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Speaker 1: Dirty birds. What's up? Welcome back. We have the first

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Speaker 1: scrimmage of training camp to break down today. The Falcons

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Speaker 1: have their first preseason game of the twenty twenty five

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Speaker 1: season coming up on Friday night. They will take on

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Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions, like everybody's favorite team from last season,

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Speaker 1: so that's fun, fun to watch. They'll take them on

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Speaker 1: at seven o'clock and we will have our first Falcons

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Speaker 1: Final whistle coming Monday to recap you on the game. So, man,

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Speaker 1: we're getting right back into the flow of the regular season.

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Speaker 1: It feels like, and you know, the Falcons are gonna

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Speaker 1: see some big faces out there, I think on Friday night,

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Speaker 1: but there's gonna maybe be some familiar faces that we

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Speaker 1: don't see, Taren, What do we know about who is

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Speaker 1: and is not gonna be playing on Friday.

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Speaker 2: Timeline update on Monday, Marday said that I'm already blanked

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Speaker 2: on names.

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Speaker 3: Your cousins, Michael Pennocks, you know, like the.

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Speaker 2: Two important biggest names. Neither Kirk Cousins nor Michael PENNOCKX

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Speaker 2: Junior will play in Friday's game. That has already been announced,

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Speaker 2: he said it confidently. And then today, as in Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: he did say that rookies will play, but a big

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Speaker 2: takeaway from what he has said about everything in general

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Speaker 2: when it comes to Friday's game is that the decisions

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Speaker 2: aren't exactly finalized besides the two quarterbacks, because they wanted

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Speaker 2: to see what came out of Wednesday's scrimmage before making

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Speaker 2: any decisions, because if someone showed what they needed to,

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Speaker 2: there's no reason to risk an injury.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So today Wednesday, Wednesday was about the guys who

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Speaker 1: we may not end up seeing on Friday. You know,

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Speaker 1: the players that you want to kind of take care

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Speaker 1: of throughout the preseason. You may have high expectations or

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Speaker 1: frankly you've seen enough and like you said, they don't

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Speaker 1: necessarily need to see anymore and they like to protect

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Speaker 1: the guys and prevent that risk of injury. So that

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Speaker 1: is why we saw in a more controlled environment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and Wednesday a really important scrimmage. So, Tory, who stood

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Speaker 3: Think for me what stood out the most right off

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Speaker 3: the bat, very early, and then it continued on through

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Speaker 3: all the entirety of the scrimmage was the fact of

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Speaker 3: how heavily rotated. The first team second safety position was,

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Speaker 3: and the first team nickel slot position was. And I

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Speaker 3: say that, I'm gonna kind of break it down into

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Speaker 3: the two positions. Going into this offseason or this preseason,

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Speaker 3: we knew that the Falcons had some spots up for grab,

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Speaker 3: mainly the starting starting safety position right beside Jesse Bates

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Speaker 3: the third and that nickel spot. Even though d Alford

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Speaker 3: and they're really wanting to challenge d as well as

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Speaker 3: see what happens with Billy Bowman. So we knew that

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Speaker 3: those were two positions of competition. I guess I did

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Speaker 3: early on, you would see the first team defense go

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Speaker 2: Veterans, Yeah, the veterans.

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Speaker 3: That was not the case at all. It and when

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Speaker 3: So for that second safety spot, you had Jordan Fuller,

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Speaker 3: little bit of Mike Cues in there as well early on.

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Speaker 3: So I guess, like for me, I it is one

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Speaker 3: does have a shot to establish themselves at that spot,

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Speaker 3: and it doesn't feel right now, based on what we

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Speaker 2: You gotta see it to believe it, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I do think it makes sense for a

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Speaker 1: give them as much run. Let them either win it

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Speaker 1: I do think not only have we see camp battles,

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Speaker 1: So just like the defensive line, you want to get

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Speaker 1: a lot of cool plays, a lot of big name

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Speaker 1: what was your vibe on this whole practice? Was it

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, my mind is like running one hundred miles

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Speaker 2: So now I'm like, it's like the matrix in my

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know. Necessarily, I think there were

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Speaker 3: I thought that very early on. I felt the offense

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Speaker 3: this deep ball to Ray Ray McLeod down the right

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Speaker 1: How much can he zoom in We're gonna find Well, that's.

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Speaker 3: Gonna be the question. But this was me when that

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Speaker 2: Her cheeks are like puffed out, that is.

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Speaker 1: It's the It's like literally just like that's what it was.

