1 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: What is up straight fire? Payam, It's me Jason McIntyre. 3 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:20,639 Speaker 2: Straight Fire for Tuesday, June the eighteenth, and we have 4 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 2: a new NBA champion, six time in six years, a 5 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:29,840 Speaker 2: different champion hoisting Malaria O'Brien trophy. And there's no drum 6 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 2: roll needed for the Boston Celtics who wiped the floor 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 2: with the hapless Dallas Mavericks. I'm a little embarrassed. I 8 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 2: had the MAVs winning. What was it one, six, one 9 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: five or something nonsense. I will confess I had zero 10 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 2: read on this series. This series totally shook me. I 11 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: had a great read on the Celtics throughout the run 12 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 2: in the East, loved them all along, had an awesome 13 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: read on the MAVs against the Clippers, against Okace, against Minnesota, 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: felt great. You get to the finals and I'm like, 15 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 2: I don't get this. Nothing adds up. Porzingis did play, 16 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 2: came off the bench, he was eh. I thought this 17 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 2: was all about Jason Tatum, who was incredible. I thought 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 2: he was on his way to finals MVP with a 19 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: spectacular thirty one eleven assists, eight boards performance in forty 20 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:17,160 Speaker 2: five minutes, Tatum did not miss a free throw. He 21 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: I thought he was spectacular in a game that was 22 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,319 Speaker 2: basically over in the second quarter. Actually, you could go Rob, 23 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: I could argue late first quarter. It's funny. I went 24 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: out to meet a couple buddies for a bite and 25 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 2: they had the game on, and I'm literally walking from 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 2: my car into the restaurant. Maybe we'll give it two blocks, 27 00:01:37,000 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: and I'm watching the game on my phone. But then 28 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:40,959 Speaker 2: I see somebody I know quick, what's up? So I 29 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 2: stopped watching the game, and then I don't go back 30 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 2: to watching the game until I'm in the seat. It 31 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 2: went from I saw the Xum three pointer right that 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 2: cuts it to nineteen eighteen with a minute fifty five 33 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 2: left in the first In the next one seventeen, Boston 34 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: won on a nine to nothing run Okay Jaylen Brown dunk, 35 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: Maxi Kleeber miss three, Sam Howser three, Luca turnover, Jalen 36 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: Brown two, PJ. Washington picked clean by Tatum, who scores 37 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 2: nine to nothing in one point seventeen, and it felt 38 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 2: like the game was over. Then the second quarter begin 39 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: get I literally get to the restaurant, I look up 40 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: at the screen. I'm like, what the hell? 41 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:17,200 Speaker 3: What? 42 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 2: It was just a one point game. That's how quickly 43 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 2: this game turned. It just fell apart for Dallas. Second 44 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 2: quarter Howser bangs of three, Brown bangs of three. They 45 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 2: go up by twelve and that was a wrap. I 46 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: mean maybe in the third quarter, I think Dallas got 47 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 2: it to like fifteen, it was like, ooh, could this 48 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 2: get down to ten and get interesting? No, no, no chance. 49 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: Tatum was having none of it. Drew Holliday was excellent, 50 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 2: and ultimately, there's really not much to dig into regarding 51 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 2: the game. I think the conversation today will surround two things. 52 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: Number one, what does the media have against Jason Tatum? 53 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: Why don't they like him? Folks? He led the Celtics 54 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: in the playoffs in points, rebounds and assists. He led 55 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 2: the Celtics in the finals in points, rebounds and assists, 56 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 2: and they gave the MVP to Jalen Brown. Okay, Jayalen 57 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 2: Brown was excellent in the series. Fine, he wasn't particularly 58 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: great last night twenty one to eight and six, not 59 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: that he was bad seven or twenty three shooting. Didn't 60 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 2: feel like he had the impact he had in a 61 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 2: different some of the other games. 62 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: He was good. 63 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: He was very good. Drew Holiday was excellent. But I'm 64 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 2: watching that game and I'm like, boy, Tatum, he's the MVP. 65 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 2: He was. I thought he was fantastic and again he 66 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 2: led his team in the finals in points, rebounds, in assists, 67 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 2: and for whatever reason, the media, I don't know. I 68 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: don't want to listen. I don't want to say they 69 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: have it out for Tatum, but they don't like him 70 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 2: or respect him. I'm not saying they dislike him. I'm 71 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: just saying for a guy who's as great as he is, 72 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 2: and I will stand by this. We can argue it 73 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: till we're blue in the face. We could go back 74 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 2: and forth on who are the five guys you can 75 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 2: build around the league. Tatum, for me, is in the 76 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 2: top five. We could go the top five players in 77 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: the league right now, and I'll spot you Luka Jokichen 78 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 2: Janis and I will again, I could argue more than 79 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: capably that I'm Tatum is a better player right now. 80 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 2: I mean he's a little older than SGA. Tatum is 81 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: a better player right now than Anthony Edwards. Tatum is 82 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 2: a better player right now than Wembin Yama. He's better 83 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 2: and younger than Lebron. He's better than Curry. Like Jason, 84 