1 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,320 Speaker 1: Hey there, Fanarritos, Welcome back to How Rude Tanertos. Today, 2 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:26,400 Speaker 1: one of Fullhouse's most iconic guest stars is joining us. 3 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: We have wit Hertford aka duck Face with us on 4 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: the podcast. Duckface's signature look arguably started a movement that 5 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,560 Speaker 1: still floods our Instagram feeds to this day. 6 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 2: It's true, it all started here. 7 00:00:40,360 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 3: It's a legendary look. 8 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:44,200 Speaker 1: We can't wait to talk to wit about his time 9 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: on Full House and the other incredible projects he was 10 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: a part of. Please put your hands together for Wit. 11 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 2: Hi. 12 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 4: I'm so old. I'm so old that I'm literally doing 13 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 4: this off like the desktop screen top and the oh 14 00:00:59,000 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 4: like I'm eighty. 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, No, you're in the right place. We are. 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 5: We really discuss every time on this show how old 17 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 5: we feel because technology is not our strong suit and 18 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 5: uh yeah it's you. 19 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 4: I try not to let that cat out of the bag, 20 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 4: like I really try to take it. I'm like, no, 21 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 4: I'm super good at it, right, I'm really really, really right, 22 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:24,559 Speaker 4: because I don't want anybody to like I think he's lying. 23 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 5: Well, we're also trained as actors, you know, to put 24 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 5: it on your special skills. Yes, I fire juggling, totally 25 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 5: done it make it work. 26 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. 27 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: So we're like, yeah, technology, I'm great. I mean, what's happening. 28 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, we just watched your episode. 29 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,120 Speaker 1: We just watched your episode last night, the first one 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: we're introduced, and oh. 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: My gosh, Yeah, you are just a vision. 32 00:01:48,360 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: You are a vision in your color blocking that outfit, 33 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: oh the sweater. 34 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. We we make fun of ourselves a lot, and. 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 3: It's just giving Willy Wonka a little bit. 36 00:01:58,200 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 4: It's really good wardrobe. 37 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 2: Isn't it great? 38 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 5: The glasses, the corduroy pants. I mean I could hear 39 00:02:04,480 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 5: him from I could hear him from here. 40 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 4: It was good. 41 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 5: And did they have a It looked like they had 42 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 5: a patch on them. Did they have a patch on 43 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 5: them or were they like cargo corduroy. 44 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:15,920 Speaker 4: I don't know. I'd have to look at a photo. 45 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:17,840 Speaker 5: I know, because there was like on the side of 46 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 5: them there was I was like, oh, is that a patch? 47 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 5: And I was like, is that Like are we trying 48 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 5: to show that maybe Walter like maybe doesn't have well 49 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 5: or that maybe he doesn't have a lot of money, 50 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 5: and so like that's part of it, you know what 51 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 5: I mean? 52 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: Like maybe his answer it. 53 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 4: Was poorly, poorly last were right? 54 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:38,440 Speaker 5: Like I didn't know that, or if it was just 55 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,680 Speaker 5: a fashion choice or just something on my screen. 56 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. It could have been any of those. 57 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, you were history is at all. I really would 58 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 4: have loved if we met mom and dad duck. 59 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: Face, mister and missus Duckface. 60 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, the senior duck Face. 61 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 3: And why are his lips stuck in that position? I 62 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 3: want to know that who knows? Who knows that? 63 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 4: You know? 64 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 2: Like sort of like my like classical training. 65 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 4: Later in life, I would have asked all of these questions, 66 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 4: but at ten, I was just sort of like I'm. 67 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 3: On TV, right, Yes, the same, It's all the same. 68 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: I just did the thing like this is fun. Now 69 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 3: win's lunch. 70 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. 71 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 5: So let's go let's go back back back because we 72 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 5: want to talk to you obviously about like your first 73 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 5: appearance as Duckface, but I mean you've you and your 74 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 5: your siblings have been actors and in the business for 75 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 5: quite a long time. 76 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 2: How old were you when you started acting? 77 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 4: The first thing I ever did was that four we 78 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 4: had moved here. My dad got a job at pepper 79 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 4: Dye teaching. He's a theater director and I auditioned like 80 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:56,920 Speaker 4: crazy and did all the normal stuff, did the headshots, 81 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: and I think I had business cards with like an 82 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 4: ice cream cone that was falling, like really really cringe. 