00:00:08 Speaker 1: Well, I invited you here. I thought I made myself perfectly clear. When you're a guest to my home, you gotta come to me empty. And I said, no, guests, your presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey me? 00:00:46 Speaker 2: Welcome to? I said, no gifts. I'm Richard Wineger. I'm gonna be doing a podcast for the next hour or so, so nobody bother me. I just need to get into it and talk to our guests. Any distractions would be a difficulty for me. Speaking of our guests absolutely wonderful. I think everyone is going to love this conversation. I can guarantee it. It's Brandon Kyle Goodman, Brandon, Hi, Welcome to, I said, no gifts. 00:01:18 Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I'm so happy to be here. This is so exciting. 00:01:22 Speaker 2: I've just given a big promise to the listener. I've made a guarantee. 00:01:26 Speaker 3: I know. I hope we tell them. I really do hope we tell them. That's my goal. 00:01:31 Speaker 2: People are going to be showing up at my house with receipts asking for their money back, and I'm going to give it to them. 00:01:39 Speaker 3: I think you said, I think that's good customer service. 00:01:41 Speaker 2: Now, I run an honest business. Yeah, that's always right. Everyone loves that about me as a business owner, and that's kind of what I stake my name on and how I'm kind of powering my way through the world. 00:01:56 Speaker 3: Absolutely, she's an entrepreneur. 00:01:58 Speaker 2: I feel that, Brandon, How are you? 00:02:02 Speaker 3: I'm good. 00:02:03 Speaker 4: You know, I'm at home chatting with you. This is great and you have a nice, very easy. 00:02:08 Speaker 3: Energy, which I love. 00:02:10 Speaker 2: Well so far, so far. 00:02:11 Speaker 3: I'm expecting chaos at the end of this, yeah, guaranteed. 00:02:17 Speaker 2: Where are you? Whereabouts in the Los Angeles area? 00:02:20 Speaker 3: I am in Hollywood, which I'm not. I don't love. I don't love. I hate it. 00:02:25 Speaker 4: I hate it here, but that is where I am. I love my apartment, but I do hate Hollywood. So hopefully I won't be here much longer. 00:02:34 Speaker 2: What about Hollywood is driving you out of your mind? 00:02:38 Speaker 3: What is not driving me out of my mind? 00:02:39 Speaker 4: It's like, I mean, it's like if you got an apartment in Times Square, you know zan. 00:02:43 Speaker 2: You know you're in deeply. 00:02:45 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm like in Hollywood, you know what. 00:02:47 Speaker 4: My block is very quiet, and I'm like right above where all the craziness is. But it's just sometimes it migrates to this area and it's just like it's not cute. 00:02:58 Speaker 2: Where are you in Highland Park? 00:03:01 Speaker 3: Oh cute, I'll see what a dream? 00:03:04 Speaker 2: Oh? 00:03:04 Speaker 3: Jealous? So there's so much space behind you. Look at that Highland Park? Jealous? 00:03:10 Speaker 2: How long have you been in Hollywood? 00:03:12 Speaker 3: Two years? 00:03:13 Speaker 4: So we moved in May, and then literally a few months later the pandemic, well I guess almost a year later the pandemic started. 00:03:21 Speaker 3: So then we were trapped little situation. 00:03:24 Speaker 2: And was Hollywood your first neighborhood in La. 00:03:28 Speaker 4: No, So when I first moved to LA, I lived in like five different neighborhoods. I started in Larchmont, and then I was at like West Adams, and then I was at Glendale. 00:03:38 Speaker 3: And then we were uh, like not we you know, like by Beverly It's like we hoe Ish but like the Melrose. 00:03:46 Speaker 2: I believe maybe Beverly Wood might. 00:03:50 Speaker 3: District, Yes, the Fairfax District. Yes. And then we moved to West Hollywood proper. 00:03:57 Speaker 4: We had the zip code, but it's not like where the clubs are. And then we moved to Hollywood, same zip code, but it's LA. It's not West Hollywood as they reminded us when we moved. 00:04:11 Speaker 2: What time period was all of the I mean, did this fall under all this moving around? 00:04:15 Speaker 4: Yes, so those first couple of places was definitely within the first year, which was awful. And then we my husband moved here and we settled in that Fairfax district for like a month, and then we found our wee host spot and we were there for two years maybe, and then we've been here. 00:04:30 Speaker 3: For two years. I think that math works. I don't. 00:04:32 Speaker 2: It's too much moving. 00:04:34 Speaker 3: It's a lot, and I. 00:04:36 Speaker 2: Want to move. 00:04:37 Speaker 3: Look at me, I'm upset. I'm gonna take it to moving. 00:04:43 Speaker 2: And you feel like the geography is going to do it? 00:04:46 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, I feel like I'll find my perfect place and then and then everything will be perfect. 00:04:52 Speaker 2: Right, no problems from there on. 00:04:55 Speaker 3: I should find the right apartment. 00:05:00 Speaker 2: But what else has been going on in your life? 00:05:02 Speaker 3: What else? 00:05:03 Speaker 1: You know? 00:05:03 Speaker 3: I'm writing on a show. So I just went back to work full time, which man, oh man, working what's that about? What's jobs about? That's just like crazy? 00:05:16 Speaker 4: So it's great, you know, staring at a screen all day and I wish I had more exciting things. But I feel like the exciting things that are happening. I don't this podcast. I feel like it's not s A PG thirteen, Right, you know. 00:05:26 Speaker 2: You can talk about whatever you want. The door is open. For whatever reason, Apple has rated this an explicit podcast, and I feel like, where did that come from? 00:05:34 Speaker 3: We're not delivering the explicity explicitness I can. 00:05:41 Speaker 2: So that's what's exciting going on in your life? Just explicit behavior. 00:05:45 Speaker 4: Explicit behavior? Yes, good, you can't talk about on a podcast. 00:05:52 Speaker 3: That's what's exciting in my line. 00:05:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a good question, like what is the listener? What explicit behavior does the listener tolerate? And it's impossible to tell. 00:06:04 Speaker 4: It's what I'm excited about is that people are probably guessing what it is, and it's probably all sorts of things are like based off of his voice, Like what explicit behavior could he be partaking at? 00:06:16 Speaker 3: You'll never know. 00:06:17 Speaker 2: It's none of your business, listener. It's you know, that is just something that we're not going to reveal to you maybe later on in this podcast. Yeah, keep you listening. You've got to keep people. You've got to just bait people. And you're like you've got the caret dangling from the string and you're just trying to pull them through an entire episode of. 00:06:36 Speaker 4: The podcast planting these seeds. And maybe we'll pay it off. Maybe maybe not. 00:06:41 Speaker 3: We don't know, we'll find out. I guess. 00:06:45 Speaker 2: Here's a question for you. Have you ever bought an accent chair? 00:06:50 Speaker 4: I have dreams of buying an accent share, but I feel like an accent chair requires a certain amount of money, you know, like you got to be making a lot, a certain amount of I need to be like, oh, yeah, I'm gonna get an accent chair. 00:07:02 Speaker 3: I need chairs still, like I need useful chairs. So no, I've not have you. 00:07:09 Speaker 2: I've recently found myself in a position where I need a chair. 00:07:13 Speaker 3: You need a chair. 00:07:14 Speaker 2: I've never done this before, okay, and it is excruciating. 00:07:17 Speaker 3: It's painful. 00:07:18 Speaker 2: There's so much money. 00:07:19 Speaker 3: Need just one chair. It's so much money. The accent chairs are. 00:07:23 Speaker 2: And for nothing. They're a decoration. 00:07:24 Speaker 3: No one even sits, isn't it because it's cost so much money? Please do not sit in that? What are you doing? Get off that? 00:07:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I have in my living room there's enough space for a chair or a lounge chair. I'm learning so much, but sure, you start looking at these things. They're extremely expensive and you want to pick the right one. Yes, I it's going to be months before I settle on one. 00:07:49 Speaker 3: Oh, it takes a long time. 00:07:51 Speaker 2: You're sitting here in front of a I mentioned this before we began recording a wall fully decorated. 