1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another episode of The Hunting Collective. 2 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm been O'Brien as always, but this is a brand 3 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: new show and a brand new time. It's gonna be 4 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: weird for a while. Um. Because of COVID nineteen, the 5 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: coronavirus has shut down major parts of our society, parts 6 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: of our country. And so here we are living in 7 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,440 Speaker 1: in what my friend Joe Rogan would call strange times, 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: strangest health times, and and we're all going through at 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: to some level. You know, here at Meat Eater, here 10 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: at the company I work for that that the hostess 11 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: helps me host this podcast. We have a lot of 12 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 1: employees that you know and love that are on this 13 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: show and on other shows that are quarantined at their homes, 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: unable to come into work, unable to do the work 15 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: that they do every day. Um. This company has has 16 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: has banned us from traveling, and that's the right thing 17 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: to do. UM. A lot of our live shows for 18 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: for the month of April especially and March are getting canceled. 19 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 1: Hopefully that we can reschedule those for all of you 20 00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 1: that wanted to come see the crew live and in color. 21 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: But I think all those are the right things to do. 22 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: There is a lot of fear, a lot of uncertainty, 23 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: a lot of confusion, a lot of people wanting to 24 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: control things. And I think we all know how that feels, 25 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,560 Speaker 1: and I certainly know how that feels. So I take 26 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: all of that very seriously, to say the least. And 27 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: I think the measures that this, this organization is that 28 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: company has taken, and many other companies like it have taken, 29 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: and then that we've taken as a country on a 30 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: national level, are appropriate. I feel that they are appropriate, 31 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: But they're also kind of scary, and they change everything 32 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: and they make us feel um, make us just feel different. 33 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: And so maybe every morning what this show can do. 34 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: We're because we're gonna go daily until this damn thing 35 00:01:43,200 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: gets normalized. We're just gonna do a daily podcast. We're 36 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: gonna talk hunting stories, We're gonna talk with great guests. 37 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna have laughs, we're gonna make jokes, we're gonna 38 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: have contests. We're gonna be as normal as we can 39 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: within the time you're listening to this show. Because everything 40 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: else is gonna seem crazy around you, feel free to 41 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: come here and hang out with us. We're gonna have 42 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: a good time. Phill the engineers at home with his family. 43 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: He's also on quarantine or working from home, and it's 44 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: gonna be uh. We'll try to check in with him, 45 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 1: make sure we get him on the phone a couple 46 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: of times this week and see what he's up to 47 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: saying with Steve Ronella, Yanni pitel Us, other people within 48 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: our our group that we gotta call check up on 49 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 1: and make sure they're good, make sure they're still having 50 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: a good time wherever they may be. So that's th 51 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: HC Daily Quarantine Podcast. That's what you're gonna hear every 52 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 1: single morning from Monday to Friday until this freaking thing 53 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 1: is over. We're gonna go hard and we're gonna make 54 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: some good content, so hopefully you stick around with us. 55 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: The last thing I'll say before we get into our 56 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: guest today is let's use this time to come together. 57 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: Let's use this time to understand what binds us, not 58 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 1: what drives us apart. There's some in the media, there's 59 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: some out there on social media as well that would 60 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:56,560 Speaker 1: like to tell you that that this is a time 61 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: to point fingers, this is the time to blame, This 62 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: is the time to retreat into your ideological corners. I 63 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 1: don't believe it's that time at all. I'm going to 64 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: focus on my community, my family, the people around me, 65 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: the people I love, and the people that I can affect. 66 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna do that with as much positivity and 67 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: sensibility and pragmatism as I possibly can. It's good, it's hard. 68 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: As I said, it's confusing. It feels like this, there's 69 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: just a danger in the air. It's just everything just 70 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: feels different. Um. But if we all get if we'll 71 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: hunker down, do what we need to do, have a 72 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 1: good time on this podcast, it'll be over as soon 73 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: as we know it. We'll be back to Turkey season, 74 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: we'll be back to picking Morrel's, we'll be back to 75 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: doing the things that we love to do. And luckily 76 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: going outside it's probably not going to be something that 77 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: they ban ever, So hunting is the way to go, 78 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: all right. This episode, my buddy Sam Sohol you've heard him. 79 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: He's the public landbus guy. I've known him for years 80 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,120 Speaker 1: and one of my best friends on the Earth. We're 81 00:03:57,160 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: gonna tell hunting stories. We're gonna talk shit. We're gonna 82 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,119 Speaker 1: tell you about the time we went to British Columbia 83 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:07,000 Speaker 1: with Joe Rogan, we ate roll Heart. We watched Joe 84 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: chase moose on by his simply his feet, trying to 85 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: run towards the moose I had just killed, and a 86 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 1: bunch of other things. We shot a cover for a magazine. 87 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: It was a hell of a time. We got drunk 88 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: on spiced rum. What a great time in British Columbia. 89 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 1: Enjoyed that story with my buddy Sam soho right now, 90 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: what's up Samuel? You know, not a whole lot, just 91 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 1: you know, enjoying a cup of coffee on a Sunday morning. Well, 92 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: welcome to uh first ever th HC Quarantine Daily Podcast. 93 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:51,680 Speaker 1: I'm excited. I get to be the one that kicks 94 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: it off. You're you're the one that kicks it off. 95 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 1: And uh this is where I'm just stuck in the 96 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 1: podcast studio alone because fills it at home with his family. 97 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm out here. It's just I'm just gonna podcast like 98 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: a telethon for the next however long it takes, however 99 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 1: for anything. Are you talk? No? Uh, no, I don't. 100 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm just behind my own white claw and that's it. 101 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: So here, I'll open I already told you I was 102 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,480 Speaker 1: drinking when I'm gonna have a second have a second one? 103 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know everybody. I feel like everybody at 104 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: this point in time, it's got to be feeling a 105 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: little bit of anxiety. Um oh yeah. Even as confident 106 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: as a person I am, Like if I get sick 107 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: and I go, oh well, um, I still feel like 108 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 1: just the level of insecurity and anxieties at a peak. 109 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: Where are you at with that? Yeah? No, I'm right 110 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: in the same boat. Like I uh, like every year 111 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: this time, at this time of year, like when the 112 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: season's changed, I typically get like a pretty decent chest cold, 113 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,520 Speaker 1: Like it just happens. I know what's coming at some point. Um. 114 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: And so that started on Tuesday, Like I started to 115 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 1: get a cold, and I was like, man, I like 116 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: I've got travel plans and stuff, like I'm not really 117 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: worried about me, but like if I get on a 118 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,599 Speaker 1: plane and cough, I'm worried, like people are gonna like 119 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: point a finger at me and like pushed me out 120 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:13,000 Speaker 1: of the way or something. It's just a weird like 121 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: you just start to think about stuff that irrationally. Yeah, 122 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: it's a weird time. And it has as like I said, 123 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,600 Speaker 1: as as Mr Rogan says, who will speak about here 124 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: in a moment um yep, at our first meeting of 125 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: that that fellow, as he said, strange times. It's just 126 00:06:28,440 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: strange times. My wife and I and son sons went 127 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: to Barnes and Noble last night to get some puzzles 128 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 1: and games and books and such, and it was just 129 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: like a vibe of weird people around, Like people were 130 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: just like taking a wide berth. It's like, especially I 131 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: think little kids, um were normally people be like, oh 132 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 1: a little kid, I'll get my high five and just 133 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: you just still. So it's it's it is the weirdest 134 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: of times. Um. But as I said earlier, is long 135 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: for you and I as long as it does in 136 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: Pete our Turkey season, which it probably won't because we 137 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: can just go outside. Yeah it shouldn't and most mostly 138 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,600 Speaker 1: because we'll be driving everywhere, um for Turkey season, which helps. 139 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 1: That's true. Yeah, I canceled my Texas trip, which is 140 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 1: a sad, sad moment, but I had to do it. Um. 141 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: So now I'm thinking of all I'm gonna I'm coming 142 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: to your if you're in the West, I'm coming to 143 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: your state. Turkey hunt. I'm not just staying in Montana 144 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 1: spreading spreading it out have to. Well, yeah, the nice 145 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: thing about beating Montana is if you wanted to, you 146 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: could kill whatever five birds there, which you know, ye 147 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:36,239 Speaker 1: without leaving. I figured, you know, my ten bird goal, 148 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: which I'll I've kind of resigned to always having and 149 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: maybe never achieving. Um, you know, like Charles Barkley trying 150 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: to get NBA title, Let's it's not gonna I'm gonna 151 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: keep trying. I'm gonna keep saying it, but it's it's 152 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: probably never gonna happen. Um. I figure, if I could 153 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:56,080 Speaker 1: get five in Montana, if I could get one in 154 00:07:56,240 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: South Dakota to in Nebraska, two in a again, I 155 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: got ten right there. Yeah that's true. So numbers wise, 156 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: it's a piece of cake on paper. It's a piece 157 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: of cake. And that's it. Um yeah, all right, Well 158 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: you know what we should talk about before we get 159 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: into anything else. Well, well, two things we got to 160 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: talk about. One the public land van. You just got 161 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: this thing. You were just in town, hung out a 162 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: little bit. You got this thing wrapped. First, we should say, 163 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: just in case no one knows who Sam is, I 164 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:32,839 Speaker 1: should say, like who you are, what you did with 165 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: the bus, and then what's going on with the van. Yeah. 166 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: So I've been on the podcast before, but I'm Sam 167 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,760 Speaker 1: as the whole. I've been kind of a major public 168 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 1: land advocate over the last few years. Uh, and that 169 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: included turning an old school bus into my rolling hunting 170 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: shack and using it as a billboard to raise awareness 171 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:54,079 Speaker 1: about public land issues. And over the last six months 172 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 1: have um kind of transitioned from the bus into something 173 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more mobile, which is a fifteen passenger 174 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: Chevy Express van which has been converted to four wheel 175 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 1: drive and uh we yeah, we just had it out 176 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: in Bozeman and got the exterior wrapped, um kind of 177 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: the same color scheme as the bus, just a little 178 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 1: bit different lines. And the next step is to uh 179 00:09:17,160 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: do the interior build out and then obviously more accessories 180 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: and stuff on the exterior, but basically creating a mini 181 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,840 Speaker 1: version of the public Land bus and using it as 182 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:30,959 Speaker 1: the public Land van public Land van. Yeah, we hunted 183 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:32,719 Speaker 1: out of the public Land van when it was more 184 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: just like we did just like a van at that point. Yeah, yeah, right, 185 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: you were, and you were the you were the first 186 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: guest in van. So it's still yeah, still had all 187 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: the carpet and the paneling and everything inside. So yeah, 188 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: at least I slept on the ground. Yeah it was 189 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,959 Speaker 1: four wheel drive. But that's about it. Well, I'm looking 190 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 1: forward to all the crazy things you're gonna do to 191 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: it and then, um, what other plans with the van 192 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: anything else? Just uh yeah, just getting the build out 193 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: done and then um, kind of using that to spend 194 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,920 Speaker 1: time on public land and document all the adventures and uh, 195 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: continue to raise awareness and raise dollars for conservation and 196 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: public land protection. Well here's something we both attended a 197 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: rally for when you were here for the Land and 198 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: Water Conservation Fund, and I said for THHC Quarantine Daily. 199 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 1: We were just gonna just gonna not We're not gonna 200 00:10:23,679 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: get political or controversial. We're just gonna have a good time. 201 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 1: But I feel like I feel like the land or 202 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: Conservation Fund as it is now and the bill that's 203 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:36,320 Speaker 1: going around S three four two two, um, aren't political. 204 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 1: We should just it's it's nothing to get upset about. 