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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In the last hours, the body of a beautiful little girl, Audrey,

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Speaker 2: just eleven years old, has been pulled af from under

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Speaker 2: a bridge in a Texas river. Heads are gonna roll.

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious

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Speaker 2: XM one eleven.

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Speaker 3: First of all, take a listen to this.

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Speaker 4: At this time, I sadly announced that Audrey's body was

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Speaker 4: located at the Trinity River on the US Highway fifty nine.

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Speaker 4: As a result of today's developments, I will just continue

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Speaker 4: you the Amber Alert for Audrey, and I want to

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Speaker 4: thank DPS Department of Public Safety for all their help

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Speaker 4: in this alert. The information that we have gathered in

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Speaker 4: this criminal investigation is substantial. My heart aches with this news,

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Speaker 4: and I expressed with my deepest sympathies and condolences to

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Speaker 4: everyone who knew, who cared for and loved Audrey. The

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Speaker 4: Sheriff's office. We will continue to process the evidence that

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Speaker 4: has been gathered to ensure that the justice for Audrey.

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Speaker 2: And you can hear the Polk County Shriff Byron Lion's

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Speaker 2: voice cracking after he and his whole team volunteers, you

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Speaker 2: name it tried to find Audrey alive. That did not happen.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to what else share of Byron Allions

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Speaker 2: has to say.

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Speaker 4: Thank you to Trinity River Authority following the water levels

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Speaker 4: so that the divers could reach the area, could reach

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Speaker 4: areas of interest. Due to the lower we were able

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Speaker 4: to contact tra Trinda River Authority. They slowed down the

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Speaker 4: outflow from the reservoir and it allowed the water to

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Speaker 4: go down and her body was discovered. They're in the water.

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Speaker 4: But I'm not gonna say whether it was Harris County

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Speaker 4: or Montgomery County or equo search. It was a conglomeration

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Speaker 4: of a lot of love and law enforcement networking together

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Speaker 4: that him discovered her.

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Speaker 2: I've done a lot of dive searches, but never have

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Speaker 2: I seen the water actually lowered in the body of

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Speaker 2: water in order to find a body. For those of

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Speaker 2: you just joining us, the body of an eleven year

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Speaker 2: old girl, Audrey Cunningham has been found.

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Speaker 3: Joining me in all.

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Speaker 2: Star peneal to make sense of what we know now,

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Speaker 2: including a man that predicted the defendant would attack again.

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Speaker 2: After the defendant attacked him, did he go to town Hell? No,

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Speaker 2: that's why he was out to murder Audrey. Yeah, that

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Speaker 2: victim joining us, But first to Bob Price, joining us

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Speaker 2: Associate editor, senior news contributor. You can find it at

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Speaker 2: Breitbart dot com. Bob, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Tell me about the discovery of this child.

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, thank you for having me on to discuss

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Speaker 5: this horrific situation. So Sheriff Lines announced yesterday that they

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Speaker 5: had recovered the body of this eleven year old and

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Speaker 5: a little girl. Just an absolutely tragic event. Yesterday on

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Speaker 5: your show, you discussed that the sheriff had taken mister

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Speaker 5: McDougall around various places he had been that day. One

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Speaker 5: of the places that he took the Sheriff's department to

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Speaker 5: was that bridge where they found Audrey's body near one

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Speaker 5: of the bridge pillars underneath the bridge.

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Speaker 3: Stop right there, Bob Price.

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Speaker 2: Number one, you think I believe thing that POC says,

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Speaker 2: technical legal term, piece of crap. One thing he says,

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Speaker 2: he's going to twist us every way he can to

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Speaker 2: his benefit. Hey, Bob Price, when he was driving the

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Speaker 2: police arounded, he say, oh, yeah, that's where I put

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Speaker 5: So what the sheriff explained is that he just took

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Speaker 5: them to places that he said he had been that day,

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Speaker 5: kind of accounting for your time, so to speak.

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Speaker 2: Bob, is it true this guy backed into a tree

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Speaker 2: and left and identifying mark from his bumper on the

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Speaker 2: girl's body. I think that's how they figured it out.

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Speaker 2: They find the backpack, they see that in mark on

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Speaker 2: a tree, and they know, well.

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Speaker 6: This is the place where the body was found.

