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Speaker 1: my full potential. All right, Welcome to another edition of

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings Podcast. Episode one forty three to be

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Speaker 1: exact recording got eleven fifty pm Central Time with the crew.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about Tatum Everett, Ron Johnson or John Ronson,

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Speaker 1: whatever you want to call him. And we got Pete

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Speaker 1: Vikings dropped up tonight by selecting three players, three playmakers

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Speaker 1: according to quasi adopel menta. But similar to Day one,

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Speaker 1: the Vikings traded back a couple of times and then

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Speaker 1: traded up up to get some of those picks, starting

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Speaker 1: with Andrew Booth Junior. We needed a cornerback and we

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Speaker 1: coming into it. We thought he was going to be

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Speaker 1: there at thirty four, a quacodope mint to work some

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Speaker 1: Booth Junior. Then, with the fifty ninth overall selection, the

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Speaker 1: Vikings selective ed Ingram Interior old linment for the for

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Speaker 1: LSU won a national championship in twenty nineteen, and they

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Speaker 1: rounded today out by selecting linebacker Brian Asamoa from Oklahoma

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Speaker 1: and Pete, I want to start with you Andrew Booth Junior.

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Speaker 1: We knew this was going to be a need for

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Speaker 1: the Vikings drafting a cornerback. A lot of Vikings fans

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Speaker 1: we didn't do so. A lot of the cornerbacks were

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Speaker 1: off the board. But your thoughts on Andrew Booth Junior,

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Speaker 1: you know he was, Yeah, his name was thrown along

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Speaker 1: around quite a bit early. I don't know if it's

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Speaker 1: it's the fact they didn't run a four fours, you know,

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Speaker 1: the thing people stay away from. But I look at

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Speaker 1: it this way. Ed Donna Tell cut his teeth in

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Speaker 1: he's been around this league and he knows defensive backs

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Speaker 1: when he sees him. It's a little bit different of

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Speaker 1: a system. You don't really you know, when when you

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Speaker 1: don't really have the need for a corner to be

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Speaker 1: does appear to be physical. Um, but you're getting a

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Speaker 1: good quality player. And we talked about this before the draft.

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Speaker 1: He even started. If you want to start on this team,

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Speaker 1: looks to be that they got themselves, you know, two

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Speaker 1: And then today a lot of the scouts spoke on

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Speaker 1: want to we need some nasty in this defense, honestly,

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Speaker 1: like you really needs some we need and I'll and

428
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Speaker 1: I remember, like it was yesterday early on in the

429
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Speaker 1: Baltimore Ravens game, because we were going up and down

430
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Speaker 1: the field now, and I remember those guys during a

431
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Speaker 1: TV time out the defense for the Ravens, those guys

432
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:36,879
Speaker 1: got together and said all right, enough's enough. And the

433
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,560
Speaker 1: rest of that game they played very very well. Remember Now,

434
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 1: the Ravens defense gave up more explosive plays than anybody.

435
00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,040
Speaker 1: I mean, they had a rough year. That is what

436
00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 1: this defense needs. You gotta have some pride about you, right,

437
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: you've got to have you got to have someone that

438
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,360
Speaker 1: makes a hit like that and says and that shows

439
00:20:55,720 --> 00:21:00,679
Speaker 1: enough is enough to everybody else and hopefully you know

440
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,320
Speaker 1: the you know, the easiest way to start on this

441
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:07,800
Speaker 1: team was corner, safety, defensive tackle, because we do you know,

442
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 1: we need one more starter and um, you know those

443
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:16,800
Speaker 1: those spots and we've addressed most of them. In linebacker depth, well, yeah,

444
00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,959
Speaker 1: we've had a lot of backup linebackers, like backup linemen

445
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,479
Speaker 1: come and go through here, and not many of them

446
00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 1: have stuck. And so that's and so especially with the

447
00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,159
Speaker 1: offensive line, because you stare at the offensive line, you

448
00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 1: got first round er left tackle, second round or left

449
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 1: guard first round. At center, right guard has been a

450
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 1: merry go round and a first rounder at right tackle.

