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Speaker 1: in the year twenty twenty, the year of COVID, and

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Speaker 1: because the date for this episode is March seventeenth, and

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Speaker 1: You guys like they're starting to say things are getting weird,

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Speaker 1: But this feels like maybe the last dinner we're going

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Speaker 1: But this episode from March seventeen, twenty twenty, right when

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Speaker 1: and it's called Chopsticks Greater than Forks.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff you should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 3: Hey and Welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, There's

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Speaker 3: Charles W. Chuck Bryant, there's Jerry over there, and this

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Speaker 3: is stuff you should know. All about the song Chopsticks.

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Speaker 2: I wondered if you're going to make a joke about that.

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Speaker 3: Jerry beat me to it when she was like, what

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Speaker 3: the song d D D D. No, it's d D D.

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Speaker 3: Didn't Oh is that chopsticks? Aren't there two chopsticks? No,

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Speaker 3: I'm just teasing. That's heart and soul.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, so what I said from big that was chopsticks?

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Speaker 3: Right? Totally? Yekay, Robert uh, Robert Losia. Yeah, man, I

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I remember seeing that for the first time

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And if he balked at it, they would attach

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Speaker 1: Oh so chopsticks, Right, we should point out here that

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Speaker 1: in researching this chopsticks and customs and etiquette, if we

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Speaker 3: But we are talking chopsticks, not the song. Sorry to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean, sure you could chop them up

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Speaker 2: Like, try eating some uncle bens with chopsticks.

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Speaker 3: You can't do it. It's like trying to eat noodles

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that all in one solution, I think was

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And this I believe it was Key Edward Wang

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Speaker 3: Well, they eat a lot of very very hot stews

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Speaker 3: I'm not even sure I'm saying it correctly. Have you

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Speaker 1: I tell you, one thing I do love is the

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it originated in China, but you

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Speaker 3: About, Yeah, like the one you use for miso souper man.

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Speaker 2: They're just the best.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they do. They because you can get a really

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Speaker 2: You know, it's ergonomic.

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Speaker 1: It just it's the it's the way to do it

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Speaker 3: Yeah, up with the miso soup spoon.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's take a break because I'm so hungry

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Speaker 1: we'll come back and we'll talk more about chopsticks.

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Speaker 3: Copine shot.

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Speaker 3: I don't remember what episode it was, Chuck, but do

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Speaker 3: you remember when our stomachs growled in sync with one another?

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Speaker 2: That was very recently?

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Speaker 3: It was? Yeah, you can still reminisce about recent Okay,

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Speaker 2: I'm nostalgic for that thing that happened last week.

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Speaker 1: Pretty much so apparently, and this I'm not sure how

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Speaker 1: Apparently in China the chopsticks are a little bit longer

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and they think that might be a nod to Confucius,

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Speaker 3: basically saying like, don't have knives at your table, don't

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Speaker 2: Even like nothing stabby nothing.

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Speaker 3: Don't you don't want to be stabbed at your table?

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Speaker 1: I think in Japan they're a little sharper and a

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Speaker 2: No, don't stab that piece of tuna.

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Speaker 3: No, it's you can just tell if you've ever done

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Speaker 3: that while you're doing it, that you're violating some unnatural

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Speaker 2: Feels wrong, doesn't it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me see here in Korea, apparently they're are

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's one thing that we'll see because we're going

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Speaker 1: I assume that you and U Mei have your own

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Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no never do we should? I everybody should, but.

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Speaker 1: I usually think when I'm there, I'm like, oh, man,

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, I mean like, if you go to

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Speaker 3: and it's meant for you to carry them around with you.

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Speaker 3: But no one does that. You just don't. Even though

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Speaker 3: hopefully in ten years when we're all like, Okay, this

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Speaker 3: we have some that like I could just put in

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Speaker 3: but I don't do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, one does.

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Speaker 1: I take my straw now and I use it because

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Speaker 1: I now keep it in my purse. Your merse, my merse,

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Speaker 1: which goes everywhere with me. Yeah, so I need to

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Speaker 1: throw some chopsticks in there. Sure, And it's a good

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Speaker 1: feeling when you say no straw. I've got my own,

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Speaker 1: And I would love to be able to say no, no,

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Speaker 1: you keep those wooden chopsticks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, take that straw and shove it where the sun

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Speaker 3: don't shine.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Yeah, I'm not that aggressive about.

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Speaker 3: It's so funny depending on where you are in the

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Speaker 3: you're just a straight up democratic socialist hippie, you know,

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Speaker 3: It's kind of hilarious.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Sure, But other places now are there's a couple of

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Speaker 3: Right, And if you've got a problem with that, you

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Speaker 1: Right, or you take that problem to the voting booth.