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 2: Tatum is a very He's so accomplished. It's scary how 85 00:04:29,600 --> 00:04:31,840 Speaker 2: much he's done at this young age, Folks. I don't 86 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: know if people realize this the Celtics, who just went 87 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: sixteen and three in the playoffs. The second level is, 88 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: you know, one, why isn't the media love Tatum? And 89 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,839 Speaker 2: then the second one, obviously is how good is the 90 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: Celtics team. Tatum is twenty six years old, Brown is 91 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 2: twenty seven. They don't seem to be going anywhere. And 92 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 2: I did look through I did. This is so nerdy 93 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: of me. I don't care to admit this. I did 94 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 2: a search for myself on Twitter what I had said 95 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 2: about tat because I have been If you guys listen 96 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 2: to all my comments over the years on Tatum, I 97 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 2: have steadfastly been pro Tatum. He's a build around guy. 98 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: He's a superstar. I think I set the over under 99 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: on MVP Awards in the league for Tatum at one 100 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: and a half. I think my guess is next year 101 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: he probably opens the season as the favorite, him or Luca. Usually, 102 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 2: if you win the finals, you open as the favorite. 103 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,000 Speaker 2: Jokic won the finals last year, came in as the favorite. 104 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: Now Joel Embiid, who the media loves. It's funny media 105 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: loves Joel Embiid. 106 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 3: Oh my god. 107 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 2: Now he probably works, talks to the media, is a 108 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 2: source off the record text blah blah blah. And Tatum 109 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 2: doesn't he just doesn't play those games. That's possible. I 110 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: don't know if that's factual. I'm just speculating why the 111 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 2: media loves Joel Embiid but doesn't like Tatum and Rob. 112 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 2: I'll turn it over to you before we get to 113 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,240 Speaker 2: our second level. But it is weird how people want 114 00:05:55,240 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: to pick apart Tatum's game. And he was spectacular in 115 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,720 Speaker 2: this postseason. I know. Let me guess. Oh, he's only 116 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: shooting thirty ninety eight percent. Hello, the playoffs are tough. 117 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,599 Speaker 2: People actually play defense. This isn't like the regular season. 118 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: And you could pick a part his field goal percent. 119 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: It's fine. He led the team in points, rebounds, on assists, 120 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: he's creating. He's playing small ball five at times because 121 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 2: of the Porzingis injury. And oh, by the way, he's scoring, 122 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 2: he's shooting three. He's now, I know he didn't shoot 123 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:27,800 Speaker 2: the three at a great clip in the series. But 124 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 2: so freaking what Steph Curry has struggled shooting a three 125 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,480 Speaker 2: in the in the finals. It's the Finals, folks, you're 126 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: on game What eighty two plus nineteen is one oh one? Now, 127 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: I'm sure Tatum missed a couple games, but you're one 128 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 2: hundred games in. Of course, the legs aren't gonna fully 129 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 2: be there. And I don't know, Robie, I just I 130 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,559 Speaker 2: don't totally get it. Oh, I have the official numbers. 131 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 2: Tatum shot thirty eight percent from the field, twenty six 132 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: percent from three, ninety two from the line for the 133 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,640 Speaker 2: series average twenty two, seven and seven. Go ahead, Brob, 134 00:07:00,640 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: pick him apart, Taram the shreds my Man. 135 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:06,880 Speaker 3: Jason Tatum was robbed point blank period. Future Laker Jason 136 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 3: Tatum was robbed the Finals MVP. You mentioned right off 137 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 3: the top his numbers there in the clincher in game 138 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 3: five thirty three, eight and eleven, joining Jerry West in 139 00:07:17,080 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: nineteen sixty nine as the only players in NBA history 140 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,600 Speaker 3: to put those kind of numbers in a Finals clinching game. 141 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 3: In the process, Jason Tatum became just the sixth player 142 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: in NBA history to win the championship while leading their 143 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 3: team in points, rebounds, assists. Joining Jokic, Alajuan Duncan, Lebron Bird. 144 00:07:38,680 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 2: And Tatum, that's a good group. I mean joining him decently. 145 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: That's a lot of Hall of famers. There a Hall 146 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 2: of famers and yeah, and that's a future Hall of Famer. 147 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 3: And yet even with all of that under his belt, 148 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 3: leading the team again points rebounds, assists in the NBA Finals, 149 00:07:57,120 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 3: being the unquestioned best player out. Don't care what Jason 150 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 3: Kidd says on one of the most historically at least 151 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 3: statistically dominant teams in NBA history. And I can promise 152 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 3: you that for eighty to eighty five percent of our listeners, 153 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: this does absolutely nothing for them. If you had Jason Tatum, 154 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: like yourself, somewhere in the top five, he's probably staying 155 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 3: right there in the top five. He's not jumping ahead 156 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 3: of Luca, he's not jumping ahead of Yanis whatever. If 157 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 3: you had him somewhere in the top eight, he's probably 158 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 3: not jumping ahead of like Steph Curry or an Anthony Davis. 159 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 3: If you had him somewhere in the top ten, he's 160 00:08:37,960 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 3: probably not jumping ahead of Kawhi and Kevin Durant whatever. 