205 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 1: This is something we at all gather around, right, Yeah, Yeah, 206 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: I think it's something that everybody needs to needs to 207 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: hear about two if if they are haven't already. I mean, 208 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,199 Speaker 1: it's a pretty pretty amazing bill that's that's going to 209 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: be rolling through the Senate here. Okay, well, I'll I 210 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: can handle the bill. You tell people land our conservation phone. 211 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: What the hell is that thing? Sure? So? Land Water 212 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,840 Speaker 1: Conservation Fund was started in ninety four and it was 213 00:11:05,920 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: basically it's a royalty fund, or it's a fund that's 214 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: generated primarily up based off the royalties of offshore oil exploration. 215 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: So it's um Basically, they thought, um, you know, because 216 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: we're extracting one resource, we want to invest some of 217 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,679 Speaker 1: that money back into protecting other resources. And so they 218 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: passed into law that each year the Land and Water 219 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: Conservation Fund could be funded up to million dollars a year. 220 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: And then though that money goes to the entire nation 221 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 1: and used for things like fishing access points, hunting access 222 00:11:41,160 --> 00:11:46,079 Speaker 1: but above and beyond that, ball fields, parks, soccer fields, 223 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean, like you name it. There's the cool thing 224 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: about the LWCF is every single county in the nation 225 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: has benefited from those dollars coming out of that fund. Yeah, 226 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: it's kind of it's such a by it's by Parson 227 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 1: even in its idea, right, the idea that if you 228 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,559 Speaker 1: lean left and you and you really don't you're against 229 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,840 Speaker 1: extraction or against um mining and those types of things, 230 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 1: fracking all all that. Let's say you like lean that 231 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: way while this is taking this is making sure that 232 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: even though we're doing these things off shore, we're taking 233 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: that money and plug it back into our system. We'll 234 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 1: probably get back to into our communities to make our 235 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: communities better. So you lean the other way, So you 236 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: lean right and you're into this stuff. Well, this this 237 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: is one way to to to go back and justify 238 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 1: what's going on and with these offshore oil rigs and 239 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: off shore oil drilling to say, like the royalties here 240 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 1: being passed back to the American people. So either way 241 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: you lean, we I can paint this as a positive 242 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:48,560 Speaker 1: for for the way you approach these issues. Um and 243 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: So this thing hasn't really ever been funded, as it 244 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: is so explain to people how kind of how funding 245 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: might work. And the fact that this thing has only 246 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: once I believe it's been fully funded. Yeah yeah, so, 247 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: like I said before, it can be funded up to 248 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: nine million a year, but I'm pretty sure that has 249 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,160 Speaker 1: only happened once, maybe twice in in the last fifty 250 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: six years. I think maybe something like that. I can't remember, 251 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: but I think it was once, is what they said 252 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: at the rally. So, um, yeah, so it's only been 253 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 1: funded once, which basically is, you know, it leaves a 254 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: lot of people in limbo when you don't know exactly 255 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: how much money is going to be coming from the 256 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: fund each year. Um. And so you know, about a 257 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:37,000 Speaker 1: month ago they had proposed to cut that even more, 258 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:39,400 Speaker 1: you know, up to nine seven per cent, and so 259 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 1: the LBCF would have only been funded roughly fifteen million 260 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: a year instead of the nine million that it could 261 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: be funded. And then obviously I'll let you take it 262 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: over about what S thirty two does, um, which was 263 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:58,440 Speaker 1: a complete one eighty for the administration in a good way. Yeah. Yeah, 264 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: I mean when we hear me need to report that 265 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: Trump President Donald Trump. If you're not when I say Trump, 266 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: if you're not a worker, I'm talking about President Donald J. 267 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: Trump is a j Trump Yeah, um, tweeted support of 268 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: the LWCF. You know, Number one, it's nice to see 269 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: the President of the United States acknowledging things that we 270 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: care deeply about. Number One, like that alignment is wonderful. Um. 271 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 1: At this point, you know, the thing to fight for 272 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: for the LWCF is that full funding that you mentioned, right. So, 273 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of Senators bipartisan showing this bipartisan solidarity that 274 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: that you rarely see. Senators Mansion from West Virginia, Gardner 275 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: from Colorado, Warner from Virginia. Those folks are all Um Democrat, 276 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: Republican Democrat, Danes from Montana here in Montana, Heinrich from 277 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: New Mexico, and Portman from Ohio. Introduced this Great American 278 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: Outdoors Act, which is is more beautifully known as S 279 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 1: three four two two. And that's that's something you should 280 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: all remember. And I start for you say it does 281 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: some things, but it's simply when it in terms of 282 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: the LBCF, it would it would fully fund FISCO year 283 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: nine million dollars annually for that LBCF. It would appropriate 284 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: all nine million dollars of that to what we just 285 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: talked about, two parks, two ball fields, to fishing access sites, 286 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: to hunting Easeman's to all the things that that we 287 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: know and love from just a from hunting angling level, 288 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: but also just to our personal lives. My kid plays 289 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: in a park in Bozeman called the Dinosaur Park that 290 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,359 Speaker 1: was funded by the LWCF. So it stretches well across, 291 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: but I would think even just as big. This is 292 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: another thing that this does that's been a huge issue 293 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 1: for conservation and public lands for a long time. It 294 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 1: provides one point nine million billion dollars at one point 295 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: nine billion dollars annually through to address this backlog, this 296 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 1: maintenance backlog that's happening in our national parks are through 297 00:15:56,200 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: the US for Service and our public lands and the 298 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: US Fish and Wildlife Service BLM on state lands, there's 299 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: just a maintenance backlog and you're talking about falling down buildings, restrooms, roads, trails, 300 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: everything that needs repaired. There's been this huge backlog and 301 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 1: been one of the things that I've talked about with 302 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 1: the folks at b h A a a lot in our 303 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: our meetings and conversations. And so that's what s fort 304 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: S for two two would would essentially provide roughly I 305 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: mean two point eight billion dollars for conservation. That's what 306 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: it would do. It's pretty amazing. It's pretty amazing to 307 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: see that dollar amount on an annual basis fiscally put 308 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 1: into too conservation and to see Republicans and Democrats all 309 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 1: cheering for it, right, Um, and you posted a lot 310 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: of things about what what can people do to support 311 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 1: this bill? Yeah, so there's a couple of different things. Um. 312 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: You know, if you go to the b h A website, 313 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: obviously they have links where you can email your senators directly. 314 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: If you don't want to go through the anguish of 315 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 1: looking up a link, you can dial I'll just look 316 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: it up right here. Um. You can actually call directly 317 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: the US Senate at two oh two to two four 318 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 1: three one to one, and it takes you to basically 319 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: operator and then you can ask to talk to your 320 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: state senator and you can leave a message and just 321 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: basically encourage your senators to vote yes on Senate bill. 322 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: Give me that number again, Give me that number again. Yeah, yeah, 323 00:17:28,240 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 1: two zero two to two four three one to one 324 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 1: to one. All right, when we get off the phone 325 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,040 Speaker 1: with you, since I've ben to be locked in here, 326 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:40,679 Speaker 1: I want to call that number and while we're recording, 327 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: we're going to leave a message. Yea. And it's and 328 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: it's super easy. I mean, it's uh, yeah, it's it's 329 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: I called last week and left messages from my senators 330 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: and just made sure that they knew, you know, how 331 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: I felt about the issue, and just wanted them to vote. Yes. 332 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: It's it's simple. I mean, typically you're not going to 333 00:17:57,960 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: end up talking directly to your senator. You're going to 334 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: talk to an AID or or somebody you know, a secretary. Um. 335 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's still they keep track of all 336 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: of those calls and they know that when you know, 337 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: for every person that either sends an email or makes 338 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: a phone call, you know, there's another thousand of us 339 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,240 Speaker 1: out there that are thinking the same thing. Yeah, and 340 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 1: we feel like from a from just a block and 341 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: the tackling level, will this thing get passed? It feels 342 00:18:21,440 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 1: really good. It's got to buy the bi part support 343 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: from a number of senators. It only needs I think 344 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: six more senators to sign on for for it to 345 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: get pushed through, you know, relatively unchallenged. Um, it seems 346 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: like the President will sign it with no problem at all. 347 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: Must like the public Lands package we discussed on this 348 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 1: podcast you know last year. Um, this seems like something 349 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: that could fly through the House and the Senate, you know, 350 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: And to be perfectly honest, like it's I feel like 351 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: both sides could really use a win at you know, 352 00:18:51,359 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: at the moment, and this this is certainly a win. Yeah. 353 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:56,600 Speaker 1: And we're only in a good spot for our community 354 00:18:56,600 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: when we when we become the win for politicians, when 355 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: we have spoken up enough and gotten behind something that 356 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 1: is uniquely American to the point where we are seeing 357 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: is something that you know, the things we care about, 358 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: UM allow politicians from both sides of the out to coalesce. Uh. 359 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: It's it's I think that's a bigger thing than most 360 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 1: of us could ever understand. It's huge. It's huge for conservation, 361 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: huge republic lands. I hope it stays this way forever. 362 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: But but you and I and everyone else that thinks 363 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: like us are going to continue to push and push 364 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: and push and push, because that's the only way it 365 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: will stay that way. You know, It's the only way 366 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: that we're gonna get what we want. I if we 367 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 1: call these senators, we call our congressmen, and we tell 368 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,160 Speaker 1: them this is what we want, go do it for us. Yeah, 369 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: you know, And I was having a conversation with somebody 370 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: about it, UM a couple of days ago, and just 371 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: the just the fact that that you know, if this 372 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: all goes through and dollars for the lbcf IS is 373 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 1: funded fully like the amount of other dollars that can 374 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 1: be leveraged off of knowing that that full amount is 375 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: going to be there. I mean, it really doubles the 376 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: triples or quadruples the amount of conservation dollars that go 377 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: back into it from matched funds from other organizations, state dollars, 378 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: you know, different avenues that that people will match for 379 00:20:12,080 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: certain projects. Yeah, yeah, it's it's these things have have 380 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: a way of becoming grounds well and also just just 381 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: for all of us, you know, even in a political sphere, 382 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: to point to this thing is like this is you 383 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: know along with this, this really reminds you of of Pittman, Robertson, 384 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: Dingle Johnson, those type of things, like we are taking 385 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 1: the funds, these the funds that we're collecting, and we 386 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: are driving them to a local level and doing good 387 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 1: for conservation. UM. It's a very similar concept and one 388 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 1: that's worked well with both both these legislations for for 389 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 1: decades and so UM we have right now fifty six centers. 390 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: I just wanted to look that up. Fifty six centers, 391 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: which is a more a majority of the US Senate. 392 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: UM on this bill, and so we need to convince 393 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:58,120 Speaker 1: the rest of them so we don't have to have 394 00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,639 Speaker 1: the way, we don't have to worry about We do 395 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: not have to worry about this going through one way 396 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: or the other. And so we'll leave that behind. Just 397 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: while you're you're quarantined, while you're sitting around, this is 398 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: something to think about. It's all positive. As I said before, 399 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: no matter how you what you think UM about you know, 400 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,439 Speaker 1: public lands, or what you think about politics, this is 401 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: something that we can all come together around. And this 402 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: is a great time to come together around anything, UM. 403 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: And so look look up that and we'll at some 404 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 1: point later in THHD Daily Quarantine. I probably won't call today, 405 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: and now I realized it's Sunday, Um, nobody's gonna be there. 406 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe call tomorrow. But we're gonna call 407 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,400 Speaker 1: that number. We're gonna leave a message here on the show, 408 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: and we're gonna see who we can talk to UM 409 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: and see how far we get. But it would encourage 410 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: every everybody to take a few minutes do the same thing. 