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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge presented by Draft Kings. Today we

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Speaker 1: have a special treat all right. So there are so

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Speaker 1: many like contributors to the Ravens content sphere it is

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Speaker 1: literally global, right, and today we have James Ogden of

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Speaker 1: the UK Ravens Podcast joining us to really break down

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Speaker 1: this wide receiver class and make sure you check out

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Speaker 1: his work not only at the UK Ravens Podcast, but

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Speaker 1: also his draft guide that you've done for how many

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Speaker 1: years now, James?

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Speaker 2: This is the second year's come out, third year of doing.

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Speaker 1: It, okay, so check that out on you can find

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Speaker 1: that he's pinned it to the top of his ex

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Speaker 1: profile at nfl Ogden. Thank you for joining us, James.

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Speaker 1: And he's from the UK coming over right now? Where

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Speaker 1: is it London?

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Speaker 3: Where are you from? Not?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm originally from Manchester. I live in Nottingham at

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Speaker 3: Okay, very cool.

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Speaker 2: See people can get past the accent when I'm talking.

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Speaker 1: For exactly and the crazy part is like you're here

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Speaker 1: in the flesh, this is this is not a zoom podcast.

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Speaker 1: Here in the flat come to Baltimore. So for start

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Speaker 1: out there, what brought you here to Baltimore?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we come over a lot. Me and my wife

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Speaker 2: out and here we are.

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Speaker 1: Just pretty awesome, pretty awesome. Well, I read your draft

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Speaker 1: guide and I was extremely impressed. And I listened to

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Speaker 1: you talking to Ken m cusick also about the Ravens

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Speaker 1: to check this dude out, like he knows his stuff.

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Speaker 1: And so big credit to my uncle for kind of

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Speaker 1: putting me on the right track. And I was just really,

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Speaker 1: you know, you kind of talk about how watching wide

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Speaker 1: really want to kind of get your take on which

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Speaker 1: guys fit the Ravens the best, right, And so to

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Speaker 1: start off, you know, if we're looking at the first rounds,

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Speaker 1: First of all, I think Mitchell's getting some attention as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mitchell's a funny guy for the Ravens. I think

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Speaker 2: I think the Ravens are looking for their DK metcalf

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Speaker 4: So I want to back it up just a little bit.

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Speaker 4: who was like the guy at wide receiver in your mind,

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Speaker 2: They're just some of them. I mean, I could talk

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Speaker 2: But I think that'd be a very, very still long shot.

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Speaker 1: It's a real long shot, or a trade up potentially,

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Speaker 3: A I know who you're talking about right.

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Speaker 2: Now because I said I'd take him at thirty. Again,

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Speaker 2: obviously went mad because you don't. You wouldn't if you're

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Speaker 4: Just to run through Ricky Piersoll's stats from last year

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so's there's those jump balls.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the explos the explosion shows up in the

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Speaker 2: That's the thing that's so sort of staggering with me.

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Speaker 5: Unfortunately, you should be his agent. You're selling you're so

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Speaker 1: Well, really get like in pen pretty much for the

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Speaker 3: A pretty good career.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would work.

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Speaker 4: So I'm curious about Lad McCaughey out of Georgia, just

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Speaker 3: Right, that's my thing.

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Speaker 1: It's like less than five hundred yards in college, Like now,

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Speaker 5: The pros, right, the year before was better.

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Speaker 4: He had fifty eight catches for seven hundred and sixty

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Speaker 5: That's just my question.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I'm just curious, like this is part of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's fair, it's a fair question. I think

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Speaker 1: I don't think Keon Coleman out of Florida State is

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Speaker 3: That's Keon Coleman, right, Yeah, So what do you think?

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Speaker 1: You know? Thirty seems a little rich. But if the

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Speaker 2: So I could talk about Kean Coleman all day because

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Speaker 2: I think he's a very good receiver. I think he's

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Speaker 3: And that was like Pooka and Nakua last year exactly.

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Speaker 3: With timing and the anticipation throughs.

