WEBVTT - Some Time With... Whit Hertford! (Part 1) 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:22.320 Hey there, Fanarritos, Welcome back to How Rude Tanertos. Today, 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:26.400 one of Fullhouse's most iconic guest stars is joining us. 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:31.080 We have wit Hertford aka duck Face with us on 0:00:31.160 --> 0:00:35.680 the podcast. Duckface's signature look arguably started a movement that 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:38.560 still floods our Instagram feeds to this day. 0:00:38.720 --> 0:00:40.239 It's true, it all started here. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:41.440 It's a legendary look. 0:00:42.080 --> 0:00:44.200 We can't wait to talk to wit about his time 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.159 on Full House and the other incredible projects he was 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.600 a part of. Please put your hands together for Wit. 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:51.200 Hi. 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.960 I'm so old. I'm so old that I'm literally doing 0:00:55.000 --> 0:00:58.720 this off like the desktop screen top and the oh 0:00:59.000 --> 0:00:59.880 like I'm eighty. 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:02.880 Oh yeah, No, you're in the right place. We are. 0:01:04.000 --> 0:01:07.959 We really discuss every time on this show how old 0:01:08.000 --> 0:01:12.200 we feel because technology is not our strong suit and 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:14.280 uh yeah it's you. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:16.480 I try not to let that cat out of the bag, 0:01:16.560 --> 0:01:18.319 like I really try to take it. I'm like, no, 0:01:18.319 --> 0:01:21.360 I'm super good at it, right, I'm really really, really right, 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.559 because I don't want anybody to like I think he's lying. 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:27.039 Well, we're also trained as actors, you know, to put 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:31.360 it on your special skills. Yes, I fire juggling, totally 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:32.600 done it make it work. 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:34.080 Yeah. Yeah. 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:37.560 So we're like, yeah, technology, I'm great. I mean, what's happening. 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:39.880 Yeah, we just watched your episode. 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.120 We just watched your episode last night, the first one 0:01:43.160 --> 0:01:45.200 we're introduced, and oh. 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.120 My gosh, Yeah, you are just a vision. 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:51.840 You are a vision in your color blocking that outfit, 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:53.000 oh the sweater. 0:01:53.320 --> 0:01:55.480 Yeah. We we make fun of ourselves a lot, and. 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.840 It's just giving Willy Wonka a little bit. 0:01:58.200 --> 0:01:59.920 It's really good wardrobe. 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:00.440 Isn't it great? 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:04.400 The glasses, the corduroy pants. I mean I could hear 0:02:04.480 --> 0:02:06.000 him from I could hear him from here. 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:08.000 It was good. 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:09.760 And did they have a It looked like they had 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.680 a patch on them. Did they have a patch on 0:02:11.760 --> 0:02:14.040 them or were they like cargo corduroy. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:15.920 I don't know. I'd have to look at a photo. 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:17.840 I know, because there was like on the side of 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:19.919 them there was I was like, oh, is that a patch? 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:22.800 And I was like, is that Like are we trying 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:28.600 to show that maybe Walter like maybe doesn't have well 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:30.720 or that maybe he doesn't have a lot of money, 0:02:30.800 --> 0:02:32.440 and so like that's part of it, you know what 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:32.720 I mean? 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.160 Like maybe his answer it. 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.960 Was poorly, poorly last were right? 0:02:37.000 --> 0:02:38.440 Like I didn't know that, or if it was just 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.680 a fashion choice or just something on my screen. 0:02:41.720 --> 0:02:43.040 I don't know. It could have been any of those. 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.480 Yeah, you were history is at all. I really would 0:02:47.520 --> 0:02:50.760 have loved if we met mom and dad duck. 0:02:50.560 --> 0:02:52.320 Face, mister and missus Duckface. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.360 Yes, yes, the senior duck Face. 0:02:55.600 --> 0:02:58.520 And why are his lips stuck in that position? I 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.919 want to know that who knows? Who knows that? 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:05.160 You know? 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.280 Like sort of like my like classical training. 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.720 Later in life, I would have asked all of these questions, 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.959 but at ten, I was just sort of like I'm. 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:16.560 On TV, right, Yes, the same, It's all the same. 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.520 I just did the thing like this is fun. Now 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:22.160 win's lunch. 0:03:22.800 --> 0:03:23.400 Yeah, exactly. 