411 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: All right now, now, Sam, have we I think we've 412 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: probably talked about while recording a podcast story, we're about 413 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: to tell. I can't imagine we haven't covered we have 414 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: most we've covered it, but but I think it's been 415 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:10,919 Speaker 1: very like briefly, I think, yeah, yeah, we covered a 416 00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,119 Speaker 1: little bit of this. We laughed about it in the 417 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: context of other conversations. We've never really sat down and 418 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: just straight up told the whole story. And we didn't. 419 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: We didn't like confer on this beforehand. Uh well, I'd 420 00:22:23,040 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: be interested to see how we remember it, if we 421 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 1: remember the same remember the same way, or based on 422 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: that what was that spice rum we were drinking spice box, 423 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: based on the how much spice box we consumed, whether 424 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: even we remember parts of it at all. Uh yeah. 425 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: So I want to start kind of at the end 426 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: um because I watched a show called This Is Us. 427 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,239 Speaker 1: If anybody watched that show, it makes me cry all 428 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,200 Speaker 1: the time. But they bounce around in time. So that's 429 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do as we tell these hunting stories 430 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: on the TC Daily Quarantine podcast. I want to start 431 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 1: with the moment that you looked up out of the truck. 432 00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:02,959 Speaker 1: I think you were probably in the truck. It might 433 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: have been gotten out at this point. You looked up 434 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: and you saw famous comedian host of Fear Factor podcaster 435 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan running down a muddy road in British Columbia 436 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:20,159 Speaker 1: with his sicken jacket flapping in the breeze as he 437 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:26,919 Speaker 1: sprinted toward a freshly fallen freshly fallen bullness. So, in 438 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 1: preparation for this podcast, I uh, I pulled up the 439 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: original um like, I went back into on an old 440 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: hard drive that I have all these photos on, and 441 00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: I pulled up all whatever photos that I shot that week, 442 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 1: and that was one of the first ones I was 443 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 1: looking for, was when Rogan was literally sprinting down the road. Yep, 444 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,359 Speaker 1: there it is right there. I remember, I remember that. 445 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,280 Speaker 1: It just burned in my brain. I just remember, like 446 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: his jacket is flapping in the breeze and he's sprinting 447 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: down this road. Yeah, and when when this podcast airs, 448 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: I'm not sure when you're posting it, but I will. 449 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 1: I will re edit this photo and post it and 450 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: push people that way so they can get the rest 451 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: of the story. But yeah, I'll probably bother you to 452 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: We're going to post it a tomorrow morning, Monday, so 453 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: you're looking at this on Monday, I will post I 454 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: will bother you for some some select images from this hunt. 455 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: Will share them up on my social too, Um, because 456 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:24,000 Speaker 1: you just need to see some of the things that 457 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 1: happened on this h But anyway, you're from your perspective, 458 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: you you look up and there goes Joe sprinting. I 459 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: mean that the moose is maybe two yards from our position. 460 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: At this point, there goes Joe. It was I'm glad 461 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: I at least captured one image of it because at 462 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: this point, like we were, you know, it's towards the 463 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: end of the hunt, and so we're driving down the 464 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: road end up spotting two moose. I'm in the back seat, 465 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 1: Joe's in the back seat next to me. You're in 466 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: the front seat. We all stop, everyone bails out of 467 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 1: the truck. Um. You set the moose and then like 468 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: literally the next thing is Joe was sprinting down the road. Yes, 469 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 1: from my from my angle, like we these two moose 470 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: run across our way ahead of us. They get up 471 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: in to our right. You know, this is like a 472 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 1: logging road in the middle of you know, central British Columbia, 473 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: and it's it's at this point it's been a relatively 474 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: tough hunt. It hasn't been what we expected, but when 475 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: we look up and see two bull moose. And at 476 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:31,240 Speaker 1: this point in my life I had laid eyes onto 477 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: that many moose. Um, especially you know, decently mature bull 478 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,600 Speaker 1: moose as these two were. It was a shock of 479 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: all shocks. Our guy in my cockage slams on the brakes. 480 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: I jump out. I'm up down the barbage up the 481 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 1: other side. I'm tracking these bulls. They kind of stop 482 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: out in this meadow. Sorry, I'm burping the white claw. 483 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 1: They stop out in this meadow, and I had I 484 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 1: remember I had a man, I'm forgetting a straight pull 485 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 1: action rifle. Um, I'll think of a Blazar straight pull 486 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: action rifle, and that means the action pulls straight back, 487 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: ejects the cartridge and objects the case, and then you 488 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: push it straight back in. So, man, you can get 489 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: rolling with this thing. So I'm up fully, I'm at 490 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: a standing position. These two moose stopped at like a 491 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: couple hundred yards and I shoot, hit it in the shoulder, 492 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: Rack another round and it almost instantly. Shoot hit it 493 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: in the shoulder again, Rack another round in it's still 494 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:35,400 Speaker 1: kind of up. I shoot again, hit it somewhere high 495 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: in the shoulder of the third time, it falls down. 496 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 1: And by the time I'm able to eject the third 497 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: case and look down the road towards where the bull 498 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 1: was had fallen, there is Joe Rogan who has jumped 499 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: out of the truck. It is now running down the 500 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: road toward towards this moose. And I think later like 501 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: we were like going through images, and he's like, I 502 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,680 Speaker 1: don't know what happened. I just like, I guess I'm running. Yeah, 503 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: I just started I started running. Uh so what from 504 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: your point of view, what happened next? So? Uh, Joe 505 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: sprints down the road and then you and I and 506 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: Mike hop back in the truck and basically just rode 507 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: up to catch up with Joe. And obviously your moose 508 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: was down not too far off the road, and so 509 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,919 Speaker 1: so we uh we ripped down the road. But it 510 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,919 Speaker 1: was kind of later in the afternoon, and since we 511 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: were so close to the moose, we opted to rather 512 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: than quarter like skin it, quarter and out do all 513 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: that stuff. We took a few photos and then we 514 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: cut the moose in half, and then all four of 515 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,959 Speaker 1: us put like loaded it in the pickup and we 516 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: were on the way back to camp. Let me I 517 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 1: have a video of me asking Joe to describe this, 518 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:55,880 Speaker 1: tell a story better bris moose, and I'm gonna give 519 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: you thirty seconds. We're having a good time, laughing, joking. 520 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: All a sudden, Mike goes Holy Ship, two bulls. We 521 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: stop the truck, you jump out. Within ten seconds, the 522 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: first shot goes up, boom, the moose drops. I don't know. 523 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,400 Speaker 1: I might have yelled shoot him again or something. Who 524 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: knows what happened the moose drop. You're you've got this 525 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 1: this crazy guns. You're unloaded, bang bang. You hit him 526 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: about at least three times. You shot about four shots. 527 00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: And then I don't even realize I'm running. I'm halfway 528 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: to the bull. It's down, it's kicking, and I'm halfway there, 529 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I guess I'm running, So I just 530 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 1: keep running. And so I get there. I don't know 531 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: why I was. I guess I wanted to be there 532 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: when it died. I don't know why. So I get 533 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: there and this enormous fucking horse on steroids is lying 534 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: there with two saloon doors grown out of the side 535 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: of the head. And we get there. We we got it. 536 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: We take the organs out that we want. We saw 537 00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: it in half hit at the pieces up, throw it 538 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 1: in the back of the truck, close the tailgate. We're 539 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: back home in an hour and twenty minutes. That that 540 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: description was in the middle of our spice box. Uh experiment. 541 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,880 Speaker 1: I can watch that video forever. I don't know how 542 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: to get that video. I don't only have a video 543 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: on Facebook. I don't know how to get that off 544 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: of Facebook. If I can, I'll post that too. I 545 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: have somebody figured out. But yeah, we this is the 546 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,760 Speaker 1: last the day, I think the day before we leave. Um, 547 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: this is we have just essentially a day left to hunt. 548 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 1: And I we had not seen a branch antler bull 549 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: moose at all before this, and so yeah, we get 550 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:46,920 Speaker 1: up to it. It's it has died kind of in 551 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: a weird spot off the road, and we feel like 552 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,560 Speaker 1: we can just back the truck up to it, cut 553 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,720 Speaker 1: it in half, and all three of us, four of 554 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: us could lift this moose into the back of my cockriage. 555 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: Is you know and struggle like I just do you 556 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: remember like when we were gutting that thing, do you 557 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 1: remember how big? Like so those two balls were standing 558 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: basically in a in an old clear cut, and so 559 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: it was like half growth pine and they were eating 560 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: the tops off of all of those pine trees. And 561 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember how big the stomach 562 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,880 Speaker 1: was in that thing when we pulled it out, but 563 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: it was like it was like an extra large physio 564 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: ball full of those pine needle tops or pine tree tops. 565 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: It was insane, like I'll never forget that, I'll never know. 566 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 1: And I remember pulling the organs out and just being 567 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: you know, and for me, I had never I don't 568 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: know if you at that point I ever killed, but 569 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: i'd never shut him. I did not, and I had 570 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: I had been traveled around and killed a lot of 571 00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: big game animals at that point. Even then, it's five 572 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: five years ago. According to this Facebook post, I was 573 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 1: just looking at five years ago. Um had to be 574 00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 1: more than that six years ago now, And yep. And 575 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: so at this point, I never I so I was. 576 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: And we're talking a central Central Canada or Central British 577 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:11,480 Speaker 1: Columbia movie. This is we're not talking to Yukon moves here. Um, 578 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: this is a totally different animal. But even even then, 579 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 1: to me, this is a giant, a giant giant bull. 580 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: And I just I just remember being as as you 581 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 1: can hear from Joe's voice, we were all just kind 582 00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 1: of like that just happened. That happened. And even on 583 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: the ride back, I remember just like that did we 584 00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: have two halves of a moose in the back of 585 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: the truck. It was one of those things and had 586 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,320 Speaker 1: gone by that quickly, and that was kind of I 587 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: think we just keep going because I we'll get to 588 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: exactly how this all came to be here soon. But 589 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: so we get back in the truck, as Joe said, there, um, 590 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 1: thanks Joe for joining the podcast. I guess your will. Um, 591 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: And an hour and twenty minutes, we're back home, back 592 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: to the little house. We're staying on this little homestead 593 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: with Mike Cocker, who's our guide. Um, and we mean 594 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: it was like a party. We just erupted because I 595 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: think that hunt, I don't know if if you can 596 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: agree with it's like one of the better dynamic group 597 00:32:15,720 --> 00:32:17,400 Speaker 1: dynamics I've ever been a part of. It was we 598 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: had a good damn time, like we just yeah, we 599 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 1: had we had a blast. We laughed the whole time 600 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: the majority of the hunt, you know, like it was 601 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: it was November and so it was you know, kind 602 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: of like post rut and the worst we were doing. 603 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: We're covering a lot of ground, and so we were 604 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: doing a lot of just driving from cut block to 605 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: cut block to cut block, just glassing and calling and looking, 606 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: and I mean we we covered It was basically we 607 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,480 Speaker 1: spent a week in the truck together, like just getting 608 00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: no getting to know each other, which was awesome. Yeah. 609 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: I mean, and at that point it's two thousand fourteen, 610 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:55,880 Speaker 1: and and you know, Joe Rogan is a known entity. 611 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,280 Speaker 1: He's a celebrity, but he's not. He wasn't where he 612 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 1: is now. Um, we talked a lot about podcasting. In fact, 613 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,280 Speaker 1: this trip was one of the trips where um, as 614 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: you'll remember, Joe kept convinced me to try to start 615 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: a podcast. So you should start a podcast. You're funny, 616 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,280 Speaker 1: you could do it. You should start a podcast. I'll 617 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: help you. I'll help you. And by the time this 618 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: thing was over, I was fully convinced I was going 619 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,479 Speaker 1: to start a podcast, Like I told my girlfriend at 620 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: time now wife, I was going to do it. Um, 621 00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: and then never did it. This didn't do it for years. 