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Speaker 1: Coup and Navante Adams and Deebo Samuel have all been

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Speaker 1: found outside round one. I could see him going edge rusher.

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Speaker 1: I could see him going cornerback, you know, with that

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Speaker 1: first pick. Cornerbacks and good possibility. You know, but they

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Speaker 1: do have a finite number of interviews, right, so they

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Speaker 1: have to choose carefully correct well on the interviews. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but you've still got zooms, you've got individual workouts. Just

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Speaker 1: because you don't talk to one of those, make one

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Speaker 1: of those players for the forty five you talked to

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Speaker 1: here formally, it doesn't mean you don't have a chance

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Speaker 1: to talk to these people. Okay, So, finally, have you

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Speaker 1: asked Kenny Pickett about his hand size because apparently this

439
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Speaker 1: is a thing at the Combine this year. Kenny Pickett

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Speaker 1: hand size, if you asked him yourself. Unfortunately, Paul Kenny

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Speaker 1: Pickett when he talked to the media, was right in

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Speaker 1: the middle of the Cliff Kingsbury Steve Kame announcements, so

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Speaker 1: I was otherwise busy. All right, Well, think of what

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Speaker 1: you witnessed over the years and the evolution to the combine.

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Speaker 1: Because it's gonna start up tomorrow night in primetime. There's

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Speaker 1: gonna be music, there's gonna be production. I mean, it

447
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Speaker 1: is a full fledged theatrical show, Darren Urban, A far

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Speaker 1: cry from when you first started covering it more than

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Speaker 1: two decades ago. I'm very exciting. Yeah, yeah, thanks for

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Speaker 1: the insight and the analysis. All the way from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: We continue with a big red rage presented by Santan

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Speaker 1: Ford in Gilbert god Gun step Lawrence three step drop

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Speaker 1: open in the pocket fires across the middle. It's intercept

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Speaker 1: that it was deflected and picked off by Byron Murphy.

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Speaker 1: Lawrence takes turns, gives to hide. It's a police flicker,

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Speaker 1: pitching it back to Laurence Heason. Crumbill jump off past,

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Speaker 1: picked off near side by Murphy at the thirty running

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Speaker 1: it back to the left of the twenty tenth five

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Speaker 1: cut down Byron Murphy after a horrible mistake by the

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Speaker 1: rookie with a pick six and the Fightinals are back

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Speaker 1: in front. Twenty three and nineteen Byron Murphy was all

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Speaker 1: over that. That's a great read by a young guy

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Speaker 1: coming of age, no doubt, great call, Passion Wolf, They're

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Speaker 1: great plays by Byron Murphy. At Jacksonville Week three, remember

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Speaker 1: the pick six after the kick six to end the

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Speaker 1: first half, Cardinals trailed in Jayvill and then Boom came

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Speaker 1: back and secured the win. Byron Murphy. Obviously a big

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Speaker 1: part of that. It is the Big Red Rage presented

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Speaker 1: by santan Ford in Gilbert. We are santan Ford, Paul Kelbc,

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Speaker 1: Ron wolf Ley and Wolf. Can I just say that

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Speaker 1: an underrated aspect the Cardinals fade down the stretch last

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Speaker 1: year was losing number three corner Robert Alford. Yeah, to me,

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Speaker 1: losing Robert Alford just threw that secondary and that cornerback

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Speaker 1: group into disarray. And it started with that Week fourteen

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Speaker 1: loss on Monday Night against the Rams where they gave

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Speaker 1: up three catches of forty or more yards and that

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Speaker 1: was as many forty plus yard catches as they had

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Speaker 1: given up all season combined. Yeah, Paul, that really is

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Speaker 1: That was something about the first I want to say,

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Speaker 1: twelve weeks of the season, somewhere around there, approximately twelve

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Speaker 1: weeks of the season. The corner Room had played so

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Speaker 1: except well, if you remember that, Paul, you go back

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Speaker 1: and you look at the tape. Marco Wilson, this fourth

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Speaker 1: round pick out of Florida, this rookie out there on

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Speaker 1: the field was playing very very well. And Byron Murphy

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Speaker 1: of course was playing well. And you're right, Robert Alford

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Speaker 1: was holding it up out there and showing why I

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Speaker 1: was so high on him the first time they went

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Speaker 1: out and grabbed him. Now that was three years ago,

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Speaker 1: but I was so high on Robert Alford, and he

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Speaker 1: finally showed the dog that he is out on the field,

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Speaker 1: got the opportunity to go out and ball out and

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Speaker 1: did a great job. And then he eventually got hurt.

