Speaker 1: Look man, oh I see you? Why why? And look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness wow, I
Speaker 1: can barely get that out, bitch, Oh my god. We
Speaker 1: should say this is our first post op episode of
Speaker 1: Lost Culture, and we have Matt Rogers here with us,
Speaker 1: and as always, as always, he's being a trooper duper
Speaker 1: supersonic racer. I wanted to be here for our guests
Speaker 1: because this is a Capital G guest, but I do
Speaker 1: want to update everyone that it went really well, and
Speaker 1: all my doctors and everything, we're super happy about how
Speaker 1: it went. And thank you everyone that reached out and
Speaker 1: was so sweet and was so nice, and you guys
Speaker 1: really kept me going. And also what kept me going
Speaker 1: was that someone made that filter, that Lost Culture to filter.
Speaker 1: My god, that was so fun. But um it did.
Speaker 1: It did go great. And right now I've just got
Speaker 1: a full on splint on my nose. So if I
Speaker 1: sound a little nasals just because I'm working with an
Speaker 1: extra gear today, but you know, we're soldiering on some
Speaker 1: extra gear. Thank you so much to Katie Ka Nats
Speaker 1: for making that filter. I love it. She made a
Speaker 1: choice to keep it. Obviously, she can't do all two
Speaker 1: hundred that would be insane. It's top top fifty, and
Speaker 1: so you're not going to get a bad You're not
Speaker 1: gonna get a bad results, no flops because we're working
Speaker 1: on the top quartile there, you know. Yeah, so that
Speaker 1: kind of that kind of kept me. I would say
Speaker 1: a few things kind of kept me going since this happened.
Speaker 1: Fearless Taylor's versions, well, oh my god, four Fearless Taylor's version,
Speaker 1: which I know you've been gagging. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: love it. I love it. Bohen Yang as the Iceberg
Speaker 1: on SNL. Oh my god, and my mother is here.
Speaker 1: Run over there she's she's like, you have to bring
Speaker 1: on the can, you have to bring on the micro
Speaker 1: one second for a second, because actually there is some news,
Speaker 1: which is I got her to be a big Drag
Speaker 1: Race fan. Oh you guys, mainlined all of season is
Speaker 1: coming in. This is her podcast debut. So mom, say
Speaker 1: who you like on Drag Race Season into the mic
Speaker 1: Rose and got Mack. So can you believe that she's
Speaker 1: been saying that since the beginning, So she she knew
Speaker 1: top three? Yeah, the top three, top three. I mean Candy,
Speaker 1: We love candy, but Candy is maybe like the controversial
Speaker 1: wild card pick. Would you agree, mom, Yeah, that would
Speaker 1: be definitely controversial. You know, a little drag, a little drag. Well.
Speaker 1: I even said when I was on Twitter, back on
Speaker 1: Twitter for like three days, I said I love this
Speaker 1: top four and then people were getting in my replies
Speaker 1: being like, uh, Candi doesn't deserve to be I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, everybody calm down. So we're over here saying
Speaker 1: that we love. We are handy news fans were handy
Speaker 1: news fans, but Katrina is not. No, no, she likes
Speaker 1: and you like, oh I love Lallerie and well, yeah, Lolleri.
Speaker 1: You know what my mom was loving about Lallerie The
Speaker 1: looks until the until the till the bags, of course,
Speaker 1: but the looks were otherwise great. Katrina Olivia, Yeah, Olivia
Speaker 1: was the one that was really beautiful. Um yeah, but
Speaker 1: had she had some stunning outfits on the ones that
Speaker 1: she brought with her. Yeah that that they were really cute.
Speaker 1: She just couldn't get that bag. Look she does? Does
Speaker 1: does it? Cut it, motion it? He takes it a
Speaker 1: little easy today. I'll work make sure he takes it
Speaker 1: very easy, of course. Katrina with the oh, thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, Katrina, thank you and that's Clark. That's Clark.
Speaker 1: We're gonna bring him in later. I have to be quiet,
Speaker 1: but high. This is you can I love mom? Hime mom?
Speaker 1: This is the first cameo from a this is this
Speaker 1: is already a huge episode. Um, Katrina is such a
Speaker 1: saint for for for taking care of you and and
Speaker 1: we're not even gonna put her on the spot and
Speaker 1: make her say to catch phrase. We all know what
Speaker 1: the catchphrase is. No damn bird? Can you shout out
Speaker 1: from the kitchen? Mom? Da bird? What? Now she's yelling
Speaker 1: at me because I'm talking too loud. Okay, So this
Speaker 1: is the you have to understand. This has been the
Speaker 1: vibe in the in the house. It's not in the apartment.
Speaker 1: Yeah that please, Okay, your cameos over now. Oh alright,
Speaker 1: see a small taste of the spotlight. And this is
Speaker 1: how they get these young girl How do they get
Speaker 1: these young girls? Well? How you doing? Girl? Before we
Speaker 1: bring in the guests, I want to take a aperture
Speaker 1: check on on the girl. I won't keep you very
Speaker 1: long in this in this you know, pre pre show space,
Speaker 1: pre inter space. I'm doing okay, I just I'm so embarrassed.
Speaker 1: We're having to start a little late because um, still
Speaker 1: I'm still just a little still, just a little too
Speaker 1: busy for my taste, which I know is part of
Speaker 1: getting tired culture, I know. But busy with your your
Speaker 1: many jobs. No, no, I'm just I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: I I did not plan this um in the way
Speaker 1: that I should have, and so it's sort of on me.
Speaker 1: You are going to we're going to have a RESTful summer.
Speaker 1: Yes that's true, I hope so. Well, here's someone who
Speaker 1: gave me um a true breath of fresh air and
Speaker 1: array of light over last summer. Is our guest. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is a bomb. Indeed, Well
Speaker 1: it's funny you should say that it is because um
Speaker 1: he was a wonderful podcast called Soul Bomb. We've both
Speaker 1: had the privilege of being guests. It was a privilege.
Speaker 1: It was a privilege. I mean, and he he wants,
Speaker 1: he wants to go for this vibe. It's it's very
Speaker 1: much a super soul Sunday vibe for us. But of
Speaker 1: course we're never going to be big enough to go
Speaker 1: to Oprah. No, no, no, it was I felt like
Speaker 1: I was miss Markle. I felt like without without you know,
Speaker 1: digging up the for for anything and without drudging up
Speaker 1: any controversy. But yeah, I felt like I was Megan
Speaker 1: Markle if I didn't have as much conflict as her.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, like sort of a low conflict.
Speaker 1: Megan Markle is how I felt when I went on
Speaker 1: the podcast. You know, if you were Megan Markle, but
Speaker 1: you googled your damn boyfriend. Yeah. Hello, By the way,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I don't I think that she
Speaker 1: googled Prince Harry before she married Prince Okay, the girl googled.
Speaker 1: I think our guest, um, it's through fantastic. You've seen
Speaker 1: him in love Simon, his girlfriend. Even I watched his
Speaker 1: um human rights campaign speech when I was trying to
Speaker 1: write mine, and mind came out a clunker. But his
Speaker 1: is perfect in every way, baby, just like just like him. Everyone,
Speaker 1: please welcome into your ears. Clark. Yeah, I'm gonna cry,
Speaker 1: it's too early. That was the nicest intro I've ever gotten.
Speaker 1: It is such an honor to be here. Don't be
Speaker 1: crying now now, Clark, how how are you right now?
Speaker 1: Vibe wise? Because I think this is perfect. This is
Speaker 1: a perfect sort of meeting of our guest with the
Speaker 1: vibe on loss culture right now, which is a little
Speaker 1: bit more sdate. It's a little bit slower, it's a
Speaker 1: little bit more soothing, I think because Matt is having
Speaker 1: to sort of keep a low cap, a low lid
Speaker 1: on the the vocal energy, which is really trademark. Matt
Speaker 1: is literally healing, and my show is all about healing,
Speaker 1: about emotional healing. Yeah, I'm happy to I'm happy to
Speaker 1: bring the good vibes here. I had to be there,
Speaker 1: you know. You know. The thing is, though, when I
Speaker 1: see you, I smiled too big, And when I smile
Speaker 1: too big, my stitch is rip open. Then I have
Speaker 1: to go get another procedure. No, he's I'm kidding. Okay, good, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean to answer your question, I'm fine. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: ups and downs, but generally, I think I'm in a
Speaker 1: similar vibe to what Matt has been saying on the
Speaker 1: Pot the past couple of episodes about sort of getting
Speaker 1: into a stasis and then trying not to go too
Speaker 1: high or too low and just kind of being in
Speaker 1: that placid state day to day, which is nice. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Has it been like a sustained static thing for the
Speaker 1: whole pandemic? Are we talking about a more recent local
Speaker 1: stretch of time. I think, well, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: there were times in the early part where I allowed
Speaker 1: myself to get taken on rides every single day, you know,
Speaker 1: and like you open your I mean obviously right now, Um,
Speaker 1: I've only read his name. I've not said his name
Speaker 1: out loud, so I can't think of it Dante, right,
Speaker 1: thank you. Also, by the way, I brought people with me,
Speaker 1: because our man has an entourage. I brought the full entourage.
Speaker 1: I brought my producer Simone. I brought my intern sally uh.
Speaker 1: I actually I didn't bring them. They both said we
Speaker 1: are coming because we love this show so much. And
Speaker 1: I said, am I I will not get between you
Speaker 1: two and Boone and Matt I won't do it. So
Speaker 1: they're here. Um. But yeah, So like I I think
Speaker 1: in the earlier part, I would have um allowed myself
Speaker 1: to go on a journey, an emotional journey of like
Speaker 1: yet another unarmed black man being killed by the police
Speaker 1: who can't seem to figure out if it's a taser
Speaker 1: or a gun that their whole you know, maybe they
Speaker 1: shouldn't be a police, Maybe they shouldn't be a police officer.
Speaker 1: They can't tell the difference interesting like base level, you know.
Speaker 1: And and also it's so funny you would say that
Speaker 1: bowing about like I mean, it's so funny for us
Speaker 1: to be talking about this now. Because on your episode
Speaker 1: of Soul Bomb we talked about Elijah McLaine. There was
Speaker 1: listening to this talk between John Early and Dr Catherine
Speaker 1: Lee who at you see, Senacruis, this is so random,
Speaker 1: But she said she said this thing where she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, we're not going to get rid of like
Speaker 1: racial biases in our lifetime. So what the thing that
Speaker 1: we all have to focus on now is like the
Speaker 1: fact that there are racists who can hurt you and
Speaker 1: there are racists who can't. And it's like she was
Speaker 1: talking about how she was like she's in an interracial
Speaker 1: marriage and she was in like Europe somewhere at a
Speaker 1: bus stop, and then this this like woman was sneering
Speaker 1: at them, clear taking issue with the fact that they
Speaker 1: were um interracial, and then the husband got a Doctor
Speaker 1: Lu's husband got a little stressed out. But then Dr
Speaker 1: Luke just goes, what am I gonna do, like tell
Speaker 1: this woman off and I'm never going to see again.
Speaker 1: I mean, of course, it's like a crazy that's like
Speaker 1: a really tense, maybe dangerous situation in the moment, but
Speaker 1: it's like, just save the exertion, the emotional labor, let's say,
Speaker 1: anything that has to do with like stirring you into action.
Speaker 1: Save that for the forces and the institutions and the
Speaker 1: structures whatever that have the potential to harm people. Like
Speaker 1: that's what it is I've got. That's that's kind of
Speaker 1: helped me with a lot of what like as a
Speaker 1: way of looking at a lot of stuff like this.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I went on this huge tangent. No, that's
Speaker 1: that's exactly the space that I'm living in. Because we
Speaker 1: actually just to bring it back around. I promise I
Speaker 1: won't plug the pod every single time. The girl should
Speaker 1: be listening to it. I will say. The most recent
Speaker 1: episode that we put out, I think last week, was
Speaker 1: with this UM psychologist named Dr Mario Bouquet, and she
Speaker 1: is a specialist in intergenerational trauma and UM sort of
Speaker 1: like mindfulness. She's a little bit in that holistic woo
Speaker 1: woo space, paired with the credentials of a doctorate in
Speaker 1: psychology from Columbia. Okay, that's what makes it not so
Speaker 1: woo because we love it. Okay, yeah, sources, we have citations, um.
