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Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to bat You're happy, Arma, Joe,

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Speaker 1: and we're here with another recap. We're in a recap

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Speaker 1: fantasy suites. Let's do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're in Antigua this week, which looks beautiful. I mean,

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Speaker 2: we haven't traveled all season, so it's kind of nice

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Speaker 2: to shake it up and get a new location, a

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Speaker 2: new vibe. And I also just feel like when they

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Speaker 2: go to these tropical places, everyone's like a little more relaxed,

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Speaker 2: a little more romantic, So it's a good setting for

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Speaker 2: fantasy suites.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I kind of wish we would start the episode

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Speaker 1: instead of starting the episode off with Mel Jesse b Roll, Like,

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Speaker 1: let's actually start it off with the women in Antigua

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Speaker 1: and see what they're doing. Let's go like have a

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Speaker 1: little walk. Let's like take a walk around the block

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Speaker 1: with them, see the sites a little bit, have them

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Speaker 1: talk about how they're feeling. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I like that idea, and then like.

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Speaker 1: Cut back, you know, because I'm just like, I don't

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Speaker 1: need to watch ten minutes of what the fuck went

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Speaker 1: down this whole season.

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Speaker 3: Like the long recap.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't need the recap. I don't need the

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Speaker 1: Jesse Mel talk quite yet. Like, I want to see

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Speaker 1: these women. I want to see their excitement. I wonder

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Speaker 1: how they feel.

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Speaker 3: I like that suggestion.

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Speaker 2: I feel like even just like Jesse on the beach

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Speaker 2: with Peg being like, so walk us through your journey, like,

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Speaker 2: let's do a little ten minute chat. You know, how

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Speaker 2: are you feeling? What are you looking for this weekend?

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Speaker 2: I know we get a little bit of that in

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Speaker 2: their interviews, but I feel like going into depth more

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Speaker 2: about that is more meaningful to me at this point

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Speaker 2: than going back and seeing kind of like a montage

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Speaker 2: of their journey.

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Speaker 3: It's like, this season's not that long. I know what

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Speaker 3: happened week one.

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Speaker 1: And send the send Peg in Cindy out on a

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Speaker 1: walk together, let them talk.

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Speaker 3: Oh juicy.

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Speaker 1: I love that, Like, let's let's let's talk it out.

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Speaker 1: How are you guys feeling right now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Fair, I'm into that suggestion.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: We start off with Peg.

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Speaker 2: She's the first date of the episode, and they do

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Speaker 2: a dune buggy date.

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Speaker 3: What did you think?

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Speaker 2: I thought it was fun? And I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 2: dune buggy dates, we see them every season. Peg is

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Speaker 2: definitely like an adventurous risk taker. I mean, she was

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Speaker 2: on the bomb squad, like I feel like she's got

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Speaker 2: to have a bit of adrenaline junkie in her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I I tap out when I see a dune buggy,

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Speaker 1: I see a helicopter, I see jumping in the ocean

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Speaker 1: with sting.

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Speaker 3: Raised about any sort of boat.

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Speaker 1: I nothing's gonna happen. I'm gonna be like, Okay, this

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Speaker 1: is monu or like this is a big moment like it.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say money, monumental, monumental, but I'm like

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Speaker 1: that's totally the wrong word. I have more interested. I

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Speaker 1: have more interest in the dinner night portion. And just

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Speaker 1: like that conversation opposed to like dune buggy.

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Speaker 2: Well, in all the seasons, there's been one million dune

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Speaker 2: buggy dates, and I don't think anything's ever really like

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Speaker 2: gone down on a dune buggy. Yeah, you know, like

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Speaker 2: it's a visual cue to me that like they're gonna

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Speaker 2: ride around. One person's gonna drive slow, one person's gonna

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Speaker 2: drive fast. They're both gonna talk about that in their interviews,

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Speaker 2: and then they'll sit down and have a chat and

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Speaker 2: talk about the done buggy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, It's gonna be like in you know pegs,

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Speaker 1: I'm driving fast, mel drives slow.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think that that revealed about maybe

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Speaker 2: their personalities, their relationship, their compatibility.