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Speaker 5: Is about five miles down the river from where the

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Speaker 5: backpack was found. But yes, he reportedly did strike a

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Speaker 5: tree with his suburban and they were able to match

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Speaker 5: both what I've been told tire tracks and his bumper

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Speaker 5: marks to that location where the backpack was found. And

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Speaker 5: then the body was found lower down the river and

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Speaker 5: the currents moving very swiftly there. This is just below

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Speaker 5: of water. The current's been flowing rapidly, and that's why

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Speaker 5: they were able to lower the level of the lake,

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Speaker 5: where they suspected her body would be end sure enough,

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Speaker 5: they've found us there. I asked Sheriff Lions yesterday if

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Speaker 5: there was any evidence that the body had been weighted

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Speaker 5: would stay underwater, and he declined to answer. That commed

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Speaker 5: he did not say no, which I would think he

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Speaker 5: would say no if that wasn't the case, but he

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Speaker 2: Can I ask you something, Bob Price, what is so

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Speaker 2: unique about his bumper that does he have a hitch

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure exactly how they matched that. It could

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Speaker 5: mean that there was maybe evidence of the tree on

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Speaker 2: I'm looking at it right now. There's got to be

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Speaker 2: something unique about that bumper. Maybe there's some paint on

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Speaker 2: the tree that will match up. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: you can forensically identify a type of paint from a

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Speaker 2: car and trace it to the year, the model, the

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Speaker 2: make the works, and then go back to his vehicle

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Speaker 2: and find, if you take the time, forensic evidence of

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Speaker 2: tree residue on the bumper. That said, joining me now

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Speaker 2: in addition to Bob Price, Associate editor, senior news contributor Breitbart,

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Speaker 2: longtime friend and colleague, the gold Standard, Mark Class is

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Speaker 2: joining me. Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation at

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Speaker 2: class kids dot org, has devoted his life to finding

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Speaker 2: missing children after his beautiful daughter Polly was kidnapped and murdered.

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Speaker 2: Made that perp rot in hell Mark Class. Just so

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Speaker 2: many thoughts colliding in my head right now, because when

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Speaker 2: Bob Price, our investigative reporter joined is speaking, he's talking

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Speaker 2: about the currents and the cold water and her body

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Speaker 2: under a bridge. All I can think about is this

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Speaker 2: little girl's body going along with the current dead, probably

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Speaker 2: face down in that cold, cold water, till it lodged

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Speaker 2: under a bridge. An eleven year old girl, Mark Class

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Speaker 2: let it rip pullis Nantcy.

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Speaker 7: Before he lord her body or tossed her body into

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Speaker 7: the river, he expos exposed this child to the worst

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Speaker 7: possible nightmare that anyone could even envision. I mean, she

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Speaker 7: was she was taken to this place, she was murdered

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Speaker 7: by this guy. She was most likely sexually assaulted by

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Speaker 7: this guy, and he went on with his day after this.

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Speaker 7: This is a guy that has a criminal history, somebody

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Speaker 7: that is known to have caused harm, yet he was

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Speaker 7: given access to this child. I don't understand this dynamic

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Speaker 7: at all. I don't understand what the priorities were with

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Speaker 7: access to then commit the horrendous and dastardly deeds that

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Speaker 6: It's absolutely obscene.

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Speaker 3: Hey, who's the speaking?

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Speaker 7: It is obscene?

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Speaker 5: That was Bob.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, hey, Bob, Bob Bryce.

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Speaker 2: I was just about to go to you, Bob Pryce,

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Speaker 2: investigative reporter joining us from Breitbart, Bob something, and I

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Speaker 2: want to go back to Mark class on this, but

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Speaker 2: Bob Price, Yes, No. Isn't it true that the defendant

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Speaker 2: in this case, Don Stephen mcdougle, aged forty two, was

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Speaker 2: spotted at a gas station around nine am and at

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Speaker 3: He did not have Audrey with him. Is that correct?

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Speaker 7: Yes?

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Speaker 5: Video evidence has proven that up to be true. According

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Speaker 5: to what we've heard, it's just absolutely obscene that this

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Speaker 5: at any time. This father is very evident. The man's

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Speaker 5: covered with neo Nazi tattoos, Arian Brotherhood tattoos ss.

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Speaker 2: A Nazi swastika for Pete's sake, Yes, all of these

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Speaker 2: ab Arian brotherhood.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's like a does a.

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Speaker 2: Piano have to fall on your head to know this

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Speaker 3: Stay away from him.

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Speaker 2: And I'm following up, Bob, I thank you for confirming that,

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Speaker 2: Mark Klass. You said this and chills, arms and legs.

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Speaker 2: He just went on about his day like nothing had happened.

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Speaker 3: There he is filling up with gas after he's been.

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Speaker 2: Driving around and around and around with this girl's body,

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Speaker 2: probably in the car to find a place to dump

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Speaker 3: And look, he's a sex offender.

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Speaker 2: He's already pled guilty to trying to have sex, taking

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Speaker 2: the underwear and the pj's off a little.