83 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 4: But it was a care Bear shoe commercial. It was 84 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 4: remember those remember this is how old we are too, 85 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 4: by the way, guys remember those shoe stores called Buster Brown. 86 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was. 87 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 4: Like a copro with Buster Brown and care Bears and 88 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 4: I was in a commercial with that, so I had 89 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,679 Speaker 4: to like imagine care Bears and that was my first, 90 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:29,440 Speaker 4: my first thing, and I remembered it. Yeah, you know, 91 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 4: I think it was good that it was my first 92 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 4: thing because it was fun and it was a little weird. 93 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 3: So was this your choice to begin? 94 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: I get four, I don't know how much choice you 95 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 1: have to be like I'm going to be an actor? 96 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 3: Oh no to your parents pushing you or. 97 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: This was all you? 98 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 4: Yeah no, I was precocious as hell, and like because 99 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 4: my parents' ractors, it just felt like, well, this is 100 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 4: what we do. This isn't our DNA. Thankfully, like in 101 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 4: a big sweeping sort of overview, you know, my parents, 102 00:04:56,600 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 4: especially my mom because she kind of raised this as 103 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 4: a single parent for majority of my life kept us 104 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 4: in public school. We didn't live in the city and 105 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 4: that was crucial. We lived in a Goora before it 106 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 4: was like Bougie and Erowong, when it was like Tumbleweeds, 107 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 4: and so that was cool because it was the beach 108 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 4: and it was horses, and it was public school. And 109 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 4: I think without that I would have been in a 110 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 4: lot of trouble. Yeah. 111 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think all three of us kind of had 112 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 5: that experience. We did like regular school, and all three 113 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 5: of us lived outside of a kind of Yeah we were 114 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 5: the Orange County, that's right. 115 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 2: So yeah, you were the other side of the town. 116 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 5: But but yeah, I think I do think that that 117 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 5: helped a ton because it wasn't like quote unquote real 118 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 5: life was something that we had zero connection to or 119 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 5: that you know what I mean. It wasn't like we 120 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 5: were in this bubble of just only being in entertainment. 121 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 5: It was like, oh no, we knew what like regular 122 00:05:58,760 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 5: school people did you know? 123 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 2: And I think that was that was key. 124 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: It keeps you ground It keeps you grounded, and it 125 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: gives you perspective too of like hey, you're not going 126 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 1: to be fond over all the time or told you're 127 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: wonderful every single day, or you know, get people however. 128 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 4: You will, Yeah, totally, totally. 129 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 5: How So let's go, let's get to duck Face, because 130 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 5: I know that that is what people are dying to hear. 131 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: But let's get to duck base. 132 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 4: Let's get to duck Face. That's actually that's actually the 133 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 4: stint off. Let's get to duck fast. 134 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 2: But let's get to duck face. 135 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 5: I think that's the new that. Yeah, that's the newest one. 136 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 5: And we find that really duck Face has been behind 137 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 5: all manner of things in the Tanner Fuller Future. He's 138 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:44,719 Speaker 5: I feel like he's definitely their account for show easily. 139 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:45,839 Speaker 4: Yeah. 140 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 5: I feel like duck Face is helping that family figure 141 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 5: out how they pay for that house. Well, no one 142 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 5: really appears to be working that much, So good on you. 143 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: Here we go. Now we're really getting you know. 144 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 5: Me, I'll I'll just start off in a direct and 145 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 5: a fanfic and we'll have a show in seven minutes. 146 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 5: But what do you remember what the casting process was 147 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 5: like for that episode for that character? 148 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 4: Simultaneously, vaguely and vividly, I remember going to the lot, 149 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 4: and I remember that it might have been pretty quick 150 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 4: from the initial to the callback. I don't want to 151 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 4: say same day, but there were a lot of times 152 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: that there were same day stuff and my poor mom 153 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 4: had to take her Thomas Brother Guide in her pager 154 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: and figure out we're paid for and I don't know 155 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 4: how that. 156 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 5: Yeah, we we have talked many times about the Thomas Guide. 157 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: And about how as kids we could. 