451
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 1: You can't just build an offensive line with first round picks.

452
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 1: Atlanta tried to do it last year. They had all

453
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Speaker 1: every one of their offensive lineman was a first round pick.

454
00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:53,920
Speaker 1: At some point, you gotta develop, You got to develop talent. Yeah,

455
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a lot of development come in

456
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: here shortly once rookie Minicamp stars. But I think Louis

457
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Speaker 1: Seen was the biggest surprise for me. Especially in the

458
00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:06,040
Speaker 1: first round, just knowing that the cornerback position was one

459
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Speaker 1: of the biggest needs. So I'm glad we addressed it

460
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,160
Speaker 1: early in the second round. But I think Brian Asamoa

461
00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 1: is going to be a guy that is going to

462
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Speaker 1: be underrated because a lot of a lot of what

463
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Speaker 1: people are saying is like, oh, like pezzat, he's six foot,

464
00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 1: he's only twenty pounds. That's it. That's the only complain

465
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:22,639
Speaker 1: can have about this kid. So you're just like, Okay, well,

466
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Speaker 1: if the lineman gets to him first, then the lineman one.

467
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Speaker 1: But if a Samoa gets to the lineman first, which

468
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Speaker 1: he usually does most of the majority of the time,

469
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Speaker 1: then he's usually gonna win that matchup. So I think

470
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Speaker 1: that is an underrated signing there. But I think once

471
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Speaker 1: you put him in this Josh Hinks, Derek Keys, Marquis

472
00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,960
Speaker 1: Johnson weight training program, this guy becomes a starter at

473
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Speaker 1: some point. Maybe that's year two, maybe that's year three.

474
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Speaker 1: And I think just understanding that the Vikings needed to

475
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 1: address the defensive side of the ball, we got better

476
00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: on that forefront, but there are some some glaring needs

477
00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: still to address tight end. It's one for me and

478
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: we'll go around the room to just see what other

479
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: needs the Vikings need. But tight end for me, and

480
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:03,199
Speaker 1: I know there are some guys out there. But and

481
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,880
Speaker 1: then cornerback. You can never ron. You said this earlier

482
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 1: at the in our and our instant reaction that's from

483
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Speaker 1: Vikings dot com. You said the Vikings need corner like

484
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:14,880
Speaker 1: they need to breathe, and you can never have enough.

485
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,159
Speaker 1: And at seven or eight cornerbacks on the roster right

486
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,560
Speaker 1: now for the Vikings, isn't enough. And Patrick Peterson he's

487
00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: the only proven cornerback on this roster. Andrew boob Juiar

488
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 1: love his swag, love his playmaking ability, but we still

489
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: need more. I mean yeah, I mean we've been doing

490
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 1: Vikings game and they live now there's our eighth year.

491
00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: And so I remember always talking to Pete about this.

492
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: We'd look at the who's gonna start or who's gonna

493
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Speaker 1: dress for the game, and how many corners or is

494
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Speaker 1: Mike's are gonna keep? How many corners are the Lions

495
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 1: gonna keep? How many you know, and it's always like eight,

496
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,520
Speaker 1: nine or ten. When you think about special teams, you

497
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Speaker 1: think about all the things you need for corners, for gunners,

498
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Speaker 1: hold up guys and then just depth, Like when you

499
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: have six guys, you know, a guy runs a goal

500
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Speaker 1: round all of a sudden, Xavier Rhodes tasts his hamstring

501
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,800
Speaker 1: A you gotta come out. Next guy coming in, You're like,

502
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Speaker 1: oh my god, they about to attack him like every other.