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:28.320 So let's go let's go back back back because we 0:03:28.360 --> 0:03:31.120 want to talk to you obviously about like your first 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:34.480 appearance as Duckface, but I mean you've you and your 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:39.120 your siblings have been actors and in the business for 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:40.000 quite a long time. 0:03:40.040 --> 0:03:43.240 How old were you when you started acting? 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:46.120 The first thing I ever did was that four we 0:03:46.160 --> 0:03:48.880 had moved here. My dad got a job at pepper 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:54.640 Dye teaching. He's a theater director and I auditioned like 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:56.920 crazy and did all the normal stuff, did the headshots, 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.600 and I think I had business cards with like an 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:06.400 ice cream cone that was falling, like really really cringe. 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.520 But it was a care Bear shoe commercial. It was 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.320 remember those remember this is how old we are too, 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:16.200 by the way, guys remember those shoe stores called Buster Brown. 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.200 Yeah, so it was. 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.120 Like a copro with Buster Brown and care Bears and 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:22.720 I was in a commercial with that, so I had 0:04:22.720 --> 0:04:25.679 to like imagine care Bears and that was my first, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.440 my first thing, and I remembered it. Yeah, you know, 0:04:29.520 --> 0:04:30.800 I think it was good that it was my first 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:32.560 thing because it was fun and it was a little weird. 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:35.520 So was this your choice to begin? 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:37.440 I get four, I don't know how much choice you 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:38.960 have to be like I'm going to be an actor? 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:41.960 Oh no to your parents pushing you or. 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:42.680 This was all you? 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.839 Yeah no, I was precocious as hell, and like because 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.719 my parents' ractors, it just felt like, well, this is 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:52.320 what we do. This isn't our DNA. Thankfully, like in 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.479 a big sweeping sort of overview, you know, my parents, 0:04:56.600 --> 0:04:59.200 especially my mom because she kind of raised this as 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:02.440 a single parent for majority of my life kept us 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:05.880 in public school. We didn't live in the city and 0:05:05.880 --> 0:05:08.000 that was crucial. We lived in a Goora before it 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.400 was like Bougie and Erowong, when it was like Tumbleweeds, 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:15.320 and so that was cool because it was the beach 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:17.240 and it was horses, and it was public school. And 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:19.720 I think without that I would have been in a 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:21.200 lot of trouble. Yeah. 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.240 Yeah, I think all three of us kind of had 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.320 that experience. We did like regular school, and all three 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.160 of us lived outside of a kind of Yeah we were 0:05:31.080 --> 0:05:33.839 the Orange County, that's right. 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:38.000 So yeah, you were the other side of the town. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.920 But but yeah, I think I do think that that 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:47.000 helped a ton because it wasn't like quote unquote real 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:50.360 life was something that we had zero connection to or 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:52.640 that you know what I mean. It wasn't like we 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.120 were in this bubble of just only being in entertainment. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.400 It was like, oh no, we knew what like regular 0:05:58.760 --> 0:05:59.920 school people did you know? 0:06:00.160 --> 0:06:01.920 And I think that was that was key. 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.000 It keeps you ground It keeps you grounded, and it 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.520 gives you perspective too of like hey, you're not going 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:09.440 to be fond over all the time or told you're 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:13.080 wonderful every single day, or you know, get people however. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.040 You will, Yeah, totally, totally. 0:06:15.240 --> 0:06:18.159 How So let's go, let's get to duck Face, because 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.400 I know that that is what people are dying to hear. 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:21.440 But let's get to duck base. 0:06:21.680 --> 0:06:24.800 Let's get to duck Face. That's actually that's actually the 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.400 stint off. Let's get to duck fast. 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:28.080 But let's get to duck face. 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.440 I think that's the new that. Yeah, that's the newest one. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:34.560 And we find that really duck Face has been behind 0:06:35.320 --> 0:06:40.880 all manner of things in the Tanner Fuller Future. He's 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:44.719 I feel like he's definitely their account for show easily. 