WEBVTT - Episode 220 - Monster's Legacy 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:04.320 Of the law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable. 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:07.120 We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:09.159 vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. 0:00:09.480 --> 0:00:10.600 These are our stories. 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:29.760 Done done, Yay, that's messed up. 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:31.280 An SVU podcast. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.600 I am Lisa and I'm Kara, and you guys, I 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.880 mean hopefully it's episode two twenty. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:38.519 You get it. It's a shita. 0:00:39.000 --> 0:00:42.160 We talk about an episode of SVU, we talk about 0:00:42.200 --> 0:00:44.559 the true crime that it was based on, and then 0:00:44.720 --> 0:00:50.159 sometimes we interview somebody and first we just chitchat, catch up, 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:52.160 rant about the state of the world. 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:56.160 You guys know what we do. Well, I'm at you know, 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:57.560 I'm post soul cycle. 0:00:57.760 --> 0:01:00.560 And today it was an EDM class, so I was 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:03.280 I thought I was gonna hate it. I think I'm 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:07.080 into EDM. Yeah, like it was really fun and she 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:11.480 did such a good job, Rachel. But then after class 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.400 it was her and a few other you know, class participants, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:18.240 and I go, I didn't know, I like, DVM, this 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.320 this was so fun and she goes, yeah, it's just 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:24.319 like nostalgic, you know, reminds me of high school. I'm like, sure, 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:28.280 You're sure bitch. She's like, it's twenty fourteen. You know, 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:29.880 it's just so nostalgic. 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:37.560 Oh my god, yeah yeah, sure, absolutely, yeah, that's so funny. 0:01:37.760 --> 0:01:38.080 I know. 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:40.880 And they were like, yeah, reminds me of school dances. 0:01:41.040 --> 0:01:43.920 I was like truly mid twenties. It was just like 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:51.760 I was like getting married. Wow, so funny. And the comics. Now, 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:54.880 I was at the cellar and they're all like twenty six, 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.559 twenty seven, and that was me, you know at some point. 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:02.000 But they're all surprised I'm thirty seven. But I think 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:05.640 it's the like I live an immature lifestyle. Maybe they 0:02:05.640 --> 0:02:06.640 were all really shocked. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:08.680 Well yeah, I get that. 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:11.359 I mean they're like whoa, And I'm like, well, yeah, 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:12.760 I've I've achieved a lot. 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:14.560 It would be crazy if I was your age. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:17.000 Right, yes, But I think also when you're twenty like 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:19.200 five or six, you think thirty seven is super old, 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:19.600 and it's not. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:21.840 It's young, you know, like I think that's young. 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.840 So yeah, I mean I was Okay, So my brother 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:28.080 was in town. My brother, Colin show only member of 0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:29.520 my family that listens to the pod. 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.519 I brought him up on a different podcast just yesterday. 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.200 I actually talk about Colin a lot because of the 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.040 seven days on, seven days off schedule. 0:02:38.120 --> 0:02:40.440 Does I'm both ordering the duck I feel also makes 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:41.000 its way it. 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:45.600 Yeah, but I just think that's like such a good lifestyle. 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:46.840 Oh yeah. 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:48.480 But then, well it was funny because it was Ian 0:02:48.560 --> 0:02:52.360 Laura's podcast and I was like talking about doctors. I'm like, 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.200 it is a hard job. I'm like, it's really intensive, 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:55.680 Like I would never want my child to have to 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.320 work that hard. And he's like, but it's honorable. Well, 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:00.400 while we talk about the schedule, he goes. But even 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:02.800 then it's like seven days you have to you're getting back, 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:06.560 you know, recovering. I go, well, no, he's gay. He's traveling. 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.680 And yeah, well you didn't mention that. They're like, you 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.679 didn't mention that he was gay. No, oh yeah, you 0:03:11.800 --> 0:03:14.880 got Eurovision. I'm like, he's not acclimating. They're like, yeah, 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.280 the gays don't really need rest. I go, no, no, no. 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:22.120 Going from the hospital to Hawaii, yeah no. 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.120 And he was in Vegas and then he was at 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:25.919 a conference in la and then he came to stay 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.520 with us for a few days, and so wildly I 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:33.280 had tickets to go see Anitra at this place in Wiho, 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:36.600 and sadly it got postpone because of the fires, and 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:38.600 then it got rescheduled to when he was in town. 0:03:38.640 --> 0:03:40.680 So I just got him my ticket, perfect, perfect. 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:44.320 So we go and he was like it was just funny, 0:03:44.320 --> 0:03:46.280 because he was like, it is funny that you're as 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:48.080 old as you are, and like you have two kids, 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:49.560 and like you are at a drag show with me 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:50.840 at like midnight right now, you. 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:51.600 Know, like I do. 0:03:51.720 --> 0:03:54.040 I you're as old as you feel, you know, like 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.680 you're I feel like I feel much younger than I am, 0:03:56.720 --> 0:03:59.080 and I try to stay young, but like you know, 0:03:59.520 --> 0:04:01.640 I also was extremely tired after going out with him 0:04:01.680 --> 0:04:03.840 two nights in a row, Like, I was very tired. 0:04:04.040 --> 0:04:06.440 Wait, how is what else did you guys do? 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:07.000 Well? 0:04:07.120 --> 0:04:10.160 So we went to see Anitra and it was awesome. 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:12.120 It's just like one of those things where like the 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:14.360 watching the show. I love watching the show at watch parties, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:15.760 like I love going to bars to watch it. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:16.320 It's so fun. 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:19.960 The whole crowd reacts like did you watch last week's episode? 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.719 Yeah, I'm watching every week. Yeah, I'm into I'm into it. 0:04:22.760 --> 0:04:26.760 They're talented, yeah yeah, and they're down to fight a 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:29.320 little you know, like they're giving. They're giving, and you 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:33.040 can sort of see like who people like, like. 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.520 People at this bar and this was like a big bar. 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.479 There's like a big club kind of in Weho and 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.359 you could tell they were like huge. Arietti stands like 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:45.640 even before she won sorry spoiler alert, everybody like before 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.839 she like won the challenge, like people were like obsessed 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:50.560 and yeah. 0:04:50.480 --> 0:04:52.320 I was talking to some people that weren't that indoor. 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:55.760 I'm like that final outfit was incredible, the coral glasses, nails, 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.280 the little suit like I was in. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:01.240 I loved that outfit, a lion fit. She looked amazing 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.920 as the lionfish. Like I was showing my kids last 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:06.120 night because we read a ocean book, and I go, 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:07.640 do you guys want to see the challenge from drag Race? 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.560 It was amazing And I was showing them the runway. 0:05:09.720 --> 0:05:11.479 I go, look how much that looks like a Spanish answer. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.800 Rosie was like yeah, like I'm indoctrinating them. 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:16.360 It's crazy. 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:20.479 But then so then Anitra and this other queen who's 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:21.600 like local, and I feel bad. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.919 I forgot, Oh my god, look at what I'm holding. Okay, 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.479 do you see this oh god, lipstick. Yes, but is 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:29.480 it or is it a lie? 0:05:30.800 --> 0:05:31.400 I love that. 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.440 So it looks like the lipstick that on All Stars 0:05:35.440 --> 0:05:37.599 they used to eliminate each other, but it's red and 0:05:37.640 --> 0:05:39.440 then when you take off the cap, it's a lighter. 0:05:39.800 --> 0:05:41.000 I love that. That's fun. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:43.320 It was a gift from a couple of gays in 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:44.760 San Francisco that I love. 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:46.919 I was like, that's a gift from somebody who knows you. 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.000 That's very good. That's a very good gift. 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.280 And this queen that I don't know, and they just 0:05:56.360 --> 0:05:58.800 kind of comment during commercial breaks, which is cute and funny. 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.440 And then afterwards, so you're like, Okay, can I see 0:06:01.440 --> 0:06:03.920 the show now, and like they're like, are you guys. 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.600 Ready for anitra? Wait ten more minutes. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.000 And then it would be other queens and then they'd 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.679 be like, anitra will be out here in five more minutes. 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:12.839 And it was like just we were just waiting and 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:17.080 waiting and waiting for anitra. But Anuitra famously canceled. So 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.159 I was just happy that she showed. She put on 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:21.560 a great show. She did like a she did like 0:06:21.560 --> 0:06:25.400 a dualipa medley kind of which, by the way, Analise 0:06:25.520 --> 0:06:28.680 is covering us today for Casey, and Analise is a 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:31.200 huge du Alipa fan. So if you haven't checked out 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:33.520 the Antra, I mean, if you haven't, I'm just gonna 0:06:33.560 --> 0:06:36.799 say go see Anutral live. She does a Dualipa medley. 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:41.239 And then we went to Pisia Palace, this place in 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:44.600 La that's like Indian Italian fusion and it was so good. 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.400 And then what'd you get? 0:06:47.680 --> 0:06:51.280 We got this delicious like bread that had like chili 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:53.120 on it, but it was like it was like an 0:06:53.120 --> 0:06:54.440 Indian version of garlic bread. 0:06:54.440 --> 0:06:54.960 It was so good. 0:06:55.000 --> 0:06:58.040 And then we got this pasta that was super spicy 0:06:58.080 --> 0:06:59.720 and like an Indian spicy sauce. 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.200 And then we got a pizza that had like green 0:07:01.279 --> 0:07:02.200 chili on It was spicy. 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.440 This stuff was but not like crazy, like I can 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:06.599 handle a medium level of spice and it was like 0:07:06.680 --> 0:07:07.200 pretty good. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:11.200 And then the next night we. 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.080 Went to uh oh and by the way, as I 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.040 was walking out of an etress, somebody said, oh my god, 0:07:15.040 --> 0:07:16.600 I love your podcast and I was like, thank you 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:18.160 so much, so hello to you. 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:19.760 I'm sorry I didn't get to say hi. It was loud. 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.440 And then the next night I went to Chris Fairbanks 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.480 had a birthday party. Another I was gonna play the 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:29.040 Getty to you because I thought you would think that 0:07:29.120 --> 0:07:32.840 was funny. They basically had like they had a step 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.840 and repeat like backdrop for a photo booth, and then 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:38.520 they had like the Getty Images label like hanging down 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:41.240 so that it like looks like we're all in Getty Images, 0:07:41.280 --> 0:07:42.400 which is really funny. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:45.920 Obviously you can tell. But it was really funny. 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:48.559 And I met Chris's sister who loves our podcast, loves 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.640 you loves our pod, and she was so sweet. And 0:07:52.720 --> 0:07:55.000 then the next actually that's actually the best. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.280 It happens to you at the cellar too, like comics 0:07:57.360 --> 0:07:59.520 was like, oh my god, my sister, my childhood friend 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:03.240 or someone. Yeah, listens to the pod, so thanks so much. 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:07.640 We love that comedians know who really runs this town, Jay, Yeah, 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:08.679 but thanks for listening. 0:08:09.160 --> 0:08:11.480 No, it was funny because I saw Logan Gunzulman, who's 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:14.640 a comic that you're also, and she was like, oh, 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:16.680 I got a text Liza, because you know, she was 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.360 like she she loves SVU and Law and Order as well. 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.160 But that was really fun that party. 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:26.560 And then the next day I ran into another listener 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:30.160 at a trampoline park where I took my kids. 0:08:30.360 --> 0:08:35.880 Was this the same trampoline park from the fire like evacuation. 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:39.439 Or franchise because that was down in the San Diego area. 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:41.440 This is the one that's in the LA area. But yes, 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:45.360 same franchise, So you guys are now a trampoline park family. 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:48.520 I'm gonna say that I did buy the membership because 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:51.920 one visit is the same as one month membership. So 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:53.439 I'm gonna cancel it, but I'm gonna take them a 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.160 bunch of times this month. Okay, great, great, great, great, 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:57.080 you know I love a deal. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:59.880 Wait did you watch the Super Bowl? Did you go 0:08:59.880 --> 0:09:01.080 to a friend's house? Uh? 0:09:01.160 --> 0:09:03.840 Yes, we went to our friend's house to watch. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:07.400 The Super Bowl and then our sports friends or someone else. 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:08.200 Where'd you go? 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:08.720 It was? 0:09:08.760 --> 0:09:10.200 I went to my friend Valentina's house. 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:13.160 She's my friend through Rosie's school, and like she lives 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:14.840 a couple of blocks for me, and she had a 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:19.000 nice party and uh, like tons of food and some 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:20.720 guy that owns a beer company brought all this beer 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.240 and then we and then I but I wasn't really 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.480 paying attention to the game that much because Philly was 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:28.360 just kind of whipping them from the beginning. But then 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.720 I obviously sat and like watched the halftime show, and 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:34.760 I watched it with like a very precocious eleven year 0:09:34.760 --> 0:09:37.680 old who, like is was so cool and he just 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.800 knew everything and was we were just like him and 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:41.560 I were just like vibing, were like, oh my god, 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:43.640 Drake must be in a hole right now. Like we 0:09:43.640 --> 0:09:45.880 were just like me and this eleven year old kid 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:48.440 were just like talking about the halftime show the whole 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:50.320 time because a lot of people at the party were like, oh, 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:52.000 I guess I don't know that much of Kendrick's music, 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:53.760 and I'm not like the biggest Kendrick fan, but I 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:55.280 do know a lot of the music and was like, 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:56.720 I was into the halftime show. 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:58.360 How about you? What it was your Super Bowl? 0:09:58.760 --> 0:10:03.400 Well, I I don't listen to rap, but I was in. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:05.360 I mean, I loved it from the moment. 