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Speaker 2: Rass Out on Twitter says, is the talent gap in

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Speaker 1: So I think I could see them being dramatically better,

431
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Speaker 1: even if they're not an eleven win team. Dramatically better

432
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Speaker 1: means eight nine wins.

433
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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were five and seven last year. They were

434
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Speaker 2: a mess on offense, and I do think if anything

435
00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 2: good came from last season, I think they found their

436
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 2: quarterback and at least on the surface. I know Jimbo's

437
00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:01,000
Speaker 2: comments in the offseason about who's calling play and that

438
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 2: sort of thing has been weird, to say the least,

439
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: but they've at least signaled some motivation to try and

440
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:09,359
Speaker 2: change the offense for the better by bringing in Bobby Patrino.

441
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 2: They've also got a ton back from last year's team.

442
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 2: They're not starting fresh. They were very young last season,

443
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,040
Speaker 2: and I feel like down the stretch they may have

444
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 2: figured some of that stuff out. So A and M

445
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: was actually first on my list. I'm glad you mentioned them.

446
00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I also look at some of the teams that

447
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 1: finished strong last year as they sort of get into

448
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: a rhythm, and I don't know if that necessarily statistically,

449
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: and the data points to like, oh, you win your

450
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Speaker 1: final four or five, even if you started slow, you'll

451
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,160
Speaker 1: be good the next season. But a team like South

452
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Speaker 1: Carolina is interesting to me, a really positive recruiting class.

453
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Speaker 1: It seems like there's a lot of momentum. They lose

454
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Speaker 1: a couple key players for the portal, so that's disappointing

455
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Speaker 1: with A. Marshaon Lloyd and Jaheen Bell both left. But

456
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Speaker 1: I think there's a good amount of momentum in Colombia

457
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Speaker 1: and they go to a bowl game last year, and

458
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Speaker 1: I get a major improvement like what seven and five

459
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Speaker 1: last year, And so South Carolina is an interesting answer.

460
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Speaker 1: Maybe in the next couple of years to keep showing improvement.

461
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Speaker 1: Otherwise I don't know. I look at quarterback injuries. I

462
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Speaker 1: look at teams that did a very specific thing well,

463
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 1: like Iowa States. Interesting to me, they made a change

464
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Speaker 1: at offensive coordinator. They played excellent defense by and large

465
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Speaker 1: last year, and they had a down year and a

466
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Speaker 1: tough Big twelve. That to me seems like they're a

467
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Speaker 1: candidate where they got a little bit too much fluff,

468
00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 1: a little bit too much hype coming off of you know,

469
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Speaker 1: they win the Fiesta Bowl against Oregon and they return

470
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Speaker 1: all those players and they're like, Okay, Matt Campbell's the

471
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 1: next big thing, and then they stop figuring out offense,

472
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Speaker 1: and so they make that change. They seem like they

473
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Speaker 1: could be a candidate if they're able to at least

474
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Speaker 1: field an average offense. They should have another good defense

475
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Speaker 1: this year. I think Iowa State's a candidate for major improvement.

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Speaker 2: I would throw Auburn in there as well. I think

477
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Speaker 2: Auburn will be a lot better. It is an SEC

478
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Speaker 2: West schedule, which is not easy. They also have Georgia

479
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Speaker 2: from the east, which is not great.

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Speaker 1: They always do.

481
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Speaker 2: The lines would be better on both sides for all

482
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Speaker 2: of Hugh Freeze's baggage. I think he'll reboot the fairly quickly.

483
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Speaker 2: It is going to feel more organized on that side.

484
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Speaker 2: I'll also take a flyer on Kentucky.

485
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Speaker 1: Well, can I can I follow up on Auburn?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, please.

487
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Speaker 1: Robbie Ashford, Auburn or transfer portal quarterback to be named

488
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Speaker 1: Casey Thompson, ob like is painting and improving along the lines.

489
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Speaker 1: I don't know why I said painting on the lines.

490
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Speaker 1: I'm a very silly person. Is improving there enough with

491
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Speaker 1: a quarterback who I'm not gonna put words in your mouth.

492
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Speaker 1: But I don't necessarily feel comfortable with Robbi Ashford being

493
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Speaker 1: a downfield threat for an improvement.

494
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Speaker 2: No, I don't either. I don't either, and I think

495
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 2: it's more that's their lines. But yeah, the line play

496
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,239
Speaker 2: was just so bad last year for Auburn. It was

497
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Speaker 2: so bad. And if only he can get some semblance

498
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Speaker 2: of organization and stability up front, which I believe he

499
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Speaker 2: can do. They were very active in the portal on

500
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Speaker 2: both lines. I believe that that can give them a

501
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Speaker 2: little bit of a springboard. Bear in mind that Auburn

502
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 2: was five and seven last year. Can Auburn go eight

503
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Speaker 2: and four? I think it's possible.

504
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Speaker 1: Notable stability bringer, you freeze, You'll take eight.

505
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 2: And four though after five and seven?