00:07:57 Speaker 4: With art, absolutely, but the trick has a majority of them are photos that I printed out at CBS, and then I went to Michael's and I got a bunch of frames. Some of them are are really nice frames, but a couple of them or most of them are just from Michaels. 00:08:11 Speaker 2: So you could have me fooled. 00:08:12 Speaker 3: I know, that's the plan. I like to fool people. 00:08:15 Speaker 2: It was the was the nailing them into the like hanging them on the wall stressful. 00:08:20 Speaker 4: Here's the thing about me, organization really zends me out. So for other people, very stressful, but for me, a treat, a delight, a joy. 00:08:29 Speaker 3: I looked forward to it, couldn't wait. 00:08:31 Speaker 4: They actually were all on another wall and I was like, I don't like it there, So I took them all down and did them on a different wall. 00:08:36 Speaker 2: And then do you have to paint the wall? 00:08:40 Speaker 3: We could talk about that later, I mean some point, some point, I'm sure at some point, i'll have to. But I just covered it with a bigger art piece, so that's okay. 00:08:53 Speaker 2: Perfect. That stresses me out. Hanging art is I've been at this place for a year and only in the last two months if we hung any any type. 00:09:03 Speaker 3: Of art anything. Yeah, and even that, I'm. 00:09:05 Speaker 2: Still like, I'm recovering from. I don't know. It's a lot to do it. 00:09:09 Speaker 4: Well, you're like, like, it's a reflection of you when people come over, and you're like, well, what they think about me is as good enough? 00:09:15 Speaker 3: Well they like it, you know. There's a lot of stress, which is but. 00:09:18 Speaker 2: A blank wall is the worst reflection. It's so scary looking it is. 00:09:22 Speaker 3: Whenever I see a blank wall, I do get concerned. But that's La. 00:09:25 Speaker 4: La loves a blank wall, whereas I feel like New York loves you know, they fill their apartments with things. And I'm a New Yorker at heart, so well not at heart, I am a New Yorker, So. 00:09:36 Speaker 2: That's very true. I think that is kind of the unspoken thing, the one final difference between La and New York that no one has talked about yet. 00:09:45 Speaker 3: And we're gonna do here, We're gonna break it here. 00:09:47 Speaker 2: That just broke the story. People are going to the printing presses. We've found one final difference between these cities, something that new transplants from either city can talk about. It's what's being hung on the wall. 00:10:00 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:10:00 Speaker 2: Absolutely, New York has a nice, busy wall. Rooms are full and feel just kind of bountiful. 00:10:06 Speaker 3: Yes. La is minimalist. 00:10:08 Speaker 4: She doesn't want she doesn't. I think she wants, you know, she wants space between her photos. And I'm like, what's going on there? 00:10:14 Speaker 3: Babes? 00:10:15 Speaker 2: Oh my god, lord, oh lord? Do you drive? 00:10:20 Speaker 3: I do? Do you? Oh? Yeah, I learned to drive to move here. 00:10:25 Speaker 2: Did you learn in New York or in LA? 00:10:27 Speaker 3: I learned in New York and I'm grateful for that. 00:10:29 Speaker 2: So this you've only learned to drive in the last few years. 00:10:32 Speaker 3: I've only been driving for six years. Yeah, I've been in LA for six years. 00:10:35 Speaker 2: Do you consider yourself a good driver? 00:10:37 Speaker 3: A fabulous driver? Honey? 00:10:39 Speaker 2: Really? 00:10:39 Speaker 3: Yes, I think I'm great. 00:10:41 Speaker 2: What does your husband think? 00:10:43 Speaker 3: He thinks I'm good. 00:10:44 Speaker 4: Too, He's he's a faster driver than me. I'm very cautious. And because i'm I think in New York, when you grew up taking yellow cabs, you know what bad driving is. Yeah, oh, so like I understand how bad driving looks, but I also understand how to get you there fast too, So like, listen, I can get you places much faster than you should get there safely. 00:11:08 Speaker 2: I'm so envious because I'll get you there slowly and your life will be at risk the entire time, and it's getting worse. It's so frightening. So I'm very jealous. So you had a kind of you paid a professional to teach you how to drive. 00:11:22 Speaker 4: I okay, yes, So when I was in New York, I forget I was teaching. I used to be a fitness instructor, and I was teaching classes in the Hamptons. It's so bougie. I couldn't afford anything in the Hamptons. By the way, if you go to the Hamptons, I mean they gave us, like I think they gave us like one hundred dollars a day or something like that, which you think would be like, oh you're rolling, honey, not at all. That's breakfast, Like the Hamptons is fucking stupid. Literally, we would actually all pool our money together as instructors so that we could survive. 00:11:55 Speaker 3: But while I was there. 00:11:56 Speaker 4: I was watching an episode of Real House Lies of New York and Ramona's daughter was learning how to drive, and they advertised the school, and that's the school I went to. 00:12:05 Speaker 3: I called them. 00:12:06 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, that's a driving school. If Ramona's daughter is learning, my god, I must as well. And they taught me and I failed the first time, how badly? H to the point where the the fucking h what do they call him? The test person who had to grade me? Whatever that name is? 00:12:27 Speaker 2: Uh? 00:12:28 Speaker 3: She said what do you do? I said, I'm an actor. 00:12:30 Speaker 4: She's like, well, I'm gonna tell people when I see you in a movie that that man can't drive. And I was like, oh wow, wow. She's like, oh my good luck in LA. But I'm telling people that he couldn't drive. 00:12:41 Speaker 3: I was like, wow, shattered, shattered. 00:12:46 Speaker 2: What were you doing? That was so horrible? 00:12:50 Speaker 4: I think where I really fucked up was you know, like how you have to make that well I don't know what it's called, but like when you're gonna make a laugh at the light, but you have to wait for all the cars to go and then you make it sure yellow. I did not know how to do that. I was like cars were coming. 00:13:08 Speaker 3: I was like, now do we go down? 00:13:12 Speaker 4: And she was Luckily, you know, she has her own brakes and she like pressed on the brakes. 00:13:16 Speaker 3: Were really like, no, what are you a full car coming? 00:13:19 Speaker 2: I mean, that is the scariest part of an intersection. It's kind of just been You're kind of floating there in space until you've gott an opportunity. 00:13:26 Speaker 4: Waiting for your chance to go. And I just didn't know how to how to do that. But then I did it a second time and here we are driving. 00:13:36 Speaker 3: For six years. 00:13:38 Speaker 2: So with this, uh, circling back to this group of fitness instructors, what you were like a pod of instructors that were floating around various bougie neighborhoods. What how does this work? 00:13:48 Speaker 4: Yes, so I used to work in specifically in New York. Does Ellie have this yeah, boutique fitness right, it's like like a Barrie's boot camp. 00:13:56 Speaker 3: Or I worked at Flywheel. These are like boutique fitness student. 00:14:01 Speaker 4: So I worked for Flywheel fly Bar, but they also had a studio in the Hamptons, and so what they would do is that it was only open for the summer, so they would ship their instructors from the city to the Hamptons for like several days at a time, and so you would go there for like a week or two weeks, and you would live in an instructor house. 00:14:20 Speaker 2: And then a reality show. 00:14:23 Speaker 4: Literally, I think they've probably done this and it's not interesting. 00:14:28 Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm not a reality producer. I didn't ask you here to criticize my reality show ideas. 00:14:34 Speaker 3: Brandon, what kind of reality show do you like? 00:14:37 Speaker 2: The only Okay, so, the only real reality show that I've watched consistently is very recent Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, and that's because I'm from Utah. 00:14:48 Speaker 3: Yeah. 00:14:49 Speaker 2: Do you watch it? 00:14:50 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I love it. 00:14:55 Speaker 2: How are you feeling about the new season? 