1 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 2: I'm Richard Salama. 3 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:07,320 Speaker 3: And I'm Doug Krisner. Here are the stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 2: Former President Donald Trump will surrender at seven point thirty 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: pm at the Fulton County Jail in Atlanta. It's on 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 2: charges that he conspire to overturn the results of the 7 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty presidential election, according to a post by Trump 8 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 2: on his truth social media that's what he said anyway, 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: and all nineteen defendants in the case brought by Fulton 10 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: County District Attorney Fanny Willis have been turning themselves in 11 00:00:32,159 --> 00:00:34,080 Speaker 2: this week. Of course, all of this ahead of a 12 00:00:34,240 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: twenty fifth of August deadline to surrender or face arrest. 13 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 2: It will be the fourth time this year that Trump 14 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 2: has been processed as a criminal defendant as he seeks 15 00:00:42,400 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 2: a return to the White House in the twenty twenty 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:48,680 Speaker 2: four election. Bloomberg's actually will have more throughout the evening 17 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: and morning for us. Please stick with Bloomberg ready for 18 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 2: ongoing coverage. 19 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 3: Well tomorrow morning in the US markets will be focusing 20 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 3: their attention on the mountains of Wyoming, not literally, but 21 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 3: that's where fed Scherch Powell will be when he addresses 22 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 3: the annual gathering of central bankers at the fed's Jackson 23 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: Holes Symposium. Bloomberg's Michael McKee is there and he has 24 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 3: the latest. 25 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 4: The theme of this conference is structural changes in the 26 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 4: economy going forward? Are we going to go back to 27 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 4: the nineteen nineties era of higher inflation and higher interest 28 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 4: rates but the economy boom during those years? Do we 29 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 4: go back to the pre pandemic level of low interest 30 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 4: rates and low inflation? All the things that have happened 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 4: with supply chains, reshoring, energy prices, all those things, and 32 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 4: how they're going to affect policy going forward. And I 33 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: think there's a lot of interest in that among the 34 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 4: people here because they don't think there's much more to 35 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 4: say about the current policy regime in the US or 36 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 4: any of the other countries. 37 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's Michael McKee there part of our team covering the 38 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 3: Jackson Holes Symposium much more on a four hour special 39 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: that will be a special edition of Bloomberg Surveillance. It 40 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 3: begins at a am Wall Street time. 41 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 2: We shot, all right, well, we've got formas in Lewis, 42 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 2: FED President Jim Bullard saying markets and we have to 43 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 2: wait for a signal that interest rates are coming down 44 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: thanks to the strength of the American economy. He spoke 45 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: earlier with us at Bloomberg. 46 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 5: Those that have been predicting imminent recession are having a 47 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:21,359 Speaker 5: lot of trouble here. It doesn't seem to be happening. 48 00:02:21,360 --> 00:02:26,959 Speaker 5: And this reacceleration could put upward pressure on inflation, stem 49 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 5: the disinflation that we're seeing, and instead delay plans for 50 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 5: the Fed to change policy. 51 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: That is Jim Bullard, formerly with the Lewis feddis now 52 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,000 Speaker 2: dean at Purdue University's Business School. And we did get 53 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 2: another sign of strength for the labor market with the 54 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 2: as Doug mentioned earlier, US joblest claims last week falling 55 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: to the lowest level in three weeks, to two hundred 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: and thirty thousand. That's ten thousand fewer than economists surveyed 57 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 2: by Bloomberg. 58 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 3: We go to JP Morgan Chase next. The bank has 59 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,959 Speaker 3: won a round in court, the story from Bloomberg's and Kates. 60 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 6: A federal appeals court has ruled that a one point 61 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 6: eight billion dollar leverage loan was not a security, a 62 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 6: victory for the banking and private equity industries. The decision 63 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 6: stemmed from a security's fraud lawsuit brought by a trustee 64 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 6: for note purchasers and a twenty fourteen syndicated loan deal 65 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 6: led by JP Morgan. Soon after the notes began trading, 66 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 6: the borrower drug testing company Millennium Health, ran into legal 67 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 6: trouble and filed for bankruptcy. The justices determined that the 68 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 6: notes failed to meet three out of four factors set 69 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 6: by the Supreme Court to determine whether an investment constitutes 70 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 6: a security under US law. In Washington and Kate's Bloomberg 71 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 6: Daybreak Asia, all right. 