158 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 5: I could navigate you cross country using a Thomas Kid 159 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 5: by the age of six, my mom my mom. 160 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 4: Was like, hey, dude, you're not getting your learners permit 161 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 4: unless you've got this thing fronted back. And I was 162 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 4: like brutal. Okay, oh I was. 163 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: We were at literally at five years old. 164 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 5: My mom was like okay, Jay four, okay, you know, 165 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,160 Speaker 5: and it was like rating it and I remember, oh god, 166 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 5: finding knowing the best routes across town and which one's 167 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 5: like okay, we can't take the ten, but we can 168 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 5: take you know, will share all the way down or 169 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 5: something like just things like that that As a kid 170 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 5: navigating auditions, you you definitely learn. But yeah, I'm sure 171 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 5: it was a pretty quick thing. 172 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 4: So I remember being on a lot and then I 173 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 4: remember they were like, Okay, we're going to take it 174 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 4: to the soundstage. I don't even think i'd been on 175 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 4: a sound stage yet. I'd literally just done commercials the 176 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 4: Maybes and Peterson, and I knew, you know, I knew 177 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 4: the show is gigantic, and they were like, we're gonna 178 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 4: do warder fitting right now, like what? And I met 179 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 4: you and they like, I don't know if you remember that, 180 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 4: but I do remember. They like, had us have our 181 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 4: first little meet cute and it was like right, it 182 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 4: was it was big jokes, it was big, it was real, 183 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 4: big man, and I mean, we'll. 184 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, do you remember this, Jodie. You have to say yes, because. 185 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: It was me. 186 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 5: I remember, and I don't remember what I had for 187 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 5: breakfast this morning, but I I, that's amazing. 188 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 4: I was like, let's do, let's go. I can act 189 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 4: with this check, Let's go. 190 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,080 Speaker 5: And I do remember you and I had a lot 191 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 5: of fun together. Like you were a few years older 192 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 5: than me, so there was a little bit of an 193 00:09:22,720 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 5: age difference, but it never felt like. 194 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 4: Two younger sisters. And the one closest to me was 195 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 4: you know, my first best friend in life, and so 196 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 4: for together it was just me and her and we're 197 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 4: very different. She's I explained Chelsea as like if Ruth 198 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 4: Bader Ginsburg and Amy Poehler had a baby. She is 199 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: like a little four eleven tyrants, but very very funny, 200 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:55,080 Speaker 4: the funniest of us all. And she's very stoic and 201 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 4: very pragmatic and I'm a limatic, So like we're very different. 202 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 4: But we were we and quick on and I think 203 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 4: that that's probably why you and I we we had 204 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 4: a good rapport. 205 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: So what was it like being that that first day? 206 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 2: Like was it? 207 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 5: I guess too, Like I we didn't the whole reason 208 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 5: we're doing this podcast because we didn't really watch the show, 209 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 5: So the whole idea that this show was like we 210 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 5: knew we got recognized, and we knew it was doing well. 211 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: But as little kids, you're. 212 00:10:23,120 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 5: Kind of you know, you're just like I don't know, 213 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 5: this is the thing I do and I go and 214 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 5: you know, so whenever guest stars would come or people 215 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 5: and they were like this is huge for us, it's 216 00:10:31,720 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 5: I still think of it as like really our little show, 217 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 5: like with our little people, you know, because it was 218 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 5: so normal and so not a huge thing. 219 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, I I remember it well, you can hear in 220 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 4: the taping. I haven't watched it for a long, long time. 221 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,079 Speaker 4: I watch it every Sunday Night episode. 222 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 2: Right right, just to keep it fresh in case you're 223 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 2: asked to reprise the role. 224 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 4: Well, I give myself a note. 225 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 5: I'm like, guy, Yeah, I mean thirty some odd years 226 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 5: of notes. 227 00:11:03,280 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: I feel like at this point it's really dissected. 228 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,160 Speaker 4: Didn't nail it, you know, I didn't nail it, and 229 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 4: I'm pretty upset about it. 230 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 2: Well, it's because you didn't have a backstory. 231 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 5: You know, you didn't know. You didn't know was it 232 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 5: a patch on his pants or not that. 233 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, you can hear them when I when I the intro, 234 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 4: when I first arrived, there's like gasps and like there's 235 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 4: audible things and like very secluded laughter from you can 236 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:40,120 Speaker 4: tell young boys, and those are all of them. They 237 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,360 Speaker 4: all came to this. It was like my Scout troop. 