1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Sandy and Samantha and all your stuff 2 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:19,759 Speaker 1: Never told You production by Heart Radio, and welcome to 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: another edition of our special mini series on the season 4 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: two of the Last of Us. Huh, I could have 5 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 1: said that much better. But basically, season two of The 6 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: Last of Us, the first season, we did a little 7 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: mini series where we recap every episode and then talk 8 00:00:37,800 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 1: about the themes, and we're doing it again for season two 9 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 1: and it's been a delight so far, even if the 10 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: subject matter is not so delightful. Sometimes that is something 11 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 1: that I love. Apparently there are spoilers for the most 12 00:00:55,400 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: recent episode two have come out as this episode comes 13 00:00:59,760 --> 00:01:06,840 Speaker 1: out a week before, and also that previous episodes season one, 14 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: the first game and parts of the second game, so 15 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:15,399 Speaker 1: not necessarily plot points that are going to relate to 16 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: the second season. It's very complicated, but we we were 17 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: very careful and honestly, they've changed a lot of things up, 18 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: so I've got some questions myself. I don't know. 19 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: I would turn around with some questions doing it. I'm like, 20 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 2: did this happen in the game? Like no, I'm like, 21 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: who are these people? 22 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: So we are being careful, but we also don't quite 23 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: know ourselves, even though I have played the game a lot, 24 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 1: as Samantha has watched me play it and heard me 25 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: talk about it a lot. But yes, so basically we 26 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: go over the plot of the episode and then I 27 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: mostly talk about my thoughts about it. I have been 28 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: forgetting to mention we are pausing our sex and the 29 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 1: city segments and our fiction just for the duration of 30 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: this because those are harder things for Christina in to do. 31 00:02:17,480 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: But well, once this is over, it's only seven episodes, 32 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: and then we will pick back up with those things, 33 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 1: so we haven't forgotten those things. But if those are 34 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: things you're really into, do not worry. Also, hopefully you 35 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 1: enjoy these things even if you haven't played the game 36 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: or watched the show. Also, if you're still mad after 37 00:02:36,760 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: what happened in the last episode, because I know some 38 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: of you are heard from some of you, Samantha, can 39 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: you give us a recap? Yes, I will. 40 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: And by the way, a lot of writers are very 41 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: upset too. When I was looking up, like I need 42 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:54,959 Speaker 2: to go back and recap just to make sure I 43 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: don't miss things, and the people all were like, well 44 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 2: without Pedro Pascal, like well, damn, they really didn't see 45 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 2: it coming. Okay, here it is, but yes, here we go. 46 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 2: So we are back and we are Pedro Pascal less. 47 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 2: Sorry yeah, sorry, And we get to witness Ellie who 48 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 2: has been admitted to the hospital with many others and 49 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: she wakes up during at the beginning against a hospitalization 50 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: in her trauma, still witnessing in her mind Joel's death 51 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 2: and wakes up screaming, and then it has to be 52 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 2: back under. Then we also see Tommy working with Maria 53 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: to get the town back to where it was. We 54 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: see people like reconstructing the town. We have a really 55 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 2: great shot of Jesse being so manly with his you know, 56 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 2: giant hammer. 57 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 1: We love it. 58 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: Anyway, moving on, and we also see a touching moment 59 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: between Tommy and him saying goodbye to Joel, uh cleaning 60 00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 2: him off and saying say hey to Sarah for me, 61 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 2: the daughter that died in season one. That's not a spoiler. 62 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 2: So with all of that heartbreaking scene, Ellie does finally 63 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 2: wake and during this time she has to go through 64 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:16,839 Speaker 2: all the things in three months and everybody's like, okay, 65 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: she good to go. She has to talk to Gail. 66 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 2: Great interaction between her and Gail and which She tries 67 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: to give the perfect answers to be released, even to 68 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 2: the fact that Gail was trying to figure out what 69 00:04:28,320 --> 00:04:31,039 Speaker 2: she was met at Joel for and Joel she was 70 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 2: trying to figure it out what Joel insinuated when he 71 00:04:33,200 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 2: said I saved her, and Ellie plays, you know, ignorant 72 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: to this. She's like, I don't know, what do you 73 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: say to you? Trying to also get information, but that's 74 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: all we get. And she gets the clear and she 75 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: goes home. She goes to see all these tributes on 76 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: the fence of the home of Joel's, and we get 77 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 2: the heartbreaking scene of her going through all his stuff, 78 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: crying at the scent of his shirts, and at the 79 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 2: same time we hear come in or not to come in. 80 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 2: She brings her some cookies and she's like, oh for me. 81 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 2: They have it back and forth for a second. She's 82 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: like just for nothing, and she's like, well, I'm about 83 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 2: to piss you off, in which at that point she 84 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 2: talks about the fact that at first, when she came 85 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: to the hospital, Dina had lied and said she didn't 86 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 2: know anything about the people, when actually she knew a lot, 87 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 2: including the fact all of their names Essentially, she knew 88 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 2: where they were part of the WLF or Washington Liberation 89 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 2: Front all right Wolf as you will see, and that 90 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: they were going to Seattle. She knew it all, well, 91 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: not all, she knew a good chunk and she even 92 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 2: knew enough information that Eugene had mentioned Wolf before uh, 93 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 2: that Federa had fought them and to the to their knowledge, 94 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 2: they had been pretty much wiped out. Doom Doom, doom. 95 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 2: And so of course Ellie is pissed off because she's like, 96 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 2: we lost all this time I needed, we could have 97 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 2: gotten to have gone after them and all these things, 98 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,359 Speaker 2: and and Dina was like, you would have because you 99 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,040 Speaker 2: need a treatment. She was very injured. So that goes 100 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 2: back and forth. We also see Tommy talking to Gil 101 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 2: as well at one point, talking about is Ellie okay? 102 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: What do we need to do? Should I be concerned? 