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Speaker 1: This fall right exactly. So are you prepared? Because I

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Speaker 1: at this because you so often have great, convoluted ways

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Speaker 3: I'm going to do a great job describing it to

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Speaker 2: All right, how do you use chopsticks?

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Speaker 3: All right, I'm gonna get you back for this one.

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Speaker 1: Chuck, So I did it intuitively, by the way, which

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I never read watch some I think reading it

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Speaker 3: and having to explain makes it way harder. I think

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Speaker 3: But essentially, there's a couple of things to remember. Is

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Speaker 3: want to go step by step through it?

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Speaker 2: No? I think I want the Josh method.

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Speaker 3: Okay, well it's the same. It's the same method.

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Speaker 2: Or the Josh description.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So in the valley between your thumb and your forefinger, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it really is.

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Speaker 3: So the two chopsticks lay right there, Okay, one of them,

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Speaker 3: you're just using it to kind of pick up and

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Speaker 3: not going to be able to to to to kind

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00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,879
Speaker 3: of make that tweezer motion very easily, or you're certainly

437
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: not going to have much control. It's kind of paradoxical

438
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,159
Speaker 3: that the looser you have your in to a certain degree,

439
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 3: the more control you have over the chopsticks and the

440
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,719
Speaker 3: tension that you're directing toward the end of the chopstick.

441
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,919
Speaker 3: So keep your hand loose but in control, and just

442
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 3: make sure you remember that the bottom one that's kind

443
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 3: of resting all the way along your thumb the free zone.

444
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: It's basically stationary, and the top one is the one

445
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 3: you're directing with your index finger and middle finger.

446
00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I recommend halfway through your meal, switch those two

447
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,400
Speaker 1: out because that bottom one is just along for the ride. Yeah,

448
00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 1: and it needs to do a little work, you know

449
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,040
Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, So just switch them out and

450
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 1: make that one the topper and give it, you know,

451
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: make it do a little sweat sweating.

452
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:41,719
Speaker 3: I think that's pretty good. Chunk do a little sweat.

453
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 3: I think we deserve a Peabody Award for describing how

454
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 3: to use chopsticks. No visuals.

455
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 1: You did talk about the environmental impact a little bit,

456
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: but it is a real problem. I mean you see

457
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: these tiny little things and you think, what's the big whoop?

458
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: Like a tree can probably make a gazillion chopsticks, so

459
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: they need, like true, maybe ten trees in China to

460
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 1: make all the chopsticks they need.

461
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 3: Do you remember that just one thing? Do you remember

462
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 3: that cartoon It might have been a Simpsons or something

463
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:12,080
Speaker 3: like that, where they chop down a tree and they

464
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,840
Speaker 3: show them processing one single tree into just an individual toothpick. No,

465
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,679
Speaker 3: that's pretty sure it had to be the Simpsons, you know,

466
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 3: But imagine if they're like, no, we make one chopstick

467
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 3: out of just a single tree.

468
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: I didn't think about toothpicks. Man, How many toothpicks can

469
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: you get out of a tree?

470
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: I don't even know they're problem. They're on the horizon, right.

471
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: But when you think about the fact that China alone

472
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:42,720
Speaker 1: produces eighty billion disposable chopsticks every year, then you get

473
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a sense of exactly how

474
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 1: many of these trees? And it says here there was

475
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find out what year this is. It

476
00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: was fairly recently, but they've had like parliamentary meetings and

477
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: stuff about this in China and they estimated that it

478
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,439
Speaker 1: takes about twenty million million twenty year old trees to

479
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: cover their annual rate of production.

480
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. A guy named by Waxen pretty sure I said

481
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 3: his last name correct. Yeah, he's like a representative from

482
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,479
Speaker 3: the ji Lean Forestry Industry group and he really like

483
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 3: rocked everybody at a parliamentary meeting where he basically said, hey,

484
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,640
Speaker 3: do you remember that old figure that everybody has been

485
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 3: touting for years that we actually use fifty seven billion

486
00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,680
Speaker 3: chopsticks a year produce fifty seven billion chopsticks a year.

