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Speaker 1: point darling, that's right. I was like, yeah, Matthew, sorry,

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Speaker 1: I go ahead and keep going. And then and then

426
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Speaker 1: what else? What else have we consumed? I weirdly had

427
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Speaker 1: a an emotional reaction to god Zilla versus Kong, which

428
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: I watched yesterday. Emotional reaction extreme anger. No, I cried,

429
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Speaker 1: beautiful girl. Okay. So, first of all, who do you

430
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Speaker 1: identify with? Well, it's it wasn't actually have y'all seen

431
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Speaker 1: it not? I have not. I'm dying too, okay, So

432
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,159
Speaker 1: how can we not spoil the You can, you can spoil.

433
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: I have a feeling I kind of know what the

434
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 1: spoiler is. I feel like I will love it no

435
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,360
Speaker 1: matter what I think of love love. I really love

436
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,760
Speaker 1: those movies. So okay. So the thing that made me

437
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: cry is a little bit of a spoiler in that

438
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: it opens up a plot device, but it's not any

439
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: of any like big spoilers. So so so Letten reader,

440
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: if you're listening, you haven't seen it. Um, skip ahead,

441
00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: let's say five minutes. Well, we'll give you a to

442
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: a specific time signature. But yes, okay, great, sorry, keep going, Clark.

443
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:24,879
Speaker 1: So basically, around thirty minutes, there's this little girl who

444
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: has like developed a relationship with Kong in the habitat

445
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: that he's living in, and she is hearing impaired, and

446
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 1: you sort of see through the first thirty minutes that

447
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,840
Speaker 1: she's like has a relationship with him, but you don't

448
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: really know what it is. And right around minute thirty

449
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: it is revealed in the most beautiful way that the

450
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 1: relationship she has with her is that she can communicate

451
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: with him through sign language. And the reason why it

452
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: got me, the reason why it got me was it

453
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 1: because it was just such a beautiful narrative that this

454
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: girl's I'm literally gonna cry. This girl's disability is her superpower.

455
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:14,200
Speaker 1: It's a crucial plot device. The only way anyone else

456
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:18,440
Speaker 1: can can communicate with Kong is through this girl's relationship

457
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: because of her disability, And um, it was just so

458
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,199
Speaker 1: like in this time of representation and the conversations of

459
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,280
Speaker 1: like shoehorning, diversity in and how brutal it is to

460
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: watch them check boxes, you know, and like for it

461
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,919
Speaker 1: to be such a thoughtful inclusion and for it to

462
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 1: be the main, driving, crucial plot point. You know, it

463
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: got me, It got And then he signs home to her,

464
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was, Oh my god, clerk, there

465
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: was some good stuff in there. I would say, while

466
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: we're still in spoiler zone, Um, it always irritates me

467
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 1: when it's like Godzilla versus Kong and then at the

468
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: end there's no winner because they're both actually good. Like

469
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,320
Speaker 1: Godzilla comes in kills what has to be millions of people,

470
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: like pleasers, like stomping on buildings doing Godzilla's gig, like

471
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: he comes in fully on game. And then at the

472
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: end they have a conversation. They're like they speak to

473
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,440
Speaker 1: one another. And by the way, there's a really good

474
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: line by Rebecca Hall, which is we think they have

475
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: an ancient rivalry. Like she's just like sort of rifling

476
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: tho drawers, trying to find papers or whatever, and she's like,

477
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,600
Speaker 1: we believe they have an ancient rivalry. And it's like, well,

478
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: this is just pure camp. And then honestly, maybe I

479
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 1: loved it at the end and they spoke to each

480
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: other and decided that Godzilla would go back to the sea.

481
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Like, but I just I

482
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: guess when you say someone versus someone, there should be

483
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: a winner. And you know, I mean, shouldn't we as

484
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: an audience be trained around the idea that there will

485
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:02,720
Speaker 1: be not like you're not gonna kill or those are

486
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: two icons. Yeah, they can't die. No, No, I agree

487
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 1: with you, and I feel like, you know, I'm being

488
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: a little facetious here. I really want them both to live.

489
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: I love both the girls. I love both of the girls,

490
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: both the girls. They represent so much. It would be

491
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 1: like it would be like at the end of the podcast,

492
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,800
Speaker 1: if one of one of us had to die, were

493
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 1: two icons on their left, we have to both live,

494
00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Well that as a as

495
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,160
Speaker 1: a reader, that's how we feel when you guys talk

496
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: about the suicide pact, that you've created, the Megan McCain's

497
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: suicide pact. Okay, we don't want to lose you. I

498
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: really don't think she's coming on, so okay, I think

499
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 1: I think that she is. Things have happened this year,

500
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: Are things have happened? No, I don't think. I don't

501
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: think it's in the cards. Wait, Clark, can I ask

502
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: you another frivolous question, even to undercut how perfectly put

503
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: you just just just just what you found so beautiful

504
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: about this film where you stoned when you watched it?

505
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: I was not okay, it was ride. At the time,

506
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: I was not a pound of edibles. If I was.

507
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: If I was stoned, I probably would have laughed a

508
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: lot more. I probably would have liked, huh, gone on

509
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: a ride with the visual experience. But because I was,

510
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: because I was sober, actually not only did I cry more,

511
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 1: but but in the context of Biden presenting his infrastructure plan,

512
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: the only thing I could think about was as Godzilla

513
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: is destroying Hong Kong. Okay, that's a billion dollars. There's

514
00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: two and a half billions. Where are we getting the

515
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: budget to rebuild Hong Kong? And if you're taxing my ass,

516
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: which I'm okay with, I don't want my money going

517
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: towards a pothole in a white neighborhood. I want that.

518
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: Come on, okay, tax them there ancient? What kind of

519
00:29:49,400 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 1: generational wealth have they developed? Exactly exactly have you been

520
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: watching the race girls? Wow? He said, I watched everything

521
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: and he's not watching the race. Here's the veil for me,

522
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: I have not watched. I stopped watching reality television a

523
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. And this is actually something I know.

524
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: I really want to know this, but I I want

525
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: to hear why. So it was and you know what's

526
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: so funny, It was Potomac for me that really made

527
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: me sort of go over the edge. And two years ago, yes,

528
00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: I want to say it was whenever the narrative about

529
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 1: Robin and the house and the divorce and not having

530
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: any money, and you know, like I don't know, I

531
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 1: can't speak to their narratives now, but got worse. So

532
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 1: this is the thing that I have always found so strange,

533
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 1: and Potomac I think was what lifted the veil for

534
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,719
Speaker 1: all the other uh you know girls in the franchise.

535
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: For me, um, I thought it was supposed to be

536
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: about aspirational wealth, and I thought it was supposed to

537
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:12,240
Speaker 1: be about people who had a certain amount of money

538
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: that either we never would have and or like, isn't

539
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 1: it great to see them fail socially because they have

540
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 1: money that we're jealous of, you know, or like, isn't

541
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: it great to see people fight because that's the only

542
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: way that I can make sense of the fact that

543
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 1: they have, you know, this conspicuous consumption that we're watching

544
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 1: on television. But then with Potomac, it was like, all

545
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: these girls are broke, and so I'm like, okay, wait

546
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: are these are these women on the show? And then

547
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: also with all the other places, you start to see

548
00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 1: how they become dependent on the income in order to

549
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: maintain the lifestyle. They go in and they have some

550
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: amount of wealth that they have accumulated or whatever. And

551
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: now though now they have to make their one million

552
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: a year on real house Eyes of Atlanta or there,

553
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: however many hundreds of thousands a year on whatever other thing.

554
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: And so many of them start there with the hopes

555
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: of going somewhere else. I think of a person like Nani,

556
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: and then that doesn't necessarily pan out in the traditional sense,

557
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: and so then they have to come back anyway. All

558
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 1: this to say, and this is what I'm really curious

559
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: y'all's thoughts are. I've started to feel complicit in really

560
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 1: the destruction of these women's lives because the drama is

561
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: contrived but real, the divorces are real, the estrangement from

562
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: their children is real. You know, and then like the

563
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: dependency on this, you know, it's this negative feedback loop

564
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: that they've sort of seemed to get gotten trapped in.

565
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: That makes that makes complete sense to me. I see,

566
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: Like what you're sort of disillusioned by is that this

567
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: seems like a codependent thing where it's the network or

568
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: it's UM, it's or it's or whatever. It's the network

569
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: depending on the housewives as talent, and then the housewives

570
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 1: depending on the network is a source of income when

571
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: it's really a one way exploitation. UM, and that problem

572
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: that might have opened your eyes to all the reality

573
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: TV or most reality TV, which is also exploitative in

574
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: that same way, you know, any day fiances your UM.

575
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just like I feel like that that

576
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: is the prime example, not the prime example, like your hoarders.

577
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,640
Speaker 1: You're like that kind of thing. Yeah, six pound life.

578
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 1: You know, I think it's interesting, Like what I like

579
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: about the Housewives is um the sort of ways in

580
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: which people really say what they feel and I actually

581
00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: has I think, and this is maybe a reach for

582
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: me to say, but it may they have improved how

583
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: I deal with conflict in my life because I'm less

584
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 1: afraid of what's going to happen if I say what

585
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: I really think to someone and say, what's bothering me?

586
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: But maybe because I've seen it display so many times

587
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: in such bad ways on these shows, but also in

588
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: such productive ways. But in terms of your thing about um,

589
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: like it feels like it's not like a symbiotic relationship,

590
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: like it's them taking taking taking. I think it depends

591
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,839
Speaker 1: who you are. I think if you are someone like

592
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 1: let's say Jen Shaw on The Real Housewives of Salt

593
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 1: Lake City, and you know you are a criminal, and

594
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: you know you've stolen millions from hundreds of people, working

595
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: class people, then I don't think you go on a

596
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,920
Speaker 1: reality show because yes, your life is going to be destroyed.

597
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,279
Speaker 1: I think if you're someone like Erica Jane and you

598
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: know more than you say about what your husband has done,

599
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: maybe don't go on the reality show. If she truly

600
00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: didn't know anything and she thought this is gonna be

601
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 1: a way to connect myself with a new audience, and

602
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,439
Speaker 1: you know, I have a music career that I want

603
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,359
Speaker 1: more people to know about, then maybe that's why she

604
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: did it. But I think it's like any person can

605
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,440
Speaker 1: go out in the world and going out in the

606
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 1: world can go well for you or go badly for you.

607
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: So I think that these people, whether they're delusional or not,

608
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 1: they sign up for this opportunity knowing that it can

609
00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: go well for them or badly for them. I just

610
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: think not enough people are realistic enough about how it's

611
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: gonna go for them. But that's what makes them really

612
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: good reality stars. And I do think it's fun to watch.

613
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: And I like you're saying, because they all do have

614
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: this like wealth they can fall back on. I don't

615
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: really feel bad if someone's daughter is mad at them

616
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 1: because they said that the daughter didn't look good in

617
00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 1: clothes when they went to the reality show and paraded

618
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: this opinion about like it's it's it's to me. It's

619
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: like it's like a study in like Hubris lack thereof.