103 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 2: And She's like, yes, you should be concerned, and yes 104 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,000 Speaker 2: Ellie is not okay, and yes Ellie is a liar. 105 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 2: So this interaction between the two of them. We also 106 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 2: see a moment between Jesse and Ellie. Ellie's training real 107 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: hard on the punching bags, so we have that moment 108 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 2: and he's helping her. We also find out that Jesse 109 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 2: is now part of the council, I guess, after the 110 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,880 Speaker 2: death of so many and they will be making a 111 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,559 Speaker 2: decision on whether or not that you get a posse 112 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: together to go after those who had killed Joel. And 113 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: he gives her a word of advice. He's like, write 114 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 2: it down. You're not great at convincing people, and you're angry, 115 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 2: and it's obvious, he's like, and you're not gonna get 116 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 2: your anger is not going to motivate people like Maria 117 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 2: who is on the council. So she's like, okay, I'll 118 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: get it ready. And so we go through and they're 119 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 2: having all huge town hall meetings, starting off with the 120 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: silliest things like planting things. I think they talk about, 121 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 2: okra or is that corn corn? 122 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: Okay? 123 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: Okay, So the back and forth on that, and then 124 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:19,280 Speaker 2: we have her people talking and one woman talks about 125 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 2: the fact that they've lost a lot julement a lot, 126 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 2: but everybody's lost in one at this point and they 127 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 2: need help and getting themselves together and can't be sending 128 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: off a lot of people, especially their best people. When 129 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: we just went through this thing at Jackson Hole's what 130 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 2: she says, So Carlisle gets up and says, you know, 131 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 2: we need to move on mercy, all these things, forgiveness, 132 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And then Seth goes on the best bullshit. 133 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 2: We have been attacked. These are our people, and we 134 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: have to show force. This has to be about our 135 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 2: you know, protecting our own all these things. We can't 136 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 2: be weak. And then we have Elie stand up with 137 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: her piece of paper that she had written out and 138 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: she goes from not vengeance but justice, and remembering that 139 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 2: Maria was a prosecutor, She's like, all right, here's what 140 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: we're gonna do. We need justice. This is about coming 141 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: to terms with understanding that this is what is right, 142 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 2: and not necessarily because I'm angry. That's a great speech. 143 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 2: And so they do a whole vote and it's three 144 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 2: to eight three yes, eight no. So it's a no, 145 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: and everybody's like, who are the ones who said yes? 146 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 2: The aftermath seems to take that Maria said yes. 147 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 1: Yes, it seems to be Maria, and Tommy said yes, 148 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,440 Speaker 1: and Jesse said no. People have really tried to dig 149 00:08:31,480 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: into the way the paper was collected. But I don't 150 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: think that makes sense because if they were there's no 151 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: two yeses in a row. And Tommy and Maria were 152 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,600 Speaker 1: sitting next to each other, and I do believe they 153 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,880 Speaker 1: both said yes, but I don't know. I don't know. 154 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: In interesting anyway, so we have this and Ellie is not 155 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: having it. She goes home and you see in hersha 156 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 2: she is getting already. She's got her gun, she's got 157 00:08:58,480 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 2: the gun from Joel, she got a pack, and she's 158 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 2: got her determination. And then at the same time we 159 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 2: hear Dina at the door like let me come in, 160 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 2: and Ellie scrambling like, oh god, oh God, and finally 161 00:09:10,280 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 2: that's her, and and Dina, being the Dora the Explorer, 162 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 2: which has been a whole meme in my world, comes 163 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: with a backpack, a map, and a requirement of boots, 164 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 2: which is if you know, you know, she is the 165 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 2: well prepared person and trying to remind her how to 166 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,040 Speaker 2: go about things, what they need to do, the supplies, 167 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 2: all the things that make sense, and is well prepared 168 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 2: for a backpacking trip, backpack, backpack anyway, and she says 169 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 2: she has a guy who can help with guns and 170 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 2: maybe a horse shimmer. Yeah, and anyway, moving on, and 171 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 2: as they're getting ready to go, they meet at three am. 172 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: They meet up and Seth is the guy that is 173 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: helping them, gets them a gun, a better gun with 174 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 2: a scope, and they have a good old handshake and 175 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: like you know, obviously they're they're all the same page here, 176 00:10:00,880 --> 00:10:04,520 Speaker 2: but still Ellie doesn't like him rightly so but he 177 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 2: is very much blessing them in this travels and tell 178 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 2: them good luck essentially as they move on. Tommy had 179 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:15,839 Speaker 2: told Ellie earlier where Joel was buried. Uh, And so 180 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: she goes out to give to pay respects and with 181 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 2: a handful of coffee beans, which I have a feeling 182 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 2: maybe they will see more about later, it drops coffee 183 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:31,199 Speaker 2: beans on his grave and says goodbye. They ride off 184 00:10:31,360 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: into the beautiful sunset. Is very glorious scene sends the 185 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: I guess all the graves stories beautiful as they go off. 186 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:45,119 Speaker 2: We also have