487
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 3: He said, that's way off. It's actually eighty billion, and

488
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 3: like you just said, we need twenty million twenty year

489
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: old trees to meet that a year. Yeah, and people said, wow,

490
00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 3: that's kind of a problem. And so around the world, Like,

491
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 3: so of that eighty billion, I think China, half of

492
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: them stays in China. Of the other half, yeah, I

493
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 3: wondered about that, seventy seven percent goes to Japan. And

494
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 3: Japan was actually the one that started all this. They

495
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 3: can't I'm up with disposable chopsticks ware Bashi all the

496
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 3: way back in eighteen seventy eight and have just been

497
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,719
Speaker 3: crazy for him ever since. Yeah, Like you can go

498
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 3: to like a pretty high end restaurant in Japan and

499
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 3: they're going to have wooden chopsticks that you pull are chopsticks, yeah,

500
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 3: that you would pull apart. There are also plenty of

501
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 3: restaurants in Japan that have reusable ones, and they're much

502
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: more elegant or whatever. But it's not like you wouldn't

503
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 3: just walk in and be like, what is this disposable chopsticks?

504
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 3: Are you kidding? Because they're just such a part of

505
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 3: Japanese culture. So they use seventy seven percent of the

506
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 3: other half. Korea uses twenty one percent, and then two

507
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 3: percent comes to the United States. Yeah, is that all

508
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 3: I have to catch that? That was twenty eleven figures,

509
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 3: which is the latest I could find.

510
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm kind of surprised that.

511
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:47,480
Speaker 1: I would think China and Japan, it would just seem

512
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,959
Speaker 1: like they would like everyone would have their own and

513
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: it would be a very like prideful thing to take

514
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: care of your chopsticks and to have something cool looking. Yeah,

515
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: it just kind of surprises me that they're so down

516
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,640
Speaker 1: with the disposable.

517
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 3: It surprises a lot of people. Especially Japan is like

518
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 3: really well known for being meticulous with recycling and reducing

519
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 3: waste and stuff like that. Yeah, it's just this one thing.

520
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,240
Speaker 3: They really love their disposable chopsticks, and they just throw

521
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: them away. They're not being recycled or composted or anything

522
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,120
Speaker 3: like that. They're just being thrown in the trash. So

523
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 3: some what I read is that some restaurants will offer,

524
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 3: you know, tea for free if you bring your own chopsticks,

525
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 3: or maybe like a disc tea anyway. That. But yeah, basically,

526
00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 3: but there's not like a lot of there's not a

527
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 3: huge amount of movement in Japan where China and this is.

528
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 3: I think I read this in like a like a

529
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 3: New York Times green blog or something like that. China's

530
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 3: made some some moves like like taxing disposable adding an

531
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 3: extra tax to disposable chopsticks. I think.

532
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: More regulation basically overall, I think.

533
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 3: Which is really saying something, you know. I mean, there's

534
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 3: like apparently a whole sub industry to the disposable chopsticks

535
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 3: industry that is small enough that it escapes a lot

536
00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 3: of oversight, and they can be really problematically. There can

537
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 3: be a lot of chemicals in these chopsticks. They're just

538
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 3: like an all around basic nightmare and it's just such

539
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 3: low hanging through all and everybody has to do is

540
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 3: just have their own chopsticks. But just people just won't

541
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 3: do it. And I'm guilty too, like I said, I mean,

542
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 3: we have reusable ones at home, but we don't take

543
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 3: them out of the house ever.

544
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:36,399
Speaker 2: Yeah. Plus the paper used to encase the said chopsticks.

545
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 2: That's a lot of paper.

546
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 3: Too, Yeah it is.

547
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 2: And what do you do with that stuff? You just

548
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 2: rip it open and burn it at the table.

549
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, yeah, it's true.

550
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 2: Should we take another break? Yeah, all right, We'll take

551
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 2: another break.

552
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 1: And talk a little bit about etiquette right after this,

553
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: because we're all doing it wrong to a certain degree.

554
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 2: Scott shot.

555
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: Shot Okay, miss Manners, lay it on.

556
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 2: That's doctor, Missus Manners.

557
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 3: That's right, PhD esquire.

558
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: So this is mainly Japan that we're concentrating on with

559
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 1: the etiquette, and like you said, I think they take

560
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: it a little more seriously than some other Asian countries

561
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: because it turns out that chopsticks can and have had

562
00:29:54,440 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: an important part in burial rights yea and funeral rights.

563
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 3: Funeral rights, like a lot of the taboos I guess

564
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 3: you'd call them over chopsticks in Japan and in other

565
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 3: Asian countries too, are kind of based on like well,

566
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of something we do with funeral rights.

567
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,959
Speaker 3: And so that reminds us of that Japan is not

568
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 3: crazy about being reminded of death or mortality or pain.

569
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 3: All that stuff is very unlucky, Like the number four

570
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 3: is unlucky because the word for four I think she

571
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: also sounds very much like the word for death right.

572
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: I think I remember that that. So they don't have

573
00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: four elevator floors, is that right?

574
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 3: I don't better if they do or not, but let's

575
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: just go with that they don't because it sounds pretty great.