506
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: Sure?

507
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: All right, yeah that counts as major improvement. Let's go

508
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: to Banu, who is one of our board members from

509
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 2: a year ago. Oh hell yeah? Who will be Alabama's

510
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 2: starting quarterback this season. We talked about this a little

511
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Speaker 2: bit on the last show.

512
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Speaker 1: M hmm.

513
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 2: There has been a new quote brought to my attention

514
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Speaker 2: courtesy of our friends over at on three.

515
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Speaker 1: Did you see this? Do you know what that reference is?

516
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,959
Speaker 1: By the way, be on three title?

517
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 2: Is it like on three on three? Ready break?

518
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

519
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, good job?

520
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:48,840
Speaker 1: Continue quote.

521
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Speaker 2: What I was told about this quarterback situation as a whole,

522
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Speaker 2: with bringing in Tyler Buckner was that Alabama is looking

523
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,200
Speaker 2: for their stetson Bennett. Ma'am. That's a real quote.

524
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 1: That's a tough, tough thing to say.

525
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: That is a real quote. JD.

526
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 1: Piquel, what what I understand the heart and spirit of

527
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: that where you're trying to find somebody who's not necessarily

528
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: a first round pick like Alabama has had. But if

529
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: you can't find that somebody who's just a winner, right,

530
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 1: but they don't have anything in common. Of course they

531
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: have nothing in common. What Yeah, I can't really explain

532
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: it further than that. Who's in the Alabama's starting quarterback?

533
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: I if I had to wager ty Simpson, but I

534
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,840
Speaker 1: don't know. I definitely don't know. He looked to be

535
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: the most comfortable and confident in Tommy Reese's offense at times.

536
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: But Jalen Molrou has a really nice arm, and obviously

537
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 1: you can move. I don't see it with Tyler Buckner.

538
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: But again, like we mentioned on our Internal Affairs show,

539
00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: at some point, Tommy Reese sent Tyler Buckner a text

540
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 1: or had a phone call that included, Bro, you can

541
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Speaker 1: win this. You can absolutely be just quarterback.

542
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: I don't get it, man, I don't get it. I

543
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:15,439
Speaker 2: don't get it. And I don't want to be mean

544
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: to Buckner because nobody was higher on Buckner than me. Right,

545
00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: I was all in a by I love the backup

546
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: quarterback at Notre Dame. You know this's about me after

547
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 2: fifteen years of doing this show. But Alabama fans will

548
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 2: see Tyler Buckner's throwing motion on the first pass, and

549
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 2: they'll be like, oh God, what have we gotten ourselves into.

550
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: They don't want this, They're not.

551
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: Going to want this. Tyler Buckner gets hurt against Marshall

552
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: last year, that's the game he got hurt in. Uh yeah,

553
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: let's just imagine a universe. Let's just do a thought exercise.

554
00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 1: Tyler Buckner last year. Would a healthy Tyler Buckner all

555
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: season long is going to be more effective than Drew Pye.

556
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 2: Correct?

557
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely, that we definitely agree on one hundred percent. So

558
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: Tyler Buckner is likely beating klemb in very similar fashion,

559
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,480
Speaker 1: which was a lot of power rushing and turning Clemson

560
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: over all those things. So that was the defense Tyler

561
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: Buckner is. Who did he play against Stanford in that loss?

562
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 2: No, Buckner didn't play in that game. He was out

563
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:13,719
Speaker 2: all year.

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00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: He played the bowl game, right, so he doesn't really

565
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: he plays like the first couple games. So Tyler Buckner,

566
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,719
Speaker 1: with a full season of experience, probably gets more comfortable

567
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,680
Speaker 1: running a major offensive program or a major offense for

568
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: a major program, right. Sure, Like we're saying he's probably

569
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit less careless with the ball.

570
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Speaker 1: He's probably going to pick his spots to run, He's

571
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: probably going to know when to throw it away. He's

572
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: probably going to, you know, have a better rapport with

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Speaker 1: report Rubhoor with receivers over the course of the season.

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Speaker 1: So we assume on a certain level, if Tommy Rees

575
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Speaker 1: is a good offensive coordinator and Notre Dame has enough

576
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: offensive line and receiving talent. It wasn't a star power

577
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: studded receiving room, but there's receiving talent, there's Michael Mayer.

578
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Speaker 1: That Tyler Buckner becomes a pretty good quarterback for a

579
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:03,880
Speaker 1: pretty good team, right, Sure, that's not a crazy thing

580
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: to extrapolate.

581
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Speaker 2: No, it isn't.

582
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Speaker 1: I just so if if in that universe, that's Bennett

583
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Speaker 1: in that universe, In that universe, if Tyler Buckner is

584
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: a pretty good quarterback for a pretty good team playing

585
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: big name opponents and improves over the course of the season,

586
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: and then he transfers to Alabama, you're a little disappointed, right.

587
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Speaker 2: I'm I'm dumbfounded by that quote. Dan, I can't get

588
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: past a quote.