622 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: I mean, this is podcast worth two years. That's fourty 623 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: years of time where I could have been doing this 624 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 1: that I you know, with that man's support that like 625 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 1: I just wasn't doing it. So it's a you know, professionally, 626 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 1: probably probably a time where I screwed it up big time, 627 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: but THHD wouldn't be what it is today anyway. But yes, 628 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: so we get back to this little lodge. There's an 629 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,239 Speaker 1: assistant guide. If you remember his name, I don't, Um 630 00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: what was his name? Travis? Travis was there. He also 631 00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: liked to go by Joe Dirt. Joe Dirt. Does he 632 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,120 Speaker 1: look Joe Dirt too? If you ever listen to this, 633 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 1: I love you, buddy, buddy boy. He looks just like 634 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 1: Joe Dirt, kind of acts like him too in a 635 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: little wait, sweet dude, nice, nice guy. Um. And then 636 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: I think some of Mike Hackages, his wife and kids 637 00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 1: were there at some level. But it became it immediately 638 00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: became I think because we had such a great time. 639 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 1: We had this like furious end, this like really we 640 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,160 Speaker 1: had really wanted success a lot ride on this hunt 641 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,480 Speaker 1: for me and for you and for I guess for everybody. Um, well, 642 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,440 Speaker 1: we all loved each other, cared about each other, We 643 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: had a great time and we just let it loose. 644 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: We got back, Yeah, we did indeed um in the 645 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,919 Speaker 1: way that Joe had. We had the moose heart. Joe 646 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: chops the moose heart, up Um starts cooking it, starts 647 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,719 Speaker 1: chops to liver, up starts cooking it, and and we 648 00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,919 Speaker 1: break out this bottle of spice box. Was it rum 649 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 1: or was it something else? No, it was a rum. 650 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,080 Speaker 1: It was rum. I just remember the taste I found. 651 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: It was like this taste like turpentine. This is the 652 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:10,520 Speaker 1: most awful trash gut rum ever ever be made. Like 653 00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: it just was just just awful um. But we proceeded 654 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: to drink I don't know how many bottles of it 655 00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: enough to it was a lot, enough to fully black 656 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: out to the point where I was trying to remember. 657 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:28,080 Speaker 1: I remember later on trying to remember everything that happened 658 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,839 Speaker 1: to write and I was writing an article at the time. 659 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: I worked for Peas and Sunny Magazine to write this article, 660 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: and I felt like I had to start the article 661 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:39,840 Speaker 1: at this moment, this like celebratory moment because the idea 662 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,839 Speaker 1: of behind the article was tracing this all the way back. 663 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: Stephen Ronnella Um introduced Joe Rogan to hunting. Stephen Ronnella 664 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 1: introduced Joe Rogan to me when I asked him like, hey, 665 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: you know my celebrity type guys that like hunt and 666 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: just do it for the meat, and he brought up 667 00:35:57,200 --> 00:36:00,719 Speaker 1: the fear factor. Guy. I was like, oh crap, Um, 668 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: so we'll get to how that all went down soon. 669 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,560 Speaker 1: But um, you know it's funny. I just looked over 670 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: in the podcast studio and there's a picture of me 671 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: and Joe with that mouse right right to the right. Yeah, 672 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: right to my right. They asked us like, send us 673 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: send in a group and grand that you think is cool? 674 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: When I did, and they put on the wall. Um, Anyhow, 675 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,919 Speaker 1: when I'm sitting when I'm trying to write this article later, 676 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,880 Speaker 1: we had we had drank so much that there's so 677 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 1: much of that I couldn't remember. I was like, I'm 678 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: blacked out for like the most mem As a journalist, 679 00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:36,120 Speaker 1: you don't really want to black out during um parts 680 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 1: of your story. It's frowned the pond. So from that 681 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: night you have any I just remember there being I 682 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: remember there being a beaver. I was I was going 683 00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,840 Speaker 1: to bring that up like all of a sudden that 684 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: like somebody like just walks back through the door. But 685 00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:56,879 Speaker 1: this isn't just any beaver. It's the biggest beaver, right, 686 00:36:57,239 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: it was giant. Yeah, I have no idea how many 687 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,279 Speaker 1: hounds that thing was, but it was. I mean he 688 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,160 Speaker 1: had to be close to four long. Yeah, it was. 689 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,279 Speaker 1: I just remember Mike cocker Is is our guy, and 690 00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:09,120 Speaker 1: we'll kind of describe the kind of guy he is 691 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,279 Speaker 1: here coming up. He he comes walking in the door 692 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: and just like plops a fucking beaver on the ground. 693 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,200 Speaker 1: And the beaver like it's sitting up like it was alive, 694 00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 1: and it's it's two three ft tall. It's the biggest 695 00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:26,800 Speaker 1: beaver I've ever seen. And we're in like a drunken haze. 696 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: We're laughing, we're joking. I'm filming that video we just 697 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: heard from Joe. We're eating moose heart, we're eating moose liver. 698 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: We're just having we're laughing. I just remember like it 699 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: was some of the best some of the best time, 700 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,399 Speaker 1: one of the best like post hunt experiences I've ever had. 701 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: Um And so I just want to read I wrote 702 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,320 Speaker 1: this story. I'll also post a link to this story 703 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,560 Speaker 1: UM post published April for Patients Hunting and they're magazine, 704 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: their website, and we'll get to exactly how that came 705 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: to be. But I said this, I said, He sat across. 706 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,880 Speaker 1: This is the beginning of the store. He sat across 707 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,719 Speaker 1: from the table from me, tall in his chair, looking satisfied, 708 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,560 Speaker 1: seemingly unable to remove the triumph from his face. It 709 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:14,280 Speaker 1: was Joe Rogan's expression. It wasn't just Joe Rogan's expression 710 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,000 Speaker 1: that read a victory, though, it was his whole demeanor. 711 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: For a man who's part comedian, part fighter, it was 712 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: a damn good time to be the former, to sit 713 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,319 Speaker 1: back with his fellow hunters and enjoy were better yet 714 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: revel Rogan's plate was overflowing with wild organs. Thick, juicy 715 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 1: slices of fresh moose heart sat steaming beside that same 716 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: animal's liver, smothered and grilled onions. Beyond that, beyond this 717 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: first plate of wild protein, there was so much more, 718 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: and the stand up comedian, actor, martial artists, UFC commentator, 719 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: and podcaster with being joined at all. Though Rogan has 720 00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: spent some of his time in Hollywood, there'd be no 721 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:51,040 Speaker 1: private chefs to prepare his backstraps. He hunts, kills, butchers, 722 00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,320 Speaker 1: and eats his own meat, joining thousands of other converts 723 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,680 Speaker 1: in a movement that cannot be ignored. Eat what You 724 00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: kills this mantra and its front man is the dude 725 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: sitting in front of me devouring a bloody moose heart. Anyway, 726 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: that was the beginning of the story, and this whole thing, 727 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: the beginning of this whole thing, Sam was around. Funny enough, 728 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:12,560 Speaker 1: I sit here now working for Steve Rinella at a 729 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: company called Meat Eater Um, and at this this moment, 730 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: we're kind of celebrating and eat what You Kill movement. 731 00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,960 Speaker 1: And that's kind of what this what brought us all 732 00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: to British Columbia, or at least you know, kind of 733 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: what it was. The reason why I wanted to go there, 734 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,520 Speaker 1: and why we hired you to come and shoot photos, 735 00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,680 Speaker 1: and then why we called Mike Cockerage and Joe Rogan. 736 00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: We wanted to kind of make a statement about this 737 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: movement that was was coming up six years ago. Really 738 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: I think probably started by Steve Rinella, adopted by so 739 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:46,799 Speaker 1: many people, including Joe Um. And so it's a good 740 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: time to kind of go back to how this all began. 741 00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: You and I didn't really know each other prior to 742 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: this hunt, right, we had never met. No, No, we 743 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: had never met. Um, I was actually thinking about all 744 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: that went down and uh so, um, it was like 745 00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,840 Speaker 1: early in October that same year, I was out in 746 00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,279 Speaker 1: West Virginia on a photo shoot for Remington's Firearms at 747 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: one of their new products seminars, and I had met 748 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,920 Speaker 1: Mike Scobie out there, and um, he was at that 749 00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,759 Speaker 1: time the editor of Peterson's and so then I had 750 00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,200 Speaker 1: sent him my whatever portfolio at the time that I had, 751 00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,600 Speaker 1: and uh, that's how him and I met. And then 752 00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:30,319 Speaker 1: that's how he introduced me or like you know you 753 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: to me, and that's like we had a whatever, a 754 00:40:32,440 --> 00:40:35,400 Speaker 1: little conference call and you guys are like, hey, can 755 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:42,560 Speaker 1: you be in British Columbia like next week? Yep. Um, yeah, 756 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:44,600 Speaker 1: that's kind of all that went down. And for me, 757 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm just you know, I'm working at Fusion Signing as 758 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,800 Speaker 1: a you know, managing editor or whatever, second in command 759 00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: to a guy named Mike scobe who you and I 760 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,839 Speaker 1: both know to be a legend in our own mind 761 00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 1: and it probably his own mine in our minds too. Um. 762 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:03,440 Speaker 1: It's a great dude, and and we're patients. Hunting Magazine 763 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: is is I think the largest hunting only publication that 764 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,200 Speaker 1: is in this country as far as subscribership goes. So 765 00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 1: it's it's for me as a hunter, somebody, a journalism 766 00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,360 Speaker 1: student and a hunter. I've arrived at a place in 767 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 1: my life where I'm working as an It like getting 768 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:23,520 Speaker 1: paid to go hunting right about it produce a magazine 769 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: for everyone, I like my fellow hunters. And at this point, 770 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,400 Speaker 1: I think, like I've made it. This is it, and 771 00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,160 Speaker 1: I think during that time my career, this was the 772 00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: culmination of all the work I've done to that point, 773 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: and I wanted to I had we had written the 774 00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: year before, UM, we had done a eat what You 775 00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: Kill cover. UM that had a it just said eat 776 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: what you kill on it, and it had a knife 777 00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,239 Speaker 1: that our our mutual friend of Leechose shot for us. 778 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: Had a knife with a backstrap on it and a 779 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: bunch of blood on this hand. And it was it 780 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,799 Speaker 1: was seen is kind of a little bit controversial, but 781 00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: also await kind of like pushing pushing our community to 782 00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:07,839 Speaker 1: think about things differently. I was proud of that cover. 783 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,480 Speaker 1: I know Mike Scobe was proud of it too, and 784 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,400 Speaker 1: so we wanted to follow that up was something even 785 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,680 Speaker 1: more jarring, even maybe more different, and um, probably not 786 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,319 Speaker 1: controversials not the right word, but um, you know, more 787 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,920 Speaker 1: diverge from what you normally see like a big buckle 788 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: on every every hunting magazine cover. So that was where 789 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,279 Speaker 1: we were trying to We're trying to figure out how 790 00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,880 Speaker 1: to follow up this this cover, and I just said, uh. 791 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: And at this point I had talked to Ronnella the 792 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,359 Speaker 1: year before when I was writing the article for the 793 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: the original Eat which You Kill Um cover on Peterson's 794 00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 1: and he had pointed me towards Joe Rogan and I 795 00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,359 Speaker 1: interviewed him for that story. He only made a little 796 00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:50,799 Speaker 1: sidebar because the interview was it was like three hours long. 797 00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,799 Speaker 1: I just called him, right, He's like, called your Rogan 798 00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:57,399 Speaker 1: and I was like, do you mean the fear factor? Yay? 799 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: And so I called him and just as you can 800 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:04,879 Speaker 1: imagine now in his podcast Fame, we talked, I don't 801 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: know how long. We talked for three hours. We talked 802 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,720 Speaker 1: about wolves in World War two. We talked about everything 803 00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: you could possibly think of, and I ended up writing 804 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: a sidebar on the subject for this article in Pearson Hunt. 805 00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:21,040 Speaker 1: And so I felt like at the time, I felt like, well, 806 00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 1: I didn't really get all that, but we had Also, 807 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,719 Speaker 1: he had also talked about wanting to go to more hunts, 808 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,240 Speaker 1: and I said, manu a little we should go hunting. 