576
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: So etiquette level one is how is how this is presented.

577
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,440
Speaker 1: There's a couple of levels here as far as like,

578
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: you really shouldn't do these things, but if you really

579
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,480
Speaker 1: want to ramp it up, you shouldn't do these things

580
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: as well. I felt these were kind of willy nilly,

581
00:30:57,920 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 1: didn't you. Well, I mean, this is one person to

582
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: pay right. But the things that you really shouldn't do

583
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: are the following. Do not if you like, get up

584
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: to go to the bathroom, don't stick your chopsticks sitting

585
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: upright in your bowl of rice. No, And that has

586
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:20,479
Speaker 1: to do with the household Buddhist altar, because it is

587
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 1: a bowl of rice is offered as to a dead

588
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:28,800
Speaker 1: person's spirit. And this apparently is from a Budhist Buddhist

589
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: Buddhist funeral rights as well, because there's a photograph of

590
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: a bowl of rice and to stick chopsticks in the

591
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: middle of that would be for boten.

592
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: I think it's they'll have like a photograph of the

593
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: deceased and they give them a bowl of uncooked rice,

594
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 3: so they and they stick the chopsticks up in that oh, okay,

595
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 3: I rather, so it's reminiscent of that that okay, So

596
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 3: so it's got that death thing going on, the death angle. Yeah.

597
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 3: And then the other thing I saw about that too

598
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: is that they it also is reminiscent of like a

599
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 3: bowl of sand with incense sticking out of it that

600
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 3: you would also put on a Buddhist shrine to the deceased.

601
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: So they're like way too reminiscent of death for that

602
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 3: to be Okay, Okay, that makes sense. Now there's another

603
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: one that's very similar. Don't leave your chopsticks crossed, like

604
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: resting on your bowl or on your plate. Just don't

605
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: cross your chopsticks. It's impolite, basically for the exact same

606
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: reason as sticking them out of the bowl.

607
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: Right.

608
00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 1: And I think that one is when you see, like

609
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: on food Instagram food posts a lot from Whitey saying,

610
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 1: you know, like across the chopsticks because it looks.

611
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: Cool or whatever.

612
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: Look at how cool this looks?

613
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 2: Not cool? Apparently we talked about spearing.

614
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 1: The advice here is to treat them as if they

615
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: are actually connected, even though they're not.

616
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 3: It's a good way to remember it, like pretend connected.

617
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: That's right, yeah, and remember this is like that. I

618
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 3: think that goes back to like Confucius, where it's like,

619
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: don't don't have a knife at your table, don't use

620
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 3: your chopsticks a spear food.

621
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: That's right. Apparently it's bad luck or not bad luck. Well,

622
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: maybe bad luck to use two different chopsticks. Yeah, they

623
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: should have the same mommy and daddy. This person said

624
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: that it's just unsightly and that it's also reminiscent funeral rights.

625
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 3: That one I couldn't. I couldn't figure that one out. Yeah,

626
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 3: there's there's another funeral one too. A lot of funeral

627
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: rights involved chopsticks, passing food from chopstick to chopstick. Like

628
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: if you're like, hey, you got to try a bite

629
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 3: of this, that's just hard to hold it up. It's

630
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 3: it's but it's kind of it's a little bit showy. Yeah,

631
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: if you can do it, look at us. But but

632
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 3: when you you know, if somebody grabs it with their chopstick,

633
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 3: that's how they pass bones from cremations during funeral rights too,

634
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: And they're like, nope, that reminds us of that as well.

635
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there are some of these that are just

636
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: like I can't believe people do this. Do not wash

637
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: your chopsticks off in your beverage. Yeah, that's gross.

638
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 3: If someone do that, I don't know. Apparently somebody has

639
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: the other thing about this is so the fact that

640
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: they have restrictions on this social restrictions means that people

641
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 3: have done it before. But they also go so far

642
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 3: as like most of these things all have like individual words.

643
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: That's how like agro the Japanese are about this, this

644
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: kind of etiquette. Yeah, they have words for that, Like

645
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 3: washing your chopsticks off in your drink is not just

646
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: called washing your chopsticks off in.

647
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: Your Yeah, there's a name for it. Let me see here.

648
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 2: Do not treat them as toys.

649
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: And we talked earlier about putting them in your mouth

650
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: like their fangs or walrus tusks or antennas or drumsticks.

651
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 2: Just not a good look.

652
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 3: Right.

653
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: Here's another one that is this is a sort of

654
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 1: one that I think happens a lot. Is you might

655
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 1: see women American women maybe do their hair and put

656
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 1: chopsticks in them. Those when you see that in Japan,

657
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: those are not chopsticks, right. It might look like chopsticks,

658
00:34:58,280 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: but they're actually called kenza.