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Speaker 1: Nothing really, Yeah, I don't. I don't think that's It

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Speaker 1: would be different if Peg was like fucking doing three

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Speaker 1: she's an adrenaline junkie like this she is like exports,

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Speaker 1: like this is what I love. But she's driving a

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Speaker 1: little fast on a doing buggy. Okay, So it's not

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Speaker 1: that they're They're not that much different.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fair.

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Speaker 2: Like it's not gonna be a deal breaker that she

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Speaker 2: likes to drive fast and he needs to drive slow.

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Speaker 2: So Peg says she's worried that Mal might be emotional

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Speaker 2: and available because he deflects a lot when she asks

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Speaker 2: all season. I wonder if that's something that they as

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Speaker 2: a group have talked about, do you know what I mean? Like,

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Speaker 2: I wonder if the women have earlier on, probably not

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Speaker 2: later into the journey, been like he kind of deflects

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Speaker 2: a lot, eh, Like I'm trying to get stuff out

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Speaker 2: I wonder if they're usually very caught up in the

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Speaker 2: beginning of being like I want him to get to

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Speaker 2: know me, that it is just something that they're now

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Speaker 2: realizing like huh, like I'm not I don't really know him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think it happens more down

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Speaker 1: the road with like the women that have spent more

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Speaker 1: time with them, and then they could start like recapping

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Speaker 1: the time they spent and like, Okay this he's doing this,

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Speaker 1: and YadA, YadA, YadA.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the dinner a portion happens, and I will say,

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Speaker 2: like Mel does give her like such undivided attention, like

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Speaker 2: he is both on her, locked in on what she's saying,

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Speaker 2: asking follow up questions. It's more just when like the

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Speaker 3: But I do feel like he was the.

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Speaker 2: Most vocal about his feelings that I've seen him this

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Speaker 2: whole season with PEG, Like, I think his conversation with

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Speaker 2: Jesse was important. When Jesse was like, you don't have

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Speaker 2: to say I love you, but you can still say

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Speaker 2: like I love this about you and this is how

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Speaker 2: you make me feel. I think it's important that he does,

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Speaker 2: and I was glad that he did.

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Speaker 1: I think Mel is the type of guy where if

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Speaker 1: him and Peg at this point in the show were

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Speaker 1: off camera and they were having a bottle of wine

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Speaker 1: and they were relaxing, I think he's gonna talk a

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Speaker 1: lot about his feelings, his emotions. He's probably thrown out.

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Speaker 1: I love yous like. I just think Mel is very

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Speaker 1: aware of the situation he is in and he's not

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Speaker 1: going to let them. But you, okay, your eyes are

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Speaker 3: I just yawned, but I tried to hold it in.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, Jesus, you should swallow coffee. Sorry, So yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's kind of That's kind of what I think.

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Speaker 2: The morning after, Oh my god, I feel like such

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Speaker 2: a tone switch. I was like, whoa, You guys definitely

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Speaker 2: got a little freaky last night.

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Speaker 1: We saw a different side of mouth. That was the

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Speaker 1: first time he was giggling.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, she was blushing. I was like, this

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Speaker 2: is so cute what happened last night. I feel like

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Speaker 2: ma was so giddy. He was so relaxed. He's like

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Speaker 2: in his jeans, laying on the bed, shirtless, like even though,

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Speaker 2: but I feel like he did say during the Dune

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Speaker 2: was like, there was definitely like a sexual attraction.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was like expressed. Yeah, he was likea like

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Speaker 1: her sweaty and her hair all over the place. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: He was like, I'm into her. I'm sexual attracted to her.

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Speaker 2: Like she looks beautiful, she was great, her curly hair,

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Speaker 2: Like he's definitely attracted to her. And I was like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's important, and I think that's great. I mean she's

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Speaker 2: out of Mouse or just hearing that, I was like, okay,

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Speaker 2: you really like her. And then just seeing how they

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Speaker 2: Like they both seem really happy.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was gonna be Debbie. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: really after Mel's conversation with PEG's daughter and him choosing

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Speaker 1: Peg was a massive like was the sign of like

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Speaker 1: I'm really in the back because she was like her daughter,

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Speaker 1: which like good for her. Was kind of like I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I fucking trust you. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if I like what you're saying. Yeah, I'm kind of like,

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Speaker 1: this is I'm calling bullshit and he didn't like and

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Speaker 1: he was.