72 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: Well, we're looking at what's we're going on with the 73 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 2: regulator in Beijing. Authorities there ramp up efforts to bols 74 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 2: of what really have been China's fragile and arguably skittish 75 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 2: markets as well. Let's get details from Bloomx Joanna Wall. 76 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: China Securities Regulatory Commission said it held a seminar on 77 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 1: Thursday with executives of the country's pension fund and some 78 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: large scale bank and insurers, and they vowed to help 79 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: stabilize the stock market and boost economic development. The CSRC 80 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: arged executives at the longer term funds to boost equity 81 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: investments and pledge to establish a long term evaluation system 82 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: over three years. China has taken a series of other 83 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,679 Speaker 1: steps recently to support its markets. This includes requesting state 84 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: owned banks to escalate intervention to support the yuan and 85 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,840 Speaker 1: slashing handling fees in stock transactions. And this comes as 86 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 1: overseas funds have been fleeing the mainline market. China's equity 87 00:04:31,200 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: benchmarkts among the worst global performers this month. In Hong 88 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: Kong'm joined Wong, Bloomberg, Dabrigasha and. 89 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 3: Staying with China. It appears consumer sentiment improved in the 90 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 3: month of August. That would snap several months of decline. 91 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:47,600 Speaker 3: Even so, data from two surveys indicates it still remains 92 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: weak compared to even earlier in the year. 93 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 5: Now. 94 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 3: Economists want to see if this trend continues, since consumption 95 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: has slowed in recent months that because of waning confidence. 96 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 3: We've been talking about that along with the slump in 97 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,159 Speaker 3: the housing market. A bi monthly survey from Bank of 98 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 3: America indicates the share of Chinese consumers planning to spend 99 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:09,719 Speaker 3: more over the next six months and those intending to 100 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: trade up to more expensive brands increased in August compared 101 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 3: with a month of June. And at the same time, 102 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: a measure of Chinese consumers sentiment from the US firm 103 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 3: Morning Consult also improved in the month of August, although 104 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 3: to be fair, it fell short of that peak from 105 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: back in twenty twenty one. We'll take a look at 106 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: Global News next. Donald Trump is planning to surrender in 107 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,719 Speaker 3: Georgia within the next two hours. Let's get to Ed 108 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: Baxter in the Bloomberg newsroom in San Francisco. 109 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 7: Eddie, Yeah, that's exactly Whight dougas plant schedule to land 110 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 7: at six forty five Wall Street time and has posted 111 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 7: that he will turn himself in at seven point thirty. 112 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 7: Bloomberg's Kaylee Lyon says this one was a couple of 113 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 7: differences from the others, notably a mug shot. Kaylee says 114 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 7: that Da Fanny Willis has asked for a trial. 115 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 8: Date, suggesting that this should go to trial on October 116 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 8: twenty third of this year, just about three months from now, 117 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 8: but as a very expedited timeline. The legal experts we 118 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 8: have talked to since these charges initially were brought say 119 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 8: given the size and scope the sheer number of defendants, 120 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,799 Speaker 8: they expect this could even take beyond the twenty twenty 121 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 8: four November election, so that timeline may not be ultra realistic, and. 122 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 7: The House Republicans are probing her Fannie Wallace as she 123 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 7: prosecutes Trump. The Judiciary Committee statement says the prosecution implicates 124 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 7: substantial federal interest and concerns about motivation, and Trump chief 125 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 7: of Staff Mark Meadows, by the way, turned himself in 126 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 7: earlier in the day. Bond set at one hundred thousand dollars. 127 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,920 Speaker 7: The US at this point is saying that it definitely 128 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 7: believes Wagner Group leader GeV Genny Brigoshen was on board 129 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 7: the plane that crashed Ian Russia. Pentagon spokesman Brigadier General 130 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 7: Patrick Ryder here. 131 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 9: Our initial assessment, based on a variety of factors, is 132 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 9: that he was likely killed. 133 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 7: But says the reports of surface to air missile bringing 134 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 7: it down appear to be false. 135 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 9: We don't have any information to indicate right now. The 136 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 9: press reporting stating that there was some type of surface 137 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 9: to air missile that took down the plane, that we 138 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 9: assess that information to be inaccurate. 139 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 7: And says though this definitely weakens the Wagner Group. 140 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,120 Speaker 9: For all intents and purposes, their combat effectiveness has been 141 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 9: diminished and they are no longer a significant factor when 142 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 9: it comes to the conflict inside Ukraine. 