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Speaker 3: It was because it was like so it was so

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Speaker 3: that's it was the most beautiful throw that like, and

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Speaker 3: Arch I showed him that picture and You're like, that's hilarious,

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Speaker 1: Boom, Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 1: It was big play, big.

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Speaker 3: Play, and then they kind of got into it and

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Speaker 3: But overall, I I agree with kind of y'all where

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Speaker 3: it was like every each unit had their moments, and

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Speaker 3: even young Way, who I think made like a fifty yarder,

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Speaker 3: so like even special teams were on one today he

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even like after that first big play to to

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Speaker 1: we've done all this talking about the rookies, and we've done,

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Speaker 1: To me, Leonard Floyd is going to be the newcomer

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Speaker 1: we've just kind of like not talked about him a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and we've only talked about him. I feel like

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Speaker 3: in the context of what he can be for James

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Speaker 1: Right, Right, we have a veteran role player, right.

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Speaker 3: And like how he can help him, how he can

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Speaker 3: Leonard Floyd is someone who has had eight, nine, ten

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he still got it. Like here's so much

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Speaker 1: watching him and he's been doing things where he's in

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Speaker 1: position to make the play, but he also understands the like,

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Speaker 1: right now, the rep is the most important thing. So

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna let the pass get completed to Baijan even

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Speaker 1: can actually make the play. And he did that right

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Speaker 1: off the jump. And if the Falcons start Week one

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Speaker 1: Floyd picking off Baker and taking at the distance, I mean,

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Speaker 1: what better? What better way to start the season than that.

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Speaker 3: You'll hear no complaints from me.

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Speaker 1: Did anybody else have any defensive standouts that we want

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Speaker 4: games when Smitty was here. But it was good. Today

437
00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 4: was good. I mean from sitting down Raheem at eight

438
00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 4: thirty this morning till right now, it's been a great

439
00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 4: day here.

440
00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 1: You talk about the Mike Smith era, they had some

441
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,560
Speaker 1: classic matchups against the Detroit Lions, the Calvin Johnson Matthew

442
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 1: Stafford era. They're going to be up against the Detroit

443
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,439
Speaker 1: Lions in their first preseason game on Friday. We already

444
00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:47,840
Speaker 1: know that the quarterbacks Michael Pennock Junior Kirk Cousins not

445
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:50,280
Speaker 1: expected to play. We'll be curious to see what the

446
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 1: starters are going to look like. But let's go ahead

447
00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,080
Speaker 1: and kind of look big picture, and I'm going to

448
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,120
Speaker 1: start with the division. Last year, they were right there,

449
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 1: NFC South right at the top. Have they done enough,

450
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:03,040
Speaker 1: in your opinion this offseason kind of get over the

451
00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 1: hump and back into the playoffs.

452
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,120
Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if it's getting over the hump

453
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,639
Speaker 4: means that you're overtake Tampa because I'm not ready to

454
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 4: just to see you can see the division to Tampa

455
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 4: right now. But but they you know, they they had

456
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 4: shootout games with Tampa. They you know, they gave up

457
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:18,640
Speaker 4: a lot of points against them last year. They got

458
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 4: to play better, but I think they're much better defensively.

459
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,240
Speaker 4: I feel like what Jeff Albrich is knowing Jeff, I

460
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,159
Speaker 4: think the players will back him up. They really believe

461
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:32,239
Speaker 4: in what he's doing. And so, uh, you know, you

462
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 4: look at the additions, whether it's Leonard Floyd or the

463
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:39,520
Speaker 4: rookies throughout the defense, whether Xavier Wats or Bowman or

464
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,720
Speaker 4: Jalen you know whatever. Like, I think the infusion of

465
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,760
Speaker 4: youth is good, but some of the veterans they brought

466
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,439
Speaker 4: in are really good in keeping Jesse in the back end,

467
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 4: Like this should be a much improved defense. And then

468
00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,320
Speaker 4: it's a question of can Michael you know, really play

469
00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 4: like a veteran just take care of the football. But

470
00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 4: yet they need to be explosive of offensively and they

471
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 4: need to take their shots and he's got all the

472
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 4: ability to do that. I feel like the Falcons are

473
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 4: being overlooked, maybe because Tampa has just been so consistent,

474
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 4: and we know that the quarterback there has gotten really

475
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:17,800
Speaker 4: good and they got great pieces around him. But they

476
00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 4: were good matchups last year with Tampa. They should be

477
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 4: good matchups this year. But they're better than the Saints

478
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 4: they're better than Carolina, so it should be a two

479
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 4: horse race this year.