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Speaker 2: There was a time to send Peg home if it

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Speaker 2: wasn't gonna be heard, that would have been the week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he would have sent her home.

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Speaker 2: He would have been like, this daughter is catching when

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Speaker 2: that I maybe not that into her mom time to

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Speaker 2: go Peg. Yeah, So the fact that he kept her

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Speaker 2: that week is just a show of dedication to her

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Speaker 2: in my opinion.

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Speaker 1: I agree, that's what I think.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it was cute seeing them in the morning. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: just like I feel like it was. It was all good,

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Speaker 2: like ten out of ten fantasy suite date. Nothing really

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Speaker 2: seemed to go wrong. They had like in depth conversations

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Speaker 2: at night. I think they had a great fantasy suite

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Speaker 2: A plus A plus.

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Speaker 1: A plus plus makes sense. Why that was shown first,

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Speaker 3: Why that was shown first.

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Speaker 2: Definitely not as juicy as Cindy's, even though I would

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Speaker 2: say Cindy and Peg both went into their dates feeling

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Speaker 2: to get more out of Mal in terms of how

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Speaker 2: he's feeling and where he's at. Their goals were the same,

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Speaker 2: but execution played out differently. So Cindy has the sting

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Speaker 2: Ray date. I've done this before the Stingrays. Have you

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Speaker 2: done it?

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Speaker 1: No, and never will you never will, have no desire

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Speaker 1: unless unless somebody's gonna pay me, I'll do it. I

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Speaker 1: will do it for money. Just let's just throw that

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Speaker 1: out there in case any any any brand dealers.

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Speaker 3: Are are affiliated with sting out there.

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Speaker 1: You know, I will do it for money, but I

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Speaker 1: will never do it for fun.

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Speaker 3: What about it does not appeal to you?

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Speaker 1: I just I just wouldn't want it, Like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: nothing appeals to me, Like I don't care to go

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Speaker 1: underwater with goggles and look at fish.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're not really a water adventure guy.

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Speaker 1: No, I mean I I enjoyed like surf lessons like

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Speaker 1: that's yeah, I enjoy like like somewhat of like a

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Speaker 3: You don't want to interact with the creatures of the sea.

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Speaker 1: Zero interaction with them. Yeah, let them let them do

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Speaker 1: their things.

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Speaker 3: I did swimming at the Sitting Rays one time.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember how old. I was not that old.

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Speaker 2: I want to say I was maybe like ten or eleven.

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Speaker 2: I am someone that's very comfortable in the water, and

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Speaker 2: I remember it took me like fifteen twenty minutes like

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Speaker 2: like step on one of them, you're gonna potentially anger one.

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Speaker 2: And as a small child, I was like, well, one

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Speaker 2: But I also don't think mel again needs to like

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get on this boat. It's I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: Sid Cidy Sydney's Sidey's Cindy's approach to dinner, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: I just think, why not wait till the cameras are

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean maybe they'll had to finish suits

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Speaker 3: She's meant to be with.

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Speaker 2: So I'm all for her asking the hard questions, but

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think his response to me it was

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Speaker 2: Well, I think they both feel the same, which is

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Speaker 3: How do you feel about me?

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Speaker 2: Like I think Cindy's like, let's get to that point

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Speaker 1: That's never good in a really like if you're about

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Speaker 3: I think he is being brutally honest. I'm being yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think he's basically saying I'm not in love with you,

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Speaker 1: And he also said like, yeah, I ended up divorced,

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Speaker 2: I want to know how long it took Mel to

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Speaker 1: Is a marriage categorized as unsuccessful if it ends in

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Speaker 3: I think it's different dep on who you ask.