Speaker 1: But she talked about how we, you know, we've normalized
Speaker 1: so many of these things, whether it's even just you know,
Speaker 1: putting a mask on her face, um, but the body
Speaker 1: doesn't process it that way. The body is still processing
Speaker 1: all of these little things that we've come to normalize
Speaker 1: about the pandemic, about racial trauma, about whatever, um, in
Speaker 1: a fight or flight way because it's the only way
Speaker 1: that we're programmed to respond to these things. And so
Speaker 1: just because up here or like in our outward facing world,
Speaker 1: we think we're okay if we're not actively doing something.
Speaker 1: And that can be a sound bath. It can be
Speaker 1: watching a television show, it can be reading, you know,
Speaker 1: it can be talking to your sister, like, but it
Speaker 1: has to be a conscious choice where you sit down
Speaker 1: and you say, this is the medicine that I'm taking
Speaker 1: to heal myself from whatever experience you had that day.
Speaker 1: And if you aren't doing that, then it's storing in
Speaker 1: your body and it will come out in other ways.
Speaker 1: I feel like you you two are like you so
Speaker 1: carry the light, like if you know that expression, like
Speaker 1: you really do, like you just have this like energy
Speaker 1: about you, which is just you do make people feel better,
Speaker 1: like something that I think everyone would want to say
Speaker 1: about themselves. I can say about you, which is like
Speaker 1: after you haven't experienced with you, you feel better than
Speaker 1: you did before, and so like that. But I feel
Speaker 1: that that's true. And so I don't know about you.
Speaker 1: But for me, like if I'm ever feeling useful or
Speaker 1: like productive in the world, it has to be really
Speaker 1: connected to my joy so like and I kind of
Speaker 1: get that vibe from you as well, that like, do
Speaker 1: you feel like you're more productive creative, like useful when
Speaker 1: you are feeling joyful, or do you do you like
Speaker 1: sort of create from strife? I would say it has
Speaker 1: to be purpose driven for me, Like I am we
Speaker 1: are Pisces, right, sister, So Scorpio king. A lot of
Speaker 1: water here, a lot of water dripping, what drip? But
Speaker 1: I so I'm in the It's almost like um to
Speaker 1: stay in this woo space. My my rising is Gemini.
Speaker 1: So my front facing is very social and very light
Speaker 1: and very you know, like social butterfly. I bounce around,
Speaker 1: I make people feel good. But in my sort of
Speaker 1: like behind the scenes, I'm diving into the depths of
Speaker 1: the darkness, and I sort of think of it as
Speaker 1: like I'm doing that so you don't have to. You know,
Speaker 1: I have built up a tolerance for it. I've I
Speaker 1: know how to navigate there, and I know how to
Speaker 1: turn that into something productive or creative for myself. Um,
Speaker 1: And then I can sort of be I mean, of course,
Speaker 1: I live for the Oprah comparison. It's it's the aspiration
Speaker 1: of my entire life. I can sort of be the
Speaker 1: guide through the darkness and we can walk through it together. Um.
Speaker 1: But my my whole thesis statement for for life is
Speaker 1: wanting to make people feel better. And this thing that
Speaker 1: my dad used to say, Um, the director of the
Speaker 1: performing arts camp that I used to go to that
Speaker 1: like made me fall in love with performance. Um. They
Speaker 1: both used to say, and and still say, always leave
Speaker 1: places and people better than you found them. And that means,
Speaker 1: you know, cleaning up the table after you leave at
Speaker 1: the food court in the mall that was the you know,
Speaker 1: that was where my dad these filth queens, the leaving
Speaker 1: the food courts like a zoo and you're walking on
Speaker 1: the street, you know, you see some trash on the sidewalk,
Speaker 1: like you pick it up and throw it away. It's
Speaker 1: you know, little things like I feel crazy when I
Speaker 1: do that, but I do do that like now now
Speaker 1: even in l A where it's just like a truly
Speaker 1: lost cause in terms like I'll be like, oh this
Speaker 1: like like it's a public park. But I think it helps.
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's so funny that you say that,
Speaker 1: because even even as soon as we brought you in
Speaker 1: your you pointed out the fact that Matt is healing.
Speaker 1: It just means that you are attuned to that idea.
Speaker 1: Can I have such a frivolous question, but what's your moon?
Speaker 1: What's your moon sign? I'm double Pisces girl, that's same,
Speaker 1: I'm Pisces rising cancer moon. So he's he's triple, he's
Speaker 1: triple water placement. It's to cry at any beautiful I love.
Speaker 1: I love it out him. Um Clark. I just think
Speaker 1: that you probably provided me with like a real sense
Speaker 1: of groundedness over the summer with that interview, because I
Speaker 1: was like, you really, you really like had me talking
Speaker 1: in a way that I would never I would never
Speaker 1: open up to most people that not even my therapist.
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, he's got me, he's got me,
Speaker 1: and I will tell the readers what it is. What
Speaker 1: is it? What? No, I'm tell tell the readers what
Speaker 1: the interview was. The interview was on soul Bomb. It
Speaker 1: was just we were just talking about if I remember correct,
Speaker 1: I brought up conversion therapy. I brought up forgiveness. I
Speaker 1: brought up like all all these things. You probably don't
Speaker 1: know this unless you've listened to the pod recently, but
Speaker 1: we've there's a really no I know I have recently. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm truly honored that. I'm my SoundBite is int there.
Speaker 1: Oh good, I'm glad you feel that way. I I
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, you know he got that out of me,
Speaker 1: that Clark. I mean, I was shook by it because
Speaker 1: I you know, we we really also speaking to the
Speaker 1: you know, the podcast has been healing for me. But
Speaker 1: it's also a lot of work, as as we all know,
Speaker 1: putting out an hour of content a week is a lot.
Speaker 1: And it's not nothing, and it's more that it's like,
Speaker 1: it's more that it's constant and the way that we
Speaker 1: run our show. Um, because my producer, Simone is like
Speaker 1: a proper late night producer. Thank god, we don't do
Speaker 1: pre interviews that would be too much. But we do
Speaker 1: extensive research beforehand, and then we also do a heavy
Speaker 1: edit because I want to give space to um, you know,
Speaker 1: to sort of sit in silence even or you know,
Speaker 1: not to feel like you have to speak. And so
Speaker 1: a lot of times the interviews will be really slow
Speaker 1: and then we'll come back in and we'll just sort
Speaker 1: of like the same thing with Matt's interview. I told
Speaker 1: you there was a section at the end where I
Speaker 1: was like, for whatever reason, I was like going for
Speaker 1: I just kept going back to the same point, and
Speaker 1: I was like, I feel like we got it, and
Speaker 1: so then we pulled out a whole five minute chunk
Speaker 1: where I was just asking the same question over and
Speaker 1: over and over. Anyway, all this to say that it's
Speaker 1: a lot of work, and it's a lot of emotional
Speaker 1: labor as well, um, because I'm really sitting in that
Speaker 1: space with the guest, which is nice and it can
Speaker 1: be healing. But specifically, Bowen your your interview. I just
Speaker 1: found it. So I said this to you. Then I'll
Speaker 1: say it again, generous the way that you think back
Speaker 1: on specifically conversion therapy and the relationship that you have
Speaker 1: with your parents. And I was asking you about forgiveness,
Speaker 1: your practice of forgiveness, Um, because I want to develop one,
Speaker 1: and because I have a lot of resentments. She can
Speaker 1: hold a grudge. You know, I'm going to hold a
Speaker 1: grudge on this towing truck that has decided to know
Speaker 1: you don't that. Okay, there's a Subaru on the back
Speaker 1: of the truck and for whatever reason, it's right outside
Speaker 1: my window. But what you said was, it's yeah, forgiveness
Speaker 1: is a practice, and it seems like it's going to
Speaker 1: be impossible, and then you do it, and then you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I did it, and then you just keep doing it.
Speaker 1: The whole point of forgiveness is that you cut your
Speaker 1: your your brain is telling you you have no reason
Speaker 1: to do that. You have no reason to forgive, to
Speaker 1: forgive someone, um, not to get like biblical even, but
Speaker 1: like yeah, that's just that's kind of the whole not
Speaker 1: virtue of it. It's just like it's it's it's it's irrational,
Speaker 1: Like forgiveness is irrational. I want to ask you, but
Speaker 1: to be where you're saying, like it is emotional labor.
Speaker 1: What are you doing to release that? Like what are
Speaker 1: you doing? What are you doing? Like what's your sound
Speaker 1: about what's your TV show, what's your what's your what?
Speaker 1: For a while, I've I've also had to be I've
Speaker 1: also had to switch it up, you know, because you
Speaker 1: get into a habit and you sort of so I'm
Speaker 1: actually dry at the moment. I know, at the top
Speaker 1: of Quarantine, I was dry for a while and then
Speaker 1: I was like what am I doing? And then I
Speaker 1: was smoking weed like every day for a while. And
Speaker 1: then a couple of weeks ago to three or maybe
Speaker 1: four weeks ago. Um, I stopped and have replaced it
Speaker 1: with bedtime reading, which has been really nice. And I
Speaker 1: read De Transition Baby by Tory Peters. I stopped like
Speaker 1: a third of the way through, but I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is so sexy and hot and I love everything
Speaker 1: about this. It was not good nighttime reading because it's
Speaker 1: a page turner and it's like it gets you sort
Speaker 1: of going. But I read that last week and enjoyed it. Um.
Speaker 1: I watched everything I'm watching every like all of the
Speaker 1: not possible, but there's a lot. There's a lot of things.
Speaker 1: I actually I made notes of what I watched this weekend,
Speaker 1: So I watched thunder Force. What did you think? I
Speaker 1: thought it was so funny. I am very Melissa McCarthy girl.
Speaker 1: I love a tag you Spencer, and I love their
Speaker 1: press narrative. Over the past they were friends like ye
Speaker 1: and years they were auditioning together, like for like under
Speaker 1: fives and stuffy old school Hollywood friends. Octavia is like
Speaker 1: friends with Melissa's parents. You know, it's like true friendship.
Speaker 1: And that layer of the narrative added it was I
Speaker 1: thought it was funny, and they were up against each
Speaker 1: other at the Oscars when Octavia was yeah, that's so,
Speaker 1: that's crazy thing. I also rewatched Frances ha Oh great,
Speaker 1: which I love, Love Love Love, I Love Noah Love Greta.
Speaker 1: Of course it's very white, but still very good. One
Speaker 1: of the great films of white cinema, one of the
Speaker 1: great one of the great white films. Frances Hayes Black
Speaker 1: and White and White. Yes, speaking of white people, y'all
Speaker 1: should watch the Netflix documentary about the college admission scandal.
Speaker 1: Did you watch it? Oh? My god? I did. Shooty
Speaker 1: Night Student. I tried to start it, and then once
Speaker 1: it got to like the recreated it like the recreation,
Speaker 1: I was like, now I'm out, I'm out, I'm out.
Speaker 1: I had doubts too about the recreations. But it actually,
Speaker 1: by the end, it's kind of good because you realize
Speaker 1: just how ridiculous some of the conversations that these parents
Speaker 1: were having like that, like once it gets into the
Speaker 1: real thick of it, like and you're actually hearing real
Speaker 1: transcripts acted out of the way people talk about their
Speaker 1: kids like this one woman that's like, the thing is,
Speaker 1: you know, we're dealing with my younger daughter, and she's
Speaker 1: so much smarter than the older daughter. Like my older
Speaker 1: daughter was never gonna ask questions about this, but my
Speaker 1: younger daughter isn't stupid like my older daughter. So good.
Speaker 1: I loved that when she dragged her kids. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then and then you realize like like eventually, like the
Speaker 1: kids are gonna find out that you did this, and
Speaker 1: that they even say and the thing like, you know,
Speaker 1: I think while the while the parents would say they
Speaker 1: were thinking about their kids, when when they did this,
Speaker 1: like they were really not right right right right right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I watched it, and the same thing. But when I
Speaker 1: was like, these reenactments are going to be brutal, they were.