480
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 1: What do you expect to see from Michael Pennix Junior

481
00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:32,560
Speaker 1: this year? I mean, obviously, in his three starts last season,

482
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 1: we saw, you know, enough potential I think to get

483
00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,199
Speaker 1: really excited about what he can be. But starting the

484
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 1: course of seventeen games, you have to play with a

485
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 1: level of consistency that you know, a three game sample

486
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,480
Speaker 1: size just isn't enough to have a true level of confidence.

487
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:48,479
Speaker 1: And so what do you expect to see from Michael Pennicks.

488
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:50,399
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan. I'm a huge fan of Michael.

489
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:52,960
Speaker 4: He's got a big arm. Any day you go out

490
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 4: to practice, you know, whether it's a deep ball or

491
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 4: whether it's a stick throw over the middle or swing

492
00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 4: pass to Bijon, Like the guy has great accuracy in touch.

493
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 4: I believe in Michael Penis. Now he's had the whole

494
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 4: off season, you know, unlike last year, he's had. He

495
00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 4: gets every you know, all the reps that he wants

496
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,399
Speaker 4: that he needs, and so now it's a question and

497
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 4: you know he's he's kind of a he leaves in

498
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 4: a different way. He's not real vocal, but that's Okay,

499
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 4: you lead the way that you're built. But I believe

500
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,640
Speaker 4: in Michael. I believe that he's got the talent and

501
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 4: physically he's got the talent, whether it's to elude the

502
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 4: rush take off with it like that guy is an

503
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,920
Speaker 4: elite athlete and he's a very smart kid. Like can

504
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 4: he do what Jayden did last year? I don't know

505
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,960
Speaker 4: if anybody that we're gonna see come in the league

506
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 4: can do what Jayden did last year and continues to do.

507
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 4: But I believe he's he's in that conversation that he's

508
00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 4: got that type of ability. So I think they made

509
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 4: the right move last year. I think this is the

510
00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 4: right move, and now it's question of he's got to

511
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 4: go out there and to your point, he's got to

512
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,120
Speaker 4: be very consistent about.

513
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,360
Speaker 1: It, and he's he's getting plugged into a really ideal situation.

514
00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean, oftentimes a lot of these hydraft picks, they're

515
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: not going to a situation where you have arguably the

516
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: best offensive line in the league. We saw Cayleer McGarry

517
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: get signed to an extension earlier this week. You have

518
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 1: all of the skill weapons you would won. Uh what

519
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 1: do you what have you seen from Drake London. Actually,

520
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,400
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about him in particular. He's

521
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: been somebody We've talked a lot about this this preseason.

522
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: The coaches have said he's a dirty work guy. Uh,

523
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: as a former offensive lineman, Like, how much do you

524
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 1: love to hear that about a wide receiver that he

525
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: loves to come in and shoulder to shoulder with you

526
00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 1: in the trenches.

527
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 4: All I saw him do was catch pass his day,

528
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 4: the ball, Like I don't know, you know, I'm not

529
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,479
Speaker 4: in fantasy football, but I know people are like that

530
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,439
Speaker 4: guy might be targeted more than any other player in

531
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 4: this league this year. Like there's a connection already between

532
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 4: him and Michael Uh. This Drake leunning, Like he's just

533
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 4: amazing to go out there and watch practice. He catches

534
00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 4: every ball and so like he's he's just a talented guy.

535
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 4: He's got a big body, Like there's he's always open.

536
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 4: He's gonna he caught a hundred passes last year. He's

537
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 4: gonna catch more than that this year. He is an

538
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 4: elite player. You know, he might not have the separation

539
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 4: skills that some guys have, but he know he wins

540
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 4: in a different way. Like his size and length It's

541
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 4: really you could put the ball anywhere and he has

542
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 4: the radius to go get it. I'm a big believer.

543
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 4: Anybody out there in the fantasy world looking for wide

544
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 4: receiver number one, don't overlook Drake London.

545
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,199
Speaker 1: No, absolutely not. Darnell Mooney. We saw really mixed splash

546
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: last year too. He's going to be out for the preseason.

547
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: Hopefully he's going to be back for the raiular season.

548
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:31,679
Speaker 1: But another player in the mix Kyle Pitts. He's been

549
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: kind of an enigma here I think the last few seasons.

550
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,679
Speaker 1: What do the Falcons have to do, in your opinion,

551
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 1: to kind of get a consistent weekend, week out production

552
00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 1: from Kyle pits Well.

553
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,640
Speaker 4: I don't know if he is ever going to get

554
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 4: the speed all the way back from the injury, but

555
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 4: that was always a question mark. Can he separate? Can

556
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 4: he you know, can he win his one on ones

557
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 4: with the guys out there?