a snippet of another group, the Seraphites 187 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:46,959 Speaker 2: or the Scars. You see the scars on their face 188 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: talking about war and talking about their prophetess who died 189 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 2: but told them to move, and then that they're fleeing 190 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 2: the Great War. They have nothing but hammers and sticks 191 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: on them, it seems their defense and they communicate by 192 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 2: whistling in the way, and they travel as a pack. 193 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 2: But during the time, as he's trying to explain everything 194 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 2: and the little girl gets her first hammer and they're 195 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: having kind of a sweet father daughter moment, we hear 196 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 2: the whistle that's like, oh, go hide, and so they 197 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: all go hide. And then we go offscreen. We have 198 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: Dina and Ellie coming together, and I thought we were 199 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,080 Speaker 2: going to have maybe the scene that I thought would 200 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: happen in the previous episode in this episode, but it 201 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 2: didn't believe that at that But they do have a 202 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 2: moment of flirtatious moments of talking about the kiss and 203 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 2: whether it meant nothing, and then found out that Dina 204 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 2: had gotten back together with Jesse during the time, I 205 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: guess she was in a coma or in the hospital. 206 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: Interestingly enough so that back and forth happened there for 207 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: a second, very cute thee interaction. And then we wake 208 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 2: up to them traveling and finding the spot where the 209 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: Scars or the Seraphites have been attacked. Finding that area 210 00:11:53,640 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 2: and we see all of them dead, including the little girl. 211 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 2: Dina throws up ooh, thinking that that maybe it is 212 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 2: because of whatever whatnot because of the bodies and all 213 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,679 Speaker 2: the stench. As they move on, they kind of talk 214 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 2: about the wolves and again, how a little small of 215 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: a pack there are that we have a very infamacy 216 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 2: of them coming up on Seattle, which any gasps and 217 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 2: have some good moments in these moments, and they get 218 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 2: prepared to go to the wolf encampment, I guess. And 219 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 2: then we get to a cut scene where it's just 220 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,559 Speaker 2: like a large group of people marching together with giant 221 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: tanks with the patch w LF or wolf n scene. 222 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and then you see many in the space 223 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: needle and. 224 00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, right, people, that's true, and he is trying, 225 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: he's on the lookout and he misses them by barely 226 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: two seconds. Yes, because of the way they ask for 227 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: coordinations of what he was supposed to be looking out for. 228 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: Yes, it's kind of going back to like the whole 229 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: Joel could have avoided death in so many ways. There's 230 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,240 Speaker 1: a lot of instances of that kind. 231 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: Of thing circumstances. 232 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to say, like I think, I don't 233 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: think this is a spoil that we're gonna learn more 234 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,360 Speaker 1: about a lot of these characters. And I do kind 235 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:20,080 Speaker 1: of feel bad for Manny's character because he they kind 236 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,960 Speaker 1: of amalgamated him with another character named Jordan who's not 237 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: in the show, and I think it makes sense. But 238 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: Jordan was pretty much of check and Manny. I was like, oh, 239 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 1: I could get on board, like I might, I might 240 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: not like some of the stuff you've done, but I 241 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: see the friendliness and all that. But now he's sort 242 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,439 Speaker 1: of like, but he's not right. I don't know. We'll 243 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: see what happens, but at this current moment, he's he's 244 00:13:48,080 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: much douchier than he was in the game. It's full. 245 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 1: Thanks as always, Samantha for the wonderful recap. Also wanted 246 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: to thank you for this episode. We do these watch 247 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: parties and Samantha really through a wonderful wake. We made 248 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: funeral food. 249 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 2: I made research because I would assume it's similar to 250 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: what I know in Georgia, and that's kind of what 251 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 2: I was basing it on. But I did look up 252 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 2: Texas funeral food foods and the number one was fried chicken. 253 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 2: It's like, that makes sense, so we we went and 254 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 2: grab some fried chicken. But then I was like, and 255 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 2: then obviously all the cast roles a limp salad, and 256 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 2: I'm not sure why it has to be limp. Maybe 257 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 2: it's because they sat out there for so long. 258 00:14:44,920 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: It was good. 259 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 2: So that's the sound though I got was was on point. 260 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is tasty. Maybe I just 261 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: really craved vegetables. I don't know, it's been a minute, 262 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 2: but yeah. So we had three different types of cast 263 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: four different types of cast roles. 264 00:14:59,760 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 265 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: Uh, for very small amount of people. 266 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: We had funeral potatoes, which. 267 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 2: That was new to me. I've never had before, so 268 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 2: that was new to me. That cooking that finding that 269 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:13,040 Speaker 2: recime was interesting. 270 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: It's green bean castle always a classic mac and cheesemento 271 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: mac and Cheesemo mac and cheese a golf pun because 272 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: we're terrible people, the Masters. If you don't know, pamenta 273 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: cheese is really highly associated with the Masters golf tournament. 274 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: Yeah. 275 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:38,440 Speaker 1: It was a lovely evening. Oh and we also had 276 00:15:38,440 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: coffee and whiskey. 277 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 2: Yes. So my partner does great cocktails and he was 278 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 2: prepared with his coffee whiskey cocktail and I made an 279 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 2: espresso bourbon glaze to go over these. I did not 280 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: make these about about these like cinnamon chip cupcakes or 281 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 2: muffins as a drizzle so that we can be on theme. 