0:10:05.440 --> 0:10:10.800 And usually I also don't like men performance so hotly famously, 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.839 so I'm glad that Sizza was there, but like, I 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.280 loved it. And then I was watching with fun people, 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:21.000 the same people again, so Sidney, Marie, Amina Matteo. So 0:10:21.040 --> 0:10:23.120 it was Sydney's birthday party. So we actually did a 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:24.800 painting party, like a sip and paint. 0:10:25.120 --> 0:10:25.640 Oh. 0:10:25.679 --> 0:10:31.040 I loved it. We painted Snoopy on turntables. Wow. And 0:10:31.240 --> 0:10:33.400 it was on the Lower East Side and I loved it. 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.960 I want to do more painting parties. I felt so accomplished. 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:38.560 It was cute, Like, yeah, I loved it. It was 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:41.480 such a creative, fun birthday like I've never done one 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:43.640 of those, so it was really a good time. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:45.520 But then we went to the Cellar. 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:47.640 They closed down the Cellar for it was a super 0:10:47.640 --> 0:10:50.920 Bowl every year, and they have like plates shaped like 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.920 footballs and tablecloths that look like the field. 0:10:54.040 --> 0:10:59.360 So I like that. But I just but Sydney right 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:00.200 away yelled. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.880 Look at those Flair jeans, and then that was all 0:11:03.920 --> 0:11:06.400 of Instagram. Was just like Drake, you had a tiny 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.480 man and flares really come for you. 0:11:08.600 --> 0:11:09.840 Yeah, this is human. 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.480 Oh my god, those Celene jeans, those Celene jeans. I 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.640 was like, if I if I had laid my eyes 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:17.360 on those in college, I would have been I would 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:19.400 have been love at first sight, like, oh my god. 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.120 But I I you know, Samuel L. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.160 Jackson's in my top five favorite like actors of all 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:30.960 time and so I just was so into seeing him. 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:31.880 I like the lamp post. 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:34.880 I mean I guessed when I saw Serena, I gas, yeah, 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:36.920 Like I. 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.840 Just was so into it all. 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.480 And afterwards though, one of my friends was like, damn, 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:44.240 like Usher was more fun last year. 0:11:44.320 --> 0:11:46.880 I go, honey, that was a party. We're fighting fascism. 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:51.360 Yeah, she goes suns over, Yeah, she goes Damn, you're right. 0:11:51.360 --> 0:11:52.719 I'm like, he did that in the in front of 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:53.600 the fucking president. 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.240 Yeah. It has never gone to a super Bowl before. 0:11:56.280 --> 0:11:57.840 I didn't know that. Ok. 0:11:57.880 --> 0:12:01.920 It was so dark because like I was really into 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:06.120 the pre star Spangl Banner performances and then like the 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.600 star Spangle banner I'm into, and then when they cut 0:12:08.640 --> 0:12:11.160 to him and then like military and Gray, I'm like, 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:14.400 this is so fucking dark. But like, yeah, you know, 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:16.959 I keep like ranting and raving that no one's cool anymore, 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:18.800 no one's punk rock. People are now like what is 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:21.360 it called compulsory like compliance? 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:24.360 Yeah, oh yeah, Like people are changing. 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:30.000 They're something like that, Like they're already taking like fitting 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.359 into the things before it's even mandated. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.360 Like Disney is changing language. 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:36.640 Everyone's doing this stuff, and it's like whoa are we 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:41.240 not fighting this? Yeah, and so it's just kind of 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:45.080 like a dark, fucked up time and to have someone 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:49.200 be that badass, does it tease being sued? Said his 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.079 name while smiling at the camera. But yeah, So obviously 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.400 all of like the imagery and everything that probably you know, 0:12:55.440 --> 0:12:56.560 a lot went over my head. 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:58.719 But I obviously had to watch a lot of the 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:01.400 tiktoks that broke down, lot of the Easter eggs and 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:02.560 stuff that I did not know. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:03.360 But it was a. 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:07.040 Very black super Bowl, and and like with Grant, it 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:13.800 just it was exciting, and I hope it's not the last. 0:13:14.040 --> 0:13:15.920 Like a part of me is like, are they just 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.440 letting us have a hurrah before we're done? Like I'm 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.840 so scared. But I loved how black the super Bowl 0:13:21.840 --> 0:13:24.040 felt like it was. And maybe it's because I watched 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:25.840 with a bunch of black people, but like it just 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.160 fell No. They kept they kept saying, they kept, they 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.360 kept saying, I can't believe how black they're letting Kendrick be. 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:32.960 I can't believe how black this is. And you know, 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:35.559 just the black body is making the flag. I mean, 0:13:35.600 --> 0:13:39.360 it was really badass. And so I'm sorry if you 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:44.360 know some people in the Midwest weren't entertained, but yeah, 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:45.040 this was huge. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:45.840 It was exciting. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.760 And then my soul cycle teacher played the Super Bowl 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:53.920 Kendrick with Samuel Jackson in class, and so I was zooming. 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:56.720 I was motivated, and then she went straight into the 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.120 Challengers soundtrack, wh. 0:14:00.520 --> 0:14:05.239 Like I couldn't I've been uh well. 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.640 On Saturday, I went to two soul cycles back to back. 0:14:08.160 --> 0:14:10.080 Oh yes, you told me you were gonna do that. 0:14:11.880 --> 0:14:14.280 I not only survived, I thrived. The music was amazing, 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:17.000 Like I went by so fast, honestly, like I was like, oh, 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:19.000 I should do two a day's every weekend. 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.160 Were you You weren't hurting extra like the next day 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.560 or anything. No, Honestly, her Tuesday class that was one 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.000 hurt more because maybe because I went hard, I don't know. 0:14:28.400 --> 0:14:32.080 But it was also two tailor songs of every album. 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:34.560 So I was like in I was, I was just 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:39.200 floating high. So yeah, I'm like so, But I also 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.000 like Jalen Hurts is so hot. Saquon Barley's children. There 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:46.480 was a lot of babies on the field, and obviously 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.400 I love I love Taylor Travis. The three peat would 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.600 have been nice. I have not contacted my friend Caleb yet, 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:52.400 but I know I was. 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.720 I was wondering if you were watching with him. No, 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:56.520 I bandwagon so fast. 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.880 I started cheering for the Eagles at the first intercession, 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:03.240 like I dropped the Chiefs immediately. No, once I found 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:06.960 out Jalen Hurts had an all female management team, like, uh, manager, agent, 0:15:07.120 --> 0:15:07.640 account all. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:09.320 Obviously, I'm sure. 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.480 And then Travis of course said, I'm happy the President's coming, 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:13.840 so yeah, I want you to lose. 0:15:13.880 --> 0:15:16.760 It's like it did feel like mass that's yeah. 0:15:16.800 --> 0:15:18.120 They were like in one of the interviews, like how 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:19.440 do you feel he goes, it's an honor to have 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:21.560 like a president come to the game. Whatever, And then 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:23.200 when they asked Jalen Hurts, he goes, I don't know, 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.800 he can be there. I don't care. So yeah, it's 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:27.600 like it is, it is what it is. But Jalen 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.760 Hurts is only twenty six. That is a grown ass man, Like, wow, 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.200 twenty six. It just it was an exciting It was 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:37.160 a boring game because of the blowout, but I really 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.920 love like, you know, one of the interceptions, it was 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:41.760 a rookie player on his birthday. 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.560 Oh wow, that's so fund. 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:48.360 Jean and I guess that position he plays as notoriously black. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.480 So then everyone's like the de I white, like running 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.880 back did it or not running back? 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:54.160 Whatever? 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.200 The defense Twitter's me, I mean, not Twitter, but like Instagram. 0:15:57.240 --> 0:15:59.600 The meme people are so funny. It's really incredible how 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:03.800 funny one is and how I feel, Like, Yeah, I cried. 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:05.200 I cried. You know. 0:16:05.240 --> 0:16:05.680 They had the. 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:10.600 Voice Sekwan Barley like Barkley, They like played a voicemail 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:13.840 that his daughter left him before the game about like 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:16.000 you are gonna win at and then it's like him 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:17.720 and the kids on the field. Yeah, and then the 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:20.640 next video of him is just like shotgunning a beer shirtless, 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:21.080 and I'm like. 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:23.640 God, wait, I saw some video of a guy too 0:16:23.720 --> 0:16:25.480 that was on the field with his dad when he 0:16:25.600 --> 0:16:27.640 was little, and then he's wearing his dad's number. 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:30.680 He won. Oh, let's not cry. We're not gonna cry. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:32.920 I saw that this morning and was like, well, that's 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:33.560 so sweet. 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:37.520 I also cried during the Women in Sports commercial, like 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:40.400 it was Caitlin Clark and the gymnast. I mean a 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:45.520 lot of athletes I don't know, Shakhari Richard, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I. 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:47.840 Cried at that commercial In front of the people. 0:16:48.040 --> 0:16:51.280 And then well there was one person from Philly, and 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.560 so I was assuming he was an Eagles fan, but 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:56.960 he actually met five grand against them and lost. 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:58.640 And I go, that's what you do. That's what you 0:16:58.680 --> 0:17:01.200 do when you fucking go against your don't go against 0:17:01.240 --> 0:17:03.480 your hometown, bro, that's bad. Yeah. 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:04.720 And then I don't know if this is real, but 0:17:04.760 --> 0:17:06.840 I saw one reel where it was like a girl 0:17:07.080 --> 0:17:09.600 after her waitressing shift being like, I just bet my 0:17:09.680 --> 0:17:13.600 mortgage on blue gatorade and it was yellow gatorade, So like. 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.480 I think people were betting like the gatorade. It's like 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:25.480 betting's gotten crazy. Oh by the way, coach of the 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.399 Eagles is hot. Oh yeah, oh my god. 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:30.000 When they poured water on that guy, I'm like, I 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.760 haven't seen a coach that isn't like a like fucking 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.840 old man dating a twenty three year old in a 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:37.440 long time. 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:39.600 Yeah. 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.320 And then one of the girls from Taylor Watch podcast, 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:45.159 she's from Philadelphia and she was down in Nola and 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:47.399 I keep watching her celebration video. She's just in the 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:49.720 middle of Bourbon Street with a whistle and I guess 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.760 that's part of their culture. And she's just whistling, and 0:17:51.800 --> 0:17:54.520 all these guys are dancing around or going blow that 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:57.040 whistle or whatever, give him that whistle, and she's just 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:00.679 blowing the whistle, partying and like, I'm just I'm nervous 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.280 for the parade. I hope everyone's safe. I hope the 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:07.360 lamp posts survived. I gotta grease those lamp posts. Well 0:18:07.400 --> 0:18:09.000 do you saw they just they just rip them out 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:10.760 of the ground. They're like, you don't want us climbing it, 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:13.159 We'll take them out. They were they were holding lamp 0:18:13.359 --> 0:18:15.680 like street lamps on what. 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:16.560 Are those little lights? 0:18:17.560 --> 0:18:21.000 Yeah, the lights, the three raffic lights, traffic lights, those 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.080 whole poles people were holding that were God. There were 0:18:25.119 --> 0:18:28.480 people in horses Philadelphia, riding horses in the middle of 0:18:28.520 --> 0:18:30.600 the parade. I mean, I really do love it. And 0:18:30.680 --> 0:18:33.080 I'm going to Philly to perform I think in June. 0:18:33.200 --> 0:18:36.399 So oh yeah, there's still gonna be buzzing. There will 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.760 still be buzzing in June. And I'm I'm a bit 0:18:39.080 --> 0:18:42.560 I flip flopped, so yeah, I'm a five, I'm Eagles Now, 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:45.440 I'm Jalen Hurts. 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:46.800 Baby, Listen. 0:18:46.840 --> 0:18:49.159 There's certain things we stand for on this podcast, and 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:52.399 then there's other times where you know, look, my favorite 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:55.520 housewife used to be Lisa Vanderpump. Like we've all flipped 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:59.600 back and forth on different things. I was listening to, like, 0:18:59.880 --> 0:19:02.040 I don't really listen to Bitch Sessha anymore because they 0:19:02.080 --> 0:19:04.240 went behind a paywall. But like they did, they did 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:06.639 their four hundredth episode and they had the watch with 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.399 Crappin's guys on and they were just doing their best 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:12.439 and worst their favorite and least favorite housewives, and I 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:14.120 was like, I don't even know how I could decide 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:16.879 one of them. Did pick vander Pump though, but do 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:21.680 you think you could even choose to Dinda? Drenda's your top? 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:24.679 Who's your bottom? I quote her the most, Yeah, I 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:26.960 quote her the most. I want to be at Bluestone. 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:31.080 I forget it, right, I regret it. Yeah, And it 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:33.320 wasn't even thinking about that one when I even think 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:35.920 about the quotes, but I say, not, well, bitch all 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:39.320 the time. Yeah, I made a nice clip, you fool, 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.479 Like I just love her on the bug shot. 0:19:45.680 --> 0:19:48.840 She likes the party. I don't know, Like she liked 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:49.440 the cheese store. 0:19:49.440 --> 0:19:50.919 I remember she went to the cheese store and how 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.200 the time, Like Dirinda's my girl, like Milinda is. 0:19:53.160 --> 0:19:55.000 My I was sad that we got rid of her 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:56.040 first of the traders. 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.200 She came in too hot. I guess for that game 0:19:58.280 --> 0:19:58.879 she wasn't. 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.480 It's sexis and this happens on reality shows throughout. 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:05.040 Oh I thought she started shit with Iver, but it's 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:06.480 my first season watch is. 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:08.959 But I'm just saying, like surve up everyone like women, 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:13.080 gay people and not white people get voted out first immediately. 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:15.439 Always it's always like, well, I don't know if I 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.840 trust them, and it's like I think it's an unchecked bias, 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:23.359 like it really Jeremy was like it just happens. They're 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:26.080 just more frivolous. But also like the game players are stupid. 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:28.119 The traders are stupid, Like get rid of the game players, 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:28.879 not the wives. 