620
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: I think it's some says something really crazy about America,

621
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: which I really like watching. I think it's also a

622
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: response to um. The reality shows like that were sort

623
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: of around and like the early aughts that were all

624
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: about aspirational wealth, like it felt like, you know, the

625
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,319
Speaker 1: fabulous life, and like everything was about these rich, rich,

626
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: rich people and these shows really bringing them down to earth.

627
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,319
Speaker 1: And I feel like watching that happen is cathartic a

628
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: little bit. Um that being said, I also I know

629
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: that a little bit of what I'm saying it was like, no, no, no,

630
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: it's still good. I'm fine, And what you're saying is right.

631
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: It's why I avoided it for so long. That's why

632
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: I never got into it for so long as I

633
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: was like you, the last thing you could get me

634
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,920
Speaker 1: to watch is The Housewives, right then, I actually think

635
00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: it's some of the better reality TV that's out there,

636
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Speaker 1: to be honest, but do you feel like Clark, that

637
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: there's a reality TV shaped hole in your consumption or

638
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: you just like, no, I'm good, Like there's plenty of

639
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,439
Speaker 1: stuff to watch. Well, it's the it's that it's also

640
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: appaired with the time. Uh, you know, you have so

641
00:37:00,680 --> 00:37:06,719
Speaker 1: many scripted series now and you couldn't possibly watch everything. Um,

642
00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: So I don't feel I do sometimes feel um, I

643
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: do sometimes feel out of the conversation, and so in

644
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: those times I'll try to like, like I did watch Um,

645
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: I guess it's more of a documenteries. But I did

646
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: watch Tiger King, which was a docuseries. The biggest compliment ever,

647
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: But that's similarly I felt so like dirty watching that,

648
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 1: and so like, oh, I will say, I did watch,

649
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: and I really enjoyed selling Sunset. And the reason I

650
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: did was because I was loving your your episodes about it,

651
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: and I just didn't. I just like, I don't get it,

652
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: but I want to engage in this conversation, so I

653
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: will sometimes um dive in, but usually I'm just trying

654
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:01,799
Speaker 1: to create some distance. Sure, and for selling Sunset, there

655
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: is some not exception to to to to to this

656
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 1: um this idea around reality UM that that you're sort

657
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 1: of that I think you're sort of holding in a

658
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 1: very nuanced understanding way, but it's that you're they don't.

659
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel it doesn't feel like these people are

660
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,959
Speaker 1: being exploited, with the exception of like what's her face,

661
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 1: Davina right, especially knowing the context of Adam what is

662
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: his name, Adam de Villo, Adam the Hills, the Hills guy, Yeah,

663
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: he did the Hills and Laguna, and so knowing I

664
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: guess this is also sort of part of what I'm

665
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: saying about reality television in general, is like being at

666
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: a point now where every class of person, not socio

667
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: economic class, but every like new class of Housewives or

668
00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: you know TV show whatever. These are all people who

669
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:55,439
Speaker 1: have all watched some version of reality television. We're not

670
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: getting people who have no idea. We're not getting what

671
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: was her name on season one of Real Housewives of Atlanta. Um,

672
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: she only lasted one season and she was so sweet.

673
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: Not Deshaun, Maybe it was Deshaun And she wrote like

674
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: a fifteen thousand dollar um tithing check in her megachurch

675
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: on like the second episode of the show. You know,

676
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 1: you're not getting people who have no idea what they're

677
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 1: getting into anymore. You're getting people like Divina exactly, who

678
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 1: are going onto this with some like wacko idea of

679
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: like this is how I'm going to create my narrative

680
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:39,919
Speaker 1: on this show when she tried to sell I hope

681
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: we can continue to follow that narrative. And also, in

682
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 1: a way, you have seen drag because you've seen Christine

683
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: in the sunset, so your drag race quote is sort

684
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:54,919
Speaker 1: of filled there. Um it maybe time now, as we wait,

685
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: I'm in the drag race canon. I don't know how

686
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,360
Speaker 1: I haven't mentioned this, do you know this? Wait? So

687
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: Alex my one of my best friends, Alex Knewell my

688
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: good Judy. Yes, was on uh celebrity Yes, yes, yes, yes,

689
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: of course of course and that was the roast episode. Yes,

690
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 1: and there's oh was it? I? Actually it was Alex

691
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: and two other people competing for money for charity, and

692
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: Alex got Bob the drag queen um as a mentor,

693
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:31,799
Speaker 1: and they were all they all had like once they

694
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 1: got into drag they had to show their friends and

695
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: family and whatever. And so I am on Alex's iPhone.

696
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 1: My Chiron was Alex's friend, and my IMDb credits I

697
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:50,399
Speaker 1: don't know, put thank you and yeah, there I am

698
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: on Alex's not himself, not self, Alex's friend, exactly, very distinguished,

699
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 1: very we're playing the role. I was playing the role. Yeah,

700
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:07,400
Speaker 1: we must know the answer that you have to our

701
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: question that we ask every single guest. And it's just

702
00:41:09,600 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 1: truly the moment, which is Clark, what was the culture

703
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: that made you say? Culture was for you? This is

704
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 1: so hard to answer, And of course I've thought about

705
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: it at length. I think about it every single episode

706
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: and it gives me a little bit of an anxiety

707
00:41:26,920 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: attack because I'm like, what am I going to say? Um?

708
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: The reason why it's hard for me to to answer, though,

709
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: is because I a theme that I've sensed in a

710
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: number of your guests is certainly as they've become performers

711
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: or like known performers, there is a shift where they

712
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: feel like it's something they do alone, privately for themselves

713
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: at home, in their community theater or whatever, to like, oh,

714
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: now I'm going to do this on a bigger stage.

715
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 1: I'm going to do this on in TV and film,

716
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this on Broadway. But for me, I

717
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 1: just covered performance as a child actor, like so immediately,

718
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 1: like my earliest memories of you know, theater or auditioning

719
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: are also some of my earliest conscious memories. So I

720
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: never felt separate from culture. I had the opposite. I

721
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: was just waiting for the phone to ring for me

722
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: to go be in a movie. You know. I was

723
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 1: always like I had that delusion from day one. But

724
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: I will say I coned through the memories and I

725
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: did pick one. That is, it wasn't necessarily the only moment,

726
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: but it was one of many, and it's curated specifically

727
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 1: for the girls here. So Curation Station, You're welcome. I

728
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:53,400
Speaker 1: in elementary school, I like everyone here. I loved the

729
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: Spice girls. They were my everything. They were my all.

730
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: It sounds insane to say this because it really makes

731
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 1: me feel a hundred years old, but I had there.

732
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:07,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the album was called, but I

733
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 1: had it on a a track I had on a tape, Spice, Spice.

734
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: It was white with the colors yeah, in the letters,

735
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. And I loved it so much that

736
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: I actually had a little I guess you could call

737
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: it a cover band, and we would. We were called

738
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: the Spice Kids, and we were for Spice Girls tracks

739
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 1: exclusively on the wood ships during recess so on like

740
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 1: the you know, and the moment, the specific moment where

741
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: I was like started to see the pieces come together.

742
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: You know. It's that meme where like Cira Cedric is

743
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: looking around or whoever it is looking around and all

744
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: the numbers are flying around their heads. Yes, yes she does.

745
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 1: We call her numbers numbers. It's rule of culture number

746
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 1: number um. And I was I was seeing sort of

747
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: like the behind the scenes. So they have this performance.

748
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:19,919
Speaker 1: Do you remember the song Naked we talk Istanbul where

749
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,959
Speaker 1: they they're nude behind the chairs, behind the chairs chairs. Yeah,

750
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 1: this is one of the most psychonic moments in culture.

751
00:44:26,120 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 1: It's it's actually a very very formative And is this

752
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 1: on the list? I don't think that's not on the list.

753
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: But have to do in the Vice world. The album

754
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: in the film is in the top fifty. Yes. And

755
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 1: so they the lights are out, you see nothing. You

756
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,839
Speaker 1: see the silhouettes of these women who we love come out,

757
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: and you see that there's something going on, but you

758
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: don't know what it is. They sit behind the chairs.

759
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:52,359
Speaker 1: The lights come up, they dropped the towels and they're

760
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: quote unquote naked behind the chairs that they're sitting in backwards. Okay.

761
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 1: The reason why I say this is the moment that

762
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 1: I knew culture was for me is because even as

763
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,880
Speaker 1: a six year old, when I was watching that, I

764
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 1: immediately was like, Okay, I know they're not naked because

765
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 1: it would be illegal, it would be lude, it would

766
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: be right, so they would crude and rude, right, So

767
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: they have to have something going on there. There's some

768
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:25,879
Speaker 1: sort of production element here and there. They have successfully

769
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: created the illusion, right, and that's what it all is. Right.

770
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 1: That's as as any actors, you know, you know that

771
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 1: you're creating an illusion that is experienced in the viewer.

772
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: It's not real, it's it's this magic trick and I

773
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: this is actually why my cover band became banned be

774
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: A in an E D. So I well know, because

775
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 1: I was like, we can't. But I attempted to recreate

776
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: that moment on the wood Chips with my chips. Oh

777
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: my god. Title of app co star, my second lead

778
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: vocalist and third lead vocalist. Yes, there are only three

779
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,560
Speaker 1: of us in the Spice kids, um, and I kept

780
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: trying to. I just remember being six or seven years

781
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: old and thinking like, Okay, it's about a thirty second

782
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: walk from the closest bathroom to our stage, So how

783
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: are we going to get there without revealing we don't

784
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,439
Speaker 1: have you know, we don't have a backstage. We don't

785
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: have it's all open it's all open air. And also

786
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: this is a we're in in the round, So how

787
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,800
Speaker 1: are we going to create the illusion of nudity for

788
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: the people behind us as well as the people beside

789
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: and in front of you? Just can't do it, and

790
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: I try. I enlisted the help of the teachers because

791
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,760
Speaker 1: I was like, how do I figure out this moment?

792
00:46:52,120 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: And You're like how do you were like a young child,

793
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: You're like, how do I do a new delusion in

794
00:46:55,960 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: the round. The adults a new delusion was how do

795
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 1: I how do I figure this out? And they were like, Okay, honey,

796
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 1: I think you've taken this a little too far. We're

797
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,120
Speaker 1: going to have to stop. Um, we're gonna have to

798
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: ask you. Also, you know, she said to me, a

799
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: number of the other students are jealous because they aren't

800
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: in the band, and um, you know, there's sort of

801
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 1: an exclusivity thing happening here. So we're gonna have to

802
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: It's been a great run, but we're gonna have to end.

803
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: The Spice kids. Well, okay, so were you silent or

804
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: silenced for the ladder? Oh my god? Wait, And I

805
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 1: should also round out the story. I don't the other

806
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: two girls. I don't remember one of them, which I

807
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: feel so bad. It's such a Michelle Williams situation. But

808
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: my second lead vocalist was actually a woman by the

809
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: name of now my name is Dr Alicia Kramer, and

810
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 1: she is mayor to U S. Senator John Assaf. Oh

811
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:09,279
Speaker 1: my god, so let me Georgia. He could put it down.