Speaker 1: They seem to like that we're gonna be tacky. And
Speaker 1: then I was like, you know what, girl, you get
Speaker 1: your COVID check. Okay, I have to some things. I
Speaker 1: would not have said yes to Ae. Okay, I'm like,
Speaker 1: you do what you got? It you read that transcript,
Speaker 1: I would be like, you want me to say what? Okay,
Speaker 1: point darling, that's right. I was like, yeah, Matthew, sorry,
Speaker 1: I go ahead and keep going. And then and then
Speaker 1: what else? What else have we consumed? I weirdly had
Speaker 1: a an emotional reaction to god Zilla versus Kong, which
Speaker 1: I watched yesterday. Emotional reaction extreme anger. No, I cried,
Speaker 1: beautiful girl. Okay. So, first of all, who do you
Speaker 1: identify with? Well, it's it wasn't actually have y'all seen
Speaker 1: it not? I have not. I'm dying too, okay, So
Speaker 1: how can we not spoil the You can, you can spoil.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling I kind of know what the
Speaker 1: spoiler is. I feel like I will love it no
Speaker 1: matter what I think of love love. I really love
Speaker 1: those movies. So okay. So the thing that made me
Speaker 1: cry is a little bit of a spoiler in that
Speaker 1: it opens up a plot device, but it's not any
Speaker 1: of any like big spoilers. So so so Letten reader,
Speaker 1: if you're listening, you haven't seen it. Um, skip ahead,
Speaker 1: let's say five minutes. Well, we'll give you a to
Speaker 1: a specific time signature. But yes, okay, great, sorry, keep going, Clark.
Speaker 1: So basically, around thirty minutes, there's this little girl who
Speaker 1: has like developed a relationship with Kong in the habitat
Speaker 1: that he's living in, and she is hearing impaired, and
Speaker 1: you sort of see through the first thirty minutes that
Speaker 1: she's like has a relationship with him, but you don't
Speaker 1: really know what it is. And right around minute thirty
Speaker 1: it is revealed in the most beautiful way that the
Speaker 1: relationship she has with her is that she can communicate
Speaker 1: with him through sign language. And the reason why it
Speaker 1: got me, the reason why it got me was it
Speaker 1: because it was just such a beautiful narrative that this
Speaker 1: girl's I'm literally gonna cry. This girl's disability is her superpower.
Speaker 1: It's a crucial plot device. The only way anyone else
Speaker 1: can can communicate with Kong is through this girl's relationship
Speaker 1: because of her disability, And um, it was just so
Speaker 1: like in this time of representation and the conversations of
Speaker 1: like shoehorning, diversity in and how brutal it is to
Speaker 1: watch them check boxes, you know, and like for it
Speaker 1: to be such a thoughtful inclusion and for it to
Speaker 1: be the main, driving, crucial plot point. You know, it
Speaker 1: got me, It got And then he signs home to her,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was, Oh my god, clerk, there
Speaker 1: was some good stuff in there. I would say, while
Speaker 1: we're still in spoiler zone, Um, it always irritates me
Speaker 1: when it's like Godzilla versus Kong and then at the
Speaker 1: end there's no winner because they're both actually good. Like
Speaker 1: Godzilla comes in kills what has to be millions of people,
Speaker 1: like pleasers, like stomping on buildings doing Godzilla's gig, like
Speaker 1: he comes in fully on game. And then at the
Speaker 1: end they have a conversation. They're like they speak to
Speaker 1: one another. And by the way, there's a really good
Speaker 1: line by Rebecca Hall, which is we think they have
Speaker 1: an ancient rivalry. Like she's just like sort of rifling
Speaker 1: tho drawers, trying to find papers or whatever, and she's like,
Speaker 1: we believe they have an ancient rivalry. And it's like, well,
Speaker 1: this is just pure camp. And then honestly, maybe I
Speaker 1: loved it at the end and they spoke to each
Speaker 1: other and decided that Godzilla would go back to the sea.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, but I just I
Speaker 1: guess when you say someone versus someone, there should be
Speaker 1: a winner. And you know, I mean, shouldn't we as
Speaker 1: an audience be trained around the idea that there will
Speaker 1: be not like you're not gonna kill or those are
Speaker 1: two icons. Yeah, they can't die. No, No, I agree
Speaker 1: with you, and I feel like, you know, I'm being
Speaker 1: a little facetious here. I really want them both to live.
Speaker 1: I love both the girls. I love both of the girls,
Speaker 1: both the girls. They represent so much. It would be
Speaker 1: like it would be like at the end of the podcast,
Speaker 1: if one of one of us had to die, were
Speaker 1: two icons on their left, we have to both live,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Well that as a as
Speaker 1: a reader, that's how we feel when you guys talk
Speaker 1: about the suicide pact, that you've created, the Megan McCain's
Speaker 1: suicide pact. Okay, we don't want to lose you. I
Speaker 1: really don't think she's coming on, so okay, I think
Speaker 1: I think that she is. Things have happened this year,
Speaker 1: Are things have happened? No, I don't think. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's in the cards. Wait, Clark, can I ask
Speaker 1: you another frivolous question, even to undercut how perfectly put
Speaker 1: you just just just just what you found so beautiful
Speaker 1: about this film where you stoned when you watched it?
Speaker 1: I was not okay, it was ride. At the time,
Speaker 1: I was not a pound of edibles. If I was.
Speaker 1: If I was stoned, I probably would have laughed a
Speaker 1: lot more. I probably would have liked, huh, gone on
Speaker 1: a ride with the visual experience. But because I was,
Speaker 1: because I was sober, actually not only did I cry more,
Speaker 1: but but in the context of Biden presenting his infrastructure plan,
Speaker 1: the only thing I could think about was as Godzilla
Speaker 1: is destroying Hong Kong. Okay, that's a billion dollars. There's
Speaker 1: two and a half billions. Where are we getting the
Speaker 1: budget to rebuild Hong Kong? And if you're taxing my ass,
Speaker 1: which I'm okay with, I don't want my money going
Speaker 1: towards a pothole in a white neighborhood. I want that.
Speaker 1: Come on, okay, tax them there ancient? What kind of
Speaker 1: generational wealth have they developed? Exactly exactly have you been
Speaker 1: watching the race girls? Wow? He said, I watched everything
Speaker 1: and he's not watching the race. Here's the veil for me,
Speaker 1: I have not watched. I stopped watching reality television a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. And this is actually something I know.
Speaker 1: I really want to know this, but I I want
Speaker 1: to hear why. So it was and you know what's
Speaker 1: so funny, It was Potomac for me that really made
Speaker 1: me sort of go over the edge. And two years ago, yes,
Speaker 1: I want to say it was whenever the narrative about
Speaker 1: Robin and the house and the divorce and not having
Speaker 1: any money, and you know, like I don't know, I
Speaker 1: can't speak to their narratives now, but got worse. So
Speaker 1: this is the thing that I have always found so strange,
Speaker 1: and Potomac I think was what lifted the veil for
Speaker 1: all the other uh you know girls in the franchise.
Speaker 1: For me, um, I thought it was supposed to be
Speaker 1: about aspirational wealth, and I thought it was supposed to
Speaker 1: be about people who had a certain amount of money
Speaker 1: that either we never would have and or like, isn't
Speaker 1: it great to see them fail socially because they have
Speaker 1: money that we're jealous of, you know, or like, isn't
Speaker 1: it great to see people fight because that's the only
Speaker 1: way that I can make sense of the fact that
Speaker 1: they have, you know, this conspicuous consumption that we're watching
Speaker 1: on television. But then with Potomac, it was like, all
Speaker 1: these girls are broke, and so I'm like, okay, wait
Speaker 1: are these are these women on the show? And then
Speaker 1: also with all the other places, you start to see
Speaker 1: how they become dependent on the income in order to
Speaker 1: maintain the lifestyle. They go in and they have some
Speaker 1: amount of wealth that they have accumulated or whatever. And
Speaker 1: now though now they have to make their one million
Speaker 1: a year on real house Eyes of Atlanta or there,
Speaker 1: however many hundreds of thousands a year on whatever other thing.
Speaker 1: And so many of them start there with the hopes
Speaker 1: of going somewhere else. I think of a person like Nani,
Speaker 1: and then that doesn't necessarily pan out in the traditional sense,
Speaker 1: and so then they have to come back anyway. All
Speaker 1: this to say, and this is what I'm really curious
Speaker 1: y'all's thoughts are. I've started to feel complicit in really
Speaker 1: the destruction of these women's lives because the drama is
Speaker 1: contrived but real, the divorces are real, the estrangement from
Speaker 1: their children is real. You know, and then like the
Speaker 1: dependency on this, you know, it's this negative feedback loop
Speaker 1: that they've sort of seemed to get gotten trapped in.
Speaker 1: That makes that makes complete sense to me. I see,
Speaker 1: Like what you're sort of disillusioned by is that this
Speaker 1: seems like a codependent thing where it's the network or
Speaker 1: it's UM, it's or it's or whatever. It's the network
Speaker 1: depending on the housewives as talent, and then the housewives
Speaker 1: depending on the network is a source of income when
Speaker 1: it's really a one way exploitation. UM, and that problem
Speaker 1: that might have opened your eyes to all the reality
Speaker 1: TV or most reality TV, which is also exploitative in
Speaker 1: that same way, you know, any day fiances your UM.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just like I feel like that that
Speaker 1: is the prime example, not the prime example, like your hoarders.
Speaker 1: You're like that kind of thing. Yeah, six pound life.
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's interesting, Like what I like
Speaker 1: about the Housewives is um the sort of ways in
Speaker 1: which people really say what they feel and I actually
Speaker 1: has I think, and this is maybe a reach for
Speaker 1: me to say, but it may they have improved how
Speaker 1: I deal with conflict in my life because I'm less
Speaker 1: afraid of what's going to happen if I say what
Speaker 1: I really think to someone and say, what's bothering me?
Speaker 1: But maybe because I've seen it display so many times
Speaker 1: in such bad ways on these shows, but also in
Speaker 1: such productive ways. But in terms of your thing about um,
Speaker 1: like it feels like it's not like a symbiotic relationship,
Speaker 1: like it's them taking taking taking. I think it depends
Speaker 1: who you are. I think if you are someone like
Speaker 1: let's say Jen Shaw on The Real Housewives of Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City, and you know you are a criminal, and
Speaker 1: you know you've stolen millions from hundreds of people, working
Speaker 1: class people, then I don't think you go on a
Speaker 1: reality show because yes, your life is going to be destroyed.
Speaker 1: I think if you're someone like Erica Jane and you
Speaker 1: know more than you say about what your husband has done,
Speaker 1: maybe don't go on the reality show. If she truly
Speaker 1: didn't know anything and she thought this is gonna be
Speaker 1: a way to connect myself with a new audience, and
Speaker 1: you know, I have a music career that I want
Speaker 1: more people to know about, then maybe that's why she
Speaker 1: did it. But I think it's like any person can
Speaker 1: go out in the world and going out in the
Speaker 1: world can go well for you or go badly for you.
Speaker 1: So I think that these people, whether they're delusional or not,
Speaker 1: they sign up for this opportunity knowing that it can
Speaker 1: go well for them or badly for them. I just
Speaker 1: think not enough people are realistic enough about how it's
Speaker 1: gonna go for them. But that's what makes them really
Speaker 1: good reality stars. And I do think it's fun to watch.
Speaker 1: And I like you're saying, because they all do have
Speaker 1: this like wealth they can fall back on. I don't
Speaker 1: really feel bad if someone's daughter is mad at them
Speaker 1: because they said that the daughter didn't look good in
Speaker 1: clothes when they went to the reality show and paraded
Speaker 1: this opinion about like it's it's it's to me. It's
Speaker 1: like it's like a study in like Hubris lack thereof.
Speaker 1: I think it's some says something really crazy about America,
Speaker 1: which I really like watching. I think it's also a
Speaker 1: response to um. The reality shows like that were sort
Speaker 1: of around and like the early aughts that were all
Speaker 1: about aspirational wealth, like it felt like, you know, the
Speaker 1: fabulous life, and like everything was about these rich, rich,
Speaker 1: rich people and these shows really bringing them down to earth.
Speaker 1: And I feel like watching that happen is cathartic a
Speaker 1: little bit. Um that being said, I also I know
Speaker 1: that a little bit of what I'm saying it was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's still good. I'm fine, And what you're saying is right.