282 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 1: Yes, and we nailed it. We discussed in the previous episode. 283 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: We've been off with every one of our themed meals 284 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:08,760 Speaker 1: by a little bit. 285 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: But we were on this time. I feel like it 286 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 2: was obvious, but. 287 00:16:14,360 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: But I'll take the win. I'll take it. And we 288 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,520 Speaker 1: were really like, you know, the one thing we kept 289 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 1: saying that we knew Joel loved was coffee, and this 290 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: episode bore that out. We'll talk about that in a second, 291 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 1: all right, So here we go. This episode is called 292 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 1: the Past. Interestingly, they changed the title from the previous title, 293 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 1: so they're really messing with me. 294 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: Now, maybe they do listen to us, because you do 295 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: predict a lot of based on titles, and they know this. 296 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: I'm sorry to think we may have a listener. 297 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: I remember last time we did this, something strange happened 298 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: where I was like, somebody might be listening. Probably not, 299 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: but that's a little interesting that that happens. You know. 300 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: I do find delight in annoying, like I know secrets 301 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 2: because I can you divulge and they don't know. I 302 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 2: know your secret is this way. Yeah, I can find 303 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 2: delight in that. 304 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, it was supposed to be called Something's Got 305 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: a Hold on Me, which is an Eda James saw 306 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: about love, and Ellie has an Eda James poster in 307 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: her room. But the New Final Destination Movie, which none 308 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: of these are sponsors, by the way, I should have 309 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: said that at the top, the New Final Destination Movie 310 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: has that song as the trailer song and it takes 311 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: place in Seattle, and so I was like, what is this? 312 00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: Is this some kind of connection or is it some 313 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: coherence that was happening. Maybe that's why they changed it, 314 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: or maybe they realized I'm reading too much into these things. 315 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: Maybe it was very much me. But anyway, so this 316 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 1: is what it is called the path, and I think 317 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: that works in a variety of ways because we have 318 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: the path that Joel took that Gail and Tommy talk 319 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: about together you'r Gaale being the therapist played by Catherine O'Hara, uh, 320 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: And then we have the path that Ellie is going on, 321 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:26,560 Speaker 1: and then we have the path more in a religious 322 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: sense that we're going to learn more about with the Seraphytes. 323 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of paths, and there's even a 324 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: lot of path imagery. They were on kind of a 325 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: hiking trail, both Ellie and Dina and the seraphytes at 326 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: a certain point, so that's what it's called a I 327 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: even gave a speech at Joel's wake and it was terrible. 328 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: Your partner called me out. And later somebody texted me 329 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,119 Speaker 1: and was like, did you at least say the nurses 330 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: thought he was hot? And I was like, ah, I. 331 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 2: Think we all mentioned that because we were talking. We 332 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: taught a TikTok. Everybody's like if the nurse. 333 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 1: The nurse, well, after he's murdered, everyone like, but he 334 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 1: was hot. 335 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,640 Speaker 2: I mean, but he was super hot even after He's 336 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: like really, but uh yeah. 337 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: But anyway, one thing that I find is interesting about 338 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: the sort of if things were reversed arguments that people 339 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: get into. Myself included about this is Ellie says, if 340 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: it was me or you, Joel would be halfway to 341 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: Seattle already, and Tommy says not. If we had lost people, 342 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: he would be there to save my wife, but he 343 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't be And that's interesting because I would think he 344 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 1: would want revenge. But I also think, on the other hand, 345 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: he wouldn't want Ellie to do it because he wouldn't 346 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: want her to be in danger. He wouldn't want her 347 00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 1: to do it for him, So I I don't know 348 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: quite what I think, because he just seems like a 349 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: very vengeful person to me. But I do agree he 350 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't want Ellie to do it, and that's kind of 351 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: an interesting flip of the whole agency conversation. Because Ellie 352 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: didn't want Joel to kill all the fireflies, he, I 353 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: would argue, did it largely for himself. I'm not saying 354 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,119 Speaker 1: he wasn't thinking about Ellie, but I think he just 355 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: really didn't want to lose another daughter figure. And now 356 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 1: she's not really thinking about what Joel necessarily would want, 357 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: but what would make her feel better and sort of 358 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: this vengeance idea. I am going to talk about the 359 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: whole justice versus vengeance thing because that's interesting. Also, the credits, 360 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:53,879 Speaker 1: the opening credits, gotta twist the knife, because not only 361 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: is Pedro Pascal's name not in there anymore. At the end, 362 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 1: when there's two so wits there used to be, now 363 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 1: there's only one because she walks the path alone. Oh 364 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,479 Speaker 1: my gosh, I didn't notice that when we watched it. 365 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 1: But man, all right, so this is a I feel 366 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: like the first season did this too, but they did 367 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: it in the opposite where there is a very action 368 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 1: packed episode and then a more establishing episode and then 369 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 1: an action packed episode and sort of that balancing act. 370 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: So this episode is the we're dealing with the fallout 371 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: of what happened in the very action packed, dramatic, dramatic 372 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 1: previous episode. And if you've watched any behind the scenes 373 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: at all or heard any interviews at all, you'll know 374 00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 1: this is not really in the game at all, none 375 00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: of this rebuilding, none of this dealing with grief. It's 376 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 1: very interesting because they have plenty of things that are 377 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,679 Speaker 1: like shot for shot exactly, line for line exactly, and 378 00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: then they have things that are just completely not in there. 