809 00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: And so when this idea for the second cover came around, 810 00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,279 Speaker 1: I was like, what's gotta be Joe Rogan and we 811 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: got to take him to do something where he can 812 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: get the most meat out of one single trip. And 813 00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,040 Speaker 1: so then the idea came up Moose, Like that's the 814 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: perfect way to go um. And so I called Joe 815 00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,359 Speaker 1: asked him, say, hey, man, you want to go hunt 816 00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 1: moose Rish Columbia. He said, hell, yeah, you tell me 817 00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: when and I'll try to make it happen. So we're like, well, 818 00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 1: we gotta go. It was I think that was in 819 00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:59,160 Speaker 1: late October. So we had a couple of weeks, got it, 820 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,799 Speaker 1: got on the worn with Mike Hawkard, who I knew 821 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 1: from a mutual friend who's up in Quesnel, British Columbia 822 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,239 Speaker 1: who runs an outfitting service up there, and gave him 823 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,560 Speaker 1: a call. He's like, yeah, dude, I'd love to I'm 824 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:13,839 Speaker 1: a huge UFC fan. I would love to have Joe 825 00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,480 Speaker 1: Rogan come up here. I would do anything to make 826 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,919 Speaker 1: that happen. Um. Here's some dates you guys can come. 827 00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:22,279 Speaker 1: We called Joe. He more actually was available those dates, 828 00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:23,840 Speaker 1: and then we were like, holy sh it, now we 829 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 1: gotta have somebody photographed this thing. We kind of work 830 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:30,880 Speaker 1: backwards and so we're like in in Scoby says, hey, man, 831 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,520 Speaker 1: I know this. I met this, this, this guy, this 832 00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:37,400 Speaker 1: young kid at I'm like, what's my age or both kids? 833 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,960 Speaker 1: I'm at this young kid at a at an event. 834 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: I he'd be perfect for this. And we called you 835 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,480 Speaker 1: and it's like boom, you were there, and and knowing 836 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 1: how this all came together afterwards, like when we're eating 837 00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: this mooseheart, how good it felt like all this stuff 838 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 1: seems serendipitous in a way for this, for this trip 839 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,080 Speaker 1: because I didn't know you. I didn't know Joe other 840 00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,719 Speaker 1: than than the interaction I just described, and I did 841 00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,440 Speaker 1: know Mike hawckerage other than the interactions I just described. 842 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,239 Speaker 1: So it's literally four people coming to to shoot what 843 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 1: I felt at the time was a very important cover 844 00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,560 Speaker 1: for Hunting and for our magazine and just for just 845 00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 1: for my career, um for you, the same thing, you know, 846 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:16,879 Speaker 1: as an up and coming photographer, to get a chance 847 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,040 Speaker 1: to shoot a cover number one, but a cover of 848 00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan number two UM, and and for for my cockerage, 849 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 1: for his guiding service to be able to be a 850 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,480 Speaker 1: part of that. So we're all coming together for a 851 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:30,960 Speaker 1: very important thing, um And it turned out to be legendary. 852 00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 1: And it could have gone somebody we could have got there, 853 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: and Joe could have been you know, a Dick or 854 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,279 Speaker 1: Mike could have just not had it set upright, or 855 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:41,920 Speaker 1: or I could have you know, been awful or whatever. 856 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,680 Speaker 1: Anything could have gone wrong. But man, it didn't go wrong, 857 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,239 Speaker 1: and the things that did you are just kind of 858 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 1: swept under the road. I feel like we guys got 859 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,200 Speaker 1: super lucky with that whole trip, and just like like 860 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,640 Speaker 1: you said, that's how it all came together. And like 861 00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: I'm going back through photos right now and like as 862 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,960 Speaker 1: we're talking and just kind of like remembering the trip. 863 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,000 Speaker 1: And man, I was a horrible photographer at the time 864 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,640 Speaker 1: you guys hired me. I mean I was I was 865 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 1: truly like just up and coming, like I was really 866 00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,280 Speaker 1: just getting my feet wet. And so you know, fortunately 867 00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,040 Speaker 1: I was able to shoot a photo good enough for 868 00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,480 Speaker 1: that cover, and uh, you know, I think it's one 869 00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: of my you know, definitely one of my favorite shots 870 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: I've ever taken. But um, just looking at some of 871 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,960 Speaker 1: the other stuff that I shot during the trip, it's like, 872 00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,560 Speaker 1: you know, like we've all come a long ways. Yeah, 873 00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: it's like one of those. It's also one of those trips, right. 874 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: That was the start of a lot of things, you know, 875 00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,839 Speaker 1: the start of my finding my way here, um, the 876 00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,319 Speaker 1: start of you finding your way to where you are. Um. 877 00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:45,799 Speaker 1: I think because like you said, I mean we were. 878 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:49,680 Speaker 1: I was. I was just a writer for a magazine 879 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:51,719 Speaker 1: at that point. I hadn't nobody kne who I was, 880 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,360 Speaker 1: and I didn't intend for anybody to other than in 881 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,439 Speaker 1: the context of I wrote for this magazine. I wanted 882 00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,560 Speaker 1: it to be good, um, you know. And Joe Rogan 883 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,479 Speaker 1: had had was talking to us the entire trip about 884 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,360 Speaker 1: this podcast that he had and how he thought it 885 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:07,280 Speaker 1: was doing really good and it was just an amazing 886 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:08,719 Speaker 1: thing and he was just kind of him and his 887 00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:13,160 Speaker 1: buddies at that point, um, and how millions of people 888 00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,440 Speaker 1: were listening to it. And I had never even at 889 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: that moment, it would never would have realized what it 890 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:22,480 Speaker 1: is today, um, and where we all are today. After 891 00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 1: this the whole thing went down, So it's just a 892 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:30,399 Speaker 1: weird coalescence of all these things. Um, I've always felt 893 00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:31,920 Speaker 1: that it drove a lot of my career. Do you 894 00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 1: feel like this this thing kind of was something that 895 00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: just snapped and and became more than just a trip. 896 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah absolutely. Um, you know when that cover hit, 897 00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:48,600 Speaker 1: it really helped catapult my career. Um just you know, 898 00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:54,359 Speaker 1: just mostly from people knowing my name as a photographer. Um. Yeah, 899 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,880 Speaker 1: so it's it definitely helped me, like, you know, probably 900 00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,320 Speaker 1: skip a few steps that I normally he would have 901 00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:02,880 Speaker 1: had to take to get to where I am today. Alright, 902 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:06,040 Speaker 1: just that you know, just spending a week in British Columbia. Yeah, 903 00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,040 Speaker 1: and we I I see these photos now, I'm looking 904 00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,040 Speaker 1: at the article on Pigeon Sunny dot com and I 905 00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: see these photos and I'm wearing like all this shitty 906 00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 1: kid I don't want to say if you made it, uh, 907 00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:19,799 Speaker 1: gear that I would never wear today. And like, I've 908 00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,359 Speaker 1: learned so much about hunting from this moment. I'm so 909 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,879 Speaker 1: much more dialed with how I go through hunting. At 910 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,400 Speaker 1: this from six years ago, that's not it's it's ridiculous. 911 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,520 Speaker 1: It's not even funny. Um when I look at like 912 00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:35,839 Speaker 1: what I was wearing and the mannerisms, UM say with Joe. 913 00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,799 Speaker 1: I mean Joe, he had a bunch of sick of 914 00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:40,000 Speaker 1: gear on, but he was he was a novice hunter 915 00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: when we all met up um there. And now, man, 916 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, he's one of the better bow hunters that 917 00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,720 Speaker 1: I know. And so he's come so far in that time, 918 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,880 Speaker 1: and you know, not to mention his podcast and what 919 00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,840 Speaker 1: he's done with that, that that goes about saying that 920 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 1: goes out saying he's become He's become you know, a 921 00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:01,520 Speaker 1: sort of a god within the podcast space, and you know, 922 00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:04,960 Speaker 1: such a leader in in our culture. Um. So, anyway, 923 00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:09,120 Speaker 1: we should probably get to I remember um showing up there. 924 00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 1: I think I was the last one to get there, 925 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:16,000 Speaker 1: if I remember correctly. Yeah, And I'd actually like to 926 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: tell yeah, I'd like to talk about my trip up there. 927 00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,440 Speaker 1: So I, uh, we we got you and Scobie and 928 00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,480 Speaker 1: I got off the phone, and UM, basically it was 929 00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:28,279 Speaker 1: like you book your own flights and then we'll you know, 930 00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,120 Speaker 1: like a lot of times, book my own flights get 931 00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:34,080 Speaker 1: reimbursed at the end. So, um, I booked my own flights, 932 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,480 Speaker 1: but the best flight that I could get in there 933 00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:39,880 Speaker 1: to actually make it on time. Was I landed late 934 00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 1: the night before everybody else was getting there, and then 935 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,640 Speaker 1: nobody else was showing up until the next afternoon. And 936 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,719 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, that's fine. I like applying up 937 00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,560 Speaker 1: there with all my camping gear. I'll fly into the airport, 938 00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,319 Speaker 1: crash on the airport floor, and then just wake up, 939 00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,239 Speaker 1: have breakfast in the airport, wait for everybody to roll in. Well, no, 940 00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,400 Speaker 1: they closed the airport night up there. So uh, I 941 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: got off the plane, grabbed all my stuff. I'm walking 942 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,480 Speaker 1: around looking for a place to set up and sleep, 943 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:11,279 Speaker 1: and the security guard goes, um, what you're doing and 944 00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:12,879 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I'm just looking for a place 945 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:15,560 Speaker 1: to sleep. The rest of my group isn't getting here 946 00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:18,439 Speaker 1: until tomorrow, and he's like, oh, no, we closed the airport. So, 947 00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:24,000 Speaker 1: in true Canadian style, uh, somebody overheard this interaction and 948 00:50:24,040 --> 00:50:26,520 Speaker 1: they just offered up to give me a ride into 949 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: town where I could book a hotel room. And so 950 00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,600 Speaker 1: I got a ride with some nice family that had 951 00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: just come back from some trip and they took me 952 00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:39,399 Speaker 1: into because we're gonna flying to Prince George. Yeah, Prince George, yeah, yeah. 953 00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: So they gave me a ride into Prince George and 954 00:50:41,080 --> 00:50:43,960 Speaker 1: I got a hotel room and then to go back 955 00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:46,160 Speaker 1: out to the airport the next day to wait for uh, 956 00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: the Hawkridge family to pick me up, and then for 957 00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: Robin to roll in and then yeah, and then you 958 00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:56,399 Speaker 1: showed up last. Yeah. Yeah, just there's so many now 959 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,680 Speaker 1: even I was just going to Hawkridge. Is Mike's website. 960 00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,840 Speaker 1: It's look, um, there's a couple of things about his 961 00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: outfitting business, so we could get that right. We can 962 00:51:04,640 --> 00:51:07,879 Speaker 1: tell people about his business and they're on the They're 963 00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:14,400 Speaker 1: on his homepages. Is the cover of the of that 964 00:51:14,520 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: we shot and a quote from Joe Rogan about my cockriage, 965 00:51:18,560 --> 00:51:20,799 Speaker 1: so I figot I could probably just read that to you, um, 966 00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:23,319 Speaker 1: because we need to kind of give people who Mike 967 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,200 Speaker 1: is because he's one of my favorite people in the world. Um, 968 00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,719 Speaker 1: my cockriage is an outstanding hunter. This is from Joe Rogan. 969 00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 1: Mike Cockeage is an outstanding hunter and a man amongst men. 970 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,360 Speaker 1: He's a rock solid outdoorsman, as knowledge of the animals 971 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,040 Speaker 1: he's going after and the terrain they live in is unparalleled. 972 00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,839 Speaker 1: There's ever a zombie apocalypse. He's one of the first 973 00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: people I would pick to help form a squad of 974 00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,879 Speaker 1: able bodied people to help safe humanity. When you meet him, 975 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,279 Speaker 1: When you meet him, get a good look at him 976 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,879 Speaker 1: and take it all in. Because if this ever feminized 977 00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 1: world where we're living in, in wait, in this ever 978 00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:00,520 Speaker 1: feminized world we're living in, real men like him are 979 00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,000 Speaker 1: the last of a dying breed. I had a fantastic 980 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:04,880 Speaker 1: time in camp with him, and I look forward to 981 00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:07,520 Speaker 1: visiting and hunting with him as many times as I 982 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,880 Speaker 1: can before I leave this earth. Joe Rogan and that 983 00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:14,400 Speaker 1: is legitimately how we all felt after leaving this I 984 00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,640 Speaker 1: felt safe. I felt the exact same way um as 985 00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 1: Joe did. And on one of Mike's websites, Big Country 986 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,520 Speaker 1: Outfitters dot c A is his website, if you ever 987 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:28,760 Speaker 1: want to go take part in one of these badass moosehns, um, 988 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:32,160 Speaker 1: he'll see the indelible image of Joe rogue and hawking 989 00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:36,000 Speaker 1: a big s s moose hind quarter over his shoulder. 