Speaker 1: It's why I avoided it for so long. That's why
Speaker 1: I never got into it for so long as I
Speaker 1: was like you, the last thing you could get me
Speaker 1: to watch is The Housewives, right then, I actually think
Speaker 1: it's some of the better reality TV that's out there,
Speaker 1: to be honest, but do you feel like Clark, that
Speaker 1: there's a reality TV shaped hole in your consumption or
Speaker 1: you just like, no, I'm good, Like there's plenty of
Speaker 1: stuff to watch. Well, it's the it's that it's also
Speaker 1: appaired with the time. Uh, you know, you have so
Speaker 1: many scripted series now and you couldn't possibly watch everything. Um,
Speaker 1: So I don't feel I do sometimes feel um, I
Speaker 1: do sometimes feel out of the conversation, and so in
Speaker 1: those times I'll try to like, like I did watch Um,
Speaker 1: I guess it's more of a documenteries. But I did
Speaker 1: watch Tiger King, which was a docuseries. The biggest compliment ever,
Speaker 1: But that's similarly I felt so like dirty watching that,
Speaker 1: and so like, oh, I will say, I did watch,
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed selling Sunset. And the reason I
Speaker 1: did was because I was loving your your episodes about it,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't. I just like, I don't get it,
Speaker 1: but I want to engage in this conversation, so I
Speaker 1: will sometimes um dive in, but usually I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to create some distance. Sure, and for selling Sunset, there
Speaker 1: is some not exception to to to to to this
Speaker 1: um this idea around reality UM that that you're sort
Speaker 1: of that I think you're sort of holding in a
Speaker 1: very nuanced understanding way, but it's that you're they don't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel it doesn't feel like these people are
Speaker 1: being exploited, with the exception of like what's her face,
Speaker 1: Davina right, especially knowing the context of Adam what is
Speaker 1: his name, Adam de Villo, Adam the Hills, the Hills guy, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he did the Hills and Laguna, and so knowing I
Speaker 1: guess this is also sort of part of what I'm
Speaker 1: saying about reality television in general, is like being at
Speaker 1: a point now where every class of person, not socio
Speaker 1: economic class, but every like new class of Housewives or
Speaker 1: you know TV show whatever. These are all people who
Speaker 1: have all watched some version of reality television. We're not
Speaker 1: getting people who have no idea. We're not getting what
Speaker 1: was her name on season one of Real Housewives of Atlanta. Um,
Speaker 1: she only lasted one season and she was so sweet.
Speaker 1: Not Deshaun, Maybe it was Deshaun And she wrote like
Speaker 1: a fifteen thousand dollar um tithing check in her megachurch
Speaker 1: on like the second episode of the show. You know,
Speaker 1: you're not getting people who have no idea what they're
Speaker 1: getting into anymore. You're getting people like Divina exactly, who
Speaker 1: are going onto this with some like wacko idea of
Speaker 1: like this is how I'm going to create my narrative
Speaker 1: on this show when she tried to sell I hope
Speaker 1: we can continue to follow that narrative. And also, in
Speaker 1: a way, you have seen drag because you've seen Christine
Speaker 1: in the sunset, so your drag race quote is sort
Speaker 1: of filled there. Um it maybe time now, as we wait,
Speaker 1: I'm in the drag race canon. I don't know how
Speaker 1: I haven't mentioned this, do you know this? Wait? So
Speaker 1: Alex my one of my best friends, Alex Knewell my
Speaker 1: good Judy. Yes, was on uh celebrity Yes, yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: of course of course and that was the roast episode. Yes,
Speaker 1: and there's oh was it? I? Actually it was Alex
Speaker 1: and two other people competing for money for charity, and
Speaker 1: Alex got Bob the drag queen um as a mentor,
Speaker 1: and they were all they all had like once they
Speaker 1: got into drag they had to show their friends and
Speaker 1: family and whatever. And so I am on Alex's iPhone.
Speaker 1: My Chiron was Alex's friend, and my IMDb credits I
Speaker 1: don't know, put thank you and yeah, there I am
Speaker 1: on Alex's not himself, not self, Alex's friend, exactly, very distinguished,
Speaker 1: very we're playing the role. I was playing the role. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we must know the answer that you have to our
Speaker 1: question that we ask every single guest. And it's just
Speaker 1: truly the moment, which is Clark, what was the culture
Speaker 1: that made you say? Culture was for you? This is
Speaker 1: so hard to answer, And of course I've thought about
Speaker 1: it at length. I think about it every single episode
Speaker 1: and it gives me a little bit of an anxiety
Speaker 1: attack because I'm like, what am I going to say? Um?
Speaker 1: The reason why it's hard for me to to answer, though,
Speaker 1: is because I a theme that I've sensed in a
Speaker 1: number of your guests is certainly as they've become performers
Speaker 1: or like known performers, there is a shift where they
Speaker 1: feel like it's something they do alone, privately for themselves
Speaker 1: at home, in their community theater or whatever, to like, oh,
Speaker 1: now I'm going to do this on a bigger stage.
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this on in TV and film,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this on Broadway. But for me, I
Speaker 1: just covered performance as a child actor, like so immediately,
Speaker 1: like my earliest memories of you know, theater or auditioning
Speaker 1: are also some of my earliest conscious memories. So I
Speaker 1: never felt separate from culture. I had the opposite. I
Speaker 1: was just waiting for the phone to ring for me
Speaker 1: to go be in a movie. You know. I was
Speaker 1: always like I had that delusion from day one. But
Speaker 1: I will say I coned through the memories and I
Speaker 1: did pick one. That is, it wasn't necessarily the only moment,
Speaker 1: but it was one of many, and it's curated specifically
Speaker 1: for the girls here. So Curation Station, You're welcome. I
Speaker 1: in elementary school, I like everyone here. I loved the
Speaker 1: Spice girls. They were my everything. They were my all.
Speaker 1: It sounds insane to say this because it really makes
Speaker 1: me feel a hundred years old, but I had there.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the album was called, but I
Speaker 1: had it on a a track I had on a tape, Spice, Spice.
Speaker 1: It was white with the colors yeah, in the letters,
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And I loved it so much that
Speaker 1: I actually had a little I guess you could call
Speaker 1: it a cover band, and we would. We were called
Speaker 1: the Spice Kids, and we were for Spice Girls tracks
Speaker 1: exclusively on the wood ships during recess so on like
Speaker 1: the you know, and the moment, the specific moment where
Speaker 1: I was like started to see the pieces come together.
Speaker 1: You know. It's that meme where like Cira Cedric is
Speaker 1: looking around or whoever it is looking around and all
Speaker 1: the numbers are flying around their heads. Yes, yes she does.
Speaker 1: We call her numbers numbers. It's rule of culture number
Speaker 1: number um. And I was I was seeing sort of
Speaker 1: like the behind the scenes. So they have this performance.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the song Naked we talk Istanbul where
Speaker 1: they they're nude behind the chairs, behind the chairs chairs. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is one of the most psychonic moments in culture.
Speaker 1: It's it's actually a very very formative And is this
Speaker 1: on the list? I don't think that's not on the list.
Speaker 1: But have to do in the Vice world. The album
Speaker 1: in the film is in the top fifty. Yes. And
Speaker 1: so they the lights are out, you see nothing. You
Speaker 1: see the silhouettes of these women who we love come out,
Speaker 1: and you see that there's something going on, but you
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. They sit behind the chairs.
Speaker 1: The lights come up, they dropped the towels and they're
Speaker 1: quote unquote naked behind the chairs that they're sitting in backwards. Okay.
Speaker 1: The reason why I say this is the moment that
Speaker 1: I knew culture was for me is because even as
Speaker 1: a six year old, when I was watching that, I
Speaker 1: immediately was like, Okay, I know they're not naked because
Speaker 1: it would be illegal, it would be lude, it would
Speaker 1: be right, so they would crude and rude, right, So
Speaker 1: they have to have something going on there. There's some
Speaker 1: sort of production element here and there. They have successfully
Speaker 1: created the illusion, right, and that's what it all is. Right.
Speaker 1: That's as as any actors, you know, you know that
Speaker 1: you're creating an illusion that is experienced in the viewer.
Speaker 1: It's not real, it's it's this magic trick and I
Speaker 1: this is actually why my cover band became banned be
Speaker 1: A in an E D. So I well know, because
Speaker 1: I was like, we can't. But I attempted to recreate
Speaker 1: that moment on the wood Chips with my chips. Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Title of app co star, my second lead
Speaker 1: vocalist and third lead vocalist. Yes, there are only three
Speaker 1: of us in the Spice kids, um, and I kept
Speaker 1: trying to. I just remember being six or seven years
Speaker 1: old and thinking like, Okay, it's about a thirty second
Speaker 1: walk from the closest bathroom to our stage, So how
Speaker 1: are we going to get there without revealing we don't
Speaker 1: have you know, we don't have a backstage. We don't
Speaker 1: have it's all open it's all open air. And also
Speaker 1: this is a we're in in the round, So how
Speaker 1: are we going to create the illusion of nudity for
Speaker 1: the people behind us as well as the people beside
Speaker 1: and in front of you? Just can't do it, and
Speaker 1: I try. I enlisted the help of the teachers because
Speaker 1: I was like, how do I figure out this moment?
Speaker 1: And You're like how do you were like a young child,
Speaker 1: You're like, how do I do a new delusion in
Speaker 1: the round. The adults a new delusion was how do
Speaker 1: I how do I figure this out? And they were like, Okay, honey,
Speaker 1: I think you've taken this a little too far. We're
Speaker 1: going to have to stop. Um, we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: ask you. Also, you know, she said to me, a
Speaker 1: number of the other students are jealous because they aren't
Speaker 1: in the band, and um, you know, there's sort of
Speaker 1: an exclusivity thing happening here. So we're gonna have to
Speaker 1: It's been a great run, but we're gonna have to end.
Speaker 1: The Spice kids. Well, okay, so were you silent or
Speaker 1: silenced for the ladder? Oh my god? Wait, And I
Speaker 1: should also round out the story. I don't the other
Speaker 1: two girls. I don't remember one of them, which I
Speaker 1: feel so bad. It's such a Michelle Williams situation. But
Speaker 1: my second lead vocalist was actually a woman by the
Speaker 1: name of now my name is Dr Alicia Kramer, and
Speaker 1: she is mayor to U S. Senator John Assaf. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, so let me Georgia. He could put it down.
Speaker 1: I knew it from the second I saw him. I
Speaker 1: was like, he could put it down. I know it.
Speaker 1: I know he gets real sweet and sensitive. And I
Speaker 1: bet he's married to former Spice Kid who now goes
Speaker 1: by the name dr. Now what what? So basically you
Speaker 1: had three girls and the Spice Kids. You understand there's
Speaker 1: famously five. So did you have identities similar to famously?
Speaker 1: The Spice Girls were sort of you understand, baby, posh, sporty,
Speaker 1: scary and ginger. Explain that we did so the way
Speaker 1: that I worked around it, because you have to understand
Speaker 1: Matt and bowhen not everyone was talented enough to be
Speaker 1: in the Spice Kids and the whole week. Actually, this
Speaker 1: is why we had to cap it at three because
Speaker 1: there wasn't you know, we weren't going to dull ourselves
Speaker 1: water it down to have her fourth and a fifth
Speaker 1: just to be you know, true too, true to the original.
Speaker 1: That's why you caught LaToya and LaTavia. Okay, I wasn't
Speaker 1: gonna say it, but anti reclusion icon clarkmore exclusive from
Speaker 1: the beginning. So I said to the girls, I said
Speaker 1: we can, I said, so, I said to the girls,
Speaker 1: and I said, we can do whatever you want. You know,
Speaker 1: if you want to have a name, if you want
Speaker 1: to pick a name, you can combine a name, I
Speaker 1: will allow y'all to choose. The only thing that I
Speaker 1: know for sure is that I am baby, and so
Speaker 1: I went by baby boy. I didn't go by a
Speaker 1: baby spice. I went by baby baby boy, baby boy.