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:30.120 They don't know what's going on. 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.520 Yeah yeah, wait, but who would be your bottom least 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:34.440 favor housewife. 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:37.280 It's just tough because I think some are despicable people 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:38.480 but are good housewife? 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:40.600 Do you pick the most boring housewife? 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.480 Like I know, I truly don't like Lisa Barlowe, but 0:20:43.520 --> 0:20:45.360 she is good television. 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:47.240 You know, And like I was thinking, Vicki and Ramona 0:20:47.320 --> 0:20:49.040 but it's like we need them. So like I hated 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:53.200 Carlton the Witch. I guess, oh yeah, Carlton the Witch. 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:58.080 Oh my gosh, remember like Peggy, I just think it's 0:20:58.080 --> 0:20:59.399 so funny when the people that have been on it 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.359 for one season it just are so forgettable. 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:04.120 I did also, I mean, this isn't a sports podcast, 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.399 but have you been paying attention to the Luca of 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:10.680 it all? You know, the Luca Dallas. 0:21:10.760 --> 0:21:12.600 No, I don't know anything. What are you talking about? 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:14.760 So? Oh, okay, this is this will be fun hopefully 0:21:14.800 --> 0:21:17.119 all the sports girl is right us. Let us know 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:19.960 if I'm describing this good or not. So this is 0:21:20.000 --> 0:21:21.680 all new to me. But now I'm like a number 0:21:21.720 --> 0:21:24.359 one Luca fan. I followed him like for life. Now okay, 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:29.120 so Luca is the Dallas Mavericks, like kind of hero. 0:21:29.800 --> 0:21:32.240 He's apparently like the third best player in the league, 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:34.280 like very good, twenty five, very young. 0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:35.840 But he's a party boy. 0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:38.800 I guess he's a little chubby, but like there's a 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.280 video of the owner like someone taking a beer from him. 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.919 But he's I guess he's like a party guy. Okay, 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:48.119 but Dallas loves him. He brought the team to the finals, 0:21:48.160 --> 0:21:51.399 he's like a core member. Mid season, all of a sudden, 0:21:51.520 --> 0:21:53.720 they trade him to the Lakers, like a week or 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:57.000 two ago, out of nowhere, and then people are outside 0:21:57.040 --> 0:21:59.119 of Dallas going bring him back. 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:00.840 He's not fat like. 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:04.399 People are people because because and then who they got 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.399 for him is like this guy ad who's always injured 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:09.280 in like seven years older than him and just not 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:11.840 as good a first round draft pick, and then maybe 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.600 like another person, and so everyone's like what the fuck 0:22:14.640 --> 0:22:18.679 is going on? So then there is the conspiracies, but 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:20.600 one is like the fifth richest woman in the world 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:23.080 is like a dumb bitch. Obviously billionaires are bad people, 0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:25.520 and she wants to move the team to Vegas, but 0:22:25.560 --> 0:22:27.640 they're like, well, you can't move our start whatever. There's 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:29.560 all these fights people are happening, and these are just 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:33.240 billionaires who don't care. So she just as a fuck you, 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:35.600 like did it to be able to move people and 0:22:35.600 --> 0:22:40.119 pay whatever. Then there's also conspiracies that like the NBA 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:42.199 viewership is down and this is like part of the 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:45.600 leadership doing this because they can't move Luca to a 0:22:45.680 --> 0:22:49.800 new place, like they need to train Luca to take 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:54.000 over post Lebron like Lebron's gonna and then Lebron's actually 0:22:54.040 --> 0:22:56.159 gonna be a part owner of this Vegas team, so 0:22:56.280 --> 0:23:00.119 he's gonna eventually be the face of that. But so 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.360 I guess it's like and then they're like Lebron might 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:04.880 help Luca better train for his body and like take 0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:07.639 care of himself. So there's all of this, and then 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.200 someone was like, it's because Lebron murdered someone, and it's 0:23:10.200 --> 0:23:12.400 this and that, and I don't think that's what's happening, 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:15.440 and I might be missing some conspiracy. I don't know, 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:17.480 but it's like never been done, Like it's a crazy 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:21.480 fucking thing. And Luca was devastated, like he just was 0:23:21.560 --> 0:23:25.440 so sad and like he's beloved. But as soon as 0:23:25.440 --> 0:23:29.000 he moved to La, the ticket sales like exploded, but 0:23:29.320 --> 0:23:32.479 he already donated half a million dollars to like building 0:23:32.560 --> 0:23:35.920 children stuff up at post fire. He's like hey, He's like, hey, 0:23:35.960 --> 0:23:38.880 my new neighbors, Like here's half a mill, Like I'm here, 0:23:39.119 --> 0:23:41.840 like this is my new town. And then I'm getting 0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:45.040 chills and so he's like on the bench and he's 0:23:45.080 --> 0:23:46.880 like sad. And then it was the first huddle. It's 0:23:46.920 --> 0:23:49.359 like him and Lebron finally playing, and Lebron in the huddle. 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:51.960 What a fucking leader. And that's another thing like Travis 0:23:52.000 --> 0:23:54.040 and Pat m homes Like in the Super Bowl, I 0:23:54.040 --> 0:23:57.719 thought like their leadership was bad. They weren't like like 0:23:57.760 --> 0:24:01.159 you're losing, pump up your team a war, but like 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:04.359 they kind of flop. But anyways, so Lebron's in the 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:08.480 huddle and he goes, Luca, be your fucking self, don't 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.800 fit in, fuck like fit the fuck out. 0:24:11.040 --> 0:24:11.280 Yeah. 0:24:11.359 --> 0:24:13.119 I saw that video. I didn't know what I was 0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.200 looking at, and Luca. 0:24:15.080 --> 0:24:17.400 Smiles, and then I just watched clips today and it's 0:24:17.440 --> 0:24:20.480 like Luca did a giant long pass to Lebron and 0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:23.840 Lebron made like this bucket like easy layup. But it 0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:26.399 was cool, and you could see Luca's smile because he 0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:28.840 is twenty five and he gets to like passed away 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:33.560 with Lebron. Yeah, and so he was so depressed and sad, 0:24:33.640 --> 0:24:36.280 being like so disrespected by you know, these rich meal 0:24:36.560 --> 0:24:39.000 and he was about to have like a max out contract, 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:40.359 so I think they didn't want to pay him like 0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:42.640 his hundred plus million that he was supposed to get. 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:46.520 But like the smile on his face passing to Lebron 0:24:46.720 --> 0:24:48.480 and like getting into the game again. 0:24:48.640 --> 0:24:52.320 So yeah, you guys got Luca. So it's really exciting. 0:24:52.440 --> 0:24:54.800 This is great education. Now I know what's going on 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.280 in sports in my own city. I'm really truly not. 0:24:57.640 --> 0:24:58.080 I was not. 0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:00.520 You know, I probably like a few days away from 0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:02.119 figuring that all out, like you know, that would have 0:25:02.160 --> 0:25:03.959 passed me in a wave like you always get things 0:25:04.000 --> 0:25:04.919 a few days before me. 0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:09.600 But I actually had something to say. 0:25:09.600 --> 0:25:15.520 No, we have to get started, but I. 0:25:13.840 --> 0:25:16.240 Okay, I got something to say. 0:25:17.160 --> 0:25:20.880 So you know, I love magazine YouTube content that's nothing new. 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:27.879 And I was watching a criminologist talk about serial killers. 0:25:27.920 --> 0:25:30.560 So he was like watching. He was like watching movies 0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:32.960 and TV shows and then saying what's real and not 0:25:33.040 --> 0:25:36.280 real and whatever. And so his name is David Wilson. 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:41.879 He's a criminologist. And he goes, he goes, stop trying 0:25:41.920 --> 0:25:45.320 to get inside these guys' heads. Fuck these guys. He's like, 0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:48.880 they're losers. These are losers. Serial killers are losers. Yeah, 0:25:48.920 --> 0:25:51.240 and he goes, we need to stop trying to figure 0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.399 out their dark brains and focus more on why the 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:58.480 same communities are targeted and help people if we actually 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:02.359 want to like, you know, help stop serial killers. He goes, 0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:06.800 fuck the inside of their minds, but challenge homophobia. Have 0:26:06.880 --> 0:26:09.400 a grown up debate on how we police people who 0:26:09.440 --> 0:26:13.480 sell sexual services and why the elderly are so vulnerable 0:26:13.520 --> 0:26:17.040 in our culture, and he said we need to focus 0:26:17.080 --> 0:26:22.080 on those things instead of like, you know, sexualizing these Yeah. 0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:24.840 I mean, I don't know. 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:27.480 I'm like not that it's the same. He's not a 0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:29.760 serial killer. But it's like, we can stop calling Kanye 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:32.640 a genius now too, can we stop? Like I don't know, 0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:35.360 I'm just like like yeah, but it's like calling all 0:26:35.359 --> 0:26:40.320 these like just mediocre shittheads that got away with killing 0:26:40.320 --> 0:26:44.080 in the seventies before there was fucking DNA and like CCTV, 0:26:44.480 --> 0:26:46.600 and we're like, oh, a genius, let's get inside and 0:26:46.640 --> 0:26:48.120 figure out what's making them tick. 0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:53.600 Like yeah, no, he said they're all losers. Yeah, yeah, good, 0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:56.160 I love that. Yeah. So if you guys, I don't 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:57.119 I think it was GQ. 0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:00.240 I'm not really sure, but his name, like I said, 0:27:00.320 --> 0:27:04.119 criminologist David Wilson. He was he was sexy, Like I 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:08.800 really enjoyed watching him, all right, cool, I enjoyed it, 0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:11.040 but then I yeah, and then I watched people talk 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:12.240 about their movie roles. 0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:15.480 I'm a dork. All right, let's start, all. 0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:18.600 Right, let's startry. I got so sports, but it was 0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:22.119 exciting the Luca like, yeah, yeah, for sure. 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:26.280 And this episode comes out on the eighteenth, and that 0:27:26.400 --> 0:27:29.320 means that this coming Sunday. If you live in Washington, 0:27:29.400 --> 0:27:32.679 DC or it's area, shit must be terrible for you 0:27:32.840 --> 0:27:35.639 right now. 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And then yeah, thanks guys. 0:28:12.119 --> 0:28:21.680 Uh, let's get started, all right, guys, we're doing Monsters Legacy, 0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:25.320 not to be confused with Monsters Ball JK. 0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:27.760 I don't think anyone I can not confuse it. 0:28:28.320 --> 0:28:35.280 But season fourteen, episode thirteen, and yeah it's it's good. 0:28:35.440 --> 0:28:36.880 Okay, yeah, done done. 0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.800 We're at gymnastics practice, never a good place, set us 0:28:39.880 --> 0:28:44.480 to you. Yeah, there's a pommel horse. There's some want 0:28:44.520 --> 0:28:48.040 to touching. Yeah, there's a problem. The boys going wild 0:28:48.080 --> 0:28:50.360 on this pommel and he gets a cramp though, and 0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:53.160 it's really painful. So the coach starts stretching him. But 0:28:53.200 --> 0:28:56.280 there's a camera on them while they're being stretched, so 0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:59.040 not good. And then guess who sees something? Oh is 0:28:59.040 --> 0:29:01.600 that careesy? Yeah before he was caresy. He's a janitor. 0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:05.120 He's a janitor. He has long, stringy hair and he's 0:29:05.160 --> 0:29:07.000 behind the door like staring at what's happened. 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:08.680 This one is going out to all of you that 0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:11.600 message us on the Instagram going, oh my god, did 0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:11.960 you guys know. 0:29:12.000 --> 0:29:13.720 That there's an episode where Creese is just like a 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:18.280 like a suspect. We do and this is it we do. 0:29:19.080 --> 0:29:20.440 It's so sweet and right now. 0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:22.880 People send me a lot of Luigi's stuff and I 0:29:22.920 --> 0:29:25.040 thank you, but there's just so few, so few that 0:29:25.160 --> 0:29:26.840 like I got it all I do. 0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:31.840 There's not enough. It's just it's truly like wild. Yeah, 0:29:32.520 --> 0:29:33.480 I know the case. 0:29:33.280 --> 0:29:36.280 Isn't actively happening, and I don't want the media to 0:29:36.560 --> 0:29:39.080 put out false narratives and rather silence than anything. 0:29:39.120 --> 0:29:40.760 But yeah, it's all. 0:29:41.000 --> 0:29:43.320 When the trial starts, I think things will get crazy, right, 0:29:43.880 --> 0:29:44.400 I hope. 0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:47.000 Okay, So the coach is like, loosen up and the 0:29:47.280 --> 0:29:52.000 So now the janitor enters, Janitor Careesi and he enters 0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:53.680 the gym. He's looking the coach. He's like, can you 0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:55.400 go do that later? And he's like all right, and 0:29:55.440 --> 0:29:58.760 he walks away, but he's looking. You know, he's not 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:02.760 breaking icon contact with the stretching. And then also he 0:30:02.800 --> 0:30:05.959 has a brunette bob, So if you're imagining Careese as 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:09.320 he is now, imagine him with a brunette bob. And 0:30:09.400 --> 0:30:12.920 so now you know the boys stretched out. He goes 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:14.680 back to the pommel horse. Now we're in a dark 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:18.480 parking garage, the only place more dangerous than a gymnastics gym, 0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:22.080 and the coach is walking to his car. He has 0:30:22.120 --> 0:30:25.320 the accent of a gymnastics coach, so Eastern European vibes. 0:30:25.760 --> 0:30:28.240 And then he gets an attack. So he gets pushed 0:30:28.280 --> 0:30:31.440 into his trunk. The trunk closed on him with his 0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.320 legs hanging out and then he is stabbed in his 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:36.840 ass over and over and over and over, and we 0:30:36.880 --> 0:30:38.760 can assume it's Creasey the janitor. 0:30:39.280 --> 0:30:39.680 We can. 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:44.520 And anyways, so now Olivia arrives and she's in a 0:30:44.840 --> 0:30:53.360 sexy red dress and Amaro goes, wow, whoa, he's circling 0:30:53.520 --> 0:30:57.160 around her and it is flirty because what were your 0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:58.719 things that you thought they were gonna fuck and then 0:30:58.720 --> 0:30:59.480 they weren't there? 0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.920 Yeah? Well I always thought like a vibe very like 0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:07.680 obviously basic thoughts were like, oh, Stabler's gone, the new 0:31:07.720 --> 0:31:10.280 man and Olivia are now going to have romantic tension, you. 0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:13.880 Know, So I guess I thought that her and uh 0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:16.440 and I see it yeah, and tomorrow and. 0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:18.760 Like yeah, stuff like this, he's like, I fucking her, 0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:23.400 Like he's like, whoa, Like it's crazy. So but it's 0:31:23.480 --> 0:31:27.480 a really sexy dress. Yeah, but she's with somebody. 0:31:27.960 --> 0:31:30.960 Well okay, so then he so then he goes but 0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:34.520 it's too early for Valentine's Day like dinner, and she goes, oh, well, 0:31:34.520 --> 0:31:37.960 this new guy I'm seeing, we're not quite ready for 0:31:38.120 --> 0:31:41.000 like Valentine's Day. So we decided to do a more 0:31:41.040 --> 0:31:45.280 casual pre dinner. That's all fine, but that's not a 0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:47.520 casual pre dinner dress. You can wear that dress to 0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:53.240 a wedding that was a formal like wedding guest dress. 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:55.400 But I don't know who she's dating, but it's probably 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:57.600 not someone that important where it's like I'm assuming it's 0:31:57.600 --> 0:31:57.760 like I. 0:31:59.320 --> 0:32:03.680 Think, but oh, it's they need a more casual thing. 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.400 It's just like you can't say it's a casual pre 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:08.800 dinner and be dressed like you are going to an 0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:12.600 event like a fucking Oscars Woman's Nominee brunch. 0:32:13.000 --> 0:32:16.720 Yeah, this is a Glamour Woman of the Year Brounch outfit. 0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:19.240 This is not This is not like, oh, we're just 0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.400 gonna like casually go out on like the twelfth or something, 0:32:22.480 --> 0:32:22.680 you know. 0:32:23.480 --> 0:32:27.880 Yeah, so, but then it's so then you know, he's like, 0:32:27.920 --> 0:32:30.240 sorry to end your shit early. But while they're like 0:32:30.400 --> 0:32:33.480 just chatting about Valentine's Day, the man is still there 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.760 on a stretcher, groaning like there's a bleeding man, and 0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.880 they're just like, damn girl, you look hot, and he's 0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:42.920 like like he's whimpering enrolled in. 0:32:42.880 --> 0:32:43.960 Front of them. 0:32:44.240 --> 0:32:47.560 Yeah, he's on his side with like a bloody sheet 0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:48.360 covering his butt. 0:32:48.440 --> 0:32:49.960 It's really gross. 