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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori with

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Speaker 2: you along with Mark Anthony.

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Speaker 3: Our psychic lawyer, Mark. Is there a divide between our

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Speaker 3: world and the other side?

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Speaker 4: There is in a lot of people, George, they say

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Speaker 4: that this time of the year the veil is closer,

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Speaker 4: and that would assume that not just the universe, but

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Speaker 4: the multiverses and the various dimensions within each universe are

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Speaker 4: somehow dependent on a Northern European agricultural festival from the

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Speaker 4: Dark Ages. I think it's just because when people are

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Speaker 4: more aware or they're looking for something, they're going to

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Speaker 4: be more likely to see it. The truth is, George,

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Speaker 4: there is always connection between our world and the other side.

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Speaker 4: And as I explained in my books, particularly the afterlife

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Speaker 4: frequency that think of our world as AM radio and

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Speaker 4: the other side the afterlife is FM radio. So you

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Speaker 4: have two energetic systems, you know, involving not only energy

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Speaker 4: but frequency, and there are times when the vibrational frequency

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Speaker 4: between these two different dimensions will overlap. And that's what

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Speaker 4: spirit communication is. I mean, that's a very simplistic way

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Speaker 4: of describing spirit communication. But in my work, and we've

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Speaker 4: discussed this number of times on coast to coast, you

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Speaker 4: and I have, and on beyond. Belief is that all

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Speaker 4: of this is based on quantum physics. And obviously people

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Speaker 4: centuries ago didn't understand. They didn't have quantum physics, they

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Speaker 4: didn't have an understanding of frequency and radio waves and

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Speaker 4: the different forms of energy in the electromagnetic spectrum. But

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Speaker 4: they did understand when they were making contact with spirits

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Speaker 4: from you know, of their loved ones and of the

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Speaker 4: sea these people. So yes, there is a divide, But

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Speaker 4: the thing is it's here all the time, and we're

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Speaker 4: all capable of communicating or sensing the presence of spirits,

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Speaker 4: just you know, to varying degrees.

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Speaker 3: Is it easy or difficult for you to contact the

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Speaker 3: other side.

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Speaker 4: It's been part of my DNA, if you will. I mean,

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Speaker 4: from pretty much from from the time I can remember,

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Speaker 4: I've sensed the presence of spirits. I don't look at

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Speaker 4: it as negative or evil. I approach it as a

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Speaker 4: sacrament and with reverence. I always pray before spirit communication sessions.

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Speaker 4: I asked God to send forth spirits for the highest

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Speaker 4: of purposes, to bring messages of love, healing, and resolution

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Speaker 4: for the recipients. So for me, it's it's just part

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Speaker 4: of who I am.

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Speaker 2: I had a guest on last night. I talked about

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Speaker 2: demons and I wanted to ask you, have you ever

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Speaker 2: witnessed an exorcism?

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Speaker 4: I have. I was in the Amazon on I was

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Speaker 4: part of a photographic expedition and we're in the Urubamba River,

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Speaker 4: which is a tributary of the Amazon in the Peruvian

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Speaker 4: part of the Amazon. And there was about maybe thirteen

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Speaker 4: passengers and about a dozen crew on this clinkity old

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Speaker 4: It was kind of like it was kind of like

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Speaker 4: a big version of the African Queen. It was this

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Speaker 4: clankity old research vessel and we're in the middle of

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Speaker 4: literally nowhere. No all the villages that we visited, there

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Speaker 4: there were thatched, you know, thatch roof huts, and all

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Speaker 4: of a sudden, all these canoes came up to the

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Speaker 4: interpreter said that the brew Ho which is the witch doctor,

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Speaker 4: that he the brew Hoo wanted to invite us because

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Speaker 4: he heard that Talks with Ghosts was on the boat.

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Speaker 4: And everyone starts looking at me, and apparently George gossip

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and all that.

