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Speaker 2: It had been three days since Sabine d'arden had been

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Speaker 2: ripped off of her bike and transported in a dirty

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Speaker 2: van to a run down house and then chained to

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Speaker 2: a bed by her neck. The first few days of

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Speaker 2: captivity were a blur. Her kidnapper explained that he worked

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Speaker 2: for a dangerous man who wanted to take revenge on

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Speaker 2: Sabine's father, who was a police officer. He said his

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Speaker 2: boss wanted to kill her to get back at her father,

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Speaker 2: but that he was going to disobey this boss in

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Speaker 2: order to save her life, but that they needed to

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Speaker 2: hide her away. On the day, he led her downstairs

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Speaker 2: to her new home. It was a basement cellar hidden

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Speaker 2: behind a trap door. It was seven feet long and

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Speaker 2: three feet wide, with a ceiling of only about five

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Speaker 2: feet in height. There was no natural light, and it

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Speaker 2: was damp and cold. Sabine was in a very dark place.

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Speaker 3: A psychopath is somebody who understands emotions.

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Speaker 4: And I told them it is a very exceptional that

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Speaker 4: somebody abducts two children at the same time.

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Speaker 3: Would have been the yell of it in nineteen six,

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Speaker 3: but my god, it was just a beginning.

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Speaker 5: I think Belgium was a paralyzed for perverts in those days.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to la monstre. I'm your host, Matt Graves. On

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Speaker 2: June twenty fourth, nineteen ninety five, two young girls went

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Speaker 2: missing in the province of Liege and Belgium. Two months later,

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Speaker 2: two more young girls went missing in the province of

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Speaker 2: West Flanders on the Belgian coast. In May of the

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Speaker 2: following year, Sabine Darden was abducted in Tournee, and then

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Speaker 2: in August Letitia de Les went missing from Bertrich. We

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Speaker 2: know a lot about Sabine's experiences based on letters and

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Speaker 2: a journal found where she was held. Her kidnapper encouraged

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Speaker 2: her to write letters to her parents, which he promised

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Speaker 2: to get to them. Sadly, it was just a ploy

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Speaker 2: to get her to believe that he was protecting her

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Speaker 2: from an imaginary, big bad boss and to better understand

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Speaker 2: to manipulate her The innocence of Sabine's letters is heartbreaking.

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Speaker 2: They were openly published years later, so I decided to

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Speaker 2: share parts of them in this episode. Here is an

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Speaker 2: excerpt of one of these letters, read by a young

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Speaker 2: girl the same age as Sabine at the time. Recording

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Speaker 2: this take was upsetting in and of itself. The youth

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Speaker 2: and innocence of a twelve year old is something to

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Speaker 2: be cherished and nurtured. It's crushing to imagine Sabine writing

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Speaker 2: these letters in the hope of reaching out to those

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Speaker 2: she loved. Just hearing a recording of her words as difficult.

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Speaker 2: Listener discretion is advised. Parts of them have been shortened

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Speaker 2: and adjusted. In translation from French.

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Speaker 6: Dear Mommy, Daddy, Nanny, Sophie, Sebastian, Sam, Tiffi and all

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Speaker 6: the rest of the family. I asked the man who's

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Speaker 6: keeping me if I could write you again, because Mommy's

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Speaker 6: birthday is approaching. In Sophie Sam's too, I'm so so

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Speaker 6: sad I can't wish you a happy birthday and give

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Speaker 6: you a big kiss and maybe even offer you a present. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 6: that's not possible, and if I came home, we'd all

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Speaker 6: be killed. And I don't want that. I'd rather write

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Speaker 6: you from here instead of being at home dead. The

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Speaker 6: man who's keeping me told me his friend gave mommy

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Speaker 6: my last letter, and after reading it, you said, I

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Speaker 6: should be sure to watch myself well and learn to

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Speaker 6: like what the man does to me, and to be

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Speaker 6: he could give me to the bad man, who would

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Speaker 6: eat the radishes? If you want to replant them? There

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Speaker 6: the label is the cell date. Everything I get is

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Speaker 6: It tasted old, but I ate it anyways. Hope you're

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Speaker 2: The letters from Sabine are long and detailed. I left

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Speaker 2: from the town of Charlewais named Mark de True. During

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Speaker 5: Monsieur the agent van Rillard ran a search in his

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Speaker 5: a certain to True. I asked, who's this guy? He

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Speaker 5: Michaud and two officers from challah Wah who were going

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Speaker 5: to bring more information about the suspect and their surveillance operation.