238 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 4: They all came and you can hear their ice. I 239 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 4: can like say, oh, that's Ryan or that's Oh I'm. 240 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 5: Going to have to go back and hear that now, 241 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 5: because it's really really cute. 242 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:55,679 Speaker 4: They were very you know it was. I mean, I've 243 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 4: always been a run I've always been the shortest due 244 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 4: in my class. I'm the shortest dude in my existence 245 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 4: as a forty five year old and but you know, 246 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 4: school was like a mixed bag, and most of the 247 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,079 Speaker 4: time the friends were super supportive until you know they 248 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 4: you know, they'd be five or six yogals that we 249 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 4: get threatened. But when that gig happened, it was huge. 250 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 4: I mean, and I you know, that was like kind 251 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 4: of a period. I would say, like this is when 252 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,959 Speaker 4: I peaked of like ten to like fifteen, and then 253 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 4: I went and I did a lot of different stuff. 254 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 4: So Bohas is definitely the one who was like, all right, 255 00:12:34,440 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 4: let's go. 256 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 5: Was it like when you read the part of Duckface 257 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 5: where you like, oh, because I know, like as a 258 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 5: child actor, you know when we talked about it before too, 259 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 5: like there's things that you have to do where you're like, 260 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 5: it's fun in the moment and you're like, yeah, I'm 261 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 5: an actor and I'm having fun and being silly, but 262 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 5: then like you have this thought as pep where you're like, oh, 263 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 5: I'm going to pay for this when everyone sees it, 264 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 5: like everyone's gonna make. 265 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:05,640 Speaker 2: Fun of me. 266 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 5: Did you not have any of that fear? And if not, 267 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 5: how did you do it? And how can I do 268 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 5: it now? Now? 269 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 4: I mean, I've just always been a freak. So I 270 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 4: think I took my jobs weirdly serious at time, and 271 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 4: so I knew that that was a character and it 272 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 4: was such a good, weird, specific character that I was like, 273 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 4: I get to do a physical thing, I get to 274 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 4: wear glasses, I get to be kind of like, you know, 275 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 4: the patheticthetic part of it that I thought it was juicy, 276 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 4: and I was really I was happy about that. I 277 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 4: would pay for it later and I got routinely cast 278 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:48,600 Speaker 4: as like nerd boy for a minute. But you know again, 279 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 4: I'm still that guy where like I've never you know, 280 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,439 Speaker 4: I went to college for undergrad classical acting and then 281 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 4: you know, I've had a couple other lives seven of 282 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 4: my nine cat lives already, and and I've never been 283 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 4: the guy that's like, oh I want to win Best Actor. 284 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 4: I'm like, no supporting actor, Like I want to know what, 285 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 4: like the sidekick side Yeah, that's all. 286 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 5: You always get to have the most fun with that, 287 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 5: with the not the main character, but the one that's 288 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 5: a little quirky and offbeat totally. 289 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:22,520 Speaker 4: And I also look in the mirror every day and 290 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 4: so I know my face looks like so it makes sense. 291 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 5: But you know what, though, I always think that there 292 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 5: is something to be said for being a consistently working 293 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 5: character or theater actor where you're like, I just get 294 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 5: to do what I love in all different kinds of variations, 295 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 5: and I don't have to, like, you know, be perfect 296 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 5: for it. I don't have like I feel like that sometimes. 297 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: Can you know when. 298 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 5: That's the goal is to like be this thing, it's 299 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 5: you know, you lose some of the fun and the 300 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 5: playfulness and the outrageousness of acting and playing and doing 301 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 5: all that. 302 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 2: And I think, you know, as kids, we got to 303 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 2: do it all the time. 304 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:06,520 Speaker 4: I had a mentor in college that she was great. 305 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 4: She was from Britain and she I remember she cast 306 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 4: me in this one role that was like the leading 307 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 4: name and I looked at her and I was like, 308 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 4: what are you doing? And she was like, I think 309 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 4: you need to work on Well. I'll get emotional about 310 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 4: it because it's kind of stayed with me forever that 311 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 4: you're not and that you have the strength, and I 312 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 4: think you're handsome, and I think that you're charming, and 313 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 4: I think you're all the qualities of the leading man. 314 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 4: You don't know that yet, and you need to. I mean, 315 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 4: good God, what a lesson. 316 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, a good teacher and a good acting 317 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 5: class is really just on your feet therapy, working through 318 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 5: various things. 