WEBVTT - Tyler the Creator 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:13.960 Pushkin. This song Yonkers is the track that put Tyler 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.160 the Creator on the Map in two and eleven. It's 0:00:17.200 --> 0:00:20.040 the second single from Goblin, his first solo album. The 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:22.840 song is stark, a sparse beat with a strange staccato 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:26.079 sound similar to the shrieking Strings and Psycho. The song's 0:00:26.160 --> 0:00:30.720 lyrics are outrageous. The black and white video was equally controversial. 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:32.720 It opens with Tyler sitting on a stool in front 0:00:32.720 --> 0:00:35.440 of a blank background, a cockroach passing between his hands. 0:00:35.840 --> 0:00:37.519 It ends with him standing on the same stool. He 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:41.360 opens a video with hanging himself. A week after releasing 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:43.839 the video, Tyler and his Odd Future crew were performing 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.919 on Jimmy Fallon with the Roots wearing ski masks. It's 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.960 still exciting to watch today, especially if you're into youthful 0:00:50.960 --> 0:00:53.720 displays of rebellion like I am. It's hard to believe 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:57.520 something like this was actually on network television. Eight years, 0:00:57.560 --> 0:01:00.920 four albums, two TV shows, and one successful clothing line later, 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.040 Tyler's spirit is still rebellious, only it's showing in new 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:09.360 and highly creative ways. His new album Igor isn't controversial, 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.319 but it's an anomaly and rap. Like most of his output, 0:01:12.440 --> 0:01:15.280 It's entirely self produced, but unlike the other records, there's 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.959 hardly any rapping. Instead, Tyler sings a lot, and he 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.800 opens this record with a mostly instrumental track that starts 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:25.000 with a thirty second synth note. Igor dresses in bright 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.560 and beautifully tailored suits and like Anna win tour as 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.440 a blonde bowl cut and dark sunglasses. I really wasn't 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:32.680 prepared for the sound of this record, even after the 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:34.920 last one, flower Boy, which was also pretty ambitious when 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:37.240 it first came out. But this might just be the 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:44.160 strangest and most beautiful Tyler the Creator record yet. This 0:01:44.240 --> 0:01:47.600 is Broken Record Season three Liner notes for the Digital Age. 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:54.760 I'm justin Richmond. Rick Rubin spent three days in Italy 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:57.080 this summer with Tyler. At the end of the trip, 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:59.040 they sat down a Rick's living room and listened to 0:01:59.120 --> 0:02:02.200 a few songs off the new album, analyzing each one. 0:02:02.920 --> 0:02:05.880 They started with Eager Steam instrumental opener you heard earlier, 0:02:05.920 --> 0:02:09.240 But first they talked about the heat temperatures across Europe. 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:14.600 We're an all time high. I finally got a human 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:20.080 level of sleep. I was dying. The night before was 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:23.359 a hot night. It was I was dripping wet at 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:29.520 three am, staring at a mosquito, kept whispering I'm gonna 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.880 get you. I know him. We're cool now, this is crazy. 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.280 You like it. We're in the woods. For those that 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:43.680 don't know, we're in the middle of nowhere. It is 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:48.560 no uber, it is no taxi. I have not seen 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:53.200 another person aside from the people in this house. No TV. 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:57.520 Three days, no TV. I think it's one downstairs. Don't 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:02.800 think it's ever been turned on. It's no AC. But 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:09.760 I kind of like that in this weird fetish way 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.160 that said I really like being here. I don't know, 0:03:14.520 --> 0:03:18.600 it's for me. It's like a very good energy. Yeah, 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.640 it's not much to worry about. No, like it's crazy. 