503
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: And so when you think about that, now, Patrick Peterson

504
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 1: being older, can he go an entire game without you know,

505
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: cramping or something or just neating a breather because he

506
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: just ran on a go route with with Tyreek Hill

507
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: or somebody. Um, that's when you can bring in another

508
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 1: guy like Andrew Booth. You can bring Cam Buying him

509
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: in to play corner. You can bring in now um

510
00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: um Channon Sullivan to play you know. So you're adding

511
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Speaker 1: guys and and that's why I think you still need

512
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 1: to go get like a there's a Kobe Bryant out there,

513
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: there's a Josh Job, there's a Tariqi Wool and, like

514
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: I said, even in the lationship, was still out there. Yeah.

515
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Speaker 1: And he's the number one corner on the board right now,

516
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,639
Speaker 1: eighty five. He's ranked eighty fifth overall prospect yep. And

517
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Speaker 1: it was not taken. So that's a guy that if

518
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: the vikings and and again, man, people throw rumors out

519
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 1: all the time while guys don't get drafted or you know,

520
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: this guy's a you know, bad character guy. You know

521
00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,440
Speaker 1: smoked weed last night. I saw him outside, whatever it

522
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: might be. But you know, when you look at all

523
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 1: these guys still out there, there are some good corners, cataracts,

524
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: there's some good guys out there, and so that that's

525
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Speaker 1: why I think corner like against the chairman, fifth round pick,

526
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: there there are a lot of them. Yeah, yeah, you

527
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:14,399
Speaker 1: gotta have It's not a death sentence, no, And like

528
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,040
Speaker 1: I said, you you always need special teams guys. And honestly,

529
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Speaker 1: as a receiver, I'm not putting my hand up to

530
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Speaker 1: go be gunner. Like if I got to do it, Yeah,

531
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Speaker 1: am I gonna play the wing? Onna punt sure? I'm

532
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: the fourth receiver on the browster. I don't want to

533
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Speaker 1: do it. I don't want to do it, but I'm

534
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: gonna do it because I want to get paid. But corners,

535
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Speaker 1: that's what they do, like, yeah, put me at put

536
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Speaker 1: me a gunner, put me at the wing. I'll run

537
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 1: out and tackle somebody because we don't practice tackle anymore.

538
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,719
Speaker 1: In the receiver dbs or how you do it. That's

539
00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: when so many teams run with ten when they come

540
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: out there, and then you have to, you know, strategically

541
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 1: look at the rest. Like like we talked about tight end,

542
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: I didn't another good special team's position. Um, you know,

543
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,880
Speaker 1: there's some good ones out there. To kid Jake Ferguson

544
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: out of Nebraska, he's still out there, you know, or

545
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 1: no Sharky Wisconsin, and you know, you look at him

546
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: and the only reason I know that name is because

547
00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: he played against the Gophers and I hate him. But

548
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,880
Speaker 1: now he's done with college. So it's six five, two

549
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,959
Speaker 1: fifty five. That's a big kid, you know. And he

550
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,640
Speaker 1: was one of the better tight ends in the Big ten.

551
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 1: Like that was PJ Flag's nightmare. How am I going

552
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 1: to cover this guy? And you look at him versus

553
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: Boy Mafe who was the fortieth pick. He blocked boy

554
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 1: pretty well Wisconsin. So I mean that's that's that's a

555
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: guy where the vikings are like, Okay, who's our blocking

556
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,479
Speaker 1: tight end. Who's gonna be our bigger body tight end?

557
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,239
Speaker 1: He's out there. So there's a guy. Go ahead, Well,

558
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: I'll say, you know you have Johnny Munt, right, Yeah,

559
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: and he's the block. Yeah so, but I agree with

560
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,880
Speaker 1: you this offense, at least the running game that we've

561
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: seen now you know, Connell could change it, not but

562
00:26:35,960 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: the running game we saw at the with the rams

563
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:45,440
Speaker 1: that depended on the tight end correct tone a ton,

564
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 1: just like the forty nine ers. So now we'll CJ.

565
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: Ham now be a be a tight end. I mean

566
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: that's the thing. It's like, you have this, you have

567
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,919
Speaker 1: this talent and CJ. Hamm, what do you do with him?