00:14:57 Speaker 4: So the first season, you know, everyone's first season and the Housewives except if you go like way back to like New York and Atlanta, which I'm sure don't age well. But if you like, the first season's rough because they're all trying too hard. So we're just establishing this second season though, my god, it is just I mean, just the opening alone, I was like, these people a fucking oscar. I know it's on a movie, but fuck, like they deserve it. An honorary Oscar Shit so good? 00:15:26 Speaker 3: How are you feel? 00:15:26 Speaker 2: Very high drama from moment one? 00:15:28 Speaker 3: From moment one. 00:15:30 Speaker 4: Because all of our housewives are going to jail, and it's just I shouldn't find it delicious to watch, but it's very entertaining. 00:15:37 Speaker 2: If all of these women end up in the same prison. I mean, we can just end earth. That will be the final act of humanity. That would the most incredible thing that ever happened. 00:15:46 Speaker 3: And we could do another reality show, right. 00:15:51 Speaker 2: No, I really love the show. I like, I had never gotten into housewives, and I was like, if one of them is going to do it for me, this will be it. Yes, and it's worked very well. 00:16:01 Speaker 3: You should also try Atlanta. 00:16:03 Speaker 2: I would now that I'm like kind of into the rhythm of the show and have kind of like let the artifice and the weird phoniness of reality kind of wash over me. Yes, I think I'm ready to unlock some new doors. 00:16:17 Speaker 3: Atlanta and Potomac are really they deliver? They really do deliver. 00:16:22 Speaker 2: Are they like also very high drama? 00:16:25 Speaker 3: Oh? Of course the highness. If it's not high drama, what are we doing here? So? 00:16:31 Speaker 2: Should I start with Atlanta? Then? 00:16:33 Speaker 4: I think so I actually one of my friends loved Beverly Hills and she never watched Atlanta, and she I think finished Atlanta in like a matter of like two weeks. I think Atlanta well because also, like Atlanta has a lot of seasons, and I think Atlanta was like, look at me, It's like I could do a Ted talk on Housewives. 00:16:51 Speaker 3: So excited. 00:16:54 Speaker 4: I think it was like the third franchise, so they've been around for a minute. So what's kind of fun is if you start like season one, like the fashions and the faces are different, Honey, the faces do not look how they look today. So watching that journey, that evolution and all of them deny the work, but you're like. 00:17:13 Speaker 3: Uh, evidence, I see hours and hours of footage. 00:17:21 Speaker 1: Yeah. 00:17:21 Speaker 2: I've tried Beverly Hills a couple of times, and that's like where I wasn't able to get into it. So maybe it's time for another French. 00:17:27 Speaker 4: Beverly Hills is hard. I'm into it now. Beverly Hills was hard, and I think it's hard. Let's just say it because it's just like rich white women and you're like, I don't. 00:17:36 Speaker 3: Care about your problems. 00:17:38 Speaker 4: But eventually I think they find the right rhythm and it works, and this season is especially very good. 00:17:45 Speaker 2: Okay, well we'll see. Yeah, I started watching Survivor recently. I'm twenty years late. Oh my god, what having a wonderful time. Wow, I feel like a like an eighty year old man being like, have you seen Sururvivor? 00:17:59 Speaker 4: I haven't watched Survivors since season one, which we were in diapers. 00:18:04 Speaker 2: No, we were, certainly. I mean it was a very long time ago. That show has been going forever. 00:18:09 Speaker 3: Are you starting from the beginning or you just started, Like. 00:18:12 Speaker 2: There were like two seasons on Netflix that a friend recommended one of them, so we watched that. It's like a later maybe twenty fourteen. Okay, powered through that one, loved it, and now went back to season two, which feels like like watching PBS. Like the way the show has evolved is like so wild. I mean, it's still a game show or whatever. But season two it's like not, you know, it's not the heightened reality we're all. 00:18:38 Speaker 3: How gripping it was back in the day because we knew no different at right. 00:18:42 Speaker 2: Well, and in some ways it's good where it's like, oh, it's not so much about the game it's more about people just like hating camping for forty five days. 00:18:50 Speaker 3: I hate camping for an hour. 00:18:52 Speaker 2: Somebody burns their hands off. Oh no, that guy falls into a fire and you like you see footage of his hand. It's like burnt. It's brutal. 00:19:02 Speaker 3: No, that's my hell. The river is literally my hell. Like that like to me, if like if hell is real, like that's where I would go to fucking sub riv. 00:19:11 Speaker 2: You hate to camp, hate it. 00:19:14 Speaker 4: I could write a whole dissertation about how much I hate it. 00:19:18 Speaker 3: Now. 00:19:19 Speaker 4: In my defense, one, I'm from New York, who can like New Yorkers don't fucking camp. But two, I just did an allergy test, you know, like when they like prick your back with all the stuff. And at the end of that, because I'm having a lot of like allergy stuff, and at the end of that, my allergists apologized because she was like, you're allergic to everything, like all these different types. 00:19:40 Speaker 3: Of trees and grass and dust and knowledge. 00:19:43 Speaker 4: She said, don't hike before ten a m stop hiking by twelve. 00:19:47 Speaker 3: It's a it's a whole thing. 00:19:49 Speaker 4: So I think, in my defense, camping or any kind of like nature stuff is literally miserable. 00:19:56 Speaker 3: On my body. And it's not just me being bougie a little bit y bogie. 00:20:00 Speaker 2: But so, like, what extent have you camped? 00:20:05 Speaker 4: You know, like in middle school we used to go to camps, like you know, summer camps for sure, But you're talking about like. 00:20:13 Speaker 3: Real grown camping. Uh, I won't. I never never appealed to me. 00:20:19 Speaker 2: So I did. 00:20:22 Speaker 3: Camp and that's outside and that's enough for me. 00:20:25 Speaker 4: The cabins were gross to me, you know, like you want me to move to a tent if I can't handle a. 00:20:31 Speaker 2: Cab Could I encourage you to sleep on dirt? 00:20:34 Speaker 1: Yo? 00:20:35 Speaker 4: If you can't a bed in a cabin is miserable? How will I do inside of a piece of fabric with on the floor? 00:20:43 Speaker 3: No, not me. 00:20:44 Speaker 2: Could I offer you an opportunity to have no running water or toilets? 00:20:48 Speaker 3: Sounds awful? 00:20:50 Speaker 4: When people tell me they find themselves out there, I'm like, ah, really wow, sounds wow? 00:20:56 Speaker 3: Good for you? 00:20:57 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I I like to imagine I love camping, but I haven't been in a decade. I haven't. I actually I can't speak to it at this point. Why am I sitting here trying to encourage someone else? 00:21:07 Speaker 3: To camp. My husband loves that. 00:21:09 Speaker 2: Does that cause trouble between you two? Is like, why don't you come camping with me? 00:21:12 Speaker 4: It did in the beginning, and then he learned very quickly that that was a battle he was going to lose. 00:21:17 Speaker 3: So he gave up on it and we're both happier for it. 00:21:20 Speaker 2: You know, That's the secret. Sometimes there are things that are just not another person's cup of tea. 00:21:26 Speaker 4: Leave it alone, yeah, because if you drag them, they're going to be miserable. It's going to ruin your time. 00:21:31 Speaker 2: Right, So he's going camping on his own. 00:21:35 Speaker 4: Yes, or with friends who like to camp, because I don't know, I feel like we're kindred spirit. I have a face where if I'm upset, it just I don't know how to fake that. 00:21:45 Speaker 3: It's just there. 00:21:46 Speaker 4: So I will make you feel uncomfortable and you're like, wow, he's mad. 00:21:51 Speaker 2: Why did we bring bread? Okay? Look, speaking about things that are kind of uncomfortable and inconvenient, yea unsettling. I asked you on this podcast recently, and I was so excited Brandon's going to be on the podcast. We'll have a nice time, we'll get to know each other, we'll move on with our lives and hopefully never see each other again. That was the place, just have that one golden moment. And so, you know, we scheduled everything. We were getting ready and the podcast is called I said No Gifts, Yes, very clear title. It's all over the internet, it was people are screaming up from the rooftops. It's in all of our emails. I have plenty of you know, I've got documents indicating that you're familiar. I'm familiar. 