812
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 1: I knew it from the second I saw him. I

813
00:48:11,360 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 1: was like, he could put it down. I know it.

814
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: I know he gets real sweet and sensitive. And I

815
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: bet he's married to former Spice Kid who now goes

816
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: by the name dr. Now what what? So basically you

817
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 1: had three girls and the Spice Kids. You understand there's

818
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 1: famously five. So did you have identities similar to famously?

819
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: The Spice Girls were sort of you understand, baby, posh, sporty,

820
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: scary and ginger. Explain that we did so the way

821
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: that I worked around it, because you have to understand

822
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:56,680
Speaker 1: Matt and bowhen not everyone was talented enough to be

823
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: in the Spice Kids and the whole week. Actually, this

824
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: is why we had to cap it at three because

825
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: there wasn't you know, we weren't going to dull ourselves

826
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: water it down to have her fourth and a fifth

827
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 1: just to be you know, true too, true to the original.

828
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: That's why you caught LaToya and LaTavia. Okay, I wasn't

829
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: gonna say it, but anti reclusion icon clarkmore exclusive from

830
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,319
Speaker 1: the beginning. So I said to the girls, I said

831
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: we can, I said, so, I said to the girls,

832
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: and I said, we can do whatever you want. You know,

833
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: if you want to have a name, if you want

834
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: to pick a name, you can combine a name, I

835
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: will allow y'all to choose. The only thing that I

836
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: know for sure is that I am baby, and so

837
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: I went by baby boy. I didn't go by a

838
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:55,280
Speaker 1: baby spice. I went by baby baby boy, baby boy.

839
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: And then I don't remember what the other girls chose,

840
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:00,919
Speaker 1: but I specifically remember baby boy. And I remember having

841
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: a little lollipop like Emma and being a little cheeky

842
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: six year old. Now here's the deal. I think as adults,

843
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: we can all say, like, I identify with a certain

844
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: Spice girl. Now like I I I genuinely identify on

845
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: this day, of all days in my life with like

846
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:22,399
Speaker 1: more of a scary spice energy. I identify with more

847
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: of a sort of ginger spice rising. And I think

848
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:30,640
Speaker 1: that posh lives inside me. But there's something about being

849
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: a kid, like I don't think there were a lot

850
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: of kids looking at the Spice girls and not saying

851
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: I'm baby baby was everyone wanted to be a baby. Yes,

852
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:43,240
Speaker 1: that's why I had to claim it, Okay, and not

853
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: not not to keep digging into this bit, but you

854
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 1: are gate keeping girl bossing the house down. No, I

855
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 1: love this girl bossing. Another front runner for title event

856
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: so shocking to have three. Wow. So then who were

857
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: Alicia and the other one? What were their identities? Doctor

858
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: Dr Alicia fool. I want to say Dr Kramer was sporty,

859
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 1: because she was always very athletic, and I do, I

860
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 1: do vaguely remember that. And I can't, for the life

861
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,799
Speaker 1: of me remember that third girl. Oh my god, watch

862
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 1: their like Elizabeth Olsen or something. Yeah, a superstar. Honestly,

863
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: it's so crazy that that she went on to real

864
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: John aus Off marrying and doctor success. She did, I

865
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: and also John he because then from elementary school we

866
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 1: all continued through the same We switched from that elementary

867
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: school to a different one, and then all went to

868
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: junior high and high school together. I don't mean to

869
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 1: put the senator's business out in the streets, but no,

870
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,879
Speaker 1: do it. We've all seen those all musical theater videosm

871
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 1: not much left to hide after that. Dr Kramer and

872
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 1: I actually were first and second chair cello cello in

873
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: the orchestra together while their romance was beginning, and so

874
00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: literally while we were like playing cello together, I was

875
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: getting the tea about this hot upper classman that she

876
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: was dating and who was named Jonathan at the time,

877
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: and he always sort of had like a senatorial air

878
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 1: to him, you know, he was always very and then

879
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 1: he went off to Um he's actually connected to my

880
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: my professional trajectory weirdly, and that he went off to

881
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:38,400
Speaker 1: Georgetown and was in an acapella group there, the Georgetown Chimes,

882
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:42,760
Speaker 1: and you were acapella boy and at Dartmouth. At Dartmouth

883
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: because I was I decided to go into acapella. I

884
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: kind of probably was always going to do acapella. I've

885
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: always had acapella energy. But part of the reason why

886
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: I decided to do it is because he brought the

887
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 1: Chimes back to Atlanta to our school, Paideia, and they

888
00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,160
Speaker 1: taught us all these songs. So I randomly know all

889
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 1: these Georgetown fight songs, Um my God. And then I

890
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: decided to go off to Dartmouth and join the Dartmouth

891
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 1: Airs and then the Airs, bringing it all the way

892
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: back around to reality television show. We competed on the

893
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: sing off Oh my God, you did not We were

894
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: runners up to pentaton What I forget? That's where Pedatonics comes.

895
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: And so that was my like introduction to Los Angeles.

896
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: It was my first time working on a lot we

897
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: shot on the Sony lot right down the street in

898
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: Culver City, and it was Yeah. So then I guess

899
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: I owe the Senator in my career. Wait, this is

900
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:44,560
Speaker 1: a wild little that is connect. Isn't that great? That's great?

901
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: But I have one thing. You were about to say

902
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: something about Elizabeth Olson. I thought when you said Elizabeth Olson,

903
00:53:50,040 --> 00:53:52,800
Speaker 1: I thought you meant Elizabeth Holmes. And so I was

904
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:55,000
Speaker 1: about to make a joke that she went off to

905
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: commit fraud. And that's why I was distancing myself from

906
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:02,040
Speaker 1: her because of that. They because of the of course,

907
00:54:02,239 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: of course, um, I think we still have to talk

908
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: about spice girls for a second. I think there's endless

909
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: there's endless conversations to be had about the impact. Were

910
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 1: we kids? Where we all kids who like red liner notes?

911
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: I like nothing had like captured me in such a way. Well,

912
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: first of all, I want to say, Clark, I watched

913
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: the naked performance as a child around that same age,

914
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 1: and I was I was not showbiz savvy enough to

915
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 1: be like that's fake. I was like, they're actually naked.

916
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: The boobs, their boobs are, their breasts are touching the chair.

917
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,799
Speaker 1: They were certainly in a believable state of undressed by one.

918
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: I would not shame yourself for that one. There was

919
00:54:47,200 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 1: movie magic happening, and the movie magic is some of

920
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: the most powerful magic. It's it's chaos. It's chaos magic

921
00:54:53,640 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 1: one chaos true that makes you which or the Ginger

922
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:05,760
Speaker 1: spice if you understand sort of comparison Ginger is Wanda.

923
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:09,080
Speaker 1: Was she the leader? Was she the leader? Let's just

924
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: let's decide it? And did they end after she left?

925
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: It was that it was really that was breaking first

926
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: sort of understanding of mortality in a way or or

927
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: something being finite. Yes, exactly. The good times don't last forever.

928
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:31,759
Speaker 1: They don't. They don't, they really don't. It felt like

929
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 1: it would. And also the fact that it was a

930
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: choice and such a conscious choice made me feel a

931
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: little bit betrayed, you know. And that was sort of

932
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:47,000
Speaker 1: my um introduction to heartbreak in a way. Absolutely, I

933
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: I that actually tracks so so neatly. I was heartbroken, heartbroken,

934
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: not easy. And it really was this thing of like

935
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: when like you know, goodbye or forever came out, I

936
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: was like, oh, this is this is my first real

937
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: understanding up close of what like thinking like, no, it's

938
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: not the same it's not the same. Something is lost,

939
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 1: something is lost here. And to answer Math's question, was

940
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:18,799
Speaker 1: Ginger the leader? I don't think she was. My My

941
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: relationship at the time with the Spicycles was that it's beautiful,

942
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 1: it's a group, it's girl power. It's all five of

943
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,359
Speaker 1: them being on the same level, same footing, not vocally even,

944
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:32,600
Speaker 1: but somehow they're each essential. And it kind of still

945
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: affirms the fact that once Ginger left, it still didn't

946
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: hold up. You know, it's it's exactly what you're saying.

947
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 1: It's like because there wasn't a leader, and like it

948
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,879
Speaker 1: felt like a limb was missing and the thing could

949
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,080
Speaker 1: not perform at the same poin like that it was

950
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: just all about the five of them member that when

951
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: they were saying feminism before everyone else, like in a

952
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 1: mainstream why like and that was her, that was like

953
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: her thing. She was the worry of the union, Jack,

954
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like she was so much

955
00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 1: of the visual identity of the group that for her

956
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 1: to leave. I think that's why I asked was she

957
00:57:03,840 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: the leader? Because she is so strongly identifiable, like the

958
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:11,800
Speaker 1: why she sang that was Reale sangang you know what

959
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean? With my nose went on. But you know

960
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like she was, Yeah, she was so

961
00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 1: visually and sonically what that group was. That's why I

962
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: think she gets confused as being the leader sometime. She

963
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: was just so much a part of it as anyone else.

964
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: There's a really great video on YouTube. I want to say.

965
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: It's a Vogue interview with Jerry where she's slipping through

966
00:57:34,840 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: her looks yes, yes, and she talks about the dress.

967
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 1: She talks about the creation of the Union Jack dress

968
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 1: and basically how it was an accident and sort of

969
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: puts interesting context to what was obviously an insane I mean,

970
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: it was only a year. It was only right, like

971
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 1: one year maybe almost two was the entire experience of

972
00:57:57,600 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: this Spice girls, like two or three nine. Yeah, it

973
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: was hard and fast, it was, and that in looking

974
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: back on that especially, you know, time obviously was processed

975
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: differently by us than being six and seven, um, than now.

976
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 1: But it felt like forever. It did not feel like

977
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: one year. It felt like ten. I just think about like,

978
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 1: especially in the context of like saying culture is for me,

979
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 1: or wanting to be a contributor to it or being

980
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: a part of it. It speaks to the overwhelming element

981
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: of a public life, of fame of any kind, of

982
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 1: notoriety of any kind. And how do you how do

983
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: you surf the wave when it's a tsunami? You know?

984
00:58:45,720 --> 00:58:49,240
Speaker 1: And yet they were pulling out every single moment in

985
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: that full year and a half two years was and

986
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: I hate to use this word because it's so overused,

987
00:58:55,680 --> 00:58:59,360
Speaker 1: but it was an iconic moment. The dress, the shoes,

988
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 1: the hair looks, the songs, the movie Ubiquity, the album

989
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: that they recorded while they were shooting the movie, you know,

990
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: like it was just and to quote the Iceberg, um,

991
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 1: what was it, twelve songs, no skips, was a banger.