379 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: But this was one where the showrunners were talking about 380 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:21,359 Speaker 1: in the game. It essentially cuts from Joel is dead 381 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: to you're at his graveside, and then you're leaving to 382 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: get revenge. Like that's it's quick and the differences we'll 383 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: get into in a second, but like it happens very quickly, 384 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: So this is much more of a moment to grieve 385 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: this character and to sit in it for a second. 386 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: But it's still kind of I feel like for Ellie, 387 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: because Ellie was in the hospital for so long, she 388 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: didn't she didn't really have that. 389 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:56,479 Speaker 2: Uh. 390 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: I think she's this whole time just been consumed with 391 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,719 Speaker 1: I want to get out of here, whereas other people 392 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: have been working to rebuild the town or whatever it 393 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,360 Speaker 1: is Bury the Dead, but she hasn't had that. I 394 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: do think it's interesting when Gail comes in to clear 395 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: Ellie and Ellie does say as you mentioned, she says 396 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: like the right things. It's very obvious she does not 397 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: believe anything she's saying. I think she's kind of baiting Gail. 398 00:23:29,400 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 1: She's like, oh yeah, yeah, and Gail's like, oh, if 399 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: only everyone was as healthy as you. She knows she's lying, 400 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: and she cleared her anyway, and that I think that 401 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: goes back to a line she has later when Tommy 402 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,360 Speaker 1: comes to her for help and it's like, I'm really 403 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:52,239 Speaker 1: worried about her, worried she's going to do something like 404 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 1: Joel would do where he would justify things, but he 405 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: was really lashing out. And Gail says, some people just 406 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 1: can be saved. And one of our friends we were 407 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: watching it with who works in the healthcare industry, was 408 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: very much like, yeah, she had like a visceral reacal, 409 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: so yeah, yeah, But that whole idea too of Gail 410 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: being like, oh, you're a Ellie is a liar. Ellie 411 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 1: is not just lying, she is a liar. And I 412 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: think that does relate back to Joel of his lie 413 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: that he told Ellie. And it's another way that they're 414 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 1: very similar, going back to the first episode of the 415 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: season when Tommy said, you and my brother you're the 416 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 1: same person. But Gail makes the point that this is 417 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: ultimately Ellie, like Joel had very little influence on who 418 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: she is. This is her And I like that because 419 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: it feels like a way of giving her age. See, 420 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: even if it's not what you would want for a 421 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: character that you kind of grew up with you y'all, 422 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 1: dang it. But I think that's true and that can 423 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: be really hard to accept. And also, yes, I'm very curious. 424 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: We've mentioned it several times. We don't know this Eugene 425 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: storyline that's going to happen. 426 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 2: It doesn't happen to be someone who knew a lot 427 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 2: and talked a lot. 428 00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 1: Yes, And my theory is like, because he's part of 429 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: the Fireflies, this isn't a spoiler because I literally don't 430 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: know that Joel. Maybe Eugene realized something and Joel killed 431 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,200 Speaker 1: him preemptively before Gail could say goodbye, like maybe he 432 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: was still turning or something, but there was time that 433 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 1: he killed him fast. I don't know, but there's a 434 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: part of me that thinks as Gail does. One of 435 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: the reasons, she kind of pushes on, what was that 436 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: last conversation you had or what was what was this 437 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: thing that where he wronged you by saving you? I 438 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: don't know. We'll see meat shot see and then yeah, 439 00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: I guess I should have said this earlier. But set 440 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 1: the bigot. I said in the last episode he died 441 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: because I thought he had. He was one of the 442 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: flamethrower guys that didn't run, and you see him getting 443 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: knocked over by what I thought wasn't infected. But in 444 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 1: this episode it says friendly fire. But anyway, he's not dead. 445 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: And even though you don't see him in the game 446 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: after that first interaction, as far as I can remember, 447 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: he has a big role in this. Suddenly is on 448 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: Ellie's side, is getting all the supplies for Ellie and Dina. 449 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 1: But that being said, I feel like when I personally 450 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 1: watched this, I felt it was more of a kind 451 00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: of shaking hands with the devil situation, because if you 452 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: listen to his speech to me, it feels very xenophobic, 453 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: very US versus them, and he did call Ellie and 454 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: Dina pretty terrible thing. And so it's just this, like 455 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: Ellie clearly doesn't want to align with him, but she 456 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,679 Speaker 1: does because no one else is really helping her. But 457 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: I think that that is like one sign of the 458 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 1: links she's willing to go in this journey for justice 459 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: and or revenge however you fall on. That Also, I 460 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,160 Speaker 1: didn't I didn't realize this. I should have, but there 461 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: was a whole online backlash about how Billie Ramsey was 462 00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 1: never could never be strong enough to be Ellie, and 463 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: I didn't realize that's why, or at least probably one 464 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 1: of the reasons why they've already had like two scenes 465 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: where Ellie is like fighting, like punching training. The very 466 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: first scene you see of Ellie and the first episode 467 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: is of her fighting Caleb, so clearly they're trying to 468 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:32,560 Speaker 1: to combat that. But I think one of the big 469 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:37,560 Speaker 1: things about this episode and especially this part in the game, 470 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,320 Speaker 1: is that whole idea of what do you do after 471 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: someone dies, and the whole scene where she's going through 472 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: Joel's house. She's looking at his stuff, she's smelling his jackets. 