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Speaker 3: Girl, getting in bed with her. How did he get

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Speaker 8: Nancy? And he showed up at a donut shop across

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Speaker 8: from the courthouse, which is a mile from the jail

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Speaker 8: the next morning. Talk about nonchalant.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Mark Klass, what you said just before Lana jumped in.

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Speaker 2: Hey guys, Lana Shadwick, high profile lawyer out of Texas

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Speaker 2: dot Com also at it as She's right, Mark class.

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Speaker 2: The guy didn't just go for gas. He was propped

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Speaker 2: disposed of an eleven year old girl's body in that

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Speaker 2: cold water Mark class, Well, this man.

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Speaker 7: Has absolutely no value for any life other than his owner.

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Speaker 7: He wouldn't have been able to do that. His conscience

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Speaker 7: would have stopped him. He has no conscience. He's just

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Speaker 7: a killing machine who, for some inexplicable reason, was out

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Speaker 7: and about with an eleven year old girl. I don't

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Speaker 7: know what anybody was actually expecting the results of this

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Speaker 7: union to be. But my god, I'm my god. If

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Speaker 7: you could only turn back time.

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Speaker 9: And talk about detached.

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Speaker 8: He goes to a donut shop, which.

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Speaker 9: Is right across from the courthouse.

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Speaker 8: You can throw a ball and hit the judge's window.

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Speaker 8: I mean, it's down the street from the jail. What

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Speaker 8: kind of narcissist or detached individual is this? You're gonna

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Speaker 8: go downtown where the cops are.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I just violated every rule to be a good

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Speaker 2: trial lawyer. I placed myself in this by thinking in

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Speaker 2: my own children, Mark Class. I really don't know how

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Speaker 2: you even move forward. All I can think about is

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Speaker 2: my girl. I mean, a convicted sex offender who was

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Speaker 2: allowed to plean down his case where he attacked another

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Speaker 2: little girl in her bed. He had access to her

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Speaker 2: home too. Was think about these similarities like a fingerprint.

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: In addition to attacking Elick Bryan who is with us

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Speaker 2: Elick Bryant the third I believe, with a knife. Now this, ma'am,

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Speaker 2: why was he allowed to be around eleven year old Audrey?

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Speaker 2: And he's out having a donut Mark Klass, a donut.

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Speaker 3: He's pumping his gas after driving.

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Speaker 2: Don't you know he went in all these circuitous routes

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Speaker 2: trying to figure out where to hide this girl's body,

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Speaker 2: this little eleven year old girl with that big smile,

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Speaker 7: Know what even to say about something like this, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: I've spent my life trying to keep people like this

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Speaker 2: Have you looked at this guy's tattoos. I'm not trashing tattoos,

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Speaker 2: You might as well walk down Third Avenue in New

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Speaker 3: He's proud of it. Jump in.

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Speaker 6: He's walking billboard for the penitentiary system. If we you know,

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Speaker 2: Guess what I'm holding in my hand right now, guys,

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Speaker 3: Theft keeps ongoing and meth.

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Speaker 2: Now he's onto meth and they say Pot's not a

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Speaker 3: Two thousand and seven, enticing child.

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Speaker 2: There you go, There you go, that should have been

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Speaker 2: a child molesstation Church felony, more aggravated assault, unauthorized use

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Speaker 2: just a moment. Why am I reading the wrap sheet?

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Speaker 2: I have a victim with me right now. Elick Brian

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Speaker 2: the third, who was assaulted by this perv don Steve

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Speaker 3: Elec Brian the third, what happened?

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Speaker 10: Well, he started working at the place I was at,

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Speaker 2: Well well, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, Eleck Brian the third,

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Speaker 2: what kind of comment did he make to a woman?

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Speaker 10: Oh, he was basically he was grabbing her and hitting

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Speaker 3: Have sex with her.

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Speaker 10: Pretty much, Yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 3: Did he touch any of her private parts? Grabbereran touch

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Speaker 10: He was just talking. I don't know if he's where

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Speaker 10: But she had come out and said that he was

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Speaker 2: Sure he is, I want to have sex with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure he says something along lines of I want

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Speaker 2: Ellie Brian the third. And this is in a public

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Speaker 10: This was at my house.

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Speaker 2: If he would do that in front of grown men

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Speaker 2: an eleven year old little girl all alone in his suv.

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Speaker 3: Or all alone in her home and herself.

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Speaker 2: She couldn't defend herself. And in her mind, this is

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Speaker 2: it together. Okay, what how do you know this? Please

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Speaker 10: There is a Facebook page called Justice for Audrey Cunningham,

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Speaker 3: To you getting attacked.