659
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'd be kind of like sticking a fork in

660
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 3: your hair. If you're walking around Japan looking like that,

661
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 3: they'd be like, why do you why do you have

662
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 3: that fork in your hair? Yeah, it looks a little off,

663
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: but yeah, like they look just like those things, but

664
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 3: there's a separate thing, that's right. What did you call them?

665
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: Kanzashi? Yeah?

666
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 3: Nice, that's a beautiful w mean, I didn't make that up, right,

667
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: I know. Another one is you'll very frequently see people

668
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 3: do this, and I've done it too, and it's apparently

669
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: acceptable under certain circumstances. But when you break your warabashi,

670
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:39,839
Speaker 3: your disposable cheap chopsticks apart at the end, if there's

671
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: splinters or there's like a piece of wood sticking out,

672
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,320
Speaker 3: you can rub them together. It's kind of soften the

673
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 3: wood or get the splinters off. But you're not supposed

674
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 3: to do that as just like a matter of course,

675
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 3: because you're basically insulting the restaurant. You're saying, like, these

676
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 3: are so cheap, these chopsticks that you're providing your gas. Yeah,

677
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 3: that like I've got to rub them together, and you

678
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: definitely don't want to like make eye contact with the

679
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,400
Speaker 3: owner while you're rubbing it together. You're like, this is

680
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 3: what I think of your establishment. And people do that

681
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 3: all the time.

682
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 2: I do it.

683
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 3: It's almost like habitual.

684
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 2: It's habitual for me.

685
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: And I started doing it when I first started using

686
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: chopsticks because I saw the person I was with did it,

687
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 1: and I was like, I guess that's what you do.

688
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: You get those little splinters off, right, And now it's

689
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: a total habit and my whole thing there. I don't

690
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: think that one's a really big one, like, especially in America,

691
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: it happens so much. I don't think anyone a restaurant

692
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,879
Speaker 1: owner is like super insulted by seeing this. Sure, yeah,

693
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,400
Speaker 1: especially in America, but they are super cheap and they

694
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:40,919
Speaker 1: do splinter right.

695
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 3: Well. In that case, yes, like that that proprietor has

696
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 3: brought it on himself for herself for providing everybody with

697
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: such cheap chopsticks that they're splintering.

698
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 2: I will always remember this now, I'll tell you that.

699
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is so I agree with you. I

700
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:57,640
Speaker 3: think that this is probably not that big of an

701
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 3: insul especially in America. It's probably falls in line with

702
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 3: like how you're not supposed to like put your with

703
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 3: sabi put in the soy sauce or something like that. Well,

704
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 3: if you want to just do it, you know, if

705
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: you want to be remarkably polite, then you wouldn't do

706
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 3: any of these things. Some are way worse than others,

707
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 3: and I think that one probably falls into the lesser category,

708
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 3: even though it's under this advancing. This is why I

709
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: was saying this seems willy nilly.

710
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that we also covered some of this in

711
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: our sushi episode, because if I'm not mistaken, don't you

712
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: eat sushi.

713
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 2: With your fingers? Or am I wrong?

714
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,440
Speaker 3: Don't you?

715
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 2: Don't you eat with your fingers? Or do you not?

716
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: No? I don't. I love showing off how great I

717
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,399
Speaker 3: am at chopsticks. I use them at every turn still

718
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: every time I can't. Yeah, I eat millet gruel with chopsticks.

719
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 3: That's how good I am.

720
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

721
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: Or you I've seen you just flip up a shrimp

722
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:52,239
Speaker 1: and catch it in the other one.

723
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:53,919
Speaker 2: What a show off.

724
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: It's pretty great.

725
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: Because you have chopsticks.

726
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,280
Speaker 1: You have four, you have two in each hand, yes, basically,

727
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: and you do a little side show there.

728
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 2: It's really impressive.

729
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 3: Edward scissorhands, Josh chopstick finger But no you're supposed to

730
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 3: eat sushi. It's specifically nagiri right right with your hand.

731
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 3: That's how it was originally done. If I remember correctly

732
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 3: from our sushi episode, I think so. Yeah, But yeah,

733
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 3: we use chopsticks these days.

734
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 1: Here's another no no is do not use chopstick as

735
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: a rake, Like, don't lift up a bowl of rice

736
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,959
Speaker 1: and just sort of rake rice into your mouth.

737
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 3: So that's Japan. I saw in China that's perfectly accepted,

738
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 3: really normal.