568
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: It's pretty easy to integrate, you know, the tight ends

569
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,440
Speaker 1: a wing or you move over six feet and he's

570
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: a fullback. Right so, but a great blocking tight end

571
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:10,719
Speaker 1: will help our running game more than any guard. I

572
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: think we can we can find and throw in there

573
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:15,920
Speaker 1: because the way defenses are played now, so many bodies

574
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: now on the line of scrimmage with the cutbacks and

575
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: with the bend backs and all those other things that

576
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 1: they do. You know, you have a two hundred and

577
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 1: fifty pound pass receiving pass catching tight end out there,

578
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: you go, now you your jobs will go out there

579
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: and kick out von Miller. You're gonna be like what

580
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: euse me? Excuse me? Right, you know, and and so

581
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 1: you need someone who's gonna just be like, all right,

582
00:27:37,560 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 1: well you line up and go ahead and do it,

583
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: you know, and we we also, I think this team

584
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: also needs a good we need Unfortunately the big guys

585
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: who are great athletes are hard to find late. But

586
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle, yeah, because right now, you know who's

587
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 1: going to be that if we do run the five

588
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: man front, who's going to be that other three technique

589
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: and or nose tackle in this defense? And those techniques

590
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: are going to change quite a bit, you know, I

591
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: mean frog stance, meaning all four on the ground, reading

592
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: the block in front of him instead of just jetting

593
00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 1: up the field. Now you can reduce one side, you know,

594
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 1: cover up the lineback a little bit, let him play

595
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: like a regular three technique or an end. But you know,

596
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 1: you need some you kind you need some hogs in

597
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: the middle. You know, there's a guy likes so well,

598
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 1: he's a wide body ballerinam You were thinking wide receiver

599
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: or I was thinking wide receiver earlier. I mean I

600
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: think that there's a value in that. And right now,

601
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I even mentioned bow Melton. Yeah, oh,

602
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say if he can return punts, this

603
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: team does not have a punt returner number one, And

604
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: I don't care about how you return. You got to

605
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: be a great decision maker and you got to catch

606
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,880
Speaker 1: the damn ball when it's punted. Tier. Yeah, Danny Green

607
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 1: would always say that all I care about on punt

608
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 1: return is that when the whistle blows, it's our ball.

609
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 1: That's your job. But we don't have that punt return

610
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: on our side for a while, right, I mean kickoff return,

611
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: we got that figured out. Who's going to be the

612
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: number two running back too? I mean Alexander. I think

613
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: there's opportunity there for somebody's contra year for him for sure. Yeah, yeah,

614
00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, you're fine. Yeah. I just think I think

615
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: that there's so much talk about this offense being so

616
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 1: set that for me, I'm not you know, I have

617
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 1: no inside information of whatsoever. This is purely on conjecture

618
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 1: right here. But but seeing someone like I think I

619
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 1: mentioned in the in the uh the recap that we

620
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: did that Calvin Austen is a two two out well

621
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: in comparison, and Kevin is looking for toys in the

622
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: toy chest. He's looking for these guys out there, and

623
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: if he doesn't see it right there, seeing a more dynamic,

624
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 1: shifty guy that he can just kind of pluck and

625
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: play and maybe even return punts things like that. That

626
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: might be somewhere they go to next because they have

627
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 1: picked up so many defensive pieces and it's not done obviously,

628
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: but picking up somebody like that could be really appealing

629
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: to Kevin, who's trying to create this illusion of complexity.

630
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: And this was a top ten offense last year easily. Yeah,

631
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: and we you know we have we have pretty much

632
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: the same guys. I think our top three wide receivers.

