 Speaker 6: A vote for reform very simply as a vote for Starmer, 50 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 6: and I don't believe that's sensible. I don't think it's 51 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 6: what the country really wants. This leaves Sunac headed to 52 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 6: TV debates tonight, needing to win back potentially both the 53 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:58,119 Speaker 6: center and right wing of the electorates in London. Bloomberg 54 00:02:58,200 --> 00:02:59,359 Speaker 6: Radio James Wilcock. 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 3: British consumers are holding back on spending as higher bills 56 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,280 Speaker 3: hit home card Data from Berkley's shows spending in Mayro's 57 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,360 Speaker 3: by one percent compared to last year, the slowest pace 58 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:14,040 Speaker 3: in three years. The pullback follows annual price hikes on 59 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 3: bills for households of centials in April, including council tax 60 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 3: and broadband. 61 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 2: Marks and spent A. 62 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 1: CEO, Stuart Macin, saw his pay increase by two million 63 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: pounds last year, according to the company's annual report. The 64 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: boost comes as the retailer enjoyed a revival in food 65 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: and clothing sales. Last month, Emins said that it was 66 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: in the strongest financial health since nineteen ninety seven. Makin's 67 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: total remuneration for twenty twenty three to twenty twenty four 68 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: will be four point seven million pounds. 69 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 3: A software update glitter the New York Stock Exchange sparked 70 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: trading halts and false displays of ninety nine percent drops 71 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,320 Speaker 3: and companies including Warren botch Att's Berkshire Hathaway. The destruction 72 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 3: is one of multiple trading hiccups in recent days. It 73 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,240 Speaker 3: was resolved after forty five five minutes when the exchange 74 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: reverted to running a different software version. Bloomberg's finance supporter 75 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 3: Catherine Doherty says the frequency likely isn't a coincidence. 76 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 8: We have seen three incidents in the last week or 77 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 8: so since T plus one was implemented, So in every 78 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 8: time that like this morning, there's been incidents like this, 79 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 8: the answer has been, oh, it's not tied to T 80 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 8: plus one, but again if you have the third time 81 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 8: within a less than week timespan. I think the questions 82 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,039 Speaker 8: are still going to be asked, and hopefully we'll get 83 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 8: more answers. 84 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Catherine Doherty there the New York Stock Exchange says 85 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 3: that they'll cancel the bad trades in Berkshire Hathaways and 86 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 3: is reviewing the erroneous Holts to determine whether to cancel 87 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 3: any of those. Last week, a computer era prevented prices 88 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 3: from printing on the exchange for over an hour. 89 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 1: The retail stock trader who drove the game stop craze 90 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: is apparently worth two hundred and ninety million dollars. Rowing 91 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: Kitty posted a screenshot of his portfolio on Reddit showing 92 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: a huge bet on the company. Bloomberg's Bailey Lipschultz says 93 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: that it's impossible to verify if it's real the. 94 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:12,159 Speaker 9: Last time he posted an update on that portfolio. Last 95 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 9: time checking in on the portfolio was worth about thirty 96 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 9: four million dollars, so a humongous jump in terms of 97 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 9: the actual value underlying that position, in addition to the 98 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 9: fact that there's some forty five million dollars potentially in cash, 99 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 9: but Nonetheless, it drove a flory of training activity. 100 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: But to Bloomberg's Lipshultz as there are questions about how 101 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:32,039 Speaker 1: far the game Stop rally can go. 102 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 2: Given them many changes since. 103 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 1: The Meme rally in twenty twenty one, game Stop shares 104 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: jump twenty one percent yesterday, adding roughly one point seven 105 00:05:40,720 --> 00:05:43,919 Speaker 1: billion dollars to its market cap. Now in a moment 106 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:47,359 Speaker 1: euphoria cut short. Narendra Modi is expected to win a 107 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 1: third term as Prime Minister in India, but perhaps by 108 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 1: a much smaller margin. Well, we'll be discussing the outcome 109 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: as the counting of those votes is underway. Still a 110 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: lot of uncertainty, but quite a bit of market reaction 111 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: to discuss. But before that, a nice story on the 112 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 1: Bloomberg terminal that at least I found very interesting lab 113 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:09,039 Speaker 1: grown diamonds. 114 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:09,480 Speaker 2: Anyone. 115 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 1: De Beers says no thanks. After a six year foray 116 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: into making these deeply discounted synthetic gems so sort of 117 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: man made gems, they are pulling out of this offering. 118 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: The whole idea actually for de Beers had been to 119 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: try to drag down the price of lab grown diamonds 120 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: so that they did not compete with obviously what Deberz 121 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: is most well known for, which is the mind gems. 122 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 3: But there would be two sort of products of the 123 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: people because there was being able to choose farm and 124 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: there would be a clear distinction between them. But now 125 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,279 Speaker 3: in the revamp of Anglo American, who was currently owned 126 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 3: Yber's but is trying to sell it off, essently, this 127 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 3: has led to a rethink of that business as well. 128 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 3: So they're going to be winding down that six year 129 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 3: program that broke one of its oldest taboos. 