473 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: It's absolutely devastating. And in the game, they're all optional. 474 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: There's so many optional things in the game that it's 475 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: just if you miss it, I feel like you're missing 476 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: so much, except for you do have to pick out 477 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: the gun. You have to get the gun, but everything else, 478 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: like if you want kind of a fun easter egg 479 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,880 Speaker 1: that I know is going to pay off, Like she 480 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: would go around the house and she'd pick up this 481 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: dinosaur booklet. There's been a dinosaur in the background of 482 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: every episode at one point because they are they're leading 483 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,680 Speaker 1: up to it. But she just has these memories. She 484 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: would she would see an item and have this memory 485 00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: and oh, it's usually like when when I first played it, 486 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: me and my friend would go outside and we would 487 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,800 Speaker 1: just be like, Oh, that's because that's what you do. 488 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: That's what you do. But she does. Ellie does pick out. 489 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: She picks up the gun, and not the watch. The 490 00:29:56,320 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: watch is the watch Joel was wearing when his daughter 491 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: Sarah was shot and was killed, and the time has 492 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 1: been stopped and the watch was something she had fixed 493 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: for him for his birthday. So it's very symbolic of 494 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: both the loss of life and I think how time 495 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: stopped for Joel at that point and also PTSD. But 496 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 1: Ellie does not pick up the watch. She picks up 497 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: the gun and leaves the watch where it is. Also, 498 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 1: you can see how beloved Joel is because in the game, 499 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 1: as I said, it happens immediately almost this is three 500 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 1: months later, and he still had a bunch of like 501 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: flat fresh flowers and gifts outside his house. He was 502 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: the head of construction, so that's a pretty big loss. 503 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 1: That's a pretty big loss when your town has just 504 00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: been destroyed. So he was beloved, and you can really 505 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: see it in when Dina and Ellie go to visit 506 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,400 Speaker 1: his grave and Ellie puts the coffee beans on top. 507 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 1: By the way, this is the scene I broke down in. 508 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:12,800 Speaker 1: But yes, it will be if you're kind of confused, 509 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:18,120 Speaker 1: I they will explain I believe the coffee and why 510 00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 1: she put that on his grave, and the discussion of 511 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: also the last moment you have with someone that Gail 512 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 1: and Ellie have. I think that's going to play out 513 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:34,600 Speaker 1: more and how much influence it has on their memory 514 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 1: and what you do in the future. And it's interesting 515 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: for me because, as I said, I relate this a 516 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,560 Speaker 1: lot to when my dad died. It was kind of 517 00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 1: close in time, and you know, Samantha, Now, every anniversary 518 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: of his death, I have a shot of vodka because 519 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: that's the last thing we talked about. And did he 520 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: really like vodka that much? No, but it's the last 521 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:02,040 Speaker 1: thing we talked about, so I remember it, and it's 522 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: I've never visited his grave for a couple of reasons, 523 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: but watching watching that scene always gets me. We've alluded 524 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: to it, and I think it's clear in this episode 525 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: Ellie is lying when she says that the last she 526 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 1: didn't go back to the fort, so that there wasn't 527 00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 1: one more conversation we haven't seen because she had the 528 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,840 Speaker 1: guitar back in her apartment her garage the next day. 529 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,960 Speaker 1: So that's where I think the coffee thing will be explained. 530 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 1: But it is one of the final scenes in the game, 531 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,040 Speaker 1: so I don't know when it will come, but yes, 532 00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 1: it's another big theme of all of this, of this 533 00:32:56,360 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: whole game, of this whole show, is how trauma and 534 00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: the fallout of it impacts all of our relationships. It 535 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: changes all of our relationships, and you can see that 536 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: in this with Ellie and pretty much everyone in her life. 537 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: But also we're going to see it more later with 538 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: Abby and her crew because they kind of witnessed her 539 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: do this thing and I have to deal with it. 540 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,600 Speaker 1: And that does bring us to Seattle, where Abby and 541 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: the crew is based, and it was cool to see. 542 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: I got very excited. That was I'm so glad we 543 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: went to Seattle and did all the things before this, 544 00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: including in the in the like on the next episode 545 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 1: they had the theater. But oh, I'm so excited. I 546 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: really hope they have the equarium in the wheel. I 547 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: don't know if they will because I'm not sure quite 548 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: how they'd filmed it, but I really hope they do. Yes, 549 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: we are introduced to two warring factions in Seattle, the 550 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 1: WLF and the Seraphytes, which does that scene with the 551 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: seraphys does kind of continue the father daughter theme. It 552 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 1: also is going to be a continuing example of how 553 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: different communities dealt with the infected and the all of 554 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:31,240 Speaker 1: the fallout, because we've already seen a bunch of ways 555 00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:34,480 Speaker 1: that it's happened, so we're going to continue to see that. 556 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 1: All right, Big game differences quickly I mentioned in the 557 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,440 Speaker 1: last one, Tommy and Dina have pretty much been switched. 