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Speaker 4: Uh zeber Worthy out of Texas and at the Combine

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Speaker 2: have a Dashawn Jackson like plan for him, where you

436
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Speaker 2: kind of scheme him free releases, you get him in

437
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Speaker 2: motion at the snap. So there's going to have to

438
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Speaker 2: be things you do to get him to get him

439
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Speaker 2: to work. But so I think he breaks my golden

440
00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 2: rule of like too many things to fix, so don't

441
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,280
Speaker 2: get too high on him. He breaks my Traylon Burke's

442
00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 2: rule where was way too high on trail on books

443
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,120
Speaker 2: because he thought he all the potential in the world

444
00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 2: and was like, actually he had way too many things

445
00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 2: he needed to fix to be able to get there.

446
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,720
Speaker 2: So that's my thing with Worthy. But he's intriguing guy,

447
00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,280
Speaker 2: and I actually think probably talent wise, you probably are

448
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,120
Speaker 2: going to get teams who see him in the twenties

449
00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,879
Speaker 2: to thirties type right bracket, I think.

450
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Speaker 1: So I almost kind of want to see that happen

451
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 1: because I don't really like the fit for the Ravens,

452
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,960
Speaker 1: and to me, it just reminds me of John Ross,

453
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, here's another guy who

454
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Speaker 1: just like the forty blew the doors off the forty

455
00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:31,520
Speaker 1: and then obviously was just a bust for the Bengals, right,

456
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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying Worthy is definitely going to be that,

457
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Speaker 1: but like when I see that speed in the frame

458
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Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff, it just is reminiscent

459
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Speaker 1: for me. So like I almost want to see him

460
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Speaker 1: get drafted before thirty to like push another player down.

461
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Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, you push another player down?

462
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I think that we're going to take

463
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Speaker 1: him and I'm going to have to scrub this from

464
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Speaker 1: all from.

465
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Speaker 4: The ball, you know, or he's going to be a

466
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Speaker 4: like dynamic fro who just turns into Sean Jackson and

467
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Speaker 4: is hitting deep ball all the time.

468
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Speaker 5: You're gonna have to also scrub that.

469
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Speaker 3: From the archives. That's either way.

470
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Speaker 1: He says, like I don't like this player for the Ravens.

471
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,639
Speaker 1: He then also is like, but I think he's going

472
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Speaker 1: to be great. I think he's a great player for

473
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Speaker 1: somebody else. You always have to head your best, yeah,

474
00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:11,920
Speaker 1: smart season game.

475
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Speaker 4: It's like if it's like a breakup, we're not working out,

476
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,439
Speaker 4: but someone else is going to be very lucky to

477
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Speaker 4: get you.

478
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Speaker 2: It's funny though. It's one of the reasons why I

479
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 2: do the guide in the way that I do, because

480
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 2: the national media have to evaluate these guys from a

481
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Speaker 2: generic perspective. They have to talk about these guys, and

482
00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 2: actually the range of outcomes is really so much based

483
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Speaker 2: on team fit. As a I mean, I've got a

484
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Speaker 2: day job, and I'm like, I can't spend all my

485
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Speaker 2: time in the world doing as much as I'd love to.

486
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Speaker 2: But I you know, I'm able to as a Ravens

487
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Speaker 2: content creer, I'm able to look at it specifically from

488
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Speaker 2: a Ravens lens, and I think that that's really valuable

489
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Speaker 2: because the range of outcomes is very different depending on

490
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Speaker 2: where these guys go with it.

491
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Speaker 3: Totally, totally, so I'm curious.

492
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Speaker 1: You know, second round seems like a sweet spot for

493
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Speaker 1: the Ravens at wide receiver.

494
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Speaker 3: Second maybe third round seems like a good one.

495
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Speaker 1: I already talked about Xavier Leaguett, who I think could

496
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 1: fit there at Ricky Piersoll if he were to fall

497
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Speaker 1: to the Ravens in the second round, that seems like

498
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Speaker 1: a great pick. Also if it's not one of those guys,

499
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Speaker 1: because you know, I seely get sometimes at the end

500
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Speaker 1: of the third of the first round. I mean, like

501
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,320
Speaker 1: people are projecting him to the Chiefs in some MACKX,

502
00:22:21,119 --> 00:22:24,479
Speaker 1: who is your second round wide receiver for the Ravens

503
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Speaker 1: other than Pearsall, who I know you already would love

504
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Speaker 1: to take there.

505
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to be personal, hasn't it. So there's

506
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,920
Speaker 2: a few guys that I kind of like. I think so.