0:03:22.720 --> 0:03:26.000 The first night I was like, oh, oh, what the 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:30.280 fuck did I get into? Rick is crazy? What the 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:35.200 And then I got some cookies and that fan and 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:40.480 everything was okay. Talking about music, when you were at 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.600 Shango La at the end of the project, you were 0:03:43.680 --> 0:03:46.600 kind of putting it together the final stages. I remember 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.600 you telling me that the first song was gonna be 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:53.080 an instrumental, and you had always had it as an instrumental, 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.600 and then you kind of came up with a hook 0:03:55.840 --> 0:04:02.360 last minute fell this one? And how did the hook 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:06.120 come about? I was with Uzy little USI very was 0:04:06.160 --> 0:04:09.560 just at the studio hanging. I'm working on this and 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:14.280 I couldn't come up with words, but I had this melody. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.480 So I'm in there playing on the piano the melody 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:22.960 and then he takes that melody. It just adds words 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.240 and sings it right, and I'm like, just add it 0:04:25.279 --> 0:04:27.600 real quick, just lay that rough down for me, because 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:30.719 your voice sounds good doing it. And that's the song. 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:34.760 It's nothing deep, so cool. I think that's literally what 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:36.680 it was. And I was like, that's all I need. 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:40.880 Thank you. I didn't even know that was gonna make it. 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:45.200 It just worked out so perfectly, you know what I mean? Absolutely? 0:04:45.200 --> 0:04:52.000 How important of the words? I like beat first, then melody, 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.480 and then lyrics. It's Amy Winehouse songs, No Lie. She 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:59.120 has a song called wake Up Alone, and man, I 0:04:59.160 --> 0:05:02.240 love that song for years. My cousin bought that album 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.960 when it came out, and it wasn't up until maybe 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.400 two years ago, twenty seventeen, where I realized what the 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.919 lyrics were saying. Because I love the beat, love the chords, 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:18.040 and I just love the melody and what she was doing, 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:21.040 but I never paid attention to the lyrics. Yeah, I 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:24.159 think everyone listens to different things. First, I noticed earlier 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:27.960 downstairs when we were playing the disco stuff a song 0:05:28.080 --> 0:05:31.120 came in and he was like ooh, and it was 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:35.240 just drums. It wasn't no chords, not a baseline, nothing, 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:38.080 And I was like, oh, he listens to Grew first. 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.480 He listens to drums and grew first. And I just 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.000 something I picked up on and thought that was interesting. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:48.719 And me, I love good chords. Just it's songs I 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:53.520 have that are horrible lyrically, like really bad, but I 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:55.880 just like the notes in the background. So I listened 0:05:55.880 --> 0:06:00.479 to him and I love it. And and this beat 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:02.800 is hard, these drums and this based on its great 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:05.920 they messed together. And then I listened to the flow 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:10.760 or the melody and the runs. Second, that's what really 0:06:10.800 --> 0:06:14.640 makes me mel Then I care about it's all based 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:19.520 on the sound. That everything before you get to any 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:24.200 sound is way before it's for me personally, that energy, 0:06:24.320 --> 0:06:28.120 that feeling, that sound, that's that's who you say. The 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.560 sound of the lyrics mean more to you than what 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:36.400 it's actually saying. Yeah, like jay Z for example, he 0:06:36.480 --> 0:06:38.920 knows how to rap on a beat. He knows how 0:06:38.920 --> 0:06:41.840 to hear a beat and say I shouldn't yell on this, 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:44.880 or I shouldn't wrap like this on it. The way 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:48.080 that this feels. This is how my vocal instrument could 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:53.760 mesh on this perfectly. Where it's some people who hear 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.200 a smooth beating like I'm gonna fucking yell on it. 0:06:56.200 --> 0:06:58.440 I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna because they're just more 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:02.200 thinking of saying and cool shit rather than making a 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:09.280 good song. And that's how that's kind of me. I 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:12.960 kind of focus on making a good song with cool 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:18.840 structure rather than like, oh that verse was so even 0:07:18.840 --> 0:07:20.600 though I don't get me wrong, I don't want to 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.600 seem like i'nna be a dismissive like care about lyrics 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.679 and word blah blah blah. But it's just number three. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:30.120 It's just number three. Is there any music or artists 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.080 you could think of that you've heard or listened to 0:07:33.680 --> 0:07:39.520 because of the lyrics? Yeah, you got people like Eminem, 0:07:39.560 --> 0:07:43.960 like Cassidy the rapper that stuff that I'm like, I 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.680 wonder what pockets they're gonna wrap this in and what 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.160 they're gonna say, and the punchlines and things like that, 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:55.280 because Eminem was he picked some of the worst beats ever, 0:07:57.160 --> 0:08:02.240 even Ludicrous sometimes picked shitty beats, but their energy and 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.960 their cool, witty lines is what made the songs cool. 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:11.320 So they're an exception, you know, so where jay Z 0:08:11.440 --> 0:08:14.680 picked great beats. So that's what drew me in. And 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.880 then like, oh his voice sounds tied over this. Oh 0:08:17.920 --> 0:08:22.640 that's what he's saying, you know. So okay, next one 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:28.760 I'll play and then we talk about it after. Incredible. 0:08:29.840 --> 0:08:34.000 That shit is so good, it's incredible. My favorite part 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:38.040 is happens once. It's when the harmony vocals do the 0:08:38.080 --> 0:08:44.840 different It's so beautiful, and the restraint in that being 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.240 the best part and deciding I'm only gonna have it 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:49.560 that one time. Well, this album is full of that 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:54.440 because I just made each song has those moments. Oh 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:56.120 that's my favorite part, and I'm like, yeah, it only 0:08:56.120 --> 0:08:59.360 comes once, but right after that is and someone else's 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:05.680 a moment face. Even even on the intro, the I 0:09:05.800 --> 0:09:10.280 only have the choir come in once behind him, and like, 0:09:10.360 --> 0:09:12.320 it's a lot of stuff and I like shit like that. 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:15.920 It's little details that gets me off and a lot 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.120 of people don't listen to that stuff. A lot of people. Man, 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.080 if you don't got the if you don't got the 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.360 eight await the catchy hook, they're off it. But it's 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:27.640 so much magic throughout the whole. I think even if 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:33.839 people don't hear it subconsciously, it's something like something happens 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.400 and I tell I tell fans like, hey, if you 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:39.720 like it, and you see me in person and you know, 0:09:39.760 --> 0:09:42.360 I got a minute to say hi or whatever. I 0:09:42.400 --> 0:09:46.440 want you to articulate what you like about it. Don't 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.240 just say I like it, No, hone in on what 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.440 you like about it, because if you figure out specifically 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:55.840 what you like about something, that'll help you understand other 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:58.720 shit that you like and then weed out the shit 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:02.640 you don't help you find other shit like that. Absolutely, 0:10:03.679 --> 0:10:06.200 you remember how that one came about, Like how did 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:08.000 it work out? That diverse drops kind of in the 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:12.000 middle of the song and breaks down like that. I 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:15.400 remember right before I finish, and I was like, I 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:22.679 need something to happen chord wise, I'm gonna keep saying 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:27.200 I'd say chords so much it's annoying, But that's the 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:32.840 shit that makes me lit. Oxygen water and chord progressions. 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:37.120 It's fucking annoying. But I was like, I need something 0:10:37.160 --> 0:10:40.640 to take me there because the song didn't have a bridge, 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:44.120 so I was like, I need to put something in 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:48.439 the middle somewhere that just goes there. And I was like, fuck, 0:10:48.480 --> 0:10:51.880 the structure is already perfect. Maybe I could take one 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:55.000 of those leaves and just fuck it up real quick. 