992
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 1: Everything they released was amazing and upon a man, not

993
00:59:23,080 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 1: a bull. And then the iconic fun said do what

994
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: I know? You guys, if you saw me, you would

995
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,600
Speaker 1: understand it was gorgeous. But you're right, Clark, mother just

996
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: gave me a dirty look. They achieved a kind of

997
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:47,440
Speaker 1: fame that distorted time because we brought up the same

998
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: idea when we talked about Brittany after after after the

999
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: Brittany dot came out. But Brittany's whole ascension was like

1000
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: in like a three or four year span too, not

1001
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: three or four years, but like up until like Blackout,

1002
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:03,520
Speaker 1: when things just sort of like reached a hilt. It

1003
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: was like what or two six four or five six seven.

1004
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: I can't even do the math right now, you know

1005
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: what I'm saying a short amount of time. She had

1006
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 1: been around for like six years, and then she needed

1007
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: like a major reinvention. Like in the Zone was like

1008
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: what I think they would consider it a major reinvention

1009
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: for her, Like because she did the first three albums,

1010
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,160
Speaker 1: it was like maybe a one more time, oops, I

1011
01:00:29,240 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 1: did it again, Brittany. But she had those three albums

1012
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,200
Speaker 1: and then she needed to go away for like what

1013
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 1: was an unheard of at the time, like eight months

1014
01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: to go prepare a different identity. And it was in

1015
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: the Zone, which I which which then came out and

1016
01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: like was like a major change for her. But that

1017
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: the fact that that needed to happen because she it

1018
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 1: was so much in succession. Yeah, it's like that ubiquity

1019
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,760
Speaker 1: we were talking about. But for the Spice Girls, it

1020
01:00:56,840 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: was like it felt like a full textured career only

1021
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:10,480
Speaker 1: lasted to three years. Yes, insane and also at the

1022
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,520
Speaker 1: time it being like again like we talked about like

1023
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 1: they were truly famous. Everyone knew who they were, and

1024
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 1: nowadays it's like, you know, people are upset that this

1025
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 1: is like happening now with Little Mix. Like Little Mix,

1026
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 1: their fame has been spread out for literally ten years.

1027
01:01:26,280 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: They've they've they've it's been like a decade since they

1028
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 1: did The X Factor in the UK. Yeah, they're a

1029
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:34,280
Speaker 1: huge band, but they actually stuck around for way longer,

1030
01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 1: and like they're the most quote unquote successful girl group

1031
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 1: in the world, like and guaranteed, Like I would go

1032
01:01:41,400 --> 01:01:43,040
Speaker 1: as far as say, seven out of ten people in

1033
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:45,920
Speaker 1: America might not even know who they are. Whereas the

1034
01:01:46,120 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: Spice Girls, it was like if you didn't know who

1035
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 1: they were, you must have been dead darling. They were

1036
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: compared to. I mean, they're disdainfully so, because you know,

1037
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 1: the Beatles whole are such health in high regard, but

1038
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:02,120
Speaker 1: but they were heard to that level of fame and

1039
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: that sort of insanity. Um. I also we were also

1040
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: the target demographic for it, But but it did seem

1041
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: like beyond that there were people who at least were

1042
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: aware you couldn't escape it. They were everywhere, right, favorite

1043
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: Spice Girls song I was going to say, rank them,

1044
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,120
Speaker 1: rank the songs. Rank the girls, Rank the girls. Oh

1045
01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,040
Speaker 1: my god, I can rank the girls. I can't rank

1046
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: the songs. Well, I will give us rank the girls first,

1047
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: and then top three, Top three songs. Number one is,

1048
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: of course Baby, because of and because I will always

1049
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,959
Speaker 1: have a you know, she started my career. I owe

1050
01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 1: my career to her. She really Baby Spice and John also, um,

1051
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: and I guess Scary, I will say, you know, in

1052
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:56,480
Speaker 1: the context of identity and race, some of the things

1053
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: that I talked about in my podcast, I did have

1054
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of the like, you're the black person,

1055
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 1: so you have to be scary, of course, and so

1056
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Speaker 1: I sort of brushed up against that a lot when

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01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:10,760
Speaker 1: I was younger, and I think I overcorrected when I

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01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 1: was younger in not wanting to identify with scary only

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01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: because of our race. But I think now she is

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01:03:17,880 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: definitely up there. Of course, Jerry. I think right in

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Speaker 1: the middle, Jerry, And that's bold. Posh, uh, yeah, right

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01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 1: after miss Beckham, who I have a screenshot of. I

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01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: have a screenshot of David Beckham's Instagram story when he

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01:03:39,280 --> 01:03:44,640
Speaker 1: and presumably Posh watched Love Simon together in their screening

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01:03:44,680 --> 01:03:47,880
Speaker 1: room in their house. I loved love Simon. I thought

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01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 1: it was an amazing I loved Athan so much. He

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01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,760
Speaker 1: was a great character that I lost that and cried

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01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:59,920
Speaker 1: at with my beautiful children after my husband and I

1069
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: had sex all night. I never sleep. And then you're

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01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:10,840
Speaker 1: gonna rate Sporty last look like it? Okay? Interesting? Interesting, alright?

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01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: Now the vocals just don't matter to the vocals, don't

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01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:17,760
Speaker 1: It was more that like her, you know, they all

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01:04:17,800 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: had a stick, and her stick wasn't as um you

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01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:27,320
Speaker 1: know it was. I was sort of like you, girl,

1075
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna wear sweatpants on stage? Yeah, that's your look.

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01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: Your look is gonna be track suit. She was coming

1077
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,560
Speaker 1: for the tomboys, and there's there's not a tomboy here.

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01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,320
Speaker 1: She's very ahead of her time exactly. And that's the

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01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:42,640
Speaker 1: great thing about them is that they spoke to everyone.

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01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: I'm not in that demographic, but there were plenty of

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01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:49,479
Speaker 1: people in Sportings demographic, of course. Okay, So that now

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01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 1: three tracks that you find to be the most essential

1083
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,200
Speaker 1: Spice Girls songs. I think I have them. So do

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01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,080
Speaker 1: y'all want to go? Do you want me to go first? I?

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01:05:00,080 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 1: I can go first. I can go first. Um, I

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01:05:04,120 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 1: want to be obviously, Um, I gotta have it. And

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01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:12,560
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna say, um said to his favorite, why

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01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,640
Speaker 1: why am I forgetting the sun to become one? I

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01:05:15,720 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: want to be to become one, And I'm gonna say

1090
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: who do you think you are? Those are the three? Wow? Okay?

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01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: I would I would say want to be and to

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01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: become one, and I would remove who do you think

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01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:28,800
Speaker 1: you are? And I would put it in spice up

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01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 1: your life because I just get so hype when the

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01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:34,680
Speaker 1: when the drums start at the beginning of the and

1096
01:05:35,120 --> 01:05:42,160
Speaker 1: speaking of culture, when they were surfing black cabs at Olympics, yes, yes,

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01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 1: that was iconic and all five came back. It was

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01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,160
Speaker 1: Catharsis for everyone to see the all five of them

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01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 1: back because it was the last goddamn time. Because Victoria

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01:05:52,320 --> 01:05:55,240
Speaker 1: is too busy slang it in the fashion world. Have

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01:05:55,280 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 1: you seen her volus seventy three questions? It's a muscle,

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01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: it's comedy, it's comedy, it's her summer dress. She said,

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01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 1: I'm tendling scary and my sum address a perfect sum address.

1104
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:09,800
Speaker 1: Said that on her Instagram the other day. It was

1105
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,240
Speaker 1: very cute. You can buy the dress, They asked her

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01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:16,480
Speaker 1: if she wants to act, and she goes, um, what

1107
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: does she say? She says, um, I started in Spice

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01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,560
Speaker 1: world and I'm still waiting for my outstanding achievement a world.

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01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:28,400
Speaker 1: And then they asked like, what chat what what disease

1110
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 1: would you get rid of right now if you could?

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:35,680
Speaker 1: And she just without missing a beat, goes but just

1112
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,640
Speaker 1: the force with what she says, the conviction with what

1113
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 1: she says amazing. And she also there's a moment where

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01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,000
Speaker 1: she she goes, um, They're like, why don't you ever smile?

1115
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:48,120
Speaker 1: And she goes, I just tell people I'm smiling on

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01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:54,840
Speaker 1: the inside. Icon icon It's time. It's time for your

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01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:58,880
Speaker 1: three Spice girls. We gave you a breath. So number

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01:06:58,920 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 1: one for me is to become one. And the reason

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01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: why is it's actually connected with a power move that

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Speaker 1: I like to employ as a guest at a wedding.

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01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 1: I always sing at weddings, oist specifically when I've not

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01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: when I've either not been asked or expressly asked not

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01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,680
Speaker 1: to sing. Wow, you're basic. You're you're the guy with

1124
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: the guitar, but you don't have the guitar exactly. And

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01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,200
Speaker 1: what I do is I've locate let me tell you

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01:07:31,200 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 1: anyone who wants to do this, I locate the queen

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01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 1: with the headset, because that's the wedding planner, as we

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01:07:39,120 --> 01:07:43,200
Speaker 1: learned from you know, the wedding planner, sorry, Jennifer Lopez.

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01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: And I sidle up and I do my little gay

1130
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:54,880
Speaker 1: best friend. Hey girl, you know Dan, I'm like, I

1131
01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 1: so my gift to the bride and the groom. They

1132
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: don't know of this. It's a secret. It's a surprise.

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01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:06,160
Speaker 1: Can you help me? I enlist her, Oh my god.

1134
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 1: And then I sort of like find my way to

1135
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: the band. I find my way to whatever. And then

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01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: ideally they have no idea what's coming. The music starts

1137
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,400
Speaker 1: and then boom there I am. I sing to become one.

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01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: It's so forever. Let me say you believe it's a

1139
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 1: beautiful song. It's a beautiful song. We sang it. We

1140
01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 1: sang it with Catherine and Pat at Seek Treatment Live.

1141
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:43,479
Speaker 1: We sang it too bad? Which lyrics? Did you do? Um?

1142
01:08:43,640 --> 01:08:46,120
Speaker 1: Did you do? And I were singing and Pat and

1143
01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:49,680
Speaker 1: Cat were dancing. We like to sing the same thing

1144
01:08:49,720 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: at the same time. No, but but we split up

1145
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: the verse. Did you do mean specifically? I mean specifically um,

1146
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 1: did you do boys and girls look good together? Or

1147
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: love will lead us back to get together? I think

1148
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: we did together. Okay, there's a fault inclusive lyric there

1149
01:09:14,240 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 1: that you can do love that they that they did

1150
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:18,799
Speaker 1: that over time. But I think we did the text

1151
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: as written. I mean, we love the call to condom

1152
01:09:22,720 --> 01:09:25,320
Speaker 1: use in that song be a little bit wiser, Baby

1153
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:29,479
Speaker 1: put it on, Put it on. That was maybe I

1154
01:09:29,479 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 1: think Baby's most iconic moment when she would sing the

1155
01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: pre choruses and so yeah. But that that music video

1156
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: is New York culture because it was. It wasn't the

1157
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 1: first time I was like seeing like besides like troll

1158
01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: and Central Park or whatever, um it was, it was

1159
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: like these beautiful shots of Times Square and the Twin

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01:09:49,880 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 1: Towers and like the Brooklyn I was like, this is

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01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 1: I was like whatever, Like that place seems like the

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01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: most beautiful place in the world. And it made me

1163
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:03,400
Speaker 1: like and it and it is really honey New York.