319 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 4: Her name is Sarah Ship and she's not dead. She's 320 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 4: still loves but she yeah she was. She was incremental 321 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 4: and yeah, so I'll drop her. 322 00:16:00,240 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: Like being the leading man for the first time, did 323 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: you end up believing in yourself that you're enough? 324 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,560 Speaker 4: I started filing into this thing because then during my 325 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 4: second tour of duty here in La I started a 326 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 4: film company, like in my twenties, because I was just 327 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 4: I was auditioning for a lot of physical gags, right, 328 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 4: So I was doing improv in my twenties. I was 329 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 4: at UCB when it first started. Did that for seven years, 330 00:16:25,640 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 4: ran the gamut because I was like, you know, when 331 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:29,960 Speaker 4: you're five to one, you should at least be funny. 332 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 4: Let's figure it out. So did all that and we 333 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 4: started this little, tiny independent film company. And I remember 334 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 4: telling the guy that ended up directing all of it 335 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 4: was doing a lot of the camera operating. I said, 336 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:45,600 Speaker 4: I want to do the non traditional man Ben Stiller 337 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 4: or not as saving to save these days Woody Allen. 338 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 4: But that I kind of got addicted to the idea 339 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 4: of making that work. And the first short film we 340 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 4: did is just like a little round commerce me in 341 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 4: a five 't ten blonde actress that I met in 342 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,600 Speaker 4: improv class. Her name is Norika Patrick and she used 343 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,719 Speaker 4: to play in Edward Sharp and she's a phone director. 344 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 4: Now that was a just on this, you know theme 345 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 4: of sort of me figuring that out. I remember when 346 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 4: to a couple of festivals and these old ladies, and 347 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 4: the audiences they were like I forgot how short you 348 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 4: were within five minutes because the chemistry was so good, 349 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 4: and I was like, okay, cool, gool cool, cool. 350 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 5: What an amazing I mean that what a testament to 351 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 5: like reminding people that it's you know, the outer stuff, 352 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 5: the outer package is not the most interesting part of anything. 353 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 5: You know, it's not the most interesting part to watch 354 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,959 Speaker 5: on screen. It's not the most interesting part to you know, 355 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:49,959 Speaker 5: watch in real life. Like it's the underneath stuff that 356 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 5: makes someone attractive or interesting. 357 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 4: Yeah. And because I you know, I'm like semi retired 358 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 4: from acting, I get pulled out once in a while, 359 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 4: but I might have like a resurgence in my brain 360 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 4: and then my old here because I've kind of felt 361 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,280 Speaker 4: like the older gray or balder I get, the more 362 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 4: interesting I am, Like. 363 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,360 Speaker 2: You know, you know what it is. 364 00:18:07,440 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 5: It's the it's uh the less you give too, Yes, 365 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 5: you get like as all I am in my forties 366 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 5: now and it's I'm they're just they're flying off daily 367 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 5: and it's so great. But I think that makes for 368 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 5: like a whole It's sort of a creative resurgence because 369 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 5: all of a sudden you're like, wait, all the stuff 370 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 5: that I kind of didn't try or think I could 371 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 5: or what I want to do it now? 372 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:33,240 Speaker 2: Like what do I have to lose? Who cares? 373 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 5: It's sort of like the good side of a of 374 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 5: a a midlife crisis, but a midlife questioning, a midlife 375 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 5: digging deeper of what's next. 376 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 4: Forty five year old is the best version if you're 377 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 4: buying action figures, that's the one we get. And like 378 00:18:48,040 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 4: it took a bit, I mean, you know, not to 379 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 4: be like overly whatever, but my my pizza and valleys. 380 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 4: I really have lived seven of my nine cat lives. 381 00:18:57,080 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 4: But I'm not tired, and I feel like it's it's 382 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:03,800 Speaker 4: kind of the killer second half of my book that 383 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 4: I'm excited about because and this is going to sound 384 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:11,959 Speaker 4: really hippie dippy and preach, you know, I lived a 385 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 4: part of my life and not even though I was healthy. 386 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 4: I lived a large part of my life not only 387 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 4: growing up in the industry, as you guys know, but 388 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 4: I also grew up very, very religious, and although we 389 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 4: didn't really wear it on our sleeves, it was a 390 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 4: part of my life every day week and my friends 391 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 4: were a part of it, all that stuff. And so 392 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 4: when I came to that sort of crossroads late in life, 393 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,199 Speaker 4: like in my twenties, where I was like is this 394 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 4: for me? I just learned a lot about them myself. 