507
00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 2: So one guy who gets a lot of play on it,

508
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 2: I think he probably will be a second round pick.

509
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 2: It might be a little bit, he may be a

510
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,120
Speaker 2: little second third type is Javon baker Off, So he's

511
00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,159
Speaker 2: an intriguing guy. Another guy who I'm definitely predisposed to

512
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,760
Speaker 2: like because of the way he technically plays the position.

513
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 2: It's very he's very gifted. He has enough athletics HM

514
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:52,680
Speaker 2: to get by, but he's not going to blow pass guys.

515
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:56,439
Speaker 2: So he's an interesting guy that I think would be

516
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,240
Speaker 2: someone who sort of fits the Ravens in the sense

517
00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 2: that he's that he's like, he's like that Chris larvae

518
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 2: archetype of X which wide receiver. I think that that

519
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 2: could that could could sort of fit what the Ravens

520
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:11,080
Speaker 2: are looking for in terms of role. So he's he's

521
00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: an interesting guy. But the guy I kind of like

522
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 2: that sort of goes a bit under the radar because

523
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: he was probably I think he probably was the third

524
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 2: best receiver on his college team is Jayalen McMillan. And

525
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:25,640
Speaker 2: with Jayalen McMillan, you have to go back and watch

526
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: tape from two years ago because of the injury he had.

527
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 2: He had a sort of knee injury in his in

528
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: the year he came out and it lingered throughout the

529
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 2: season and it really affected his place. If you go

530
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 2: back and watch his sophomore tape, it's a different it's

531
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Speaker 2: a different thing. He's a guy who just you know,

532
00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 2: he's another one who has in North athleaticism. I think

533
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Speaker 2: he ran under a four or five at the at

534
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Speaker 2: the combine. But he's just I like the fit with

535
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,199
Speaker 2: the Ravens because of the way he separates with with

536
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: technique and processing, and I think we probably need to

537
00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 2: I think with the Ravens we probably need to get

538
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,719
Speaker 2: past that. I know I talked about the metcalf at

539
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 2: the start and that type, but I actually think we

540
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: might need to get past the basketball team analogy with

541
00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: the Ravens. For this offensive, you always have to build

542
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 2: a basketball team and wide receiver guys and Actually, I

543
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:12,960
Speaker 2: think this Ravens offense is just built different. They're looking

544
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 2: for guys with speed. They're also now increasingly looking for

545
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 2: guys with technique and great hands, and I think Jayalen

546
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: McMillan sort of fits that. And so he's a guy

547
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,879
Speaker 2: who maybe in the second round would be somebody'd focus on.

548
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,679
Speaker 2: But again, another guy who's maybe second third boardline are

549
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,440
Speaker 2: going to drop a little bit. And then the other

550
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 2: guy that you would probably talk about is jail and Polk.

551
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,200
Speaker 3: Who's the other Washington receiver.

552
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's exceptional, But I also think there are better

553
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: fits for him. The Ravens face a lot of zone coverage,

554
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: and Washington based a ridiculous amount of zone coverage last year.

555
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 2: He gets open really well on those those types of routes.

556
00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 2: But he would be a nightmare if he went somewhere

557
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 2: with the Chiefs where they run those those option routes,

558
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: because he gets open really well on those. But Munkin

559
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 2: has talked about giving a bit more rope to the

560
00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 2: receivers to kind of be creative and respond to what

561
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 2: the defense is seeing. So maybe he'd be a guy

562
00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:58,360
Speaker 2: who fits as well.

563
00:24:58,800 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 5: It's good.

564
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 4: So this is a question that you know, if you

565
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 4: if you nail this, you know, every NFL team is

566
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 4: looking to find this guy.

567
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 5: But we talked about Pookin Nakua. So we had Jeremiah

568
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 5: on the podcast a few weeks ago.

569
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Speaker 4: You just talked about how you can find receivers everywhere,

570
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 4: Like there's gonna be another Pukin Nakua in this draft.

571
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 5: Now maybe it's quite that good. Maybe not to.

572
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 4: That level, but like there's gonna be guys who are

573
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,439
Speaker 4: highly productive, who are mid to late round picks, you know,

574
00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 4: day three picks.

575
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 5: And so you know, I.