739
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, yeah, it gets dicey with it's not the

740
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: samement everywhere, you know.

741
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing. I don't know if we said

742
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 3: this before. So in Thailand they don't use chopsticks almost

743
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 3: as a rule. In Vietnam, Korea, Japan, and China, they're

744
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 3: they're totally ubiquitous, almost the only thing you're gonna find

745
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: that you eat with. And so that means that like

746
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 3: even a bowl of soup like miso soup, you're supposed

747
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: to use your chopsticks for that. Like the little chunks

748
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: of tofu. Yeah, it took me a second. You use

749
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 3: your your chopsticks to eat those out of the bowl

750
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: and then you slurp the rest or sip the rest depending,

751
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: but with bryce you would hold the bowl up kind

752
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 3: of close to your face, but not like up in

753
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 3: your face, just under your chin and out a little bit.

754
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 3: And then you, you know, eat the rice with your

755
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 3: chopsticks from there, lifting the rice up to your mouth,

756
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 3: not shoveling it into your mouth from the bowl.

757
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: Right, And I saw with soups and things. Also is

758
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: if you really want to ramp up the etiquette, you

759
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: should try and drip into the bowl.

760
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 3: Oh right, when you like, when you are picking up

761
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: the tofu, you want to kind of shake the tofu

762
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: off so it doesn't drip on you are on the table. Yes,

763
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: if you really want to excel etiquette, you would just

764
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: not eat anything. You just sit there quietly with your

765
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 3: chopsticks side by side, still in their wrapper, just smiling

766
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 3: politely at everyone like it didn't.

767
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 2: Break any rules. And I'm really hungry.

768
00:39:57,800 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: That's right.

769
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: There's a couple more here. Don't point with your chopsticks.

770
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: It's tough not to do, do you point. I don't

771
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 3: point at people you know or anything like that. Can

772
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 3: you pass me that thing right there? Yeah?

773
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: And you just sort of give a little nod like hey,

774
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: that that pot sticker over there.

775
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, because they're fun to hold and point with and

776
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: like do stuff with. I just I don't know, maybe

777
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 3: I'm still it's still novel enough to me that I

778
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: have to remind myself not to point, or you me

779
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: has to remind me not to point with the chopsticks.

780
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: Or when you're talking and you're expressing things with your

781
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: hands and you're using your chopsticks, or if you want

782
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:39,319
Speaker 1: to just do a little Maestro routine, right, you know.

783
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 3: Let's look down upon or if you're using your hands

784
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: for something else, you don't stick your chopsticks in your

785
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:46,920
Speaker 3: mouth and just hold them in there while you're like

786
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 3: moving plates around or something like that. You set them down.

787
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: And here's the other thing too. If you go to

788
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 3: a very nice restaurant in Japan or in the States

789
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 3: and it just happens to be a Japanese restaurant, about

790
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: that really prolonged this thought. They're going to give you

791
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: a chopstick rest Oh, short your chopsticks on, so they're

792
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 3: kind of lifted off of the table the end that

793
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 3: you put in your mouth. If you don't have that,

794
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 3: you can take that paper wrapper and roll it up

795
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 3: and make your own chopstick rest, that's.

796
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: Right, because you're setting your chopsticks down on a table

797
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: that could be you know, have germs.

798
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 3: Right, and speaking of germs, also, chuck. You never ever

799
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 3: use the chopsticks that you're eating with to serve yourself

800
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 3: from a communal plate or bowl, that's for sure. They

801
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 3: should give you like a spoon or something like that

802
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 3: to spoon it onto your plate, and then you use

803
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 3: your chopsticks because that's just germy and diseasy. And apparently

804
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: there's a a like a supplement to that where if

805
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: they don't give you a serving spoon, people flip their

806
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 3: chopsticks over and use the thicker end to shovel the

807
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 3: food onto the plate, which is not necessary anymore hygienic

808
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: because that's where your hands have been rather than your mouth.

809
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:06,880
Speaker 3: But that's the more socially acceptable thing to do than

810
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 3: just using the business end of your chopsticks.

811
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: I don't know why that's so funny to me.

812
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,960
Speaker 1: But the ends though, I mean, if you're using them right,

813
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,280
Speaker 1: you're choked up a little bit, so they're not really

814
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: being touched by your hands, you know, true, Like you

815
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: don't stick the ends in your palm, that's right, it's

816
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: true you choke up on it like a baseball bat.

817
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. They say in Korea apparently that the further down

818
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 3: though you hold the chopsticks, the longer it's going to

819
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:40,720
Speaker 3: be before you get married.

820
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean we could talk about some of

821
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 1: these kind of fun fun facts.