395 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 4: And so I think that most people, or at least 396 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 4: a fall amount of people, don't get the opportunity to 397 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 4: push pause on their life and really separate and do 398 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 4: it's kind of a cliche term, but to do their 399 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 4: work and to to really figure out who you are internally, 400 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 4: so the second half of your life can be for 401 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 4: you rather than the expectation of other people. 402 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's brilliant, as I think the three of us 403 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 5: here have all done a lot of that work. 404 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 2: Uh, yay therapy, yay therapy. 405 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 5: If we're always on the show, like therapy is, yes, 406 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 5: talk to people, talk to do the work. 407 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: Do the work. 408 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 4: I started painting in my forties. Yes, I have no training. 409 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 4: My sister's the painter. She has two visual arts degrees. 410 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 4: I was doing. I was doing a player. I was 411 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:45,280 Speaker 4: playing Oedipus and it's really fed up thing I wrote 412 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 4: with Antigony and Oedipus and it was sort of I 413 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 4: fictionally called it lars w and Sophocles because it looked 414 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 4: like a lars warm true right, And I was like, 415 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 4: for this, like research, I want to like fiddle around 416 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 4: the painting I've literally never taken seriously. So I asked 417 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 4: my sister. I was like, what do I get? Where 418 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 4: I get them? What do I go to Michael's? Do 419 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: I go to blin? 420 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 2: What I did? 421 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 4: And she was giving me some pointed She's like, oh, 422 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 4: how fun. And I started banging it out and because 423 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 4: full circle, I got zero to good. I can approach 424 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 4: this art form which normally you're gonna get stuck and 425 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 4: tricky if you overthink it and if you judge it. 426 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 4: I don't care. So I just threw it down. I 427 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 4: showed her a picture of this guy and she didn't 428 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 4: tunk me for three weeks because she was like, I'm 429 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 4: so pissed that you're just like good at you know. 430 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 4: And then I like I started selling them stuff and 431 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 4: she was I was like, look, also, we can't get 432 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:44,840 Speaker 4: the ten and bombs and we can't have like sibling 433 00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 4: rivalry in authority. You're always going to be better than me. 434 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 4: But I have to do this for my swit. So like, yeah, 435 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 4: this is the reason I bring it up is not 436 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:56,199 Speaker 4: to tell promote, but like this is an example of 437 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 4: me not caring, not care. 438 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:01,919 Speaker 5: I have a dear friend of mine, Jen passed alof 439 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 5: who is an incredible author and wrote a book, a 440 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,959 Speaker 5: memoir called On Being Human, which I highly recommend if 441 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 5: you're looking to do it. But she's a dear friend 442 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 5: of mine, and she did the same thing. She was 443 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 5: going through a divorce and all of a sudden, it's 444 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 5: like she just has all of this energy. She's more 445 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,440 Speaker 5: probably add than I am, but I love her and 446 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 5: she just started painting and like she's really great. 447 00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 2: And. 448 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's that reminder that like, just try new things, 449 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 5: try new ways of expressing yourself, particularly at this time 450 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 5: in your life when you're like, oh wait, I actually 451 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 5: care a lot less about what people think. Go find 452 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 5: ways to be create, are artistically creative, and let that 453 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 5: part of your soul out, because I think we spend 454 00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 5: like the first half of our lives really trying to 455 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 5: fit in the box that everyone else builds for us, 456 00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 5: and then we spend the second half like taking that 457 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 5: box apart and building our own, you know. 458 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 4: Well totally, And that's the thing that like not to 459 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 4: get into the weeds about, but like with a a 460 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,359 Speaker 4: giant backplack of religious trauma, I really had to figure 461 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 4: out you know, oh my gosh, some of these little 462 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,159 Speaker 4: tic tac things were literally things I was just saluting to. 463 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 4: These decisions were not my decisions at all, and they 464 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 4: formed a lot of stuff. So there has been a 465 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 4: lot of untethering. And they call it with faith crisis 466 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:28,479 Speaker 4: is deprogramming, and it's been really interesting. You know, it's 467 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 4: not right for everybody. I don't want to like talk 468 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 4: about that and then be a hypocrite by preaching about 469 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:35,760 Speaker 4: not doing that. 470 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 5: No, I think, well, I think like with anything that 471 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 5: you know, de feminism all that the thing is that 472 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 5: you have the choice if this is something of a 473 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 5: journey that you want to take and something that isn't 474 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,800 Speaker 5: working for you, then go go take that journey. If 475 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 5: the faith is working for you, you feel cool with it, 476 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 5: then that works for you. You know, it's all about choice. 