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Speaker 2: So the woman comes out and says, this guy is

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Speaker 10: Then what happens, Well, her husband tries to fight him,

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Speaker 2: You don't, right, the husband better try to fight him.

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Speaker 2: If David Lynch didn't punch the daylights out of him,

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Speaker 2: if it were me, we'll be looking at a divorce

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Speaker 3: You break it up, and then what happens.

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Speaker 10: Well, you basically just I just forced him out of

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Speaker 10: know he's beingligerent with me at this time, and I

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Speaker 7: It's him.

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Speaker 10: He has a knife and he stab it at my

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Speaker 3: Then what happened.

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Speaker 10: I grabbed my shotgun and I open up the front

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Speaker 2: He came at you with a knife, yes, ma'am, Then

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Speaker 10: Like I said, I hit him in the face with

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Speaker 2: Well, so far, you're the only one that has gotten

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Speaker 3: Guys with me.

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Speaker 2: Renowned chief medical examiner Terren County lecturer Texas Christian University

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Speaker 2: Medical School has performed literally thousands of autopsies. Doctor Crowns,

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Speaker 2: good news, if there is any good news right now. Forensically,

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Speaker 11: The cold water will slow down the decompositional process, so

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Speaker 2: Doctor Kennel Crowns, you perform so many autopsies. When you

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Speaker 2: see a child like Audrey laying there on your autopsy table,

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Are you like me?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes I don't know whether to cry or be angry

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Speaker 3: How do you do it?

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Speaker 11: There's always an emotional component with children, but you have

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Speaker 11: You're here to catch those people that have cause this death,

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Speaker 11: or for that matter, to exonerate people that have been

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Speaker 2: Ellie Brian the third who was assaulted by this same

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Speaker 2: the brutal murder, and I guarantee you the rape of

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Speaker 3: In daddy's backyard.

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Speaker 2: You are quoted saying that he came back to your

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Speaker 2: involved in Audrey's disappearance.

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Speaker 3: Why do you say that?

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Speaker 7: Not at all?

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Speaker 10: Because just a couple of years ago I saw it

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Speaker 2: Dear Lord in Heaven, swow it down, Ab the third,

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Speaker 2: What did you just say?

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Speaker 10: Somebody had posted on Facebook about him, a picture of

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Speaker 3: Mark Class. Does it never end with this guy?

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Speaker 7: Well, I think that's an important point. I mean, this

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Speaker 7: gastardly horrible things his entire life. And exactly where does

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Speaker 7: this guy has done how many years, over twenty years

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Speaker 7: And who is he? He's daddy's friend, you know what, Nancy.

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Speaker 7: He's daddy's friend until he isn't daddy's friend. He's daddy's

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Speaker 7: Why is this guy even existing? Why is this guy

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Speaker 3: I'm about to go to our shrink.

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Speaker 2: Karen ll start joining us out on New York renowned

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Speaker 2: TV radio. Trump expert and consultant, But Atlanta Shadwick set

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Speaker 2: it up for me. Here is a guy with this

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Speaker 2: long record. You are a prosecutor, you're a judge. Now

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Speaker 2: you're a high profile lawyer in this jurisdiction, Livingston, Texas.

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Speaker 2: You know what, every time I would get a case,

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Speaker 2: it could be a car theft, it could be a

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Speaker 2: nickel bag, it could be in any number of things.

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Speaker 2: And if I saw the defendant had a gun, all

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Speaker 2: I could think about was my fiancee Keith, getting murdered,

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Speaker 2: and I would insist on jail time every.

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Speaker 3: Time I could get it. Why in the h E

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Speaker 3: double l with this.

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Speaker 2: Guy crawled into a little girl's bed and wrestled off

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Speaker 2: her pajamas and her underwear. Why did he get a

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Speaker 2: cheap play and walk out free, walk out free.

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Speaker 8: I don't know what they do in Brisooria County, but

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Speaker 8: that won't fly in Pole County in East Texas. Just

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Speaker 3: And another thing there he is.

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Speaker 2: I have to find out from Elick Bryan the third

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Speaker 2: that this guy is in sending lud, which means his penis.

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Speaker 2: That's what that means, pictures to her daughters on Facebook.

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Speaker 2: He's not even trying to hide it for Peinte's sake,

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Speaker 2: that he's never prosecuted. I'm just hearing about that in

446
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Speaker 2: the first time right now, Leanna Well.

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Speaker 8: And not only that there was a stabbing in August

448
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Speaker 8: that he was being held on since I guess Friday

449
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Speaker 8: with regard to an aggravated assault with a deadly whimp,

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Speaker 8: that's a clue in Texas. That's what we call a clue.