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Speaker 1: But you know Marco Wilson too, Polly, I think he

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Speaker 1: hit a wall. I do. We talk about this all

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Speaker 1: the time. I think the rookie wall is real for

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Speaker 1: some guys. That everybody, but for some guys, I think

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Speaker 1: the rookie of the rookie wall is real, and I

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Speaker 1: think it was real for Marco Wilson. Yeah, he lost

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Speaker 1: Robert Alford. He lost Marco Wall to a certain degree

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Speaker 1: because that rookie Wall, although he was close on a

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Speaker 1: lot of plays and just yeah, and as Christian Kirk

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Speaker 1: told us on this very show, it wasn't like Marco

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Speaker 1: Wilson got roasted. It's not like he got absolutely embarrassed

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Speaker 1: in schooled out there. But but you know, they'll go

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Speaker 1: at the rookie until he proves he can handle it.

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Speaker 1: And the Rams Rams made the Cardinals pay not only

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Speaker 1: a Monday Night, but in the playoff game against Marco

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Speaker 1: Wilson as well. And for that reason. Cliff Kingsbury at

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Speaker 1: the Combine yesterday was talking about that position group. I

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Speaker 1: think we all feel we need to add some pieces there.

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Speaker 1: Marco as a rookie, I thought got better and did

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Speaker 1: a nice job. But Byron as a guy, we'd like

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Speaker 1: to move around, play inside, play outside, and so you'd

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Speaker 1: like to find a couple more pieces that you feel

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Speaker 1: good about going on the next year. I mean, Ron Wolflee,

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Speaker 1: if you're sitting there at number twenty three in late

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Speaker 1: April round one of the draft and you have a

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Speaker 1: legit number one corner on the board, do you hesitate

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Speaker 1: at all to take that position, No, Balb. You know what, honestly,

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Speaker 1: this is this is what I think they ought to do. Polly.

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Speaker 1: I do believe that you should look at position when

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Speaker 1: you draft. You should you should have needs when you

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Speaker 1: look at it. Now. Again, that doesn't mean just because

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Speaker 1: your need is there, that you're going to take one

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Speaker 1: player over somebody else. You do want to take the

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Speaker 1: best player available. But Polly, the Arizona Cardinals are in

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Speaker 1: a situation right right now where they can look at corner.

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Speaker 1: I think they can look at interior offensive line, in

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Speaker 1: particular a guard. I think they can look at wide receiver. Paul. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think they could take those three positions and say,

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Speaker 1: whoever is the highest rated player on our board at

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Speaker 1: those three positions when number twenty three comes rolling around,

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Speaker 1: let's take them. And you heard our conversation with Darren Urban.

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Speaker 1: If the Cardinals lose Chandler Jones and that edge rusher

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Speaker 1: is there, you know, yes, yes, Polly, yes, you don't

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Speaker 1: want to become the Atlanta Falcons who had eighteen sacks

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Speaker 1: as a team last year. T J. Watt had more

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Speaker 1: sacks than you had as a team. So you don't

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Speaker 1: you don't want to become that's right, So there's a

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Speaker 1: need obviously, Why is that doll Polly once again, why

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Speaker 1: is that so important that you can actually get pressure

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Speaker 1: on an opposing quarterback? Well, think of how much better

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Speaker 1: that does make your secondary in your corner's look. Right,

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Speaker 1: So you better have a bunch of lockdown, shutdown guys

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Speaker 1: if you can't rush the passer. Here's the other thing.

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Speaker 1: The Arizona Cardinals in twenty twenty two really need the

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Speaker 1: two twenty one draft class to take that next step,

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Speaker 1: starting with Zaban Collins. Zaven Collins sixteen. Overall, he's a

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Speaker 1: guy who needs to come in and needs to be

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Speaker 1: a big part of that big red d and fact

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsberry was asked about last year's first round rookie.