00:22:39 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think you sent me a contract too that I've designed that said. 00:22:42 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, right, there could be some legal action here. 00:22:46 Speaker 3: I signed it in blood too. It was really crazy. 00:22:49 Speaker 2: I thought that was a little dramatic. 00:22:50 Speaker 3: I go, but you know, I like the dramas. 00:22:52 Speaker 2: We're in the middle of a pandemic. I was thinking, oh, this material here. 00:23:00 Speaker 3: A story. 00:23:04 Speaker 2: Look, I was a little surprised when I opened the door earlier and it appeared there was something from me, not from me, for you, for me. The operating here is for me from Brandon. 00:23:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, Richard, I'm a rebel. You know, I don't like authority, So. 00:23:25 Speaker 2: You're kind of a James Dean. 00:23:27 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure. 00:23:29 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, look, you know everyone has their brand and so I mean, I guess let's just get it out in the open here. Is this a gift for me? 00:23:39 Speaker 3: It is a gift for you. 00:23:41 Speaker 4: Yeah, because you told me not to bring one, and you know, I was like, fuck it, it's opposite day. 00:23:45 Speaker 3: So I'm going to sent you. 00:23:48 Speaker 2: Well, do you want me to it's kind of in this black bag here. You want me to open it here on the podcast. 00:23:52 Speaker 4: I'd love you too, because there's something I love more than people opening gifts that I've given them in front of me. It's my I like to stare at them in their eyes as they do that. 00:24:09 Speaker 2: Okay, let's get some tissue near the microphone. 00:24:12 Speaker 3: Yes, really, let the people feel. Yeah, yeah, just crinkle crinkle. 00:24:18 Speaker 2: Oh wait, you've sent me Vasiline body bomb, Yes, very much. So, I'm I'm not familiar with a full body bomb. I'm familiar with a bomb. I'm familiar with the obvious, with the brand Vaciline. 00:24:35 Speaker 3: Absolutely, this is. 00:24:37 Speaker 2: A jelly stick. Is this something a new product on the market? Tell me just get into it here. 00:24:43 Speaker 4: Well, I just want to point out that I did give you the brand name Vaciline, So this is high quality. 00:24:48 Speaker 3: I appreciate it. 00:24:48 Speaker 4: I didn't get you like the CBS version. I got you the Vasolene body Bomb. For people who don't know it comes in like it looks like an oversized glue stick. Yes, you know, jelly is a really it throws you off a little bit because you think it's going to be soft or like a kind of like a lotion. 00:25:05 Speaker 3: It's not. 00:25:06 Speaker 4: It's still the same like thick. It's like a chapstick. It's a Vacillaine chapstick, but instead of you can put it on your lips if you want. It's it looks weird because it's oversized. As I said, I. 00:25:17 Speaker 2: Would love to pull one of these out of my bag in the grocery store and just suddenly rub it. 00:25:20 Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's a really large chapstick. 00:25:25 Speaker 4: Sorry, this is you know something that is I put on my face in the morning. I rub it on my face to get my moisture in. You could put it on your hands, anyone in your body. For me, it's the face. It's the first thing I do when I wake up because what I do is I work out, so I don't want to do a whole washing my face moisture. But I do want to give my face some moisture because I've been sleeping right body bomb right there on the face, rub her in and now she's glowing, and then she goes to do her workout. And in the day, if you get dry and you don't want to use your expensive moisturizer, then you fucking pull out that little glue stick vasiline and rub her wherever you need to. 00:26:05 Speaker 2: How long? How long has this product been in your life? 00:26:08 Speaker 4: This product has been my life for uh. I think the pandemic, the length of the pandemic, like. 00:26:14 Speaker 2: It's a recent a year and a half. 00:26:16 Speaker 3: Vasoline I've known since childhood. 00:26:18 Speaker 2: Obviously, you know, we all, I mean, for whatever reason, vasoline has just kind of it's one of these products we all know from birth. 00:26:25 Speaker 3: We do. 00:26:26 Speaker 4: And when I was twenty, a friend of mine in college the most sickening skin you've ever seen black women, just gorgeous, gorgeous sickening. 00:26:37 Speaker 3: And I was like, what do you use? She said, vasileine. That's it, just vascilae, just vacile She watched the faces. Vaciline. 00:26:44 Speaker 4: I said, unreal, not true, because here we are all using like gold and silver and all these infused products. 00:26:50 Speaker 3: It's rose serums and she's like just. 00:26:53 Speaker 4: Basoline and fourteen years later here I am using, Oh, it's full circle. 00:26:59 Speaker 2: Wow, this is incredible. So but you do say you wake up and put it on. It's a pre workout, so I assume there's some showering and everything afterwards, and then what are you putting vaseline back on? Or is there a fancy product? 00:27:12 Speaker 4: There's a fancier product after after the workout, you know, but we use them sparingly because. 00:27:18 Speaker 3: They're fancy, and then you know, we can't just like keep buying them. 00:27:22 Speaker 2: So like, what what are we talking about here? 00:27:24 Speaker 3: I can't even pronounce them, that's the thing. It's like, is it a. 00:27:28 Speaker 4: VNA, there's a there's a there's one that's in French. It's in the I cream. It's very tiny and I'm not going to tell you how much it costs or what it is because I don't wan people to judge me. I don't go camping, so you understand the product that's speed. My money on products that's going have gone towards a tent, and I prefer to spend it on my I creams and my my moisturizer instead of the tents. 00:27:51 Speaker 2: So so have you kind of slowly built up this moisturizing routine over the years or based on recommendation or what do you do well? 00:28:01 Speaker 4: What happened was last summer I discovered Instagram stories and I said, wow, look at this face. 00:28:09 Speaker 3: It's it's it needs to help. 00:28:12 Speaker 2: I can't ave you have great skin, thank. 00:28:14 Speaker 3: You because of the products. Honey. 00:28:17 Speaker 2: I cannot imagine your skin was in such horrible condition a year ago. 00:28:21 Speaker 4: It was the skin was fine, you know, because black don't crack is it was fine. But I thought we can do better. So I reached out to a friend of mine who is a makeup artist and so good at skin like that is literally what she does. She develops routines, and I sent her photos of myself and then she sent back a long regimen and introduced all these new products. Kept some of my same products, but then introduced some new stuff and my god, vasoline Bomb body Bomb was one of them. She said, whenever you feel dry, I just apply this, and I was like, work. 00:28:55 Speaker 2: That's so. At least one thing is within everyone's budget. Yes, the vasoline right, yes, yeah. I had a makeup artists recommend a bunch of things a year and a half ago or so, and I looked them up online, like what is like this person must be in serious financial trouble. These things cost hundreds of dollars. What are we talking about? 00:29:14 Speaker 3: Yes, it's yeah, I don't short circuiting. Yeah, trying to justify this to to the people. 00:29:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot, but it is an investment. 00:29:28 Speaker 3: It is an investment. 00:29:29 Speaker 4: And also I'll say, like, no, not all the products are that crazy. Like I you know, I still use my Veno lotion. That's why I swear by. 00:29:36 Speaker 2: God bless I. From moment one of this podcast, I've been talking about a vino, and my first guest harassed me NonStop about a vino, and so I'm just going to keep screaming it from the rooftop. Absolutely, I think it's great. I think it's great, just very mild. 00:29:49 Speaker 4: It's wonderful. I love Avina. I've been using it for years. I just had a box of four show up yesterday. It's my dream, this is my dream. I'm never sure with anyone. I'm sharing it with you. My dream is to replace Jennifer ana Set. 00:30:03 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you absolutely. 