1164
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 1: Frank Sinatra, eat your heart out. The quintessential New York

1165
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: musical moment is to become fucking posh spice. I don't

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01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:17,800
Speaker 1: know if it's post or scary, but by the courthouse,

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01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: just like city not even city Hall, the courthouse. At

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01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 1: the Courthouse honestly a very good video. They had good

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01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: videos to videos. Great, what's what's the sale be there?

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01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: That was like pretty iconic because the Wannabe was like

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01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:36,240
Speaker 1: as a as a music video, it is iconic, but

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01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: you can tell what this is when they had no budget,

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01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,280
Speaker 1: and then after that sound was a huge smash, Like

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01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: then they got a budget and we're gonna go to

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01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 1: the desert. They say they were going to say, we

1176
01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:47,360
Speaker 1: could pay for a truck now to take the girls

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01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:50,439
Speaker 1: out to the desert. We can pay for a twelve

1178
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:53,200
Speaker 1: pack of water bottles for the girls. We got a

1179
01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:58,040
Speaker 1: water budget. We got a water budget. So then number

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01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:03,559
Speaker 1: two close upon his naked of it's like they're basically tied.

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01:11:03,720 --> 01:11:05,920
Speaker 1: But the only reason why to become one is higher

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01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:09,559
Speaker 1: is because because I perform it at weddings when not asked.

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01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:13,760
Speaker 1: And then last is want to be and and specifically

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01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: the video and they're in the house and they're up

1185
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,280
Speaker 1: and down the stairs and they're right in the camera.

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01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:21,519
Speaker 1: It's a hotel in London that I think you can

1187
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 1: go with. Yeah, yeah, yeah, um, I will say those

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01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: are excellent choices. I'm gonna challenge my sister. I'm not

1189
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: gonna challenge my sister. I'm just gonna say, spice up

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01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 1: your life. I want to love. I want to I

1191
01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: want to love it so badly. Too chaotic to chaotic. See,

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01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 1: I think I like the chaos of it, especially because

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01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,320
Speaker 1: like they didn't really have a bigger song after that.

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01:11:45,400 --> 01:11:48,240
Speaker 1: I felt like they gave you everything and that one

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01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: big last song. But you know, it is a little one.

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01:11:52,280 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: Once you got into the I I was like, whatever

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01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,719
Speaker 1: is happening there? It was like sometimes in the mood,

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01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:02,400
Speaker 1: sometimes I'm not in the mood to be like shaken

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01:12:02,439 --> 01:12:06,160
Speaker 1: awake like that. There's value to it, of course, but

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01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: I would even Yes, this was not as big of

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01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 1: a hit as as the other stuff, but I'm I'm

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01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:19,040
Speaker 1: sooner listening to holler off of Forever Hollow, excellent song

1203
01:12:19,240 --> 01:12:22,960
Speaker 1: at the song just the four of them wonderful. Did

1204
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:30,840
Speaker 1: anyone say stop? Rat didn't? It was so like that

1205
01:12:31,160 --> 01:12:34,679
Speaker 1: that was everyone's bit for you know what I mean.

1206
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,519
Speaker 1: Anytime anyone said stopped, it was like, Oh, it's gonna come,

1207
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,240
Speaker 1: You're right. It was that for a while. It was

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01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,040
Speaker 1: dyinga it was the Supremes, and then when that song

1209
01:12:43,080 --> 01:12:44,680
Speaker 1: came like maybe stop in the name of it, but

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01:12:44,720 --> 01:12:49,320
Speaker 1: then stop came out and everyone would break into the

1211
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:51,760
Speaker 1: song if they if the words stopped managed to make

1212
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: it into the conversation it was on the nineties were

1213
01:12:54,520 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: a crazy time, truly. Before we move on from Spice Girls,

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01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 1: I do want to know everyone's face favorite comedic or

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01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: dramatic moment from the Spice World film. And I also

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01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: would like to reach out to all the readers who,

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01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 1: for chance might know a way we can watch the

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01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: Spice World film because, like Alaska said, I'll mis program

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01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 1: lost cultures and her I don't think so, Honey, you

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01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: can not get this film, So someone find a way

1221
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: to get us this film. Please, you be our favorite reader.

1222
01:13:25,400 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: But what is your favorite comedic or dramatic moment from

1223
01:13:29,479 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: Spice World? For me, it's the reveal sort of in

1224
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: like a doctor who tardest way that the inside of

1225
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: the bus is bigger than the outside when they walk

1226
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:45,799
Speaker 1: in and somehow magically they walk into a studio set

1227
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,720
Speaker 1: the sound stage that is somehow also on wheels and

1228
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 1: a double decker busy. Yes, beautiful things. I really bought it.

1229
01:13:53,720 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 1: I thought it was real and I was an idiot.

1230
01:13:57,640 --> 01:13:59,880
Speaker 1: It's like me with a naked performance. I'm like, it

1231
01:13:59,920 --> 01:14:02,200
Speaker 1: was exactly like that. And that's what made us sisters

1232
01:14:02,240 --> 01:14:04,720
Speaker 1: at a very young age. We were both idiots and

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01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 1: destined to be friends. I think I've said in the past,

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01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 1: because it is not available just to watch anywhere, I've

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01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 1: only seen it one or two times. Oh bo, and

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01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,559
Speaker 1: it would be your favorite film, it would be another film.

1237
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: But the moment that stands out to me that's just

1238
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 1: screamed at me and the most beautiful way, at the

1239
01:14:22,880 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: most beautiful frequency as a child was when Elton John

1240
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,719
Speaker 1: shows up out of nowhere and they all freak out

1241
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: and they're like Elton and I'm like, and that was

1242
01:14:31,400 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 1: the moment where I was like, these girls are so powerful.

1243
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:36,000
Speaker 1: I was like, these girls know Elton John, they are

1244
01:14:36,120 --> 01:14:40,320
Speaker 1: so powerful, and I will do I will, I will,

1245
01:14:40,360 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 1: I will do whatever they say. And so that's the moment.

1246
01:14:43,200 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 1: It was a flex that's that's neither a communic nor

1247
01:14:46,040 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 1: dramatic moment, but it was a moment that really was

1248
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:51,559
Speaker 1: like it was it was. It was like a moment

1249
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 1: of crossover culture. It was a moment of like pre Avengers,

1250
01:14:55,280 --> 01:14:59,799
Speaker 1: pre Kingdom Hearts, l O l pre whatever, me being like, wow,

1251
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 1: worlds can collide. I mean, these are real people, but

1252
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: in terms of that movie being the container for them

1253
01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: to cross paths, I go, oh my god, this I've

1254
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 1: never seen anything like this. My favorite moment in the

1255
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 1: film is famously when they are doing the obstacle course

1256
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:20,679
Speaker 1: and the four of them are going through the opposite

1257
01:15:20,760 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 1: course and you just see like all of a sudden,

1258
01:15:23,800 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: Victoria Beckham just walking Victoria Adams at the time, posh

1259
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: By is just walking around the opposite course in her

1260
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:32,680
Speaker 1: heels and this is what she's going to do for

1261
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:34,760
Speaker 1: the opposal course. She's not going to do it. She

1262
01:15:34,920 --> 01:15:38,599
Speaker 1: just struts alongside while the other girls like do it.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny. It's hilarious. And then there's another scene

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01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 1: later where they're in the hospital and they're waiting for

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01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 1: their friends to give birth, which is like the plot

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01:15:46,960 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 1: of the movie, like they're fresh giving birth. I have

1267
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:50,479
Speaker 1: to do a concert, but they want to be there

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01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:55,679
Speaker 1: for her, so like they're on the hospital and Jerry

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01:15:55,960 --> 01:16:00,800
Speaker 1: Jerry goes, I spy with my little eyes something blue

1270
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 1: and this is one of them goes hospital. Posh Spice

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01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: just goes shut up. Jerry and that's why she's doing

1272
01:16:11,840 --> 01:16:15,680
Speaker 1: her Outstanding Achievement Award. And from what awards body we

1273
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,000
Speaker 1: don't know, but we just know that the award is

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01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 1: called Outstanding Achievement Award. Give her her rewards. It's really

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01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:28,639
Speaker 1: culture number fifteen. Posh, Spice is do her standing her

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01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:33,799
Speaker 1: outstanding an award. Oh my god, Spice World, Oh my gosh.

1277
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 1: I just want to thank Clark for giving us the

1278
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: gift to talk about Spice and the Spice Girls, which

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01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 1: is itself truly, I mean, it's it was a gift,

1280
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: the gift of Spice, the gift of Spice, the gift

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01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: of Spice and sisterhood, Spice and Sisterhood another before we

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01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:51,960
Speaker 1: go into I don't think so, honey, because I feel

1283
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: it coming. I feel it. I brought another gift for

1284
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: the two of you, which is a story that I

1285
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:02,720
Speaker 1: have never hold anyone and I don't know how I

1286
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 1: made it through my press campaign without saying this story

1287
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: about love Simon a couple of years ago. But it

1288
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:13,680
Speaker 1: is a is an exclusive behind the scene, again specifically

1289
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: curated for the readers when we were shooting the film,

1290
01:17:21,080 --> 01:17:23,640
Speaker 1: um which we don't need to know. I can just

1291
01:17:23,680 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 1: call it the film the film. So my scene, the

1292
01:17:26,800 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: big Principles office scene, right the two of us were

1293
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: sitting there. I get my moment, I get my like,

1294
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:36,080
Speaker 1: this is us, let me tell you a story monologue moment.

1295
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: Greg Berlante, our director, at the end, we did a

1296
01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:43,760
Speaker 1: couple of takes of it, and he was like, I

1297
01:17:43,840 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: want you to, like sort of, you know, feel free

1298
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:48,600
Speaker 1: to add anything. And you want, you know, if you

1299
01:17:48,600 --> 01:17:50,479
Speaker 1: want to improv something, if you want to add like

1300
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,800
Speaker 1: a button, or if you want to add whatever. And

1301
01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,680
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, what could I possibly add? So

1302
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: then the next time we did the I think after

1303
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,960
Speaker 1: like take two were three. At the end of the monologue,

1304
01:18:03,080 --> 01:18:07,759
Speaker 1: right before we're called into the office, I looked at

1305
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:13,760
Speaker 1: Nick Robinson and I said these words, which were unfortunately

1306
01:18:13,800 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 1: cut from the film. I said, welcome to the Sisterhood. Ah.