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Speaker 1: We see him as an inside becker as him now,

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Speaker 1: and we do feel like there's there's enough snaps. So

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Speaker 1: we got to do some things differently, defensively, things schematically

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Speaker 1: to make sure we're maximizing those two guys, and that'll

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Speaker 1: be a big part of our offseason. How big a

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Speaker 1: question mark is Zaven Collins still? In your mind, it's

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Speaker 1: a question mark, probably only because he hasn't done it

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Speaker 1: right now, But I will tell you. I love what

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Speaker 1: I see from this guy. I think he is going

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Speaker 1: to explode. And the reason why I say that is,

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Speaker 1: think how much better Isaiah Simmons was in year two

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Speaker 1: from year one? Oh yeah, oh, PAULI I mean think

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Speaker 1: how much better he would now? Listen. I would have

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Speaker 1: loved to have seen Isaiah Simmons finish over the last

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Speaker 1: four or five games of the season a lot better

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Speaker 1: than what he did. He want to talk about a

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Speaker 1: young guy developing that may have hit a wall. That

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Speaker 1: guy may have hit a wall, But I am bullish

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Speaker 1: on him because he is a football player. You watch

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Speaker 1: him on tape, you watch him play. He's not afraid ball.

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Speaker 1: This is the reason why I'm jacked up about Zaven Collins,

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Speaker 1: because I think he's going to get a lot better

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Speaker 1: with an off season where he can actually hang out,

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Speaker 1: he can actually absorb the defense. He's going to have

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Speaker 1: all sorts of time to learn the defense again and

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Speaker 1: learn all the checks out there so he can go

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Speaker 1: out with confidence, go out in play, not only do

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Speaker 1: his job, but tell everyone else what to do. He's

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Speaker 1: a bright kid, Paul. He's a really smart kid, and

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Speaker 1: he's a great athlete. And now now here's the best part.

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Speaker 1: Zaven Collins is not afraid. He will stack his face

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Speaker 1: into the fan. And that's what I wanted to see,

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Speaker 1: all right. So he was the round one pick. Round

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Speaker 1: two was Rondelle Moore. We spoke with Sean Jefferson here

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Speaker 1: on a recent edition of The Big Red Rage of

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Wide Receivers Coach and the plans they have for

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Speaker 1: Rondelle Moore to move him outside and get him more

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Speaker 1: targets downfield. We know about that, and that receiver room

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Speaker 1: is in a state of flux with free agents like

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Speaker 1: Christian kirk and and aj Green if they get that

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Speaker 1: far into the middle of March here, and after they

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Speaker 1: lost DeAndre Hopkins, obviously that was maybe the biggest factor

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Speaker 1: down the stretch of fact. That's not us, that's Cliff

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury yesterday talking about the loss of the hoop. You know,

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Speaker 1: after doing some reflections, and the biggest thing was when

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Speaker 1: we lost hop I didn't do a good job schematically

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Speaker 1: adjusting some things that could have taken some pressure off

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Speaker 1: of Kyler. I think you lose a piece like that,

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Speaker 1: you gotta find a way to be more creative, I think,

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Speaker 1: and I gotta be better at that, but I think

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Speaker 1: we've we've improved each year offensively. Obviously didn't like the

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Speaker 1: way we've finished, but we got to continue to be

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Speaker 1: creative and then try to put Kyler and positions to

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Speaker 1: be successful and surround him with talent that can make place.

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Speaker 1: What do you think he means by that, Paully? What

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Speaker 1: do you think he means right there when he says schematically,

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Speaker 1: I got to do a better job. What do you Honestly,

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Speaker 1: I'm asking you do you think? What do you think

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Speaker 1: that exactly entails? Bolly? Well, we talked about this with

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Speaker 1: Sean McVeigh. What did they do? They lost Robert Woods,

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Speaker 1: who isn't a DeAndre Hopkins, but was vital to their scheme.

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Speaker 1: They ran so many four wide receiver sets they led

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Speaker 1: the league in that category. And once they didn't have

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Speaker 1: the personnel, once they didn't have the talent, they went

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Speaker 1: three games in a row and lost. They had a

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Speaker 1: three game skid, and he figured, you know what, I

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Speaker 1: gotta put this offense on blocks. I got to rebuild

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Speaker 1: the engine. We got to go back to a different schemes.