0:32:51.080 --> 0:32:54.800 And so it's Alexey Bellia Cove and he's whimpering and 0:32:54.880 --> 0:32:59.040 he's barely holding on and basically ice pick ice, and 0:32:59.040 --> 0:32:59.920 he bled a lot. 0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:01.600 And we're in the credits. We're in the credits. 0:33:02.160 --> 0:33:05.440 So we're back from the credits. He's awake after surgery. 0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.880 He's talking somewhererow in Benson. He goes, I noticed the 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:12.480 guy had Workloves boots and Olive overalls. They're like, well, 0:33:12.520 --> 0:33:14.880 is it revenge? And he gets mad and he's like, 0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:17.040 what are you talking about? I love my wife. I 0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:19.520 have good relationships with my ex wives. He has three 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:22.600 of them. Amaro goes, okay, like what about relationships with 0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:26.400 someone you shouldn't have? Like maybe that's why you got 0:33:26.440 --> 0:33:29.160 stabbed in the ass and those no. 0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:30.120 I learned that lesson. 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:33.000 Four years ago, a student's father accused me of being 0:33:33.000 --> 0:33:36.520 involved with his wife, and Amorro goes, were you he 0:33:36.560 --> 0:33:39.520 doesn't matter? He goes, yeah, but he tried to ruin 0:33:39.560 --> 0:33:41.440 my life and Corey tried to convince people I molested 0:33:41.520 --> 0:33:44.280 his kid. So then he's like, yeah, the old student's 0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.720 name is you know, Eddie. And when I went to 0:33:46.720 --> 0:33:48.840 go like talk to him, like the dad was throwing 0:33:48.920 --> 0:33:51.440 furniture and like shit was nuts. So now we're at 0:33:51.480 --> 0:33:53.600 the home of Eddie and the dad is like, oh 0:33:53.640 --> 0:33:57.160 my god, Russians are such liars. I may be kicked 0:33:57.160 --> 0:33:59.880 to chair and Finn's chatting with him and the dad. 0:34:00.000 --> 0:34:02.880 It's like, listen, you know, he said my kid had potential. 0:34:03.160 --> 0:34:05.560 We pay for private lessons, and then he goes, actually 0:34:05.560 --> 0:34:07.920 your kid sucks, and I actually I get it. I would. 0:34:08.000 --> 0:34:09.520 I would beat the shit out of this guy too. 0:34:09.680 --> 0:34:13.040 I wouldn't say he molested my child if you did. 0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.680 Do you recognize this actors from. 0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:16.840 This is Us? 0:34:17.120 --> 0:34:20.279 Yeah, I just don't care. Oh okay, well he I 0:34:20.280 --> 0:34:21.959 think he did stand up in Chicago. I was wondering 0:34:21.960 --> 0:34:24.520 if you knew him, because Jared knows him from Chicago. No, 0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.400 but I thought maybe you would know me. Yeah, no, 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:29.640 clue I recognized him. He was also in that like 0:34:29.719 --> 0:34:33.400 documentary about SBU guest stars. Oh I remember there was 0:34:33.400 --> 0:34:35.360 like that TV special. He talked a lot in it, 0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:36.600 and I didn't care about him though, neither. 0:34:36.680 --> 0:34:41.400 I'm sorry to this man, like I'm happy for his success, 0:34:41.760 --> 0:34:44.360 but uh yeah, I mean he's doing. 0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:45.000 A good job. So whatever. 0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:47.239 So amorrows talks inside, well, Finn stays outside with the 0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:49.359 dad Omar and this the son has like a such 0:34:49.520 --> 0:34:51.600 cutl sweater. He goes, I don't want to talk about 0:34:51.640 --> 0:34:54.760 the coach and they're like, oh, but were you stretching 0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.319 He goes, oh, not in that way, like, you know, 0:34:57.640 --> 0:35:00.799 not with me at least maybe another kid. Finn is 0:35:00.840 --> 0:35:03.680 with the dad and he goes, well, you know, Alexi's 0:35:03.680 --> 0:35:05.360 not gay, and the dad's like, well, we don't know that. 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:09.880 I actually don't fucking care because after my son was 0:35:09.920 --> 0:35:11.360 not with the coach, someone came up to me and 0:35:11.400 --> 0:35:13.839 said you're better Your son is better off without him. 0:35:14.080 --> 0:35:15.960 And it's like, well who told you that? And it 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.839 was someone in a jumpsuit, a lanky man. Okay, so 0:35:18.960 --> 0:35:21.960 we got careesy and he has a record. He has 0:35:21.960 --> 0:35:26.680 a record john Johnny dub dug Oh, I was just 0:35:26.719 --> 0:35:30.520 gonna say Johnny dub check. Such a crazy name they 0:35:30.560 --> 0:35:34.440 give him. So he has a record vandalism, possession disorder, 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:36.759 early bar fights, and Rollins is about to have a 0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:38.640 little fun with him, but it's actually like, oh, cute 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:38.960 to see it. 0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:39.800 Because now they're married. 0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:43.000 Yeah, but Finn is there too, and this guy's been 0:35:43.040 --> 0:35:45.520 clean from crimes for five years, so like, what's going 0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:47.560 on and they go, you know you could have killed 0:35:47.640 --> 0:35:49.280 him and he goes, oh who and they're like, okay, 0:35:49.440 --> 0:35:51.440 we know you see this guy every day, so like 0:35:51.920 --> 0:35:52.680 you know, we know it. 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:53.760 We're gonna find your prince. 0:35:53.800 --> 0:35:55.479 He goes, no, you're not, and they're like why because 0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:57.880 you wear gloves like his blood's everywhere, Your blood's everywhere. 0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:01.719 So Johnny's getting shake nervous and they're like, why are 0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:04.479 you doing this? You know everyone's vouched for. Your boss 0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:08.000 said you're amazing. Your parole officer like what happened? And 0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:10.440 did something happen? Like what happened? And he goes what 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:13.640 he does, He wouldn't try that with me. So now 0:36:13.640 --> 0:36:15.680 we're in the hospital and he's cuffed to the hospital 0:36:15.680 --> 0:36:20.360 bed the like the coach, and he goes the janitor 0:36:20.360 --> 0:36:23.360 accuse me, he's a fucking psycho. He calls the janitor 0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:26.840 an idiot, and Omarro is like, well, you tape your sessions, 0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:28.400 don't you, And he goes, well, yeah, that's the benefit 0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:30.319 of the student. The student can watch the footage and 0:36:30.320 --> 0:36:32.360 like learn and he goes, okay, what benefit to the 0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:33.440 student get from stretching. 0:36:33.480 --> 0:36:34.520 He goes, that benefits me. 0:36:34.920 --> 0:36:38.239 I tape everything because since I was accused, and so 0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:42.080 you know, for days they watch all of this footage 0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.120 and Finn goes ninety hours of tape and his only 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:48.360 crime is boring me to death, like, I'm so sorry. 0:36:48.360 --> 0:36:52.440 A kid wasn't raped in gymnastics practice, Finn. So then 0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:56.200 Benson talks to like dozens of people. Nobody likes the guy, 0:36:56.360 --> 0:36:59.799 but nobody said he's a pedophile, so they gotta say 0:36:59.840 --> 0:37:01.920 so to him. But also, like what do we do 0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:05.040 with I can't even say his name, dub check, so 0:37:05.080 --> 0:37:06.880 they have to, you know, they say sorry to him. 0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:08.319 They're like, my bad, I'm sorry, we thought you were 0:37:08.320 --> 0:37:11.200 a pedophile, But like, fuck, what are we gonna do with, 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:15.759 you know, Johnny? Because something happened what triggered him? So they're, 0:37:15.880 --> 0:37:17.480 you know, he's on his way to Rikers right now. 0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.440 So we see him in a van. There's six other prisoners. 0:37:20.520 --> 0:37:23.319 The cops are you know, are start opening the van 0:37:23.440 --> 0:37:25.480 to take them out to like bring him into Rikers, 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:30.120 and bam, they like, you know, the janitor has handcuffs 0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:31.960 around the other man, choking him violently. 0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.280 They pull them apart. What is going on? He screams, 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:36.240 it's not my fault. It's not my fault. 0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:38.480 I said, I want to be put in with that, 0:37:39.000 --> 0:37:41.160 And Rollins and Finn are on the scene so fast 0:37:41.320 --> 0:37:44.279 and guess you know what's set careesy janitor do dub 0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:48.000 check off. He the guy he's attacking is a pedophile. 0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.800 He touched boy scouts. So another pedophile has been attacked. 0:37:51.160 --> 0:37:54.840 Ding Ding Ding Okay, pedophile. So we're at a raiment. 0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:58.279 He's remanded back to Rikers. He's like, you know, he 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.360 tells his mom sorry, who is an oxygen tank in court? 0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.440 And then Rollins goes to talk to the mom and 0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:06.920 they bring up the pedophile beatings and she's like, listen, 0:38:06.960 --> 0:38:09.040 my kid's been sober and clean. There's no trouble, no 0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:10.840 fights since he you know, he was a teenager. His 0:38:10.920 --> 0:38:12.359 dad died when he was ten, and so he had 0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.359 a lot of problems. And they're like, well, what other 0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:16.160 men does he have in his life? And she goes, well, 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.960 years later in the neighborhood, you know, this coach took 0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:22.600 an interest in Johnny and he went to some open 0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:23.680 air camp up state. 0:38:24.120 --> 0:38:25.080 He hated the camp. 0:38:25.280 --> 0:38:28.600 Johnny was homesick, but and when he got home from camp, 0:38:28.640 --> 0:38:31.120 he was just never the same. Benson says, we've seen 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:33.680 it before, like you suffer the abuse and then you 0:38:33.719 --> 0:38:35.839 can't there's a trigger. And Omar I was like, okay, so, 0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:39.440 like I guess being shackled to another pedophile is obviously 0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:43.040 a trigger. And Craigan Daddy not having it. He's like, 0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:45.600 well the defense Kim, bring that up. I'll make sure 0:38:45.640 --> 0:38:48.719 the DA passes that along. Benson goes, wait, stop, what 0:38:48.760 --> 0:38:50.759 about the camp coach Like Martin Schultz like, can we 0:38:50.800 --> 0:38:53.280 please just like go figure out what's up with this coach? 0:38:54.000 --> 0:38:57.800 But there's no record, no accusations, there's nothing. But it's like, Craigan, 0:38:57.880 --> 0:38:58.520 shut the fuck up. 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.560 Let your detectives cook, like you know, they're good at 0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:02.319 their jobs, Like, shut the fuck up. 0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:05.360 So they go to this camp and it's Ed Asner. 0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:09.120 Yeah, who I only know by face and name and 0:39:09.320 --> 0:39:09.799 nothing else. 0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:12.080 Yeah, tap dance for a comedian? And what is he? 0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.080 Why are we supposed to know Ed Asner? 0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:17.640 He's like, and I feel it's like, okay, Casey, come 0:39:17.680 --> 0:39:18.200 teach us. 0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:20.960 Yeah, Casey, I thought you lead in to tell us. 0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:22.360 Do you know at apples Well, he was. 0:39:22.360 --> 0:39:25.080 On he's on Mary The Mary Tyler Moore Show, which 0:39:25.160 --> 0:39:28.920 is set in Minneapolis, so he's beloved here. Okay, So 0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:31.080 Mary Tyler Moore Show, I feel like is what he's 0:39:31.080 --> 0:39:31.760 most famous. 0:39:32.040 --> 0:39:35.959 Okay, got it all right? So Mary Tyler Moore Show. Cool, cool, cool, 0:39:37.440 --> 0:39:39.319 And he's wearing a bad news he's hat, there's a 0:39:39.320 --> 0:39:43.200 log cabin. This man's guilty, but he's playing old confused 0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.720 man and he's like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:48.000 that boy. He was a Mets fan. He wore the 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.720 same T shirt every day and then he'd like babbles. 0:39:50.719 --> 0:39:52.600 But he goes, oh, your cops, what did he do? 0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:55.000 And they're like, yeah, he assaulted too many and he's 0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:56.520 going away for a very long time. 0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:58.120 So then ad Asner is. 0:39:58.040 --> 0:39:59.960 Like, oh yeah, great student, good kid, and the detect 0:40:00.280 --> 0:40:02.080 we're like, well he was until you know he came 0:40:02.120 --> 0:40:05.440 to camp. But the guy goes, it's too cold, let's 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.600 go inside. He gets them hot chocolate because it's good 0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:10.799 for the soul, and then Benson finally brings up the 0:40:10.840 --> 0:40:13.719 abuse question and he's like, hey, I gotta stop you. 0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:16.279 I know these days everyone's gonna be asking questions, but 0:40:16.440 --> 0:40:19.200 I don't tolerate devians. And if I saw any counselor 0:40:19.200 --> 0:40:21.640 anyone look at a kids sideways, I would have knocked 0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:24.040 him on his ass and put him on the bus. 0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:27.960 And he's chewing and being casual, like, you know, just 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.920 hanging out. He goes, I'm a friend to kids, pedophile, 0:40:31.600 --> 0:40:36.400 you don't say friend to kids. Sorry, sorry, sorry. He 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.480 wants to change these kids' lives. He wishes he could 0:40:38.480 --> 0:40:41.840 have done more for Johnny and the others, but he couldn't, 0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:44.520 you know, he goes fatherless kids. Try as you might, 0:40:44.560 --> 0:40:48.600 but you can't fill that hole, right, detective. Okay, guys, 0:40:48.600 --> 0:40:52.000 we've been holding for my radiator. It's not stopping. So 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.880 if you hear what you guys have nicknamed the sword fights, 0:40:55.520 --> 0:41:01.440 deal with it. We can't keep waiting. Okay, it's actually quiet. Now, okay, 0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:04.200 this is good. But I mean I can't even believe it. 0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:06.759 I can't try as you might write, Detective. I mean, 0:41:06.840 --> 0:41:08.600 I cannot believe how does he know? 0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:11.719 How did he know? Yeah, she doesn't. 0:41:11.400 --> 0:41:14.160 Give off and it's not like he could have researched 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:17.640 her before in this like a Sebastian Valentine moment, Like 0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:19.040 what the fuck? 0:41:19.160 --> 0:41:19.640 She shocked? 0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:22.440 She goes excuse me. He says, it's all right, honey, 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:25.000 you've done good. I mean you could have gone the 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:29.000 other way too. So now it's tomorrow and Benson pleading 0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:32.239 Craigan like, oh my god, he's a straight up sociopath, Like, 0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.719 let us fucking get his ass. She's like, he spent 0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:38.880 the whole time reading us, like, oh ha ha, chocolate, 0:41:38.960 --> 0:41:41.080 it was all a fucking act. And I'm like, trust 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:44.160 your detectives. And he goes, well, over fifty years and 0:41:44.239 --> 0:41:47.000 not one complaint. I mean he's never been like charged 0:41:47.040 --> 0:41:49.600 for decades, Like something's going on. Benson goes, I know, 0:41:50.040 --> 0:41:53.120 but like these predators know how to pick their victims, 0:41:53.480 --> 0:41:55.759 and they're like following Craigan around the whole precinct. 0:41:55.800 --> 0:41:56.919 He's trying to escape them. 0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.600 Rollins is there, and then Rollins has a whole corkboard 0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:02.280 and it's bunches of mug shots and she goes, maybe 0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:05.479 not complaints, but a wake of damage. Dozens of kids 0:42:05.560 --> 0:42:08.160 in prison now for assault and rape and murder. 0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:10.719 I mean, we talk about this all the time. It's 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:11.279 just like. 0:42:13.440 --> 0:42:16.680 It's like abuse, the ripple effect, Like our society is 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:22.120 fucked because of abusers and believing kids like so cyclical 0:42:22.200 --> 0:42:24.400 and huge, and just to think about like all the 0:42:24.440 --> 0:42:27.239 people that are holding on to like these dark secrets 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.440 and acting out and can't and then like no support 0:42:29.960 --> 0:42:32.640 and then are treated like they're the problem. It's like, 0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:34.960 so fuck, your kid comes back from camp and he's 0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:35.520 not the same. 0:42:36.320 --> 0:42:42.560 Yeah, yeah, like what the fuck? Yeah? It is a 0:42:42.560 --> 0:42:46.280 fucking vicious cycle, so scary. 0:42:47.000 --> 0:42:49.279 You know, like dozens of these kids straight from that 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.759 camp are in prison for assault, rape and murder, Like 0:42:51.800 --> 0:42:54.000 what the fuck? And you know a lot of and 0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:56.000 he and Craigan's like, well a lot of sexual trauma 0:42:56.080 --> 0:42:58.160 ends up in silence and shame and they're like, whatever 0:42:58.200 --> 0:43:01.160 this guy did. This is ground zero for a second 0:43:01.200 --> 0:43:04.480 generation epidemic of like crime and fucked up stuff and 0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.560 so much chamage. And finally he goes, this won't be easy, 0:43:07.600 --> 0:43:10.760 but like let's try to get some complaints. So Rollin says, 0:43:10.880 --> 0:43:12.359 what do you mean complaint? We have a whole board 0:43:12.400 --> 0:43:15.280 of witnesses, and he goes, convict, that's not They're not human, 0:43:15.880 --> 0:43:18.719 like crazy is crazy? No, he goes, they're own reliable witnesses. 0:43:18.800 --> 0:43:21.600 And I get that because of our you know, stigma 0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:26.560 too everything. Yeah, and maybe individually but there's like a 0:43:26.600 --> 0:43:28.759 clear pattern, so like they have to prove it that 0:43:28.840 --> 0:43:31.160 there's one of them, Like there's one abuser they have 0:43:31.320 --> 0:43:33.719 in common that's better than individually. 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:35.280 So like maybe that could prove a pattern. 