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Speaker 2: Like, if someone's together for twenty five years and they

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Speaker 1: Well, then why did they get divorced?

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Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't always. You know, twenty five years a

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Speaker 3: This was enough. You know, we had our expiry date

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Speaker 2: there's not like a yes or no. But I think

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Speaker 2: most people would say unsuccessful. I think if you're just

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Speaker 2: trying to like simplify it to a successful or unsuccessful,

441
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Speaker 2: if the marriage ends, I think most people would say

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Speaker 2: it gets stamped unsuccessful. And I think that's such a

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Speaker 2: cynical way of looking at it.

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Speaker 1: What if we were married for one year and got divorced,

445
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Speaker 1: but eight months were great and in the last four.

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Speaker 3: Well, why did the last four go so south?

447
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Speaker 1: I don't know what is that success or unsuccess?

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Speaker 2: Hey, that's probably unsuccess, you know, like that's pretty quick,

449
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Speaker 2: you know, because when that happens, you're like looking at

450
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Speaker 2: it being.

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Speaker 3: Like, well, maybe we shouldn't have gotten married in the

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Speaker 3: first place.

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Speaker 1: You know. I think I think you have to. I

454
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Speaker 1: think in order for it to be labeled a success

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Speaker 1: by these people that are stamping the binder, it has

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Speaker 1: to be I think I think minimum ten years.

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Speaker 2: Okay, anything under ten years is a failure of a marriage.

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Speaker 2: Yours is a long time though, if it.

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Speaker 1: Ends in divorce. So that's what I'm saying. So like,

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Speaker 1: if we were married for five years and we got divorced,

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Speaker 1: maybe our relationship, but like our marriage is kind of unsuccessful, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I guess, I guess.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's a dark question you're posing, Yeah, but

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's gonna eventually be a time where I

466
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Speaker 1: think marriage may become obsolete.

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Speaker 2: You think, yeah, well, less and less people are getting

468
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Speaker 2: married and having child I.

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Speaker 1: Think we're trending that way already. Man. I don't think

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Speaker 1: it's I don't think it's gonna be in our time,

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Speaker 1: but I do think. I do think eventually you probably

472
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Speaker 1: won't see marriages.

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Speaker 2: I think that the incentive for people that aren't religious

474
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Speaker 2: and believe in the construct of marriage as like, uh,

475
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Speaker 2: holy act. I don't know if that's the right phrasing,

476
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Speaker 2: but you know what I'm saying. I think the motivation

477
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Speaker 2: is taxes.

478
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Speaker 1: You don't save that much, you.

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Speaker 2: Don't think, No, I guess then, like custody of children,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I'm sure marriage plays a role

481
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Speaker 2: in not well, I.

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Speaker 1: Guess marriage plays role in children with children.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, going back, going back to the Bachelor, circling back, Okay,

484
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Speaker 2: what do you think of Cindy and Mel's conversation and

485
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Speaker 2: where do you think that this is heading?

486
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Speaker 1: I mean, the way it ends their conversation, it was

487
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Speaker 1: very bleak. It really just seemed like they were both

488
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Speaker 1: not happy with each other and not happy with the situation.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like it's well, it's also harder because

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Speaker 1: you're texting right now.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm not. I'm trying to find this.

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Speaker 1: This is becoming an unsuccessful marriage.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to find I'll tell you what I'm doing

494
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Speaker 2: as much as I am listening to I'm trying to

495
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Speaker 2: find what our predictions were.

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Speaker 1: This is what This is what I will say I

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Speaker 1: right now after watching that, I would be so shocked,

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Speaker 1: so shocked if he picks Cindy. Really, yeah, I just

499
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Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna happen now unless unless we were

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Speaker 1: left on a cliffhanger and the whole conversation is about

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Speaker 1: the shift.

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Speaker 3: Do you think that.

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Speaker 2: Do you think that this conversation made up his mind

504
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Speaker 2: potentially or do you think that it's he's always kind

505
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Speaker 2: of known it's potentially going to be peg because I

506
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Speaker 2: have felt him to be quite torn in his decision making.