589
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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm just I'm not saying that I'm a Buckner fan.

590
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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm a buck believer. Of course he's

591
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: better than Drew Pine. So he's better than Drew Pine,

592
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: and he improves over the course of the season for

593
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Speaker 1: Notre Dame to whatever extent, to whatever his ceiling is

594
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Speaker 1: under Tommy Reese. I just I'm I am just saying

595
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Speaker 1: there is a universe in which Tyler Buckner is not

596
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Speaker 1: necessarily Stetsan Bennett, who was an excellent quarterback for Georgia

597
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: and winning national titles. But Tyler Buckner is somebody who

598
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Speaker 1: can operate with comfort in an offense for a major place.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of stets and Bennett, I'm trying to just see

600
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 2: every side here, ty There's only one side, but whatever.

601
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe also Notre Dame is a place where quarterbacks

602
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: don't necessarily always flourish. Really well, I'm just saying, like

603
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm being facetious. I know. So I'm saying, change of scenery,

604
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: change of change of view? Right?

605
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 2: Can they change his throwing motion? Have you seen it?

606
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 2: It's like filed your Coovic. Sure is a little bit

607
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Speaker 2: of jer there.

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00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: Okay.

609
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: Uh, Speaking of stets and Bennett, Katie on Instagram, how

610
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:44,479
Speaker 2: will stets and Bennett do with the Rams?

611
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Katie, he.

612
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: Will learn a lot from being in the locker room

613
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 2: a lot of those guys with Super Bowl rings being

614
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: around Sean McVay. He's gonna learn the rigors of being

615
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: a a pro athlete as compared to what he's used

616
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 2: to at Georgia. There will be a bit of a

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00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 2: ramp up to try and figure that out. I believe

618
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 2: he will use that knowledge in a very productive way

619
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Speaker 2: to craft a compelling insurance policy for friends and teammates

620
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: as part of Stetson Bennett State Farm because like a

621
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Speaker 2: good neighbor, Stetson is always there. State Farm not a

622
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 2: sponsor could be. Thank you, Katie.

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Speaker 1: I would love look players get hurt. Matthew Staff got

624
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Speaker 1: hurt last year. I don't know much about the NFL,

625
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,960
Speaker 1: but they had to bring in Baker Mayfield on like

626
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Speaker 1: no time, and he has been a below average NFL

627
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: quarterback as far as I can tell.

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00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, is that fair to say very below average? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so he's a Baker Mayfield's a below average NFL quarterback.

630
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Speaker 1: Stetson Bennett has been a very good college quarterback, not

631
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Speaker 1: a level of Baker Mayfield in college and with time

632
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: and a system, if he's asked to step in and

633
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,479
Speaker 1: make some throws against the Seahawks or the forty nine

634
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: ers or whoever. Sure, I don't know about next year.

635
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Speaker 1: Maybe in the next couple of years, I could see

636
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: a situation in which Stetson Bennett is prepared to make

637
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: the exact throws Sean McVay tells him to do before

638
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 1: the snap.

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00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's possible. That's possible.

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Speaker 1: Look, I don't know anything about the NFL. Let's be

641
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 1: very clear. If you had told me Brockberty was about

642
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: to go undefeated as a starting NFL quarterback in which

643
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: he finishes the game like cool. Great, wouldn't have seen

644
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 1: it coming.

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00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: Here you go, here's one bowling green football talk on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for the question. Do you foresee fewer group

647
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Speaker 2: of five players drafted due to players transferring up to

648
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Speaker 2: Power five after a great season or will some Power

649
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: five backups transferring down even all that out if they start,

650
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,720
Speaker 2: if they stand out on film starting for a group

651
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Speaker 2: of five school This is a great question. I did

652
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: some research this morning, very early. Okay, I dug back

653
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: through the last three drafts. This is very anecdotal. It's

654
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 2: not exactly data science, but it was the best.

655
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 1: Pay for your research, did not bring out data. Yeah yeah,

656
00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: on short notice.

657
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: Okay, I would say it's statistically significant at this point,

658
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 2: but I dug through the last three drafts see if

659
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: there were any trends. If you look at all players

660
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: drafted group of five or below, so Division two, Division three,

661
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 2: what have you. I also lumped Liberty in there because

662
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,440
Speaker 2: I didn't know where to put them. Okay, thirty one

663
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: players taken in last week's draft in that class, which

664
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: pales in comparison to twenty twenty two, when they were

665
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: like seventy five guys taken from.

666
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Speaker 1: Seventy five group of five players.

667
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: Or below, and I hate to kind of make them

668
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 2: feel less than that is not what I'm doing. I'm

669
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Speaker 2: Power five, non power five, thank you. Yeah, So thirty

670
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 2: one versus seventy five is a smaller number.

671
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: Yep.

672
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 2: If you go back to twenty twenty one, it wasn't

673
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: quite as dramatic a drop off, but it's still lower.