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:59.520 And that's literally what I did, and I yeah, that's 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.400 how it happened. It's the song on the piano is easy. 0:11:02.440 --> 0:11:04.760 But I was just like, I'm gonna have four chords 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.880 that just feels like a waterfall and then ramp it 0:11:08.000 --> 0:11:12.199 back to the original progression. So those chords are only 0:11:13.040 --> 0:11:17.520 moving around in the middle of one of the notes, 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:21.000 if that makes sense. Yeah, you're gonna show me on 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:35.480 the piano, so why are you there? I feel right there. 0:11:44.880 --> 0:12:02.480 That's regular. And then I went and it only happens once. Wow, 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.480 And that's why it feels so whoa. It's so dramatic 0:12:06.920 --> 0:12:10.559 because most of the it's mostly like this, it's mostly 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:15.120 just like regular line. So it's mostly just regular line. 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:17.760 So me bringing that out of nowhere, it just makes 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:21.640 you say, oh, I came. And then everything after that's 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.880 just icing on the cage. Yeah, we'll be back with 0:12:24.920 --> 0:12:31.839 more Tyler the Creator after the break. We're back with 0:12:31.880 --> 0:12:36.160 more Tyler the Creator. Lyrics came last. Yeah, I made 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:40.000 the skeleton of the beat, and while I let it play, 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:41.520 I paced in my room and kind of came up 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.520 with that. And I was like, damn, that's all I'm 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:46.600 gonna say is you make my earthquation. Don't leave, it's 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:48.680 my fault. That was it. And then in the middle 0:12:48.720 --> 0:12:51.439 it was a piano solo. But then I added Cardi 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.320 on it because I just love his voice. And yeah, 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.440 it was the lyric related something that was just going 0:12:57.440 --> 0:13:01.480 on in that moment. Or it was earthquake. Oh really 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.160 corny enough. It was an earthquake, and I was like, damn, 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.360 I like earthquake, earthquake. And I was like, oh, I 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:09.920 say that with an F and a queue instead of 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.840 the thh and the queue instead of earthquake, I say earthquake. 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:17.160 So I was like, huh, And then I just started 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:23.280 singing that and you make my earthquake, don't leave, it's 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:27.000 my fault because of the fault line that earthquakes are on. Ah. 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.440 So yeah, and like you shake me up, you be 0:13:31.320 --> 0:13:36.400 making me nervous because when everything is fucked up, I'm 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:39.240 gonna need you when everything comes crumbling or whatever whatever. 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:47.080 So cool, just simple, but yeah, so cool. It started 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:51.400 with the chords. You wrote the chords first, and then 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:55.320 the beat came after. Yeah, yeah, I just had those. 0:13:55.840 --> 0:13:59.640 It's super simple, super simple. It's a it's just it's 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:03.960 just so that I interpolated where the guys like, I 0:14:04.040 --> 0:14:05.800 think I'm falling in love this time of thing. It's 0:14:05.840 --> 0:14:07.319 for real. And I was like, man, these chords are 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:11.280 He made these really bullshit pop chords that I will 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.280 usually hate. Yeah, sound cool. So I always had that 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:16.559 in the back on my head. And then I found 0:14:16.559 --> 0:14:19.840 this drum loop. I was like, this is tight. It 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:22.160 was only a second, so I kind of fucked with 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.800 that to make it a full thing. And then I 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:30.000 was like, oooh that one melody that guy did. Those 0:14:30.080 --> 0:14:33.000 chords were sick. So I figured those chords and added them, 0:14:33.040 --> 0:14:34.560 and I was like, man, I also like his melody. 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.040 Fuck it. I'll just add it there just as a placement. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:40.480 And then the full song came and just was like, 0:14:40.520 --> 0:14:43.040 I'll just keep amazing. So did the did you have 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:47.640 the vocal? The first vocal phrasing hook before you ever 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:52.360 had the beat. It came with the piano pianos I had, 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:55.600 so I had the song that I interpolated with the 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:59.200 chords in that hook phrasing. It was just a song 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:01.560 guy just already had and I liked it and I 0:15:01.600 --> 0:15:03.640 was like, this is cool. Then when I looped these 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.440 drums and I was working on a beat and I 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:06.760 was adding chords, I was like, oh, you know it 0:15:06.800 --> 0:15:09.480 will be tight the stuff from that one song. So 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:12.520 then that's when I see that. So I see and 0:15:12.520 --> 0:15:15.200 they just want hand in hand and so cool. When 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.040 that happens, it's cool. I just wanted to dance. My 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:19.760 favorite part is to break down in the middle. That 0:15:19.840 --> 0:15:25.000 bridge is so sane, so good. That bridge is insane, 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:30.800 so beautiful, so beautiful, and that's like number seven. That's 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:33.720 bridge seven. Bro. I have six other versions because I 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:35.920 was like, I need to perfect this bridge. It's two 0:15:35.920 --> 0:15:38.480 other bridges with salons on it and he singing back 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:40.800 and forth and stuff. But I was like it's not perfect, 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.600 And I was like, what do I want to do again? 0:15:44.840 --> 0:15:48.480 What world is this? Where is this living? Yes? I 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.320 want to be in studio fifty four dancing of this, Yes, 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:55.120 and I just want to hear these chords. Oh, I 0:15:55.160 --> 0:15:57.640 just want to hear these chords. I don't want to 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:02.040 hear vocal, so I stripped it. That's why you have that, 0:16:02.720 --> 0:16:06.479 and it lets you breathe. Yeah, it really. It's spectacular 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:13.160 when it comes in. Feel so good. The next one's 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:20.200 like my favorite, like my fucking favorite. I love that 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:28.280 so good. My favorite part is the again, the breakdown 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:32.440 with the little hook and the loud snaps and then 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.720 the beat, the new beat dropping after it. It's just 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:41.360 like living and pretending. I breathe a lot on this album, Yeah, 0:16:41.480 --> 0:16:44.440 because of my like recording it, Like my asthma flares 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:48.360 up randomly, so a lot of the things like I 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.440 would actually breathe on, and then at some point I 0:16:51.480 --> 0:16:54.560 was like fuck it, I'm gonna just breathe on a lot. 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:59.040 So igor steam. I think this one, I breathe on 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:02.120 New Magic wand the end of What's Good like I 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:06.639 just made it a thing. But that song, it's like 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:12.040 the epitome of like uh I was in the mask 0:17:12.080 --> 0:17:15.680 off section is incredible with the rat but it still 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:21.320 has the harmonies under it. That's my favorite. It's so 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:25.400 and I'm oh gosh, it's so and it also feels 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:29.600 like a vulnerable lyric in the context of this a 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:32.280 song that doesn't feel like that at all. Yeah, it's 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:35.600 just really like gets like real, like it feels like 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:40.160 because a song feels like running out, it's like it's 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:42.200 it's just some pop song, like it doesn't have me 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.639 until that part. It's like, oh no, this song is 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:50.800 about something like it's it's like you're spine and it 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:55.879 gets emotional. Yeah, and it's un completely unexpected and I 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:59.800 put the I reput the vocals from the first part 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:04.560 under that just so oh those vocals have meaning to 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:09.960 them too. It's yeah, all related. How do you decide 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.040 to do the fake out ending like the stop and 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.639 then the little breakdown extra piece? Uh, it just needed 0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:18.919 I just wanted some movement. I just wanted some movement, 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.600 and I wanted to just have the roads just by 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.760 itself so good, and I was like, I'll just bring 0:18:26.760 --> 0:18:29.560 the snaps here and then because I wanted it to 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.199 die before those drums came in, and then drums so 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:36.720 fucking hard, really interesting arrangement, like just the order of 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:40.000 events that happened in the song or bro it's magic. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:43.440 Every five that it's something new, even the car sound 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:46.600 that just goes through it here and there. It's like, 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.800 I don't know, just a little little kinks that I like. 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.640 We'll be back with more of Rix Conversation with Tyler 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:59.200 the Creator after the break. We're back with more of 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.880 Rix Conversation with Tyler the Creator in the current live 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:07.040 show do you play? Do you mixing old songs with 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.040 the new songs? Start with the majority of this album 0:19:10.320 --> 0:19:13.159 and that outfit wig and the suit and stuff, and 0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:17.720 then I switched in there like regular clothes for older stuff, 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:21.120 which is like flower Boy, Cherry, Bob Wolf stuff, and 0:19:21.160 --> 0:19:25.000 then I do like two or other songs from this 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:29.480 album at the end. It's a weird. It's figure outable, 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:31.679 but I don't. I haven't figured out yet how to 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.840 perfect how to do both, because I don't want to 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.160 wear a wig and a suit when I'm doing Ship 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:41.560 from three albums ago, you know, unless you also don't 0:19:41.560 --> 0:19:45.359 want to do only the new album yea, unless you 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:48.080 change the way you do the old material to suit 0:19:48.200 --> 0:19:51.239 the new style. Yeah, And I've thought of that, and 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:56.160 I'm like, but this world that I've built with this 0:19:56.320 --> 0:20:01.960 character that don't want to say the music doesn't match 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:06.679 the shoes I'm wearing. Yeah. Yeah, so I was like, all, whatever, 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:11.320 I'll just change it. But how would the character cover 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:13.920 those songs if he was an artist and he wanted 0:20:13.960 --> 0:20:16.280 to do it, would take it would take away from 0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:19.040 those songs. That's the thing I don't want to hate 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.879 going to shows where it's like, oh, they're kind of 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.240 performing the song I love, but they want to be 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.800 too creative, so oh, they're singing it a cappella with 0:20:28.840 --> 0:20:34.560 a cowbell and one guitar note. It's really fun listening 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:38.760 to this. I love this album. It's good. It's fucking good. 0:20:39.760 --> 0:20:42.720 It's also the first album where I'm like really like 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.560 when people were like, hey, the album's great, I know 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:51.560 and thank you, and it's not an ego thing. It's like, 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:54.879 I'm so proud of it. Yes, I put in so 0:20:55.000 --> 0:20:57.560 much effort and I love it and I know that 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.360 it's good. You didn't have the same relation and trip 0:21:00.400 --> 0:21:04.480 to flower Boy. No. I think flower Boy is good 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.720 and it's my best work thus far, just because it's 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:12.520 an easy listen but it's so it's not born. It's 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:17.679 just kind of tame to me and too good. Yeah, 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:21.600 it's like of course you're gonna like it. It's nothing abrasive, 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.280 it's nothing too weird about it. It's good songs and stuff. 