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Speaker 1: So I presume was that scheme they went back to.

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Speaker 1: It was a It was more of a balanced rushing

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Speaker 1: attack running between the tackles like they did back in

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Speaker 1: the day with Jared Goff. Yes, yes, and that I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm wondering, Paul. I'm wondering because I wonder if that's

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Speaker 1: what Cliff means. I wonder if that's what he's thinking about.

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Speaker 1: I need to do a better job at that. Now.

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Speaker 1: Once again, you gotta have a quarterback who wants to

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Speaker 1: get under center, wants to get under there and running

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Speaker 1: mail a more balanced offense in my opinion, and just

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Speaker 1: very curious because of the relationship of course that Cliff

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Speaker 1: Kingsbury has with Sean McVeigh and what the Rams did

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Speaker 1: to your point, and you know what, if that's if

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Speaker 1: that's the way you're translating that and that's accurate, then

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Speaker 1: I would say James Connor is priority number one because

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Speaker 1: you're gonna need that big back who can stoke it

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Speaker 1: between the tackles. Now, Darren and I hash this out

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Speaker 1: on Cardinal's Underground the podcast. Yeah, I'm more apt to

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Speaker 1: go after a free aging wide receiver then I am

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Speaker 1: drafting one in round one. The hit rate especially we're

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Speaker 1: at number twenty three, I know it's a deep draft class.

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Speaker 1: I get it, but it's been so unpredictable as whether

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Speaker 1: a first round, second round receiver can help you out.

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Speaker 1: And I know there's been a bunch of great second

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Speaker 1: round receivers who are among the best of the game

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Speaker 1: right now. You know what Cooper Cup was round three,

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Speaker 1: But a Davante Adams, you know, I mean, you think

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Speaker 1: of some of these guys who came out side round one.

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Speaker 1: But to spend some money on a free agent wide

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Speaker 1: receiver walf that you can plug and play and he

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Speaker 1: can be a legit number two, what would that do

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Speaker 1: for this offense? Yeah? No, I think that'd be a

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Speaker 1: big thing right there, Paul, honestly, But here's the problem

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Speaker 1: once again, you just never know how much money that's

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Speaker 1: going to take. How much money is that going to

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Speaker 1: cost right there at a high profile position like wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer is on that. I

658
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: know that you're not getting maybe a one. You already

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Speaker 1: have your one in DeAndre Hopkins. Of course, Rondel Moore,

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Speaker 1: you already mentioned that you hope to see him really prove,

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Speaker 1: really take up, Polly, if there's one guy, if there

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Speaker 1: was one guy. You got me sidetracked on Rondel Moore.

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Speaker 1: But if there's one guy Polly that I'd love to

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Speaker 1: see take off this year because of the impact he

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Speaker 1: would have, it's Rondel Moore. Yeah, it is he would

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Speaker 1: You want to talk about a little aid comfort and

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Speaker 1: shelter over the top of DeAndre Hopkins and gave him

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Speaker 1: a lot of room to operate. Oh my goodness, it'll

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Speaker 1: be a scary proposition if you're doubling d hop and

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Speaker 1: you've got Rondelle more one on one. And I hate

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00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: to say it, but I think there's going to be

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Speaker 1: a heck of a market for a Christian Kirk I think, right,

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Speaker 1: I'm not expecting him to come back, And at the

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Speaker 1: same time, I'm not expecting the Cardinals to have the

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Speaker 1: ability when you're paying DeAndre Hopkins. His cap number is

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Speaker 1: going to be twenty five million this year. Now, whether

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Speaker 1: they do something about that, I'm not exactly sure. You're

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Speaker 1: not going to be able to go out and sign

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Speaker 1: the Chargers Mike Williams for example, right, or Alan Robertson Robinson.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe a Chris Godwin coming off the ACL.