161 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: Like Jason Tatum, it seems like he can't do anything 162 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 3: that's gonna get people to change the way they feel 163 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:48,559 Speaker 3: about him. 164 00:08:48,559 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 2: They're gonna hold. 165 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 3: Five, six, seven years of coming up just a little 166 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: bit short against him. Like everybody loves the new hotness. 167 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 3: Everybody's a big fan of Anthony Edwards and his his 168 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 3: cool commercials. 169 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 2: And I was keeping receipts for everybody when Jason. 170 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 3: Tatum was doing all of the Anthony Edwards shit four 171 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 3: or five years ago. Right, everybody loves SGA like he's 172 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 3: the new guy up and coming and oka see watch 173 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 3: out for them. 174 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 2: I'm almost positive that SGA is. 175 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 3: Only like one year younger than Jason Tatum. Jason Tatum, 176 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 3: Jason Tatum has been that guy for a really, really 177 00:09:26,360 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 3: long time, and now he caps off this incredible season 178 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 3: with a great performance in the clincher and wins the 179 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 3: NBA Championship, and everybody's kind of like, eh, cool, they 180 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: did what they were supposed to do. Like, I don't 181 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: know what else he has to do to get people 182 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 3: to understand what he's doing and what we're seeing from. 183 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: Him is historical? 184 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 3: Is it? 185 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 2: Because he doesn't have the bag like Kyrie. 186 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 3: Every which we'll get to him a little bit later. 187 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:58,839 Speaker 3: I mean, talk about not reading the room, is it? 188 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:02,560 Speaker 3: Because you know, he's not the dominant figure that Joel 189 00:10:02,640 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 3: Embiid is who can't ever get past the second round. 190 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 2: By the way, like, I don't understand. 191 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: I've racked my brain about this for hours before this 192 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 3: podcast started recording, and days and weeks even before that, 193 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:19,319 Speaker 3: during this playoff run. I do not understand why Jason 194 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 3: Tatum is not talked about and held in a higher 195 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 3: regard by most NBA basketball fans. I don't get it. 196 00:10:26,480 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 197 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 198 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 199 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: listen live. 200 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: Nothing makes sense, You're right. SGA's like Johnny come Lately 201 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, that there's an MVP award. I mean, 202 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 2: Celtics won the East by fourteen games fourteen, and all 203 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,079 Speaker 2: anybody could talk about was Jylen Brunson, who was phenomenal, 204 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 2: no doubt this season. Jaylen Bunson was great, But like 205 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 2: you'd think that the best player on the best team 206 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:00,439 Speaker 2: would get a little more love from the media. But 207 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 2: this comes back to the media likes to pick new guys. 208 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 2: They want to unearth the new guys. SGA's new Anthony 209 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 2: Edwards is new relative to the playoff game. Meanwhile, Tatum's 210 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 2: been knocking on the door for years and it's like, 211 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 2: I can't get it done. It's similar to Yokis. You 212 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 2: remember Jokic was like, oh, this guy, come on, he 213 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: can't win in the postseason. Well, he's never really had 214 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 2: Jamal Murray healthy. I don't know, are we giving him 215 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 2: the no, No, Yokiic, She's got to prove it. He 216 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 2: proves it last year and now Yokic is one of 217 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 2: the best players in the world. Tatum proved it. Wait, 218 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: he's not one of the best players in the world. 219 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. I don't want to be harsh. 220 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,920 Speaker 2: You guys don't have a huge Luca fan. I didn't 221 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 2: think Luca was better than Tatum in the series. I 222 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 2: thought Luca was selfish. He was a traffic cone on defense, 223 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 2: he was a turnover machine. I didn't think I mean, 224 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: I thought Luca was the best player on the court 225 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: heading into the series, but I didn't think Luca had 226 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 2: a better series than Tatum. And you know, it's not 227 00:11:57,240 --> 00:12:00,719 Speaker 2: like Luca's was shooting lights out. I mean he had 228 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 2: zero lift ont his threes. He hit twenty four percent 229 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 2: from deep, whereas Tatum was twenty six. Lucas shot forty 230 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 2: seven percent from the field fifty eight percent from the line. 231 00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: For all his great passing, Jason Tatum averaged more assists 232 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 2: in the series than Luca did. It's like, I mean, 233 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:21,240 Speaker 2: Luca was a bit of a turnover machine. I didn't 234 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 2: think he had a great series. Now obviously Kyrie was. 235 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 2: He was terrible, and the role players didn't. It didn't 236 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: come through. It felt like Dallas not quite back to 237 00:12:30,640 --> 00:12:35,080 Speaker 2: the drawing board. Maybe just a bad matchup. There are two, 238 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 2: one or two rotational pieces away from coming back here 239 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: next her and beating the Celtics. But it's gonna get 240 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: tough to get back here in the West. I don't know, 241 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 2: I just it kind of it stinks that an all 242 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 2: around nice guy like Tatum who isn't boisterous doesn't get 243 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,920 Speaker 2: in trouble off the court. Is not like an overall 244 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 2: social media potstir. You know, he does everything the right 245 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 2: way and he's just not getting the love that his 246 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 2: teammate Tatum does, or his teammate Jalen Brown does. I 247 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: feel bad for him, but you know, maybe he will 248 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 2: be a future Laker One day. I did see rob 249 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 2: He's eligible for a five year, three hundred and fifteen 250 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 2: million dollar contract. I did the math. That works out 251 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: to sixty three mill a year, and given eighty two games, 252 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 2: there's another player closing in on a million a game 253 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 2: for an NBA contract. I just staggering. Now. I'm not 254 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: saying he's not worth it, but the numbers are three 255 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: hundred and fifteen mili. This is like getting to Otani levels. 