576
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Speaker 4: Think I think the Ravens will absolutely add a receiver

577
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 4: in this draft. I don't know that it's a guarantee

578
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 4: that it happens on the first two days, and so

579
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 4: maybe they try to go as.

580
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 5: A Day three pick. I think that's likely the case.

581
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:39,360
Speaker 4: But I think that if they wait because they don't

582
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 4: like how the board falls. And also now they're looking

583
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 4: in day three, is.

584
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 3: That fourth round pick they got from Mari Mosey.

585
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like fourth you're looking at. Nkua was a

586
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 4: fifth round pick last year. Again, that's like the exception

587
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 4: to the rule. But who is in that mix that

588
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,160
Speaker 4: has potential to kind of be those those big time

589
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 4: late round players who be productive.

590
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Speaker 2: So the first thing I say is Nakua is is

591
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: fool's gold. You're chasing him, chasing, especially if you're not

592
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,960
Speaker 2: Sean McVeigh, because I think the way they schemed that

593
00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,719
Speaker 2: they he was a great fit with the Rams anyway,

594
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: but they did a really good job of maximizing his talents.

595
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 4: So it's kind of like being like, we'll just get

596
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 4: a quarterback in the sixth round. He found Brady in

597
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 4: the sixth round.

598
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but so I think so there's there's two guys

599
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: I'm going to mention. The first one is Malique Washington,

600
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 2: but I don't think he's going to be a sophistic

601
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 2: round pick. I think you see it in the media

602
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: where he's not really talked about very much. I do

603
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,720
Speaker 2: think twenty teams will probably be higher on him. He's

604
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: a he's a really good he's great. The guy I

605
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 2: really want to talk about is Ania Smith, who is

606
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 2: not He's not Nua, you know he's but he's also

607
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 2: not a gadget type like most people will pigeonhole him

608
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:56,720
Speaker 2: as kind of a gadget type runner. So he played

609
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: for text A and M He just did everything in

610
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 2: that offense. They had him they had him run out

611
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 2: of the slot, they had him run the ball, they

612
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 2: had him run from the flanker position, from the backfield.

613
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: It was just it was crazy what they did with

614
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 2: him usage wise, and he's special. Like the I put

615
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: on the tape first of all with him and was

616
00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: watching him. I was like, Wow, why is this guy

617
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 2: not getting what? Like, you know, he's not anywhere on

618
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: my list, Like he's I don't understand why why he's

619
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 2: like he should be like second third round guy. And

620
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 2: then I find out he's he's got some serious character concerns.

621
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,000
Speaker 2: Is what character he's got too? I think it's two

622
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: d du Why's there's a bunch of stuff with him

623
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: off the field that teams are going to have to

624
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:40,400
Speaker 2: get you going to get close to and and understand that.

625
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:43,479
Speaker 2: But the talent there is is off the charts. He's

626
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 2: he's he would come into the Ravens as like a

627
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 2: like a souped up Devin Duvinate, Like it's going to

628
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 2: be totally different the way that you could run him

629
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: in so many different ways. It'd be like dun in

630
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,479
Speaker 2: that offense a couple of years ago when the when

631
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 2: it felt like we maximized Dounai as.

632
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:00,960
Speaker 3: Much as possible.

633
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,359
Speaker 2: But he's also Duvenai was always a linear guy, just

634
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 2: a straight line could come backwards and forwards as well,

635
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,679
Speaker 2: but he was linear, whereas any a Smith is just

636
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: he's explosive and he's fun to watch. Interesting, So he'd

637
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 2: be a guy I think that would be. Yeah, I

638
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: think he'd be interesting. We can fit with the Ravens

639
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 2: as well, but he would be the guy I sort

640
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: of hang my haunt and say, if if the off

641
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 2: field stuff is okay, then he's going to be later

642
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: around pick and someone's going to get a steal.

643
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: Well, I do think, you know, the Ravens sunning Hardy,

644
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: you know, kind of the Hardy changes things a little

645
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: bit in terms of what you're looking for.

646
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 3: If you're if you're going.

647
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 1: To draft two receivers, what that or even just one,

648
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: what that guy looks like. It's not maybe so much

649
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 1: of the returner experience, the gadget guy, that Duverney that

650
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: you lost with Don Leaving.