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Speaker 3: That's what I call a similar transaction.

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Speaker 2: David Stanley, Yes, yes, yes, yes, Okay, Karen Stark, I've

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Speaker 2: set it up for you with me as a psychologist.

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Speaker 2: Karen Stark at Karenstark dot com. That's Karen with a

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Speaker 2: CEA in case you need her. Karen number one, Who

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Speaker 2: is this guy? Except I hope about to enter death row?

457
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Speaker 2: But who are these people that kept letting him off

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Speaker 2: over and over and over.

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Speaker 12: It's impossible to understand how he was able to get

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Speaker 12: away with this. It just doesn't make any sense. He

461
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Speaker 12: is a psychopath. There was no surprise at all that

462
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Speaker 12: he was out there and committing these crimes and after

463
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Speaker 12: young girls. And he's a walking advertisement with those tattoos.

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Speaker 12: He's telling you.

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Speaker 3: Who he is.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I know all that, no offense, Karen, Sorry, I

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Speaker 2: know all that. I can see all that. I'm asking

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Speaker 2: you what is he psychologically?

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Speaker 3: Who is he?

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Speaker 2: And how is he managed to sharp people to let

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Speaker 2: him into their lives?

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Speaker 12: Nancy a textbook case of a psychopathy, has no conscience.

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Speaker 12: He could be out there eating a whole meal after

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Speaker 12: he killed her, And yes, you're right, there's no doubt

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Speaker 12: in my mind that he sexually assaulted her, that he

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Speaker 12: probably raped this little eleven year old, and he does

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Speaker 12: not have a conscience, just like Mark said, So it

478
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Speaker 12: doesn't mean a thing to him. He could be out

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Speaker 12: there and then do it again and again and again,

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Speaker 12: and it just is shocking. I don't have an answer

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Speaker 12: for why he kept getting off and being.

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Speaker 3: Allowed to be out there.

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Speaker 12: Addition to which, why was he living on the property.

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Speaker 12: How could somebody not see with the way that he

485
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Speaker 12: presented himself that he was a danger to this little

486
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Speaker 12: girl and should never have been around here.

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Speaker 2: Bob Price joining me, Associate editor, senior news contributor bright Bart.

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Speaker 2: You can find it a brightbart dot com. Bob Price, again,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. I understand that Audrey's

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Speaker 2: body was lodged on something underneath a bridge.

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Speaker 3: Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: Yes, yesterday I was down there by the river, and

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Speaker 5: I noticed a large number of uniformed practical police officers

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Speaker 5: in the area. There were boats in the area, probably

495
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Speaker 5: thirty to forty people right in that one area where

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Speaker 5: the body was found. And that is unusual based on

497
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Speaker 5: what the previous day's activity had been at those locations.

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Speaker 5: So clearly, sometimes Sunday night, or excuping that Sunday night,

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Speaker 5: these days are running together now Tuesday night, Monday night.

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Speaker 5: Excuse me, the Ecuroshearch people, we believe discovered using their

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Speaker 5: sonar discovered that her body was lodged down there. The

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Speaker 5: currents were too strong at that point in time to

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Speaker 5: get her out, and so the police were there to

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Speaker 5: secure that area. Later on Tuesday, they declared it to

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Speaker 5: be a crime scene. As of this morning, we have

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Speaker 5: an update that District Attorney Shelley Sitton has now filed

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Speaker 5: the capital murder charges against Donald Don Stephen McDougall. And

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Speaker 5: this is not the only child he was hanging around

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Speaker 5: with in recent months. There's another little girl who's a

510
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Speaker 5: friend of Audrey's. Audrey went to her birthday party, and

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Speaker 5: Stephen McDougall thinks that going to eleven year old girl's

512
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Speaker 5: birthday parties is a cool thing to do. And these parents,

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Speaker 5: who obviously know who this guy is, I think it's

514
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Speaker 5: okay for this neo Nazi Aryan Nation hate group can

515
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Speaker 5: catch it. I can't even describe all this stuff, you know,

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Speaker 5: for them to bring this thug, this animal to their

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Speaker 5: children's birthday party.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking back Atlanta, Shadwick, I want to

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Speaker 2: hear your thoughts on this. I remember when the twins

520
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Speaker 2: were born, they were very premature, and we have a

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Speaker 2: relative who's perfectly nice, but he smokes. I wouldn't even

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Speaker 2: let him come in and visit the twins because he smoked,

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Speaker 2: and I didn't want. You know, nicotine can trigger sudden

524
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Speaker 2: infant death syndrome and it hurt me to do it. Oh,

525
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Speaker 2: I love him, but he couldn't come in. So how

526
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Speaker 2: in the hell do you let a Nazi Arian brother

527
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Speaker 2: around your children.