674
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 2: Forty four guys got drafted in twenty twenty one from

675
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 2: non power five schools. I did not have time to

676
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 2: see how many of those guys were transfers, which I

677
00:34:53,560 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: think would be the tell here, but I suspect the

678
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: theory is true. So if you're a pro caliber player,

679
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,239
Speaker 2: to answer the question, if there's a Power five team

680
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: out there that is in the market for your position,

681
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 2: my hunch is that we'll see more of those guys

682
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: continuing the trends that we've seen now for the last

683
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: two off seasons, which is, you got a spot for me,

684
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,399
Speaker 2: I'll take it, you're gonna pay me even better.

685
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, But well, we're also losing I don't know the

686
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: correct way to say this, but Power G five programs

687
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati, Houston BYU and Cincinnati. When I say Cincinnati, UCF,

688
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: Houston BYU, we're losing them to a major conference. So

689
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: all of their traff picks are going to be folded in.

690
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: And just over the years, we've seen programs take that

691
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: leap up to the Power five level, and so it's

692
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: just going to change that dynamic. I think. I don't

693
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 1: necessarily think it's going to be as overwhelming a title

694
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,720
Speaker 1: wave of quality G five players going to Power five schools,

695
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: and I all does change that there is more nil

696
00:35:54,320 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: opportunity at bigger places with bigger fan bases and more money.

697
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 1: I think FCS wise that's going to fall off a cliff.

698
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: I think if you are an All American caliber player

699
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,279
Speaker 1: at look, Oregon's going to start at right tackle a

700
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 1: player from Rhode Island, Johnny Cornelius. And so those types

701
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,239
Speaker 1: of players I think are going to you know, Vernon

702
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: Adams another example to Orgon, you know, FCS to Power five.

703
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: Those types of players are going to find spots that

704
00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,600
Speaker 1: otherwise they would not necessarily have have had the opportunity

705
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: in years past. I think that's going to fall off

706
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: a cliff. And I just think teams are so much

707
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: better now at identifying players. And so let's say, okay,

708
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: let's a thought experiment right now. Be like Florida's recruiting

709
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: a player and they just don't have room for him,

710
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: and his dream is to go to Florida, and he's

711
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: wanted to go to Florida his entire life, but doesn't

712
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: get that level of Power five offer, decides to go

713
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: to Samford, decides to go to a Power five place,

714
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: and flashes his first year isn't necessarily incredib but really

715
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: flash like, oh, this is a really good freshman in

716
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: this conference. The opportunity to just jump up right away

717
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: to Florida has never been easier and faster, So it's

718
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: going that's kind of stuff is going to happen. It's

719
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 1: not just going to be like a grad transfer thing.

720
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: It's not going to be a two to three year

721
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: this guy's a clear star, but just the like, Okay,

722
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: this guy was a freshman All American. Now he's looking

723
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: that's going to happen more. But I'll still think on

724
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,279
Speaker 1: a certain level, I don't think the NFL cares as

725
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 1: much about drafting a Power five player versus a G

726
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: five player.

727
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: I don't think it matters.

728
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: So I think if you are an All American caliber

729
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: right tackle at Western Michigan, you'll still get drafted in

730
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: the first round. They'll still take you. And this is

731
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: just me guessing. I think for certain guys, if they

732
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: are thriving somewhere on the G five level, they might

733
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 1: really like playing there. That's where they're stars, that's where

734
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 1: they've enjoyed life as a star player. If they're playing

735
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: at San Diego State, if they're playing at wherever they're

736
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: playing in a MAC, if they're playing for two Lane

737
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:08,400
Speaker 1: or something like maybe ty J. Spears really liked playing

738
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: there and he's gonna get enough attention for a good

739
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: two lane team at running Like, I don't think we

740
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:14,959
Speaker 1: just have to automatically assume just because you're a star

741
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 1: for a smaller level school that the jump is inevitable.

742
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I still think those guys are going

743
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,399
Speaker 1: to exist. Maybe it comes down. It probably comes down.

744
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 1: I don't think there's gonna be nine players taken in

745
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: two years. I think it's it's probably one of those years.

746
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: It's a development cycle thing that maybe next she'll be

747
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: forty four, the year after that, thirty eight, the year

748
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: after that, fifty one. It's just all over the place.

749
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 2: So I don't think, Like I said, it's not my

750
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: back of the napkin math this morning at five thirty

751
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:46,439
Speaker 2: am is definitely not statistically significant, but it's something to watch,

752
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:47,840
Speaker 2: and I think it's a really good question. Thank you.

753
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: Yes, But the thing still is if the PAC twelve

754
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 1: ad San Diego State, well that's another big school from

755
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: the G five, Lefel changed things. It changed things. Yeah.

756
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: Christopher on Facebook book asks one that I'm going to

757
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 2: tee up for you, Dan. I think this is a

758
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 2: Dan question through and through to what extent has us

759
00:39:07,200 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: sees last twenty horrible years contributed to Oregon's rise to

760
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: national prominence and to Utah's recent successes. It's my opinion

761
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,839
Speaker 2: that if USC would have remained relevant over the last

762
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: two decades, both Oregon and Utah would not have had

763
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 2: the opportunity to rise the power, right, say you, mister Rubinstein.