558 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,520 Speaker 1: Tommy was the one that was with Joel when he died, 559 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: not Dina. In the game, Tommy kind of lies to Ellie. 560 00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: I guess that's up for interpretation. I've always figured he 561 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: kind of lied, but he basically Ellie's like, let's go, 562 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:02,360 Speaker 1: and Tommy's like, we can't go. We don't have the 563 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: people to spare, but I'll try to convince Maria to 564 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: do something. And then Ellie wakes up the next day 565 00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,640 Speaker 1: and Tommy has taken off and said, I can't let 566 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: this stand. I'm going, and Maria says, I need you 567 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,320 Speaker 1: to go get my dumb husband, and so she gives 568 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: kind of the okay for Dina and Ellie to go 569 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: and gives them some equipment. So it's no Seth is involved. 570 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: Maria and Tommy's already ahead. I am very interested what 571 00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,319 Speaker 1: they're going to do with Tommy's plotlight. I kind of 572 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: have a theory, but I will see because it's completely 573 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,800 Speaker 1: changed right now. Dina's relationship with Joel also is different, 574 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: because they liked each other in the game, but they 575 00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:53,040 Speaker 1: weren't that close. But this is very much making it 576 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,719 Speaker 1: like no, I loved him too. I want to get 577 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: revenge too for Dina and Jesse being on the council. 578 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:05,319 Speaker 1: That's one the thing that Samantha was alluding to. At 579 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: this point in the game, Dina and Elliot are together 580 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 1: and have had sex, and so I don't know, I 581 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: don't know, we'll see. I think they're gonna get together, 582 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure. I definitely got a good laugh 583 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: out of the there was only one horse, Ellie's like, oh, 584 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,600 Speaker 1: only only shiver. It also made me start thinking about 585 00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: love triangles because I guess I've always thought about the 586 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: love triangle from Dina's perspective because Ellie's not interested in Jesse. 587 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: Jesse's not interested in Ellie. They're both interested in Dina. 588 00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: So it feels like Dina has the power. But I 589 00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 1: would really love to come back and think about that 590 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: because I guess usually there isn't a queer and a 591 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: lot of stuff I've consumed, there isn't a queer aspect 592 00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:56,800 Speaker 1: of the love triangle, so I always see it from 593 00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:02,120 Speaker 1: usually the one woman's perspective because she's the one that 594 00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: gets to decide. I don't know, but I just realized 595 00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:08,279 Speaker 1: when I was rewatching it. I was like, oh, I've 596 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: always seen it from her point of view, and we 597 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: will talk about more. I had some other realizations, but 598 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: I must wait until some future episodes come out. Oh 599 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,160 Speaker 1: and one of those things is this is not in 600 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: the game. The whole thing where Dina is like, do 601 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: you ever think like Jesse is sad? And Ellie's like yes, uh, 602 00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:34,759 Speaker 1: and Dina has that moment of like, well, I feel 603 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 1: like that's just who he is. But what if it's me. 604 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: I think that's going to be relevant later, Okay, And 605 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: just yeah, Probably one of the biggest differences to reiterate 606 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: is that Ellie wasn't hurt, the town wasn't destroyed. They 607 00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: left immediately. But in this other people watch someone too, 608 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: the whole town is recuperating and Ellie had to recuperate herself. 609 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: And this brings us to the random at the end, 610 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:16,360 Speaker 1: just random thoughts I have. So I just think that 611 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: this is such a creative choice to kill off your 612 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,680 Speaker 1: main what people thought would be the main character so early. 613 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,400 Speaker 1: The development team of the game actually like really bagged 614 00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,840 Speaker 1: the writers to change the story because it was so depressing, 615 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: which we have talked about in previous episodes, but they 616 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: were leaned in and I also didn't really reiterate this 617 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:43,280 Speaker 1: in the last episode. But apart from Abby's monologue, Joel's 618 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: death scene was pretty line to line shot for shot, 619 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: including Abby's iconic line you don't get to rush this. 620 00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:52,799 Speaker 1: In my opinion, she has a more iconic one later, 621 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: but to wait for that. Also, this whole idea about 622 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: asking for help, it's a recurrent theme and Dina brings 623 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: it up in this episode, and it comes up later 624 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,759 Speaker 1: in the game at least where people are like, you know, 625 00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,439 Speaker 1: you could have just asked for help, and I think 626 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:19,160 Speaker 1: that's important. Another big theme is women and revenge, which 627 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,680 Speaker 1: we have done several episodes on. We did one that 628 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:25,799 Speaker 1: was kind of specific to the Last of Us, which 629 00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: I don't recommend listening to if you don't want to 630 00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: be spoiled. But a part of me does think the 631 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: reason people hate Abby so much is that she's a woman, 632 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:41,000 Speaker 1: and is that Joel is so beloved. And also, as 633 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,319 Speaker 1: we've discussed before, I think people were really on board 634 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: with Joel because he was protecting a young girl. So 635 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: even though he was doing these things that were pretty awful, 636 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 1: we were like, yeah, but it's for her, but it does. 637 00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,799 Speaker 1: It sparks a lot of argument, including the whole justice 638 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: for is revenge sing But it's just such a it 639 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: just spins out so quickly to me because then you're like, well, 640 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,880 Speaker 1: Abby was getting justice and now she's put other people 641 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: in danger because of that. Was she really getting justice 642 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: or was it revenge justifications versus lasting out, which is 643 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 1: what Tommy is talking about with Joel. And one thing 644 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: that we are going to see is the fallout of revenge, 645 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: not just trying to but revenge to or justice. I