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Speaker 9: Well, there's there's two theories to that, not taking up

529
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Speaker 9: for him or anything like that.

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Speaker 10: But there's a.

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Speaker 13: Social media video post of an individual who's had altercations

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Speaker 13: with McDougall, and she's said he's charming, he.

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Speaker 8: Works you, you wouldn't believe anything.

534
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Speaker 9: And then boom and she.

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Speaker 8: Was in the car within he took a cell phone

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Speaker 8: away from her.

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Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, wha, whoa whoa Wait wait wait, drinking from

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Speaker 2: the fire Roger first, Eli, Brian the third tells me

539
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 2: about this guy coming at him with a knife. Nothing happened,

540
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Speaker 2: He walked right out of jail. Then I find out

541
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Speaker 2: he's trying to send we believe, pena shots to little girls.

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Speaker 3: Now that, well, what happened with the woman in the car?

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Speaker 3: Why did he take away her cell phone?

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Speaker 8: I do not know.

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Speaker 9: She knew she was in trouble, but she I don't

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Speaker 9: believe charges were filed. I don't believe she went to

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Speaker 9: the authorities.

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Speaker 8: But she's talking.

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Speaker 3: Now, Why would he take away her cell phone?

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Speaker 12: That's not good, but you can't use it to call

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Speaker 12: for help.

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Speaker 2: Okay, just having hard time taking all of this in.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about also the brilliance of how

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Speaker 2: they lowered the water in this entire body of water

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Speaker 2: to reach the child.

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Joining me, is he's been very quiet, which is uncharacteristic.

558
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Speaker 2: Chris McDonough, director Cold Case Foundation, former homicide detective, a

559
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Speaker 2: host of a YouTube channel. The interview Room where I

560
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Speaker 2: found him. Chris McDonough, I've done a lot of water

561
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Speaker 2: searches and diving myself, but I've never seen a body,

562
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Speaker 2: an entire body of water lowered, the water level lowered

563
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Speaker 2: to get to the victim. Tell me how it's done, because.

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Speaker 6: You have you know, that was a great investigative move

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Speaker 6: by law enforcement in this case, by working with the

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Speaker 6: Trinity River Authority engineers and basically as we're where, there's

567
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Speaker 6: a reservoir above and so what they do is they

568
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Speaker 6: close the what they're called lockgates, which controls the flow

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Speaker 6: of water downstream because everybody knows water goes in one

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Speaker 6: particular direction, and that, in of itself then opened up

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Speaker 6: an opportunity for the search forensic diving teams. Maybe they

572
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Speaker 6: got dogs on boats where sometimes you can get the scent.

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Speaker 2: And remember everybody, dogs can smell your scent, your clothes,

574
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Speaker 2: a dead body, you name it, even in water.

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Speaker 3: Go ahead, Chris, yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 6: And so whenever you have a body dump into water,

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Speaker 6: there are a lot of considerations from an investigative aspect

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Speaker 6: have to be taken place almost immediately. The first one

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Speaker 6: question I want to know is did she have Was

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Speaker 6: she alive when she went into the water.

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Speaker 2: Oh, dear Lord in heaven, why don't you make me

582
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Speaker 2: think about that.

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Speaker 3: I haven't even considered that.

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Speaker 2: To doctor Kindle Crowns, let's follow up on what Chris

585
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Speaker 2: mc dunna just said, Crown's chief medical Examiner, Tyrant County.

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Speaker 2: This jurisdiction, Texas, Doctor Kettle, Crown's in a nutshell, no

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Speaker 2: Latin phrases, no medical terms. How do you determine if

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Speaker 2: this child was alive when she was put in the water.

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Speaker 11: So usually when an individual drowned, there will be changes

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Speaker 11: in the body that she can find, which includes fluid

591
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Speaker 11: on the lung called pomery dima. They will often swallow

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Speaker 11: a lot of water into their stomach, so you look

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Speaker 11: for that. Those two are the main criteria for looking

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Speaker 11: for a drowning.

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Speaker 2: You're saying, doctor kill crowns to tell somebody drowned alive.

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Speaker 2: They're putting the water alive. You'd find pull edema. I

597
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Speaker 2: thought that was water around the heart, water.

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Speaker 11: Around the heart of the in the paracrdial sects of

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Speaker 11: spects surrounding the heart. That you wouldn't see any water

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Speaker 11: in the heart. You'd see water in the.