130 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. 131 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:57,200 Speaker 1: Absolutely, it's a really interesting piece on the Bloomberg terminal 132 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 1: for you this morning. I think the most important line 133 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: out of the whole thing. Apparently the technology is so 134 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: advanced now that experts need a machine to tell the 135 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: difference between a mind geminis synthemay. 136 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: I think you'd still know, Caroline, Yeah, Sup was to 137 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: bite or was that silver? 138 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 4: I can't remember? 139 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 3: Anyway, Let's get back to our top story this morning 140 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 3: and the vote counting underway in India close to nine 141 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 3: hundred and seventy million voters. Indian stocks have been pulling back, 142 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 3: though from record highs. The Rupean bonds of weekends of 143 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: Prime Minister in Randromodi's party is seen winning a narrow victory. 144 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 3: Joining us now with the Datusasimmy and HISS director Raslin 145 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 3: matheson Raz Good Morning, talk us through what we know 146 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: about the vote counting process near and Dromodi still projected 147 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: to win at this stage. 148 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 10: Well, that's right, he's still expected to win. The question 149 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 10: is by how much. He already had a majority going 150 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 10: into this election. But he needs two hundred and seventy 151 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 10: two seats to win. And we had those exit polls 152 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 10: yesterday which have bounced us around a bit because they 153 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 10: were indicating quite a whopping victory for Modi. Some exit 154 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 10: polls we're talking about three hundred and fifty seats, even 155 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 10: four hundred seats out of a what five hundred and 156 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 10: forty plus seat parliament, and that's a super super majority. 157 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 10: And so there was a bit of exuberance about the 158 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 10: possibility of a very big win for Mody, and what 159 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 10: we're seeing in the actual vote count it's not going. 160 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: To be as big as that. 161 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 10: In fact, it could be around the margin of what 162 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 10: he already had in the prior election, which is still 163 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 10: pretty good. But when your Modi, the expectations are you're 164 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 10: going to do better every time, and that seems to 165 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 10: be where the disconnect has come in the question is 166 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 10: does he have enough to govern outright on his own 167 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,199 Speaker 10: with his own party or is he forced into more 168 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 10: of an alliance which is quite uncomfortable for him with 169 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 10: some of the smaller parties. And that's where you get, 170 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 10: you know, difficulty for him with those smaller parties, you know, 171 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 10: with their policies and demands, and he has to start 172 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 10: to govern in a more of an unwieldy coalition. At 173 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,199 Speaker 10: this point, it does seem he's leading in about three 174 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 10: hundred seats, which is enough for him to govern on 175 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 10: his own, But we need to see how the full 176 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 10: vote plays out to see if he can really do. 177 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: That or not in terms of what it might mean 178 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: then for key policies, especially around spending, of which there 179 00:09:15,080 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: has been a lot under the last Modi administration, economic 180 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: growth and also youth unemployment the big lines. 181 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: Well, that's right. 182 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 10: I mean, he's really pushed a lot around infrastructure to 183 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 10: build ports, roads, airports are sorts of things that will 184 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 10: draw investment because the key thing for him has been 185 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 10: about enticing businesses to come to India as opposed to China. 186 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 10: And to bring that money in, but that's not been 187 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 10: evenly spread across India. So you've seen a lot of 188 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 10: spending in certain areas which are like proximate to ports 189 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 10: and so on, but inequality rising and many other parts 190 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 10: of India, so youth unemployment rising in many poorer states, 191 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 10: for example, not a lot of investment going in there. 192 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 10: And so you can see a scenario in a smaller 193 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 10: majority for Modi or even a coalition, where he's going 194 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 10: to be pressed to spread that money a bit more 195 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 10: evenly across India and to invest more in some of 196 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 10: those poorer states where we can see inequality really rising. 197 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 10: And so you could see some of the investment being 198 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 10: shifted to different parts of the country as a result. 199 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 10: And so he could be a bit hamstrung by parliament. 200 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 10: I mean, India's parliament is notoriously rowdy. You know, quite 201 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 10: often you see big disruptions that go on. It takes 202 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,360 Speaker 10: ages for some legislation to get through. So you could 203 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 10: just see that things slow down for Modi in terms 204 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 10: of the pace of which he can get things done. 205 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:41,559 Speaker 3: Can we say or how can we say that this 206 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 3: perhaps vote might reflect the changing opinions of Nerandromodi and India. 