00:30:04 Speaker 4: That's the face of Vena. I say, you know, there's a new white woman in town and she's black and it's me. 00:30:11 Speaker 2: How do this podcast is the beginning of that dream? Jen, get out of the way. 00:30:20 Speaker 3: Watch your back. 00:30:20 Speaker 4: I also want the smart water deal too, Like I'm coming for you, Jennifer Annason. 00:30:24 Speaker 2: Just know that you kind of are the Jennifer Anison of this podcast. I'll say, everyone loves you. You're kind of and every woman. 00:30:33 Speaker 4: That's what everyone's saying at home. They're like, ooh, I love him. He's the Jennifer anistad. 00:30:37 Speaker 2: Absolutely Jennifer Annas. And she's she seems like a decent egg. 00:30:42 Speaker 3: Yeah, she seems nice and sweet. 00:30:44 Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't seem like a trouble maker. 00:30:46 Speaker 3: Right, I've never seen her in trouble to see her collecting these checks. 00:30:49 Speaker 2: Honestly, I heard from someone, and this could be untrue, that her house has no walls. Do we believe that. 00:30:58 Speaker 3: Her house has no walls? How do you do that? There has been maybe just. 00:31:05 Speaker 2: Beams, maybe it's just columns and beams, But that to me, that just sounds like a bug's paradise. 00:31:14 Speaker 3: I wow, very modern. 00:31:18 Speaker 2: Right, I mean to the point that you are just constantly being And maybe she also has excellent, like Mosquito security exactly. But as maybe the most famous woman in the world not having any walls. 00:31:31 Speaker 3: She's so rich she doesn't need walls. I'm confused, she's transcended walls walls. 00:31:39 Speaker 2: She's just slathering a Veno on and kind of slipping and sliding around this wallless home. Look, I'm just repeating an unsubstantiated rumor that I heard from someone I can't even remember. I may have just had a dream about this. 00:31:52 Speaker 3: And these are our favorite rumors. 00:31:54 Speaker 4: Our favorite rumors are the ones we don't rememb where they came from. 00:31:58 Speaker 3: Those are the best. 00:31:58 Speaker 2: How do we get Jen on this podcast to answer this burning question. 00:32:02 Speaker 3: We have to ask? Were like she saw that at Veno check she was like, you know what, I want a house where I waltz. I love that. 00:32:09 Speaker 2: I love that for Maybe she's kind of a meet Maybe this is where I'm in kind of I relate to Jen. She doesn't like hanging art. She's like, get rid of the mills. I can't think about the stress of putting up art. Just get rid of the walls. 00:32:22 Speaker 3: And she's like, I don't want blank walls either, So you know, solution no als, Yes. 00:32:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, nature will be my art and I will just I don't know. That's the only thing I can think of at this point. When you're Jenniferanison, you can kind of do whatever you want. I think, so what we need to do is for you to replace her as the Vino spokesperson, the smart Water spokesperson. She'll have kind of a fall from Grace. 00:32:45 Speaker 4: I can also do the morning show, like if you know REESEA. This one's cool about it, Like, I'm happy to step in. I mean, you know, in the nineties, they replace the AMTHEBS, they replace the Harriet Winslows. 00:32:55 Speaker 3: I'm happy they replaced Jenniferanson. 00:32:58 Speaker 2: Season season three, Brandon Goodman as Jennifer En. I look, all of these feel like totally feasible dreams, and I'm kind of a dream maker. 00:33:11 Speaker 4: I really sense that. As soon as I logged on, I was like, dream maker. 00:33:16 Speaker 2: I look at myself as a genie type, and so I just bring a guest on the podcast and say give me your wishes. 00:33:22 Speaker 3: And we manifest it. Right. Yeah, I sense that. 00:33:25 Speaker 2: This podcast is essentially kind of just a vision board for the guest. And so you've thrown the penny in the well and Jen Andison, You're gonna just look over your shoulder NonStop. 00:33:36 Speaker 3: Watch out girl. 00:33:40 Speaker 2: I'm so glad to you know this moisturizing. I do like a new moisturizing experiment. Yeah, and this one especially pre like early morning, I have to go to the gym or something. 00:33:51 Speaker 4: Absolutely. And as the winter's coming, the skin drives a lot more often. I know we're in La so it doesn't get as cold, but you know, LA mornings can be really cold in the winter. 00:33:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, we get to the late fort not late forties, high forties. 00:34:03 Speaker 3: Hy high forties. Yeah, which is cold. 00:34:05 Speaker 2: It feels cold to me. I mean, I know New. 00:34:07 Speaker 4: York's are like shut the fuck some many of these clos is like yo, shut the fuck up last night of. 00:34:14 Speaker 2: His seventy two degrees and I said, I have to take a jacket with me. And I wore the jacket the whole time. 00:34:20 Speaker 4: Yes, the other day I was going out to dinner, looked at the low it said sixty five. I said, no, no, no, dunim jacket immediately, no, no, no, no, no, sixty five freezing. 00:34:31 Speaker 2: We're looking for these jacket wearing opportunities. Everyone loves to have a jacket on and we've been deprived for months. Yeah, I'll take the excuse. And now you know, I don't know, I don't know where am I going with this. I was going to try to relate it to vasily, you know, but. 00:34:46 Speaker 3: What it's okay, we're here, listen. 00:34:48 Speaker 4: I think the listeners are here with us, and they understand that we love layers. 00:34:52 Speaker 3: You know, that's really where. 00:34:53 Speaker 2: Saying everyone loves a layer, I mean summer months, god bless them. 00:34:58 Speaker 3: But love a craptop. 00:35:00 Speaker 2: I've never worn a crop top. I'm only recently really getting comfortable wearing shorts. Okay, so you know, maybe that's next summer for me. Next summer crop tops, crop tops. 00:35:11 Speaker 4: That's what I'll send you next time you tell me I have to send you a gift as a crop top. 00:35:15 Speaker 2: We're going to book you for next week's episode as well. I'm just gonna kind of drag you into a never ending gift giving spiral. Once you get the a Veno deal, I am going to ask you back on and I want the gift to be a car, So just keep that in mind. 00:35:32 Speaker 4: For you'll keep that in mind. I will keep that in mind. I'll keep pushing the date that I have to come back next week for the next week, for sure. Next week. 00:35:41 Speaker 2: I was at a car dealership yesterday and it was the most unbelievably stressful experience of maybe the last year for me. 00:35:48 Speaker 3: Cars are stressful when you have to get that are you are you buying? What's going on the least on? 00:35:52 Speaker 2: My car is almost up and so like and go. But there's a car shortage, which is just a car short edge. I am telling you, it's unlike anything I've ever seen. Well, wow, this is I've never had a car salesman be like, Okay, you can just leave because like they just tell you the price basically, and they're like, we're not budgeting. 00:36:12 Speaker 3: We're not we're not doing anything. 00:36:13 Speaker 2: You see the two cars we have in a lot, and so take your pick. We'll charge you six times as much as it's worth. So we're extending the lease. 00:36:23 Speaker 3: What perfect? 00:36:24 Speaker 2: Wasn't it familiar that this was even an option? 00:36:27 Speaker 3: Yes? 00:36:27 Speaker 4: I did it for my first car because I wasn't ready to get or I wasn't financially ready to get in a second car. 00:36:32 Speaker 3: So I extended my lease on that car. I think for like, I think six months or something. 00:36:36 Speaker 2: Six months. I think that's kind of the minimum or the usual. 00:36:41 Speaker 3: Yeah, but so yeah, which is great. It gives you a little more time so you don't have to feel rushed or forced into anything. 00:36:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, I called I'm also becoming familiar with a car broker. Have you ever used a car broker? 