651
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, And I think any Smith can

652
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 2: be more than that. I think is the thing you

653
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Speaker 2: start you start him out in that role. But I

654
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Speaker 2: think he can play full time receiver sort of long term,

655
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Speaker 2: probably as as a flanker, as the option or out

656
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Speaker 2: of the slot. So I think there's a there's a

657
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Speaker 2: pathway for him there to develop where he's got a

658
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 2: much higher ceiling than just a punt return gadget type guy.

659
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Speaker 2: Like you start him there, but I think eventually he

660
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Speaker 2: develops into a guy that is a really really exciting

661
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Speaker 2: weapon for an offense.

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Speaker 3: Just a cup more for me.

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Speaker 1: Can you explain to the layman out there what you

664
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Speaker 1: really are talking about when you're talking about as traditional

665
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Speaker 1: X receiver that you think the Ravens won an X

666
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Speaker 1: to THEE to folks who don't break down film and

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Speaker 1: know it with that much nuance, Like, what are what

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Speaker 1: do you think the qualities are that the Ravens are

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Speaker 1: looking for?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really the types of route that they're running.

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Speaker 2: It's not necessarily the profile. Like you can see a

672
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 2: guy like DK Metcalf, he's running a who's who's going

673
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 2: to be, you know, running deep go routes and he's

674
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: also going to be running hitches and comebacks and that's

675
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Speaker 2: most of his routree. But he does do some other

676
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Speaker 2: stuff too. But next gen stats is a great thing

677
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Speaker 2: to go and go knock on next Gen Stats and

678
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Speaker 2: DK Metcalf's routree and you can see like the heat

679
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 2: map of where he runs his routes, and that's exactly

680
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Speaker 2: what he does. But you don't have to have the

681
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Speaker 2: ex player X receiver like that. It depends on the

682
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Speaker 2: offense you're running and the way you want them to succeed.

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Speaker 2: So Chris A Larva is a great example of an

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Speaker 2: X who you know specializes on those vertical cut routes,

685
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Speaker 2: which are the ones where you're sort of running the

686
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 2: posting corners basically where you're sticking your foot in the ground.

687
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Speaker 2: You're using what's called a BAM step to term, so

688
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,479
Speaker 2: you're you're sort of using your elbow to turn your body.

689
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 2: Your posture is good, you're able to get the DB's

690
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: hips turn the wrong way. And when you're running in

691
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Speaker 2: an offense like the Saints, run a Larvae can be

692
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Speaker 2: your X because you don't need a dominant guy who

693
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Speaker 2: can go up and get contested catches. That that's not

694
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Speaker 2: what an X necessarily has to be, So it depends

695
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Speaker 2: what type of X the Ravens are looking for. But

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00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 2: it's more about the routes they run. The focus of

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00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 2: the offense is is he the number one read you know,

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00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 2: it's that type of thing that you're that you're looking for.

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Speaker 4: Really, I think the last question for me is actually

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Speaker 4: not a draft question, but it's about a guy who's

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Speaker 4: already on the roster, and that's for Sean Bateman.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah too. I mean he's been their ax.

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00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 4: He's and so he's you know, obviously last year he

704
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: was more productive. You know, he's been hurt, you know,

705
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 4: so like last year he was, he was he was

706
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 4: healthy over the course of the year, but not as

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Speaker 4: productive as he would like. And of course the ray

708
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 4: was like, but I think the hope is here is

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Speaker 4: that you take that to the next level and with

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00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 4: him and say you feel pretty good. You know, those

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00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 4: two guys can stay healthy. What is your take on Bateman,

712
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: how he how he fits. There's a ton of stuff.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you've looked at it. It shows that he's

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00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 4: getting open a lot. And so what is your projection

715
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Speaker 4: for for a shot for this year?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I was always ready high on Bateman. I was high

718
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 2: on him coming out in Minnesota. I think he's he

719
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 2: thinks he's a guy you can definitely take a leap.

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00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: The nerd in me is is like kicking me in

721
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: the brain. Come on, like it's it's going to be

722
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: a third year breakout. And it's kind of of rare

723
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 2: that you see a receiver come into the league and

724
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Speaker 2: then have sustained success after a couple of years of challenging,

725
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: challenging production. Obviously a lot of it was down to injuries,

726
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: but he is a good separator and he's another guy

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00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 2: that we've talked about with the way he separates with

728
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: a technique and processing that's really good. I do think

729
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 2: he fits that the the the offense, like Lamar likes

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Speaker 2: guys you get get open, and he does get open

731
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: like and so I sound was really simplistic, but that's

732
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: the type of target that that Lamar likes. So there's

733
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: definitely something there. And I feel like this, this is

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Speaker 2: why this whole conversation is is framed by the fact

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Speaker 2: that the Ravens might not take a first or second

736
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Speaker 2: round guy because you've got Bateman in there, and they

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Speaker 2: may believe in his ability to to realize his potential.