256 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:32,199 Speaker 1: No. 257 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know it's funny because Jason Tatum, you know, 258 00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 3: in about a year or two, was going to walk 259 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 3: by Patrick Mahomes in Dallas, you know when they have 260 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 3: the return matchup on Christmas Day or something like that, 261 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 3: and he's gonna be like, hey, you want to borrow some money, 262 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 3: you know because my home things. He's the big dog 263 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:50,719 Speaker 3: making fifty five million, six million dollars a year in 264 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: the NFL. He's like, oh, I make that, you know, 265 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: in three quarters of a season, and it's all guaranteed, 266 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: by the way, so I could tear my ACL tomorrow 267 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 3: and I'm still getting all that money. 268 00:13:58,280 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I. 269 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 3: Will say in all honesty that the hashtag future Laker 270 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:06,079 Speaker 3: Jason Tatum, you know I was, it took a hit 271 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 3: last night obviously because I told you the only way 272 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 3: that was realistically going to happen in his prime was 273 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 3: that they were never gonna get over the hump and 274 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,719 Speaker 3: Boston fans were going to turn on him the way 275 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 3: they turn on like Kyrie Irving and you know Isaiah 276 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 3: Thomas before that, and it was gonna lead to him 277 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: forcing a trade. Well, now that he's got the chip, 278 00:14:25,640 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 3: I imagine they're going to have a nice little two 279 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 3: to four year window that they're going to be very, 280 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 3: very very good. So we might have to settle for 281 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: getting old broke down Jason Tatum at like age thirty 282 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: two thirty three, but. 283 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 2: With the playoff biles on him. Yeah, I mean, it 284 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: might not be great for us, but we'll get him eventually. 285 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 2: For those wondering if the Celtics are going to repeat 286 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 2: their already favorites to repeat, I'm looking at the hoops 287 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,240 Speaker 2: hype salaries for next year. The only guys not coming 288 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 2: or not signed for next year are Luke Cornett, Xavier 289 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 2: Till and that's about it. Of the core guys, Horfords 290 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 2: and his walk his final year. Peyton Pritchard is signed 291 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: through twenty eight. Derek White is in his final year. 292 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: He's an interesting one because he's very valuable. But if 293 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: you look at like, finding another Drew Holliday extremely difficult 294 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 2: because he's like at the apex of defensive guards. Finding 295 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,480 Speaker 2: another porzingis also going to be difficult. Finding a Tatum 296 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 2: not going to happen. Finding another Jalen Brown difficult. The 297 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: one guy in that starting lineup who feels easily replaceable 298 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: is Derek White. And I don't mean easily because White 299 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: was very good in San Antonio, but you know, at 300 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 2: twenty million a year, he's probably going to get more 301 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: from someone else to be their number three, whereas he's 302 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 2: like a four on this team. And that's that's a 303 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 2: little tougher like Rob Could Austin Reeves be Derek White 304 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: here in the coming years? 305 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 3: No, why he's a I think he's a better offensive 306 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:02,600 Speaker 3: player than Derek White, but the defense he's provides is 307 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 3: what sets him apart. You'd have to find somebody who's 308 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 3: more like a three and D type Alex Cruiz. Alex 309 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 3: Caruso could be a better version of Derek White. 310 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 2: Huh. I don't know. I feel like White's length, but 311 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: it's possible. Caruso is good Anyways, I think the more 312 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 2: interesting angle before we get to the Celtics long term. 313 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:31,400 Speaker 2: I'm just curious MAVs next year, like this has to 314 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 2: be a little dispiriting. Luca kind of got his butt kicked. 315 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 2: Now the last time this happened where they lost to 316 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: Golden State in the playoffs. I think midway through the 317 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:45,920 Speaker 2: next season they added Kyrie Dallas. I'm assuming wants to 318 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 2: be all in. Here's the problem, Rob, A lot of 319 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: their guys are locked in. Tim Hardaway Junior is in 320 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 2: his final year coming up next season. PJ. Washington has 321 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 2: two more after the season. Gafford has two more. Max 322 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 2: he has two more. Lively Rookie Deal Well, Josh Green 323 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 2: has three more. They'll lose Mark, Keith Morris and Derek 324 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 2: Jones will be the big loss. But I'll be honest, 325 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 2: like as good as Derek Jones was, I think Josh 326 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 2: Green can can provide what he does. Josh Green at 327 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 2: a nice game. He's gotta be a little more consistent offensively. 