0:21:25.320 --> 0:21:28.280 But I still feel like some of that stuff is 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:31.960 a little niche, a little bit just did you feel 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.320 it at the time or not at the time, a 0:21:34.320 --> 0:21:37.719 little bit, Like I was happy people loved it and stuff, 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:42.800 but it was missing a lot of little things, Like 0:21:42.880 --> 0:21:47.159 it was mixed too clean and not in a bad way. 0:21:47.440 --> 0:21:50.359 It's supposed that I'm supposed to sound crisp and clean, 0:21:50.480 --> 0:21:55.240 but like it was missing my little tinks that I'm 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.200 like itching to do. And I had to pull back 0:21:58.240 --> 0:22:02.440 and restrain myself because this is what the album was 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.440 supposed to be. I love cinnamon, but you can't put 0:22:05.480 --> 0:22:09.640 it on your spaghetti. Yes, you know. So I made that, 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:12.600 And because of that, I think that's why I made IGOR, 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:18.040 because I was itching for I need this, I need 0:22:18.040 --> 0:22:22.639 distortion and an annoying bass and pitching fucking this is 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.359 gonna come out of nowhere and all fucking change. Put 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:28.399 eighteen Bridges on one song like I needed that, but 0:22:28.640 --> 0:22:34.080 still has some of the musical growth that we first 0:22:34.119 --> 0:22:37.119 saw on flower Boy. Yeah. Yeah, it's because you don't 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:42.000 you don't go to you don't leave LA and go 0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:45.600 to New York and go back to LA with no knowledge. No, 0:22:45.600 --> 0:22:48.000 now you know how to wear a jacket because it 0:22:48.040 --> 0:22:50.919 was cold as fuck out there, And now you apply 0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:54.880 that whenever you gotta go jacket shopping, because you went 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:57.359 to New York and know how to wear a fucking jacket. Now. Yes, 0:22:58.119 --> 0:23:02.719 So just because you know, just because I you know, 0:23:03.119 --> 0:23:06.719 flowerboys super clean, doesn't mean that I can't get dirty 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:09.679 and crash a car into a fucking building. It's just 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.000 that now I kind of know which car I could 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:15.160 crash into a building, so I don't die. Yeah. Great, 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:21.760 it's so funny here in the juxtaposition of the beautiful, 0:23:22.680 --> 0:23:28.080 melodious piano lines and the lyrics and the please don't 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:31.320 shoot me down in the gunshots. Yeah, such a good 0:23:31.520 --> 0:23:37.199 buoye base combination. I love again. I love the hard 0:23:38.040 --> 0:23:42.080 shit pause, and I love the pretty shit. Now we're 0:23:42.119 --> 0:23:44.280 just trying to mix it together, just make it so 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.240 much more interesting. Yeah, because you don't know what side 0:23:47.240 --> 0:23:50.880 you're on. Yeah, So the meshes like uh that one 0:23:50.920 --> 0:23:58.160 also is the most traditional rap structure where it's got 0:23:58.200 --> 0:23:59.680 a lot of verseus. You know, it's got a lot 0:23:59.720 --> 0:24:03.560 of verse words. Yes, this is the it's in the 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:06.760 middle too, So it's like the that's the rapper one, 0:24:06.840 --> 0:24:11.400 that's the that's the listen to what I'm saying one. 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:15.800 I'm I'm saying words on there and it's all specific 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:18.240 and it's so that's why I so laid back, because 0:24:18.240 --> 0:24:22.680 it's like I'm more just talking, like observing that that one, 0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:27.240 I'm just looking like it sounds really also personal and 0:24:27.400 --> 0:24:31.240 intimate and real. Yeah, no, it doesn't sound like a performance. 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:36.560 No the uh oh you're faking your man oh, take 0:24:36.640 --> 0:24:39.120 your hoodie off? Like it's every time I hear this song, 0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:43.440 I think of the specific moments of why I'm saying that. 0:24:43.640 --> 0:24:46.800 So it's and that's why it's not a performance. It's 0:24:46.840 --> 0:24:51.760 just just talking and I think it's it's good. That's 0:24:51.760 --> 0:24:53.679 a good song. How did that one come about? What 0:24:53.720 --> 0:24:55.919 do you do you remember about the process? That was first? 0:24:56.040 --> 0:24:59.119 So that's it was a song. I was listening to 0:25:00.800 --> 0:25:03.800 the song that I've kind of dealt with before, and 0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:06.320 I was like, man, I would do this differently. I 0:25:06.320 --> 0:25:08.359 would loop this part because this is a sweet spot. 0:25:08.800 --> 0:25:13.520 So I just looped it and came just made my 0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:17.000 own new song structure out of this other song that 0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:20.760 I sampled from and kind of built around it. Were 0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.120 you sampling a song of your own or it's this 0:25:23.160 --> 0:25:29.720 other song called Bound that I sampled it from that 0:25:29.840 --> 0:25:35.000 I like, I just had added the rough you some 0:25:35.040 --> 0:25:38.320 other fucking dangerous but that was part of a verse 0:25:38.359 --> 0:25:40.720 and then I kind of just kept repeating that and 0:25:40.800 --> 0:25:45.000 made it into the hook. Yeah, when did you decide 0:25:45.000 --> 0:25:46.600 that this was going to be the one that was 0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.639