990 00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: I think, well never, so we'll get to that um 991 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,600 Speaker 1: probably to end this story. That's probably where will end. 992 00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:46,840 Speaker 1: But that's my Cockridge is just is is a statue 993 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,960 Speaker 1: of a dude. He's got like a stone jaw. He 994 00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:54,120 Speaker 1: lives in you know, um it's a north of quesnel Bridge, Columbia, 995 00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:58,040 Speaker 1: which is just timber country. Um as as Sam said, 996 00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:02,759 Speaker 1: it's big cut blocks um moose everywhere, and it's just 997 00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,279 Speaker 1: it's just a rural place. And this is a guy 998 00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:10,800 Speaker 1: who cuts horses, who just lives this you know, outdoor 999 00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,920 Speaker 1: lifestyle to the fullest man. And he's been doing it 1000 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,400 Speaker 1: for over fifty years. Um. And they you know, he's 1001 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:22,200 Speaker 1: he outfits for elk, grizzly mule, deer, white tailed deer, 1002 00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,680 Speaker 1: black bear, cougar, wolf links, coyote, but Canadian mooses is 1003 00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 1: the thing that I think he's known for and really 1004 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:31,759 Speaker 1: that that no r essential region of British Columbias he's 1005 00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:35,560 Speaker 1: known for two. So what was your first feeling of 1006 00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,920 Speaker 1: Mike Cockridge. He's I mean he's a mountain of a man. Yeah. Um, 1007 00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,680 Speaker 1: Like he's just like from head to toe like just 1008 00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,359 Speaker 1: built like a brick um and like but like you know, 1009 00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,799 Speaker 1: again like a true Canadian, like the nicest human you've 1010 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,480 Speaker 1: ever met. He's got he's got that he's got and 1011 00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:58,560 Speaker 1: Joe's the same way too. He's got an infectious laugh 1012 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,799 Speaker 1: that you just you can't get out of your head man. 1013 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:04,960 Speaker 1: M hmm. Yeah, but you can tell, you know, you 1014 00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:07,080 Speaker 1: could tell he's just a guy you would never want 1015 00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:10,400 Speaker 1: to mess with or piss off. I mean, I think 1016 00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:12,920 Speaker 1: at one time, or was he still he wasn't still boxing, 1017 00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,600 Speaker 1: but he was a boxer at one point. And uh yeah, 1018 00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,040 Speaker 1: and then if if you go back through you know, 1019 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,560 Speaker 1: his social media pages, you know there's a picture of 1020 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:27,840 Speaker 1: Mike carrying out an entire like giant black bear on 1021 00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:31,160 Speaker 1: a frame pack. Um. Yeah, I don't you know, three 1022 00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,440 Speaker 1: fifty pound bear or whatever, just like strapped to a 1023 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,640 Speaker 1: frame pack, um hauling it out. So he's just one 1024 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:40,480 Speaker 1: tough guy. And I think, isn't he like on some 1025 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 1: show now up in Canada? Yeah, so he's on a 1026 00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 1: skull a show I believe. I want to say it's 1027 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,920 Speaker 1: on the travel channel, Discoverage channel. He called me and 1028 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:52,680 Speaker 1: told me about this not long ago, that he was 1029 00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,560 Speaker 1: going to be on a show. I'll try to find that. 1030 00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: We'll look that up and figure out what that is. 1031 00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,880 Speaker 1: But now, yeah, he's a superstar. Now, Um this is 1032 00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,400 Speaker 1: back when he's just my cockroage. But he remember, he 1033 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,839 Speaker 1: just didn't uh it doesn't like to hug. We would 1034 00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,200 Speaker 1: try to hug him. I I we ended up like 1035 00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:17,960 Speaker 1: breaking him down. Eventually he did, but but uh, when 1036 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,440 Speaker 1: we first got there, he's like, I don't hug, like 1037 00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,399 Speaker 1: do handshakes. And Duke could rip your hand off. He's 1038 00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:27,480 Speaker 1: got baseball mits for hands. Um. And so yeah, I mean, 1039 00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,640 Speaker 1: And and the way you hunt up there is as 1040 00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,720 Speaker 1: you said before, Man, you just get in the truck. 1041 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,600 Speaker 1: You drive from timbered cut block to cut block. It's 1042 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,320 Speaker 1: this vast country. I mean, there's logging roads to every 1043 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,600 Speaker 1: point you could try to get to. And Um, for 1044 00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:44,120 Speaker 1: all the reasons we already said, we show up there 1045 00:55:44,160 --> 00:55:46,640 Speaker 1: and probably not the prime time. You know, we're in 1046 00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,040 Speaker 1: the You say post rut, I'd say we're like post 1047 00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 1: post rut. We're like the vestiges of the rut are 1048 00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,920 Speaker 1: still hanging around. You may find a bull here or 1049 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,960 Speaker 1: there that might want to come into to call, but 1050 00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,719 Speaker 1: it's just not the prime time to be up there. 1051 00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,319 Speaker 1: We it just happened to start getting really cold when 1052 00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,880 Speaker 1: we were there too. We had a bunch of snowy 1053 00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:07,160 Speaker 1: days when we were up there, so we just didn't 1054 00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:10,160 Speaker 1: hit it at the right time. And I remember being 1055 00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:11,720 Speaker 1: the first time we all got in the truck together, 1056 00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:15,279 Speaker 1: we're having we're still having a great conversation. But I 1057 00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,000 Speaker 1: was just a little bit nervous about how this is 1058 00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:19,319 Speaker 1: all gonna play out because I was realizing it at 1059 00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:21,960 Speaker 1: some level how much of a roll of the dice 1060 00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,400 Speaker 1: I had made with with my career, with this exact trip. 1061 00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:37,920 Speaker 1: Oh whoa whoa man who Yeah, my apologies, Uh corona, um, corona, 1062 00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: I hope you don't have it anyway, But I I 1063 00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:43,160 Speaker 1: was realized how much a roll of dice I had made. 1064 00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,960 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know this outfitter. Um, We're not 1065 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,640 Speaker 1: here at a great time, the weather is not great. 1066 00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:52,640 Speaker 1: I don't know anything about anything here. I'm just really 1067 00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,360 Speaker 1: just hoping that's some part of this turns out because 1068 00:56:56,360 --> 00:57:00,200 Speaker 1: I need to get I need to get a cover shot. Um. 1069 00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,400 Speaker 1: I need to get We need to have something happens 1070 00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,160 Speaker 1: so I can write a cover story. Um. And we're 1071 00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,799 Speaker 1: hoping to kill any moose. We didn't have really have anywhere, like, hey, 1072 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,080 Speaker 1: that's the you killed movement. We're gonna shoot any moose 1073 00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:12,759 Speaker 1: week that's legal. Um and luckily for us, we could 1074 00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:18,439 Speaker 1: really shoot any any antlerd uh moose. So that was good. Yeah, 1075 00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:20,640 Speaker 1: what was your feeling in the beginning, and I don't 1076 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,680 Speaker 1: know if he I don't know if Mike, you know, 1077 00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:24,880 Speaker 1: he pulled me aside, like and he was like, so, 1078 00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:26,520 Speaker 1: what do you what do you think they're looking for 1079 00:57:26,520 --> 00:57:30,080 Speaker 1: for the cover photo? And ME like just being you know, 1080 00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,480 Speaker 1: a naive new photographer, like growing up with every hunting cover, 1081 00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:38,840 Speaker 1: you know, being some giant animal. Um, I just assumed 1082 00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:42,000 Speaker 1: that's the you know, that was the goal. And so 1083 00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,040 Speaker 1: I think I think I probably made Mike nervous. And 1084 00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:47,840 Speaker 1: I was like, wow, I'm assuming that they're looking for 1085 00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:52,040 Speaker 1: some you know, big gass moose and uh yeah. I 1086 00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,920 Speaker 1: could see the look in his face like, oh god, November, 1087 00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:57,720 Speaker 1: you know, we'll see, see we can pull this off. 1088 00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,080 Speaker 1: And then a couple of days into the trip, you know, 1089 00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,640 Speaker 1: I think both you and and Rogan you know, just 1090 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,720 Speaker 1: expressed like oh no, no no, no, anything with antlers, like 1091 00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,800 Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna shoot. Yeah, because Joe had just 1092 00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,320 Speaker 1: been he had been to the Missouri Breaks with Stephen 1093 00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 1: Company to film Meat Eater and that's the only Honey 1094 00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:17,600 Speaker 1: he'd been on and this is this is not too 1095 00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,320 Speaker 1: long after that. Now we're out and he's just like 1096 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 1: just learning about these things, and I just remember, and 1097 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,880 Speaker 1: now that I know him better, I know that he's 1098 00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,160 Speaker 1: like this with everything. But I just remember him being 1099 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:31,960 Speaker 1: so excited at every point and to learn everything. How 1100 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,160 Speaker 1: do you know, shooting a rifle of sick of gear 1101 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,320 Speaker 1: that he had on all this stuff. I mean, he 1102 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:42,720 Speaker 1: just he just was enamored with everything and that I 1103 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,280 Speaker 1: had never seen anything like that before. I've never experienced 1104 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:48,760 Speaker 1: somebody that was so into it. Um. But now you know, 1105 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:50,600 Speaker 1: years later, I know him a little bit better and 1106 00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:53,240 Speaker 1: I know he's like that with everything, um, but I 1107 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:55,400 Speaker 1: just never I've never known that. So I felt the 1108 00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:58,720 Speaker 1: same energy, like, man, this is this is, this is 1109 00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:02,120 Speaker 1: there's something going on here. Even though through the first days, 1110 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,720 Speaker 1: I like, I don't have any real memories for the 1111 00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:05,680 Speaker 1: first couple of days other than laughing in the truck, 1112 00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:10,920 Speaker 1: talking about psychedelics, talking about you know whatever, fear factor stories. 1113 00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:13,720 Speaker 1: Who the hell knows what we talked about. But you know, 1114 00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:16,240 Speaker 1: two days, right around the truck, getting out, walking on 1115 00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:19,160 Speaker 1: the roads, calling, you know, going on long hikes, three 1116 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,560 Speaker 1: four mile hikes. We did see one bull. I feel like, 1117 00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,760 Speaker 1: up in the top of a cut block all like 1118 00:59:25,240 --> 00:59:27,840 Speaker 1: it would have been impossible to get to um. But 1119 00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,280 Speaker 1: over the first three or four days of this hunt, 1120 00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,440 Speaker 1: we didn't have much action at all. I mean that 1121 00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:36,320 Speaker 1: just was and then like then, then, even though we're 1122 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:38,280 Speaker 1: having a good time, even though all of us together 1123 00:59:38,560 --> 00:59:44,240 Speaker 1: are enjoying ourselves, we don't like the anxiety builds for me, 1124 00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure for you, like I think this is gonna 1125 00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:50,840 Speaker 1: suck if we don't if we don't even see them, 1126 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,160 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Because I always had in 1127 00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 1: my mind an image of the cover I wanted to shoot, 1128 00:59:56,840 --> 00:59:59,160 Speaker 1: and it it was very close to what we ended 1129 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,160 Speaker 1: up with, but it wasn't a moose quarter. I had 1130 01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:03,880 Speaker 1: him like holding a knife in one hand and a 1131 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:06,880 Speaker 1: backstrap in another hand, and it said eat what you kill, 1132 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,760 Speaker 1: really big down the side and the name played for 1133 01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,840 Speaker 1: the magazine. So that's what I had my mind. And 1134 01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:14,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, if we don't kill a moose, what 1135 01:00:14,200 --> 01:00:20,600 Speaker 1: am I gonna do? Like a ham sandwich? So yeah, 1136 01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:23,480 Speaker 1: I mean it's it was a struggle, and we got 1137 01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,520 Speaker 1: some photos, but it wasn't like there was It's not 1138 01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:28,240 Speaker 1: a picturesque place compared to some other places you and 1139 01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,160 Speaker 1: I have gone together. Um, you know, so I'm sure 1140 01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:34,480 Speaker 1: for a young photography like ship man, what am I? 1141 01:00:34,640 --> 01:00:37,280 Speaker 1: What's going to happen? Yeah? No, And it was hard 1142 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 1: for me, you know because because we were riding around 1143 01:00:39,320 --> 01:00:42,400 Speaker 1: the truck so much, like you know, I shot about, 1144 01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,640 Speaker 1: you know, a third or less of the photos that 1145 01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,640 Speaker 1: I typically shoot on a trip like that, because what 1146 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,880 Speaker 1: do you take photos of? You know, like we're just 1147 01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,440 Speaker 1: riding around like it's it's there's nothing like exciting, Like 1148 01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,840 Speaker 1: you can shoot a few photos, but there's nothing exciting 1149 01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:01,919 Speaker 1: after the first day. Um, And so I just yeah, 1150 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:03,880 Speaker 1: going into it, you know, And we were talking like, well, 1151 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,160 Speaker 1: if we didn't kill a moose, you know, maybe you know, 1152 01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,200 Speaker 1: Rogan would stay longer or you both would stay longer. 1153 01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:12,520 Speaker 1: And I had a date that I needed to fly back, 1154 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:15,040 Speaker 1: and it was like, oh man, like you know, what 1155 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,560 Speaker 1: what happens if I'm not here to actually shoot the 1156 01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:19,680 Speaker 1: cover photo, like you know, like this is gonna be 1157 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,320 Speaker 1: a nightmare. So yeah, and I mean I had to 1158 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:23,960 Speaker 1: I had a moose tag with that to me at 1159 01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:26,480 Speaker 1: that point didn't matter. I like, the moose we already 1160 01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:28,600 Speaker 1: covered that I ended up killing wasn't a big deal 1161 01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:30,880 Speaker 1: to me. Like I was like, because if you know, 1162 01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,680 Speaker 1: just to explain a little bit more of the pressure 1163 01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:35,320 Speaker 1: that I was under. I'm a young you know, second 1164 01:01:35,320 --> 01:01:38,840 Speaker 1: in command editor out of magazine. I have begged, im 1165 01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:43,600 Speaker 1: pleaded for my bosses above above Mike Scobe, to let 1166 01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:46,959 Speaker 1: me try to pull this off. They they have. There's 1167 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,160 Speaker 1: one individual that just straight up looked me in the 1168 01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:50,680 Speaker 1: eisn said, I'm not paying for you to do that, 1169 01:01:51,160 --> 01:01:54,280 Speaker 1: Like that's nobody cares about that person you're that's just 1170 01:01:54,320 --> 01:01:56,440 Speaker 1: another celebrity guy that you're gonna try to put on 1171 01:01:56,480 --> 01:01:59,120 Speaker 1: a cover that's pandering, like you should come up with 1172 01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,120 Speaker 1: a better idea. And I that no, you don't understand 1173 01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,240 Speaker 1: this is a good idea. I know it seems like 1174 01:02:03,240 --> 01:02:05,240 Speaker 1: we're just going to take a picture of a celebrity 1175 01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,600 Speaker 1: guy who actually hunts. But it's more than that, Like 1176 01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:10,680 Speaker 1: there's something here. I'm telling you. I'm telling you, I'm 1177 01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,480 Speaker 1: telling you. I remember arguing this and arguing this and 1178 01:02:13,560 --> 01:02:15,520 Speaker 1: finally get in the green light. But they're like, don't 1179 01:02:15,560 --> 01:02:17,560 Speaker 1: spend a lot of time, don't spend a lot of money. 1180 01:02:18,120 --> 01:02:23,760 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, all right, thanks for the confidence, 1181 01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:25,680 Speaker 1: don't I don't know if I can do that. So 1182 01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:27,960 Speaker 1: I was like, well, it's one of those points for me, Like, 1183 01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,800 Speaker 1: if I come back with nothing, I don't know, they 1184 01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:31,680 Speaker 1: might just let me go. They might just be like, well, 1185 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:36,720 Speaker 1: you had your chance and he screwed it up. Who knows. 