1307
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,120
Speaker 1: They cut it. They cut and I said it a

1308
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,040
Speaker 1: million times. We did it in a bunch of takes,

1309
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 1: and and there were other pieces that were cut as well.

1310
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,479
Speaker 1: And I totally also get that it might not have

1311
01:18:30,560 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: been the right vibe for the Like, whatever they did,

1312
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,120
Speaker 1: I think they did a great job. I wanted to

1313
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:38,679
Speaker 1: share it with with y'all and with the readers, because

1314
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:41,439
Speaker 1: I feel like it was one of those like behind

1315
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:47,280
Speaker 1: the scenes little tidbits that maybe can make the experience,

1316
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,320
Speaker 1: uh just a little bit more special for any of

1317
01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: the true heads. You know, everyone doesn't need to welcome

1318
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: to the Sisterhood moment, but for my sisters, for my community.

1319
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:01,120
Speaker 1: Um I tried to shoehorn welcome to the Sisterhood in

1320
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:05,320
Speaker 1: and um I knew y'a would appreciate that, so we do.

1321
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,960
Speaker 1: And you know, I actually like when Love Simon came out.

1322
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:09,960
Speaker 1: I think a lot of queer people were being a

1323
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 1: little hard on it because like it was this very commercial,

1324
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:17,000
Speaker 1: like very much trying to be a movie about a

1325
01:19:17,040 --> 01:19:21,320
Speaker 1: gay kid for straight people. And I think that that's okay,

1326
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:23,400
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like I would rather see

1327
01:19:23,439 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 1: that than the millionth version of you know, Paper Kites

1328
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:30,639
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell it is, like whatever, like whatever

1329
01:19:30,720 --> 01:19:33,559
Speaker 1: movie that would get that budget. Like I'm happy there's

1330
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: a Love Simon, you know what I mean? Like of course,

1331
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,960
Speaker 1: like is it extremely white, yes, Like is it extreme?

1332
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:42,760
Speaker 1: Is it very much about someone with a lot of privilege? Yes,

1333
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:45,679
Speaker 1: it does not strip that None of those things stripped

1334
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 1: it of its value in a way, right, and I

1335
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 1: so I think, like, um, it's it's fucking great that

1336
01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:54,200
Speaker 1: you that you said that. Am I surprised they cut it, no,

1337
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,799
Speaker 1: because I think that probably they were trying to juggle

1338
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,080
Speaker 1: things in their head about how the straight audience that

1339
01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 1: was watching it we would respond to something like welcome

1340
01:20:03,479 --> 01:20:06,479
Speaker 1: to the sisterhood, like because that that line is going

1341
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,840
Speaker 1: to make some dad and the audience say, oh, so

1342
01:20:09,880 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 1: it's what I thought. He's a woman now, you know

1343
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:14,200
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, and it's just like just to

1344
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,680
Speaker 1: walk people through that, Like, I get why they cut it,

1345
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: but I also understand and appreciate that you said it.

1346
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:24,400
Speaker 1: That's like and thank you for telling us. Of course

1347
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:28,880
Speaker 1: we shared it just for you all these years. Well

1348
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 1: you were so memorable in that movie, and like we

1349
01:20:32,520 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 1: we loved it and we're just so happy that you're here.

1350
01:20:42,800 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 1: Now we're going to have a moment of what we

1351
01:20:48,920 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 1: do a segment called I don't think so honey, Well,

1352
01:20:51,560 --> 01:20:54,719
Speaker 1: take one minute to go off on something and culture.

1353
01:20:55,320 --> 01:21:04,320
Speaker 1: It's really chapping our our limbs, our limbs all our

1354
01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: asses in our limbs or our asses which are a

1355
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,360
Speaker 1: terminus of our legs. The legs end and start at

1356
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:15,400
Speaker 1: the ass people don't talk about that, but you're asked.

1357
01:21:15,400 --> 01:21:18,200
Speaker 1: It's really what just what your legs become? You know

1358
01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like, if you're a butt guy, I'm

1359
01:21:21,200 --> 01:21:25,639
Speaker 1: putting this on quotes, you're really a leg freak because

1360
01:21:25,640 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 1: guess what your legs end were the ass cracks? Oh

1361
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: rule culture number nine? Read culture number number nine? Your legs, legs, legs?

1362
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:45,040
Speaker 1: And where your as crass read? I wait to see

1363
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: that one illustrated read a book? Bitch? Um? Now, so

1364
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,719
Speaker 1: what do you have something? Um? You know? I think

1365
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,040
Speaker 1: I do? Okay, oh, I think I do. I hear

1366
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:57,439
Speaker 1: some conviction. I can't wait to hear this. This is

1367
01:21:57,439 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 1: Matt Rodgers is I don't think so, honey. As time

1368
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,200
Speaker 1: starts now, girl, I don't think so honey. American Idol

1369
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:05,760
Speaker 1: this season. I turned it on last night because I

1370
01:22:05,800 --> 01:22:08,280
Speaker 1: am very much convalescing, and I think my mother, who's

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01:22:08,320 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: sitting right here to my left, can agree. There's not

1372
01:22:10,520 --> 01:22:14,240
Speaker 1: one good person on that. Some people were like, oh,

1373
01:22:14,360 --> 01:22:16,000
Speaker 1: some of the girls are good, and I was watching

1374
01:22:16,040 --> 01:22:17,960
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, yeah, I get that there's good

1375
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,559
Speaker 1: singing happening, but like, where is the star quality on

1376
01:22:20,600 --> 01:22:24,599
Speaker 1: this program? I couldn't find it. So basically the judges

1377
01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:28,040
Speaker 1: are Katy Perry, Luke Bryant, who just announced today he

1378
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 1: has COVID. He's a celebrity in l A April twelve,

1379
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one, who's contracting COVID. I don't know

1380
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: how you do that, but he did, and Lionel Richie

1381
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 1: and they stand up an applaud for everyone, and I'm like, girl,

1382
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,800
Speaker 1: where is the critique. Also, they have them perform right

1383
01:22:43,880 --> 01:22:46,280
Speaker 1: after they figured out they made it into the finals,

1384
01:22:46,320 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: and so it's like they're so shaky and freaked out

1385
01:22:49,280 --> 01:22:51,040
Speaker 1: because they just found out they made it, and they

1386
01:22:51,080 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: sound pitchy. I don't think so, honey. If you're gonna

1387
01:22:53,840 --> 01:22:55,840
Speaker 1: do American, I don't do one more season. Bring back

1388
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 1: the original three. Simon, Paula, Randy, Let's go out with

1389
01:22:58,520 --> 01:23:01,160
Speaker 1: the bank, kill it to take it out back. That's

1390
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,400
Speaker 1: one minute, take it out back, kill it. The voice

1391
01:23:04,600 --> 01:23:08,680
Speaker 1: has surpassed it. Paula is going to fill in for

1392
01:23:08,760 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 1: Luke Bryan, who, again, I'll say, is on April twelve,

1393
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:15,800
Speaker 1: two thousand one in the Pandemic, a celebrity in l

1394
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,280
Speaker 1: A who contracted the coronavirus. I don't know how that

1395
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 1: let's let's not, let's not, you know, stigmatize getting the

1396
01:23:24,120 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 1: virus in some late or middle stage. I'm just saying

1397
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:34,639
Speaker 1: he's very protected citizen. Yes, yes, you're right, that is true.

1398
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:42,679
Speaker 1: But girl, I mean American idol is a flat right mom?

1399
01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 1: What'd she say? She said? Dan bird, dam bird? Not good.

1400
01:23:49,160 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: She's through her catchphrasing. There, she knows the assignment. She

1401
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:56,760
Speaker 1: understands the assignment. That's good branding. Oh, she's a great

1402
01:23:56,800 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 1: brand she and she understands that. To be sure? Were

1403
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:03,360
Speaker 1: you know we just watched the branding challenge of drag Race,

1404
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: a pointless episode. Oh, the the sodas, the soda pops.

1405
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 1: Who's soda crops? Did you think was the best? Mom

1406
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 1: you liked Simmons Simmons with Cement Simon one. Everybody's got

1407
01:24:16,360 --> 01:24:21,120
Speaker 1: a sweet tooth? Remember that one. Rose's What's good? My

1408
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: mom loves Rose. And I had to say in in

1409
01:24:23,960 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: rewatching the season, I think people, you know, I think that,

1410
01:24:27,479 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 1: especially people in New York who know Rose. I think

1411
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:32,320
Speaker 1: who are just used to go how good Rose is?

1412
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:37,560
Speaker 1: Are being hard on Rose. I think Rose, the the

1413
01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 1: gen Zers love her. The gen Zers love Rose. This

1414
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:44,840
Speaker 1: is what I've heard is that she's getting a lot

1415
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:46,600
Speaker 1: of um like a lot of the acode on my

1416
01:24:46,680 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: discovery page on my Instagram is like full of like

1417
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:52,880
Speaker 1: drag race metrics, analytics, and like I'm seeing a lot

1418
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:54,880
Speaker 1: of stuff like the top four. Sorry Clark, this is

1419
01:24:55,000 --> 01:24:58,720
Speaker 1: fully alienating. Um No, I mean it's why gen Z

1420
01:24:59,200 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 1: loving something is it makes me nervous. It's fascinating, it's fascinating. Well,

1421
01:25:03,479 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 1: it's just like they love Rose and like Rose's overwhelmingly

1422
01:25:07,360 --> 01:25:10,120
Speaker 1: winning like the polling quote unquote, not that it matters,

1423
01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:12,240
Speaker 1: but like um in the in the end, because it's

1424
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:15,160
Speaker 1: Rue's choice to make. Of course you gotta win the

1425
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,600
Speaker 1: route polling. Oh my god, the way I turned that,

1426
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: the way you turned that? But Rube, But sorry, gen

1427
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: Zers love Rose so interesting. You think that they would

1428
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,120
Speaker 1: go for Goot Mick, Got Mick, and they they do

1429
01:25:28,200 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 1: also love Gotmick. But there there's a there's a pretty

1430
01:25:30,200 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: big margin um or difference with between Rose and Got Mick.

1431
01:25:36,479 --> 01:25:38,760
Speaker 1: I am gonna I've decided just now, I'm gonna I'm

1432
01:25:38,760 --> 01:25:40,679
Speaker 1: gonna be real with mine. I'm gonna be a little

1433
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,600
Speaker 1: real okay, because you know what it is. Clark just

1434
01:25:43,720 --> 01:25:45,760
Speaker 1: inspired me. He shared something that he never did not

1435
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,599
Speaker 1: share on the press, on the on the press store

1436
01:25:47,680 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: for loves Simon. He got me to open up in

1437
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:51,120
Speaker 1: a way that I would have never opened up to

1438
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: like a professional journalist. And I'm about to open up

1439
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,439
Speaker 1: in a way that I would only tell my sisters.

1440
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,960
Speaker 1: All Right, well you heard it your first. We're getting

1441
01:26:01,160 --> 01:26:05,040
Speaker 1: raw and real and it's Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey.