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Speaker 2: Lung, water or fluid. You mean lake water, late water,

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Speaker 2: lake water? Okay, just question, why did you say sh'ld

603
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Speaker 2: have pulmonary edema? A what is that too? When you

604
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Speaker 2: go so easily said she'd have late water in her lungs?

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Speaker 11: Well, because if you're alive and you're thrown into the water,

606
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Speaker 11: when you're alive, you'll be gasping and inhaling the water,

607
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Speaker 11: so you would pull that into your lungs and into

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Speaker 11: your stomach or into your airways and into your stomach.

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Speaker 11: You would find that in the autopsy.

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Speaker 2: How do you examine the lungs to determine there's water

611
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Speaker 2: and how do you well, I mean too into steal

612
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Speaker 2: equals four. How do you determine that water was from

613
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Speaker 2: the lake or do you really even have to?

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Speaker 11: So you can do it with the autopsy, the lungs

615
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Speaker 11: will be heavy and full of fluid. And then on

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Speaker 11: histology or microscopic examination, you can look for debris from

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Speaker 11: the lake water in the ways.

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Speaker 3: Yes, debris from the lake water.

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Speaker 2: How do you get the water in any debris therein

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Speaker 2: out of the lungs in order to analyze.

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Speaker 11: It, Well, you wouldn't get it out. You would actually

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Speaker 11: take sections of the lung at autopsy that then would

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Speaker 11: be processed and turned into microscopic sections to look out

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Speaker 11: under the microscope, and that debris would still be there

625
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Speaker 11: because it would be entrapped in the airways.

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Speaker 2: Bob Price joining me, investigative reporter, Associate editor, SI Needs,

627
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Speaker 2: contributor Breitbart, Bob, I know that there was a recreational lake.

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Speaker 2: Is she found in the lake or is she found

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Speaker 2: in the river that feeds into and out of the lake.

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Speaker 5: So, Lake Livingston is the second largest lake in Texas,

631
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Speaker 5: and she was found below the dam in the Trinity River.

632
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Speaker 5: The lake is a contributing waterway to the the Trinity River,

633
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Speaker 5: about five miles downstream from where the dam is and

634
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Speaker 5: from where the backpack was found. So it's still unclear

635
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Speaker 5: at this time if she entered the water or was

636
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Speaker 5: placed in the water near the dam and floated downstream

637
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Speaker 5: and became entangled in the bulk in the pilings of

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Speaker 5: the bridge, or if McDougall, because he said he went

639
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Speaker 5: to that bridge that day that area, did McDougall place

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Speaker 5: her there and trap her in that area where her

641
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,799
Speaker 5: body would, hopefully on his part, never be found. Those

642
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Speaker 5: are the questions that we still need to get from

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Speaker 5: the District Attorney's offices this investigation unfold.

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Speaker 2: Mark Class joining me, founder of Class Kids Foundation class

645
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Speaker 2: Kids dot org. Mark, let me talk to you about

646
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Speaker 2: the defendant. You've dealt with so many child killers. Do

647
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Speaker 2: you think this guy intentionally put her in the river

648
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Speaker 2: so her body would travel far from the disposal spot?

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Speaker 2: I do.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think he was trying to disappear her.

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Speaker 7: I don't think there's any question about that. But I

652
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Speaker 7: wonder listening to this guy's history and listening to what

653
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Speaker 7: this guy's been allowed to do. If this little girl

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Speaker 7: ever had a chance. I mean, the minute this guy

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Speaker 7: stepped on that property and was allowed to stay on

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Speaker 7: the property, I think that this child was doomed. And

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Speaker 7: I think that the supervising adults around her should have

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Speaker 7: understood and realized that, and they didn't. They failed their

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Speaker 7: child in the worst possible way. It's absolutely unbelievable. Who

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Speaker 7: lets a Neil Nazi live on your property? A neo

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Speaker 7: Nazi lets a Neil Nazi live on their property, particularly

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Speaker 7: somebody that's got the uniform that proudly wears the swasti,

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Speaker 7: because that proudly carries his criminal history that looks forward

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Speaker 7: to Mayhem and more Mayhem. And it's always escalating, Nancy,

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00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 7: these things always escalate. And at the end, and we've

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Speaker 7: talked about this hundreds of times, at the end, there's

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Speaker 7: a dead little girl or a dead little boy and

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Speaker 7: we all go, well, gee, how could this have happened? Well,

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Speaker 7: sometimes it's inevitable, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Mark, You're right, inevitable. I feel like Audrey never

671
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Speaker 2: had a chance. I want to go back to Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: Shadwick joining us former judge, prosecutor now lawyer in this jurisdiction, Livingston, Texas.