328 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:18,880 Speaker 2: I don't think he's as good defensively, but I think 329 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: they really need Omax, the young kid out of Marquette. 330 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 2: Omax prosper to pop as like a long wing defender. 331 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: He is a prototypical Celtic. He is like Jalen Brown length, 332 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,520 Speaker 2: Derek White length. He just I don't think he can 333 00:17:33,560 --> 00:17:35,640 Speaker 2: give you the offense yet. I mean, he's a young kid. 334 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 2: I think he's like twenty twenty one. But I don't 335 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 2: think they're that far off. Rob and I don't think 336 00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 2: you're gonna run through their West like roughshod. But I 337 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: do think Dallas has a chance, a good chance to 338 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 2: get back to the finals. 339 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna pump the brakes a little bit on that one. 340 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 3: Oh and it's not that I don't like the Dallas Mavericks. 341 00:17:55,960 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 3: I actually really enjoy watching them play. I think Luka 342 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:02,320 Speaker 3: Doncia a savant. I think Kybrie irving on most nights, 343 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 3: at least not against Boston, is an extremely good player. 344 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 3: The problem for them, though, is until they get away 345 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 3: from being so Luka Doncic heavy and have a less 346 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: helio centric offense, I don't see them really breaking through 347 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,719 Speaker 3: and winning four rounds in the postseason. One of the 348 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:30,240 Speaker 3: reasons why I picked Dallas coming into these playoffs, or 349 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 3: in coming to this finals to upset Boston in seven, 350 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 3: which I famously flipped after Game two. 351 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 2: I'm not really proud of that one. 352 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 3: But one of the reasons why I picked him is 353 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 3: because it looked to me like Luca had turned the 354 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 3: corner coming into the finals. His usage rate in the 355 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 3: postseason was thirty one point nine percent, by far, the 356 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 3: lowest of his postseason career. His playoff career average was 357 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: thirty nine point four percent, and we saw how far 358 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 3: that got him, right like it was. I think the 359 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 3: furthest they got was swept out of the Western Conference 360 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 3: playoffs by Steph Curry. So I'm like, Okay, they figured 361 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 3: it out. They got to use Luca more sparingly. The 362 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 3: ball's got to have some pop to and it's got 363 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 3: to be flying around's got to be moving. Kyrie needs 364 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: to be getting involved, you know, running the offense. PJ 365 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 3: Washington at times in a mismatch, get him the ball 366 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,560 Speaker 3: in the block, something like that. You know, Jaden Hardy 367 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 3: and Spurts for whatever. You know, Josh Green and Spurts 368 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 3: for whatever. Let them do something for you know, a 369 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,719 Speaker 3: minute at a time. And then these NBA Finals happened, 370 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 3: and Boston decided, you know what, we're not gonna be 371 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 3: helping out. We're not gonna be double teaming. We're gonna 372 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,719 Speaker 3: play you straight up. You're gonna get yours. We understand that, 373 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 3: but we don't think that you by yourself is gonna 374 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:49,919 Speaker 3: be good enough to beat the five six of us 375 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 3: here in Boston, you know, counting out Horford. 376 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 2: And what did Luca do? He played right into it. 377 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,600 Speaker 3: His usage rate in the NBA Finals coming into Game five, 378 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 3: so you know it's gonna be increased even more with 379 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 3: the amount of you know much he had of the 380 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 3: ball in Game five because the stats i've been updated 381 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 3: yet as of this early morning, usage drate coming into 382 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 3: Game five was thirty eight and a half percent, ten 383 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 3: percent higher than the next closest guy, which was Kyrie Irving. 384 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 3: So Luca went right back to doing Luka Doncic things, dribble, dribble, dribble, isolation, 385 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:23,959 Speaker 3: pick and roll. I'm either gonna shoot it or I'm 386 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 3: gonna be the only guy who passes it and hope 387 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:27,439 Speaker 3: we get an open three out of it. 388 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 2: So what happens to that. 389 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:33,000 Speaker 3: It allows the defense to load up and limit opportunities 390 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 3: Number one and number two. It's the most important thing, 391 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: especially when you're out of shape like Luka doncic Is, 392 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 3: you have zero energy on the defensive end to do 393 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,600 Speaker 3: anything because you're carrying such a heavy load. There's a 394 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 3: reason why Lebron James couldn't really break through in Cleveland 395 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 3: all those years ago until he got a good running 396 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 3: mate and Kyrie you could take some of that offensive 397 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:55,960 Speaker 3: burden away from him. There's a reason why James Harden 398 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 3: never broke through in Houston. As good as those teams were. 399 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 3: It is extreme xdremely difficult to win when your whole 400 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 3: offense is built around one guy setting the table for 401 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 3: everybody else. And unless they're gonna make some changes, and 402 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 3: it's got to come from Luca first and foremost, that 403 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: you gotta willing to take a step back. I don't 404 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 3: know if this window for them is going to be 405 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 3: as open as everyone thinks it is, because they're gonna 406 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 3: have to fundamentally change what they do. 407 00:21:21,720 --> 00:21:25,280 Speaker 2: That seems a little dramatic, but I did look this up. 408 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 2: Luca Is he's got to be what the oldest twenty 409 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 2: five year old. He looks and maybe his body's just 410 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 2: the wear and tearing. Now he's gonna play in the Olympics, 411 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 2: and he doesn't move like he's twenty five. Right, You 412 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: look at the guy who're like, Okay, he's a little heavy, 413 00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 2: he's a little slow motion, he doesn't have that burst 414 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 2: to get to balls. He looks like a twenty nine 415 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: year old who's been in the playoffs ten straight years 416 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:51,959 Speaker 2: and he's still in his mid twenties. He just they 417 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:53,440 Speaker 2: ran into a buzza on Boston. 