00:36:53 Speaker 3: Wait, a car broker, somebody tell me this. 00:36:55 Speaker 4: They will go to like the different places haggle for you, and like it's. 00:37:01 Speaker 2: It's like, I called this guy. I thought I hit you know. I was like, I'm going to go to the dealership learn my lesson. Almost immediately came home, called the guy that the friend recommended. He was so straightforward. So he's like, do not go to a dealership. I also can't help you right now. You have to extend your lease call me in six months. So I was like, okay, wow, that feels already like a nice positive step forward. Yeah, I'm I mean, god willing, I'll never return to a car dealership. Yeah, they don't even charge you anything. The car broker does all of this and then they I don't know how it works. 00:37:33 Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll take a percentage somehow. 00:37:35 Speaker 2: Do they take it from the dealer or something? Oh wow, So you like as a person. They just do this for you. 00:37:42 Speaker 3: I don't know. 00:37:43 Speaker 2: I guess they must make decent money doing it. Yes, And because that to me sounds like the worst job in the world. I would rather scrape gum off of floors. 00:37:52 Speaker 3: But absolutely I would hate to go from dealership to dealership trying out cars. But some people really love cars. 00:37:58 Speaker 2: And some people, I think, like our they love the negotiating, the game of it. That's not me. I can't negotiate. 00:38:05 Speaker 3: I'm terrible at it. This is you know what what agents and things are for. Because I'm like I will, I'll fight. 00:38:11 Speaker 2: I need a bit of a psycho to just kind of go for it. I'm not going to do it, so car broker will see in six months. I wish there was a car broker for accent chairs now that I'm thinking about it. 00:38:23 Speaker 3: Ah, that would be great. I think they're called interior designers, and they're very pricing. 00:38:31 Speaker 2: They're so expensive. That's a Jenna Aniston budget. 00:38:34 Speaker 3: Yes. 00:38:35 Speaker 4: Now, I'm sure her house within the walls plenty of accent chairs, right, you have to replace the walls with something. 00:38:41 Speaker 2: She just has a bonfire, constantly roaring. It's just accent chairs just piled on top of each other keeps her warm. 00:38:48 Speaker 4: She must you know, accent chairs too, because we tried to get one, and because you want to get like customized a little bit, and it's you gotta wait for the fab racing and it's so much money. 00:38:59 Speaker 2: It's like, it's like having a baby. 00:39:01 Speaker 3: It's truly. 00:39:04 Speaker 2: I probably would have an easier time having a baby. 00:39:06 Speaker 4: Some new mother is like, it is not like having a baby, but for us, yes, it feels like that. 00:39:12 Speaker 2: It's as close as I'm going to get. Oh, okay, Brandon, it's time to play a game. 00:39:18 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I love a game. 00:39:20 Speaker 2: Do you want to play a game called Gift or a Curse or a game called Gift Master. I'll tell you how it works once we begin playing. 00:39:26 Speaker 3: Of course, yeah it scares me, so Gift to a. 00:39:29 Speaker 2: Curse Okay, I need a number between one and ten seven. Okay, I have to do some light calculating, so I have to go get the game pieces. While I'm doing this, you can promote something. You can recommend something, you can suggest a favorite type of food. Whatever you want to do. I'll be right back. 00:39:47 Speaker 4: Okay, what shall I promote? Well, if you follow me at Brandon Cale Goodman. Every Monday, I do something called Messy Mondays, which is where people this is actually explicit behavior. People send me their messiest moments of the week and I talk about it and give my reactions and my advice. We talk about sexual things, like I think last week we talking about how to douche? 00:40:10 Speaker 3: Can I say that on the douche friend doush? 00:40:13 Speaker 2: You don't have the tiptoe around this. We're all adults. 00:40:16 Speaker 3: We're all adults. We talked about rim Josh. 00:40:19 Speaker 2: Well, maybe there's a huge child audience that I don't know about, but. 00:40:22 Speaker 4: Who knows a very youthful audience that loves talking about gifts. We uh did ask eating last week, and we did dealing with uncircumcised penises the week before. It's a lot of fun so on Mondays, Messy Monday's Branda Cogan Man. 00:40:38 Speaker 2: Okay, that's a great promotion. 00:40:40 Speaker 3: That's a promotion. 00:40:41 Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel like your Instagram stories are extremely educational, right, and you just confront things that people need to talk about. Yes, you're like the fun older brother that just knows everything. 00:40:55 Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I like to come off as instead of, you know, all the shame I like you to feel a safe space to talk about your nasty thing. 00:41:04 Speaker 2: You're what have you? Okay, this is how the game works, Brandon. I'm going to name three things. You're gonna tell me if there're a gift or a curse and why, and then just be very careful because you can lose the game. So many people have lost this game. 00:41:19 Speaker 3: How do you lose the game? 00:41:20 Speaker 2: Because there are correct answers? 00:41:22 Speaker 3: Oh? Okay, so just. 00:41:24 Speaker 2: Be aware little yes please? Okay, first step, gift, you're a curse. Geese a curse? And why they'll attack you? 00:41:38 Speaker 3: You know, birds should be majestic and sweet and kind, and geese are not swans neither. Yeah, that's a curse, hony. 00:41:46 Speaker 2: No. 00:41:47 Speaker 3: And do they fly? That's a curse. No, No, it's a curse. 00:41:50 Speaker 2: Sorry, now you've started the game off in a horrible way. Geese are a gift, and almost basically for the exact reason you just explained, they're so violent. There's so mean geese has I've been bitten by a goose and this is a gift. I love it. I love the danger element. 00:42:06 Speaker 3: You're kinky, you like the pain? 00:42:08 Speaker 2: Yes, you know you can't expect them to forget their dinosaur past. They're violent, mean little creatures. They just want to be left alone. They have those beaks are dangerous. 00:42:22 Speaker 3: This is why I'm the Jennifer Aniston because I think the listeners will agree are cursed. 00:42:29 Speaker 2: I'm now imagining Jennifer Andison kind of being chased around her house by a goose. Okay, well, okay, zero for one so far, but that's fine. I don't want to shake your confidence. But what are you going to do? Okay? Second up, this is a listener suggestion. Someone named Nick Nick has written in and suggested gift or a curse playlists musical playlists. 00:42:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And there's nothing in between gift and curse. 00:42:59 Speaker 2: Right, there's no middle ground here, no gray area. 00:43:02 Speaker 3: To work with, no gray areas here. Yes, and stick to that. That's you know, it's good to have really strong boundaries. Boundaries. Yeah, yeah, that's that's what it is. Playlists are they are? They are curson, They're curses. You know what, they're curses? 00:43:27 Speaker 4: Curses Because I used to work in fitnesses, you know, full circle moment here we go. So I used to teach classes and all I would have to do is make playlists. All that you make a new playlist, and everyone has thoughts about what they want to hear, and I'm like, you're gonna hear Beyonce. Shut the fuck up. It's like it's a wrap, get out of here. So playlists stress me the fuck out. So for me, a playlist is a curse. I want to listen to a whole album. Make a good album, you know what I'm saying, so I can listen to it from beginning to end. 00:43:53 Speaker 3: Whatever happened to that? Oh yeah, I'm ready to go on a tangent. 00:43:57 Speaker 2: Okay, Brandon, I love this argument you've made. I love the logic here. Unfortunately, Wow, Now they're absolutely a gift. You're Look, you're bringing a lot of baggage to this. Yeah, of course, making playlists for your clients, that kind of that sounds like hell and hell, especially when it is a workout plays playlist. It's like there are only so many it's dance, or it's pop, or it's R and B. Like there, we're not putting on old country music for you to work out too. 00:44:29 Speaker 3: I am not putting that on anyway. 00:44:32 Speaker 2: So look, you unfortunately you brought all that with you. 00:44:36 Speaker 3: I have baggage. 