633
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: You mentioned kJ Osborne je well in BC's on the

634
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: rehab and you have. It's just that I agree with

635
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 1: you one hundred percent on the punt return slash wiggle guy, right,

636
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 1: the gadget guy, and that could be BC's called a

637
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: fame if he can return punch. He did it a

638
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Speaker 1: few years ago. Hey yeah, we got some more receivers

639
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Speaker 1: here on this roster, but hey, BC is more valuable

640
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Speaker 1: and special teams and that's I mean, we know that

641
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Speaker 1: special teams gets you on the plane. If you can

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Speaker 1: get on the plane, that's all that matters, because anything

643
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Speaker 1: can happen after that. But I think all that depends

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Speaker 1: on how good this offensive line is going to be

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Speaker 1: this year for Minnesota Vikings. Just from talking to Kevin

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Speaker 1: O'Connell earlier this year, back in March, I had asked him,

647
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Speaker 1: I said, you know, with everything, all these motions, all

648
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Speaker 1: this zone reads and sweeps and all this illusion of complexity,

649
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Speaker 1: does this make the job easier on the offensive lineman?

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Speaker 1: He said, no, it's the exact opposite. The offensive linemen

651
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Speaker 1: are gonna have to work harder because we're gonna use

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Speaker 1: them to make the defense work harder. We're gonna have

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Speaker 1: our offensive lineman running one way, the players going the

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Speaker 1: opposite way. They're gonna have to think on their toes

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Speaker 1: and they're gonna have to do a little bit more

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Speaker 1: in order for this entire offense to be gelling all

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Speaker 1: at once. And to that, to that point, I don't

658
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Speaker 1: recall that their offensive line had a lot of changes,

659
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Speaker 1: because it seems to be a thing now where a

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Speaker 1: guy plays guard one one game and then plays left

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Speaker 1: guard the other game, and then moves over to center

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Speaker 1: and this guy's starting to tackle. Some of that was

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Speaker 1: COVID related. I get that, but you talk to offensive

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Speaker 1: lineman of just even ten years ago, they're like, you'll

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Speaker 1: line up and you know, and you can count on

666
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Speaker 1: what the guy, you know, what the guy in the

667
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Speaker 1: right's going to do, and let you know, there's there's

668
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Speaker 1: a value to that. And so if you know whitworth you.

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Speaker 1: He he was around forever, Um Haverstein was around forever.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're all there. They had a very i

671
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Speaker 1: think experienced, in most in most cases offensive line that

672
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Speaker 1: and that's what they have to do. And I hope

673
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Speaker 1: they just line these guys up. When's the last time

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Speaker 1: we went through training camp with the same offensive line

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Speaker 1: that we started with? Yeah, you know what I mean,

676
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Speaker 1: it's been unfortunately for a number of reasons, it's it's

677
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Speaker 1: been musical chairs. And so I don't think I can't

678
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Speaker 1: remember the last time we've went to a training camp

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Speaker 1: with this many veteran offensive lining, like with all this

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Speaker 1: def veterans, And I think that makes for a healthy competition.

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Speaker 1: And you just look at just the opportunity for a

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Speaker 1: young guy and and ed Ingram, even if he doesn't

683
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Speaker 1: play right away, he's going to have an opportunity to

684
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Speaker 1: learn from so many veterans and an offensive lineman coach

685
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Speaker 1: that has done it already for the Denver Broncos and

686
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Speaker 1: now it only makes this entire offense better. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: I think I'll listen to is when Kevin O'Connell, you know,

688
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Speaker 1: some of the things he says, he when he makes

689
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Speaker 1: comments about the type of offense and the type of

690
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Speaker 1: plays he wants to get for Justin Jefferson, I look

691
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Speaker 1: at it. I equated to basketball. You know, Sean McVey

692
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Speaker 1: talked about his offense as a basketball team. He talked

693
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Speaker 1: about movement, quick setting, picks, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing where I felt like, and I would

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Speaker 1: bring this up in a pregame show all the time,

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Speaker 1: I felt like the Vikings got away from the basics.

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00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: It felt like Gary Kubiak and Clint Kubiak were always

698
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Speaker 1: trying to create these huge, big momentum plays versus letting

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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins work a lather up. If you look at

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Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford and even go back to Jared Goff, it

701
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: was throwing slants, it was throwing hitches, it was throwing

702
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Speaker 1: bubble screens, tunnel screens, and then they would get into

703
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Speaker 1: their offense or double shadows and then deep post with

704
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Speaker 1: the you know comeback. And I think that's where Kevin O'Connell.