1186 01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,720 Speaker 1: I Like that wasn't the case. Yeah. So so when 1187 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,600 Speaker 1: we get to the point where Joe actually shoots a moose, 1188 01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:48,439 Speaker 1: it is the least oh man, it's the least climactic 1189 01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:53,240 Speaker 1: killing of an animal I've ever been a part of. Maybe, um, 1190 01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:56,000 Speaker 1: but I would say that's true. Yeah, Like the actual 1191 01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:59,640 Speaker 1: mechanics of what happened, the details are the least exciting 1192 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:03,520 Speaker 1: thing I describe. But where we all were, the anxiety 1193 01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:05,760 Speaker 1: that I felt, that Joe felt, that you felt, I'm 1194 01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,240 Speaker 1: sure Mike felt it too. How such a good time 1195 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:12,240 Speaker 1: we were having all together, Like we really wanted it 1196 01:03:12,280 --> 01:03:15,400 Speaker 1: for Joe. Everybody really really really wanted this for Joe, 1197 01:03:16,360 --> 01:03:18,960 Speaker 1: and we also really wanted to do our jobs, all 1198 01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:23,720 Speaker 1: four of us. Um the I mean, we could tell 1199 01:03:23,720 --> 01:03:27,280 Speaker 1: the story in five seconds. We're driving down this we 1200 01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,800 Speaker 1: go through a cut and into kind of a timbered area. 1201 01:03:30,800 --> 01:03:32,840 Speaker 1: Well that's on the way back to to the little 1202 01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:34,880 Speaker 1: camp that we're staying at, the little house. We're saying 1203 01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:37,840 Speaker 1: it we kind of break into the timber from this 1204 01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:42,120 Speaker 1: cut block and we're going down the road. I think 1205 01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:45,360 Speaker 1: I almost remember that we were laughing about some sort 1206 01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,720 Speaker 1: of psychedelic adventure that Joe, we're laughing about something. We 1207 01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:51,880 Speaker 1: were loudly doing what we were doing the whole trip, 1208 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,440 Speaker 1: kind of laughing and bullshit. And my carcage slams the 1209 01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:58,840 Speaker 1: brakes on this truck. And the truck is this old 1210 01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:03,800 Speaker 1: shitty remember like Ford something. Rather, it's not a it's 1211 01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:06,440 Speaker 1: like it creaks to a halt. It's like creaks to 1212 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,640 Speaker 1: a halt. Slams. He there's a bull. We look out 1213 01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:12,600 Speaker 1: the left side of the window and there's a bull, 1214 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,360 Speaker 1: but it's a forker. It's like a year a year 1215 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:21,080 Speaker 1: and a half year old forker moves essentially the youngest 1216 01:04:21,120 --> 01:04:25,120 Speaker 1: most we probably could have shot, could have shot um. 1217 01:04:25,160 --> 01:04:27,240 Speaker 1: And I remember I'm in the back at this point, 1218 01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,080 Speaker 1: or no, I'm in the front seat. I'm trying to 1219 01:04:29,120 --> 01:04:31,760 Speaker 1: get out and I can't. Before I do anything, I 1220 01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,600 Speaker 1: hear Mike say, like, you want to shoot one. You 1221 01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,280 Speaker 1: want to shoot that one, And Joe's out of the 1222 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:40,840 Speaker 1: truck with his rifle before well, I think, I don't 1223 01:04:40,840 --> 01:04:42,800 Speaker 1: know if you remember this, but Mike goes, he goes, 1224 01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:44,880 Speaker 1: there's a bull, and we all start looking and he goes, 1225 01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,120 Speaker 1: it's not very big, and Rugg goes, I don't give 1226 01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:51,560 Speaker 1: a ship. Yeah, and uh, you know because we were 1227 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:53,480 Speaker 1: there too, you know, we were there to shoot a bull. 1228 01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:55,920 Speaker 1: And like you said, like you said, like the next 1229 01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,280 Speaker 1: that we were just out of the truck and uh 1230 01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:02,400 Speaker 1: like like it was done. It was over, continued, Yeah, 1231 01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:04,600 Speaker 1: it was over. No I wanted to I don't want 1232 01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:06,640 Speaker 1: to tell the old star like whole store myself, but yeah, 1233 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,520 Speaker 1: I mean it was I my from my prostector. I 1234 01:05:08,600 --> 01:05:12,360 Speaker 1: roll around the back of the truck and by that time, 1235 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,320 Speaker 1: Mike's already pointing in the timber. I mean these things 1236 01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:16,360 Speaker 1: like seventy five yards away, right, I mean it wasn't 1237 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,120 Speaker 1: far away. Stand there looking at us, like what are 1238 01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,600 Speaker 1: you doing? And and we're just off the road where 1239 01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:25,000 Speaker 1: like down the road a bit into the into the woods. 1240 01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:26,560 Speaker 1: But we're still I mean, you could still throw a 1241 01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:29,280 Speaker 1: rock at the truck and hit it every time. Um, 1242 01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,480 Speaker 1: we're down down into the into the timber a little bit, 1243 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,680 Speaker 1: and Mike's pointing at this bull. Joe is is trying 1244 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,640 Speaker 1: to get a scope on he's probably had to dial 1245 01:05:39,120 --> 01:05:42,840 Speaker 1: dial his his uh power back to get a freaking 1246 01:05:42,840 --> 01:05:44,600 Speaker 1: field view or you can see this thing. Finally sees 1247 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:46,120 Speaker 1: it and by the time I get to his side 1248 01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,040 Speaker 1: and I think you're there trying to snap some photos 1249 01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:52,640 Speaker 1: of this, he just shoots and think fall and he 1250 01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,960 Speaker 1: just drops it immediately and this all had gone down 1251 01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,000 Speaker 1: and I don't know, thirty seconds. I don't have a 1252 01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:03,000 Speaker 1: minute if that. Yeah, so yeah, I didn't. I didn't 1253 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:04,720 Speaker 1: even I don't think I even got my camera turned 1254 01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:06,480 Speaker 1: on by the time that thing was dead. No, it 1255 01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:10,120 Speaker 1: was like from the time did you get that on film? 1256 01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,120 Speaker 1: And I was like, no, man, I really even at 1257 01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:20,000 Speaker 1: my camera and then like the thing falls over immediately, 1258 01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:22,360 Speaker 1: and you know, my cockage being this kind of like 1259 01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:27,200 Speaker 1: this stone jaw, you know, just very serious guy. He 1260 01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,160 Speaker 1: remember he was the first one to kind of like 1261 01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,840 Speaker 1: scream out like yeah. And then Rogan and I like 1262 01:06:34,080 --> 01:06:36,080 Speaker 1: he makes his rifle safe. We made sure of that. 1263 01:06:36,120 --> 01:06:39,680 Speaker 1: And then immediately it was like we won the Super Bowl. 1264 01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:42,920 Speaker 1: I would never Yeah, we were just running around like 1265 01:06:43,200 --> 01:06:45,880 Speaker 1: some ball bark yelps in there, like it just it 1266 01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:51,680 Speaker 1: just was unbelievable. Like, what's your memories of that thing. Yeah, no, 1267 01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,880 Speaker 1: it was. It was just like that moose dropped and 1268 01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,960 Speaker 1: it was just high fives and hugs and just like 1269 01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,480 Speaker 1: the like every one was just a little kid again, 1270 01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,440 Speaker 1: the excitement that Rogan had had the entire trip like 1271 01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,600 Speaker 1: for him, like being such a new hunter, like everybody 1272 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:15,160 Speaker 1: was had that going. Yeah, yeah, the whole thing. Man, um, 1273 01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm trying to find Yeah, okay, I got just a part. 1274 01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:18,960 Speaker 1: I'll read you guys, kind of what I wrote in 1275 01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:24,400 Speaker 1: the article um of the article for Peterson's Rogan's posture stiffened, 1276 01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:27,000 Speaker 1: his eyes locked on his target. I watched him make 1277 01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:29,800 Speaker 1: the mental decision to squeeze in a split second, and 1278 01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,720 Speaker 1: he was shooting a three D roum at this thing, 1279 01:07:31,800 --> 01:07:37,880 Speaker 1: and they're like, yep, it's like diminutive moose for for moose, 1280 01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,160 Speaker 1: for for all bull moose in the world. His three 1281 01:07:41,480 --> 01:07:43,680 Speaker 1: wind bag rock the timber with a familiar roar, and 1282 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,600 Speaker 1: things went silent. The bull crumbled at seventy five yards. 1283 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:49,560 Speaker 1: Just then, as Rogan that loosed the primal celebration, things 1284 01:07:49,600 --> 01:07:51,840 Speaker 1: seemed to slow down. I think I realized why we 1285 01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,840 Speaker 1: both made the trip. Honey had somehow been changed, Its 1286 01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:58,240 Speaker 1: purpose had morphed We weren't chasing a trophy, and there 1287 01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,400 Speaker 1: was no singular joy in the group and green photos. 1288 01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,800 Speaker 1: The byproduct of this badass eat which killed movement, or 1289 01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,880 Speaker 1: the baddest adventure, was the meat, and it was the 1290 01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:10,000 Speaker 1: perfect moment for the witch kill movement. Every things calmed down. 1291 01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:12,200 Speaker 1: I sat with Joe and a freshly Downtreet's bark, still 1292 01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,360 Speaker 1: ripe and wet. The moose that lay in front of 1293 01:08:14,440 --> 01:08:17,240 Speaker 1: us was no great trophy. He would make no record book. 1294 01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,680 Speaker 1: He would not look right on the cover of this magazine. 1295 01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,840 Speaker 1: The final moments of the hunt would seem anticlimactic the most, 1296 01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,400 Speaker 1: but we never felt happier or celebrated harder. The transformative 1297 01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:28,880 Speaker 1: property of becoming a full fledge eat which you killed 1298 01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,400 Speaker 1: convert had taken hold. Our thoughts now turned to the 1299 01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:35,519 Speaker 1: most important outcome. Rogan had are already had his knife 1300 01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,280 Speaker 1: in hand. Let's cut him up and eat him, he said, 1301 01:08:37,280 --> 01:08:39,439 Speaker 1: turning to me with a determined Claire, It's time to 1302 01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:43,160 Speaker 1: get to work, and work we did. I Our spent gutting, skinning, quartering, 1303 01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,040 Speaker 1: and hauling meat were done with pleasure, all a part 1304 01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,920 Speaker 1: of the honesty of our efforts. The next day, I 1305 01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:50,920 Speaker 1: tagged the bull of my own, the celebration mirror the 1306 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:53,560 Speaker 1: previous day. I had never been happier to be a 1307 01:08:53,600 --> 01:08:55,920 Speaker 1: part of a hunting crew. That night, we dined on 1308 01:08:55,960 --> 01:08:59,240 Speaker 1: the aforementioned Organs. Rogan man the grill, dolling out slice 1309 01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:02,200 Speaker 1: of moose heart. We partied hard. I've haunted all my 1310 01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:04,639 Speaker 1: life putting wild meat on the table for as long 1311 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:07,320 Speaker 1: as I remember. With this new perspectives, departure from the 1312 01:09:07,360 --> 01:09:12,120 Speaker 1: norm had an impenetrable logic. Kill which you eat, eat 1313 01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,479 Speaker 1: which kill. No matter how you phrase it, it's a 1314 01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:19,519 Speaker 1: game changer. Just ask Joe Rogan. That's the end of 1315 01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,680 Speaker 1: the story I wrote. That's not too bad. You know, 1316 01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,720 Speaker 1: you write things and you look back and you're like, oh, 1317 01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:29,639 Speaker 1: I'll lame, are you. I thought that sounded pretty good. Yeah, man, 1318 01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:31,439 Speaker 1: you know it could be worse. I read a lot 1319 01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:32,920 Speaker 1: of stories I wrote at this time. I was like, 1320 01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:35,280 Speaker 1: Holy hell, learn how to calm down a little bit 1321 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:39,400 Speaker 1: of O'Brien um. But yeah, but like all that is 1322 01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,479 Speaker 1: kind of true to how I remember it, man, I felt. 1323 01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:43,840 Speaker 1: I know, we filmed a little video Joe and I talked, 1324 01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:45,640 Speaker 1: and you filmed us talking to kind of about the 1325 01:09:45,680 --> 01:09:48,880 Speaker 1: experience and and it was this weird The thing that 1326 01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,280 Speaker 1: happened in the end was the the least you know, 1327 01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:55,519 Speaker 1: kind of like the least celebratory type of kill, but 1328 01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,920 Speaker 1: the most celebration of the kill, which is really kind 1329 01:09:57,920 --> 01:09:59,360 Speaker 1: of what we were going for anyway, at least what 1330 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:03,920 Speaker 1: I envisioned. Yeah, for sure. Um, And so we got back. 1331 01:10:04,280 --> 01:10:06,680 Speaker 1: We've got back to camp with our moose. We had 1332 01:10:06,720 --> 01:10:12,840 Speaker 1: to pack it out all of hundred yards. It was 1333 01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:16,040 Speaker 1: easy hundred yard pack out. We get back and now 1334 01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:19,719 Speaker 1: we've got this moose and we've got to uh shoot 1335 01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:21,680 Speaker 1: a cover with it, and I'll let you take it 1336 01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:24,400 Speaker 1: from I'll let each other take it from work. Is 1337 01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:28,519 Speaker 1: because that I would just say this Joe was was 1338 01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,000 Speaker 1: didn't want to do this cover shoot because I hadn't 1339 01:10:32,000 --> 01:10:33,679 Speaker 1: shot a moose and we only had a certain amount 1340 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:35,559 Speaker 1: of time left. So he was a little aggravated that 1341 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:39,560 Speaker 1: we were wasting time. Yeah, yeah, no, I mean aggravated 1342 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,559 Speaker 1: is is a good but you know, not even a 1343 01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,519 Speaker 1: good enough word for it. Like he was just piste 1344 01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,000 Speaker 1: off that we were having to use any time when 1345 01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,800 Speaker 1: somebody still had a tag in camp. Yeah, and so 1346 01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:54,360 Speaker 1: like he was like, like we had to be we 1347 01:10:54,360 --> 01:10:56,160 Speaker 1: were out there kind of got the photo all set up, 1348 01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,680 Speaker 1: so like I've got photos of you know, Mike kind 1349 01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:01,439 Speaker 1: of like standing in place holding the stuff, and like 1350 01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,320 Speaker 1: like you know, we moved a whole bunch of boards, 1351 01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:08,080 Speaker 1: like to do a different backdrop against this barn. Like 1352 01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,320 Speaker 1: you know, we were trying to trying to come up 1353 01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:13,960 Speaker 1: with some different stuff and uh um yeah, so like 1354 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,760 Speaker 1: you were staying like a photos of you stand in 1355 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:18,599 Speaker 1: place and Mike stanyding in place and then obviously robing 1356 01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,480 Speaker 1: out here, and I've got photos of him uh um, 1357 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,720 Speaker 1: you know, standing with the backstrap and the knife, like 1358 01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:26,439 Speaker 1: you said, like kind of what was the vision in 1359 01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:29,720 Speaker 1: your head? And uh and then eventually you know, the 1360 01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:32,280 Speaker 1: photo that we went with against kind of like a 1361 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,479 Speaker 1: much like whier background on the top of that little hill. Um. 1362 01:11:36,520 --> 01:11:38,599 Speaker 1: But no, I mean like and I have a video 1363 01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:42,719 Speaker 1: too of it. Um like us kind of like having 1364 01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:48,559 Speaker 1: the the shot all prepped and uh there's some Luke 1365 01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:52,519 Speaker 1: Brian playing in the background. And that was a big 1366 01:11:52,560 --> 01:11:54,400 Speaker 1: part of the trip too. I remember that was a 1367 01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:57,320 Speaker 1: big part of the trip. But no, there's a yeah, 1368 01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,600 Speaker 1: there's a video like that songs playing and both you 1369 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,160 Speaker 1: and Rogan are dancing at one point, so you know, 1370 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,600 Speaker 1: we had a pretty good time. Um, but no, it 1371 01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,240 Speaker 1: was you know, like me because it was my first 1372 01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:16,040 Speaker 1: cover photo and so I was just you know, trying 1373 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,400 Speaker 1: to figure out like okay, what you know, how to 1374 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:20,599 Speaker 1: shoot this, how to frame this, and looking back on it, 1375 01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,280 Speaker 1: like I definitely would have done things differently, like knowing 1376 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,400 Speaker 1: that what I know now, Um, but just happy that 1377 01:12:27,400 --> 01:12:29,160 Speaker 1: it did turn out the way it did. Yeah, I 1378 01:12:29,160 --> 01:12:31,200 Speaker 1: mean it, you know, the what the vision in my 1379 01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,160 Speaker 1: head we had to put all we took all these 1380 01:12:33,200 --> 01:12:35,519 Speaker 1: boards from over that was behind a barn, put it, 1381 01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,000 Speaker 1: put him in a backstrap where Joe was going to 1382 01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,680 Speaker 1: stand with a knife and a backstrap, and that was 1383 01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:43,080 Speaker 1: the idea. Um, he was just gonna be kind of 1384 01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:45,439 Speaker 1: standing there, and it wasn't don't smile and should just 1385 01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:47,559 Speaker 1: just stand there. And I remember we were taking him 1386 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,559 Speaker 1: like that just doesn't I don't think that's gonna work, man, 1387 01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:53,400 Speaker 1: Like it could. It might, but I just don't feel like, 1388 01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,040 Speaker 1: let's we gotta try something else. I don't know, I 1389 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:57,760 Speaker 1: remember who had the idea for him to just be 1390 01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:01,639 Speaker 1: holding the moose quarter. Who knows. But at the point 1391 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,479 Speaker 1: I remember, at the point where we were we were 1392 01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:06,760 Speaker 1: doing the shoot at the top of that little hill 1393 01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:09,519 Speaker 1: with the actual photo we ended up using. I remember 1394 01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,720 Speaker 1: Joe like telling Hawkridge go get the truck and get 1395 01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:19,720 Speaker 1: it ready. He was over it. He's like, we got it. 1396 01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:21,920 Speaker 1: Whatever where you don't got I don't care. Ben needs 1397 01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,200 Speaker 1: to shoot a mose just to type of person he is. 1398 01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:25,760 Speaker 1: He wasn't doing that because he didn't want to do it. 1399 01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,000 Speaker 1: He was doing it because it was foolish not to 1400 01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,120 Speaker 1: be hunting while we had time for hunting. He thought 1401 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:35,280 Speaker 1: that was silly. And so you gotta piste off subject. 