822
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: Fine, let me see here.

823
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: One is, if you are given an uneven pair, you

824
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 1: will miss a boat or a plane.

825
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

826
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: And this is came from Malaysia. I'm not sure if

827
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: that's ubiquitous all over Asia.

828
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 3: I think it's Chinese.

829
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 2: Okay, I think what else here? This is kind of fun.

830
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: If you use chopsticks, it involves over fifty muscles in

831
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: the fingers and thirty joints in the well overall in

832
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 1: the fingers, arms, shoulders, and wrists.

833
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty cool it is. I mean, how many you

834
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 3: use for a fork? Like two? Maybe give me a break.

835
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 3: I saw a couple of things. One is that there

836
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 3: was a study that found that eating popcorn with chopsticks

837
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:37,280
Speaker 3: makes eating popcorn much more enjoyable than eating it without

838
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 3: chopsticks with your fingers instead. And they even controlled for

839
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 3: the amount of extra time it takes to eat popcorn

840
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 3: with chopsticks. It's not just that you're eating slower so

841
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: you're relishing it more. Because they had a control group

842
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: using their fingers eat at a very slow pace too,

843
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 3: And apparently they think it's just the fact that you're

844
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,919
Speaker 3: doing something differently makes you appreciate the thing that you're

845
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 3: doing or that you're eating that much more. Like if

846
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: you pour water out of like a separate, you know,

847
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 3: water bottle, like at a restaurant, how they have like

848
00:44:07,760 --> 00:44:11,440
Speaker 3: the little chilled water bottles they'll bring over. Look at

849
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,759
Speaker 3: taste with taste better than water that you just pour

850
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 3: it out of the tap, even if it was the

851
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 3: exact same water, because it's being conveyed differently.

852
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's also how you would get popcorn to

853
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: last through the opening previews of a movie. That's right,

854
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: because you're not just shoveling it in your mouth like

855
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: I do. It's so bizarre, man, I do the same thing.

856
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: I've tried to do, the like couple of kernels at

857
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: a time, and you know, I do that for the

858
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: first few and then before you know it, I've just

859
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: got handfuls that I'm pushing into my.

860
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: Mouth, right right, That's how you have to do it.

861
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 3: You have to use the palm of your hand to

862
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,360
Speaker 3: really shove the entire fistful in there. You can't just

863
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 3: use your little fingertips. It doesn't work. You'll choke on them.

864
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: And I don't know if it's an sort of a

865
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Speaker 1: subliminal desire for mean not to be distracted during the movie,

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Speaker 1: But the ideal, in the ideal world, I would just

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Speaker 1: sit there and bunch a couple of pieces at a

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Speaker 1: time for two hours.

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Speaker 3: Like just chew them a million times.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, just.

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Speaker 1: Eat a couple of kernels at a time and just

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Speaker 1: really elongate the whole experience.

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Speaker 3: Take put those chopsticks in your merse and take those

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Speaker 3: to the theater.

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Speaker 2: People would be like, look at that guy.

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Speaker 3: Hey, though you have to be careful though, yes, they yes,

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Speaker 3: they would. You have to be careful though who you

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Speaker 3: brandish those chopsticks around, because so you put this together.

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Speaker 3: Kudos for that. One of the facts you came up

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Speaker 3: with is that there's something called consecutive layophobia consecutive lay

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Speaker 3: a phobia, I think I said, which is literally a

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Speaker 3: fear of chopsticks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a fear for everything.

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Speaker 3: But but yes, but I was reading a blog post

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Speaker 3: on it and some maybe psych net i think, and

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Speaker 3: they were saying, like, there's basically two categories of phobias,

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Speaker 3: ones that are semi rational. They use the example of

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Speaker 3: a fear of sharks. Well, if you did run into

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Speaker 3: a shark, there's a chance you could be killed by

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Speaker 3: that shark. So it's not just totally bonkers to be

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Speaker 3: afraid of sharks, but the a phobia of sharks is

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Speaker 3: an irrational fear, Like maybe if you live in Kansas,

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Speaker 3: you got no reason to have a fear of sharks.

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Speaker 3: This one, they said, this basically qualifies in the bonkers category,

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Speaker 3: Like there's virtually nothing that chopsticks can do to hurt you,

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Speaker 3: So to be irrationally afraid of chopsticks where you feel

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Speaker 3: like heart pounding anxiety is a genuine died in the

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Speaker 3: whole phobia. But some people do apparently experience this, although

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Speaker 3: it's super rare. Yeah, that's interesting, But you'll like avoid

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Speaker 3: entire types of restaurants because you can't be around chopsticks

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Speaker 3: and you'll get anxious just thinking about being around chopsticks.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's so sad because Asian food makes up a

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Speaker 1: large portion of my diet.