0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:37.759 And it doesn't matter that they're like incarcerated and if 0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:39.600 it is, like prisoners don't really want to admit they 0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:43.920 were abused because hella, oh prison, right, But one of 0:43:43.920 --> 0:43:46.480 these guys he doesn't have to worry about chatting because 0:43:46.520 --> 0:43:48.359 he's on death row. Thank god. You know, there's got 0:43:48.400 --> 0:43:50.799 to be a perk somewhere. So since he's on death 0:43:50.880 --> 0:43:52.959 row and he's in Ohio and he sentenced to die 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:57.600 in ten days, maybe he can be the start of 0:43:57.600 --> 0:44:00.239 this case. And who is it? But you know, canted 0:44:00.280 --> 0:44:03.399 rapist Mike Tyson. So should we like talk about this? 0:44:03.719 --> 0:44:07.440 I don't know, Like yeah, in nineteen ninety two, he 0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:09.680 was convicted of rape and sentenced to six years in prison. 0:44:09.719 --> 0:44:14.040 He was released on parole after three years, So convicted rapists, Like, 0:44:14.520 --> 0:44:15.720 but we know he was abused. 0:44:15.719 --> 0:44:17.879 That's why he collects pigeons. Is that the whole thing? 0:44:18.000 --> 0:44:20.160 Like this is an odd choice, I would say for 0:44:20.239 --> 0:44:22.680 a show like this, but I am sure they weren't 0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.400 ignorant to this, so like, what do you think that is? 0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:27.880 Like what, I'm always very shocked. 0:44:27.960 --> 0:44:31.239 I was always like, wait, SVU like got a convicted 0:44:31.360 --> 0:44:34.200 rapist to guest star on the show. 0:44:34.239 --> 0:44:36.720 It's like, you know, they. 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:38.759 Had the guy from they had the guy the dad 0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:40.920 from seventh heven. I don't think they knew yet, you know, 0:44:41.040 --> 0:44:43.359 like they've had some people on that have later been 0:44:43.400 --> 0:44:46.960 convicted of stuff, but like, yeah, he he he just 0:44:47.120 --> 0:44:51.840 he admitted to being molested as a child. Yeah, I 0:44:51.960 --> 0:44:56.080 mean that service time. Maybe that's what they're trying to 0:44:56.080 --> 0:44:56.960 do with the casting. 0:44:57.480 --> 0:45:01.400 Yeah, so obviously you know, has a past of crime 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:05.800 and abuse and was convicted of right, but also molested 0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.080 as a child. So I understand the complications. I mean, 0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:10.360 this is the complications of all of it. You know, 0:45:10.360 --> 0:45:15.520 it's like really hard because you know, I'm thinking about 0:45:15.520 --> 0:45:18.880 the firefighter inmates and stuff like that and getting a 0:45:18.920 --> 0:45:24.879 second chances living more like rehabilitation, giving access like understanding 0:45:24.920 --> 0:45:28.000 the traumas and all of that. But then also, yeah, 0:45:28.000 --> 0:45:31.640 it is scary. I don't know, I don't fucking know. 0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:34.880 It's just so loaded. I mean they asked him for 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:37.680 a reason. If we get Warren Light, we can talk 0:45:37.719 --> 0:45:38.359 to him about it. 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:42.279 Yeah, let's start a document that'll be question once so 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:42.920 we don't forget. 0:45:43.320 --> 0:45:46.000 Yeah, I want to ask Warren Light about this kind 0:45:46.040 --> 0:45:50.280 of decision. So they bring up Martin the ed Asner 0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:52.399 to him and he's like, I'd rather not speak about it. 0:45:52.680 --> 0:45:55.480 Benson and Finn are like working him, and Tyson's like. 0:45:55.480 --> 0:45:57.160 Well, why why right now? Like why not? 0:45:57.200 --> 0:45:57.359 Then? 0:45:57.480 --> 0:45:59.040 Like why suddenly you're into it. 0:46:00.040 --> 0:46:01.640 She's like, well, we're just finding out about it and 0:46:01.680 --> 0:46:03.360 what he did to those boys, and we want to 0:46:03.400 --> 0:46:05.120 punish him and Mike. Tyson's like, I don't want to 0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:06.719 think about any of this. I don't want to think 0:46:06.719 --> 0:46:10.520 about any of them. And Benson goes them and Finn goes, 0:46:10.560 --> 0:46:12.319 I mean at trial, the guy you killed said that 0:46:12.360 --> 0:46:14.480 it was a stranger. Is there more to it? And 0:46:14.520 --> 0:46:16.560 he looks up and he goes, it doesn't matter. I 0:46:16.680 --> 0:46:18.600 killed him. I can't take it back. I'm trying to 0:46:18.600 --> 0:46:20.759 stay at peace. Now, get the hell out of here, 0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:25.160 screams through, like through the bars, and then so like, 0:46:25.200 --> 0:46:25.719 what do we do? 0:46:25.880 --> 0:46:27.839 You know what we do? We call Andre Brower, That's 0:46:27.880 --> 0:46:28.600 what we do. Baby. 0:46:28.680 --> 0:46:32.799 We got Bayard Ellis amazing defense attorney and we need 0:46:32.840 --> 0:46:37.600 his help deep voiced legend, baby rest in peace. And 0:46:37.719 --> 0:46:40.080 he is like, you need help with a death row case? 0:46:40.160 --> 0:46:43.520 Or am I doing Svu's job And Benson goes, damn, dude, 0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:44.760 A little bit of both fuck. 0:46:45.120 --> 0:46:47.840 And he's like, he's like, so you're asking me a favor. 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:49.240 You're not angry with me anymore? 0:46:49.440 --> 0:46:51.120 And she takes the sip of her drink and goes, 0:46:51.160 --> 0:46:52.800 I was never angry, and he's like, you had a 0:46:52.880 --> 0:46:54.880 right to be. I blew up your relationship with David 0:46:54.920 --> 0:46:56.799 Hadden Hayden Hayden. 0:46:56.680 --> 0:46:59.760 And is that Henry Connick junior? H yeah, Harry Connick Junior. 0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:05.960 Why are these names so hard for me? 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:10.200 So she goes, I was angry, but I knew that 0:47:10.239 --> 0:47:12.680 you were doing right by your client. And she goes, 0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:14.759 please look at Reggie's case. The DA said it was 0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:17.719 a robbery gone bad, but nothing was taken and the 0:47:17.760 --> 0:47:21.480 man who was killed had two prior solicitations for young 0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:24.000 black men. And he goes and it never came out 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.719 at trial and she goes, no, Reggie mentioned like, none 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.000 of it, and he's like, biting it for the bait, 0:47:29.080 --> 0:47:31.759 you know what I mean he's biting, he's nailing, and 0:47:31.840 --> 0:47:34.880 so he wants in and the timeline's tight. If we 0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.560 don't help him, he dies in nine fucking days. I 0:47:38.640 --> 0:47:41.200 just hate this and like this this whole episode. I'm 0:47:41.239 --> 0:47:43.120 sorry to go on a tangent, but this whole episode 0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:45.680 was so hard to watch knowing this administration is so 0:47:45.800 --> 0:47:49.439 trigger happy to murder at federal crimes and thinking about 0:47:49.480 --> 0:47:51.799 the last case where like evidence was coming out and 0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:54.040 the governor goes, I don't give a fuck kill killing 0:47:54.040 --> 0:47:56.560 a person when evidence can come out to save him, Like, in. 0:47:56.560 --> 0:48:00.000 What world is that normal? Who wasn't even the person 0:48:00.160 --> 0:48:02.439 who did committed the crime? By the way, that guy 0:48:02.600 --> 0:48:03.719 was an accessory. 0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:08.960 Okay, So now Mike Tyson is doing a little more talking, 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:11.120 you know, because it's not too late, and the governor 0:48:11.200 --> 0:48:16.279 can grant clemency and Bayard Ellis is compelling and now 0:48:16.360 --> 0:48:19.400 like maybe Benson didn't work, by like Ellis is definitely 0:48:19.440 --> 0:48:21.439 gonna work. And he goes, listen, if the parole board 0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:24.200 recommends this, and that your old lawyer that you had 0:48:24.239 --> 0:48:26.200 sucked and he never brought any of this up, like 0:48:26.400 --> 0:48:29.360 you know you can, we can save your life, and 0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:31.640 they bring up the camp in his childhood and what 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.560 was brought up before the trial, and he goes, nothing, 0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:38.000 I met the lawyer the day before my trial. They 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:42.480 didn't talk much, and Benson's like, well we can talk now, okay, Reggie, 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:45.000 we need you to tell us what happened at Martin's camp. 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:47.160 He doesn't want to. He wants to let it go 0:48:47.200 --> 0:48:49.440 and forgive everyone, even his mom. And they go, well 0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:51.880 what did she do? And he says for sending me 0:48:51.960 --> 0:48:55.279 back to Martin's camp. So they're outside and they're like, fuck, 0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:58.000 what are the chances? And Ellis is like, dude with 0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:00.879 a fucked up trial, like if o Hio kills him, 0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.040 that state sanctioned murder. 0:49:03.280 --> 0:49:05.319 And that I mean that happened within the year. 0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:08.600 We are living in a time where there was evidence 0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:11.600 to come out to help a man and they decided no, 0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:16.279 not worth it, not worth it to wait. Yeah, He's like, 0:49:16.640 --> 0:49:19.360 you got any vacation time accused? So then Ellis this 0:49:19.440 --> 0:49:21.719 is the best. So then Ellis asked, Benson, you know 0:49:21.719 --> 0:49:23.920 they're in Ohio. He's like, you got any vacation time 0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:27.040 accumulated to work on this with me? And she goes, 0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:32.200 I have about fifty to sixty weeks worth. She could 0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:35.600 take a year of vacation and still be getting paid, like. 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:37.520 Yeah, because whenever they tell her to take a couple 0:49:37.520 --> 0:49:39.399 of days, she's like, no, I got to finish the case. 0:49:39.400 --> 0:49:40.760 She never fucking takes the vacation. 0:49:41.040 --> 0:49:43.319 We know she's gone on the Bahamas once and I 0:49:43.360 --> 0:49:45.279 love them in winterwear and it's really coold. 0:49:45.280 --> 0:49:48.480 You can see their breath, you know. So yeah, we 0:49:48.520 --> 0:49:50.719 got to go talk to the public public defenders. So 0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:53.520 they're talking to this public defender. He looks at the file. 0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:55.640 He goes, oh, yeah, Jerry, decide in forty minutes. 0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:55.879 What do you want? 0:49:56.440 --> 0:49:59.759 And Ellis is like, okay, well you're you know, you 0:49:59.760 --> 0:50:02.040 could have gone and asked for clemency, Like what's going on? 0:50:02.160 --> 0:50:04.440 He's like, fuck that Rhodes was the only witness for 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:06.719 the defense. He lied on the stand. He said he 0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:08.920 wasn't there, but the victim's blood was on his shoes 0:50:09.160 --> 0:50:11.479 and he said he did it. And Ellis goes, yeah, 0:50:11.520 --> 0:50:13.840 but the old attorney only met with him like for 0:50:13.920 --> 0:50:16.160 one day before his trial, and he goes, yeah. That 0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:19.680 lawyer was eventually disbarred. Like that's what's crazy too. It's 0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:23.440 just like personal people like people's lives are in the 0:50:23.480 --> 0:50:27.200 hands of disbarred maniacs who don't care that shopa day before. 0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:29.320 I mean, it is okay. 0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:32.640 So then this dude they're talking to looks uh, looks 0:50:32.719 --> 0:50:34.880 up and goes, listen, people are entitled to counsel, not 0:50:34.960 --> 0:50:38.680 the quality of the council. And Ellis goes, damn like 0:50:38.800 --> 0:50:41.239 mean mugs him, and Benson's like, listen, we found an 0:50:41.280 --> 0:50:42.840 abusive abuse background. 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:44.720 He's like, yeah, that's most of the cases. 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:48.239 The governor doesn't pardon murderers because they had a bad childhood. 0:50:48.520 --> 0:50:50.480 And Ellis has lost his patience and he's like, it 0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:52.319 took me two seconds to find out that the murder 0:50:52.400 --> 0:50:55.480 dude had like solicitation charges against young men, and I 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:57.399 need to prove that the defense attorney did not bring 0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:59.719 that shit to the jury but should have. And the 0:50:59.800 --> 0:51:02.680 dude stands up and goes, all right, it's just it's 0:51:02.840 --> 0:51:03.440 it's bad. 0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:04.720 What do you fucking want? 0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:06.799 Like, you know what I do is triage, Like I 0:51:06.840 --> 0:51:09.440 have people on death row for crimes they didn't even commit, 0:51:09.840 --> 0:51:11.759 Like this guy, a dan murder someone. What do you 0:51:11.840 --> 0:51:14.319 want from me? He goes, And if you think you 0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:17.359 could do a better job have at it, and Elis goes, yeah, 0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:20.120 that's what I fucking wanted. So they get all the infos. 0:51:20.120 --> 0:51:22.919 So Benson's back at like tyson seal and they need 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:25.040 him to talk, like they need him to talk, give 0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:27.640 us more. You know, you guys said you didn't know him, 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:29.880 but we know that he hired you for odd jobs. 0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:32.319 What was the odd job? How did you end up 0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:35.080 in his home? What was going on? He goes, stop, 0:51:35.239 --> 0:51:38.440 this is over. You know, it's like days before the death, 0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:41.440 Like I don't want like he doesn't want to, and 0:51:41.480 --> 0:51:43.239 that's how strong the shame is, Like you're dying in 0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:45.160 a few days and you still don't want to tell anyone. 0:51:45.680 --> 0:51:49.280 Ellis leaves to give Benson, you know, her time to shine. 0:51:49.440 --> 0:51:51.200 She she is the master of victims. 0:51:51.280 --> 0:51:54.000 So then he finally starts talking immediately like she actually 0:51:54.000 --> 0:51:56.040 doesn't have to do much, like just her presence in 0:51:56.120 --> 0:51:58.920 this moment finally got him to talk his uncle. I 0:51:58.920 --> 0:52:01.479 think him leaving the room too, like him not having 0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:04.279 to confess it in front of like another man is 0:52:04.360 --> 0:52:06.279 kind of like a little bit what gave her some 0:52:06.440 --> 0:52:11.040 of the yeah trust but also her yeah yeah, And 0:52:11.600 --> 0:52:13.759 so this is all really sad. So basically, his uncle 0:52:13.800 --> 0:52:15.520 put his mouth on him and he said, now you're 0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:16.920 a big boy, and this is what big boys do 0:52:17.000 --> 0:52:19.360 with men. And then it cuts to Benson in the 0:52:19.360 --> 0:52:21.799 car explaining everything else she heard to Ellis, and it's 0:52:21.800 --> 0:52:23.680 probably because Mike Tyson's not that good of an actor. 0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:27.960 And so after the uncle, it was the mother's boyfriend, 0:52:28.160 --> 0:52:30.080 and then the mom's pimp, and then at ten it 0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:31.240 was a teacher at school. 0:52:31.680 --> 0:52:33.200 These predators have such a radar. 0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:35.359 And then three years at camp and by the end 0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:37.560 Schultz was passing him around to all the other men, 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:40.560 and Reggie drops out of school, hitchhikes and ends up 0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:43.680 in Ohio. Dan First starts paying him for sex for 0:52:43.719 --> 0:52:46.000 over a year, and then one night after dan Forth 0:52:46.120 --> 0:52:47.880 was done with him, three other men walked into the 0:52:47.920 --> 0:52:50.480 garage worked him over all night, and then the next 0:52:50.560 --> 0:52:53.040 day Reggie comes back and kills him, kills dan Forth. 0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:53.960 Mike Tyson. 0:52:54.000 --> 0:52:56.840 Actually, Reggie was like, you know, I told the lawyer 0:52:57.280 --> 0:53:00.000 that the jury should hear this, and that his lawyer 0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:02.080 says him, it's best to just say you weren't even 0:53:02.120 --> 0:53:04.440 there at all. The lawyer is dead, though, but we 0:53:04.480 --> 0:53:06.520 need to get this information to the parole board, and 0:53:06.560 --> 0:53:09.640 we need confirmation of two tracks to like get this going. 0:53:10.000 --> 0:53:13.600 We need like the dan Forth information and what happened 0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:15.759 to him as a child. So Finn is talking to 0:53:15.760 --> 0:53:18.400 his sister, who works at Saint Michael's Hospital in the Bronx, 0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:21.440 and says, like, the uncle abused me at first, and 0:53:21.480 --> 0:53:23.680 then I'm mature, so like moved on to Reggie. And 0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:25.600 she's like, I was just glad it wasn't me anymore. 0:53:25.880 --> 0:53:28.040 I would stay at the library till close and read. 0:53:28.080 --> 0:53:29.839 And Finn's like, yeah, you're lucky. You know you got 0:53:29.880 --> 0:53:32.279 out put your brother's on death row. She says, I 0:53:32.320 --> 0:53:34.200 pray for him every day, and Finn is like, well, 0:53:34.239 --> 0:53:35.799 you know what he went through and it was more 0:53:35.840 --> 0:53:38.000 than just your uncle. And I know you couldn't protect 0:53:38.040 --> 0:53:40.960 him growing up, but help him now. Rollin's and tomorrow 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:43.960 give Sheltz a visit. And you could tell Rollins is 0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:47.080 sickened by this man. And he's like, oh my god, Reggie, 0:53:47.360 --> 0:53:49.960 when he came here, he didn't even have a toothbrush. 0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:52.520 He says, oh yeah, his mom was a crack addict. 0:53:53.320 --> 0:53:55.360 Twelve year old kid with a long rap sheet, but 0:53:55.440 --> 0:53:57.480 sweet kid, and you know, no one helped him, but 0:53:57.640 --> 0:54:00.759 me like, and then a young boy arrives. A young 0:54:00.800 --> 0:54:03.480 boy arrives. He's like, oh my god, this is so scary. 0:54:03.880 --> 0:54:06.920 He looks scared, he has a watering can. I'm so sad. 0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:08.560 And then Asner's like, I thought you were working on 0:54:08.600 --> 0:54:10.719 the dupe check dub Chack. Why can't I say his 0:54:10.800 --> 0:54:14.759 name dub Check? And it's like, well, they both came 0:54:14.800 --> 0:54:17.239 to this camp. And he's getting defensive and he's like, 0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:19.400 I'm sorry, like, and he hasn't asked her an excuse 0:54:19.440 --> 0:54:22.239 for everything, like these people usually do. And Omar was like, okay, 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:23.759 we're not saying it was you, but you told us 0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:26.160 if there's any whiff of trouble you'd kick out the 0:54:26.160 --> 0:54:29.040 counselor that did something. So did anything happen? And he shouts, 0:54:29.120 --> 0:54:31.520 you want me to lie? Rollins goes, well, the statue 0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:33.480 of limitations is gone, so you can talk and there's 0:54:33.520 --> 0:54:36.080 no liability for you or the camp. He looks stunned. 