0:06:45.640 --> 0:06:45.839 Yeah. 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.320 I feel like duck Face is helping that family figure 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:51.000 out how they pay for that house. Well, no one 0:06:51.040 --> 0:06:54.200 really appears to be working that much, So good on you. 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:58.040 Here we go. Now we're really getting you know. 0:06:57.960 --> 0:07:00.120 Me, I'll I'll just start off in a direct and 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.159 a fanfic and we'll have a show in seven minutes. 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.039 But what do you remember what the casting process was 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:10.480 like for that episode for that character? 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:16.560 Simultaneously, vaguely and vividly, I remember going to the lot, 0:07:16.760 --> 0:07:21.640 and I remember that it might have been pretty quick 0:07:21.840 --> 0:07:24.560 from the initial to the callback. I don't want to 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.400 say same day, but there were a lot of times 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.160 that there were same day stuff and my poor mom 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.640 had to take her Thomas Brother Guide in her pager 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.120 and figure out we're paid for and I don't know 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:34.440 how that. 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:39.240 Yeah, we we have talked many times about the Thomas Guide. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:40.720 And about how as kids we could. 0:07:40.920 --> 0:07:44.160 I could navigate you cross country using a Thomas Kid 0:07:44.520 --> 0:07:46.800 by the age of six, my mom my mom. 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:49.720 Was like, hey, dude, you're not getting your learners permit 0:07:49.840 --> 0:07:51.720 unless you've got this thing fronted back. And I was 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:54.760 like brutal. Okay, oh I was. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:56.920 We were at literally at five years old. 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:01.480 My mom was like okay, Jay four, okay, you know, 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:05.160 and it was like rating it and I remember, oh god, 0:08:05.640 --> 0:08:09.960 finding knowing the best routes across town and which one's 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:12.800 like okay, we can't take the ten, but we can 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:15.200 take you know, will share all the way down or 0:08:15.240 --> 0:08:17.840 something like just things like that that As a kid 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:22.720 navigating auditions, you you definitely learn. But yeah, I'm sure 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:23.760 it was a pretty quick thing. 0:08:24.200 --> 0:08:26.560 So I remember being on a lot and then I 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:28.840 remember they were like, Okay, we're going to take it 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:32.079 to the soundstage. I don't even think i'd been on 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:34.599 a sound stage yet. I'd literally just done commercials the 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.520 Maybes and Peterson, and I knew, you know, I knew 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.680 the show is gigantic, and they were like, we're gonna 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:46.040 do warder fitting right now, like what? And I met 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.000 you and they like, I don't know if you remember that, 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:50.520 but I do remember. They like, had us have our 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:53.960 first little meet cute and it was like right, it 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:57.680 was it was big jokes, it was big, it was real, 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:59.720 big man, and I mean, we'll. 0:09:00.559 --> 0:09:04.120 Yeah, do you remember this, Jodie. You have to say yes, because. 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:04.320 It was me. 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:07.720 I remember, and I don't remember what I had for 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.520 breakfast this morning, but I I, that's amazing. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.920 I was like, let's do, let's go. I can act 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.240 with this check, Let's go. 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:19.080 And I do remember you and I had a lot 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.280 of fun together. Like you were a few years older 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:22.720 than me, so there was a little bit of an 0:09:22.720 --> 0:09:26.240 age difference, but it never felt like. 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.640 Two younger sisters. And the one closest to me was 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:33.160 you know, my first best friend in life, and so 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:37.079 for together it was just me and her and we're 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:42.480 very different. She's I explained Chelsea as like if Ruth 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.560 Bader Ginsburg and Amy Poehler had a baby. She is 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:49.880 like a little four eleven tyrants, but very very funny, 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:55.080 the funniest of us all. And she's very stoic and 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:58.360 very pragmatic and I'm a limatic, So like we're very different. 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:01.199 But we were we and quick on and I think 0:10:01.240 --> 0:10:04.439 that that's probably why you and I we we had 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:05.120 a good rapport. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:08.600 So what was it like being that that first day? 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:09.160 Like was it? 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.240 I guess too, Like I we didn't the whole reason 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:14.320 we're doing this podcast because we didn't really watch the show, 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:18.280 So the whole idea that this show was like we 0:10:18.360 --> 0:10:20.640 knew we got recognized, and we knew it was doing well. 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:23.200 But as little kids, you're. 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.800 Kind of you know, you're just like I don't know, 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:26.520 this is the thing I do and I go and 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:28.920 you know, so whenever guest stars would come or people 0:10:28.920 --> 0:10:31.439 and they were like this is huge for us, it's 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:34.679 I still think of it as like really our little show, 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.520 like with our little people, you know, because it was 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.600 so normal and so not a huge thing. 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:44.960 Yeah, I I remember it well, you can hear in 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.680 the taping. I haven't watched it for a long, long time. 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.079 I watch it every Sunday Night episode. 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:55.800 Right right, just to keep it fresh in case you're 0:10:55.800 --> 0:10:56.679 asked to reprise the role. 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:57.839 Well, I give myself a note. 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:02.880 I'm like, guy, Yeah, I mean thirty some odd years 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:03.240 of notes. 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.240 I feel like at this point it's really dissected. 0:11:06.360 --> 0:11:08.160 Didn't nail it, you know, I didn't nail it, and 0:11:08.200 --> 0:11:09.640 I'm pretty upset about it. 0:11:11.240 --> 0:11:13.000 Well, it's because you didn't have a backstory. 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.280 You know, you didn't know. You didn't know was it 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:17.640 a patch on his pants or not that. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.600 Yeah, you can hear them when I when I the intro, 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:31.840 when I first arrived, there's like gasps and like there's 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:36.880 audible things and like very secluded laughter from you can 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:40.120 tell young boys, and those are all of them. They 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.360 all came to this. It was like my Scout troop. 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:46.280 They all came and you can hear their ice. I 0:11:46.280 --> 0:11:49.280 can like say, oh, that's Ryan or that's Oh I'm. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:50.800 Going to have to go back and hear that now, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.840 because it's really really cute. 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.679 They were very you know it was. I mean, I've 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:57.839 always been a run I've always been the shortest due 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.040 in my class. I'm the shortest dude in my existence 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:05.240 as a forty five year old and but you know, 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:07.800 school was like a mixed bag, and most of the 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.079 time the friends were super supportive until you know they 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.120 you know, they'd be five or six yogals that we 0:12:14.280 --> 0:12:19.000 get threatened. But when that gig happened, it was huge. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:20.720 I mean, and I you know, that was like kind 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:24.760 of a period. I would say, like this is when 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.959 I peaked of like ten to like fifteen, and then 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.040 I went and I did a lot of different stuff. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:33.720 So Bohas is definitely the one who was like, all right, 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:34.679 let's go. 0:12:43.559 --> 0:12:47.319 Was it like when you read the part of Duckface 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.760 where you like, oh, because I know, like as a 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.160 child actor, you know when we talked about it before too, 0:12:52.240 --> 0:12:54.000 like there's things that you have to do where you're like, 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.000 it's fun in the moment and you're like, yeah, I'm 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:58.680 an actor and I'm having fun and being silly, but 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:00.880 then like you have this thought as pep where you're like, oh, 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:02.640 I'm going to pay for this when everyone sees it, 0:13:02.720 --> 0:13:05.400 like everyone's gonna make. 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:05.640 Fun of me. 0:13:06.120 --> 0:13:08.560 Did you not have any of that fear? And if not, 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:10.800 how did you do it? And how can I do 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:11.400 it now? Now? 