418 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 419 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports 420 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 1: Radio dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR 421 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: to listen live. 422 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: And that leads us to sixteen and three playoff run. 423 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 2: They won eighty Let's see, they won sixty four and 424 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 2: eighteen in the regular season, they went sixteen and three, 425 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 2: So they went eighty and twenty one, one hundred and 426 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,400 Speaker 2: one games and they won eighty. That's pretty freakin phenomenal. 427 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 2: And outside of a Game four collapse in Dallas where 428 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 2: they just got run out of the gym like it 429 00:22:33,040 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: took historic three point shooting nights from the heat and 430 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 2: I think the Cavs had a really good three point 431 00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: shooting night when they beat him in Game two, and 432 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: it was like other than that, no hiccups, and did 433 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,359 Speaker 2: a lot of it without Porzingis. I know I'm not 434 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 2: putting them in the twenty seventeen Warriors class. Obviously, they're 435 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:56,160 Speaker 2: not the ninety six ninety seven Bulls. I don't think 436 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 2: they're as dominant as the Shaq Kobe Lakers. But in 437 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 2: the next how could they not be? The numbers say it, 438 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: And this is the tricky part, the numbers. Whether you 439 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: want regular season playoff either one. I mean, this is 440 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: a team that had more fifty point wins than anybody 441 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:14,119 Speaker 2: in NBA history in the season. They had the most 442 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 2: twenty five point wins in NBA history in the season. 443 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: That is dominance, my friends. The problem is in the 444 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: high leverage spots. They didn't always pass the eye test. 445 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 2: Even in the third quarter last night, there was a 446 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 2: moment rob where it was like, okay, they're up, they're 447 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 2: down twenty one, it's over. And then Boston missed like 448 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 2: nine threes in a row. They just kept jacking and 449 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: slowly they chip away. Dallas chips away, Dallas chips away. 450 00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 2: Could this get interesting if Boston keeps missing threes. And 451 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 2: then at one point I think I think it was Tatum, 452 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 2: Oh no, it was Howser was like they're hugging me 453 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: up on the line. He had like a floater, and 454 00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: then Jalen Brown had a midti and then it was 455 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 2: back to nineteen. It was like, all right, it's over. 456 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 2: But the eye test they don't always pass because they 457 00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: jack so many threes. Last night they were e here 458 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: thirteen of thirty nine from deep, so under half their 459 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 2: shots were threes, which is a bit of change. They 460 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: usually go over fifty percent of their shots or threes. 461 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: It didn't shoot it great. Free throws were good, but 462 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 2: ultimately it's it's not like Dallas was a great offensive team. 463 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:20,439 Speaker 2: I mean, other than yeah, they scored over twenty one 464 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 2: points in one quarter. They got held under one hundred 465 00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,119 Speaker 2: and four or five games this series. Boston did it defensively. 466 00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 2: Boston's offense was a machine. I don't see how they 467 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:35,679 Speaker 2: can't be somewhere in the five to ten range of 468 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 2: teams all time. I mean, I'm sure obviously there's a 469 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 2: Magic Johnson Lakers team in there that's better. I don't 470 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,960 Speaker 2: know if there's this Larry Bird Celtics team that was better. 471 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 2: These Celtics peeled off what was it, nine or ten 472 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,200 Speaker 2: straight playoff wins. Tatum did some things thirty points, ten 473 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 2: plus assists. Larry Bird never did that. And I know 474 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 2: Celtics fans hate that because the Hayes giography of eighties players, 475 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 2: whether it's Bird, Magic Jordan, is like, come on, they 476 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 2: never missed a shot. Like Tatum's numbers were outstanding. The 477 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 2: Celtics numbers were tremendous. 478 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: So for me, you're. 479 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 2: Looking at like a notch below and all time great team. 480 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: For my money, they're better than any Spurs team I saw. 481 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,639 Speaker 2: I mean, now, maybe that's like old. The Spurs are boring. 