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00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: Probably not Michael Gallup coming off a toorn ACL. But

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Speaker 1: what can you get there. How about maybe a Juju

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Speaker 1: Smith Schuster will four, Maybe a Jarvis Landry who had

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Speaker 1: a down year, maybe on his way out at DJ

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Speaker 1: Shark six foot four from Jacksonville. That could be a

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Speaker 1: kind time special on a one year deal. Tell me

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Speaker 1: when Chris Godwin is ready to go, Tell me when

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00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: that guy's ready to go. Okay, coming off at acl

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll tell you where the Cardinals are gonna go. Yes,

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00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: an international game this season. Next on the Big Red Rage.

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Speaker 1: Look for a shot into the end zone here Johnson

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Speaker 1: and the lead of the last Bowl to the Fitzgerald

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Speaker 1: the right time at a Jiel back to help protect Joshua.

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Speaker 1: Count than one of the seventeen to count back to

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Speaker 1: twelve and a long in the ends one far side.

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00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: Fitzjoel goes up pick down for summer Larry Fitzgiel for

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Speaker 1: the second of the year. How about it a young

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00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: Dave pass rolling his RS there international style from Mexico

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Speaker 1: City of seventy five hundred feet in the air, the

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Speaker 1: elevation as Stadio as Tecca. Ron Wolfley, do you remember

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Speaker 1: that two thousand and five road trip to Mexico City, Pauli.

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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, I do remember it. Two

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Speaker 1: things in particular I think stand out. Just how big

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Speaker 1: the city of Mexico City. Oh yeah, just how big

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00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 1: it is? That was number one. And number two was

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Speaker 1: how many times you left the hotel the party ball?

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Speaker 1: That was number two. Those two things, Yeah, I do

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Speaker 1: remember your Lyne courtesy of Jim Almahandro has a much

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Speaker 1: better memory than me, but it was an all timer.

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Speaker 1: When you said Rolando Khanto was so popular in Mexico,

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00:38:39,120 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: it was like Ricky Martin showed up at an all

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Speaker 1: girls school and would just say, Rolando Kanto, former Cardinals

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Speaker 1: offensive lineman. Is he a large man? Rolando Kanto, He's

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Speaker 1: as big as the city. Yeah, we didn't realize how

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Speaker 1: big he really is until we went to Mexico City

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00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: and he was more popular than the Cardinals. And he's

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Speaker 1: been doing work behind the scenes ever since. I mean

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00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 1: it mean just great work, and it establishing a Cardinal

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Speaker 1: Spanish radio network south of the border. And all that

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Speaker 1: being said, it's official. The Cardinals are going to play

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Speaker 1: again a regular season game in Mexico City this coming season.

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Speaker 1: And if you remember this past season, as part of

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Folk Tales Are Documentaries, we went back in time

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Speaker 1: and chronicled the Cardinal's trip one time in Mexico. What

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00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: were your thoughts I'm playing in Mexico. First of all,

726
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,320
Speaker 1: it was great. It's a great sparions to get outside

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00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: the world and uh and world, you know how we

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Speaker 1: do it. I thought it was one of the biggest

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00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: moments of my career, believe it or not. I mean

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Speaker 1: one games, but the way Stadios Deccan Mexican people reacted

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00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: to that flag, I got goose bumps under here. I mean,

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00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 1: it was absolutely in Fuego. We're about to come into

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Speaker 1: the biggest arena in Latin America, and I think a

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Speaker 1: style stack got really prided that day. I come to

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00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:20,760
Speaker 1: the coach and Dannis Green is actually happening. An NFL

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Speaker 1: professional game is being played here? One that counts. It

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00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 1: actually happened. It definitely counted, and it will always stand

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Speaker 1: as NFL history. An amazing scene flashbaults popping for the

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Speaker 1: first ever National Football League regular season game abroad. That's right,

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Speaker 1: never before had an NFL regular season game been played

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Speaker 1: outside the United States. This is Cardinals Folk Tales presented

742
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 1: by seventy two sold where we go in depth into

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Speaker 1: Cardinal's history all Time anecdotes through the personal recollections and

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00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: memories of those who lived it. It was in freaking incredible.

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Speaker 1: It was called the birth of international football for the NFL.

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Speaker 1: And that's our audio trailer. The original Cardinals Folk Tales

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Speaker 1: podcast entitled One Time in Mexico. More podcasts available searching

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Folk Tales wherever you get your podcast. The whole

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Speaker 1: series for Cardinals Folk Tales. Video versions available at YouTube

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Speaker 1: dot com. Slash a Ze Cardinals Wolf, you were there.