00:44:37 Speaker 2: I love a good playlist. 00:44:38 Speaker 3: You're right. 00:44:39 Speaker 2: I love putting together. I mean it can feel like putting together a little puzzle. It's very satisfying when you do it. And if somebody sends you a good playlist, you might learn something new. You might you new. 00:44:49 Speaker 3: H Yeah, I deserve to lose. I deserve to lose. 00:44:52 Speaker 2: You do, You've earned this loss. 00:44:55 Speaker 3: It's shameful because you know, when it's the right playlist, it's just wonderful. And it's also remember like back in middle school where you would like burn your CD. You might have a very young audience. I know, we just talked about that kindergarten, very very young. 00:45:10 Speaker 4: Back in the day, as old folks, we used to burn CDs and not burn them with fire, but you know that's what they called it. When you would make your playlists and then put them on a CD and you would give them to friends. 00:45:22 Speaker 3: And that was always so sweete so fun. Do you remember Napster? 00:45:26 Speaker 2: Of course Napster? Was it Kasa or Kazar or something like so sure? 00:45:32 Speaker 3: Lime Wire? 00:45:33 Speaker 2: Yes, I think there was Morpheus. 00:45:35 Speaker 3: Those were revolutionary. 00:45:36 Speaker 2: They changed our lives. 00:45:38 Speaker 3: I mean, wow, it was like AOL and napstore. That was it. That was I was set and porn. 00:45:42 Speaker 2: You know, the internet has brought us everything good and bad. But yeah, there was a time and you would sit there for two to three hours to get one song and it meant something to you. 00:45:57 Speaker 4: Yes, or you would start downloading it and go have dinner, come back and it was still downloading. 00:46:03 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, they don't know, they don't know what we went. 00:46:07 Speaker 2: It was agony. Did you put the work in and you had a CD of sometimes eight songs because that's all you could download. 00:46:17 Speaker 4: Download because then you know, mom used the phone island and you got kicked. 00:46:21 Speaker 2: Off the internet. 00:46:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, splurge on two lines, so we did have a separate line for the internet. 00:46:29 Speaker 2: She knew what she was doing. She was forward thinking. 00:46:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, she was worth thinking. She really was. 00:46:34 Speaker 2: Okay, well look you've gotten zero so far. I mean this is. 00:46:37 Speaker 4: I'm proud of the second zero. You know I earned that second one. The first one. The keys I don't know. 00:46:45 Speaker 2: Recount Okay, let's uh, this final one is actually so we put them on some occasionally on the Instagram, like people will vote on various things as gift her cruse. They they'll put them in their stories and then I reposted other people vote whether it's a gift or a curse, and this one is extremely contentious. So I'll tell I'll tell you what the poll numbers were before you do it, because it was basically a forty nine to fifty one split. 00:47:13 Speaker 3: Oh, this is this is close the extreme. 00:47:15 Speaker 2: I've never seen anything like this before usually like TI absolutely a curse, absolutely a gift. I've never tried this product before, so I can't well, I will speak to it eventually. Here gift her a curse. Uncrustables. The little sandwiches that I think are like frozen peanut butter and jelly sandwich is. 00:47:31 Speaker 3: Oh, I'm already out. Curse peanut butter and jelly. I'm out. 00:47:36 Speaker 2: You just don't like peanut butter at all. 00:47:38 Speaker 4: Well, it turns out I'm actually allergic to peanut peanuts. I learned recently in my allergy test. All these full circle moments, I learned that peanuts are walnuts or some kind of nut, just not you know, man, nuts, still still can take, still can suck on those, but explicit behavior. But yeah, peanut butter and jelly. When I was younger, I was all about it. But now the peanut I no, I don't want that peanut butter. I'll have the jelly, but I don' want them no, so. 00:48:09 Speaker 2: No, curse curse Brandon. You got one right. Yes, I've never had these things before, but. 00:48:16 Speaker 3: I've never had them better. 00:48:17 Speaker 2: Are we talking about? If I want a peanut butter and jelly sandwhich I can make that a whole. I don't need like a weird, damp, frozen version of that. That sounds horrible. 00:48:25 Speaker 4: Do you remember the peanut butter jelly that came in the same container. 00:48:30 Speaker 3: Oh, of course it was like swirls or how lazy? How lazy? I loved it, But how lazy. 00:48:38 Speaker 2: Would you get? You got those the jar of the peanut butter and jams? 00:48:42 Speaker 3: Sometimes, yeah, because I thought they were cool. 00:48:44 Speaker 2: I was always suspicious of what jam they were putting in there. I like a good jam or jelly. 00:48:49 Speaker 4: See this, That's what I'm saying. Back in the day, when you when you're little, you don't have the taste palette yet, you just fuck with any right. But then once I learned about marmalades and and strawberries and all these different types of jams, I was like, oh no, we can't do we got to upgrade this. 00:49:09 Speaker 2: An Liza, our producer, has just reached out told me that it was called goober. Does that ring any bells? That can't possibly be true. 00:49:17 Speaker 3: It wasn't goober, the one that's go gurt. That's gogurt in the pack. Wow. 00:49:21 Speaker 2: Okay, on Lisa is saying smucker goober stripe, which, oh, yes, that's a devastating It. 00:49:27 Speaker 3: Was smuckers that didn't Yes, oh my god, goober stripe. 00:49:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, because because because when you opened it, it was like it looked like a zebra stripe but it was jam and peanut. 00:49:38 Speaker 3: But it was I don't you know, God bless. 00:49:42 Speaker 2: Okay, you got one out of three. You tried, won, you won, You won overwhelmingly. I think people would look at those numbers and say, I. 00:49:50 Speaker 4: Will argue it was two out of three because geese are curts, So you know, I think I think I think the people will agree. 00:49:58 Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm not in the mood to argue about this. Look, well, you know I love. 00:50:02 Speaker 4: To argue, and I was hoping we'd have chaos at the end of this podcast that we did promise that. 00:50:06 Speaker 2: So okay, we've got to get to the final segment of the podcast. This is called I said no emails. People write into I said no gifts at gmail dot com. They're all just, I mean, just so depressingly desperate for answers. They've got these horrible problems in their lives, and so they reach out to me and to the guest for some advice. Right, will you help me answer? 00:50:30 Speaker 3: I would love to. 00:50:30 Speaker 2: All right, let me read this. This is deer bridger and incredibly disrespectful, guest. I assume they were thinking of you. Ah, my lovely college friends in parentheses here were saying, females in our late late thirties. Okay, so college friends in their late late thirties. Females in their late thirties. I keep saying that over and over, and I guess I've got to nail that in. Okay. Anyway, they give each other a group birthday present every year. We've been doing this tradition for at least seven years now. Wow. And while we used to give each other actual presence, we now give gift cards. We've clearly run out of funny or thoughtful ideas for each other, and I'd love your advice for how we can add some new excitement into our gift giving. I love these friends. Dearly, and wish I could come up with better ideas without having to ask what they want. We usually spend about one hundred and fifty dollars per gift. Any suggestions for how to generate better group gift ideas? Thank you dearly? Alternatively. Okay, now we're making a turn here. Do you have a suggestion for how to better dig up info on what someone would want? They all live in different areas without flat out asking thank you, And that's from just the letter b okay, b let's answer this second question. First, private investigator. I think that that is obvious enough. If you need information on somebody without them finding out, you hire someone with a telephoto lens and a trench coat. Sure, I mean I don't know any other service. 