1402 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,040 Speaker 1: You got me trying to figure out, like what is 1403 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:39,120 Speaker 1: this even gonna be? And I don't know how many 1404 01:13:39,120 --> 01:13:42,120 Speaker 1: photos how many photos did you take of the shot 1405 01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,439 Speaker 1: where it ended up? I mean you can describe kind 1406 01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:46,599 Speaker 1: of what it looks like too for folks that haven't seen. Yeah. 1407 01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:49,400 Speaker 1: So so basically like we um, we kind of moved 1408 01:13:49,400 --> 01:13:51,920 Speaker 1: over into this little pasture area just the short grass, 1409 01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,880 Speaker 1: and I got real low and then had Rogod stand 1410 01:13:54,920 --> 01:13:57,120 Speaker 1: kind on the top of this hill and so it's 1411 01:13:57,120 --> 01:13:59,400 Speaker 1: got you know, a nice like white background behind him 1412 01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,400 Speaker 1: in the quarter and just the short grass in the foreground, 1413 01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:03,920 Speaker 1: just a lot of room for all the words and 1414 01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:07,520 Speaker 1: everything that needed to go on the cover, and then uh, 1415 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:10,400 Speaker 1: you know, I think I shot it wasn't nearly as 1416 01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,400 Speaker 1: many as it was in front of the in front 1417 01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,439 Speaker 1: of the other like ideas that we had, So you know, 1418 01:14:14,479 --> 01:14:20,080 Speaker 1: I probably only took oh it's like shots, yeah, for 1419 01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:23,360 Speaker 1: a cover shoot like shots. We probably shot a five 1420 01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:28,679 Speaker 1: hundred and the other location that we and so we yeah, 1421 01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:30,400 Speaker 1: so we just took this as like a last ditch 1422 01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,439 Speaker 1: effort and like throw that moose quarter over your shoulder 1423 01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,720 Speaker 1: on the suit we get and we mocked up all 1424 01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,360 Speaker 1: the photos. And I remember seeing this and seeing what 1425 01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,280 Speaker 1: you kill really big down the left side of the 1426 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:43,040 Speaker 1: page and seeing Joe just kind of like he I 1427 01:14:43,080 --> 01:14:44,880 Speaker 1: think his face is like that because he's pissed. He 1428 01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:47,960 Speaker 1: wants to go hunting, but at the end of the 1429 01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:51,000 Speaker 1: photo it just looks like I mean, I remember all 1430 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,800 Speaker 1: the commentary afterwards, like somehow we had described like we 1431 01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,599 Speaker 1: had designed this way. He's weren't a first light top 1432 01:14:55,640 --> 01:14:57,880 Speaker 1: and sick of bottoms. I remember getting so many comments 1433 01:14:57,840 --> 01:15:00,599 Speaker 1: from people like thank gosh, you did that, you know, uh, 1434 01:15:00,760 --> 01:15:02,960 Speaker 1: trying to go against the sponsor. I was like, no, 1435 01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:05,599 Speaker 1: that's just what he was wearing. I didn't. We didn't 1436 01:15:05,600 --> 01:15:08,040 Speaker 1: tell him what to wear, you know, yeah, we didn't. 1437 01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,720 Speaker 1: We didn't plan that. No, we just he just was 1438 01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,840 Speaker 1: wearing that and he would have punched us in the 1439 01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:14,640 Speaker 1: face had we tried to make a wardrobe change. And 1440 01:15:17,479 --> 01:15:20,320 Speaker 1: so yeah, man, and I don't know. We just said 1441 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:22,479 Speaker 1: pick that up and see what it looks like. And 1442 01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:24,960 Speaker 1: you know, after all said and done, that's the cover 1443 01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:30,600 Speaker 1: of the April May two thousand and fifteen cover of 1444 01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:34,160 Speaker 1: Peterson Sunning. Um. And certainly I'll share that We've all 1445 01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:35,960 Speaker 1: shared it a million times. Every time we share it 1446 01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,560 Speaker 1: just gets people just go nuts because it is. It 1447 01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,280 Speaker 1: seems like it blows up more every year. I think 1448 01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:44,400 Speaker 1: it's coming right up. It's typically um, I think towards 1449 01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:47,160 Speaker 1: the end of March. Yeah, it's like our yearly, our 1450 01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,040 Speaker 1: yearly thing where we look back on this and shared 1451 01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:54,160 Speaker 1: everybody remember this because it really is. Man, I couldn't 1452 01:15:54,200 --> 01:15:56,599 Speaker 1: you know the best way to start like this these 1453 01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:00,120 Speaker 1: THHD Daily Quarantine podcast. For me, I was like, I 1454 01:16:00,120 --> 01:16:01,920 Speaker 1: just want to tell stories. I've done so many cool 1455 01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,000 Speaker 1: things and outside of my life and sometimes on the show, 1456 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:08,799 Speaker 1: on our regular show, um, we get into controversial topics 1457 01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:13,000 Speaker 1: or controversial guests and and other silly jokes and stuff, 1458 01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:17,599 Speaker 1: and and too often forget about hunting stories man, and 1459 01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:19,639 Speaker 1: what they mean to our lives and kind of where 1460 01:16:20,200 --> 01:16:22,839 Speaker 1: not not only the hunt in this case, because obviously 1461 01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,160 Speaker 1: after we as soon as we were done shooting these photos, 1462 01:16:25,280 --> 01:16:27,840 Speaker 1: Joe had us in the truck and then the story 1463 01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:31,200 Speaker 1: we told at the beginning the podcast happened. I mean 1464 01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:34,719 Speaker 1: literally we we have were fresh off the photo shoot. Yeah, 1465 01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:37,200 Speaker 1: it was like hanging the quarterback up, getting the truck. 1466 01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:39,400 Speaker 1: We were out like and then we were back with 1467 01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:42,639 Speaker 1: yours in twenty minutes. We're back of mine. The other 1468 01:16:42,640 --> 01:16:44,559 Speaker 1: people that were still back at camp, like when we 1469 01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:46,120 Speaker 1: came rolling back in, they were like, oh what do 1470 01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:52,840 Speaker 1: you forget? So yeah, and all the drunkenness and crazy 1471 01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:56,320 Speaker 1: stuff afterwards. But you know, hunting stories being how they are. 1472 01:16:56,920 --> 01:16:58,760 Speaker 1: Not only is this a hunting story about a moose, 1473 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:00,719 Speaker 1: but like there's so much about says that you're saying 1474 01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:04,400 Speaker 1: before that just I don't know, so so much serendipity. 1475 01:17:04,439 --> 01:17:10,080 Speaker 1: There's so much um like transformative things that happened there. 1476 01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:13,400 Speaker 1: People I met, I met, you become good friends. We've 1477 01:17:13,600 --> 01:17:16,240 Speaker 1: adventured all over the world together Joe. I met Joe. 1478 01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:18,559 Speaker 1: We've become good friends and gone all over the place 1479 01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:21,880 Speaker 1: and hunted together. Um, and through Joe, I've met so 1480 01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:26,240 Speaker 1: many people, and I just couldn't imagine this not have 1481 01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:28,160 Speaker 1: happened in my life or where i'd be if if 1482 01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:32,519 Speaker 1: this hunt's got canceled the day before or something. Yeah, No, 1483 01:17:32,720 --> 01:17:34,600 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's really hard to know kind of 1484 01:17:34,600 --> 01:17:37,080 Speaker 1: where I'd be at without, you know, being given the 1485 01:17:37,080 --> 01:17:41,799 Speaker 1: opportunity to go up there and you know shoot that photo. Um, 1486 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:43,600 Speaker 1: Like we said earlier in the podcast, I think it 1487 01:17:43,640 --> 01:17:45,840 Speaker 1: was just a you know, for for all of us, 1488 01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,040 Speaker 1: kind of just a big stepping stone in the you know, 1489 01:17:49,160 --> 01:17:52,080 Speaker 1: in this world of hunting and cooking and you know 1490 01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:54,680 Speaker 1: everything that we're up to. Yeah, for sure. And I 1491 01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:59,160 Speaker 1: will say that, Um, one thing that I remember about 1492 01:17:59,200 --> 01:18:03,120 Speaker 1: this people always ask about you know, you and I 1493 01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:08,120 Speaker 1: both have hunted with some really you know, notable individuals, right, 1494 01:18:08,200 --> 01:18:14,080 Speaker 1: people that a lot of people admire. And after this 1495 01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:18,519 Speaker 1: was all over, Mike Cockeradge is another person I admire. 1496 01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:20,360 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be a celebrity. He and his 1497 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:26,759 Speaker 1: wife drove Rogan's meat down to l A from British Columbia. 1498 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,120 Speaker 1: It's no short drive because you couldn't couldn't. We couldn't. 1499 01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:31,479 Speaker 1: We didn't have time to really get it all on 1500 01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:34,880 Speaker 1: the plane, and it was all a huge thing. They 1501 01:18:34,960 --> 01:18:38,760 Speaker 1: drove his meat down to l A, which was a 1502 01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:41,519 Speaker 1: huge task to do just to drop his meat off 1503 01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:44,080 Speaker 1: from his moose. And then, you know, a couple of 1504 01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,120 Speaker 1: weeks after the hunt, I get a call from Joe 1505 01:18:46,400 --> 01:18:47,920 Speaker 1: and he's like, hey, how much does a hunt like 1506 01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:51,280 Speaker 1: that cost? I said, well, you know, for us, it's 1507 01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:55,960 Speaker 1: Mike just you know, it was nothing for the publicity 1508 01:18:56,120 --> 01:18:59,360 Speaker 1: like he was doing it, um so he could get 1509 01:18:59,439 --> 01:19:01,920 Speaker 1: you know, some voriety for his business around the magazine. 1510 01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:06,320 Speaker 1: That's you know, that's not that's not uncommon in our industry. Um. 1511 01:19:07,320 --> 01:19:09,040 Speaker 1: And Joe said, well, yeah, that's fine whatever. I don't 1512 01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:10,600 Speaker 1: care about how much would if I was going to 1513 01:19:10,640 --> 01:19:12,320 Speaker 1: pay for him something like this, how much would it be? 1514 01:19:12,360 --> 01:19:14,800 Speaker 1: And I told him it wasn't. She's not cheap, you know, 1515 01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,240 Speaker 1: thousands of dollars, many thousands of dollars. And I told him, 1516 01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:19,360 Speaker 1: I was like, all I look it up and I 1517 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:22,280 Speaker 1: texted it to him and then I get a call 1518 01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:25,200 Speaker 1: maybe a week or two late after that from my cockerage, 1519 01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:27,120 Speaker 1: She's like, man, I just gotta check from Joe for 1520 01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:31,040 Speaker 1: you know whatever, nine grand like what, So, Yeah, I 1521 01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,320 Speaker 1: gotta check from Joe. Um And a little note in 1522 01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:38,280 Speaker 1: it just said, you know, um, you earned this the 1523 01:19:38,360 --> 01:19:39,960 Speaker 1: best hunt in my life or something like that. I 1524 01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,519 Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what it said, but that just goes 1525 01:19:42,560 --> 01:19:44,920 Speaker 1: to show the kind of dude we're dealing with here, Um, 1526 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:47,760 Speaker 1: with Joe Rogan. So people that asked, like, what kind 1527 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:53,120 Speaker 1: of guy is he? Um, that's it. That's what it is. Yeah, 1528 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,680 Speaker 1: this straight stand up guy and my cackage is the 1529 01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,880 Speaker 1: same exact damn way. And and so it's just a 1530 01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:04,479 Speaker 1: good example of like, even though there was cover shoots 1531 01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,880 Speaker 1: and all this other stuff that surrounded this is just 1532 01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,080 Speaker 1: a good time with some really great people. And that's 1533 01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:13,200 Speaker 1: how I remember it. But but it's it became more 1534 01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,960 Speaker 1: than that and the years, the years after anyway, it's 1535 01:20:17,040 --> 01:20:19,040 Speaker 1: it's it's still one of my favorite hunting trips of 1536 01:20:19,040 --> 01:20:23,479 Speaker 1: all time. Yeah, for sure, And let's go back. Let's 1537 01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:26,519 Speaker 1: go I'd love to go back. Uh, we're all way 1538 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,840 Speaker 1: busier than we probably were then, at least we think 1539 01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:31,120 Speaker 1: at least this point but I'd love to go back 1540 01:20:31,200 --> 01:20:33,760 Speaker 1: up there. And just even though you know I'd love 1541 01:20:33,800 --> 01:20:35,320 Speaker 1: to go to the Yukon and kill a moose, I 1542 01:20:35,320 --> 01:20:41,120 Speaker 1: would love to go um other places, Alaska, whatever. There's 1543 01:20:41,160 --> 01:20:45,600 Speaker 1: something about like that that this experience exactly doing it 1544 01:20:45,640 --> 01:20:50,080 Speaker 1: again would be great. Yeah, yeah, I would agree. Awesome, Man, 1545 01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:59,200 Speaker 1: make it happen to post post quarantine reunion tour. I 1546 01:20:59,240 --> 01:21:03,639 Speaker 1: love it. Quarantine's quarantine alright, brother, Well, I really appreciate 1547 01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,920 Speaker 1: it man spending time with him. I don't know how 1548 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,200 Speaker 1: long these that these stories would go, but this one was. 1549 01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:14,040 Speaker 1: It needed the time, it needed signs. So this is 1550 01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:19,040 Speaker 1: the first ever th C Quarantine Daily, and we're gonna 1551 01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:21,519 Speaker 1: be back tomorrow with another great guest. I got a 1552 01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:24,200 Speaker 1: bunch of people in the hopper. Um here, we got 1553 01:21:24,280 --> 01:21:28,160 Speaker 1: Remy Warren hopefully. Uh. I shot a couple of texts 1554 01:21:28,200 --> 01:21:31,759 Speaker 1: around the guys like Cam Haines and Steve Ronnella and 1555 01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:35,360 Speaker 1: uh old cal Ryan Callahan is gonna be in here. 1556 01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:38,479 Speaker 1: We're gonna have Mark Kenyon in here talking, so we're 1557 01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:40,599 Speaker 1: gonna tell stories. We have a good time. We've got 1558 01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:45,280 Speaker 1: some more contests. We're going to announce next next uh episode, 1559 01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:50,160 Speaker 1: some other fun stuff, some some really interesting um stories 1560 01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:54,519 Speaker 1: all the way from Bulgaria to Dominican Republic to New Zealand, 1561 01:21:54,600 --> 01:21:58,000 Speaker 1: a bunch of places we're gonna discover until this goddamn 1562 01:21:58,080 --> 01:22:00,720 Speaker 1: quarantine is over. I'm gonna be in the US room 1563 01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,320 Speaker 1: ripping out hunting stories with folks like Sam and many others, 1564 01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,240 Speaker 1: So please stick around with us. We'll see you tomorrow morning. 1565 01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:11,960 Speaker 1: The Hunting Collective with Ben O'Brien is a part of 1566 01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:14,880 Speaker 1: the meat Eater podcast network. It is produced by Cringe 1567 01:22:14,880 --> 01:22:17,559 Speaker 1: Schneider and engineered by Phil Taylor. You can find it 1568 01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:21,080 Speaker 1: on iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify, the meat eater dot com, or 1569 01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:24,559 Speaker 1: anywhere podcasts are downloadable wherever you listen, leave a five 1570 01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:26,080 Speaker 1: star review and subscribe.