507
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Speaker 2: I've gone back and forth, like I'm not sure if

508
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Speaker 2: Mel knows what he's going to do yet.

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Speaker 1: I think I think it was I think it's been

510
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Speaker 1: pegged for a long time. Yeah, I think it's been

511
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Speaker 1: pegged for a long time. Okay, and I think Cindy

512
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Speaker 1: has been his number two for a long time.

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Speaker 3: Interesting, Okay, that's what I think.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm curious to see how this unfolds.

515
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Speaker 1: So we have our our predictions that we make at

516
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Speaker 1: the beginning of the season. We make these predictions before

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Speaker 1: the first episode.

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Speaker 2: Airs, right, I think what we did was we each

519
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: picked three from the cast photos, and then we each

520
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 2: picked one after the first episode. Yeah, so off of

521
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Speaker 2: the cast photos, Joe had picked Nicole, great, pick Eileen,

522
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Speaker 2: who I think went home pretty quick, pretty quick, Roxanne

523
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Speaker 2: also went home pretty quick. And then your pick after

524
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Speaker 2: Night one was Peg nice. And then for me, off

525
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Speaker 2: of cast photos, I had Debbie, Carol, Jerry. So all

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Speaker 2: my girls did pretty well actually, and my pick after

527
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Speaker 2: Night one was Cindy. Wow, which is wild. We each

528
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Speaker 2: after Night one picked the final two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you really need that Night one Well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, going off of the headshots in the bios, I mean,

531
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Speaker 2: you're straight up just guessing Night one gives you so

532
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Speaker 2: much more to go off of. But like, still, I'm

533
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Speaker 2: impressed that each of us picked the Final two.

534
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I'm impressed too. We've we've we've officially

535
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Speaker 1: watched the show way too many times truly, honestly, Like,

536
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Speaker 1: if you want to know who's going to be at

537
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Speaker 1: the end, just listen to our predictions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're probably right.

539
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Speaker 1: I think you think you'll be able to because she's,

540
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Speaker 1: you know, not part of the franchise, She's coming from

541
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Speaker 1: a different show. Do you think we're going to be

542
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Speaker 1: able to figure it out with Taylor Frankie Paul?

543
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Speaker 2: I think that'll be harder, I think because we don't know,

544
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Speaker 2: like when they have, we have.

545
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Speaker 1: A lot more information on her if you watch The

546
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Speaker 1: Mormon Wife.

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Speaker 3: That's true, that's true.

548
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Speaker 2: Actually, you know what it is that the prediction comes

549
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Speaker 2: from us having watched an episode one so many times

550
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Speaker 2: that something in the edit is cluing us that this

551
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Speaker 2: person's going far.

552
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Speaker 3: We just don't even know it.

553
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Speaker 1: Oh, I know it.

554
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Speaker 2: No, I'm saying like it's like it's like second nature

555
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Speaker 2: for us to pick up on some of the things.

556
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Speaker 2: I don't even realize him picking up on, you know

557
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like obviously we picked we read into

558
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 2: something that they were trying to tell us.

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00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: Okay, I think, uh, that's basically basically a recap. I mean, honestly,

560
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: there's only two women, so you know, there's not much

561
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: more we can even talk about.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the big episode's coming up. It's the finale.

563
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Speaker 2: We're going to see how this conversation with Cindy unfolds.

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Speaker 2: Looks like, Jesse and Mel have a conversation, Peg and

565
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Speaker 2: Mel have a conversation if things go well, if someone

566
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Speaker 2: if not, both of them are going to be meeting

567
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Speaker 2: his family, so that'll be exciting to see his sons

568
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 2: come into play. I'm excited to see him interact with

569
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Speaker 2: his sons. That'll be good and we'll see how this

570
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Speaker 2: whole journey ends.

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Speaker 1: Yep, thank you guys so much for tuning into Better

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Speaker 1: or Happy Hour. Make sure you download and subscribe to

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Speaker 2: your way. We also have Joan on the podcast to

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Speaker 2: give us all of her thoughts later this week, so

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Speaker 2: be sure to tune into that.

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