764
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 1: Well, I think Oregon's won what six of eight against

765
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:35,360
Speaker 1: USC something like that. Utah has come in so I

766
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: don't think there is a USC vacuum as much as

767
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 1: there has been a rise in national recruiting because all

768
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: of a sudden everybody so USC was thriving. We can

769
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:47,399
Speaker 1: do a show about this. I have so many thoughts

770
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: about the West Coast. It's a fascinating place. But USC

771
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: thrived with Pete Carroll probably their best coach ever, just

772
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: because it's much harder now in the last twenty years

773
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: to win than it probably was back when. I don't

774
00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 1: know whatever you want to say about you know, John

775
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: Robinson or something like that. But the heights that Pete

776
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: Carroll reached with USC I think was crazy impressive. So,

777
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: if not their greatest coach ever, their second greatest coach ever,

778
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: who has won a Super Bowl since, So that has

779
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 1: something to do with it. I think the talent level

780
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,720
Speaker 1: along offensive and defensive lines on the West Coast falling

781
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: off a cliff. Since the early two thousands, USC was

782
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 1: able to own the West coast Washington, Oregon, California, Arizona, Nevada, Colorado.

783
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 1: All these places are where USC drew in star power.

784
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 1: And then they went national and they got players from

785
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: New Jersey, from Florida, from Tennessee, huge players, star players,

786
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:46,520
Speaker 1: Leonard Williams from Florida. So USC had that priority under

787
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll and to a lesser extent, Lane Kiff and

788
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: Sark whatever Oregon hires a complete game changer of an

789
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,760
Speaker 1: offensive play caller and thinker and Chip Kelly and Shred's

790
00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll Peek Carroll runs away to the NFL with

791
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 1: looming NC double A sanctions whatever.

792
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: I like.

793
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: I'm just talking about a timeline here way to the NFL.

794
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 2: I like it.

795
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: Jeremiah A solely runs like a defensive He's reading defensive

796
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: tackles and shredding USC. Not an NFL quarterback. Jeremiah A.

797
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: Soley mind you player kicked off the team a few

798
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: months later. So Chip Kelly is shredding everybody on the

799
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: West Coast, Pete Carroll leaves all of his five star

800
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:29,280
Speaker 1: defensive players can't figure out how to tackle a Michael James,

801
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,360
Speaker 1: and there's some power shift within the conference at least,

802
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: So you have you're losing West Coast players. You have

803
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: USC being shredded by NC DOUBLEA sanctions making unseerious hires

804
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: in Steve Sarkisian at that time, and Clay Helton bringing

805
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: back Lincoln Riley, who has done an atrocious job of

806
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: recruiting defensive players out of high school, and so on

807
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 1: a certain level, you might have to say Pete Carroll

808
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,240
Speaker 1: was the best coach at the best time for USC

809
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: to be the best team on the West Coast if

810
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: not the country, and so Oregon coming in and Utah

811
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: coming in and being more stable in the case of

812
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: Utah and being more aggressive in the case of Oregon

813
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: recruiting nationally recruiting defense, bringing in Mario Christobal say what

814
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 1: you will, recruited really, really well, having a quarterback in

815
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: their backyard, and Justin Herbert, who worked out USC relying

816
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 1: far too much on an overrated area of the country

817
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 1: in terms of talent as far as I'm concerned, on

818
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: the West Coast being an unserious program and letting players

819
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 1: like Bryce Young and CJ. Stroud DJU, even though DJU

820
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: wasn't great for Clemson, but letting these high profile players

821
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: brought bowers Is from California. USC thrived when it was

822
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: easier to thrive. Now everybody has four K footage on

823
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,200
Speaker 1: YouTube of their high school highlights. You know, everybody can

824
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 1: watch Georgia games. Everybody can watch Ohio State games, everybody

825
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 1: can watch Florida State games. Whatever, and so West Coast

826
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: players see where big time football is. I'm not going

827
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: to blame on Larry Scott. I'm not going to blame

828
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 1: it on you know, West Coast people caring about football

829
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,320
Speaker 1: less because I think there would be an uptick and

830
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: interest in college football on the West Coast if more

831
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: teams were serious about college football. But the situation is

832
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: Oregon is serious, Washington has had bouts of seriousness over

833
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: the years. UCLA isn't an especially serious program all the time.

834
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 1: And so if you're CJ. Stroud, why would you go

835
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,640
Speaker 1: to USC? This is not a serious program. This is

836
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: bringing in Clay Helton, This is you know, bringing in

837
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: a retread defensive coordinator. This is just USC assuming they're

838
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: going to win because they're USC. USC has fallen off

839
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: a cliff, not because you know there is this you know,

840
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 1: not because everybody else got better and they fell behind.