Speaker 1: And then I don't remember what the other girls chose,
Speaker 1: but I specifically remember baby boy. And I remember having
Speaker 1: a little lollipop like Emma and being a little cheeky
Speaker 1: six year old. Now here's the deal. I think as adults,
Speaker 1: we can all say, like, I identify with a certain
Speaker 1: Spice girl. Now like I I I genuinely identify on
Speaker 1: this day, of all days in my life with like
Speaker 1: more of a scary spice energy. I identify with more
Speaker 1: of a sort of ginger spice rising. And I think
Speaker 1: that posh lives inside me. But there's something about being
Speaker 1: a kid, like I don't think there were a lot
Speaker 1: of kids looking at the Spice girls and not saying
Speaker 1: I'm baby baby was everyone wanted to be a baby. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's why I had to claim it, Okay, and not
Speaker 1: not not to keep digging into this bit, but you
Speaker 1: are gate keeping girl bossing the house down. No, I
Speaker 1: love this girl bossing. Another front runner for title event
Speaker 1: so shocking to have three. Wow. So then who were
Speaker 1: Alicia and the other one? What were their identities? Doctor
Speaker 1: Dr Alicia fool. I want to say Dr Kramer was sporty,
Speaker 1: because she was always very athletic, and I do, I
Speaker 1: do vaguely remember that. And I can't, for the life
Speaker 1: of me remember that third girl. Oh my god, watch
Speaker 1: their like Elizabeth Olsen or something. Yeah, a superstar. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy that that she went on to real
Speaker 1: John aus Off marrying and doctor success. She did, I
Speaker 1: and also John he because then from elementary school we
Speaker 1: all continued through the same We switched from that elementary
Speaker 1: school to a different one, and then all went to
Speaker 1: junior high and high school together. I don't mean to
Speaker 1: put the senator's business out in the streets, but no,
Speaker 1: do it. We've all seen those all musical theater videosm
Speaker 1: not much left to hide after that. Dr Kramer and
Speaker 1: I actually were first and second chair cello cello in
Speaker 1: the orchestra together while their romance was beginning, and so
Speaker 1: literally while we were like playing cello together, I was
Speaker 1: getting the tea about this hot upper classman that she
Speaker 1: was dating and who was named Jonathan at the time,
Speaker 1: and he always sort of had like a senatorial air
Speaker 1: to him, you know, he was always very and then
Speaker 1: he went off to Um he's actually connected to my
Speaker 1: my professional trajectory weirdly, and that he went off to
Speaker 1: Georgetown and was in an acapella group there, the Georgetown Chimes,
Speaker 1: and you were acapella boy and at Dartmouth. At Dartmouth
Speaker 1: because I was I decided to go into acapella. I
Speaker 1: kind of probably was always going to do acapella. I've
Speaker 1: always had acapella energy. But part of the reason why
Speaker 1: I decided to do it is because he brought the
Speaker 1: Chimes back to Atlanta to our school, Paideia, and they
Speaker 1: taught us all these songs. So I randomly know all
Speaker 1: these Georgetown fight songs, Um my God. And then I
Speaker 1: decided to go off to Dartmouth and join the Dartmouth
Speaker 1: Airs and then the Airs, bringing it all the way
Speaker 1: back around to reality television show. We competed on the
Speaker 1: sing off Oh my God, you did not We were
Speaker 1: runners up to pentaton What I forget? That's where Pedatonics comes.
Speaker 1: And so that was my like introduction to Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: It was my first time working on a lot we
Speaker 1: shot on the Sony lot right down the street in
Speaker 1: Culver City, and it was Yeah. So then I guess
Speaker 1: I owe the Senator in my career. Wait, this is
Speaker 1: a wild little that is connect. Isn't that great? That's great?
Speaker 1: But I have one thing. You were about to say
Speaker 1: something about Elizabeth Olson. I thought when you said Elizabeth Olson,
Speaker 1: I thought you meant Elizabeth Holmes. And so I was
Speaker 1: about to make a joke that she went off to
Speaker 1: commit fraud. And that's why I was distancing myself from
Speaker 1: her because of that. They because of the of course,
Speaker 1: of course, um, I think we still have to talk
Speaker 1: about spice girls for a second. I think there's endless
Speaker 1: there's endless conversations to be had about the impact. Were
Speaker 1: we kids? Where we all kids who like red liner notes?
Speaker 1: I like nothing had like captured me in such a way. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I want to say, Clark, I watched
Speaker 1: the naked performance as a child around that same age,
Speaker 1: and I was I was not showbiz savvy enough to
Speaker 1: be like that's fake. I was like, they're actually naked.
Speaker 1: The boobs, their boobs are, their breasts are touching the chair.
Speaker 1: They were certainly in a believable state of undressed by one.
Speaker 1: I would not shame yourself for that one. There was
Speaker 1: movie magic happening, and the movie magic is some of
Speaker 1: the most powerful magic. It's it's chaos. It's chaos magic
Speaker 1: one chaos true that makes you which or the Ginger
Speaker 1: spice if you understand sort of comparison Ginger is Wanda.
Speaker 1: Was she the leader? Was she the leader? Let's just
Speaker 1: let's decide it? And did they end after she left?
Speaker 1: It was that it was really that was breaking first
Speaker 1: sort of understanding of mortality in a way or or
Speaker 1: something being finite. Yes, exactly. The good times don't last forever.
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't, they really don't. It felt like
Speaker 1: it would. And also the fact that it was a
Speaker 1: choice and such a conscious choice made me feel a
Speaker 1: little bit betrayed, you know. And that was sort of
Speaker 1: my um introduction to heartbreak in a way. Absolutely, I
Speaker 1: I that actually tracks so so neatly. I was heartbroken, heartbroken,
Speaker 1: not easy. And it really was this thing of like
Speaker 1: when like you know, goodbye or forever came out, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is this is my first real
Speaker 1: understanding up close of what like thinking like, no, it's
Speaker 1: not the same it's not the same. Something is lost,
Speaker 1: something is lost here. And to answer Math's question, was
Speaker 1: Ginger the leader? I don't think she was. My My
Speaker 1: relationship at the time with the Spicycles was that it's beautiful,
Speaker 1: it's a group, it's girl power. It's all five of
Speaker 1: them being on the same level, same footing, not vocally even,
Speaker 1: but somehow they're each essential. And it kind of still
Speaker 1: affirms the fact that once Ginger left, it still didn't
Speaker 1: hold up. You know, it's it's exactly what you're saying.
Speaker 1: It's like because there wasn't a leader, and like it
Speaker 1: felt like a limb was missing and the thing could
Speaker 1: not perform at the same poin like that it was
Speaker 1: just all about the five of them member that when
Speaker 1: they were saying feminism before everyone else, like in a
Speaker 1: mainstream why like and that was her, that was like
Speaker 1: her thing. She was the worry of the union, Jack,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like she was so much
Speaker 1: of the visual identity of the group that for her
Speaker 1: to leave. I think that's why I asked was she
Speaker 1: the leader? Because she is so strongly identifiable, like the
Speaker 1: why she sang that was Reale sangang you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? With my nose went on. But you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like she was, Yeah, she was so
Speaker 1: visually and sonically what that group was. That's why I
Speaker 1: think she gets confused as being the leader sometime. She
Speaker 1: was just so much a part of it as anyone else.
Speaker 1: There's a really great video on YouTube. I want to say.
Speaker 1: It's a Vogue interview with Jerry where she's slipping through
Speaker 1: her looks yes, yes, and she talks about the dress.
Speaker 1: She talks about the creation of the Union Jack dress
Speaker 1: and basically how it was an accident and sort of
Speaker 1: puts interesting context to what was obviously an insane I mean,
Speaker 1: it was only a year. It was only right, like
Speaker 1: one year maybe almost two was the entire experience of
Speaker 1: this Spice girls, like two or three nine. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was hard and fast, it was, and that in looking
Speaker 1: back on that especially, you know, time obviously was processed
Speaker 1: differently by us than being six and seven, um, than now.
Speaker 1: But it felt like forever. It did not feel like
Speaker 1: one year. It felt like ten. I just think about like,
Speaker 1: especially in the context of like saying culture is for me,
Speaker 1: or wanting to be a contributor to it or being
Speaker 1: a part of it. It speaks to the overwhelming element
Speaker 1: of a public life, of fame of any kind, of
Speaker 1: notoriety of any kind. And how do you how do
Speaker 1: you surf the wave when it's a tsunami? You know?
Speaker 1: And yet they were pulling out every single moment in
Speaker 1: that full year and a half two years was and
Speaker 1: I hate to use this word because it's so overused,
Speaker 1: but it was an iconic moment. The dress, the shoes,
Speaker 1: the hair looks, the songs, the movie Ubiquity, the album
Speaker 1: that they recorded while they were shooting the movie, you know,
Speaker 1: like it was just and to quote the Iceberg, um,
Speaker 1: what was it, twelve songs, no skips, was a banger.
Speaker 1: Everything they released was amazing and upon a man, not
Speaker 1: a bull. And then the iconic fun said do what
Speaker 1: I know? You guys, if you saw me, you would
Speaker 1: understand it was gorgeous. But you're right, Clark, mother just
Speaker 1: gave me a dirty look. They achieved a kind of
Speaker 1: fame that distorted time because we brought up the same
Speaker 1: idea when we talked about Brittany after after after the
Speaker 1: Brittany dot came out. But Brittany's whole ascension was like
Speaker 1: in like a three or four year span too, not
Speaker 1: three or four years, but like up until like Blackout,
Speaker 1: when things just sort of like reached a hilt. It
Speaker 1: was like what or two six four or five six seven.
Speaker 1: I can't even do the math right now, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying a short amount of time. She had
Speaker 1: been around for like six years, and then she needed
Speaker 1: like a major reinvention. Like in the Zone was like
Speaker 1: what I think they would consider it a major reinvention
Speaker 1: for her, Like because she did the first three albums,
Speaker 1: it was like maybe a one more time, oops, I
Speaker 1: did it again, Brittany. But she had those three albums
Speaker 1: and then she needed to go away for like what
Speaker 1: was an unheard of at the time, like eight months
Speaker 1: to go prepare a different identity. And it was in
Speaker 1: the Zone, which I which which then came out and
Speaker 1: like was like a major change for her. But that
Speaker 1: the fact that that needed to happen because she it
Speaker 1: was so much in succession. Yeah, it's like that ubiquity
Speaker 1: we were talking about. But for the Spice Girls, it
Speaker 1: was like it felt like a full textured career only
Speaker 1: lasted to three years. Yes, insane and also at the
Speaker 1: time it being like again like we talked about like
Speaker 1: they were truly famous. Everyone knew who they were, and
Speaker 1: nowadays it's like, you know, people are upset that this
Speaker 1: is like happening now with Little Mix. Like Little Mix,
Speaker 1: their fame has been spread out for literally ten years.
Speaker 1: They've they've they've it's been like a decade since they
Speaker 1: did The X Factor in the UK. Yeah, they're a
Speaker 1: huge band, but they actually stuck around for way longer,
Speaker 1: and like they're the most quote unquote successful girl group
Speaker 1: in the world, like and guaranteed, Like I would go
Speaker 1: as far as say, seven out of ten people in
Speaker 1: America might not even know who they are. Whereas the
Speaker 1: Spice Girls, it was like if you didn't know who
Speaker 1: they were, you must have been dead darling. They were
Speaker 1: compared to. I mean, they're disdainfully so, because you know,
Speaker 1: the Beatles whole are such health in high regard, but
Speaker 1: but they were heard to that level of fame and
Speaker 1: that sort of insanity. Um. I also we were also
Speaker 1: the target demographic for it, But but it did seem
Speaker 1: like beyond that there were people who at least were
Speaker 1: aware you couldn't escape it. They were everywhere, right, favorite
Speaker 1: Spice Girls song I was going to say, rank them,
Speaker 1: rank the songs. Rank the girls, Rank the girls. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can rank the girls. I can't rank
Speaker 1: the songs. Well, I will give us rank the girls first,
Speaker 1: and then top three, Top three songs. Number one is,
Speaker 1: of course Baby, because of and because I will always
Speaker 1: have a you know, she started my career. I owe
Speaker 1: my career to her. She really Baby Spice and John also, um,
Speaker 1: and I guess Scary, I will say, you know, in
Speaker 1: the context of identity and race, some of the things
Speaker 1: that I talked about in my podcast, I did have
Speaker 1: a little bit of the like, you're the black person,
Speaker 1: so you have to be scary, of course, and so
Speaker 1: I sort of brushed up against that a lot when
Speaker 1: I was younger, and I think I overcorrected when I
Speaker 1: was younger in not wanting to identify with scary only
Speaker 1: because of our race. But I think now she is
Speaker 1: definitely up there. Of course, Jerry. I think right in
Speaker 1: the middle, Jerry, And that's bold. Posh, uh, yeah, right
Speaker 1: after miss Beckham, who I have a screenshot of. I
Speaker 1: have a screenshot of David Beckham's Instagram story when he
Speaker 1: and presumably Posh watched Love Simon together in their screening
Speaker 1: room in their house. I loved love Simon. I thought
Speaker 1: it was an amazing I loved Athan so much. He
Speaker 1: was a great character that I lost that and cried
Speaker 1: at with my beautiful children after my husband and I
Speaker 1: had sex all night. I never sleep. And then you're
Speaker 1: gonna rate Sporty last look like it? Okay? Interesting? Interesting, alright?