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Speaker 4: And one of the people with me, he was an

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Speaker 4: So the brujo's going through this ritual and he's pouring

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Speaker 4: He was like doing this whole slurping thing, and then

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Speaker 4: it was like, you know, if we were at Harvard

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Speaker 4: and he said, are the demons gone? And everyone's looking

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Speaker 4: about as delicate a situation as it could be. And

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Speaker 4: what I said was, there are no demons here. Then

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Speaker 4: my god, yes she'll feel better in a week, because

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Speaker 4: you couldn't possibly feel worse than she does now. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: something you don't understand it. They exist because people are afraid,

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Speaker 4: and I think a lot of people that are constantly,

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Speaker 4: to realize that when dealing with spirits, there are a

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Speaker 4: lot of non human spiritual intelligence. I refer to a

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Speaker 4: lot of them as elementals. I'm going to be in

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Speaker 4: an upcoming episode of a new series on Discovery Channel,

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Speaker 4: Destinations of the Dann with Zach Beggins, and in the

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Speaker 4: episode that I'm in, it takes place in Indiana, and

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Speaker 4: but I believe that elementals, non human spiritual intelligence were

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Speaker 4: it's very easy when encountering a spiritual entity that is

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Speaker 4: And that's why in the approach that I take to

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Speaker 4: to conclusions, collect the data, analyze it, observe it, and

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Speaker 4: then in the aftermath of the investigation, then we can

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Speaker 4: start to hypothesize and come up with theories as opposed to, oh,

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Speaker 4: lot of my colleagues, and most the colleagues that I

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Speaker 4: the less experienced ones tend to want to demonize everything

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Speaker 2: Sometimes as ago when you were on the program Mark,

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Speaker 2: we talked about curses of King UT's tomb.

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Speaker 3: Anything new there.

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Speaker 4: Well, yes, Perhaps the greatest pharaoh, or at least he

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Speaker 4: anyone that seen the movie The Ten Commandments, No, Yule

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Speaker 4: Brenner was born to play the role of Ramses, and

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Speaker 4: Ramsey's the Great ruled for roughly seventy years. He ruled

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Speaker 4: about on twelve fifty BC. Well, long story short, He

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Speaker 4: But those ancient tombs were plundered by grave robbers back

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Speaker 4: I mean that must have just been a site to behold. Well.

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Speaker 4: About thirty years later, in nineteen oh two, a group

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Speaker 4: And so he was placed in this glass case and suddenly,

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Speaker 4: in front of dozens of people, the mummy raised one

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Speaker 3: How does that happen?

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Speaker 4: Well, as it turned out, the Pharaoh's mummy was not

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Speaker 4: It's still raises, you know, still just a little bit

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Speaker 4: above above his body. So if but the thing is,

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Speaker 4: Ramses was considered the living incarnation of a god, and

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Speaker 4: if any mummy could come back to life, I'm pretty

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Speaker 4: sure it would have been Ramsey's.

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Speaker 3: The second what does that tell you about the other side? Mark?

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Speaker 4: It tells us that we the Egyptians focused on preservation

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Speaker 4: of the body. And you know, because I've always wondered,

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Speaker 4: you know, they wrap up these bodies, they put them

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Speaker 4: in these coffins, not just one, but three, then in

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Speaker 4: a sarcophagus and buried them underground. Did they expect these

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Speaker 4: bodies to resurrect, and actually what they expected was a

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Speaker 4: spiritual resurrection. And the Egyptian believe that the preservation of

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Speaker 4: the body had a direct relationship to the preservation of

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Speaker 4: the soul. Now that was their belief, and other religions

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Speaker 4: believe that. But whereas like the Romans, and to an extent,

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Speaker 4: the Greeks, used to burn the bodies of their heroes,

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Speaker 4: which the Egyptians were mortified by. But the truth is

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Speaker 4: that our soul is not created by the brain or

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Speaker 4: by the body. It pre exists. The body comes into

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Speaker 4: the body, moves on after the body dies, and so

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Speaker 4: we have all these different rituals to honor that, and

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Speaker 4: I think that's really a good thing. George.

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