841
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: USC is just not dedicated to college football in the

842
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: way that other programs are. And so yeah, maybe there's

843
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: a vacuum that USC could help to fill if they

844
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: were a serious program. That's not a world in which

845
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: we live. So no, it's it's not USC just deciding

846
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: not to be good at football anymore. It was a

847
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: perfect time and situation for USC to be excellent, and

848
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 1: they decided to stop evolving and didn't take Oregon seriously

849
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: and didn't take Utah seriously, and they're still paying for it.

850
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 2: It's a very excitful answer, Dan, it's a very good answer.

851
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 1: I USC could be excellent, no notes, But but I

852
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: don't know. They just assume we're USC. We should just

853
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: be excellent because we're us, and they got passed. They

854
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: just did.

855
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: Aj out on Instagram. Which of Alabama or Ohio State

856
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: is next to win its conference championship? Think about that

857
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: question for more than a couple seconds. It's actually much

858
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 2: harder than it seems. I saw it come through and

859
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 2: it's like, oh, Okay, what's this? But then I actually

860
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,280
Speaker 2: thought about It's like, hmm, if you had one hundred

861
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 2: bucks to bet on one of those two teams winning

862
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 2: their conference championship, sure before the other. I'm curious to

863
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 2: get your thoughts on who you would pick. I do

864
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 2: think it's a harder question that meets the eye. As

865
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: you may recall, neither team won their conference championship last year.

866
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: Ohio State hasn't done it for two years now because

867
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,240
Speaker 2: of Michigan's rise.

868
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: So they seem played for their conference championship.

869
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: That's correct, Yeah, that's correct. I am inclined to still

870
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:23,800
Speaker 2: go Ohio State because it's a much easier path to

871
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 2: get there if you're Alabama. Right, we talked about some

872
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: of the issues, or some of the turmoil, or some

873
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 2: of the uncertainty. I guess is the right way to

874
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: characterize it. Around their quarterback position. We don't know who's

875
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: playing quarterback. Ultimately, Alabama will be just fine, But there

876
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,760
Speaker 2: are a lot of land mines on an SEC schedule,

877
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: a number of teams that could jump up and get you.

878
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 2: They've got Texas to I mean, it's not easy be

879
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: in Alabama.

880
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: Well, the Texas game won't effect there I Conference championship.

881
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: I know, but I'm just saying. My point is that

882
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: it's a tough schedule, and week in and week out,

883
00:45:57,360 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 2: you got to be ready for whatever the SEC and

884
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 2: whatever the Alabama schedule as a whole is thrown at you.

885
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:07,919
Speaker 2: So I think I still go Ohio State. It's still

886
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 2: an easier path. Ohio State has two very big games

887
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 2: on its schedule every year in the form of Penn

888
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: State in Michigan, and in many cases they've only got

889
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: to win one in order to get into that title game.

890
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 2: So I think Ohio State is still the answer. But

891
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 2: I'm surprised, actually, aj at how much harder this question

892
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: is the more I thought about it.

893
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:37,439
Speaker 1: Well, we don't know the future of scheduling, for we don't.

894
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: Both of these conferences do not, and so that plays

895
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: a role with Ohio State. You know, traditionally in the

896
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: last few years having both Michigan and Penn State on

897
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: their schedule, so missing them during the regular season potentially

898
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: moving forward. I mean, Ohio State's never going to miss

899
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 1: Michigan and probably never going to miss Penn State. But

900
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens, and we'll see what happens in

901
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 1: the SEC, which is I think much more up in

902
00:46:59,880 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: the because Alabama has LSU every year, it seems like,

903
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: and they will in perpetuity, and they have to get

904
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 1: through Georgia. I think getting through LSU and Georgia is

905
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: more difficult than getting through Penn State and Michigan. And

906
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 1: so I'm going to go with Ohio State because the

907
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: track record suggests that they are a program that can

908
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: consistently build teams to beat Michigan. In Penn State, it's

909
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: been a minute since Penn State has beaten Ohio State.

910
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 1: Michigan is in a definite upswing right now and owns

911
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: that rivalry right now. Could definitely change soon, could definitely

912
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:38,359
Speaker 1: change soon. Absolutely, I'm I would say confidently Ohio State.

913
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: What Lott on Facebook thoughts on the Big Twelve playing

914
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 2: in Monterey, Mexico and these types of games in general,

915
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 2: I e. Nebraska, Northwestern in Dublin, Notre Dame's got a

916
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 2: game in Dublin this coming season Week zero. How do

917
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: you feel about international games on the college level? You know, like,

918
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,920
Speaker 2: we're not big fans of the neutral site game to

919
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: begin with, right, but I think there's a little bit

920
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: of added flavor when it's going abroad, different country altogether.