482 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 2: They Spurs did have three Hall of Famers and Duncan 483 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: jenobileon Parker and then David Robinson as well. They had 484 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 2: a lot of guys. But Drew Holliday is a Hall 485 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 2: of Famer. Guys. I know, people are come on, no, 486 00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,119 Speaker 2: he's a Hall of Famer. He now has two chips 487 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: with two different teams. He's an Olympian. I mean, I 488 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: think he's a Hall of Famer. I think Brown and 489 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: Tatum are on that track. Horford is I don't know. 490 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if he gets in the Hall of Fame. Remever, 491 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 2: he had a really good run with Atlanta. Guys don't 492 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 2: dismiss al Horford. So this is a stacked team. It's 493 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 2: just tough for me to pinpoint all the seventy NBA 494 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:57,200 Speaker 2: champions or whatever the number is. The Celtics would rank nine, 495 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: Like I would say, they're probably because of the numbers, 496 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 2: a top ten all time team for me, Like, for instance, 497 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,960 Speaker 2: I think they're far superior to last year's Nuggets team. 498 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,160 Speaker 2: I don't even think it's close. Now, head to head, 499 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 2: would Denver beat them, Well, that's a different question than 500 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,719 Speaker 2: did Boston have that great of a postseason run? I 501 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: say yes. I mean I don't think Denver beat a 502 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,679 Speaker 2: fifty win team last year in the playoffs. Now, what 503 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 2: is fifty wins verse forty five? That's another discussion. But yeah, 504 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: I would say these Celtics probably the most dominant NBA 505 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 2: champ we've seen since those Warriors. I mean, I'm trying 506 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: to think rob so the Raptors were not dominant. They 507 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 2: were fortunate. Lakers bubble team was good, but not that dominant. 508 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: The twenty twenty two Warriors really good, but not I 509 00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,879 Speaker 2: mean not utterly dominant. The Bucks I did not. I 510 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: mean they trailed two against Phoenix, they were not. So yeah, 511 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:01,679 Speaker 2: I would say this is the most dominant NBA champ 512 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 2: since the Warriors from seventeen or eighteen. 513 00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,200 Speaker 3: This is a very loaded question because depending on how 514 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 3: I feel, you know, at the time of the day, 515 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 3: I could make the case that this is, you know, 516 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 3: one of the greatest teams in NBA history. And I 517 00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: can tell you, hey, of all of the NBA championship 518 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: teams in NBA history regular season and playoff combined win percentage, 519 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:35,320 Speaker 3: they are eleventh. Like they they are all time dominant. Finally, 520 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 3: there was eighty and twenty one. As you mentioned, their 521 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 3: point differential Okay, as a team, regular season in postseason, 522 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 3: including a thirty eight point loss in Game four, is 523 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 3: still the fifth highest in NBA history. Okay, ahead of 524 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 3: my Shaq Kobe Lakers, of every great Golden State team 525 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 3: saved for the first KD year, that was all time, 526 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,640 Speaker 3: you know, the one. We think it's the best team ever. 527 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 3: Like they're all the way up there. On the flip side, 528 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 3: if I want to say that they're overrated, Okay, if 529 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 3: I want to say that, you know, as Jason Tatum said, 530 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: you're probably gonna say, we didn't beat anybody to get here. 531 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 3: Of the last twenty five seasons for an NBA champion, 532 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:30,199 Speaker 3: the Boston Celtics combined regular season win percentage of their 533 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 3: opponents on their way to the championship was twentieth out 534 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 3: of twenty five. They beat the Heat, they beat the Calves, 535 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,280 Speaker 3: they beat the Pacers, they beat the MAVs. And that's 536 00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: not even factoring in that they beat the Heat without 537 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: Jimmy Butler. They beat the Calves without Donovan Mitchell. They 538 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 3: beat the Pacers without Tyre's Halliburton. So it's not looking 539 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 3: great for Boston if you want to make that argument. 540 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 3: I tend to think that they fall somewhere in the middle, because, 541 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,720 Speaker 3: like you said, if you're just looking at raw numbers, 542 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 3: it's hard to make a case against them. Their point 543 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 3: differentials the fourth highest in NBA history, right or fist 544 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,720 Speaker 3: to be fifth highest. That's because of that thirty eight 545 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 3: point silacking that they took on. You know that their 546 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 3: their net rating during the regular season was the third 547 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 3: best in NBA history, behind only the two Jordan Bulls teams. 548 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 3: Third best, third best, they became the first team in 549 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 3: NBA history when play by play existed. I think it's 550 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,280 Speaker 3: over like thirty years or so to have the best 551 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: team in the regular season net rating and the best 552 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 3: net rating in each of the first three rounds of 553 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 3: the playoffs. Obviously that's gonna go up again because the 554 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 3: final only two teams, so they'd be the only team 555 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 3: in the play by play era to have the best 556 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 3: net rating in the regular season, the first round, the 557 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 3: second round, the conference finals, and the finals. And yet 558 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 3: to your point, there's always something about them and the 559 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 3: way that they play and the fact that can go 560 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 3: to these cold stretches because they play such isovy basketball. 561 00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: Where you're not sure if you really trust them. 562 00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 3: You kind of get these moments where like, oh, they 563 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 3: might flumble it away again, like they you know, inexplicably 564 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,360 Speaker 3: do every single round of the playoffs. 565 00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 2: So I think that. 566 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:18,680 Speaker 3: They're somewhere between the best of the best all time 567 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,200 Speaker 3: and a very very good NBA champion. So I think, 568 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: like you said, somewhere in the top ten probably feels right. 