00:52:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's in a private investigator. 00:52:02 Speaker 2: I think they're kind of traveling around whatever states your friends are. Just ends up costing thousands of dollars. I guess you could call their partners. That's less exciting. 00:52:15 Speaker 4: Oh, like the friends partners for sure? That's us invasive or you you know what? My husband tell me this, which is because I am a fan of Like, what the fuck do you want? 00:52:25 Speaker 3: Just tell me? Because I it just it stresses me. 00:52:28 Speaker 4: A gift giving stresses me out, not for you, though I knew exactly what I was going to get you. 00:52:35 Speaker 3: So what I like to do? 00:52:36 Speaker 4: So you told me, just like listen, Like if you listen to what people say throughout the year, and every time they say like, oh this is interesting or I like this, like take a note of it, a mental note, and then surprise them with it at the end of the year. So that's what I started doing, and that it requires listening. It's hard, you know, because I you know, I have so much in my head already. 00:52:55 Speaker 2: Right, I see, I feel like I'm a decent listener, but I'm a I have a horrible memory. So I'll be like, I'll clock something I need and I should just write it down, But then it just goes into the banks of my mind, the sandiness of and I just forget that. I end up desperate for a gift idea. 00:53:12 Speaker 4: Sure I'm good at the listening, and I put make a note on my phone and then I get to it. 00:53:18 Speaker 2: Right, I guess that's what I also to do. 00:53:20 Speaker 3: A group gifts sound stressful, right? 00:53:22 Speaker 2: What is a group gift? Is it like a So it's about one hundred and fifty dollars. Is that each or I'm not they all pool this money and they're like on a trip. Is that what we're talking about here? Oh? 00:53:32 Speaker 4: Maybe they mean that they all pulled to their money. They all together. Like if there were five of us and we were getting our six friend a gift, the five of us would collectively spend one fifty. 00:53:44 Speaker 3: Oh right, yeah, maybe you spend one. 00:53:48 Speaker 2: Fifty group birthday present every. 00:53:52 Speaker 3: Year, so there's only one gift. 00:53:54 Speaker 2: And they're now giving gift cards, so that kind of makes sense. And maybe like they're like, let's all just put money and we'll give them one hundred and fifty dollar gift card. Is that what's currently happening. I think that's what they're saying. B. I hope that's what you're saying, because I can't. There's only so much I can do. 00:54:08 Speaker 4: But that means there are the sixth of you. If there's you're a big group, then you're not doing about yourself. I feel like all of you should like be Participating's. 00:54:15 Speaker 2: Going to be a stressful brainstorming session. 00:54:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, usually one good brainstorm. 00:54:20 Speaker 2: Session, right, I mean to generate new gift ideas. I look B I'm just gonna be honest with you. I have so little to say because I don't quite understand the logic of this gift thing. But I think that what you're going to want to do is maybe everyone writes a different word down on a piece of paper, uh huh, you string them together, uh huh, and then you try to make sense of that as a gift. Yes. 00:54:47 Speaker 3: I like that. It's like a little Ouiji board. 00:54:50 Speaker 2: Yes. Yeah, the chaos. 00:54:53 Speaker 4: I was going to say, if you hold your phone and just keep saying gift ideas, then you'll open Instagram and something will be advertised to you. I think that that might be the you'll get some new advertisements, I. 00:55:05 Speaker 2: Mean talking about invasive things. Maybe get into their search history. Love that that's a I mean, I guess that would require some cyber sleuth. I'm sure that's available on the dark web. 00:55:15 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Google Search, I'll get you that. You know that information. 00:55:19 Speaker 2: Look, when you're in desperate need of a gift, you reach out to the dark web. Everyone knows it. You get a light hacking, some light hacking. Just you know, you invade privacy, you do whatever it takes. 00:55:32 Speaker 3: Nothing fraudulent, it's just you know, just a little hacking, you know, that's it for a gift's a reason for it be otherwise. 00:55:42 Speaker 2: Look, it seems like you're all kind of tired of each other. It might be time to just go your separate ways, find a new group of friends, and and don't bring a gift element into that group of friends. So then you have to worry about it. 00:55:55 Speaker 4: Or you can repeat the gifts that you already gave. Last My god, that's now they don't know. 00:56:02 Speaker 3: This is so. 00:56:05 Speaker 2: Kind of a drifter. B We're encouraging you to become a drifter, go from town to town, getting groups of friends that you spend seven years with, giving gifts, and then move fall. It's easy. 00:56:18 Speaker 3: I think that's the best advice we've given so far. 00:56:21 Speaker 2: Well, obviously be is at rock bottom, and they'll take any type of a device they can get. And so I think that we've given multiple excellent options and nobody can criticize us. 00:56:34 Speaker 4: No, there's no holes in any of them. I think they're all they're pretty full proof. 00:56:40 Speaker 2: So, Brandon, we did an excellent job. Everyone's happy with us, everyone's cheering us on. 00:56:46 Speaker 3: They wanted us to win, and we wonsfied. 00:56:49 Speaker 2: This is a victory is ours and uh, I mean victory is doubly mine because now I have all of this Vacalline in my life. 00:56:58 Speaker 3: And I'm so happy for you. 00:56:59 Speaker 4: The moisture is just going to continue to full and you have beautiful skin already, so it's just going to be. 00:57:04 Speaker 2: I am going to be a glowing angel by your I need photos. 00:57:08 Speaker 4: So as soon as you post a photo, fucking tag me, so I can you post it? I'd be like Masoline and then we can get Avaciline. 00:57:13 Speaker 2: You want to tagged. I would love to be the face. 00:57:19 Speaker 4: We're gonna start as the face of athlete and then we will all upgrade to you know, how about that. 00:57:23 Speaker 2: That's not a bad You have to start somewhere. We start with this podcast, move on to Vasiline. People are like, what's happening, and then we've got you know, we've done our work, and then we move on for Gens. 00:57:33 Speaker 4: Absolutely, we move on for that no wall house. Vasiline clearly needs us. They you know, they're not a you know, fucking massive. 00:57:42 Speaker 3: They need our support. Your swipe ups. 00:57:47 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Okay, Well, this is the end of the podcast. Thanks so much for being here. Had such a wonderful time. Thank you for having me listener. You've heard kind of the last few things we've said, and so hopefully that's been a clue that this is the end of the podcast. You're catching on, you're ready to move on. The audio will end at some point, you'll switch to something else. Maybe you'll listen to the episode again, because there are a lot of things that you probably wanted to catch that you were too busy having a wonderful time to hear in the first go round. So do what you need to do. I love you, goodbye. I Said No Gifts is an exactly right production. It's produced and engineered by our dear friend ann A Lise Nelson, and the theme song is by miracle worker Amy Mann. You must follow the show on Instagram at I Said No Gifts. That's where you're going to see pictures of all these wonderful gifts I'm getting. You have to see the gifts. Listen and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Stitcher or wherever you found me. And why not leave a review while you're There's really the least you could do, considering everything I do for you. And if you're interested in advertising on the show, go to miderl dot com slash ads. 00:59:11 Speaker 1: But I invited you here, thought I made myself perfectly clear. 00:59:19 Speaker 3: But you're a. 00:59:20 Speaker 1: Guess to my home. You gotta come to me empty, And. 00:59:28 Speaker 2: I said, no, guess. 00:59:30 Speaker 1: Your presences presents enough. I already had too much stuff, So how do you dare to surbey mean