143 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 7: Russian President of Vladimir Putin is praised Progosion for the 144 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 7: work that he did in Ukraine and has sent his condolences. 145 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 7: Nikki Haley is really honing in on her message about inflation, 146 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 7: the one that she delivered last night at the GOP 147 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 7: debate and then again today on Bloomberg. Haley says it's 148 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 7: all of government's task to solve. She floats the idea 149 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 7: of a raising retirement age. 150 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 10: Even Social Security is going to go bankrupt in ten years, 151 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 10: Medicare is going to go bankrupt in eight. So the 152 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 10: way we deal with it is we don't touch anyone's 153 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,440 Speaker 10: retirement or anyone who's been promised in But we go 154 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 10: to people like my kids in their twenties when they're 155 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 10: coming into the system and we say the rules have changed. 156 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 10: We change retirement age to reflect life expectancy instead of 157 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 10: cost of living increases. We do it based on inflation, and. 158 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 7: Hayley refused to be pinned down after questioning by Joe 159 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 7: Matthew here on Bloomberg, says the age needs to be 160 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 7: studied and China's unexpected decision to end COVID zero quickly 161 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 7: in twenty twenty two led to one point nine million 162 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 7: excess deaths in about two months. That as an estimate 163 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 7: from a paper published in the journal JAMA Network Open 164 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 7: Global News powered by more than twenty seven hundred journalists 165 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 7: and analysts in over one hundred twenty countries. In San Francisco, 166 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 7: I'm Ed Baxter, and this is Bloomberg. 167 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 3: Let's get to our guest. Ryan Blinger is with us. 168 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 3: He is managing principal also the founder at Claro Advisors. 169 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:55,000 Speaker 3: He joins us from Boston. Ryan, thanks for being with us. 170 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: We're waiting for the speech tomorrow from Fed shar J. Powell. 171 00:08:58,080 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: What do you think we're going to hear? 172 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 11: Yeah, it nice to be with you. You know, I 173 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 11: don't suspect we're going to hear any type of victory 174 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 11: lap language. 175 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 5: You know. 176 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 11: Chair Pole has been very you know, structured with his words. 177 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,959 Speaker 11: He knows the power of which what he says, and 178 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 11: and I think he's going to be reserved. You know, 179 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 11: I think he's gonna he respects inflation, and I think 180 00:09:20,920 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 11: that's really paramount to ultimately being victorious, you know, over 181 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:30,120 Speaker 11: inflation and that's really the main difference between him and 182 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 11: our leadership in the nineteen seventies that really struggle to 183 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 11: to get rid of inflation, and and we you know, 184 00:09:37,880 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 11: probably all remember what was going on in that decade, 185 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 11: and I don't think he wants to repeat that mistake. 186 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 11: So my sense he's going to be cautious with his tone, 187 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 11: you know. And and you know, we have a lot 188 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 11: of data coming out that'll influence their next policy meetings, 189 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 11: So I think he really still needs to to tow 190 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 11: the line here a little bit. And my feeling is 191 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,840 Speaker 11: we will hear kind of more of the same, you know, 192 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 11: unsure about the next rate hike, but probably one more 193 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 11: is my guess, and we'll have to see what the 194 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 11: data looks like. 195 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: A Holekish pause is how many people are putting in. 196 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: Doug and I have been talking about this as well, 197 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 2: which is that you know, very little ever said about 198 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:23,839 Speaker 2: China's economy. But if there are references to the slow 199 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 2: down there and perhaps the transmission or should I say, 200 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 2: the disinflationary impulses which are being transmitted, would that be 201 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: seen as being dubbish? 202 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 11: I mean it could be, but ultimately the you know, 203 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 11: I just think that the labor market here is just 204 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:43,679 Speaker 11: which is way too tight. I mean we're still adding 205 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 11: jobs at what was the last reading one hundred and 206 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 11: eighty eight thousand, around that number. I mean, if you 207 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 11: want to hit the target level that they're talking about, 208 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 11: I believe that the number of jobs created in a 209 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 11: monthly basis needs to be you know, a third of that, 210 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 11: and so I just I think that the labor market's 211 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 11: too tight and the economies are still doing too well. 212 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 11: The consumers really held up here, and I think that's 213 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 11: been the most surprising thing. Now, will the the what's 214 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 11: happening in China, you know, bleed into the domestic companies. Sure, 215 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 11: I mean demand's going to be going down, and you 216 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 11: know we've seen that with with some of the retailers 217 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 11: that have come out lately. But I just think it's 218 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 11: going to be the recession. 