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Speaker 3: Well, luckily for you, you don't have consecutiaophobia. No.

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Speaker 1: I mean when I think about sushi, I think about

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Speaker 1: fa right, I think about ramen. I think about good

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Speaker 1: old fashioned Sechuan Chinese food. Oh yeah, think about Korean.

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Speaker 1: And that's just the tip of the iceberg. I could

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Speaker 1: eat that. I could eat that all the time.

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Speaker 3: Dude, you've got to get some boot at jig. I'll

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Speaker 3: take you to go get some. All right, you're gonna

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Speaker 3: you're gonna love it so good.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait.

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Speaker 3: You got anything else?

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Speaker 2: I got nothing else.

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Speaker 3: Forty five minutes on chopsticks, baby, not bad. If you

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Speaker 3: want to know more about chopsticks, go get yourself some

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Speaker 3: that you can reuse and eat conscientiously with them. And

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Speaker 3: don't forget all of the manners. But just go eat

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Speaker 3: some Asian food because no matter where it's farm or

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Speaker 3: what it is, it's probably pretty good.

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Speaker 2: Agreed.

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Speaker 3: Since I said that it's time for listener mayl.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna call this two for two. Hey, guys, I

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Speaker 1: read a few years ago about Alan. Thought i'd share

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Speaker 1: a Sammy Davis junior story. Oh wow, And this is

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Speaker 1: from Andrew Limberg in Pittsburgh, and he got his Alan

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Speaker 1: aldowin red and when I told him this was coming on,

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Speaker 1: he wrote back, two for two baby, nice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's people out there who are like, oh for ten.

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Speaker 2: I know. I'm so sorry.

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Speaker 3: I assume it's not like we're keeping track of people

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Speaker 3: like that.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I have a screadsheet. Oh you do, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's me, he says.

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Speaker 1: So in the eighties, Sammy would had been cleaned out

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Speaker 1: by his ex wife and was selling barbecue sauce. He

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Speaker 1: was in Pittsburgh to promote it, and my friend Larry,

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Speaker 1: who had a local TV show at the time, got

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Speaker 1: a chance to interview him. When they arrived at the hotel,

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Speaker 1: they were told they would get twenty minutes with Sammy,

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Speaker 1: but when they talked to Sammy's manager, he said only

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Speaker 1: ten minutes. So, instead of having time to set up

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Speaker 1: a two shot interview, and for people that don't know

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Speaker 1: the lingo, that means both people are in the same

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Speaker 1: camera frame. Okay, they kept the camera on Sammy and

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Speaker 1: Larry would then go back in at his footage later

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Speaker 1: so he would, I guess, re ask the questions with

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Speaker 1: a ghost Sammy just to edit it together. At the

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Speaker 1: end of the interview, they needed one, just one two

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Speaker 1: shot of the two of them together so they could

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Speaker 1: edits it realistically, and Sammy's manager said nope, and Larry

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Speaker 1: looked at Sammy almost begging because they needed the two shot.

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Speaker 1: Sammy took a long drag of a cigarette and said,

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Speaker 1: get your two shot, babe. The manager then said, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm the a hole, to which Sammy said,

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Speaker 1: as a matter of fact, Babe, you are an a hole.

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Speaker 2: So this is how the story goes, apparently.

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Speaker 1: And Then Andrew says he's been listening since eight and

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Speaker 1: went to that live show on Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: Please come back, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And he says he is a podcast now called the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Oddcast.

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Speaker 2: Nice and he said, we.

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Speaker 1: Average about fifteen hundred listens an episode, which is pretty

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Speaker 1: darn good.

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Speaker 3: Andrew, Yeah, it is nice work.

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Speaker 2: And for a self styled show, that's not bad at all.

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Speaker 3: Especially a local one too. Pittsburgh podcast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Pittsburgh ins.

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Speaker 1: If you're from the Burgh, yeah, check out the Pittsburgh Podcast,

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Speaker 1: and Andrew.

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Speaker 3: Or even if you're interested in it, sure, Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: You might live in Philadelphia and just be a burghead exactly.

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Speaker 3: Well, that was a pretty great one, Thank you very

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Speaker 3: much too. For two, that's pretty impressive, Andrew. And if

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Speaker 3: you want to get Chuck to do any Sammy Davis

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Speaker 3: Junior impressions, write in with your own Sammy Davis Junior

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Speaker 3: story and see how it goes. And you can put

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Speaker 3: that in an email, wrap it up, spank it on

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Speaker 3: the bottom, and send it off to Stuff podcast at

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