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Speaker 1: You remember Robert Griffith. We heard his voice, he carried

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00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: out the Mexican national flag. And then the NFL record

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00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: crowd at the time of one hundred three thousand plus

754
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: enjoyed that Cardinals win over the Niners. Oh you know

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00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: what's incredible about it too. Do you remember when Neil

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00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: Rackers came out to te the ball up plus Oh

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00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 1: my goodness, they were going nuts that they brought the

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00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: kicker out of the field, that we're going to kick

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00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,560
Speaker 1: this ball off to start the game. That's what I remember.

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Speaker 1: Every time they'd kicked, Neil Rackers would kick off, whoever

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Speaker 1: the other kicker was would kick off, Oh my goodness ball.

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00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: If they would burst out into this yeah. I mean

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Speaker 1: you want to talk about a soccer crowd. Yeah, there

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00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: was a soccer crowd, but man, they love football too.

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Speaker 1: And you know what, Neil Rockers was going nuts because

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00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: he wanted to shot at a seventy yard fuel goal

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00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 1: because it's about the same elevation as flagstaff and the

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00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: ball just rockets through the air in that, in that

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Speaker 1: thin air, and he never got a chance at an

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Speaker 1: NFL record fuel goal. It's him. But I'll also say

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Speaker 1: this quickly about Neil Rockers at the time after he

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00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: kicked that ball off, I don't think I've ever seen

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Speaker 1: him run as hard down the field trying to get

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Speaker 1: a pound of flash, trying to do something to satisfy

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Speaker 1: these these fans. I don't know Bali, but he was

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00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: into it. Yeah, And that's saying something because he would

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Speaker 1: cover a kick and there's no doubt about it, not

778
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: like Jay Feeley. Now, let's get carried away, Jay Pheley,

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00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: stick his face into the fan. Yeah, Hey, how about

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Speaker 1: some As long as we're throwing out some props, how

781
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: about one of your favorites of all time in that

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00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: Cardinals locker room. How about the father of our own Jim.

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00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: I'm a hundred. John o'mahondro. JOHNNYO just honored at the

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Speaker 1: NFL Hall of Fame. How about that induction and as

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00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: part of the inaugural class of all time athletic trainers

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Speaker 1: in NFL history. Think about this right now. One of

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Speaker 1: five guys, one of five guys, the inaugural class of

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Speaker 1: trainers that are being inducted into the Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: Think about that for a minute right there. That fits

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00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: like a glove from Johnny Oh yeah, and our Jimmy

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00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: O is nursing a shrimp cocktail hangover from Saint aubya

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00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: Is steakhouse over the last twenty four hours. So that

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00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:39,040
Speaker 1: was great stuff as well. Wolf. By the way, we

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00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: got to look into the backyard over the block wall,

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00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 1: into the backyard of our NFC West neighbors. Did you

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00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 1: happen to see Seattle today at the combine coach double

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00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: rainbow saying that Russell Wilson isn't going anywhere? Yes, So

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Speaker 1: for all the reports and the proclamations. And then Jimmy

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Speaker 1: G is Jimmy I R again he got shoulder surgery

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Speaker 1: on his throwing shoulders. So does that do the Niners

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Speaker 1: and their plans to most likely trade him this auce. Yeah, Paul,

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00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: there are people out there saying, oh, it's not going

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00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 1: to hurt his trade value. What come on? What it's

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00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:15,760
Speaker 1: his throwing shoulder. He's not going to throw for four months. Suddenly,

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're gonna say, well, everything's gonna

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00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: be fine, don't worry about it. He's gonna re rehabing

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00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,719
Speaker 1: that thing. He's not gonna throw for four months, and

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00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: suddenly you're gonna pull a trade off. I think his

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00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: value is plumbering even as we speak. Yeah, guess what

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh was calling? Denver, Indie, Carolina, Washington, Tampa. They're not

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Speaker 1: calling anymore when he's not gonna be able to throw

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Speaker 1: a football until late June, early July. So that is

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Speaker 1: very interesting there as well. All right, special thanks Darren

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