207 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 3: He's been criticized during his tenuears and powers seeing an 208 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 3: increasing focus on majority Hindus, attacks against Muslims, and erosion 209 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 3: of India's democratic values. 210 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 10: Well, he's personally incredibly popular. That's interesting thing about India. 211 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,360 Speaker 10: Even as his party or his government gets criticized for, 212 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 10: you know, failing to improve youth employment and so on, 213 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 10: none of it seems to stick to him. 214 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 4: He's a bit like Teflon. 215 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 10: He's one of those leaders where he personally is not 216 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 10: held responsible by most people in India for what's happening there. However, 217 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 10: they do seem to be perhaps holding his party a 218 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 10: bit responsible and individual constituencies and so that's where you 219 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:29,079 Speaker 10: might see some of these votes shift in interesting ways. 220 00:11:29,120 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 10: But as you say, you know, Mody has been criticized 221 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 10: both internally and externally for pushing quite a hard you know, 222 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 10: Hindu nationalist agenda, you know, and that traces back to 223 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 10: Gujarat when he was the Chief Minister in two thousand 224 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 10: and two. We saw the communal violence that happened there, 225 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,599 Speaker 10: and certainly he's been criticized by human rights groups for 226 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,480 Speaker 10: less tolerance of dissent. More broadly, freedom of the press, 227 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:57,560 Speaker 10: the ability to have robust debate in society, and for 228 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 10: potentially encouraging some of that kind of communal tension that 229 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 10: we've seen flare up, and that's been awkward inside India, 230 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 10: but also for allies like the US Western countries that 231 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 10: need India in the tent when it comes to China. 232 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 10: But then can they really criticize mode for human rights 233 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 10: at home? And that's presented them with quite a dilemma. 234 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: Also, Yeah, Wilson, thank you so much for being with us. 235 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg's EMEA News director of Roslyn Matheson so will continue 236 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: to track then as the vote counting continues in India now. 237 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 3: The German sandal maker Birkenstock held its IPO in the 238 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 3: New York Stock Exchange last year. After a decade of 239 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 3: explosive growth, the two hundred and fifty year old brand 240 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:40,479 Speaker 3: has managed to emerge from family squabbles to transform itself. 241 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 4: Into a luxury behemoth. 242 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 3: The CEO, Olivia Reichert, who's the first non Birkinstock family 243 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 3: member to ever run the company, says the brand can 244 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 3: keep up its growth. Bloomberg's Tim Lowe has written a 245 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 3: piece that captures how the orthopedic shoemaker has become an 246 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 3: improbable luxury empire. Tim joins us now, Tim, good morning. 247 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: What is it that makes Berkins distinct? 248 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 4: Then? As a footwear brand? 249 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,679 Speaker 11: It certainly is a distinct brand in terms of the 250 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:10,160 Speaker 11: footwear industry. Two things jump to mind that sort of 251 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 11: set it apart. One, the company has kind of bucked 252 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 11: industry trends over the decades. It still manufactures its own footwear. 253 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 11: It never outsourced a production to lower cost countries in 254 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 11: Asia back in the eighties and nineties, and those factories 255 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 11: are located almost primarily in Germany. There's one small one 256 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 11: in Portugal, but so it still produces basically thirty million 257 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 11: pairs of sandals a year, almost all in Germany. And 258 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 11: it is basically obsessed with what it calls the foot bed, 259 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 11: which is sort of the chunky soul that anyone who's 260 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 11: worn a pair or seen them will instantly recognize, which 261 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 11: is made of quark and latex and has sort of 262 00:13:56,840 --> 00:14:01,319 Speaker 11: been It's the secret sauce for this Stock family. It 263 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 11: was developed over about three generations, and it wasn't until 264 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 11: Carl Birkenstock in the early nineteen sixties sort of took 265 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 11: this platform that his father and grandfather had been tinkering 266 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 11: with since about nineteen hundred and put it on the 267 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 11: bottom of an open toed sandal that the family had 268 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 11: finally put all the pieces together and created a shoe 269 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 11: that they could scale and sell, and it created this 270 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 11: sort of cult classic that you know has had such 271 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 11: a run for the last sixty years or so. 272 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 273 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 3: stories making news from London to Wall Streets and beyond. 274 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, Spotify, 275 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 1: and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 276 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 3: You can also listen live each morning on London Dab Radio, 277 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 3: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 278 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: Our flagship New York station is also a available on 279 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: your Amazon Alexa devices. 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