0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:38.560 He screams, get the hell out of here. I don't 0:54:38.600 --> 0:54:41.560 want that boy upstairs to hear any of this. Get out. 0:54:41.640 --> 0:54:43.879 He looks pissed. I want him dead. So then they 0:54:43.880 --> 0:54:46.360 go but I'm against the death penalty, okay. So they go. 0:54:46.400 --> 0:54:46.920 Talk to. 0:54:48.440 --> 0:54:52.040 It's like, fuck, that's why it's all so complicated. Yeah, 0:54:52.200 --> 0:54:55.280 I remembering it to do death penalty debates in high school. 0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:57.680 Me too. I wrote a paper about it, like fifth 0:54:57.719 --> 0:54:59.640 grade or something. Fifth grade. 0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:04.080 Yeah, capital punishment, fifth grade. 0:55:05.160 --> 0:55:07.920 So they go talk to this assistant prosecutor from that case. 0:55:07.960 --> 0:55:10.799 It was her first murder trial, and then the like 0:55:11.120 --> 0:55:14.680 it was her first time as lead counsel and she had, 0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:18.160 you know, like someone higher than her press, like the 0:55:18.280 --> 0:55:23.239 DA was her lead. What's it called, like a supervising Yeah. Yeah, 0:55:23.280 --> 0:55:24.560 And she said it was a good case. It was 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:27.080 a good case to cut my teeth on a man's 0:55:27.120 --> 0:55:33.480 fucking life. The courthouse in Ohio is gorgeous though, marble, gold, filigree, green. 0:55:33.560 --> 0:55:34.000 I love it. 0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:36.480 She goes it was an open and shutcase. What do 0:55:36.480 --> 0:55:39.799 you want And Benson's like, well, no, it's not. And 0:55:39.840 --> 0:55:41.640 she keeps trying to walk away and like you know, 0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:45.839 throwing stuff, and she's getting really defensive, and she's like, yeah, 0:55:45.880 --> 0:55:48.720 I was given the solicitation information and it's public record, 0:55:48.760 --> 0:55:50.200 and I gave it to the defense and they didn't 0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:52.960 use it. That's not my fault, and Benson seems suspicious 0:55:53.000 --> 0:55:56.640 since she's like, well, there are people, and Benson seems suspicious. 0:55:56.760 --> 0:55:58.520 And then this woman is like, there are people on 0:55:58.560 --> 0:56:01.920 death row that deserve clemency, but Reggie deserves to die, 0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:04.840 and you get to decide. Fuck, you get to decide 0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:08.680 who deserves to die. Also, I recognize this woman that's 0:56:08.680 --> 0:56:10.520 playing the lawyer, so I looked her up and she 0:56:10.680 --> 0:56:15.120 plays Sarah Hyland's mom in the Hothouse episode. Remember when 0:56:15.160 --> 0:56:17.600 she's like freaking out and she's like, we did do this. 0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:19.359 We did like we had to get the straight a's 0:56:19.360 --> 0:56:20.399 and blah blah, and it's not fair. 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:22.600 She's smarter than me. And the mom's like, calm down, 0:56:22.920 --> 0:56:23.520 that's the mom. 0:56:24.719 --> 0:56:27.080 I'm like, yeah, it's like a real woman, so we 0:56:27.120 --> 0:56:28.680 can't be mean about her. But I'm like, you thin 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:33.560 lipped bitch, because she's a good actor. She's a good actor. 0:56:34.360 --> 0:56:36.520 I hate her. So then you know, she goes off 0:56:36.520 --> 0:56:39.680 and Benson's like, wow, she seems defensive and he goes listen, 0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:41.840 she told us everything we actually needed to know. That 0:56:41.880 --> 0:56:44.279 the lawyer was given the record and didn't use it. 0:56:44.520 --> 0:56:46.840 That speaks to negligence, you know, Is that enough and 0:56:46.880 --> 0:56:48.840 it's like enough for a pearl board hearing, let's go. 0:56:49.400 --> 0:56:52.000 So his sister's talking to the board. Reggie is listening 0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:55.120 in a cage in the corner, and at seventeen, she 0:56:55.200 --> 0:56:57.440 saw his bloody under her when he was thirteen, and 0:56:57.480 --> 0:57:00.480 her mom saw it too and didn't say a fucking word. 0:57:01.600 --> 0:57:02.560 The mom was using. 0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:04.960 She felt sorry for Reggie, but she couldn't fight her 0:57:05.000 --> 0:57:07.600 and the mom's boyfriend, and she told the defense attorney 0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:09.440 about it, but his lawyer told her to shut the 0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:11.799 fuck up, and the jury did not need to know 0:57:11.840 --> 0:57:12.840 that Reggie. 0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:13.000 Was a homo. 0:57:14.200 --> 0:57:18.400 It's going good, and yeah, I don't know. 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:18.959 It's so hard. 0:57:18.960 --> 0:57:20.920 It's gonna be even harder to do this podcast with 0:57:20.960 --> 0:57:24.280 the new administrat because in my head him like everything 0:57:24.280 --> 0:57:27.000 that's disappearing and all the like things they want to 0:57:27.120 --> 0:57:32.280 hide and suppress, Like it's gonna just affect every you know, 0:57:32.360 --> 0:57:34.800 if you're not allowed to be publicly gay and then 0:57:35.560 --> 0:57:39.440 not like cases like this, like this lawyer, what a 0:57:39.440 --> 0:57:40.200 piece of shit. 0:57:40.280 --> 0:57:41.080 You'd rather. 0:57:42.440 --> 0:57:46.400 His client be sentenced to death then know that it 0:57:46.440 --> 0:57:48.720 was molested, And like just because you're molested, that doesn't 0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:51.600 mean you're gay, Like, yeah, you know, it's just gonna 0:57:51.640 --> 0:57:54.960 make everything so complicated. 0:57:55.840 --> 0:57:57.400 Yeah, whatever, So the. 0:57:58.200 --> 0:57:59.960 Pearl Board hearing is going good, but you know, the 0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:02.480 fifteen minutes left of this episode, so come on, use 0:58:02.480 --> 0:58:05.120 your user brains. So the woman in the cream suit 0:58:05.200 --> 0:58:09.000 speaks and and so then Ellis also, besides the sister's testimony, 0:58:09.280 --> 0:58:13.400 brings seven signed affidavits from og jurors saying if they 0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:17.120 knew about his past, they wouldn't have sentenced him to death. 0:58:17.720 --> 0:58:20.800 The man speaks and takes off his glasses, which is 0:58:20.840 --> 0:58:22.600 never good if someone takes off his glasses. He has 0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:25.680 something bad to say and goes. So now he admits 0:58:25.720 --> 0:58:27.320 to the murder. He denied the murder. Why would he 0:58:27.320 --> 0:58:28.800 admit it now? And it's like, are you not hearing 0:58:28.800 --> 0:58:30.840 any of this? And the lawyer like, I don't understand. 0:58:31.400 --> 0:58:34.360 I don't understand what is happening? Are you not hearing 0:58:34.480 --> 0:58:40.919 any of this? Okay, So they so basically, this board 0:58:40.920 --> 0:58:42.520 has twenty four hours to make the decision. 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:43.959 So now we wait. 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:46.680 So they go talk to him and his you know 0:58:46.960 --> 0:58:51.320 cell and the Borough board voted five to four against Reggie, 0:58:51.600 --> 0:58:53.120 and he's like, what the fuck? 0:58:53.200 --> 0:58:53.439 How? 0:58:54.040 --> 0:58:56.920 And so Benson and Ellis are now at a counter 0:58:57.040 --> 0:58:59.080 there's a lot of muffins, and Benson's like, what the 0:58:59.080 --> 0:59:03.040 fuck they read the defense was unconstitutionally deficient, So what 0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:03.760 is going on? 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:05.480 This doesn't make sense? What am I missing? 0:59:06.120 --> 0:59:08.640 And Ellis was like, well, four of those five votes 0:59:08.680 --> 0:59:10.920 are ex cops and CEOs, and Benson's like, yeah, they 0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:13.080 were like rolling their eyes while their you know, while 0:59:13.120 --> 0:59:16.439 the sister talks. And then the fifth one, she asked 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:18.720 all the right questions. She's this woman in the cream suit, 0:59:18.760 --> 0:59:21.320 she's being positive, she's the head of social services. 0:59:21.360 --> 0:59:22.040 What's going on? 0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:25.240 And Alice goes, well, guess what, she should have fucking 0:59:25.240 --> 0:59:28.680 recused herself for bias and not even been on this 0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:32.200 because he got an off the record call that morning 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:34.880 that said that that Cream's suited bitch is married to 0:59:34.960 --> 0:59:38.600 Jim Harrison, who is the lead prosecutor who supervised the 0:59:38.640 --> 0:59:41.840 thin lipped lawyer, and that she cut her case on 0:59:41.880 --> 0:59:42.680 Reggie's trial. 0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:48.200 Yes, this is a big dune. Done. Was that clear? Yes? 0:59:48.680 --> 0:59:51.040 Okay, so she shouldn't even be on this because she's 0:59:51.040 --> 0:59:54.160 married to a man that was involved in the original case. Yeah, 0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:57.680 Like that's that these people are evil, putting someone to 0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:02.400 death for ea for your husband's record, Like because it's 1:00:02.400 --> 1:00:05.120 gonna because it's gonna like take away something from your 1:00:05.200 --> 1:00:08.920 husband's like like you know, stats as how many convictions 1:00:08.960 --> 1:00:09.480 he's gotten. 1:00:10.320 --> 1:00:15.760 Oh but guess what ellis there's one last shot. Okay, 1:00:16.320 --> 1:00:19.960 so well, and then Benzic goes who was rigged and 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:22.640 he's like, well, it's been rigged against Reggie from the start. 1:00:22.800 --> 1:00:24.880 You know, he had like a crackhead mom like, yeah, 1:00:24.920 --> 1:00:26.280 it's been rigged against him. 1:00:26.880 --> 1:00:28.600 So now they're at the judge's office. 1:00:28.600 --> 1:00:31.360 Who's like, wow, these are huge accusations like that the 1:00:31.480 --> 1:00:33.440 prosecutors or defense like hit evidence. 1:00:33.560 --> 1:00:34.160 Oh my god. 1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:38.080 And he's like yeah, they fucking suck. And she goes, well, 1:00:38.120 --> 1:00:39.880 he's had twenty years to work on this. Why is 1:00:39.920 --> 1:00:42.280 it like five days before? This seems like a hail Mary? 1:00:42.320 --> 1:00:44.439 And it's like, ya, it is, it is. It's yeah, 1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:47.720 the life they're begging. She won't grant a stay of 1:00:47.760 --> 1:00:50.840 execution though, She says, you can have the files and 1:00:50.880 --> 1:00:52.760 you have till noon to figure something out. And he goes, 1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:54.640 it's only five o'clock. It's not even twenty four hours. 1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:58.400 She goes, take it or leave it. He goes, yeah, thanks, 1:00:58.400 --> 1:01:01.360 your honor you dumb hunt. And so then Benson and 1:01:01.360 --> 1:01:05.520 Baird are in a hotel room, files photos everywhere, papers, papers, papers, 1:01:05.520 --> 1:01:07.920 looking for clues and they find a clue. So like 1:01:08.600 --> 1:01:11.000 in the crime scene of dan Forth, there's blood everywhere, 1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:13.360 but in the middle of all the blood, there's like 1:01:13.400 --> 1:01:17.520 a square area that's sanate, like that's clean, So there 1:01:17.520 --> 1:01:19.720 was no blood there, so something was there. But this 1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:22.440 means these photos are of a sanitized crime scene. What 1:01:22.720 --> 1:01:25.640 was that square? What we find out they're polaroids, their photos. 1:01:25.680 --> 1:01:28.440 Stacks of photos were taken away and not shown. They 1:01:28.440 --> 1:01:31.960 fell on the floor during like the struggle when you know, 1:01:32.040 --> 1:01:34.960 Mike Heysen came back and so then he saw all 1:01:35.000 --> 1:01:37.640 the photos and that's what set him off because there 1:01:37.720 --> 1:01:40.960 was like photos of the assaults and rapes and he 1:01:41.000 --> 1:01:44.120 didn't want them scene and so so the photos are 1:01:44.160 --> 1:01:47.800 what set him off. He hates photos. So who else 1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:50.440 took photos of him? Because in the cell I missed 1:01:50.480 --> 1:01:54.240 this through the recap, but like he why did he 1:01:54.280 --> 1:01:57.480 say doesn't take photos? There was like a scene like 1:01:57.800 --> 1:01:59.680 h he goes, I don't like to have my picture. 1:01:59.440 --> 1:02:03.760 Taken because I think, yeah, because he's saying I don't 1:02:03.760 --> 1:02:05.439 want my pearshaken. And then I think he's saying because 1:02:05.480 --> 1:02:08.160 I know been happening, like it happened when he was 1:02:08.200 --> 1:02:08.720 a kid. 1:02:09.280 --> 1:02:12.880 Oh he never said it before it happened here, right, yeah, okay, yeah, 1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:15.280 so then you know he doesn't like having his photos taken. 1:02:15.360 --> 1:02:17.000 He just does not like it, the photos or what 1:02:17.080 --> 1:02:19.560 set him off. So that means and there had They're like, 1:02:19.560 --> 1:02:21.959 oh other photos and videos exist, so like who else 1:02:22.000 --> 1:02:24.840 did that? So now they're talking to Janitor Carisi zop 1:02:24.920 --> 1:02:27.600 Check and it was you know what that last name 1:02:27.640 --> 1:02:28.680 reminds me of the other two. 1:02:29.040 --> 1:02:32.480 Isn't that their last name? Do Beck? Yeah? Is bec 1:02:33.200 --> 1:02:36.800 in that? Yeah? I'm like, why am I so fucking 1:02:37.520 --> 1:02:37.919 right now? 1:02:39.080 --> 1:02:44.760 But Janitor crisis like it was humiliating Coach Schultz videotape 1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:47.360 me and him in the basement and if he said 1:02:47.560 --> 1:02:49.840 he and then said if I told anyone, he would 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:52.360 show everyone the photos. So it's like, yeah, that's why 1:02:52.400 --> 1:02:55.520 there hasn't been a complaint fifty years. Craig in Yeah, 1:02:55.560 --> 1:02:57.560 he doesn't want anyone to know, like he wants help, 1:02:57.680 --> 1:02:59.720 Like he just doesn't want anyone to know about these photos. 1:02:59.720 --> 1:03:01.880 But it's rush time. We got to save this man's life. 1:03:02.040 --> 1:03:03.960 So Finn and Tomorrow are walking out of the prison 1:03:04.080 --> 1:03:06.280 being like, fuck statue of limitations, like what are we 1:03:06.320 --> 1:03:09.280 gonna do? Are we gonna get this guy? And Tomorrow goes, no, dude, 1:03:09.280 --> 1:03:11.640 not for possession of child porn. There's no limits. So 1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:15.040 we need to find the fucking photos. So Schultz remembers 1:03:15.080 --> 1:03:18.000 details of what boys wore, so that means he probably 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:20.480 watches these all the time, Like why would he remember. 1:03:21.800 --> 1:03:22.280 Years ago? 1:03:22.760 --> 1:03:25.200 Wow, I didn't even catch that. Yeah, we need to 1:03:25.200 --> 1:03:25.800 find this shit. 1:03:25.920 --> 1:03:29.120 So it's a full on search at this house and 1:03:29.160 --> 1:03:31.160 the little boy in the watering can comes out and 1:03:31.200 --> 1:03:33.280 Tomorrow's trying to like talk to him to try to 1:03:33.280 --> 1:03:35.640 get information, and then it cuts back to court and 1:03:35.680 --> 1:03:38.160 the prosecutor bitches on the stand and I can't wait 1:03:38.200 --> 1:03:40.240 for Ellis to get her asked. So then she was like, 1:03:40.280 --> 1:03:42.480 the the murderer was brutal as fuck, and I was 1:03:42.480 --> 1:03:45.040 trying to get justice for the murdered person, and I 1:03:45.040 --> 1:03:47.360 worked hard every single day and the fact and the 1:03:47.400 --> 1:03:50.840 Adiada court. So then we're back to the search going on, 1:03:51.160 --> 1:03:53.880 and Pablo goes, well, Schultz asked me to burn all 1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:56.680 of this after you came looking around and it's all 1:03:56.680 --> 1:04:00.000 these burnt up videotapes and all this evidence and he's 1:04:00.000 --> 1:04:01.960 and Omar's like, you burnt it all, and Pablo goes 1:04:01.960 --> 1:04:05.080 the fire ran out before everything was burnt. 1:04:05.840 --> 1:04:08.200 Okay. Back to trial. 1:04:08.760 --> 1:04:11.800 Alice is like, Okay, you said that they were strangers, 1:04:11.800 --> 1:04:14.040 but they had a prior relationship. So did you know 1:04:14.120 --> 1:04:16.200 about everything about the case or do you suck at 1:04:16.240 --> 1:04:18.920 your job? And she's like, yeah, there's evidence theying to 1:04:19.000 --> 1:04:21.040 each other. And she's not shaken. She has an answer 1:04:21.080 --> 1:04:24.200 for everything. And then we're back at the house. So 1:04:24.240 --> 1:04:26.600 then the g I love his car. It sucks. So 1:04:26.680 --> 1:04:29.720 jeep Grand Cherokee pulls up and the pedophile camp guy 1:04:30.000 --> 1:04:30.760 and he's screaming. 1:04:30.800 --> 1:04:33.120 He's like, get out of here, blah blah blah, you 1:04:33.160 --> 1:04:34.960 need a warrant. And then he. 1:04:35.000 --> 1:04:39.080 Starts screaming like the house doesn't include the shed. 1:04:39.120 --> 1:04:41.080 You can't be in my shed. This is illegal. He 1:04:41.080 --> 1:04:43.240 starts talking about things being an admissible in court or not. 1:04:43.720 --> 1:04:45.560 And for for you just to be a camp director 1:04:45.560 --> 1:04:48.520 and know all this legal shit, like clearly you're a criminal. 1:04:48.680 --> 1:04:52.240 You've known yeah, And so Rollins goes, shut up. It 1:04:52.400 --> 1:04:55.920 SAIDs property, not house. And he looks at Pablo and 1:04:56.080 --> 1:04:58.840 is like, I gave you everything. I told you to 1:04:58.880 --> 1:05:00.840 do one thing. How fuck dare you? And then he 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:03.880 grabs the little boy's neck and pulls him down and says, 1:05:04.080 --> 1:05:07.000 you sold me out, your little bastard. So Omaro grabs 1:05:07.000 --> 1:05:09.520 his ass and he keeps using more legal terms. I'm 1:05:09.520 --> 1:05:13.600 the boy's legal guardian, you fucking creep and whatever. He 1:05:13.680 --> 1:05:17.000 keeps screaming, and the watering canboy is scared, so then 1:05:17.920 --> 1:05:21.480 he calls everyone idiots. I'm the only father they ever had. 1:05:21.680 --> 1:05:23.920 So we're back in court and then we're back to 1:05:23.960 --> 1:05:26.560 blood and the square of the photos. That's like, what's 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:28.960 going on in court right now? So they were missing 1:05:29.000 --> 1:05:31.080 and she never got them. So Alice is like, let 1:05:31.080 --> 1:05:34.280 me get this straight. You didn't investigate mister dan Force's 1:05:34.320 --> 1:05:37.600 criminal history of soliciting the young men. You knew nothing 1:05:37.800 --> 1:05:40.959 about mister Rhodes's history of sexual abuse, and you knew 1:05:41.000 --> 1:05:44.240 nothing about dan Forth like paying mister Rhodes for sex. 1:05:45.040 --> 1:05:48.160 So are you bad at your job or did you 1:05:48.240 --> 1:05:51.240 intentionally hide all of this from the defense. She goes 1:05:51.280 --> 1:05:53.200 absolutely not, I would have never done that, and the 1:05:53.240 --> 1:05:55.080 sister and Benson are in the stands and they like 1:05:55.160 --> 1:05:56.720 kind of give a look to each other like fuck 1:05:56.760 --> 1:05:59.160 you did, bitch, And so then they hate her and 1:05:59.200 --> 1:06:01.600 hopefully Ellis is gonna bury her. She goes, Okay, I 1:06:01.600 --> 1:06:03.840 guess I could have fucked up a little, but it's 1:06:03.880 --> 1:06:07.240 because of my inexperience. I would have never purposely withhold 1:06:07.320 --> 1:06:09.920 evidence to put a man on death row. But also, like, 1:06:09.960 --> 1:06:11.640 what the fuck is up with the process like the 1:06:11.680 --> 1:06:14.880 DA's office that they would put like someone's first lead 1:06:14.920 --> 1:06:18.800 case to be a capital punishment case. Yeah, yeah, I 1:06:18.880 --> 1:06:21.240 got so fucked up. But don't worry, because he has 1:06:21.240 --> 1:06:23.880 more evidence. And he hands her a bunch of notes, right, 1:06:23.920 --> 1:06:27.760 and it's like an envelope, and he goes, what's on 1:06:27.800 --> 1:06:29.919 the outside of the envelope And it says to mister 1:06:30.040 --> 1:06:37.240 Harrison from mL Marnie Lathrop and that's her, okay, and 1:06:37.320 --> 1:06:42.120 so and it says FYEO for your eyes only, not 1:06:42.280 --> 1:06:44.680 to be shared with the defense, and now read from 1:06:44.760 --> 1:06:47.000 this page, bitch. And it's in her handwriting, and what 1:06:47.040 --> 1:06:48.680 does it say? And she goes, I don't want to 1:06:48.760 --> 1:06:50.880 use this language. It makes me feel uncomfortable. And he goes, well, 1:06:50.880 --> 1:06:53.000 you wrote it, so why don't you say it? Yeah, 1:06:53.080 --> 1:06:55.760 and the judge gets mad, and the judge goes read it, 1:06:55.960 --> 1:06:57.800 and so she's pissed, but she has to read it. 1:06:58.240 --> 1:07:00.840 And now that she's a perjury bitch, I can't wait. 1:07:00.960 --> 1:07:04.400 Let's put her on the death row. So further notes. 1:07:05.040 --> 1:07:09.080 So then this is what it says on the notes. 