219 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 5: You know. 220 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,840 Speaker 11: I already thought we would have seen it already, and 221 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 11: it hasn't happened yet. I think it's that doesn't mean 222 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 11: it's not coming. I think it's very difficult to not 223 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 11: have a recession. If you look back at history, when 224 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 11: the two year and ten year invert for more than 225 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 11: two months, a recession happens within fifteen within eighteen months, 226 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 11: and so when did that invert last summer? And so 227 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 11: now we're talking about, you know, kind of any day 228 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 11: now for this recession, I think you know, now is 229 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 11: when investors really want to be cautious about putting new 230 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 11: capital into the stock market, because this is when really 231 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 11: people could get you know, could get themselves in trouble. 232 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's talk a little bit about the equity market. 233 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 3: But I just want to point out, as long as 234 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: you're talking about yield curve in version, that mortgage rates 235 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: now are at the highest level since May two thousand 236 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 3: and one. So to the point I think you're making 237 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 3: about the extent to which higher rates will begin to 238 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:19,079 Speaker 3: slow the economy quite dramatically. I think we're already seeing 239 00:12:19,080 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: signs of that in the housing market. But talk to 240 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 3: me about the equity market post in Vidia results. Is 241 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 3: this something that is at a critical juncture right now? 242 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 3: Do you think? 243 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:29,559 Speaker 5: No? 244 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 11: I think it really is more of a it's more 245 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 11: the same. It's the stronger getting stronger, and everyone else 246 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 11: is idling by. I mean, you know, we've all seen 247 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 11: the statistics that you know, the top six or eight 248 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 11: stocks are making up you know, ninety five percent of 249 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,280 Speaker 11: the performance of the index this year, and in market 250 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 11: cap is well over seventy eighty percent. That's just those 251 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 11: are historic numbers. So in Vidia, you know, if you've 252 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 11: owned in Vidia, you're having a great year. 253 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 10: Now. 254 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 11: It's probably a crowded trade, but you know, that would 255 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 11: be just hard to know with the blowout earnings that 256 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:10,480 Speaker 11: they continue. I think they've got three consecutive raised forecast, 257 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 11: which is really, you know, outstanding. So if you've owned 258 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 11: those particular stocks, you've done well. But everyone else is 259 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 11: just kind of idling along here and trying to keep 260 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 11: market share. And so I just think for investors, you 261 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 11: just have to know exactly what you own in your portfolios. 262 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 11: I think inherently people are just taking way too much 263 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 11: risk right now. They've probably had their head in the 264 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 11: sand for the last couple of years through COVID, and 265 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 11: the market's just had a really good ten year run. 266 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 11: So if you haven't rebalanced your accounts, then you probably 267 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 11: don't understand that you can get five and a half 268 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 11: percent and a money market right now. And you know, 269 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 11: that's a nice alternative to some equity risk that's out there, 270 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,320 Speaker 11: and so that's what we're telling our clients just to 271 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 11: rebalance the accounts. 272 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely right. So you know we're a level perhaps and 273 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: paps are getting to even a more crucial here. Whether 274 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 2: we see really a big outflow from equities into bonds 275 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 2: because of security. 276 00:14:07,240 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's it. 277 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 11: I mean people have really finally woken up. I mean, say, look, 278 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 11: I get money not only in the stock market, but 279 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 11: if I have money sitting at a bank earning you know, 280 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 11: a few basis points, why wouldn't I be putting it 281 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 11: into some investment great bonds or municipal bonds or even 282 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 11: that money market I mentioned, and you know, actually get 283 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 11: some yield. I mean, finally savers can earn something. You know, 284 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 11: for a decade, the poor savers couldn't earn any money, 285 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 11: so they were forced into the stock market. 286 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg day Break Asia. 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