477 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 5: But I love that, like, this is the journey that 478 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 5: you've been on, and I think so many of our 479 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:06,360 Speaker 5: listeners will really connect with that, and also the idea 480 00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 5: of like knowing you as sort of this you know, 481 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 5: Walter Duckface character and then like you had to deal 482 00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 5: with some of those real life things in your own 483 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,680 Speaker 5: life and come through it just like Walter would have 484 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 5: probably had we followed along on his story and figured 485 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 5: out who he was at forty five. 486 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,680 Speaker 2: You know, so like I'm not I'm not. 487 00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 4: Lying what I'm telling you that in was it college 488 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 4: or was it high school? I think it was like 489 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 4: early college. I went on two separtates. I remember this vividly, 490 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 4: and and they both said, you know, and moments where 491 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 4: it's like, oh, okay, maybe this is when we kiss 492 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 4: and they said, am I your secret girlfriend? 493 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 3: Oh no, no, right, no, yeah? 494 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, Ben, Yeah, that's paying that. 495 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 4: Oh And I was like shops clothed, shops closed, that 496 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 4: was real weird. Yeah, that's a deal breaker, you know, 497 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 4: like that's that's a note for Meg. 498 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's you know, it's amazing how many people out 499 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 5: there think that that. 500 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: And I guess, you know. 501 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 4: I think they're intentional. I think the intention is fir. 502 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 5: I guess it's always the thing that I say to 503 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 5: people where I go, you know, people like, yeah, but 504 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 5: you're famous, Like, isn't that cool? And I always say that, like, 505 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 5: I think the idea of being known and famous, yeah, 506 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 5: is really great. But when you try that on, there 507 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:39,199 Speaker 5: are definitely certain parts of it that that irritate, you 508 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:39,680 Speaker 5: know what I mean? 509 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: That are great. 510 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 5: Certain parts of it look amazing and fabulous and it's 511 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 5: all you know, you feel great, and but then certain 512 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,120 Speaker 5: parts of it are just constantly irritating and itchy as 513 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 5: you wear that that idea of There was. 514 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 4: A long time when I really really tried desperately to 515 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 4: separate myself from being a kid actor, even I was 516 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 4: still acting, even though I still love theaters and I 517 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 4: was entrenched in it and discovering it like having a 518 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 4: love affair with it for the first time all over again. 519 00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 4: But I tried really hard to kind of separate myself. 520 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:17,919 Speaker 4: And then the pandemic happened and I had and I 521 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 4: think you guys know this world too. Now. I'd never 522 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 4: done any conventions, and because I have some horror stuff 523 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 4: and some animation stuff and nostalgia stuff like that, Like 524 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 4: I could go and kind of reach a bunch of 525 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 4: different boxes, but I'd never done it because I was 526 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,480 Speaker 4: maybe pretentious, maybe just like shy about it. 527 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, there is a certain element of being like, oh, 528 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 5: I don't know, do it like does this feel weird? 529 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 5: Does it feel you know? And now I actually love 530 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 5: doing them because the fans. 531 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 4: Love it, like I do them now all the time, 532 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 4: and they're so sweet. 533 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 5: It's such a joy to be able to go and 534 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 5: have people respond so positively. And I think also that 535 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 5: is something that comes with age, I will say it, 536 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 5: the the understanding and. 537 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:06,000 Speaker 2: Appreciation of just what these characters mean to people. 538 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 5: I think does it hit you until you're of that 539 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 5: age where you go, oh yeah, yeah, Like my childhood 540 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 5: memories are like that too, you know, and it once 541 00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 5: you have enough distance from it, you're like, Okay, that's 542 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 5: not all I am. But I'm okay with leaning into 543 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:22,120 Speaker 5: that part. 544 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 4: Well. And here's a really cool thing that I've been 545 00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 4: sort of obsessed with lately. This thought is that you know. Yes, 546 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 4: it's great to not live your life in sort of 547 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 4: a narcissistic, self serving way, but also to be of service. Right, So, like, 548 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 4: I'm in a play right now that I wrote that 549 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 4: we're going to do here in September, here in La. 550 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 4: It's a big bucket list thing for me, and I 551 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 4: wanted to act in it. And I've directed eighteen of 552 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 4: my theater company's shows previously, all of them. And it's 553 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 4: a checkoff play. I'm obsessed with check off. I could 554 00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 4: do four hours. 