558
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: Today?

559
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,400
Speaker 4: He had a number of big catches that was encouraging.

560
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,440
Speaker 4: Michael Pennix came to him late over the middle, put

561
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 4: the ball right on the te The hands look really good.

562
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 4: Sometimes you just need to change at that position, you know,

563
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 4: to be to become a part I never felt like

564
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 4: he was put in a position to be a part

565
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 4: of the offense. He always seemed to be an extracurricular piece,

566
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: even with the draft status and his size. It never

567
00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 4: from the very beginning, I didn't feel like he was

568
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 4: a red zone target. I didn't feel he was like

569
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,880
Speaker 4: a guy that they went to on third down. Sometimes

570
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 4: players need that confidence that they're coming to him in

571
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 4: order to emerge. It's never too late for a player

572
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 4: to catch fire and to catch confidence, and I believe

573
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 4: that's been part of the issue right here with Kyle.

574
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: You mentioned the defense talking about how you know they

575
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: could be much improved from this year. A lot of

576
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: that is gonna have to do with the rookie class.

577
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: You said after the draft that you felt the Falcons

578
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: had the best draft class in the group. Why did

579
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:51,720
Speaker 1: you feel that way at the time, and then after,

580
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:53,919
Speaker 1: you know, hearing and learning what you've learned today and

581
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: seeing what you sat there on the field, you know,

582
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: do you still feel that way?

583
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 4: Yeah? I do, because I think Billy Bowman is is

584
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 4: just you know, he's that slot defender that you know

585
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 4: that Brian Branches in Detroit. You go around the league,

586
00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: guys that have just made to play certain positions, like

587
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 4: he's a super competitive guy. I love Xavier Wats coming out.

588
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 4: I don't know what his role is exactly yet to

589
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 4: see how he's gonna get on the field, but I

590
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 4: believe they're gonna everybody plays three safeties in this league,

591
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 4: so I think he's gonna be learning that. You know, look,

592
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 4: the two first round picks. It's one thing to get one,

593
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 4: it's another thing to trade up, you know, tradeing number

594
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:34,479
Speaker 4: one pick next year to get two of them. And

595
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,320
Speaker 4: so it's been an issue here forever trying to find

596
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 4: guys that can get to the quarterback and affect the quarterback.

597
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,919
Speaker 4: And you have to have that. You can't just scheme

598
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 4: guys open, and so you need guys that can win

599
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: one on ones. And I believe that they finally have

600
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 4: guys that have that ability. Now. Generally pass rushers need

601
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 4: a red shirt year to figure it out, but I

602
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 4: have a feeling Number twenty seven is kind of advanced

603
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,680
Speaker 4: right now. It might be he contribute right now. Yeah.

604
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: James Fierce Junior has really been kind of the talk

605
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 1: of training camp. He's he's given the offensive line and

606
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: run for their money week in week out, and veteran

607
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: like Jake Matthews. You know, I don't know if I've

608
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: seen him work as hard in a training camp in

609
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: a while. What what do you expect? I mean, you

610
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: just said that red shirt year can be beneficial. But

611
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 1: when you have traits the ability to win right off

612
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: the ball, and that's what Jeff Holbrick is going to

613
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: try to unleash. Is that a path to early results

614
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,120
Speaker 1: for James p Yeah? Yeah.

615
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 4: I mean if you look look, Jared Versus was the

616
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:31,920
Speaker 4: defensive player of the year last year, he was first

617
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:35,639
Speaker 4: round pick defensive end. Like, they're totally different players. But

618
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: I would say that, you know, James like he's already

619
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 4: getting underneath people's skin out there. You know, he's already

620
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 4: being irritant, you know, which you know you need that,

621
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 4: you need that personality, you know, jalens quiet, He goes

622
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 4: about his business in a different way. I saw him

623
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 4: at Sack Summit with Von Miller and Max Crosby. Told

624
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 4: me a lot about him, that he was out there

625
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 4: trying to learn from some of these guys at the

626
00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: end of June when he could have been enjoying himself someplace.

627
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 4: So he looks like he's a serious student, he does

628
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 4: it in a different way. But look the whole group EBA, KT,

629
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 4: you know, Floyd, Like they've been drafting guys now for

630
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 4: a while, Like you've got to find guys that can

631
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 4: win one on ones and bring heat off the edge.

632
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 4: It doesn't always have to be a sack. It can

633
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 4: be flushing a quarterback, affecting a quarterback, moving a quarterback.