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Speaker 2: And I also think the Ravens seem to have started

739
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: to a few years ago when I sort of wanted

740
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: to look into like why the Rams have been so

741
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,720
Speaker 2: bad drafting receivers over the years. For me, all it

742
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: looked all it looked like, really was when you look

743
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: at the teams that were good at drafting receivers, they

744
00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: just took more swings. And Da Costa talked about that

745
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 2: when he first sort of took the job, and they

746
00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,840
Speaker 2: have taken mus swings, and I think Bateman is one

747
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 2: of those swings that they've taken, and they should probably

748
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 2: give him the chance to sort of ride it out

749
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Speaker 2: and develop, and then you get the chance to address

750
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Speaker 2: some of the other holes on the roster in the draft.

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Speaker 2: But it'll be interesting. The challenge is I think they

752
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: try and match up their needs with the strengths of drafts.

753
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 2: And you know, if I think he's a breakout candidate,

754
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 2: but I've been really high on him for years and

755
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: the sort of, like I said, the metrics sort of

756
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: tell you maybe he's not gonna be.

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Speaker 3: Right right, all right, So I'm gonna put you on

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Speaker 3: the spot.

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Speaker 1: Last question here the Ravens are drafting, which receiver were

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Speaker 1: If you nail this.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna tag you on social media all over the place.

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Speaker 3: He called it. You know, which guy do you think

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Speaker 3: is the most likely that the Ravens will draft.

764
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Speaker 2: He's thinking it's got to be, it's got to it's

765
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Speaker 2: got to be in the second round, I think because

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Speaker 2: I just cannot I cannot see them moving away from

767
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 2: from offensive line. And I think the challenge for me

768
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: is that the guy would look for them to draft.

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Speaker 2: Obviously he's Piersol, but I'm not sure. I think the

770
00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 2: league's gonna like him a bit more than the national

771
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: media seems to be. You can tell him, I'm I'm

772
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: chilling for time here. I think if I'm gonna put

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Speaker 2: a planet flag on the ground now, I think he's

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Speaker 2: probably gonna it would probably be a gat that would

775
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 2: be the most at this point.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, he seems the one.

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Speaker 4: He seems to be the one that there's a lot

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Speaker 4: of just buzz and interest in. You know, you can

779
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:41,400
Speaker 4: only take whatever fans on Twitter for. You have to

780
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Speaker 4: take it for what it is. You know, it's just

781
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Speaker 4: fan chatter. But I think that there seems to be

782
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: interested excitement in him. So I think Funny needs to

783
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Speaker 4: be happy if he's the pick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, and it seems like it's a good marriage of

786
00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: fit you know player and where he's going to land

787
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Speaker 1: in the draft, right like value you know Eric the Cassa.

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00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: He and I see value the same way, always looking

789
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Speaker 1: for a bargain.

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Speaker 5: Eric, Eric has some good stuff.

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Speaker 3: You just take the craft.

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00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:08,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, is it free?

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Speaker 3: I'll take it.

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00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 5: Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way in the draft.

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Speaker 2: I think look at it's fine. Like I said before,

796
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 2: if you know, if you understand what you're getting with,

797
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,439
Speaker 2: look at which is there is potential there and he's

798
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 2: gonna win early on certain types of routes, but you're

799
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: gonna have to be patient with him on other things.

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Speaker 2: Then fine, I'm I'm on board with that.

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00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 3: Right right right? Cool? Well, James, thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for joining us listeners out there.

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Speaker 1: Check out his draft guide you can find it on

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00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: his x profile at nfl ogden. And make sure you're

805
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: listening to the UK Ravens podcast, which are big supporters

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00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 1: of We've appeared on ourselves. It's a great podcast to

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00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: make sure you're listening to that as well.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much, James, No problem, Thanks guys.

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Speaker 5: Awesome