921
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: I kind of like it. I think there is a

922
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,759
Speaker 2: limit to it. I don't want to see it go

923
00:48:19,840 --> 00:48:23,680
Speaker 2: full NFL. You know where there's a conversation about putting

924
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 2: a team in London, that type of thing, like where

925
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 2: let's pump the brakes on how aggressive we're getting with

926
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 2: these international games. But I do like it. I've never

927
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,480
Speaker 2: been to Monterey. I've seen pictures of Monterey. It looks fabulous.

928
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:37,479
Speaker 1: Mexico's great.

929
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, playing a college football game in Monterey seems like

930
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: it'd be a pretty cool, pretty cool experience for the kids.

931
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,959
Speaker 2: I realize that by saying it, I make myself sound

932
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,439
Speaker 2: like I'm one hundred years old. But it would be cool,

933
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: and it's a cool setting for a game. There are

934
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: a lot of American football fans in Mexico, and so

935
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,239
Speaker 2: I'm all for it. I'm all for it at the

936
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 2: college level. I think it's cool, but it needs to

937
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: be within reason.

938
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,400
Speaker 1: It does nothing for me, really, it really does. You

939
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:09,879
Speaker 1: know what does stuff for me? I'm okay with this

940
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: is where I'm gonna be. You want to play on

941
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 1: the infield of Talladega, Okay, great. I'm also for that. Awesome. Yeah,

942
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: if you want to do some stunt stuff and it

943
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: makes sense geographically for the team's playing, it's much better

944
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: than playing in Jerry World. I'm great with all. You

945
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:39,400
Speaker 1: want to play in the infield of Churchill Downs or something.

946
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, but let's get creative, let's get wild

947
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: with it. I think that's the experience playing in Dublin. Look,

948
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: I understand the connection would not great. It doesn't do

949
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: much for me. So much of why I love this

950
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: sport is everything that surrounds this sport and removing the

951
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:02,480
Speaker 1: entire country for a stunt game over like playing having

952
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: colplay in Australia. Okay, it all just feels and this

953
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 1: is you know, it's my own jaded brain. Like it's

954
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, let's try to get a TV deal

955
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: in Mexico and make more money. Let's try to sell

956
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: more hats in Mexico. Let's try to get a streaming

957
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:22,440
Speaker 1: deal in Mexico with the Big Twelve. That is just

958
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: Brett or Mark turning over every stone to try to

959
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: increase the visibility. Is trying to do something at Rucker

960
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 1: Park in New York for basketball. Okay, I get why

961
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: you're a visibility guy, that's your job. But am I

962
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: more likely to flip over to Kansas State Houston because

963
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:46,600
Speaker 1: they're playing in Mexico. I'm not. I'm just not. I'm

964
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: here for the game. I'm okay with changing things up

965
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: and finding someplace new to play a game. But I

966
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: don't know, play that game in Kansas in a weird place.

967
00:50:57,239 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: Play that game in East Texas in a weird place.

968
00:50:59,560 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't need it in Mexico.

969
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: I have what I believe is the best concept for

970
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 2: one of these stunt slash international games.

971
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: I love the aircraft carrier thing for basketball. The aircraft

972
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:15,800
Speaker 1: is actually good. Yeah. I don't know what the physics

973
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 1: of that are. Yeah, but let me propose a new theory. Okay,

974
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: everybody wants to take the game and find an outdoor

975
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: venue for it that's novel and different and cool and

976
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 1: fun and unique and makes you want to watch, like

977
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 1: the outdoor hockey NHL stuff.

978
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeahah yeah, or even playing on the infield of Talladega

979
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: or wherever. But what about taking the game indoors to

980
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: a place where it is not normally played. What about

981
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: like an air force hangar, a big warehouse. We've got

982
00:51:51,560 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: air force bases all around the globe empty. One of

983
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 2: those guys out take the B fifty two's out. Yeah,

984
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 2: put a football field in there. I got believe there's

985
00:52:00,680 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: enough clearance to play regulation football game. Put it on

986
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 2: for the service members. You can put it on TV.

987
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,360
Speaker 2: Obviously it would not be a normal football game in

988
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: the sense that we're used to it, but it would

989
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,440
Speaker 2: I think check a bunch of the boxes, and I

990
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 2: think it'd be pretty cool. That would be a novelty

991
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 2: concept that I could get behind.

992
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got the stands. That's an issue. How do

993
00:52:23,680 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: you know you got to get a bunch of people

994
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 1: in there, so you got to bring in bleachers of

995
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 1: some kind.

996
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: I don't know.

997
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: So you're saying a game like a bubble game almost

998
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 1: with the NBA, how they.

999
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: Play it a little bit of a bubble I don't know.

1000
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: You lose it, you lose some juice, You lose some

1001
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: juice from college football not having a big live live there.

1002
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 2: We live through twenty twenty though, you could do it

1003
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 2: once more. Just throwing that out there. Okay, I think

1004
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: you need stands. I think you need to figure out stands.