go, 646 00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 1: so I'll let you have it for now, to everyone 647 00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: here in their lives and even outside of that, because 648 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: if you remember, Tommy left Joel because of the violent 649 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: things that they had to do to survive. He got 650 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,000 Speaker 1: out as how he says it, I'm not sure how 651 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: it's going to play out on the show because they 652 00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: have changed his story, but I suspect that Ellie is 653 00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:53,919 Speaker 1: going to pull Tommy and maybe other people back into 654 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,640 Speaker 1: this violent world that they were trying to get out of. 655 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:03,120 Speaker 1: But we shall see. Also, Abby, Abby, Abby. We got 656 00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,520 Speaker 1: to hear Ellie say it in the tone she says 657 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:09,680 Speaker 1: it in the game where she's like Abby woo. I 658 00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,920 Speaker 1: love it so much. But I did see a lot 659 00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: of post after that episode about Abby and about how 660 00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:25,759 Speaker 1: they tried to minimize the backlash against her that the 661 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 1: game experienced. One of the things was Pedro Pascal took 662 00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:33,480 Speaker 1: a lot of selfies with her that showed that they 663 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,560 Speaker 1: were like very close and like he's like, oh, I 664 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,040 Speaker 1: love her, Like please, she's. 665 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,920 Speaker 2: A person, this is acting, this. 666 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,400 Speaker 1: Is acting, and she did. That's like one of my 667 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,040 Speaker 1: favorite things I've seen so far is like, I hate her, 668 00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: but she nailed it, so I can't be too mad. 669 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: I like that because you are supposed to hate her. 670 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying you're not supposed to at this point 671 00:41:56,120 --> 00:42:02,560 Speaker 1: right now, you I did believe me, But I think 672 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: that I appreciate people who could recognize like, wow, I'm 673 00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:10,600 Speaker 1: so angry at this character, but this actor really did 674 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: an amazing job. And I'm not going to harass them 675 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,600 Speaker 1: in any way. Is that too much to happen? But 676 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,879 Speaker 1: I do think that's why her monologue exists. I think 677 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,240 Speaker 1: that's also part of the structure of the show versus 678 00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:24,520 Speaker 1: the game, which we've discussed. Also, I read an interesting 679 00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,879 Speaker 1: thing about how they changed Joel's death a little bit 680 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:31,239 Speaker 1: where she stabs him with the golf club and then 681 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,400 Speaker 1: show his body being dragged back because so many characters 682 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,279 Speaker 1: come back in franchises. And I thought that was really 683 00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:40,480 Speaker 1: funny because I talked about how I went in the game. 684 00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:42,439 Speaker 1: I was like, he can't be did. I wouldn't never, 685 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,359 Speaker 1: I don't believe it. But they went out of their 686 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,520 Speaker 1: way to like, Nope. 687 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 2: No, he really did. 688 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:49,160 Speaker 1: He did. 689 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 2: Watches the body, nothing's happening move. 690 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,120 Speaker 1: But another theme I just want to highlight at the 691 00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,799 Speaker 1: very end here is there is going to be a 692 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: lot of exploration and to empathy and the lack thereof. 693 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: And one of the things that I really love about 694 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,720 Speaker 1: video games is a storytelling medium, is that you really, 695 00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,799 Speaker 1: if it's a good game, connect to it in such 696 00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: a way. And this game I just connected to so 697 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: hard because it felt like, you know, Ellie wasn't too late, 698 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,680 Speaker 1: I was too late. Like it makes you complicit almost 699 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: in a way. So it's really impactful. But that's definitely 700 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: something that's going to be explored. I think this whole 701 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,799 Speaker 1: idea that they keep bringing up in different ways of 702 00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: strangers versus helping outsiders is going to come up and 703 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,680 Speaker 1: in terms of empathy with that because you know, in 704 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 1: the first episode we had Maria being like, you know, 705 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,919 Speaker 1: you were a refugee to Joel, but then you see 706 00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:58,239 Speaker 1: kind of Joel. You have him both saying we can't 707 00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: let everybody in, but then helping Abby, and you have 708 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,279 Speaker 1: Seth giving this whole speech show. I think they're going 709 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,640 Speaker 1: to We're going to see more of that. Also, if 710 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,560 Speaker 1: you picked up on it in Ellie's room, there was 711 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 1: a matrix poster prominently prominently placed. I think that's about enlightenment. 712 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,720 Speaker 1: I think it's about like going through the whole journey 713 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,920 Speaker 1: and at the end maybe coming to a different realization 714 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:24,880 Speaker 1: than you thought. Another thing I know that they're playing 715 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,960 Speaker 1: on is this whole idea of the youth inheriting the 716 00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:28,680 Speaker 1: earth and what are they going to inherit and what 717 00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,520 Speaker 1: is it going to look like? And so that scene 718 00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:35,960 Speaker 1: where Tommy is, you know, kind of using the hammer 719 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:41,399 Speaker 1: to hammer in mistakes and then Jesse's like, you want 720 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:43,680 Speaker 1: me to do it and he takes over. Like there's 721 00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: a lot of instances of seeing younger, younger people take over, 722 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,719 Speaker 1: So I think that's gonna be another thing. But Abby's 723 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:53,640 Speaker 1: fury is a part of that, and the choice she 724 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,319 Speaker 1: made is a part of that, and the choice Elly 725 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:58,440 Speaker 1: has made is a part of that too, So we 726 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:04,279 Speaker 1: shall see. But yes, I'm so excited for the next episode. 727 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:10,800 Speaker 1: Oh but in the dreamtime listeners, if you have any thoughts, 728 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,280 Speaker 1: anything to add, please let us know. You can email 729 00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:17,799 Speaker 1: us at Hello at Stuffanevertold You dot com. You can 730 00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:21,000 Speaker 1: also find us on Blue Sky at Momster podcast, or 731 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 1: on Instagram and TikTok at stuff I Never Told You. 732 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,839 Speaker 1: We're also on YouTube. 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