1442
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:08,080
Speaker 1: His time starts now. I don't think so, honey. Any

1443
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: language around any cast member on SML right now saying

1444
01:26:11,680 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: Blank stole the show. Blank is carrying the show on

1445
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:20,800
Speaker 1: their backs. No, that erases the work of let's say,

1446
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:24,599
Speaker 1: nineteen other people on that cast. This is the biggest

1447
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:27,760
Speaker 1: cast the show has ever had. It's crazy, it's weird

1448
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 1: to navigate. Everyone is doing their best. Everyone is so

1449
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 1: un goodly talented in ways that no one in the

1450
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 1: audience can begin to understand. Internally, this is the vibe.

1451
01:26:40,200 --> 01:26:44,439
Speaker 1: We are all acknowledging each other's work, ethic and humor

1452
01:26:44,600 --> 01:26:48,440
Speaker 1: and different points of view and sensibilities, and it's a beautiful,

1453
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:52,720
Speaker 1: beautiful coexistence, and we all appreciate each other. And this

1454
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:56,840
Speaker 1: is a I can't believe this season of television that

1455
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:00,200
Speaker 1: I have weirdly been a part of coincidentally, I like,

1456
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,880
Speaker 1: how the fund did we get through this season? We're

1457
01:27:02,920 --> 01:27:06,479
Speaker 1: all doing our best, and we are all so so

1458
01:27:06,840 --> 01:27:09,960
Speaker 1: fucking funny that it's crazy to me to even suggest

1459
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:13,200
Speaker 1: that it's an individual thing and not a collective thing

1460
01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:15,759
Speaker 1: that like me, the quality of the show is slightly

1461
01:27:15,840 --> 01:27:18,120
Speaker 1: different than it was in the past, or it's goofy,

1462
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm totally running the clock at this point,

1463
01:27:20,160 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: but it's like it really bugs me with like bow

1464
01:27:23,560 --> 01:27:26,439
Speaker 1: and bow and yes, I'm I'm using myself as an

1465
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:28,640
Speaker 1: example because I've just been inundated with a little bit

1466
01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:32,600
Speaker 1: too much positive feedback. But I'm just like, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

1467
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 1: you guys don't get it. This is like like every

1468
01:27:35,760 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 1: single person on this show right now is is so

1469
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:43,559
Speaker 1: fucking good at this. That's all. It takes a village

1470
01:27:43,680 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: to that's all. And I don't I don't mean to

1471
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,320
Speaker 1: like signal anything beyond on a meta level of like

1472
01:27:49,560 --> 01:27:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm what, I truly believe this in my heart, I

1473
01:27:52,760 --> 01:27:56,680
Speaker 1: go wow, like I can't believe what goes on at

1474
01:27:56,720 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: the show, like and the heartbreak that goes into like

1475
01:27:59,479 --> 01:28:02,880
Speaker 1: the creative process when things like dope come to term

1476
01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:05,439
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm just like, y'all, like, it's not as

1477
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 1: it's not quite as like it's survivorship by it's it's

1478
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:10,720
Speaker 1: like you're only seeing the stuff that makes it onto

1479
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 1: the show. You're not seeing the stuff that didn't make it.

1480
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:18,960
Speaker 1: That like is just as I don't know, great wonderful

1481
01:28:19,240 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 1: funny anyway, I think that's just a way that people, Um,

1482
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:29,599
Speaker 1: that's one mode of people expressing themselves is too sort

1483
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 1: of like in lifting one thing up put down another thing.

1484
01:28:33,200 --> 01:28:37,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I know what happens, so it's like it's

1485
01:28:37,479 --> 01:28:39,519
Speaker 1: but I also think, like it's what you're saying is

1486
01:28:39,560 --> 01:28:42,519
Speaker 1: true that like, but it feels zero sum. It feels

1487
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:46,080
Speaker 1: like what now just yeah yeah. But but also like

1488
01:28:46,560 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: at the very heart of that is everyone being very

1489
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:52,360
Speaker 1: proud of you and excited for you that you've done

1490
01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:55,680
Speaker 1: so well. But also you're right, it's I appreciate that

1491
01:28:55,880 --> 01:28:58,599
Speaker 1: that piece and all the pieces don't get made without

1492
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,040
Speaker 1: like a million people were in their sucking ass off

1493
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:03,840
Speaker 1: on it, especially at that show where it's like literally

1494
01:29:04,520 --> 01:29:06,680
Speaker 1: all hands on deck, you know what I mean. It

1495
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: must feel a little weird to get a feedback that's

1496
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:12,280
Speaker 1: like if it wasn't for this person, and I wouldn't watch.

1497
01:29:12,479 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 1: It's just this is crazy. It's like it's it's it's

1498
01:29:16,240 --> 01:29:18,080
Speaker 1: weird and like and and and it's it's a show

1499
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 1: that engenders a lot of strong opinions because people have

1500
01:29:22,720 --> 01:29:25,599
Speaker 1: associations with it, whether they're very emotional or whether they're

1501
01:29:25,640 --> 01:29:28,120
Speaker 1: like disillusioned by it. And like, I totally get the

1502
01:29:28,200 --> 01:29:30,479
Speaker 1: crowd of people out there who are like sl sucks

1503
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,920
Speaker 1: and hasn't been funny. I'm just like, yeah, great in

1504
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:36,160
Speaker 1: terms of like, but in terms of a form of

1505
01:29:36,280 --> 01:29:41,720
Speaker 1: praise being packaged in like this person is exceptional in

1506
01:29:41,840 --> 01:29:45,000
Speaker 1: this way. I'm like, there's it's not the exception though.

1507
01:29:45,280 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 1: The rule. The rule is that the people who are

1508
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:53,240
Speaker 1: on that show have some reason to be there, you know,

1509
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:57,800
Speaker 1: like have some like have proven something by virtue of

1510
01:29:57,880 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 1: just being on the show. It's just am I am

1511
01:29:59,760 --> 01:30:02,120
Speaker 1: I like out of line. I don't think it's so crazy.

1512
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 1: And I also think this speaks to what I feel,

1513
01:30:06,120 --> 01:30:09,920
Speaker 1: what I've always felt in terms of like receiving feedback

1514
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 1: either positive or negative. It's like, especially the negative, I

1515
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,280
Speaker 1: feel like we're taught how to deal with we're taught

1516
01:30:16,320 --> 01:30:19,719
Speaker 1: to ignore the comments were talked to, you know, process

1517
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:22,519
Speaker 1: it in whatever way. But the positive can be even

1518
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,800
Speaker 1: more overwhelming because what do you do with it? And

1519
01:30:26,080 --> 01:30:28,479
Speaker 1: and then because if there's so much of it, or

1520
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:31,760
Speaker 1: if it's also in a specific way, like how do

1521
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,640
Speaker 1: you process that? Is it real? You know, if the

1522
01:30:34,720 --> 01:30:37,920
Speaker 1: bad wasn't real, then how can the good be? Really?

1523
01:30:38,200 --> 01:30:41,559
Speaker 1: My mind goes on this on this whole journey as well. Yeah, yeah,

1524
01:30:41,560 --> 01:30:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm sure I can't imagine. Yeah, And it's also very

1525
01:30:44,280 --> 01:30:47,000
Speaker 1: good to be conscious of ego, you know what I mean,

1526
01:30:47,120 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: because it's like, that's that's really I think where it

1527
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:52,920
Speaker 1: gets tripped up is because like what if you were

1528
01:30:52,960 --> 01:30:55,479
Speaker 1: to believe one day that you were the only person

1529
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,280
Speaker 1: to make the show run? Like that's crazy. So basically

1530
01:30:58,360 --> 01:31:00,960
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, it's it's it's all. And

1531
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:04,280
Speaker 1: that's another reason. It's another it's another argument for getting

1532
01:31:04,640 --> 01:31:07,200
Speaker 1: literally offline. And I have to say, I activate on

1533
01:31:07,240 --> 01:31:09,680
Speaker 1: my Twitter again today. Well do you wanna what I

1534
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:11,400
Speaker 1: did this time? So all the other times they got

1535
01:31:11,439 --> 01:31:14,120
Speaker 1: off Twitter, I deactivated it but kept the window open

1536
01:31:14,200 --> 01:31:16,840
Speaker 1: for twelve months. This time I did it for thirty days.

1537
01:31:16,880 --> 01:31:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think this is it. I think this

1538
01:31:18,720 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 1: is the last this is the last leg um commitment.

1539
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: Yes commitment. I just but I just want to like

1540
01:31:24,479 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 1: just just just um compound what you guys are saying,

1541
01:31:27,080 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: which is like the the the the oversimplified way that

1542
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: I can think of this now is that like you

1543
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:37,280
Speaker 1: have to examine question whatever the positive on the same

1544
01:31:38,320 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 1: with the same scrutiny that you would with the negative.

1545
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 1: The best advice I've ever gotten was from one of

1546
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,280
Speaker 1: the producers on the thing off right towards the end,

1547
01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:48,800
Speaker 1: as she was like, your career is going to go well,

1548
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:52,679
Speaker 1: you are, you are going in a really positive direction.

1549
01:31:52,880 --> 01:31:55,680
Speaker 1: I believe in you. And she said the advice that

1550
01:31:55,720 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: I will give you is they are never you are

1551
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:03,800
Speaker 1: never as good or as bad as That is how

1552
01:32:03,880 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 1: I process all of it because because yeah, the good

1553
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: can be really overwhelming. And also the other thing too

1554
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:12,599
Speaker 1: is like a lot of people when they say something,

1555
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: they say in a moment, they're not all the time,

1556
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:17,880
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it's like it's something

1557
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:20,400
Speaker 1: I also think that can happen with social media is

1558
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,800
Speaker 1: like you know, someone tosses off a mean or positive

1559
01:32:24,000 --> 01:32:27,840
Speaker 1: comment and you think that person is obsessed with me. No,

1560
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:31,880
Speaker 1: they said it in a second. It's a fleeting thought

1561
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:35,920
Speaker 1: that like is it is now like sort of written

1562
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: in ink Mark Zuckerberg. Um, but yeah, anyway, um social

1563
01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: network quote anyway, Oh my god, I got I got

1564
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,840
Speaker 1: a little Volney, I got it. I got real because

1565
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: it's fine and we love that anyway. So um, but

1566
01:32:51,320 --> 01:32:54,519
Speaker 1: it's because Clark is here. It's because Clark, Clark. Clark

1567
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:59,160
Speaker 1: opens the floodgates of of of von the Clark effect.

1568
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:02,519
Speaker 1: It's the Park effect. And right now we're going to

1569
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:06,719
Speaker 1: actually experience the Clark effect in uh in rare form

1570
01:33:07,439 --> 01:33:12,639
Speaker 1: as Clark endeavors to complete. And I don't think so, honey, Clark,

1571
01:33:12,760 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: the moment is here. Are you Are you ready for it?