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.480 I mean, I've just always been a freak. So I 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:18.560 think I took my jobs weirdly serious at time, and 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.200 so I knew that that was a character and it 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:25.200 was such a good, weird, specific character that I was like, 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.160 I get to do a physical thing, I get to 0:13:27.200 --> 0:13:31.720 wear glasses, I get to be kind of like, you know, 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:37.720 the patheticthetic part of it that I thought it was juicy, 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:40.120 and I was really I was happy about that. I 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.360 would pay for it later and I got routinely cast 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:48.600 as like nerd boy for a minute. But you know again, 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:52.080 I'm still that guy where like I've never you know, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:56.439 I went to college for undergrad classical acting and then 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.840 you know, I've had a couple other lives seven of 0:13:58.840 --> 0:14:03.520 my nine cat lives already, and and I've never been 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.560 the guy that's like, oh I want to win Best Actor. 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.080 I'm like, no supporting actor, Like I want to know what, 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:13.480 like the sidekick side Yeah, that's all. 0:14:13.520 --> 0:14:15.280 You always get to have the most fun with that, 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.000 with the not the main character, but the one that's 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:19.840 a little quirky and offbeat totally. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:22.520 And I also look in the mirror every day and 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.760 so I know my face looks like so it makes sense. 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:28.320 But you know what, though, I always think that there 0:14:28.600 --> 0:14:33.600 is something to be said for being a consistently working 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:36.320 character or theater actor where you're like, I just get 0:14:36.320 --> 0:14:39.360 to do what I love in all different kinds of variations, 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:43.600 and I don't have to, like, you know, be perfect 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:45.720 for it. I don't have like I feel like that sometimes. 0:14:45.720 --> 0:14:46.480 Can you know when. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.360 That's the goal is to like be this thing, it's 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.080 you know, you lose some of the fun and the 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:57.760 playfulness and the outrageousness of acting and playing and doing 0:14:57.840 --> 0:14:58.120 all that. 0:14:58.200 --> 0:15:00.600 And I think, you know, as kids, we got to 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:01.360 do it all the time. 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:06.520 I had a mentor in college that she was great. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.800 She was from Britain and she I remember she cast 0:15:09.840 --> 0:15:12.480 me in this one role that was like the leading 0:15:12.600 --> 0:15:15.080 name and I looked at her and I was like, 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:18.480 what are you doing? And she was like, I think 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.760 you need to work on Well. I'll get emotional about 0:15:21.760 --> 0:15:24.440 it because it's kind of stayed with me forever that 0:15:24.560 --> 0:15:28.960 you're not and that you have the strength, and I 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:31.320 think you're handsome, and I think that you're charming, and 0:15:31.360 --> 0:15:33.360 I think you're all the qualities of the leading man. 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.960 You don't know that yet, and you need to. I mean, 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:38.800 good God, what a lesson. 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:43.320 Yeah, you know, a good teacher and a good acting 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:46.920 class is really just on your feet therapy, working through 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:48.840 various things. 0:15:49.280 --> 0:15:52.440 Her name is Sarah Ship and she's not dead. She's 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:56.200 still loves but she yeah she was. She was incremental 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.800 and yeah, so I'll drop her. 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.280 Like being the leading man for the first time, did 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.360 you end up believing in yourself that you're enough? 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:09.560 I started filing into this thing because then during my 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.960 second tour of duty here in La I started a 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.000 film company, like in my twenties, because I was just 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:21.000 I was auditioning for a lot of physical gags, right, 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:22.800 So I was doing improv in my twenties. I was 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.560 at UCB when it first started. Did that for seven years, 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.040 ran the gamut because I was like, you know, when 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:29.960 you're five to one, you should at least be funny. 0:16:30.120 --> 0:16:33.440 Let's figure it out. So did all that and we 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.760 started this little, tiny independent film company. And I remember 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:39.280 telling the guy that ended up directing all of it 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:42.240 was doing a lot of the camera operating. I said, 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.600 I want to do the non traditional man Ben Stiller 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.760 or not as saving to save these days Woody Allen. 