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Speaker 5: At eight pm, I was there and the three officers

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Speaker 5: of suspicions about Du True, who'd already been sentenced to

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Speaker 5: thirteen years of prison for abduction, rape and sequestration of miners,

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Speaker 5: got out of prison two years ago and had apparently

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Speaker 5: solicited people to help him abduct young girls and imprison

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Speaker 5: I said, that's great. What's he doing in Bertree where

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Speaker 5: motion right away at nine pm. The investigating judge set

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Speaker 5: it up with a gendarmerie. It's after nine pm and

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Speaker 5: we can execute a warrant without obvious offense at night.

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Speaker 5: There's no obvious offense at this point. There are clues

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Speaker 5: that it could be true, but there is no obvious offense.

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Speaker 5: We can't make an arrest just based on suspicion between

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Speaker 5: sunset and sunrise, but there's nothing preventing us from surveilling him.

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Speaker 5: At three am, all of the addresses of Du Tru

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Speaker 2: True owned several rundown properties which he'd managed to accumulate

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Speaker 2: over time. Judicial authorities and police moved as quickly as

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Speaker 2: The Gendarmerie of Charlewas had a huge file on to

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Speaker 2: His file included other possible accomplices, including his wife Miche Martin,

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Speaker 2: Michel Martin was de Tru's wife or second wife, i

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Speaker 2: friend of Dtruz, or more like a lackey who was

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Speaker 2: In the interview, he's referred to as Li Lievre. Bernard

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Speaker 2: Weinstein was another friend of Dtruz, or more like an

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Speaker 2: rap sheet. It was now three am on August thirteenth,

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Speaker 2: nineteen ninety six, four days after Letitia had gone missing. Julie, Melissa, Anne,

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Speaker 2: Effia and Sabine were all still missing as well. Police

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Speaker 2: During surveillance, they believe that Marked True as well as

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Speaker 2: Police rushed into the residence in Sarce Labuisier on August

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Speaker 2: de True's wife was thirty six. Underneath her long blonde banks,

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Speaker 5: The police team, with Inspector de Moulain, took Mark d

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Speaker 5: True in for interrogation. Lollievre was interrogated by another team

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Speaker 5: one of those teams would be free to interrogate her.

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Speaker 5: I told Captain Deneux, who was in charge of this

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Speaker 5: police there, so let's use them to interrogate Martin. I

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Speaker 5: only had twenty four hours to hold these people, and

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Speaker 5: I'm the one who decides here, okay. I told them

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Speaker 5: they had to give Martin to another officer who was available,

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Speaker 5: and the gendarmes started complaining, et cetera, et cetera. Moreover,

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Speaker 5: just after having this altercation with an officer of the Gendarmerie,

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Speaker 5: I walked up to the window and see a guy

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Speaker 5: leaving the station and I said, who's that and someone

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Speaker 5: said it was the Lievre and I asked, is he leaving?

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Speaker 5: They said the enough shot to investigators didn't think he'd

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Speaker 5: I was the most experienced investigator in the team, so

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Speaker 2: With multiple witnesses having identified his van, the True must

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Speaker 7: I saw a cute girl. She was wearing a skimpy

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Speaker 2: To get a deeper understanding of the True's character, I

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Speaker 4: From two thousand and three until fourteen, I was his lawyer,

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Speaker 4: If you read the report of doctor Denas. He said,

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Speaker 7: Of my client.

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Speaker 2: When Da True finally cracked. He agreed to take police

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Speaker 6: Give me to the bad man who would hurt me

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Speaker 2: He had told the same story to Letitia, so both

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Speaker 2: At approximately six thirty pm on August fifteenth, nineteen ninety six,

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Speaker 8: Twelve year old Sabine dar Den disappeared in May. Letitia

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Speaker 2: Letitia emerged first, looking confused and disheveled, followed by a

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Speaker 7: Gillie Mouspresi the USA Nose.

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Speaker 2: Later that evening, there were scenes of jubilation and euphoria

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Speaker 9: This basement and the crimes committed here have made this

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Speaker 2: The world was about to learn the extent of the

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Speaker 4: I know I've studied the file, and I've studied, amongst

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