1572
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:17,519
Speaker 1: Teller Swift definitely not. But I will give it a

1573
01:33:17,640 --> 01:33:21,800
Speaker 1: good I'll give it an old college try, Dartmouth try. Now, wait,

1574
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,240
Speaker 1: what before we get this, did you at Dartmouth doing acapella?

1575
01:33:24,320 --> 01:33:26,800
Speaker 1: Ever experienced the n y U and harmonics out in

1576
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:32,679
Speaker 1: the wild? Of course? Yeah? Ali Stroker, Oh wow, we're

1577
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 1: now represented by the same manager. Rachel Saltzman, shout out,

1578
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:40,759
Speaker 1: she salts They did. They did a cover of Billy

1579
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:46,559
Speaker 1: Ray was a preach. Just yeah, it's an incredible cover

1580
01:33:46,800 --> 01:33:49,800
Speaker 1: of It's so good. It's on YouTube. It's worth it's

1581
01:33:49,800 --> 01:33:53,240
Speaker 1: worth thinking into. This was the riff okay, y good?

1582
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:59,800
Speaker 1: Is it always no matter it's a Stunn name. Are

1583
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,800
Speaker 1: you used to love them? I used to love I designed.

1584
01:34:03,000 --> 01:34:07,519
Speaker 1: I designed their first album. I remember design. I remember

1585
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,400
Speaker 1: the terrible design. I did a terrible job. I still

1586
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: think to they stay about how I did not do

1587
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,920
Speaker 1: them justice, because I'm sure they loved us, why they

1588
01:34:14,040 --> 01:34:15,920
Speaker 1: used it. I also like I wanted to audition for

1589
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:18,439
Speaker 1: them so bad, but was busy with Hammercats and wasn't

1590
01:34:18,479 --> 01:34:21,479
Speaker 1: like confident enough to go. They were way better than

1591
01:34:21,560 --> 01:34:25,719
Speaker 1: we were. They were like they were like legit, legit, legit. Yeah.

1592
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 1: Our our charm and our stick was this sort of

1593
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:35,320
Speaker 1: like good old boy, you know, like mediocre sounding white

1594
01:34:35,439 --> 01:34:39,160
Speaker 1: guy vibe. That was like where we live. That was

1595
01:34:39,240 --> 01:34:43,960
Speaker 1: the dartmouth acapella vibe got up. Whereas n y U

1596
01:34:44,040 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 1: and arms their thing, their thing, I'm not kidding you,

1597
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:51,519
Speaker 1: was they riff down, they look hot, and they do drugs.

1598
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:54,760
Speaker 1: That was literally their thing. And they can drag me

1599
01:34:54,840 --> 01:34:57,439
Speaker 1: for that, but that was your thing. And I don't

1600
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:58,960
Speaker 1: know that was that was the thing, and it was

1601
01:34:59,080 --> 01:35:01,640
Speaker 1: it was it was like it was like it was

1602
01:35:01,720 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: like they were like a scary hot acapella group. Ye. Anyway,

1603
01:35:06,800 --> 01:35:11,679
Speaker 1: but it's time Clark mar your I don't think so, honey,

1604
01:35:11,960 --> 01:35:18,120
Speaker 1: begins now. I don't think so, honey, headaches. Okay, you

1605
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:23,120
Speaker 1: really are that bitch you come into my brainscape, I

1606
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:27,240
Speaker 1: at least expect you. You thoroughly ruin my life. You

1607
01:35:27,360 --> 01:35:33,880
Speaker 1: take away my vision, my productivity, jois de vis, my personality,

1608
01:35:34,640 --> 01:35:38,400
Speaker 1: and my general will to live. As the kids say,

1609
01:35:38,640 --> 01:35:42,480
Speaker 1: you are living rent free in my brain and it's

1610
01:35:42,560 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 1: time for you to get the respected. Oh, there are

1611
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:50,479
Speaker 1: no squatters rights in my freefrontal cortex, and honey, you

1612
01:35:50,600 --> 01:35:54,160
Speaker 1: are way past do I know? You always come up

1613
01:35:54,240 --> 01:35:57,439
Speaker 1: with excuses. You're trying to blame your existence on anything

1614
01:35:57,479 --> 01:36:04,439
Speaker 1: you can, my dehydration, my insomnia, the barometric pressure of venice. Bitch. Ay,

1615
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:10,640
Speaker 1: time you start taking accountability. Okay, my cerebellum is closed

1616
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:14,519
Speaker 1: to you, headaches. I don't think so, honey. You are

1617
01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:19,160
Speaker 1: not welcome here. Wow, that's one minute. You know, as

1618
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,439
Speaker 1: someone who has been dealing with a lot of tile

1619
01:36:21,439 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 1: at all extra strength recently, I am with you, sister headaches.

1620
01:36:25,720 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 1: Just had your right headaches come in and they're like

1621
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,320
Speaker 1: they're that neighbor that pops spy, that's like no reason

1622
01:36:31,479 --> 01:36:33,600
Speaker 1: just wanted to It's like there's no reason that they

1623
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:37,639
Speaker 1: should be there. It's it's like Agatha all along. It's

1624
01:36:37,680 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 1: Agnes coming in as just checking in Onwanda, without the reveal,

1625
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:46,240
Speaker 1: without without the fun reveal, without the fun reveal of

1626
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:49,719
Speaker 1: Catherine Han the reveal. The reason is actually also chaos magic.

1627
01:36:49,880 --> 01:36:54,000
Speaker 1: That's why we get headaches. Yeah, yeah, they're amongst my

1628
01:36:54,120 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 1: least favorite things in the world. I would say headaches,

1629
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 1: canker sores, um, coughing, fit, common cold. So these are

1630
01:37:02,280 --> 01:37:05,360
Speaker 1: things that just don't want. A tooth hurts darling. These

1631
01:37:05,400 --> 01:37:08,479
Speaker 1: are things that don't need to happen, but often do. Um.

1632
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:12,559
Speaker 1: What is what is your pain reliever of choice? Um?

1633
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 1: I have some, I have some holistic remedies and I

1634
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:20,040
Speaker 1: have and of course you know hyperproofan. I try to

1635
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 1: stay away from it though, because excuse me, I don't

1636
01:37:22,880 --> 01:37:25,439
Speaker 1: like to take a leave a lot leave though I

1637
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 1: used to take Adville. Apparently a leave has a longer

1638
01:37:28,360 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 1: half life, so it lasts longer but when you were

1639
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,640
Speaker 1: pre met, you know, just half life. Oh yeah, I

1640
01:37:34,720 --> 01:37:37,240
Speaker 1: know what that means. Does I mean it's more shelf

1641
01:37:37,400 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 1: stable quote unquote talking about it's got jams releasing the

1642
01:37:44,560 --> 01:37:48,400
Speaker 1: I think it just like lasts longer. So like the headache,

1643
01:37:48,720 --> 01:37:51,880
Speaker 1: the medicine works longer. You know what's interesting, I was

1644
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: not a lot. I have to be on tile and

1645
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:56,080
Speaker 1: all right now because they say that all the other

1646
01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 1: pain relievers, hyperprofen, advil, etcetera, they're all they thin your

1647
01:38:00,080 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 1: blood blood dinners. Yeah, so I didn't know that. One

1648
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:06,160
Speaker 1: of the holistic things that actually does work for me

1649
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:10,560
Speaker 1: is peppermint oil. And it always has worked for me,

1650
01:38:10,800 --> 01:38:14,240
Speaker 1: both because I think it opens up some pathways. I

1651
01:38:14,360 --> 01:38:17,040
Speaker 1: usually get sinus headaches in the front and so the

1652
01:38:17,040 --> 01:38:20,240
Speaker 1: peppermint oil, I put it on my um, upper lip,

1653
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:23,920
Speaker 1: on my temples, and then I put it in between

1654
01:38:24,080 --> 01:38:26,880
Speaker 1: my How does one describe this in between the thumb

1655
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:30,920
Speaker 1: and first index finger? Because this is all that we

1656
01:38:31,080 --> 01:38:34,040
Speaker 1: call that. We called out the smash mouth the l

1657
01:38:34,120 --> 01:38:39,120
Speaker 1: on her well put it in the smash mouth. Um,

1658
01:38:39,200 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 1: there's a pressure point there. Um. And I also have

1659
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:46,519
Speaker 1: this little thing that like squeezes, it's it clips onto

1660
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:50,600
Speaker 1: my smash mouth and it squeezes the pressure point and

1661
01:38:50,920 --> 01:38:53,200
Speaker 1: that helps with the headache as well. Look at that

1662
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:58,120
Speaker 1: he's healing the I'm giving you practical advice, private practice,

1663
01:38:58,240 --> 01:39:02,200
Speaker 1: a holistic prac justin in Venice and Santa Monica near

1664
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:07,639
Speaker 1: Son with no accreditation. So please don't sue me. Listen, Oh,

1665
01:39:07,800 --> 01:39:10,120
Speaker 1: I think we are. We are not going to sue.

1666
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:12,960
Speaker 1: We're not going to see work. We've kept Clark over time.

1667
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,639
Speaker 1: I rudely had to push this whole thing back once

1668
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:19,240
Speaker 1: and do it and do it again near minutes before

1669
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna let Clark go. But this was this was healing.

1670
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: This was so fun. Thank you for having me. I

1671
01:39:26,400 --> 01:39:29,719
Speaker 1: love y'all so much. Thank you for being on my show.

1672
01:39:29,920 --> 01:39:33,040
Speaker 1: I'm so glad that we've closed out the loop here. Yes,

1673
01:39:33,479 --> 01:39:39,000
Speaker 1: um and you both have brought such a validation to

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Speaker 1: the pod. I was gonna say validation. I'm not even kidding.

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Speaker 1: I think people take it more seriously now. And your

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Speaker 1: two episodes are no way, it's all you, It's all you, baby.

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Speaker 1: They're the most listened to episodes of all and um

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Speaker 1: that is probably for a reason. So thank you guys,

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Speaker 1: and especially Bowen. Thank you for doing it before it

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Speaker 1: even existed. You know it could have been literally anything,

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Speaker 1: and you jumped in in those early days. So thank you. Well.

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Speaker 1: We are great fans and great admirers and great friends. Yes,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the sisterhood. Everyone listened to soul Bomb. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you gotta listen to bomb. Um and uh, just let's

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Speaker 1: listen to and watch everything that Clark does. Haven't come

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Speaker 1: on bowen, Uh we are going to. I'm we're going

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Speaker 1: to bravely still finish with the song. And um, I

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Speaker 1: think you know what it is. I think you know

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Speaker 1: what it is. Billy Ray was visit, coming along let together,

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Speaker 1: and start started talking that some billy would take me

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Speaker 1: walk in the back yard. How do we go walking?

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Speaker 1: To my eyes, those massive prize and the only one

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Speaker 1: to hell, let's teach me was this each a man,

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Speaker 1: a British woman singing like a southern Memphis bell. I

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Speaker 1: love it. Bye bye