Speaker 1: Now the vocals just don't matter to the vocals, don't
Speaker 1: It was more that like her, you know, they all
Speaker 1: had a stick, and her stick wasn't as um you
Speaker 1: know it was. I was sort of like you, girl,
Speaker 1: you're gonna wear sweatpants on stage? Yeah, that's your look.
Speaker 1: Your look is gonna be track suit. She was coming
Speaker 1: for the tomboys, and there's there's not a tomboy here.
Speaker 1: She's very ahead of her time exactly. And that's the
Speaker 1: great thing about them is that they spoke to everyone.
Speaker 1: I'm not in that demographic, but there were plenty of
Speaker 1: people in Sportings demographic, of course. Okay, So that now
Speaker 1: three tracks that you find to be the most essential
Speaker 1: Spice Girls songs. I think I have them. So do
Speaker 1: y'all want to go? Do you want me to go first? I?
Speaker 1: I can go first. I can go first. Um, I
Speaker 1: want to be obviously, Um, I gotta have it. And
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna say, um said to his favorite, why
Speaker 1: why am I forgetting the sun to become one? I
Speaker 1: want to be to become one, And I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: who do you think you are? Those are the three? Wow? Okay?
Speaker 1: I would I would say want to be and to
Speaker 1: become one, and I would remove who do you think
Speaker 1: you are? And I would put it in spice up
Speaker 1: your life because I just get so hype when the
Speaker 1: when the drums start at the beginning of the and
Speaker 1: speaking of culture, when they were surfing black cabs at Olympics, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that was iconic and all five came back. It was
Speaker 1: Catharsis for everyone to see the all five of them
Speaker 1: back because it was the last goddamn time. Because Victoria
Speaker 1: is too busy slang it in the fashion world. Have
Speaker 1: you seen her volus seventy three questions? It's a muscle,
Speaker 1: it's comedy, it's comedy, it's her summer dress. She said,
Speaker 1: I'm tendling scary and my sum address a perfect sum address.
Speaker 1: Said that on her Instagram the other day. It was
Speaker 1: very cute. You can buy the dress, They asked her
Speaker 1: if she wants to act, and she goes, um, what
Speaker 1: does she say? She says, um, I started in Spice
Speaker 1: world and I'm still waiting for my outstanding achievement a world.
Speaker 1: And then they asked like, what chat what what disease
Speaker 1: would you get rid of right now if you could?
Speaker 1: And she just without missing a beat, goes but just
Speaker 1: the force with what she says, the conviction with what
Speaker 1: she says amazing. And she also there's a moment where
Speaker 1: she she goes, um, They're like, why don't you ever smile?
Speaker 1: And she goes, I just tell people I'm smiling on
Speaker 1: the inside. Icon icon It's time. It's time for your
Speaker 1: three Spice girls. We gave you a breath. So number
Speaker 1: one for me is to become one. And the reason
Speaker 1: why is it's actually connected with a power move that
Speaker 1: I like to employ as a guest at a wedding.
Speaker 1: I always sing at weddings, oist specifically when I've not
Speaker 1: when I've either not been asked or expressly asked not
Speaker 1: to sing. Wow, you're basic. You're you're the guy with
Speaker 1: the guitar, but you don't have the guitar exactly. And
Speaker 1: what I do is I've locate let me tell you
Speaker 1: anyone who wants to do this, I locate the queen
Speaker 1: with the headset, because that's the wedding planner, as we
Speaker 1: learned from you know, the wedding planner, sorry, Jennifer Lopez.
Speaker 1: And I sidle up and I do my little gay
Speaker 1: best friend. Hey girl, you know Dan, I'm like, I
Speaker 1: so my gift to the bride and the groom. They
Speaker 1: don't know of this. It's a secret. It's a surprise.
Speaker 1: Can you help me? I enlist her, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And then I sort of like find my way to
Speaker 1: the band. I find my way to whatever. And then
Speaker 1: ideally they have no idea what's coming. The music starts
Speaker 1: and then boom there I am. I sing to become one.
Speaker 1: It's so forever. Let me say you believe it's a
Speaker 1: beautiful song. It's a beautiful song. We sang it. We
Speaker 1: sang it with Catherine and Pat at Seek Treatment Live.
Speaker 1: We sang it too bad? Which lyrics? Did you do? Um?
Speaker 1: Did you do? And I were singing and Pat and
Speaker 1: Cat were dancing. We like to sing the same thing
Speaker 1: at the same time. No, but but we split up
Speaker 1: the verse. Did you do mean specifically? I mean specifically um,
Speaker 1: did you do boys and girls look good together? Or
Speaker 1: love will lead us back to get together? I think
Speaker 1: we did together. Okay, there's a fault inclusive lyric there
Speaker 1: that you can do love that they that they did
Speaker 1: that over time. But I think we did the text
Speaker 1: as written. I mean, we love the call to condom
Speaker 1: use in that song be a little bit wiser, Baby
Speaker 1: put it on, Put it on. That was maybe I
Speaker 1: think Baby's most iconic moment when she would sing the
Speaker 1: pre choruses and so yeah. But that that music video
Speaker 1: is New York culture because it was. It wasn't the
Speaker 1: first time I was like seeing like besides like troll
Speaker 1: and Central Park or whatever, um it was, it was
Speaker 1: like these beautiful shots of Times Square and the Twin
Speaker 1: Towers and like the Brooklyn I was like, this is
Speaker 1: I was like whatever, Like that place seems like the
Speaker 1: most beautiful place in the world. And it made me
Speaker 1: like and it and it is really honey New York.
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra, eat your heart out. The quintessential New York
Speaker 1: musical moment is to become fucking posh spice. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's post or scary, but by the courthouse,
Speaker 1: just like city not even city Hall, the courthouse. At
Speaker 1: the Courthouse honestly a very good video. They had good
Speaker 1: videos to videos. Great, what's what's the sale be there?
Speaker 1: That was like pretty iconic because the Wannabe was like
Speaker 1: as a as a music video, it is iconic, but
Speaker 1: you can tell what this is when they had no budget,
Speaker 1: and then after that sound was a huge smash, Like
Speaker 1: then they got a budget and we're gonna go to
Speaker 1: the desert. They say they were going to say, we
Speaker 1: could pay for a truck now to take the girls
Speaker 1: out to the desert. We can pay for a twelve
Speaker 1: pack of water bottles for the girls. We got a
Speaker 1: water budget. We got a water budget. So then number
Speaker 1: two close upon his naked of it's like they're basically tied.
Speaker 1: But the only reason why to become one is higher
Speaker 1: is because because I perform it at weddings when not asked.
Speaker 1: And then last is want to be and and specifically
Speaker 1: the video and they're in the house and they're up
Speaker 1: and down the stairs and they're right in the camera.
Speaker 1: It's a hotel in London that I think you can
Speaker 1: go with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, I will say those
Speaker 1: are excellent choices. I'm gonna challenge my sister. I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna challenge my sister. I'm just gonna say, spice up
Speaker 1: your life. I want to love. I want to I
Speaker 1: want to love it so badly. Too chaotic to chaotic. See,
Speaker 1: I think I like the chaos of it, especially because
Speaker 1: like they didn't really have a bigger song after that.
Speaker 1: I felt like they gave you everything and that one
Speaker 1: big last song. But you know, it is a little one.
Speaker 1: Once you got into the I I was like, whatever
Speaker 1: is happening there? It was like sometimes in the mood,
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm not in the mood to be like shaken
Speaker 1: awake like that. There's value to it, of course, but
Speaker 1: I would even Yes, this was not as big of
Speaker 1: a hit as as the other stuff, but I'm I'm
Speaker 1: sooner listening to holler off of Forever Hollow, excellent song
Speaker 1: at the song just the four of them wonderful. Did
Speaker 1: anyone say stop? Rat didn't? It was so like that
Speaker 1: that was everyone's bit for you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Anytime anyone said stopped, it was like, Oh, it's gonna come,
Speaker 1: You're right. It was that for a while. It was
Speaker 1: dyinga it was the Supremes, and then when that song
Speaker 1: came like maybe stop in the name of it, but
Speaker 1: then stop came out and everyone would break into the
Speaker 1: song if they if the words stopped managed to make
Speaker 1: it into the conversation it was on the nineties were
Speaker 1: a crazy time, truly. Before we move on from Spice Girls,
Speaker 1: I do want to know everyone's face favorite comedic or
Speaker 1: dramatic moment from the Spice World film. And I also
Speaker 1: would like to reach out to all the readers who,
Speaker 1: for chance might know a way we can watch the
Speaker 1: Spice World film because, like Alaska said, I'll mis program
Speaker 1: lost cultures and her I don't think so, Honey, you
Speaker 1: can not get this film, So someone find a way
Speaker 1: to get us this film. Please, you be our favorite reader.
Speaker 1: But what is your favorite comedic or dramatic moment from
Speaker 1: Spice World? For me, it's the reveal sort of in
Speaker 1: like a doctor who tardest way that the inside of
Speaker 1: the bus is bigger than the outside when they walk
Speaker 1: in and somehow magically they walk into a studio set
Speaker 1: the sound stage that is somehow also on wheels and
Speaker 1: a double decker busy. Yes, beautiful things. I really bought it.
Speaker 1: I thought it was real and I was an idiot.
Speaker 1: It's like me with a naked performance. I'm like, it
Speaker 1: was exactly like that. And that's what made us sisters
Speaker 1: at a very young age. We were both idiots and
Speaker 1: destined to be friends. I think I've said in the past,
Speaker 1: because it is not available just to watch anywhere, I've
Speaker 1: only seen it one or two times. Oh bo, and
Speaker 1: it would be your favorite film, it would be another film.
Speaker 1: But the moment that stands out to me that's just
Speaker 1: screamed at me and the most beautiful way, at the
Speaker 1: most beautiful frequency as a child was when Elton John
Speaker 1: shows up out of nowhere and they all freak out
Speaker 1: and they're like Elton and I'm like, and that was
Speaker 1: the moment where I was like, these girls are so powerful.
Speaker 1: I was like, these girls know Elton John, they are
Speaker 1: so powerful, and I will do I will, I will,
Speaker 1: I will do whatever they say. And so that's the moment.
Speaker 1: It was a flex that's that's neither a communic nor
Speaker 1: dramatic moment, but it was a moment that really was
Speaker 1: like it was it was. It was like a moment
Speaker 1: of crossover culture. It was a moment of like pre Avengers,
Speaker 1: pre Kingdom Hearts, l O l pre whatever, me being like, wow,
Speaker 1: worlds can collide. I mean, these are real people, but
Speaker 1: in terms of that movie being the container for them
Speaker 1: to cross paths, I go, oh my god, this I've
Speaker 1: never seen anything like this. My favorite moment in the
Speaker 1: film is famously when they are doing the obstacle course
Speaker 1: and the four of them are going through the opposite
Speaker 1: course and you just see like all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Victoria Beckham just walking Victoria Adams at the time, posh
Speaker 1: By is just walking around the opposite course in her
Speaker 1: heels and this is what she's going to do for
Speaker 1: the opposal course. She's not going to do it. She
Speaker 1: just struts alongside while the other girls like do it.
Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's hilarious. And then there's another scene
Speaker 1: later where they're in the hospital and they're waiting for
Speaker 1: their friends to give birth, which is like the plot
Speaker 1: of the movie, like they're fresh giving birth. I have
Speaker 1: to do a concert, but they want to be there
Speaker 1: for her, so like they're on the hospital and Jerry
Speaker 1: Jerry goes, I spy with my little eyes something blue
Speaker 1: and this is one of them goes hospital. Posh Spice
Speaker 1: just goes shut up. Jerry and that's why she's doing
Speaker 1: her Outstanding Achievement Award. And from what awards body we
Speaker 1: don't know, but we just know that the award is
Speaker 1: called Outstanding Achievement Award. Give her her rewards. It's really
Speaker 1: culture number fifteen. Posh, Spice is do her standing her
Speaker 1: outstanding an award. Oh my god, Spice World, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: I just want to thank Clark for giving us the
Speaker 1: gift to talk about Spice and the Spice Girls, which
Speaker 1: is itself truly, I mean, it's it was a gift,
Speaker 1: the gift of Spice, the gift of Spice, the gift
Speaker 1: of Spice and sisterhood, Spice and Sisterhood another before we
Speaker 1: go into I don't think so, honey, because I feel
Speaker 1: it coming. I feel it. I brought another gift for
Speaker 1: the two of you, which is a story that I
Speaker 1: have never hold anyone and I don't know how I
Speaker 1: made it through my press campaign without saying this story
Speaker 1: about love Simon a couple of years ago. But it
Speaker 1: is a is an exclusive behind the scene, again specifically
Speaker 1: curated for the readers when we were shooting the film,
Speaker 1: um which we don't need to know. I can just
Speaker 1: call it the film the film. So my scene, the
Speaker 1: big Principles office scene, right the two of us were
Speaker 1: sitting there. I get my moment, I get my like,
Speaker 1: this is us, let me tell you a story monologue moment.
Speaker 1: Greg Berlante, our director, at the end, we did a
Speaker 1: couple of takes of it, and he was like, I
Speaker 1: want you to, like sort of, you know, feel free
Speaker 1: to add anything. And you want, you know, if you
Speaker 1: want to improv something, if you want to add like
Speaker 1: a button, or if you want to add whatever. And
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, what could I possibly add? So
Speaker 1: then the next time we did the I think after
Speaker 1: like take two were three. At the end of the monologue,
Speaker 1: right before we're called into the office, I looked at
Speaker 1: Nick Robinson and I said these words, which were unfortunately
Speaker 1: cut from the film. I said, welcome to the Sisterhood. Ah.
Speaker 1: They cut it. They cut and I said it a
Speaker 1: million times. We did it in a bunch of takes,
Speaker 1: and and there were other pieces that were cut as well.
Speaker 1: And I totally also get that it might not have
Speaker 1: been the right vibe for the Like, whatever they did,
Speaker 1: I think they did a great job. I wanted to
Speaker 1: share it with with y'all and with the readers, because
Speaker 1: I feel like it was one of those like behind
Speaker 1: the scenes little tidbits that maybe can make the experience,
Speaker 1: uh just a little bit more special for any of
Speaker 1: the true heads. You know, everyone doesn't need to welcome
Speaker 1: to the Sisterhood moment, but for my sisters, for my community.
Speaker 1: Um I tried to shoehorn welcome to the Sisterhood in
Speaker 1: and um I knew y'a would appreciate that, so we do.
Speaker 1: And you know, I actually like when Love Simon came out.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of queer people were being a
Speaker 1: little hard on it because like it was this very commercial,
Speaker 1: like very much trying to be a movie about a
Speaker 1: gay kid for straight people. And I think that that's okay,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I would rather see
Speaker 1: that than the millionth version of you know, Paper Kites
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell it is, like whatever, like whatever
Speaker 1: movie that would get that budget. Like I'm happy there's
Speaker 1: a Love Simon, you know what I mean? Like of course,
Speaker 1: like is it extremely white, yes, Like is it extreme?
Speaker 1: Is it very much about someone with a lot of privilege? Yes,
Speaker 1: it does not strip that None of those things stripped
Speaker 1: it of its value in a way, right, and I
Speaker 1: so I think, like, um, it's it's fucking great that
Speaker 1: you that you said that. Am I surprised they cut it, no,
Speaker 1: because I think that probably they were trying to juggle
Speaker 1: things in their head about how the straight audience that
Speaker 1: was watching it we would respond to something like welcome
Speaker 1: to the sisterhood, like because that that line is going
Speaker 1: to make some dad and the audience say, oh, so
Speaker 1: it's what I thought. He's a woman now, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, and it's just like just to
Speaker 1: walk people through that, Like, I get why they cut it,
Speaker 1: but I also understand and appreciate that you said it.
Speaker 1: That's like and thank you for telling us. Of course
Speaker 1: we shared it just for you all these years. Well
Speaker 1: you were so memorable in that movie, and like we
Speaker 1: we loved it and we're just so happy that you're here.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to have a moment of what we
Speaker 1: do a segment called I don't think so honey, Well,
Speaker 1: take one minute to go off on something and culture.
Speaker 1: It's really chapping our our limbs, our limbs all our
Speaker 1: asses in our limbs or our asses which are a
Speaker 1: terminus of our legs. The legs end and start at
Speaker 1: the ass people don't talk about that, but you're asked.
Speaker 1: It's really what just what your legs become? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, if you're a butt guy, I'm
Speaker 1: putting this on quotes, you're really a leg freak because
Speaker 1: guess what your legs end were the ass cracks? Oh
Speaker 1: rule culture number nine? Read culture number number nine? Your legs, legs, legs?
Speaker 1: And where your as crass read? I wait to see
Speaker 1: that one illustrated read a book? Bitch? Um? Now, so
Speaker 1: what do you have something? Um? You know? I think
Speaker 1: I do? Okay, oh, I think I do. I hear
Speaker 1: some conviction. I can't wait to hear this. This is
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. As time
Speaker 1: starts now, girl, I don't think so honey. American Idol
Speaker 1: this season. I turned it on last night because I
Speaker 1: am very much convalescing, and I think my mother, who's
Speaker 1: sitting right here to my left, can agree. There's not
Speaker 1: one good person on that. Some people were like, oh,
Speaker 1: some of the girls are good, and I was watching
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, yeah, I get that there's good
Speaker 1: singing happening, but like, where is the star quality on
Speaker 1: this program? I couldn't find it. So basically the judges
Speaker 1: are Katy Perry, Luke Bryant, who just announced today he
Speaker 1: has COVID. He's a celebrity in l A April twelve,
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one, who's contracting COVID. I don't know
Speaker 1: how you do that, but he did, and Lionel Richie
Speaker 1: and they stand up an applaud for everyone, and I'm like, girl,
Speaker 1: where is the critique. Also, they have them perform right
Speaker 1: after they figured out they made it into the finals,
Speaker 1: and so it's like they're so shaky and freaked out
Speaker 1: because they just found out they made it, and they
Speaker 1: sound pitchy. I don't think so, honey. If you're gonna
Speaker 1: do American, I don't do one more season. Bring back
Speaker 1: the original three. Simon, Paula, Randy, Let's go out with
Speaker 1: the bank, kill it to take it out back. That's
Speaker 1: one minute, take it out back, kill it. The voice
Speaker 1: has surpassed it. Paula is going to fill in for
Speaker 1: Luke Bryan, who, again, I'll say, is on April twelve,
Speaker 1: two thousand one in the Pandemic, a celebrity in l
Speaker 1: A who contracted the coronavirus. I don't know how that
Speaker 1: let's let's not, let's not, you know, stigmatize getting the
Speaker 1: virus in some late or middle stage. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: he's very protected citizen. Yes, yes, you're right, that is true.
Speaker 1: But girl, I mean American idol is a flat right mom?
Speaker 1: What'd she say? She said? Dan bird, dam bird? Not good.
Speaker 1: She's through her catchphrasing. There, she knows the assignment. She
Speaker 1: understands the assignment. That's good branding. Oh, she's a great
Speaker 1: brand she and she understands that. To be sure? Were
Speaker 1: you know we just watched the branding challenge of drag Race,
Speaker 1: a pointless episode. Oh, the the sodas, the soda pops.
Speaker 1: Who's soda crops? Did you think was the best? Mom
Speaker 1: you liked Simmons Simmons with Cement Simon one. Everybody's got
Speaker 1: a sweet tooth? Remember that one. Rose's What's good? My
Speaker 1: mom loves Rose. And I had to say in in
Speaker 1: rewatching the season, I think people, you know, I think that,
Speaker 1: especially people in New York who know Rose. I think
Speaker 1: who are just used to go how good Rose is?
Speaker 1: Are being hard on Rose. I think Rose, the the
Speaker 1: gen Zers love her. The gen Zers love Rose. This
Speaker 1: is what I've heard is that she's getting a lot
Speaker 1: of um like a lot of the acode on my
Speaker 1: discovery page on my Instagram is like full of like
Speaker 1: drag race metrics, analytics, and like I'm seeing a lot
Speaker 1: of stuff like the top four. Sorry Clark, this is
Speaker 1: fully alienating. Um No, I mean it's why gen Z
Speaker 1: loving something is it makes me nervous. It's fascinating, it's fascinating. Well,
Speaker 1: it's just like they love Rose and like Rose's overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: winning like the polling quote unquote, not that it matters,
Speaker 1: but like um in the in the end, because it's
Speaker 1: Rue's choice to make. Of course you gotta win the
Speaker 1: route polling. Oh my god, the way I turned that,
Speaker 1: the way you turned that? But Rube, But sorry, gen
Speaker 1: Zers love Rose so interesting. You think that they would
Speaker 1: go for Goot Mick, Got Mick, and they they do
Speaker 1: also love Gotmick. But there there's a there's a pretty
Speaker 1: big margin um or difference with between Rose and Got Mick.
Speaker 1: I am gonna I've decided just now, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be real with mine. I'm gonna be a little
Speaker 1: real okay, because you know what it is. Clark just
Speaker 1: inspired me. He shared something that he never did not
Speaker 1: share on the press, on the on the press store
Speaker 1: for loves Simon. He got me to open up in
Speaker 1: a way that I would have never opened up to
Speaker 1: like a professional journalist. And I'm about to open up
Speaker 1: in a way that I would only tell my sisters.
Speaker 1: All Right, well you heard it your first. We're getting
Speaker 1: raw and real and it's Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Any
Speaker 1: language around any cast member on SML right now saying
Speaker 1: Blank stole the show. Blank is carrying the show on
Speaker 1: their backs. No, that erases the work of let's say,
Speaker 1: nineteen other people on that cast. This is the biggest
Speaker 1: cast the show has ever had. It's crazy, it's weird
Speaker 1: to navigate. Everyone is doing their best. Everyone is so
Speaker 1: un goodly talented in ways that no one in the
Speaker 1: audience can begin to understand. Internally, this is the vibe.
Speaker 1: We are all acknowledging each other's work, ethic and humor
Speaker 1: and different points of view and sensibilities, and it's a beautiful,
Speaker 1: beautiful coexistence, and we all appreciate each other. And this
Speaker 1: is a I can't believe this season of television that
Speaker 1: I have weirdly been a part of coincidentally, I like,
Speaker 1: how the fund did we get through this season? We're
Speaker 1: all doing our best, and we are all so so
Speaker 1: fucking funny that it's crazy to me to even suggest
Speaker 1: that it's an individual thing and not a collective thing
Speaker 1: that like me, the quality of the show is slightly
Speaker 1: different than it was in the past, or it's goofy,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm totally running the clock at this point,
Speaker 1: but it's like it really bugs me with like bow
Speaker 1: and bow and yes, I'm I'm using myself as an
Speaker 1: example because I've just been inundated with a little bit
Speaker 1: too much positive feedback. But I'm just like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you guys don't get it. This is like like every
Speaker 1: single person on this show right now is is so
Speaker 1: fucking good at this. That's all. It takes a village
Speaker 1: to that's all. And I don't I don't mean to
Speaker 1: like signal anything beyond on a meta level of like
Speaker 1: I'm what, I truly believe this in my heart, I
Speaker 1: go wow, like I can't believe what goes on at
Speaker 1: the show, like and the heartbreak that goes into like
Speaker 1: the creative process when things like dope come to term
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm just like, y'all, like, it's not as
Speaker 1: it's not quite as like it's survivorship by it's it's
Speaker 1: like you're only seeing the stuff that makes it onto
Speaker 1: the show. You're not seeing the stuff that didn't make it.