555 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: What plays that. I love Chekhov It's Van. 556 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'm playing Van. Yet you have to come. 557 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: I want to come, okay. 558 00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 4: Because here's the other thing. I love Chekov And not 559 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 4: to like throw a shade or seem like I'm a 560 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 4: bitter dude. I'm just really punk rock this way. Like 561 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,600 Speaker 4: there's been a couple Bondies this year. It seemed quite 562 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 4: precious and quite American, and what I wanted was to 563 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,480 Speaker 4: get to like the teeth and the backbone. Anyway, point 564 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: of this whole story, outside of clearly pleasure. 565 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 5: Is that you should We would ask you do you 566 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 5: have stuff to play? 567 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 2: And this? Yeah? This, I will be there. 568 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is it there and my company is called 569 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 4: a Riot Act and we're on Instagram or whatever. But 570 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 4: the part of it was that, like I, I didn't 571 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 4: want to do double duty and direct and a lot 572 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,720 Speaker 4: of acting. I just not I didn't want to do that. 573 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,920 Speaker 4: So I wrote the adaptation. And then I met this dude. 574 00:28:56,040 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 4: He's he's a kid, twenty three. He took this sort 575 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 4: of weirdo acting workshop I taught last year, and he's 576 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 4: a cal Arts grad and he's he's a genius. And 577 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 4: I thought, you know what, here's where people at our 578 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 4: age go. They don't look towards the past from the 579 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 4: people that inspired them, and they certainly don't look at 580 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 4: like the younger generation and going like you have something 581 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 4: to say that I really need to hear. They're finished products, 582 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 4: they're baked in and that is totally where you get 583 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: in trouble. 584 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 5: Well, as we get older, we get more set in 585 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,560 Speaker 5: our ways, and that's like the worst possible thing for 586 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 5: creativity and just humans really like always be learning and 587 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 5: changing addition stuff. 588 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 4: So I'm excited because I've just kind of said, hey, man, 589 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 4: here's my brand, here's my baby that I established in 590 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,440 Speaker 4: London that like, you know, I don't have kids, so 591 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,600 Speaker 4: my plays are my kids. And I said, I'm gonna 592 00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 4: I'm gonna let you take them for the weekend. And 593 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 4: I want you to like, take this play and do 594 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 4: it your way, don't try to impress me. And I'm 595 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 4: just gonna be of service to you to send the 596 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 4: elevator back down to give it to people, and to say, 597 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 4: here's the stuff I've learned, take it or leave it. 598 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 4: That's kind of what I live for these days. I 599 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 4: live for being like some strange stage guru pirate. That's 600 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 4: what I want to be. 601 00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 5: I am totally here for your strange sage guru pirate era. 602 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 2: I think it's excellent. 603 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 5: I think we all need a stage guru pirate in 604 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 5: our corner who will tell us the truth. And I 605 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 5: love hearing about your all of your nine lives. And 606 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 5: this wraps up part one of our interview with the 607 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 5: beloved wit Hertford, known to our dear fan of Rito's 608 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 5: as Duckface. Although I hate that he still has that moniker, but. 609 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 3: It just it's gonna follow him every day. 610 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: Now, it's what it is. 611 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 5: But wit has shared so many incredible memories with us already, 612 00:30:57,320 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 5: but there's still so much more to dive into, so 613 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 5: make sure to join us this Friday for part two 614 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 5: with Wit and We're so glad you joined us for 615 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 5: another episode of how Rude Tanner Rito's. 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So you guys, here's to another fabulous episode 626 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 5: of How Rude Tana Rito's. Now, I feel like we 627 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 5: changed the outro? 628 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 4: We did? 629 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 3: Did you write it down? 630 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:40,920 Speaker 2: Oh crap? 631 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 3: And we don't have a bracelet. We don't have a 632 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 3: cheat sheet. 633 00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 5: You see this is I'm out here, I'm flying blind. 634 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: Uh oh wait, I remember what it was. It was? 635 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 5: It was, uh, the world is the world is full, 636 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 5: but the door is always open. 637 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 2: Now the world is small, but the door is always open. 638 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 2: I think that was I think that might sounds right. 639 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 5: Okay, well, we'll go with that this week until you know, 640 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 5: I get a braceletter, write it down.