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Speaker 3: What now, Alanta, I mean, will anybody ever fess up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I gave him a cheap deal. Yeah, I didn't prosecute. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: we didn't indict him. I mean, there's one thing after

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Speaker 2: the next, one offense after the next. This guy, for

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Speaker 2: Pete's sake, is using meth math of all things.

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Speaker 8: Well, the Pole County District Attorney filed capital murder charges

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Speaker 8: on McDougall.

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Speaker 9: And that was yesterday.

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Speaker 8: He has no bond right now, and she's charged him

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Speaker 8: with capital murder because it involves a child ten years

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Speaker 8: to fifteen years old. So there's been something done about

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Speaker 8: this now.

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Speaker 2: But if he had been prosecuted for sending penis pictures

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Speaker 2: we think lude photos to little girls, or if his

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Speaker 2: case hadn't been played down to nothing when he wrestled

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Speaker 2: the underwear and pj's off another little girl, he would

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Speaker 2: have been in jail and ought you to be alive today.

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Speaker 2: He would have been in daddy's camper in the backyard

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Speaker 2: for Pete's sake.

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Speaker 8: If he had been arrested in August for that aggravated

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Speaker 8: assault with a deadly weapon and who gave the.

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Speaker 7: Father or the grandmother.

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Speaker 9: Custody of this child, such that they're friends with McDougall.

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Speaker 9: And this is who you're gonna lack pick up your

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Speaker 9: daughter from the bus stop, or take her to the

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Speaker 9: bus stop, or take her to school.

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Speaker 2: You know, how do you reconcile your Mark Chris McDonough

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Speaker 2: to the fact that the only thing we can do

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Speaker 2: now is get justice for this little girl. That's the

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Speaker 2: only thing left to do. She's not going to go

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Speaker 2: to high school. She's not going to go to Senior Prime.

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Speaker 2: She's not going to play basketball or softball for the school.

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Speaker 2: She's not going to be a cheerleader. She's not going

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Speaker 2: to college. She's not going to marry and have children.

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Speaker 2: It's over, and she died a horrible death, and her

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Speaker 2: body is thrown in the cold, cold waters of a

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Speaker 2: running river, and all we're left with are pictures on

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Speaker 2: Facebook and a courtroom. We got to feel with the

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Speaker 2: jury and get the death penalty. That's what we're gonna do.

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Speaker 2: Final thoughts Mark class Well.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, man, the death penalty hopefully ensures that this guy

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Speaker 7: will never get out of prison again. That's why the

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Speaker 7: death penalty needs to exist. There has to be a

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Speaker 7: line drawn in the sand to keep these guys, maybe

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Speaker 7: not into the execution house, but at least out of

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Speaker 7: society and keep them someplace isolated and segregated where they

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Speaker 7: can never touch another innocent human being. It's the only

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Speaker 7: way to create public safety in a situation like this.

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, situation is really oh.

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Speaker 8: Death or life without parole, that's another option or life

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Speaker 8: not really?

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Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, My life without parole changes all

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Speaker 7: the time, laws changed all the time. It's a situation

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Speaker 7: in California now where a lot of people that are

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Speaker 7: on death row might be getting resentenced.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, do I have to say Charles Manson, he got

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Speaker 2: the DP Remember Mark, he got the death penalty from

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Speaker 2: how many people did he help kill? And then the

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Speaker 2: law changed and he had the rest of his rotten

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Speaker 2: life to have online friends, women wanting to have sex

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Speaker 2: with him, a website making money.

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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 2: That's what happens on Life without Parole and the disciple.

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Speaker 7: That is willing to try to assassinate a president of

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Speaker 7: the United States to impress him. These guys are so

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Speaker 7: dastardly and so awful they have to be on death roll.

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Speaker 7: They have to be cut off society from society otherwise

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Speaker 7: they continue to have an influence.

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Speaker 2: Look, this is what I've got to say, and a

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Speaker 2: lot of people aren't going to like it. But it's

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Speaker 2: on you. Every prosecutor that let him off easy. It

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Speaker 2: took a cheap please so you wouldn't have to go

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Speaker 2: to trial. Everybody who didn't call police, Not you, Brian

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Speaker 2: the third.

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Speaker 3: Because you call police, you tried to do something.

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Speaker 10: It's my fault too, Dacy. I should have pulled the

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Speaker 10: trigger that night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you at least got a piece of him with

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Speaker 2: the gun butt friend, Wow, and you call police.

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Speaker 10: That's not enough.

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Speaker 2: Everybody that didn't put him in jail, everybody that turned

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Speaker 2: the other way, everybody that exposed this nazi set perfect

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Speaker 2: to their children.

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Speaker 3: It's on you. We wait as just as unfals. Goodbye, friend,