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Speaker 1: And again, you never know because it's this first time

706
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Speaker 1: actually taken over. This was mcveay's offense for the past

707
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Speaker 1: couple of years, and so he's gonna take over. Is

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Speaker 1: he gonna do the same thing? Most likely, because his

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Speaker 1: goal is I want to do the same stuff. I

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Speaker 1: want to use Justin's usage like Cooper cup Um, and

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Speaker 1: I think that's where the Vikings office is gonna go.

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Speaker 1: And to the offensive guard point. If you think about

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Speaker 1: the Rams, like Pete bought up their run game, it

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Speaker 1: was it was precated on movement. They would move guys

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Speaker 1: and they would try to count and they can count.

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Speaker 1: If we got three guys here, run to the three

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Speaker 1: man side. If it's four guys here, they can run

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Speaker 1: away from the four. And we would always ask Kirk

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Speaker 1: Cousins or bring it up in the pressers, Hey, how

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Speaker 1: much can Kirk Cousins change? Not really, you know, And

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Speaker 1: that's a problem if a quarterback can't come to the

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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and count and say, okay, I should

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Speaker 1: not run the play this way, or I should not

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Speaker 1: pass the ball into this coverage, and he's just stuck

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Speaker 1: checking to a run or he's just check going opposite.

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Speaker 1: Opposite is the easiest thing in the world. You can't

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Speaker 1: always do opposite because every team knows that. You know,

728
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Speaker 1: if you say something's up, something it looks Differenty're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna run the other and and that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: I think the toughest hurdle for Kirk is just knowing

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Speaker 1: the protections and knowings hot and not hyper focusing on

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Speaker 1: whoever that hot. That's what the loose. So if you

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Speaker 1: think about Jared Goffin what McVeigh did, it's the loose huddle.

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Speaker 1: As long as they're not completely huddled and everybody, everybody's

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Speaker 1: off the line of scrimmage. He can talk to Kirk

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Speaker 1: up to fifteen seconds. And I think that was what

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Speaker 1: Jared golf got it. They got to the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: with that, and everybody thinks golf wasn't that good. But

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Speaker 1: McVeigh he's spoon fed it. Well you stay away, what

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Speaker 1: do you think do you think he's that good golf?

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Speaker 1: But McVeigh is McVay smart. He's like, look you got

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Speaker 1: I got, I got twenties, or I got ten seconds

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Speaker 1: to talk you through this quick. Just getting a loose huddle.

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Speaker 1: Let me see what they're gonna do. And then they say, boom,

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Speaker 1: here's two plays, get to the line, scrimmage and then

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Speaker 1: he goes up there fifteen seconds. He can do all

747
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Speaker 1: this stuff. Boom, check it, run to play. And I

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Speaker 1: think Kirk's smart enough. And that's Parry. We don't start

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Speaker 1: doing what they do in college. And that's the big

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Speaker 1: picture of a game. It's a little of the money

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Speaker 1: Tam Dave left. But yeah, I mean, but that's that's

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Speaker 1: what McVay did. That's what O'Connell's gonna do. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: he's gonna help Kirk. He's gonna talk him through it.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, he said, he said,

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Speaker 1: I want Kurt to have control of this offense. And

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Speaker 1: I think that's the key. If you can't give your

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Speaker 1: quarterback control, you need to get a new quarterback, you know,

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Speaker 1: And we can't be afraid if that happens. This is

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Speaker 1: a new regime, you know, this is not a regime

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Speaker 1: who signed up for Kirk. Now, he did have them

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Speaker 1: in Washington and blah blah. But yeah, I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: see what they can do with this. Like you said,

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Speaker 1: I think add a receiver, a jitterbug guy deep diving

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Speaker 1: into twenty twenty three. The guy you were just bringing up,

765
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Speaker 1: Jelani Woods because Pete liked him. Indian up his coach draft.

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Speaker 1: And there's a guy by name and Darnielle Washington. If

767
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: you watch the National Championship game, he's the same number zero.