569 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 2: I think what I think it kind of hurts them 570 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 2: that they jump to the three tozer elite and none 571 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 2: of the games are competitive or fun other than like, 572 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 2: you know, a few moments here and there when the 573 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 2: series isn't great and it's not memorable. It's like, this sucks. 574 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,680 Speaker 2: It's not fun for me. This just was not a 575 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 2: great finals. I wasn't super stoked for any of the 576 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 2: games after Game three three, well even even Game three 577 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: was just like eh, it was just the swings were 578 00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 2: so crazy. Game four stunk, and I thought largely Game 579 00:30:56,600 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: five was trash. But now we move on. The NBA 580 00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 2: Finals are done. We could get onto you know, how 581 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 2: quickly does JJ Reddick get the Lakers job? If not Reddick, whoa? 582 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: Then what you know? You got the NBA Draft next week. 583 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 2: By the way, did you guys know the NBA Draft 584 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 2: was two days? Somebody speculated to me that that was done. 585 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,480 Speaker 2: This is the first time it's ever been two days, 586 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 2: or maybe the first time in like forty years or whatever, 587 00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,400 Speaker 2: or they had like eight rounds that this was done. 588 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: Because Bronnie James is likely day two and he alone 589 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 2: will get people watching. I'll say this, Robin, We'll save 590 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,160 Speaker 2: it for you know, we got a bunch of podcasts 591 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: to do this week. This whole like Rick Carlisle saying oh, 592 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 2: Bronnie James is gonna be gone well before fifty five. 593 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 2: He probably won't even be there when we're drafting back 594 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,239 Speaker 2: to back at I think forty and forty one, and 595 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 2: you start to wonder, like, ooh, are are folks gonna 596 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 2: play some mind games with the Lakers and try to 597 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: get them to use their their top twenty pick on Bronnie, 598 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 2: And like if they don't and they don't get Bronnie, 599 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,760 Speaker 2: how pissed will lebron be? I mean, I don't think 600 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: he'd be more pissed enough to like take less from say, 601 00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 2: I don't know Dallas to play with his boy Kyrie. 602 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 2: I cannot imagine that. But it'll be interesting if somebody 603 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 2: swoops in and tries to grab Bronnie and play mind 604 00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 2: games with the Lakers and screw them everybody. You know, 605 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 2: most teams around the league don't want to trade with 606 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 2: the Lakers. They're not happy that everybody wants to go 607 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 2: to the Lakers. This is an opportunity to really screw 608 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 2: with some things. I can't tell Rob if you're laughing 609 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 2: or just like here we go again. I mean, can 610 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:38,080 Speaker 2: we get the coach first? 611 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: Right? 612 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 2: Can we land Reddick by the way, have you any 613 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 2: vibes on whether or not Reddick you think will be 614 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,120 Speaker 2: the guy or is there another mystery coach out there? 615 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 3: Well, I hate to put this out there again because 616 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,719 Speaker 3: you know my sources are my sauces as I call 617 00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,920 Speaker 3: him on Twitter. Have been burned already with the Dan 618 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 3: Hurley news that I talked about. But my sauce has 619 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 3: told me back on May thirteenth that JJ Reddick was 620 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 3: the coach. So they were burned with the Hurly situation, 621 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,200 Speaker 3: but hopefully they were right from the beginning. And I 622 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 3: just kind of let myself get caught up in the 623 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 3: moment for a second there. So I believe you get 624 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,800 Speaker 3: Reddick will be hired, if not by the time you 625 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,520 Speaker 3: listen to this podcast twenty four hours after that. 626 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 2: No, there's no way he's gonna be hired by the 627 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 2: time you listen to this on No shot depends. What 628 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: if you're a late riser in the West Coast and 629 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: you're listening and new there's no way he's gonna be hired. 630 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,040 Speaker 2: Come on, so they met with him over the weekend, 631 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 2: you think they'll lock him up? Like, I don't know. 632 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,480 Speaker 2: The more interesting will is the Donovan Mitchell situation because 633 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 2: as soon as the finals are over, I guess you know, 634 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,360 Speaker 2: the Cavs technically could have been waiting in his driveway today. Donovan, Hey, 635 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 2: here's that extension, baby, hook us up. And he's probably like, do, 636 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 2: who's our coach again? Oh, we don't have one yet, 637 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 2: bleep off Calves. Anyways, NBA's gonna be fun. We got 638 00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 2: some fun off season topics. Congrats to Celtics fans. You know, 639 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 2: usually i'd be vomiting over a Boston team winning the title, 640 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 2: but you guys don't. Tatum dude, I'm a Tatum Homer. 641 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 2: I don't know. I like him and his trainer was 642 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 2: on the pot I think two years ago. Really good 643 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 2: stuff handling. Yeah, I like Tatum. I'm happy for I'm 644 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 2: happy for Jaylen Brown. Jew Holiday now has two chips. 645 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 2: Life's good if you're a Boston sports fan. That's all 646 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,240 Speaker 2: for today. We'll talk to you tomorrow.