1005
00:52:54,080 --> 00:52:56,839
Speaker 2: I don't hate the idea of doing a military base

1006
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: somewhere though, I don't think that's that's the beginning of

1007
00:52:59,800 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 2: an interesting idea. But you need you need the like

1008
00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 2: the service members going ballistic, going nuts all around the field,

1009
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 2: everything like that. Almost like the like a much more extended,

1010
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:15,759
Speaker 2: extended version of everybody surrounding guiles fights in Street Fighter too.

1011
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: You need a ton more and you need to get

1012
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 2: vertical with it to get stands in there.

1013
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: But I like the direction you're going with this. I

1014
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: like Battle to Bristol, right, the NASCAR situation with I

1015
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,319
Speaker 1: like that. So I think there is a there's a

1016
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,879
Speaker 1: place to get creative with this and have some sort

1017
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: of pop up game.

1018
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: Uh.

1019
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: And maybe it's not on a huge level, right, maybe

1020
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 1: it's Lehigh Lafayette know they played at Yankee Stadium, but

1021
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,040
Speaker 1: maybe there is some sort of you know, the Tommy

1022
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 1: tom was it Johnny Tommy game in Minnesota? You know,

1023
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: have fun with that somewhere. But I uh, I'm okay

1024
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 1: with I'm okay with stunt games in a very American

1025
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: way at that. Let me be xenophobic on my college

1026
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 1: football go to that crazy high.

1027
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 2: School football stadium in what Denton, Texas wherever it is.

1028
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, Allen has the crazier ones.

1029
00:54:10,800 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: Yet go down there, play a game, I believe, Yeah,

1030
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: in a bed idea. All right, So look, we've got

1031
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: we've got more questions here. We've got a question about

1032
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 2: Notre Dame and realistic expectations. We've got a thought experiment

1033
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,719
Speaker 2: about rich Rod if he had taken the Alabama job

1034
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 2: way back when.

1035
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: We've got on college football questions. I think we do.

1036
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: We have a couple here that I want to get into.

1037
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: We've got a question about Dan Enos and Sam Pittman

1038
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 2: about the future growth of group of five teams. And

1039
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 2: we've got a great question here. And I'm going to

1040
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 2: kick this over to Patreon. Dan you know what I'm

1041
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 2: doing with this? Okay for our part too. If you

1042
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 2: want to hear the full extended cut of this extended

1043
00:54:54,680 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: meal Bag episode, this question from Brian on Facebook really

1044
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,280
Speaker 2: got me going bright and early this morning. Who regrets

1045
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 2: the contract more Texas A and M or Michigan State?

1046
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, Let's say pause, hit pause, How many How

1047
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 1: many can I ask you a question?

1048
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,040
Speaker 2: And then we're gonna hit pause, pause, pause has been hit?

1049
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: How many Patreon subscribers do we need to hit for

1050
00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: you to tell the story about what happened with your

1051
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: day yesterday?

1052
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 2: Oh?

1053
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: No, five K seven K, three K four K.

1054
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 2: If we if we got to five K, five K,

1055
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 2: oh my, I can't believe you brought that up.

1056
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: I didn't bring anything up to All I said was

1057
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 1: your day yesterday.

1058
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: I know, I know there was. There was a a

1059
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 2: heart to heart phone call afterwards. Right yeah, oh man, five,

1060
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:56,680
Speaker 2: it's got to be five K. Okay, if we get

1061
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 2: to five I'll tell the story, all right.

1062
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: If we get to for ballers, I would say personal,

1063
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I would say.

1064
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 2: You're the only person I told that story too.

1065
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying anything. I'm not hinting at anything.

1066
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 1: I would say, extremely personal. Uh, it's you've you've kept

1067
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: it very close to the vest, has to stay close

1068
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: to the vest range of very primal emotions, i'd say.

1069
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 1: And who's gonna hear this? I don't know, like let

1070
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,839
Speaker 1: me just like you were, Uh what's the word? I'm like, uh,

1071
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 1: you were a little bit.

1072
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 2: All right, just stop, just stop, just stop, just stop.

1073
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:43,719
Speaker 2: We need to get the five K first, Okay, I'll

1074
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:47,200
Speaker 2: lay it all bare at five K. All right.

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Speaker 1: I think shaken is probably too strong, but was shaken?

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Speaker 1: Was a little stirred, frazzled.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, I usually keep my head per We're

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Speaker 2: both pretty good at that, you know, and I'm usually

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Speaker 2: I'm usually good at being calm. But yeah, there was

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Speaker 2: a there was a moment yesterday where I was thrown

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Speaker 2: in a bit of a blender.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, five K, five K, we'll do it Verballers dot

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Speaker 2: com v E R B A L L e r

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Speaker 2: s dot com. We've got a little bit of a

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Speaker 2: ways to go here. We want to answer the remainder

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Speaker 2: of these questions. Yeah, for those of you who just

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Speaker 2: like listen to the podcast, make sure you hit subscribe, follow, rate,

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Speaker 2: review the whole nine yards, make sure you follow along

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Speaker 2: on social media as well. But without further new deal,

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Speaker 2: let's cut it over to Pat.

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Speaker 1: That's