768
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: He's six seven, two seventy and caught a touchdown in

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Speaker 1: the back of the end zone because he's bigger than

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Speaker 1: anybody covering him. And so we're not looking forward into picks.

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Speaker 1: But everybod keeps talking about if you're making all these

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Speaker 1: trade why aren't you trying to get twenty twenty three picks?

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Speaker 1: Well guys like that or why because next year? Everbody

774
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: talking about the quarterbacks next year. Everybody's talking about the

775
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,839
Speaker 1: receivers next year and the tight ends next year. So

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Speaker 1: I mean, we definitely want to win a Super Bowl now,

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Speaker 1: but I mean you got to give Quacy and Kevin

778
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Speaker 1: Tying tight end. Go watch March Madness. Right ends are

779
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: playing Champion Park High School. Hey, trying to play football

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Speaker 1: in high school. He might be he might be the

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00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 1: next Antonio Gates Tatum. We got five picks tomorrow, what

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Speaker 1: are you most looking forward to. You know, I didn't

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Speaker 1: get a chance to say this on the recap, so

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Speaker 1: I'm glad that you asked me. I am very curious

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Speaker 1: to see the strategicy. This is very late in the

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Speaker 1: day for me. I was in Vegas at six o'clock

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Speaker 1: this morning. So, um, I'm looking forward to the strategic

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00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: moves of this front office because I think that they

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Speaker 1: don't know if they've necessarily surprised everyone with the way

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Speaker 1: that they've moved up and down the board and kind

791
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: of had a whole like who's on our dance card,

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00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: let's do this thing. Um. I'm just I'm just gonna

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00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: be very interested to see how creative they're going to

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Speaker 1: try and get in these last couple of rounds, because

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Speaker 1: I don't I think it's a bit of a trend

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00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: in this draft that all these teams are moving like this.

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00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: It just feels like a little bit more movement than normal.

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Speaker 1: But I also feel like this front office maybe this

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Speaker 1: is maybe because we don't know, this is the way

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Speaker 1: that this will operate for the next couple of years. Well,

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Speaker 1: it definitely hasn't been that expensive to move around, then

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Speaker 1: I think that's what's done. Yeah, that's because you know,

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Speaker 1: you didn't have, you know, a hand It's kind of

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Speaker 1: like you had a handful of guys up top, and

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00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,840
Speaker 1: then everybody else was like, hey, they're all like second

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Speaker 1: third round picks, and so I think the moving around

807
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Speaker 1: is not as expensive as it's been in the past

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Speaker 1: with all the picks that Quasi has had and what

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Speaker 1: he said about what he said about seventh round picks,

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Speaker 1: which I hold a grudge because I was a seventh

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Speaker 1: round pick, which he was right, you know, we're terrible.

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Speaker 1: Um just saying you know not, you know, a thousand

813
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Speaker 1: of them aren't worth a first round or so It's like, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: he's not just gonna throw darts at the end of

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Speaker 1: the day tomorrow because he's tired and bringing three seventh

816
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: round picks. I think he's gonna try to put something

817
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: together and move up. Yeah, that's I would think there's

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00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: at least one other guy out there he's got They

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00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: have their eyes on. Oh, for sure, we've named a lot.

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Speaker 1: Hopefully Quacy is listening to this podcast, which I know

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Speaker 1: exactly like call these draft picks getting his purple vest, Taylor.

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Speaker 1: They're adding sleeves to the vests zip to the tie

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Speaker 1: ratio was elite than the Browns color tie. Right. That

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00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: is very talking, like you share a building with the guy. Yeah,

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00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: you would think I shared a room with him too.

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Speaker 1: There are different wings of the castle. Yeah. Well, look,

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Speaker 1: the Vikings have five draft picks tomorrow. That's what we

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Speaker 1: do know. One thing we don't know is what they'll

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Speaker 1: do with them. But that's what makes this thing fun.

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Speaker 1: So Vikings fans, we'll see you guys tomorrow night. For

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