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Speaker 1: A young hasi o, fellow ridiculous historians, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: That is my um poorly pronounced attempt at saying hello

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Speaker 1: in Korean, or one version of hello, Hello to you, Ben, Um,

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Speaker 1: my name is Noel, Hello to you Noel, My name

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Speaker 1: is Ben. Yeah, look at that. It checks out, And

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Speaker 1: of course we're joined as always with our super producer,

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Speaker 1: casey Pegram. You know, Ben, there's one thing we did

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Speaker 1: not learn how to say in Korean. Well, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of things we didn't learn how to say Korea,

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Speaker 1: but one of them is tutsi roll. And I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: be surprised if maybe there was one of those phonetic pronunciations. Um,

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Speaker 1: your your girlfriend showed me the other night when we

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Speaker 1: were hanging out, a uh thing that she took back

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Speaker 1: from your trip to Korea that had a phonetic pronunciation

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Speaker 1: of the word lighter and it was just three characters.

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Speaker 1: It was laha tour, I believe, which is nonsense in Korean,

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Speaker 1: nonsense of Korean. So I'm wondering if maybe there's a

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Speaker 1: similar thing for tittsy role. So why are we saying

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Speaker 1: hello in Korean today? I don't know. I didn't do

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Speaker 1: my homework. Can you help me out? You know, surely well?

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Speaker 1: And we were talking about you know, the topic is

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Speaker 1: related to Korea in a particular conflict that took place

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Speaker 1: in Korea that I was woefully under educated about. And

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Speaker 1: I know Ben that you probably were more educated about

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Speaker 1: this particular situation than me. So why don't you give

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Speaker 1: us maybe your background and why this might be the case? Right? No,

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Speaker 1: you and I before we went into this episode, I

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Speaker 1: called the Korean War here in the States. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: mainly from watching reruns of mashre War. I thin, really,

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Speaker 1: I am not a Mash Burt. Yeah. People always think

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Speaker 1: it's about Vietnam because it was on during Vietnam. But

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Speaker 1: but it is in fact about the Korean War, even

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Speaker 1: though it was kind of quote unquote also about Vietnam.

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Speaker 1: Casey on the case. So thanks for teaching me about

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Speaker 1: Mash guys, I hear. It's a great show. I've just

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Speaker 1: didn't watch it a time, but I watched it enough

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Speaker 1: to learn a little bit about the Korean War, um,

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Speaker 1: and also to know that the theme song of Mash

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Speaker 1: actually has lyrics in the movie, and it's a it's

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Speaker 1: very sad song. Yes, suicide is painless. It's a wonderful song.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful, it's sad. Yeah, beautiful is probably a better

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Speaker 1: word there. So the Korean War, which is also called

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Speaker 1: the UH Liberation War in some places, was waged between

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Speaker 1: nineteen fifty UH to nineteen fifty three June nine fifty

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Speaker 1: Korean side from the US. It's because it was basically

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Speaker 1: the imperial spoils of the Second World War where Japan,

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Speaker 1: divide um between communism and democracy. Right. Yes, this is

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Speaker 1: it's considered the first step that led to the Cold War, right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: much was a a symptom of this ideological conflict that

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Speaker 1: There's still very much a conflict, and today's episode takes

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Speaker 1: two things we we mentioned. We we talked a little

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Speaker 1: the show twitsi Rolls, And this is something where I

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Speaker 1: wanted to check on our mutual americanisms. I feel like

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Speaker 1: for all three of us, Casey, you and myself, twittsie

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Speaker 1: You know? Um, that's a good question, Ben, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Leo Hirschfield, who sold him out of a Brooklyn candy

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Speaker 1: Stern and Solberg. That could actually be an episode unto itself,

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Speaker 1: He also invented or he had several patents for um

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Speaker 1: And that's been a Casey on the Case Part two.

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Speaker 1: We're doing them in in installments now, which is important

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Speaker 1: and all are a story all their own. Twitty Rules

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Speaker 1: episode on Rowland and professional Farting. I do historical reenacting

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Speaker 1: biggest mysteries and historical costuming. The help me with this, Casey,

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Speaker 1: the pet laire Casey on the Case third installment, mid

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Speaker 1: listener male segment within a segment. So. The patent laire

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Speaker 1: some more flatulent related history kind regards, Kelsey, Thanks so

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Speaker 1: much for writing in, Kelsey. We love a good historical mystery,

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Speaker 1: and this is something that maybe we can also refer

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Speaker 1: I was going blue. You're gonna be like Mr Methane

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Speaker 1: I think we should let him be him. I don't

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Speaker 1: I don't want to take that away unless there's but

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Speaker 1: you know what, if there's a Sergeant Sulfur out there somewhere,

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Speaker 1: we'll record you separately. We have another letter from someone

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Speaker 1: gu Me, who lives in Japan I believe in as

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Speaker 1: episode where you both pronounce portmanteau or portmanteau in the

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Speaker 1: words have multiple acceptable pronunciations. Also, your podcast was not

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Speaker 1: people vote. She says, seventy two votes is not a

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Speaker 1: you can go either way, have an excellent day regards you.

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Speaker 1: And this got me thinking, you, guys, we should do

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Speaker 1: It's true, and do uh do polls to our hearts content.

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Speaker 1: I think we should. And the name of that Facebook

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Speaker 1: group is the Ridiculous Historians, where you cannot join and

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Speaker 1: become a member and get in on all the polling.

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Speaker 1: Uh fun the future polling. There'sn't any There isn't any

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Speaker 1: can also send us email where we are ridiculous at

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Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. And you can you know,

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Speaker 1: just ridiculous history on Facebook. I think we're on Twitter's

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Speaker 1: We'd also, of course like to thank our super producer

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Speaker 1: Casey Pegram and our research associates Christopher Hasciotis and Eaves,

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Speaker 1: Jeff go Oh, Let's lest we forget Alex Williams, who

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Speaker 1: composed our theme. No uh, I'm not completely sure how

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Speaker 1: to say goodbye and Korean, but I think you. I

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