1:07:09.120 --> 1:07:13.600 Further notes on the F word squad Reggie Rhoades odd 1:07:13.680 --> 1:07:17.920 jobs for Reggie Danforth may refer to sexual favors. Enclosed 1:07:18.040 --> 1:07:22.720 envelope contains photos found at scene, sexually explicit images of 1:07:22.840 --> 1:07:26.960 victim and defendant. Does that jog your memory, bitch? And 1:07:27.040 --> 1:07:29.240 the photos are in the envelope. 1:07:29.600 --> 1:07:30.800 And even when. 1:07:30.560 --> 1:07:34.080 This became a death penalty case, she held onto these 1:07:34.120 --> 1:07:36.840 photos that she had. She knew she had them, she 1:07:36.880 --> 1:07:39.640 did not bring them up. And now you're perjuring on 1:07:39.680 --> 1:07:42.760 the fucking stand. So she didn't share them with anyone 1:07:42.880 --> 1:07:45.400 but her supervisor. And it's like Ellis got her. The 1:07:45.440 --> 1:07:48.520 sister looks satisfied. Benson touches the sister's knee, like we 1:07:48.600 --> 1:07:52.320 got her. The judges disgusted, grants a stay of execution. 1:07:52.880 --> 1:07:55.800 You know, death warrant will expire. Benson and Ellis share 1:07:55.800 --> 1:07:58.080 a beautiful. Look Benson and the sister hug. 1:07:58.200 --> 1:07:58.600 We won. 1:07:59.080 --> 1:08:01.760 We won, Reggie, the state will look at the case. 1:08:01.880 --> 1:08:03.919 We got you a new trial. You're gonna be moved 1:08:03.920 --> 1:08:08.040 to a different prison. He hugs both of them. At Asner, though, 1:08:08.120 --> 1:08:11.160 is in shackles. He's not in an orange jumpsuit, he's 1:08:11.160 --> 1:08:14.360 in a brown one. And he's like being walked into prison. 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:17.000 And guess who's in the bars, in behind the bars 1:08:17.400 --> 1:08:19.879 looking at him walking into prison the janitor. 1:08:20.400 --> 1:08:22.720 So now the janitor behind bars. 1:08:22.640 --> 1:08:26.240 Is seeing the person that like molested him in the prison. 1:08:26.400 --> 1:08:28.200 And that's a crazy end because in my head, I'm like, 1:08:28.400 --> 1:08:30.240 do you think he's like fuck, yeah, the guy's arrested, 1:08:30.360 --> 1:08:31.559 or like, oh, I'm gonna stab him. 1:08:31.640 --> 1:08:33.439 Like what do you think is going? Like what is 1:08:33.479 --> 1:08:33.920 this end? 1:08:33.960 --> 1:08:37.000 Do you think obviously that's sick wolf baby? But like, yeah, 1:08:37.040 --> 1:08:37.800 I'm curious. 1:08:38.320 --> 1:08:40.240 Well, I'll tell you the real cases and we'll see 1:08:40.280 --> 1:08:45.639 what's up, because I think Carreese janitor has like nothing 1:08:45.680 --> 1:08:46.040 to lose. 1:08:46.120 --> 1:08:48.439 He's not gonna see daylight again. He's like he, well, 1:08:48.479 --> 1:08:49.040 he murdered. 1:08:49.120 --> 1:08:52.400 Well, actually he's actually just has two assault cases. Nobody 1:08:52.439 --> 1:08:54.960 died of the guys he attacked so he could get out. 1:08:55.400 --> 1:08:55.920 So I don't know. 1:08:55.960 --> 1:08:58.040 I hope he doesn't murder the guy and get life, 1:08:58.080 --> 1:09:01.759 but we'll see. That's I'm sure he'll make his lifetime 1:09:01.800 --> 1:09:03.200 in prison very difficult. 1:09:03.240 --> 1:09:12.280 At least. There are a lot of. 1:09:12.280 --> 1:09:14.799 Cases that this draws from, So I'm gonna dive right 1:09:14.880 --> 1:09:18.640 in the first. Okay, the dub check part of this 1:09:18.840 --> 1:09:25.080 episode is based I think on John Gagan. John Joseph 1:09:25.240 --> 1:09:29.160 Jack Gagan was a Catholic priest in the Archdiocese of Boston. 1:09:29.240 --> 1:09:31.440 Maybe you've heard of them from a little movie called Spotlight, 1:09:31.920 --> 1:09:35.640 and he was a serial child rapist. This priest was 1:09:35.680 --> 1:09:38.360 accused of sexually abusing one hundred and thirty boys at 1:09:38.400 --> 1:09:41.160 least over his thirty year career, and, in a classic 1:09:41.200 --> 1:09:44.360 move from the Catholic Church playbook, happens in six parishes 1:09:44.400 --> 1:09:46.799 because obviously, you know, they shuffle this guy's ass around. 1:09:47.320 --> 1:09:47.760 He was. 1:09:47.920 --> 1:09:50.519 Gagan was defrocked in nineteen ninety eight by Pope John 1:09:50.560 --> 1:09:53.519 Paul the Second. He was found guilty in February two 1:09:53.560 --> 1:09:57.120 thousand and two of indecent assault and battery for grabbing 1:09:57.160 --> 1:09:59.559 a ten year old boy's butt in a swimming pool 1:09:59.600 --> 1:10:01.599 at the Wall Fam Boys and Girls Club in nineteen 1:10:01.640 --> 1:10:04.639 ninety one and was sentenced to nine to ten years 1:10:04.640 --> 1:10:06.760 in prison. And I'm like, he got nine to ten 1:10:06.800 --> 1:10:08.760 years in prison for grabbing a butt. I think it's 1:10:08.840 --> 1:10:11.720 like there were other cases. He was prosecuted in two 1:10:11.800 --> 1:10:14.679 other sexual abuse cases. One was dropped because the victim 1:10:14.680 --> 1:10:17.240 decided not to testify, and in the second one a 1:10:17.360 --> 1:10:20.759 judge dismissed the conviction in two rapes because the statute 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:25.200 of limitations had run out, which is just so gross. 1:10:25.200 --> 1:10:28.919 This whole statute of limitations thing is like ugh. At first, 1:10:29.200 --> 1:10:32.280 the Archdioces of Boston initially agreed to pay eighty six 1:10:32.680 --> 1:10:36.000 victims thirty million dollars in a settlement. Then they pulled 1:10:36.000 --> 1:10:38.519 out and eventually settled for ten million. They're always trying 1:10:38.560 --> 1:10:41.400 to save a buck. Gagan was serving his sentence in 1:10:41.439 --> 1:10:45.839 protective custody at SUSA Baranowski Correctional Center in Lancaster, mass 1:10:46.320 --> 1:10:50.719 There was another inmate there named Joseph Lee Druce, which 1:10:50.840 --> 1:10:53.719 is his name he named himself. He was born Darren 1:10:53.840 --> 1:10:56.960 Ernest Smile Edge and he changed his name in prison. 1:10:57.240 --> 1:10:58.720 I don't know what the deal was, but he was 1:10:58.760 --> 1:11:01.280 serving life without parole for killing a man who came 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:04.360 on to him. He was a self proclaimed neo Nazi 1:11:04.479 --> 1:11:07.439 and once mailed his own feces to the state's attorney general, 1:11:08.000 --> 1:11:12.960 and just two years later he sent anthrax hoax letters 1:11:13.000 --> 1:11:14.719 to lawyers with Jewish last names. 1:11:14.760 --> 1:11:16.040 So not a good guy. 1:11:16.520 --> 1:11:19.280 But Druce had been sexually abused in boarding school as 1:11:19.280 --> 1:11:22.639 a child. He heard that Gagan had taught another inmate 1:11:22.680 --> 1:11:25.719 how to sexually abuse children, So for a month, Druce 1:11:25.840 --> 1:11:29.000 plotted to murder Gagan. He wanted revenge on all sex 1:11:29.439 --> 1:11:32.920 child sex abusers. On August twenty third, two thousand and three, 1:11:33.120 --> 1:11:35.960 Druce followed sixty eight year old Gagan into his cell 1:11:36.040 --> 1:11:38.960 after lunch and jammed the door so that the corrections 1:11:39.000 --> 1:11:42.040 officers could not get in. He bound and gag Gagan 1:11:42.080 --> 1:11:44.679 with a bedsheet, and then he strangled him and stomped 1:11:44.720 --> 1:11:48.439 him to death. He repeatedly jumped from the bed onto 1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:51.799 Gagan's motionless body and also beat him with his fists. 1:11:52.360 --> 1:11:56.439 The cause of death was ligature strangulation and blunt chest trauma. 1:11:56.960 --> 1:11:59.360 Prison officials were questioned like, hey, why would you keep 1:11:59.400 --> 1:12:00.919 these two men the same unit. 1:12:00.680 --> 1:12:02.559 For protective custody? Like a lot, Like. 1:12:02.920 --> 1:12:05.320 What's going on with like the dumb check stuff, and 1:12:05.360 --> 1:12:08.320 it was alleged that the CEOs had been warned also 1:12:08.520 --> 1:12:11.799 that by another inmate that Drews planned to attack Gagan. Also, 1:12:11.920 --> 1:12:15.080 in addition, usually two officers are stationed in that unit, 1:12:15.160 --> 1:12:17.000 but at the time there was only one and he 1:12:17.040 --> 1:12:19.960 had left to take another inmate to the infirmary. Supposedly, 1:12:20.320 --> 1:12:23.160 staffing cuts were to blame for making the prison like 1:12:23.240 --> 1:12:28.160 more dangerous, more volatile. So there had been speculation that 1:12:28.840 --> 1:12:31.479 also that Druce was killing Gagan as a hit, like 1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:33.600 someone had offered to pay him, but also that he 1:12:33.600 --> 1:12:35.519 thought it would earn him cred in the prison if 1:12:35.560 --> 1:12:37.800 he killed him. He's got by the way, Druce is 1:12:37.800 --> 1:12:39.960 in their life without possibility of parole, so he's like 1:12:40.520 --> 1:12:44.040 I could do whatever I want. Drews was found guilty 1:12:44.160 --> 1:12:46.120 of first degree murder in two thousand and six. 1:12:46.240 --> 1:12:49.200 And for me is it's like I wonder because obviously 1:12:49.280 --> 1:12:52.040 you're in prison for life, so frame of mind is different. 1:12:52.520 --> 1:12:56.240 But it's like you can be in solidary because like 1:12:56.280 --> 1:12:56.919 I'm thinking. 1:12:56.760 --> 1:13:01.559 About escape Dan Mora, but it's like obviously you want 1:13:01.560 --> 1:13:03.599 to try to escape, of course, but like now he's 1:13:03.600 --> 1:13:07.639 gonna sell alone twenty four hour surveillance at all times. Yeah, 1:13:07.720 --> 1:13:09.080 it's like you did have it good. So it's like 1:13:09.120 --> 1:13:11.360 you have nothing to lose, but you do, Yeah, you do. 1:13:11.520 --> 1:13:14.799 You do within prison either ben pop or you're alone 1:13:14.840 --> 1:13:16.200 in a cell for twenty three hours a day. 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:18.000 It's like, I but. 1:13:19.479 --> 1:13:21.360 Mind frame is obviously different between me sitting on the 1:13:21.400 --> 1:13:22.519 outside like thinking about. 1:13:22.280 --> 1:13:25.919 This right, and he's he's possibly not a mentally well individual. 1:13:25.960 --> 1:13:27.840 He's mailing a shit to people, you know, like I 1:13:27.880 --> 1:13:30.760 don't know, so, like, you know, he's maybe not considering it. 1:13:30.800 --> 1:13:32.240 He's like, if I kill this guy, I'm gonna be 1:13:32.280 --> 1:13:34.560 the most cool guy in the prison. Yeah, but you 1:13:34.640 --> 1:13:36.920 might be by yourself befriending a cockroach, you know, Like 1:13:36.960 --> 1:13:37.400 we don't know. 1:13:38.080 --> 1:13:38.200 So. 1:13:39.960 --> 1:13:42.559 He is found guilty of first degree murder for Gagan's 1:13:42.640 --> 1:13:44.879 murder in two thousand and six and was again sentenced 1:13:44.920 --> 1:13:48.439 to life like a second life sentence without possibility of parole. 1:13:48.800 --> 1:13:52.280 The following year, the Boston Harold gets a handwritten letter 1:13:52.439 --> 1:13:56.120 signed Joseph Lee Drews that said the truth about officer 1:13:56.200 --> 1:13:59.600 involvement in John Gagan's death, along with an address for 1:13:59.640 --> 1:14:03.600 a YouTube video. The video contained security footage from the 1:14:03.640 --> 1:14:06.960 prison showing five CEOs attempting to open the cell door 1:14:07.000 --> 1:14:10.320 for ten minutes, and it also showed emergency personnel trying 1:14:10.320 --> 1:14:13.000 to resuscitate Gagan. I don't really know how this is 1:14:13.000 --> 1:14:15.320 the truth. This is like what people are saying happened. 1:14:15.320 --> 1:14:18.680 I think they investigated who posted the video, but it's 1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:20.479 unclear if they ever found out who it was. But 1:14:20.800 --> 1:14:23.479 it was from an internal security camera, so it must 1:14:23.479 --> 1:14:25.720 have been someone who worked at the Department of Corrections. 1:14:26.080 --> 1:14:29.280 And that's kind of the end of that story. Quote. 1:14:29.320 --> 1:14:33.400 Many victims are disappointed end quote, said Mitchell Gara Badian, 1:14:33.439 --> 1:14:35.600 who was a lawyer representing more than two hundred of 1:14:35.640 --> 1:14:39.719 Gagan's victims and other clergy. They quote, they wish father 1:14:39.840 --> 1:14:42.240 John Gagan had time to be in prison to reflect 1:14:42.600 --> 1:14:46.200 end quote. So some of the like I was reading that, 1:14:46.240 --> 1:14:48.519 some of the victims were like, well, he can't hurt 1:14:48.520 --> 1:14:51.040 anybody anymore. But also we wanted him to reflect on 1:14:51.040 --> 1:14:52.479 his crimes. So we didn't want it because this was 1:14:52.560 --> 1:14:53.800 less than a year that he was in jail when 1:14:53.840 --> 1:14:54.400 he was murdered. 1:14:54.640 --> 1:14:55.360 It was very quick. 1:14:55.840 --> 1:14:59.719 So now the Martin Schultz case seems to be based 1:14:59.760 --> 1:15:03.200 on a guy named Claudius Vermilier. I don't really know 1:15:03.240 --> 1:15:04.439 how to say this last name, but I'm going to 1:15:04.479 --> 1:15:08.120 say it like that. He is another defrocked priest, but 1:15:08.240 --> 1:15:12.680 this time an Episcopalian defract priest. He operated what was 1:15:12.720 --> 1:15:16.719 called the Boys Farm at Rourke's Cove in Alto, Tennessee, 1:15:16.960 --> 1:15:19.920 a farming community in the Appalachian Foothills, between nineteen seventy 1:15:19.920 --> 1:15:21.880 one and nineteen seventy six. He was known by the 1:15:21.880 --> 1:15:26.160 locals as Bud. He marketed the farm as a rehabilitation 1:15:26.240 --> 1:15:29.200 center for homeless and wayward use, a place where quote 1:15:29.360 --> 1:15:33.960 boys could learn self respect and responsibility end quote. Troubled 1:15:33.960 --> 1:15:38.200 boys were placed into his custody by courts, welfare agencies, 1:15:38.240 --> 1:15:41.280 and sometimes by their own parents, you know, very Paris 1:15:41.320 --> 1:15:44.000 Hilton parents sending her to this like you know, scared 1:15:44.000 --> 1:15:48.840 straight camp or whatever. Vermilier sexually abused these boys aged 1:15:48.840 --> 1:15:51.280 eleven to sixteen. Also took photos of it, which he 1:15:51.320 --> 1:15:54.519 developed in his own photo lab. Then he disseminated the 1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:57.839 photos to people for money, both in and out of Tennessee. 1:15:58.240 --> 1:16:00.639 And another gross detail is that he use the boys 1:16:00.640 --> 1:16:03.559 themselves to help with this whole mailing business, like they 1:16:03.600 --> 1:16:06.559 would put these mailing packages together of photos of their 1:16:06.600 --> 1:16:08.280 own abuse and like, okay, we got to get these 1:16:08.280 --> 1:16:11.519 out to all the customers. He also brought in John's. 1:16:11.560 --> 1:16:14.120 He pimped the boys out to other men like sounds 1:16:14.160 --> 1:16:17.760 like an absolute nightmare. And you know, these kind of 1:16:17.800 --> 1:16:19.479 men think that they are never going to get caught. 1:16:19.479 --> 1:16:22.840 So he was advertising in porno magazines. He the law 1:16:22.880 --> 1:16:25.879 caught wind of his farm and like the back pages, 1:16:25.920 --> 1:16:28.559 like the backpages of porn magazines, he was advertising like, oh, 1:16:28.600 --> 1:16:31.200 I've got you know, I've got this farm where you can, 1:16:31.400 --> 1:16:34.559 you know, come to have some companionship with boys or whatever. 1:16:35.160 --> 1:16:39.840 And the law enforcement caught wind of that via these 1:16:39.880 --> 1:16:43.080 advertisements and what they heard what was going on down there. 1:16:43.400 --> 1:16:47.040 So Vermilier was arrested in November of nineteen seventy six. 1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:51.040 When they searched the premises, they discovered developed and underdeveloped 1:16:51.360 --> 1:16:54.000 photographs of child sex abuse images, as well as card 1:16:54.040 --> 1:16:58.000 catalog containing the names of hundreds of current and previous 1:16:58.040 --> 1:17:02.479 financial contributors, so customers, if you will. Many of these 1:17:02.560 --> 1:17:07.120 contributors eventually testified against him for immunity. Several of the 1:17:07.160 --> 1:17:11.480 boys who testified said their relationship with Vermilier was consensual. 1:17:11.640 --> 1:17:14.760 None of them mentioned being forced. He's obviously brainwashed all 1:17:14.760 --> 1:17:17.040 of them. I have photos, I have pictures, Like the 1:17:17.400 --> 1:17:18.559 people are going to find out what you did. 1:17:18.640 --> 1:17:19.479 Blah blah blah. 1:17:19.840 --> 1:17:22.880 One boy did testify that it was understood that posing 1:17:22.920 --> 1:17:25.400 for these photos was necessary if you wanted to stay 1:17:25.400 --> 1:17:29.080 on the farm. But the prosecutor had two thousand photos 1:17:29.360 --> 1:17:32.920 thirteen letters that he wrote to a Delaware quote unquote 1:17:32.920 --> 1:17:36.920 customer offering slide sets for twenty five dollars and touting 1:17:36.920 --> 1:17:39.080 the skills of two fifteen year old boys at the farm. 1:17:39.360 --> 1:17:41.000 He was forced to admit that he had sent these 1:17:41.080 --> 1:17:45.760 nude photos and sex filled letters to some homosexual sponsors. 1:17:45.880 --> 1:17:48.880 Is what the words are. But he denied knowledge or. 1:17:48.880 --> 1:17:51.160 Responsibility for most of the photographs and said that he 1:17:51.200 --> 1:17:53.120 had shot a few of them for an artist, but 1:17:53.240 --> 1:17:57.280 also that he was using them for sublimination counseling with 1:17:57.400 --> 1:17:59.840 his homosexual clients, like in an effort to keep their 1:18:00.000 --> 1:18:04.000 desires in the closet. Like I looked up some elimination counseling, 1:18:04.000 --> 1:18:06.360 and it was like turning something bad into good, Like 1:18:06.400 --> 1:18:07.840 I think it was like, hey, if you just have 1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:09.680 these pictures, you don't have to go out and like 1:18:09.920 --> 1:18:13.639 find any underage boys to assault, you know, So that's 1:18:13.640 --> 1:18:15.960 what he claimed he was doing. He also claimed that 1:18:15.960 --> 1:18:18.160 the rest of the photographs that they found were planted 1:18:18.320 --> 1:18:22.519 by agents of an unspecified national child porn ring quote 1:18:22.600 --> 1:18:27.080 unquote national child porn ring. So Vermilie also used this 1:18:27.120 --> 1:18:30.760 is horrible. He also used his own son, William for 1:18:31.000 --> 1:18:34.160 child sex abuse images, but William disappeared in the summer 1:18:34.200 --> 1:18:36.200 of nineteen seventy four and was never found. 1:18:36.520 --> 1:18:37.720 Are you fucking kidding me? 1:18:38.320 --> 1:18:38.400 No? 1:18:38.960 --> 1:18:40.800 So I killed them obviously. 1:18:40.520 --> 1:18:45.439 But I did find I found Vermilier's obituary, and in 1:18:45.479 --> 1:18:49.080 the obituary it said he's predeceased by his son William. 1:18:49.560 --> 1:18:51.880 I don't know if he's been declared dead. Maybe it's 1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:54.240 a girl with the dragon tattoo type of thing where 1:18:54.439 --> 1:18:57.680 the woman got away, where like he went away and 1:18:57.680 --> 1:18:59.880 started a new life just to get away from his dad. Like, 1:19:00.000 --> 1:19:01.720 I have no idea, or he killed him. I don't 1:19:01.720 --> 1:19:03.679 know how old the kid was. Was hard to find information. 1:19:04.560 --> 1:19:08.519 One of Vermilia's former wards, David Forrester, sued the state 1:19:08.520 --> 1:19:11.439 of Tennessee for a million dollars, claiming that corrections off 1:19:11.479 --> 1:19:14.240 officials are the ones that placed him at the farm, 1:19:14.240 --> 1:19:18.800 which he essentially said was a male prostitution ring, and 1:19:18.880 --> 1:19:22.240 willfully neglected their duty to investigate the facility. His lawyer 1:19:22.280 --> 1:19:24.280 claimed that he and the other boys who refused to 1:19:24.280 --> 1:19:27.719 cooperate were beaten and subjected to quote unquote constant pressure 1:19:27.800 --> 1:19:31.679 to conform. In June of nineteen seventy seven, Vermiliers found 1:19:31.720 --> 1:19:34.200 guilty and sentenced to five to ten years of imprisonment 1:19:34.200 --> 1:19:37.080 for crimes against nature. So weird the way that they're 1:19:37.080 --> 1:19:39.680 calling these things. Ten to fifteen years for aiding in 1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:42.080 a betting crimes. I think it's a gay thing, not 1:19:42.120 --> 1:19:45.599 a pedophile. Yeah yeah, I think so. I don't know, 1:19:46.920 --> 1:19:50.439 but I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's like 1:19:50.560 --> 1:19:52.720 say what he did? Say it? You know, But it's 1:19:52.720 --> 1:19:56.200 the seventies, and so he got He totaled a sentence 1:19:56.240 --> 1:19:58.960 of twenty five to forty years in prison. I could 1:19:59.000 --> 1:20:02.880 not find how many years he served. I was checking 1:20:02.960 --> 1:20:05.960 in a Tennessee inmate thing. I couldn't find his name. 1:20:06.200 --> 1:20:08.479 So I don't know how many years he served, but 1:20:09.120 --> 1:20:10.840 I do know that in nineteen seventy eight. 1:20:10.720 --> 1:20:13.719 I no, I want to know, Like how comes Sometimes 1:20:13.720 --> 1:20:16.080 we can find an inmate. Sometimes we can't. Sometimes we 1:20:16.120 --> 1:20:18.040 can find how long they've been there. Sometimes we can't. 1:20:18.080 --> 1:20:18.720 Like what is that? 1:20:19.040 --> 1:20:21.000 I feel like it's state by state, don't you Like 1:20:21.080 --> 1:20:23.120 some states it's like it's not public knowledge. In some 1:20:23.160 --> 1:20:24.840 states it is like part of public record. 1:20:24.840 --> 1:20:25.240 I don't know. 1:20:25.560 --> 1:20:27.120 But it's also a sex crime, Like where is he 1:20:27.120 --> 1:20:28.680 on the registry? Like we should know if he's said 1:20:28.760 --> 1:20:30.400 or not. I don't see if. 1:20:30.320 --> 1:20:33.160 Crimes against nature a sex crime. That's what I don't know. 1:20:33.320 --> 1:20:35.679 Like maybe that's something that happened more in the eighties, 1:20:35.720 --> 1:20:38.559 like where they changed the legislat like they changed the 1:20:38.600 --> 1:20:41.240 actual wording of the law. And was there a registry 1:20:41.280 --> 1:20:44.439 in the seventies, you know, Like I don't know, it's crazy, 1:20:44.439 --> 1:20:47.040 But in nineteen seventy eight he does get defrocked, you know, 1:20:47.080 --> 1:20:48.880 from the priesthood of the Episcopalian church. 