634
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 4: And I feel like James his length. I remember just

635
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 4: watching him at the Combine this year when he blew

636
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 4: that I don't know what he ran at four or

637
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 4: five two whatever, it was something crazy, two hundred and

638
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 4: fifty pounds. Like he has all the measurables and the talent.

639
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 4: Now it's a question of Okay, let's start building the

640
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:42,680
Speaker 4: repertoire of plays because these these tackles in this league

641
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 4: are getting more difficult to beat, and so I want

642
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 4: to see what he can do against the elite guys

643
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 4: right now.

644
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's something I'm fascinated about as well. And it's why,

645
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, I asked him. He's going up against Kayla McGary,

646
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: then Jake Matthews, then Storm Norton, you know, then a

647
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: bunch of different people. And as he's starting to refine

648
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,800
Speaker 1: a plan while going up against different styles, or is

649
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 1: he you know, just working on his natural.

650
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 4: Well than just his natural abilities right now? Exactly, he

651
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 4: needs a plan.

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Speaker 1: So somebody who had a plan a lot last year

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Speaker 1: at least in terms of pass rushing was Kaden Ellis.

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Speaker 1: He was incredibly efficient when used in that way. I

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Speaker 1: think he was a big reason the Falcons turned their

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Speaker 1: pass rush around after the bye week. I mean, where

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Speaker 1: do you think he kind of is he the perfect

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Speaker 1: type of middle linebacker for today's INFL because you know,

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Speaker 1: it kind of feels like him and Zach Bond, they're

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Speaker 1: they're in a little bit of that mold of do everything,

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Speaker 1: and that's what defensive coordinators are looking for.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean everybody. You can't line up against Joe

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Speaker 4: Burrow or Lamar Jackson. You can't line up against these

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Speaker 4: guys and just give them the same look. You just can't.

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Speaker 4: You've got to come from different You've got to give

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Speaker 4: them one thing and show them another thing. You've got

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Speaker 4: to keep them guessing. If they know what to snap,

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Speaker 4: what you're going to do, or have a pretty good

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Speaker 4: general consensus what you're going to do, they're going to

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Speaker 4: carve you up and so whether that's a modern day

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Speaker 4: thing or not, these guys are so good at the

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Speaker 4: pre snap reads right now that you've got to make

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Speaker 4: them think all the way up into the you know,

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Speaker 4: the shotgun snap or the snap and so I'm I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna and Jeff Waldbrick has that ability to do it,

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Speaker 4: and so Kayden fits that kind of a role right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to ask you about that reunion of

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Speaker 1: Jeff Wulbrick and Raheem Morris. It is something where I

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Speaker 1: think their familiarity and their year of working together in

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Speaker 1: an interim capacity, you know, will pay immediate dividends for Atlanta.

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Speaker 1: You know, what do you think that could look like here?

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Speaker 4: Well, I imagine that when things you know, got turned

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Speaker 4: around in New York that that phone call to Jeff

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Speaker 4: was pretty quick. And then just talking to Jesse Bates

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Speaker 4: today and some other guys like they, it's they They've

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Speaker 4: always said, it's gonna be night and day different from

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Speaker 4: last year. It's not to knock anybody that was here

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Speaker 4: last year. Jeff Oldbrook is a very passionate, creative defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 4: I've seen him when he was with the Jets down

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Speaker 4: his top three corner Sauce Gardner, DJ Reid, you know,

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Speaker 4: their slot defender, and they beat the Eagles with AJ

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Speaker 4: Brown and DeVante Smith, and he had guys off to

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Speaker 4: literally a practice squad playing corner and he came up

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Speaker 4: with the game plan where they took it away a

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Speaker 4: bunch of times that day to beat the Eagles. And

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Speaker 4: he just looked at me before the game, like, what

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Speaker 4: would you like? He had a plan, And so that

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Speaker 4: kind of made me believe that, Okay, we're gonna build

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Speaker 4: this defense about who we have and who's available, and

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Speaker 4: then we'll figure out what we're gonna do. But we'll

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Speaker 4: give him everything right now to learn it. And so

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Speaker 4: I think that you're gonna see some you know, game

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Speaker 4: to game game planning from Jeff this year, which is

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Speaker 4: going to be what you have to do in this business.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, buddy, that's all I got for you. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for taking a time to speak to our listeners.

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Speaker 1: It was a pleasure to have you on.

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Speaker 4: Thank you have me on again. Like, I want to

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Speaker 4: see if any of these things I'm saying come true.

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Speaker 1: All right, of course we'll have to do a media

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Speaker 1: check in with you.

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Speaker 4: Let's check in later.

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Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you again,