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:54.320 But that I kind of got addicted to the idea 0:16:54.360 --> 0:16:57.600 of making that work. And the first short film we 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.360 did is just like a little round commerce me in 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:03.680 a five 't ten blonde actress that I met in 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:07.600 improv class. Her name is Norika Patrick and she used 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:10.719 to play in Edward Sharp and she's a phone director. 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:16.159 Now that was a just on this, you know theme 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.080 of sort of me figuring that out. I remember when 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.800 to a couple of festivals and these old ladies, and 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:23.919 the audiences they were like I forgot how short you 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.560 were within five minutes because the chemistry was so good, 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:30.200 and I was like, okay, cool, gool cool, cool. 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:32.639 What an amazing I mean that what a testament to 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:38.200 like reminding people that it's you know, the outer stuff, 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:41.200 the outer package is not the most interesting part of anything. 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:44.440 You know, it's not the most interesting part to watch 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.959 on screen. It's not the most interesting part to you know, 0:17:47.080 --> 0:17:49.959 watch in real life. Like it's the underneath stuff that 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:51.920 makes someone attractive or interesting. 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:55.520 Yeah. And because I you know, I'm like semi retired 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:57.320 from acting, I get pulled out once in a while, 0:17:57.320 --> 0:17:59.440 but I might have like a resurgence in my brain 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:02.040 and then my old here because I've kind of felt 0:18:02.080 --> 0:18:04.280 like the older gray or balder I get, the more 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:05.800 interesting I am, Like. 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:07.360 You know, you know what it is. 0:18:07.440 --> 0:18:11.359 It's the it's uh the less you give too, Yes, 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:15.240 you get like as all I am in my forties 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.840 now and it's I'm they're just they're flying off daily 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:20.800 and it's so great. But I think that makes for 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.440 like a whole It's sort of a creative resurgence because 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.879 all of a sudden you're like, wait, all the stuff 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.960 that I kind of didn't try or think I could 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:30.520 or what I want to do it now? 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:33.240 Like what do I have to lose? Who cares? 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:35.639 It's sort of like the good side of a of 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:39.320 a a midlife crisis, but a midlife questioning, a midlife 0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:41.399 digging deeper of what's next. 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:44.760 Forty five year old is the best version if you're 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.240 buying action figures, that's the one we get. And like 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:50.040 it took a bit, I mean, you know, not to 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:54.240 be like overly whatever, but my my pizza and valleys. 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.040 I really have lived seven of my nine cat lives. 0:18:57.080 --> 0:19:01.040 But I'm not tired, and I feel like it's it's 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:03.800 kind of the killer second half of my book that 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.560 I'm excited about because and this is going to sound 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:11.959 really hippie dippy and preach, you know, I lived a 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:13.920 part of my life and not even though I was healthy. 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.240 I lived a large part of my life not only 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.520 growing up in the industry, as you guys know, but 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:23.760 I also grew up very, very religious, and although we 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.520 didn't really wear it on our sleeves, it was a 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:30.359 part of my life every day week and my friends 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:32.480 were a part of it, all that stuff. And so 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:39.440 when I came to that sort of crossroads late in life, 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.199 like in my twenties, where I was like is this 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.800 for me? I just learned a lot about them myself. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:48.600 And so I think that most people, or at least 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:51.240 a fall amount of people, don't get the opportunity to 0:19:51.280 --> 0:19:54.560 push pause on their life and really separate and do 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.200 it's kind of a cliche term, but to do their 0:19:57.240 --> 0:20:02.800 work and to to really figure out who you are internally, 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:05.320 so the second half of your life can be for 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.679