1:20:48.920 --> 1:20:51.400 In eighty four, Wow, I'm shocked they didn't make a 1:20:51.439 --> 1:20:52.360 sin glass. 1:20:52.000 --> 1:20:56.559 Window in his honor. I know, I don't know, in 1:20:58.880 --> 1:20:59.880 who loves the church? 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:00.800 Yeah. 1:21:01.840 --> 1:21:04.519 In eighty four, he sought. 1:21:04.320 --> 1:21:07.000 A retrial, saying that his conviction and sentences were void 1:21:07.080 --> 1:21:09.599 due to a denial of his constitutional rights to effective 1:21:09.680 --> 1:21:12.600 legal counsel. It was denied by the Supreme Court in 1:21:12.680 --> 1:21:15.400 December of nineteen eighty seven. But then it says he 1:21:15.479 --> 1:21:18.439 died in twenty eighteen in kill Devil Hills, which is 1:21:18.479 --> 1:21:20.559 like such an ironic name for a fucking pedophle to 1:21:20.600 --> 1:21:23.759 dial in a place called kill Devil kill Devil Hills, 1:21:23.760 --> 1:21:27.080 North Carolina at eighty nine. And I found his obituary, 1:21:27.120 --> 1:21:30.519 which of course mentions nothing about his crimes, and it 1:21:30.560 --> 1:21:32.320 doesn't seem like he died in prison. So I think 1:21:32.360 --> 1:21:34.120 he got out, but I don't know how many years 1:21:34.160 --> 1:21:36.360 he served. But if he had done forty five, if 1:21:36.360 --> 1:21:40.639 he had done forty years from June of nineteen seventy seven, 1:21:41.080 --> 1:21:43.200 he would have gotten out in like seventeen, and then 1:21:43.240 --> 1:21:44.400 he died in eighteen, So. 1:21:44.360 --> 1:21:44.680 I don't know. 1:21:44.880 --> 1:21:46.599 It looks like he maybe got out of jail, or 1:21:46.640 --> 1:21:47.880 but maybe he served less time. 1:21:47.920 --> 1:21:48.840 It was impossible to find. 1:21:48.880 --> 1:21:51.080 I'm sorry if anyone knows, if you live in that area, 1:21:51.320 --> 1:21:54.920 someone who murdered him, well, I was waiting for him 1:21:54.960 --> 1:21:57.320 to get out. There's like a photo and everything in 1:21:57.360 --> 1:22:04.080 his obituary. It's crazy. So this scandalosious to quote wicked, Okay, 1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:08.120 the last crime so this case is crazy. This is like, 1:22:08.400 --> 1:22:11.559 this is where the whole, This is where the hole 1:22:11.640 --> 1:22:12.040 is scared. 1:22:12.160 --> 1:22:12.799 I'm scared. 1:22:13.080 --> 1:22:17.080 The relationship between the woman and the guy who was 1:22:17.120 --> 1:22:18.679 the lead counsel on the case. 1:22:19.120 --> 1:22:20.800 This is where this comes from. Okay, okay. 1:22:21.000 --> 1:22:25.120 So in nineteen ninety, Charles Dean Hood was was sentenced 1:22:25.160 --> 1:22:27.200 to death in the nineteen eighty nine killings of Tracy 1:22:27.240 --> 1:22:30.240 Lynn Wallace, aged twenty six, and Ronald Williamson, forty six, 1:22:30.680 --> 1:22:32.960 in their home in Plano, Texas, which is a suburb 1:22:33.000 --> 1:22:37.040 of Dallas. Hood said for years he was innocent. Many 1:22:37.120 --> 1:22:40.200 years after his sentencing, his attorneys were trying to save 1:22:40.280 --> 1:22:43.600 him from being executed, and they raised allegations that the 1:22:43.760 --> 1:22:46.519 judge in his trial had been having an extra marital 1:22:46.520 --> 1:22:49.840 affair with the district attorney that was prosecuting the case. 1:22:50.760 --> 1:22:51.760 So because they. 1:22:51.640 --> 1:22:54.400 Were both married, they denied the fair the affair even 1:22:54.439 --> 1:22:57.400 to Hood's death penalty lawyers, but after it finally came 1:22:57.439 --> 1:22:59.200 to light, they said, the judge, finally, the judge is 1:22:59.240 --> 1:23:01.200 the woman, by the way, and the not that it 1:23:01.240 --> 1:23:03.280 has to be a heterosexual couple, but it is. The 1:23:03.360 --> 1:23:07.519 judge is a woman, and the DA or the ADA 1:23:07.600 --> 1:23:10.680 is a man, and after it finally came to light, 1:23:10.760 --> 1:23:14.519 the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals rejected Hood's challenge in 1:23:14.560 --> 1:23:18.600 two curt sentences. Basically, the Texas Criminal Appeal Court of 1:23:18.600 --> 1:23:21.080 Criminal Appeals goes, oh, sorry, your lawyers should have brought 1:23:21.120 --> 1:23:23.080 this up earlier, And they're like, yeah, how could we 1:23:23.120 --> 1:23:25.479 have brought it up earlier when the existence of the 1:23:25.560 --> 1:23:28.400 fair was not conclusively established until two thousand and eight, Like, 1:23:28.760 --> 1:23:29.840 we actually couldn't. 1:23:29.880 --> 1:23:30.720 We didn't know about it. 1:23:30.840 --> 1:23:34.040 So like that's when the judge and the prosecutor were 1:23:34.040 --> 1:23:37.080 forced to admit it under oath was eight. So the 1:23:37.160 --> 1:23:40.400 issue is is that could a criminal trial where the 1:23:40.400 --> 1:23:43.160 prosecutor and the judge are secretly in love ever be 1:23:43.200 --> 1:23:45.720 a fair trial? And it's an issue that the courts 1:23:45.760 --> 1:23:48.400 refuse to fully address whether it violated Hood's right to 1:23:48.400 --> 1:23:51.680 a fair trial or not, because Texas law requires that 1:23:51.720 --> 1:23:56.120 a judge recused themselves whenever their quote impartiality might reasonably 1:23:56.160 --> 1:23:59.960 be questioned end quote, or they have a quote personal 1:24:00.080 --> 1:24:03.000 bias or prejudice concerning the subject matter or a party 1:24:03.479 --> 1:24:09.120 end quote, like judge absolutely should have recused absolutely. Hood's 1:24:09.280 --> 1:24:12.120 judge later admitted that she should have recused herself. So 1:24:12.200 --> 1:24:15.400 what the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals did do since 1:24:15.400 --> 1:24:18.000 they wouldn't grant him you know that what they did 1:24:18.040 --> 1:24:20.519 do was grant him a new sentencing trial because they 1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:23.800 said that jurors were not given proper instructions on considering 1:24:23.880 --> 1:24:27.160 mitigating evidence that he did not deserve the death penalty. 1:24:27.880 --> 1:24:30.160 Nothing to do with the lawyer judge, soap opera. But 1:24:30.200 --> 1:24:32.080 that's also like kind of what happened in his case, 1:24:32.120 --> 1:24:34.400 Like no one told them about the molestation or the 1:24:34.840 --> 1:24:36.920 years of abuse or anything like that that would have 1:24:36.920 --> 1:24:40.120 been mitigating circumstances about the death penalty. So they do 1:24:40.160 --> 1:24:43.680 give him another sentencing trial, but in twenty thirteen, he 1:24:43.720 --> 1:24:46.679 decides to forego the new sentencing trial and instead changes 1:24:46.720 --> 1:24:49.560 his plea to guilty, and he gets life without possibility 1:24:49.600 --> 1:24:52.479 of parole or appeal. He also does not receive credit 1:24:52.479 --> 1:24:54.200 for the twenty three years that he had already spent 1:24:54.320 --> 1:24:57.400 on death row, which I don't know why that would 1:24:57.400 --> 1:24:59.200 make a difference anyway if he has life. 1:24:59.280 --> 1:25:01.040 But whatever, what do you mean credit? 1:25:01.520 --> 1:25:03.760 Like, you know, sometimes if they change your stuff, they'll 1:25:03.760 --> 1:25:05.960 give you credit for time served. Yeah, he gets no 1:25:06.000 --> 1:25:07.519 credit for time served, but I don't know why I'm 1:25:07.520 --> 1:25:10.960 even reading that in an article because he has life anyway, 1:25:11.160 --> 1:25:12.840 but I don't know no. 1:25:12.880 --> 1:25:13.400 Credit for that. 1:25:13.640 --> 1:25:16.479 So basically, I think this guy did do it, even 1:25:16.479 --> 1:25:18.000 though he said for years that he didn't do it. 1:25:18.040 --> 1:25:20.200 And so instead of like waiting for a new sentencing trial, 1:25:20.240 --> 1:25:21.840 he was like, I'll just change my plea and get life, 1:25:21.840 --> 1:25:23.599 because that's really all I wanted was to not get 1:25:23.640 --> 1:25:24.360 the death penalty. 1:25:25.080 --> 1:25:26.240 So ada. 1:25:26.800 --> 1:25:32.479 John Schomberger said, prosecutors quote felt vindicated in the sense 1:25:32.520 --> 1:25:35.000 that he acknowledged what we knew he did is murder those. 1:25:34.880 --> 1:25:36.200 People end quote. 1:25:36.479 --> 1:25:41.080 So the people being all kind of connected in terms 1:25:41.120 --> 1:25:42.760 of like, you know, we talk about this a whole 1:25:42.760 --> 1:25:44.080 the time with the judges and the priests. 1:25:44.080 --> 1:25:45.360 It's like we give this like. 1:25:47.240 --> 1:25:50.559 God like status right and power to these people, and 1:25:50.600 --> 1:25:52.240 it's like they are regular people. 1:25:52.520 --> 1:25:54.960 Yeah, you don't know, shitty regular people. 1:25:55.000 --> 1:25:58.559 Like when are we gonna stop giving so much power 1:25:58.760 --> 1:26:00.519 to just regular people? 1:26:01.000 --> 1:26:04.880 Yeah? No, one's better than us. Yeah, I wonder. 1:26:04.920 --> 1:26:07.880 And it's also like, if you're having a secret affair 1:26:07.920 --> 1:26:10.080 and you're the judge, you're like, well, I can't recuse 1:26:10.080 --> 1:26:13.840 myself because they're gonna ask me why you know, but 1:26:13.960 --> 1:26:16.320 you have to you should have recused yourself. I guess 1:26:16.360 --> 1:26:18.160 you have to figure out something else. Say you play 1:26:18.200 --> 1:26:22.839 squash with that lawyer. It's not fair, you know, say something, 1:26:23.439 --> 1:26:24.559 but it's the death penalty. 1:26:24.600 --> 1:26:27.360 But like, how are you a judge on the bench 1:26:27.400 --> 1:26:29.919 when that's your judgment. You should not have a job anymore. 1:26:30.160 --> 1:26:34.400 I know, you chose to have an affair over a 1:26:34.439 --> 1:26:36.639 man's life. You should not be on the bench. 1:26:38.320 --> 1:26:42.839 Yeah, crazy, but they really I thought this episode, I can't. 1:26:42.640 --> 1:26:44.800 Even be a fucking idiot. I just wish I was 1:26:44.880 --> 1:26:48.040 so dumb. I wish I was so dumb. I don't 1:26:48.080 --> 1:26:49.920 think I'm a genius or anything, but like, god do 1:26:50.000 --> 1:26:52.960 I wish it was dumb and a sociopath. I think 1:26:53.000 --> 1:26:56.560 my life would be a lot easier, so easy. Yeah, 1:26:56.920 --> 1:27:00.879 I want to live like a fucking like who cares 1:27:01.320 --> 1:27:01.760 only me? 1:27:02.160 --> 1:27:02.479 Yeah? 1:27:02.640 --> 1:27:05.559 Yeah, Oh they're gonna sence the man to death. Well, 1:27:05.600 --> 1:27:08.000 as long as my affair gets kept secret. Yeah what 1:27:08.120 --> 1:27:09.240 are you talking about? 1:27:09.320 --> 1:27:09.639 I know? 1:27:10.040 --> 1:27:12.680 And if you just managed like a costcode'd be like 1:27:12.720 --> 1:27:15.640 all right, but you're on the bench. You've been deciding 1:27:15.680 --> 1:27:18.719 people's faith. But these people all believe in the death penalty. 1:27:18.760 --> 1:27:21.120 They're like, this guy killed someone, so let's kill him. 1:27:21.160 --> 1:27:23.120 You know, like that's like, yes, their eye for an 1:27:23.120 --> 1:27:27.080 eye bullshit, you know whatever. But let's get into our 1:27:27.080 --> 1:27:28.759 post mortem because I have a lots to say about 1:27:28.760 --> 1:27:37.559 this episode. I mean this episode is tough because I 1:27:37.560 --> 1:27:40.720 mean what we've already discussed, it's like crazy to have 1:27:40.760 --> 1:27:44.720 an episode featuring someone who's been convicted of a sexual abuse. Uh, 1:27:45.600 --> 1:27:49.759 but I do, I do. It's a crazy episode and 1:27:49.800 --> 1:27:50.760 well it. 1:27:50.439 --> 1:27:54.840 Is, and they just always do a good job of 1:27:54.880 --> 1:27:58.360 like people are flawed, which leads to the system being 1:27:58.400 --> 1:28:02.479 flawed and we have to be bitch, yeah, because shady 1:28:02.560 --> 1:28:05.760 shit is going down. Yeah, and and like. 1:28:05.840 --> 1:28:09.559 Judges, these attorney I mean it's it's and the trauma, 1:28:09.720 --> 1:28:12.240 I mean thinking of that, that's what the never. 1:28:12.120 --> 1:28:13.719 Ending cycle of the trauma. 1:28:13.920 --> 1:28:18.559 Yeah, like not be like having this childhood trauma that 1:28:18.680 --> 1:28:22.640 like literally just of course you have so much like 1:28:22.920 --> 1:28:25.960 rage and it leads to more hurt people, hurt people. 1:28:26.120 --> 1:28:26.280 Right. 1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:28.639 Oh anyway, but Art. 1:28:28.560 --> 1:28:31.320 Andrey Brower, I mean it's like a great episode in 1:28:31.439 --> 1:28:35.000 terms of like guest cast and twists and turns and 1:28:35.080 --> 1:28:38.519 like courtroom scenes, ed Asner, I mean, it's like a 1:28:38.560 --> 1:28:40.640 great episode of television. 1:28:40.840 --> 1:28:43.360 Yeah, I know Valentine's Day has passed as of this 1:28:43.400 --> 1:28:45.680 episode coming out, but there have been there has been 1:28:45.720 --> 1:28:48.439 a lot of Luigi Valentine's Day content coming out. 1:28:48.439 --> 1:28:50.400 I don't know if you've seen it. Many people have 1:28:50.479 --> 1:28:56.120 been sending have been returned. Oh no, no, but someone 1:28:56.200 --> 1:28:56.960 sent me a Reddit. 1:28:57.600 --> 1:28:59.320 I did a lot of things wrong. I would say 1:28:59.360 --> 1:29:01.519 I did almost everything you can do wrong. Wait, wait, 1:29:01.560 --> 1:29:04.080 go on, I want to hear this. The envelopes have 1:29:04.160 --> 1:29:07.040 to be white. Mine were like fun, I had fun. Okay, 1:29:08.640 --> 1:29:13.160 that's to be just white lined paper. No cards, you 1:29:13.240 --> 1:29:17.840 need your full name with the address are are like yeah, 1:29:18.040 --> 1:29:20.479 no colored end, no stickers. I use stickers to like 1:29:20.600 --> 1:29:23.400 and he's like the back like being a yssive. 1:29:24.560 --> 1:29:27.320 So those are the main things that I broke. Uh, 1:29:27.360 --> 1:29:27.960 those rules. 1:29:27.960 --> 1:29:29.439 So do you think you'll write him with like your 1:29:29.439 --> 1:29:31.080 full name and your address and everything? 1:29:31.160 --> 1:29:32.679 Yeah, because I use the address. 1:29:32.720 --> 1:29:34.840 I don't know what I'm trying to hide, but like, 1:29:35.240 --> 1:29:38.160 I just obviously it's going to be strict, and then 1:29:38.160 --> 1:29:41.320 they photo copy, and then the inmates get photo copies 1:29:41.360 --> 1:29:42.000 of the letters. 1:29:42.400 --> 1:29:43.040 Got it. 1:29:43.520 --> 1:29:46.120 So it's just gonna take me long, you know, I 1:29:46.160 --> 1:29:48.200 have I'm gonna write again. 1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:49.560 He has some court dates. 1:29:49.280 --> 1:29:52.800 Coming up, but it'll be a lot later because all 1:29:52.880 --> 1:29:55.960 my shit was like red envelopes with glitter stickers, and 1:29:56.360 --> 1:29:57.519 that's so funny. 1:29:57.600 --> 1:29:59.800 They were like, sorry, babe, you can't send you Different 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:01.360 Island times take. 1:30:01.240 --> 1:30:08.240 Cards to this guy. Yeah, so you stick I do 1:30:08.360 --> 1:30:09.439 have a huge brag. 1:30:10.600 --> 1:30:14.160 I'm in the New York Magazine's Matrix, I mean the 1:30:14.240 --> 1:30:15.200 cultural Matrix. 1:30:15.520 --> 1:30:16.439 Yeah, I have it. 1:30:17.280 --> 1:30:20.800 I'm a low brow brilliant. Oh my god, low brow book. 1:30:20.920 --> 1:30:23.040 Talk about the next name of your fucking album, the 1:30:23.439 --> 1:30:25.120 name of your next low bout. 1:30:25.120 --> 1:30:27.519 Wait, Oh my god, you're in the intelligence sir. That 1:30:27.720 --> 1:30:29.719 is crazy. Yeah. 1:30:29.800 --> 1:30:33.400 So it's called the Like Approval Matrix, And basically it's 1:30:33.400 --> 1:30:35.840 the last page of New York Magazine, what I subscribe to. 1:30:36.000 --> 1:30:38.240 So I'm gonna post it. But I got to go into. 1:30:38.000 --> 1:30:40.479 My mailbox and like take out my favorite magazine and 1:30:40.520 --> 1:30:45.160 I'm in it. So it's split up into like grid, 1:30:45.240 --> 1:30:48.639 so it's highbrow and low brow are vertical, and then 1:30:48.720 --> 1:30:52.840 like the across is despicable to brilliant. So I'm in 1:30:52.880 --> 1:30:56.240 low brow Brilliant with Chapel Roone, Lady Gaga and Porky 1:30:56.320 --> 1:30:56.719 the pig. 1:30:57.120 --> 1:30:57.640 I see you. 1:30:58.200 --> 1:31:00.400 Oh my god, I see you. Okay, I'm gonna posted 1:31:00.439 --> 1:31:03.920 on the Instagram. Oh yeah, it's excited. It's exciting, and 1:31:03.960 --> 1:31:05.519 you got to do a grub street. I saw it 1:31:05.560 --> 1:31:07.040 and I liked it, but I haven't gotten to read 1:31:07.040 --> 1:31:08.360 it yet. 1:31:08.520 --> 1:31:12.919 In there with Porky and Daffy. Yeah, I'm under chapel. 1:31:13.160 --> 1:31:18.559 Yeah, abortion meds like cool shit, I'm gonna get it framed. 1:31:18.640 --> 1:31:24.200 Why I'm annoyed because the highbrow despicable is like Elon Trump, 1:31:24.600 --> 1:31:26.599 like every you know, I'm annoyed. 1:31:26.840 --> 1:31:29.400 But an rfk's in there. 1:31:30.360 --> 1:31:34.000 Why is James calling on New York hospitals to keep 1:31:34.160 --> 1:31:38.920 treating trans youth lowbrow and brilliant? Maybe it's lowbrow to 1:31:38.920 --> 1:31:41.880 take away women's rights, I guess yeah, but it seems 1:31:41.880 --> 1:31:43.759 like it's like we're talking about her doing something good. 1:31:45.200 --> 1:31:50.479 But well, also, why is Beyonce indespicable highbrow? For Beyonce 1:31:50.600 --> 1:31:54.000 is ready to tour her way to another half billion books. 1:31:53.680 --> 1:31:57.120 And it's like, but that's good. Yeah. I tried to 1:31:57.160 --> 1:31:58.240 get the tickets. 1:31:58.520 --> 1:32:01.880 No, no, I'm gonna try again Friday because I didn't 1:32:01.880 --> 1:32:04.240 have a pre sale code, So I'll try again Friday. 1:32:04.360 --> 1:32:07.479 But yeah, I don't know. We'll see, we'll see. Yeah, 1:32:07.520 --> 1:32:09.559 if I can get a ticket on Friday. Oh my god, 1:32:09.640 --> 1:32:10.560 how exciting. 1:32:10.720 --> 1:32:13.120 I read that every time I get a New York 1:32:13.160 --> 1:32:14.000 magazine in my hands. 1:32:14.000 --> 1:32:15.280 That's like my favorite part of it. 1:32:15.320 --> 1:32:18.519 I love that, I know if and it's it was 1:32:18.560 --> 1:32:21.040 like a surprise, you know, like I didn't know that 1:32:21.080 --> 1:32:24.960 this was going to happen. So I'm yeah, I was 1:32:25.000 --> 1:32:28.800 really excited, especially next the porky. Yeah, because I'm a 1:32:28.840 --> 1:32:32.439 Looney Tunes girl, you know what I mean. Yes, and 1:32:32.479 --> 1:32:34.080 they're saying it's refresh it. 1:32:34.240 --> 1:32:37.559 I love it. This is great. Wow, how exciting. Oh 1:32:37.640 --> 1:32:38.280 my god. 1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:43.040 Okay, okay, but yeah, crimes are bad, trauma is bad. 1:32:43.400 --> 1:32:46.000 Yeah, you know the usual postmortem takeaways. 1:32:46.560 --> 1:32:48.720 Oh here, I'm going to show you the Snoopy from 1:32:48.720 --> 1:32:51.240 the beginning episode now that I have my phone out, but. 1:32:52.840 --> 1:32:54.879 There's mine. Oh from the tables. 1:32:55.520 --> 1:32:57.880 Yeah, the eyes are a little fucked. I think he's 1:32:57.920 --> 1:32:59.599 just a little stone. I think he's having Yeah, he's 1:32:59.600 --> 1:32:59.960 having a town. 1:33:00.479 --> 1:33:03.479 Yeah. Yeah, Snoopy's partying. I love that. 1:33:03.720 --> 1:33:06.639 But of course we were with fucking mateo. His buttons 1:33:06.680 --> 1:33:09.880 look like fucking three D. Yeah, of course he does 1:33:09.960 --> 1:33:15.800 like a full home mados. Oh my god, so fun. 1:33:15.880 --> 1:33:19.639 But then some people like added ear rings and lashes 1:33:19.720 --> 1:33:20.240 and stuff. 1:33:21.000 --> 1:33:25.719 Yes, oh my god, I love it was fun. Snoopy, 1:33:27.800 --> 1:33:28.800 Light to the game. 1:33:29.040 --> 1:33:31.680 But if you've not done a painting party, you know 1:33:31.720 --> 1:33:32.479 that's so funny. 1:33:32.520 --> 1:33:34.680 Because I've been lately feeling like I wanted to like 1:33:34.720 --> 1:33:37.400 do some kind of like artistic craft or something in 1:33:37.400 --> 1:33:39.840 my free time, of which I don't have a ton, 1:33:39.920 --> 1:33:41.760 but I was like, I want to like get into 1:33:41.760 --> 1:33:42.439 some kind of craft. 1:33:42.479 --> 1:33:43.080 What could I do? 1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:45.120 I've almost thought I was like, should I buy a 1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:47.320 piece of furniture and try to like rehab a piece 1:33:47.320 --> 1:33:50.120 of furniture? Maybe I should just start simple with a 1:33:50.120 --> 1:33:52.080 sip and sea, a sip and paint or what. 1:33:52.320 --> 1:33:56.760 Yeah, it was fun. I like, I really enjoyed it. 1:33:56.840 --> 1:33:59.479 I I can't I feel like I was judgmental, like 1:33:59.520 --> 1:34:01.360 I thought it was lame or something, But I really 1:34:01.360 --> 1:34:01.800 loved it. 1:34:01.960 --> 1:34:04.240 No, that's wonderful. I mean, like in Snoopy, come on, 1:34:04.320 --> 1:34:08.519 you can't go wrong. All right, let's move into our 1:34:08.680 --> 1:34:11.479 what would Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment 1:34:11.520 --> 1:34:15.040 where we direct you all to a you know, to 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:17.920 an article, a book, an organization, something that'll give you 1:34:18.000 --> 1:34:19.920 more info about what we talked about today and this 1:34:19.960 --> 1:34:22.840 week for WWSPD, we wanted to point you to the 1:34:22.960 --> 1:34:27.759 No More Global Directory. 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