Speaker 1: That like is just as I don't know, great wonderful
Speaker 1: funny anyway, I think that's just a way that people, Um,
Speaker 1: that's one mode of people expressing themselves is too sort
Speaker 1: of like in lifting one thing up put down another thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what happens, so it's like it's
Speaker 1: but I also think, like it's what you're saying is
Speaker 1: true that like, but it feels zero sum. It feels
Speaker 1: like what now just yeah yeah. But but also like
Speaker 1: at the very heart of that is everyone being very
Speaker 1: proud of you and excited for you that you've done
Speaker 1: so well. But also you're right, it's I appreciate that
Speaker 1: that piece and all the pieces don't get made without
Speaker 1: like a million people were in their sucking ass off
Speaker 1: on it, especially at that show where it's like literally
Speaker 1: all hands on deck, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: must feel a little weird to get a feedback that's
Speaker 1: like if it wasn't for this person, and I wouldn't watch.
Speaker 1: It's just this is crazy. It's like it's it's it's
Speaker 1: weird and like and and and it's it's a show
Speaker 1: that engenders a lot of strong opinions because people have
Speaker 1: associations with it, whether they're very emotional or whether they're
Speaker 1: like disillusioned by it. And like, I totally get the
Speaker 1: crowd of people out there who are like sl sucks
Speaker 1: and hasn't been funny. I'm just like, yeah, great in
Speaker 1: terms of like, but in terms of a form of
Speaker 1: praise being packaged in like this person is exceptional in
Speaker 1: this way. I'm like, there's it's not the exception though.
Speaker 1: The rule. The rule is that the people who are
Speaker 1: on that show have some reason to be there, you know,
Speaker 1: like have some like have proven something by virtue of
Speaker 1: just being on the show. It's just am I am
Speaker 1: I like out of line. I don't think it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: And I also think this speaks to what I feel,
Speaker 1: what I've always felt in terms of like receiving feedback
Speaker 1: either positive or negative. It's like, especially the negative, I
Speaker 1: feel like we're taught how to deal with we're taught
Speaker 1: to ignore the comments were talked to, you know, process
Speaker 1: it in whatever way. But the positive can be even
Speaker 1: more overwhelming because what do you do with it? And
Speaker 1: and then because if there's so much of it, or
Speaker 1: if it's also in a specific way, like how do
Speaker 1: you process that? Is it real? You know, if the
Speaker 1: bad wasn't real, then how can the good be? Really?
Speaker 1: My mind goes on this on this whole journey as well. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure I can't imagine. Yeah, And it's also very
Speaker 1: good to be conscious of ego, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: because it's like, that's that's really I think where it
Speaker 1: gets tripped up is because like what if you were
Speaker 1: to believe one day that you were the only person
Speaker 1: to make the show run? Like that's crazy. So basically
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, it's it's it's all. And
Speaker 1: that's another reason. It's another it's another argument for getting
Speaker 1: literally offline. And I have to say, I activate on
Speaker 1: my Twitter again today. Well do you wanna what I
Speaker 1: did this time? So all the other times they got
Speaker 1: off Twitter, I deactivated it but kept the window open
Speaker 1: for twelve months. This time I did it for thirty days.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think this is it. I think this
Speaker 1: is the last this is the last leg um commitment.
Speaker 1: Yes commitment. I just but I just want to like
Speaker 1: just just just um compound what you guys are saying,
Speaker 1: which is like the the the the oversimplified way that
Speaker 1: I can think of this now is that like you
Speaker 1: have to examine question whatever the positive on the same
Speaker 1: with the same scrutiny that you would with the negative.
Speaker 1: The best advice I've ever gotten was from one of
Speaker 1: the producers on the thing off right towards the end,
Speaker 1: as she was like, your career is going to go well,
Speaker 1: you are, you are going in a really positive direction.
Speaker 1: I believe in you. And she said the advice that
Speaker 1: I will give you is they are never you are
Speaker 1: never as good or as bad as That is how
Speaker 1: I process all of it because because yeah, the good
Speaker 1: can be really overwhelming. And also the other thing too
Speaker 1: is like a lot of people when they say something,
Speaker 1: they say in a moment, they're not all the time,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like it's something
Speaker 1: I also think that can happen with social media is
Speaker 1: like you know, someone tosses off a mean or positive
Speaker 1: comment and you think that person is obsessed with me. No,
Speaker 1: they said it in a second. It's a fleeting thought
Speaker 1: that like is it is now like sort of written
Speaker 1: in ink Mark Zuckerberg. Um, but yeah, anyway, um social
Speaker 1: network quote anyway, Oh my god, I got I got
Speaker 1: a little Volney, I got it. I got real because
Speaker 1: it's fine and we love that anyway. So um, but
Speaker 1: it's because Clark is here. It's because Clark, Clark. Clark
Speaker 1: opens the floodgates of of of von the Clark effect.
Speaker 1: It's the Park effect. And right now we're going to
Speaker 1: actually experience the Clark effect in uh in rare form
Speaker 1: as Clark endeavors to complete. And I don't think so, honey, Clark,
Speaker 1: the moment is here. Are you Are you ready for it?
Speaker 1: Teller Swift definitely not. But I will give it a
Speaker 1: good I'll give it an old college try, Dartmouth try. Now, wait,
Speaker 1: what before we get this, did you at Dartmouth doing acapella?
Speaker 1: Ever experienced the n y U and harmonics out in
Speaker 1: the wild? Of course? Yeah? Ali Stroker, Oh wow, we're
Speaker 1: now represented by the same manager. Rachel Saltzman, shout out,
Speaker 1: she salts They did. They did a cover of Billy
Speaker 1: Ray was a preach. Just yeah, it's an incredible cover
Speaker 1: of It's so good. It's on YouTube. It's worth it's
Speaker 1: worth thinking into. This was the riff okay, y good?
Speaker 1: Is it always no matter it's a Stunn name. Are
Speaker 1: you used to love them? I used to love I designed.
Speaker 1: I designed their first album. I remember design. I remember
Speaker 1: the terrible design. I did a terrible job. I still
Speaker 1: think to they stay about how I did not do
Speaker 1: them justice, because I'm sure they loved us, why they
Speaker 1: used it. I also like I wanted to audition for
Speaker 1: them so bad, but was busy with Hammercats and wasn't
Speaker 1: like confident enough to go. They were way better than
Speaker 1: we were. They were like they were like legit, legit, legit. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Our our charm and our stick was this sort of
Speaker 1: like good old boy, you know, like mediocre sounding white
Speaker 1: guy vibe. That was like where we live. That was
Speaker 1: the dartmouth acapella vibe got up. Whereas n y U
Speaker 1: and arms their thing, their thing, I'm not kidding you,
Speaker 1: was they riff down, they look hot, and they do drugs.
Speaker 1: That was literally their thing. And they can drag me
Speaker 1: for that, but that was your thing. And I don't
Speaker 1: know that was that was the thing, and it was
Speaker 1: it was it was like it was like it was
Speaker 1: like they were like a scary hot acapella group. Ye. Anyway,
Speaker 1: but it's time Clark mar your I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: begins now. I don't think so, honey, headaches. Okay, you
Speaker 1: really are that bitch you come into my brainscape, I
Speaker 1: at least expect you. You thoroughly ruin my life. You
Speaker 1: take away my vision, my productivity, jois de vis, my personality,
Speaker 1: and my general will to live. As the kids say,
Speaker 1: you are living rent free in my brain and it's
Speaker 1: time for you to get the respected. Oh, there are
Speaker 1: no squatters rights in my freefrontal cortex, and honey, you
Speaker 1: are way past do I know? You always come up
Speaker 1: with excuses. You're trying to blame your existence on anything
Speaker 1: you can, my dehydration, my insomnia, the barometric pressure of venice. Bitch. Ay,
Speaker 1: time you start taking accountability. Okay, my cerebellum is closed
Speaker 1: to you, headaches. I don't think so, honey. You are
Speaker 1: not welcome here. Wow, that's one minute. You know, as
Speaker 1: someone who has been dealing with a lot of tile
Speaker 1: at all extra strength recently, I am with you, sister headaches.
Speaker 1: Just had your right headaches come in and they're like
Speaker 1: they're that neighbor that pops spy, that's like no reason
Speaker 1: just wanted to It's like there's no reason that they
Speaker 1: should be there. It's it's like Agatha all along. It's
Speaker 1: Agnes coming in as just checking in Onwanda, without the reveal,
Speaker 1: without without the fun reveal, without the fun reveal of
Speaker 1: Catherine Han the reveal. The reason is actually also chaos magic.
Speaker 1: That's why we get headaches. Yeah, yeah, they're amongst my
Speaker 1: least favorite things in the world. I would say headaches,
Speaker 1: canker sores, um, coughing, fit, common cold. So these are
Speaker 1: things that just don't want. A tooth hurts darling. These
Speaker 1: are things that don't need to happen, but often do. Um.
Speaker 1: What is what is your pain reliever of choice? Um?
Speaker 1: I have some, I have some holistic remedies and I
Speaker 1: have and of course you know hyperproofan. I try to
Speaker 1: stay away from it though, because excuse me, I don't
Speaker 1: like to take a leave a lot leave though I
Speaker 1: used to take Adville. Apparently a leave has a longer
Speaker 1: half life, so it lasts longer but when you were
Speaker 1: pre met, you know, just half life. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: know what that means. Does I mean it's more shelf
Speaker 1: stable quote unquote talking about it's got jams releasing the
Speaker 1: I think it just like lasts longer. So like the headache,
Speaker 1: the medicine works longer. You know what's interesting, I was
Speaker 1: not a lot. I have to be on tile and
Speaker 1: all right now because they say that all the other
Speaker 1: pain relievers, hyperprofen, advil, etcetera, they're all they thin your
Speaker 1: blood blood dinners. Yeah, so I didn't know that. One
Speaker 1: of the holistic things that actually does work for me
Speaker 1: is peppermint oil. And it always has worked for me,
Speaker 1: both because I think it opens up some pathways. I
Speaker 1: usually get sinus headaches in the front and so the
Speaker 1: peppermint oil, I put it on my um, upper lip,
Speaker 1: on my temples, and then I put it in between
Speaker 1: my How does one describe this in between the thumb
Speaker 1: and first index finger? Because this is all that we
Speaker 1: call that. We called out the smash mouth the l
Speaker 1: on her well put it in the smash mouth. Um,
Speaker 1: there's a pressure point there. Um. And I also have
Speaker 1: this little thing that like squeezes, it's it clips onto
Speaker 1: my smash mouth and it squeezes the pressure point and
Speaker 1: that helps with the headache as well. Look at that
Speaker 1: he's healing the I'm giving you practical advice, private practice,
Speaker 1: a holistic prac justin in Venice and Santa Monica near
Speaker 1: Son with no accreditation. So please don't sue me. Listen, Oh,
Speaker 1: I think we are. We are not going to sue.
Speaker 1: We're not going to see work. We've kept Clark over time.
Speaker 1: I rudely had to push this whole thing back once
Speaker 1: and do it and do it again near minutes before
Speaker 1: we're gonna let Clark go. But this was this was healing.
Speaker 1: This was so fun. Thank you for having me. I
Speaker 1: love y'all so much. Thank you for being on my show.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that we've closed out the loop here. Yes,
Speaker 1: um and you both have brought such a validation to
Speaker 1: the pod. I was gonna say validation. I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 1: I think people take it more seriously now. And your
Speaker 1: two episodes are no way, it's all you, It's all you, baby.
Speaker 1: They're the most listened to episodes of all and um
Speaker 1: that is probably for a reason. So thank you guys,
Speaker 1: and especially Bowen. Thank you for doing it before it
Speaker 1: even existed. You know it could have been literally anything,
Speaker 1: and you jumped in in those early days. So thank you. Well.
Speaker 1: We are great fans and great admirers and great friends. Yes,
Speaker 1: welcome to the sisterhood. Everyone listened to soul Bomb. Yes,
Speaker 1: you gotta listen to bomb. Um and uh, just let's
Speaker 1: listen to and watch everything that Clark does. Haven't come
Speaker 1: on bowen, Uh we are going to. I'm we're going
Speaker 1: to bravely still finish with the song. And um, I
Speaker 1: think you know what it is. I think you know
Speaker 1: what it is. Billy Ray was visit, coming along let together,
Speaker 1: and start started talking that some billy would take me
Speaker 1: walk in the back yard. How do we go walking?
Speaker 1: To my eyes, those massive prize and the only one
Speaker 1: to hell, let's teach me was this each a man,
Speaker 1: a British woman singing like a southern Memphis bell. I
Speaker 1: love it. Bye bye