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Speaker 1: Fish Unfiltered, Episode fifty two. I am here joined with

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Speaker 1: Eli Sussman Isaaca Zouke, and we have a very special

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Speaker 1: guest here today we have Skip Schumacher, the manager of

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Speaker 1: the Miami Marlins and twenty twenty three National League Manage

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Speaker 1: the year. Skip, thank you so much for hopping on

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Speaker 1: and it's anondre to have you on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks for having me. Guys. It's been a while.

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Speaker 1: Guys, We're good. How's the off season been treating you?

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Speaker 2: Ah? Good?

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Speaker 3: I have a sixteen year old son and a thirty

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Speaker 3: almost gosh, just turn fourteen year old daughter, so learning

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Speaker 3: to drive, the learning permit, you know, all that stuff

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Speaker 3: is going on. So he gets his license in So

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Speaker 3: he turned sixteen on the twenty fifth, so he gets

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Speaker 3: his license here and gosh, what five days, four days?

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is.

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Speaker 3: It's a little bit nerve wracking. It's a different stage

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Speaker 3: in life that I'm not ready for. But he's playing

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Speaker 3: a lot of baseball games, so, as you know, the

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Speaker 3: season is tough on the family.

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Speaker 2: So I'm making up for lost.

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Speaker 3: Time and trying to be a dad and a husband

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Speaker 3: and trying to get out of my wife's way and

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Speaker 3: trying not to bother her. I think I'm helping, but

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Speaker 3: a lot of times I'm getting in the way. So

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Speaker 3: that's been the adjustment. But other than that, just catching

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Speaker 4: Skip. Weave a whole lot of Marlin stuff to get

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Speaker 4: into with you. But first off, there was an announcement

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Speaker 4: just a couple of days ago on the Hall of

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Speaker 4: Fame ballot for twenty twenty four. Your boy Matt Holliday

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Speaker 4: is on there for the first time. What do you think.

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Speaker 4: Can you make your case for him to stick around

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Speaker 4: on the ballot a little bit knowing him as well

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Speaker 4: as you did and seeing him play up close as

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Speaker 4: his teammate, Yeah, I'm not.

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Speaker 2: As good as you know.

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Speaker 3: A lot of the lot of the guys, as far

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Speaker 3: as you know what the stats and Hall of Fame

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Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. What I do know is he

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Speaker 3: was one of the most feared hitters in the game

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Speaker 3: during his time. Middle of the ordered bat. Yeah, he

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Speaker 3: played in Colorado, but he had some big years outside

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Speaker 3: An absolute beast. He's a Hall of Fame person. I

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Speaker 3: think everybody should know that. I know that's not part

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Speaker 3: of the criteria, but as far as a human being

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Speaker 3: like that family is ten out of ten, the numbers

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Speaker 3: man like we acquired him, or I shouldn't say the

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Speaker 3: Cardinals acquired him, you know, really for protection for Albert

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Speaker 3: and good luck. That's not an easy task and he

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Speaker 3: was more than able to protect Albert. And we don't

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Speaker 3: win a World Series without Matt Holliday, and he's a winner.

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Speaker 2: But again, I.

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Speaker 3: Don't know what like those war numbers or whatever it mean.

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Speaker 3: But like for his playing career, he was one of

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Speaker 3: the most feared hitters in a lineup for those twelve

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Speaker 3: or fourteen years however he played, and so he's on

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Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame. He should be a Hall of

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Speaker 3: Famer to me. But you know, I again, I don't

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Speaker 5: Kevin said, you are the National League Manager of the

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Speaker 5: Year when you report a spring training with the pitchers

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Speaker 5: and catchers back in February. Is that something you could

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Speaker 5: have even imagined that you would have won the award

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Speaker 5: in your first season at the Helm.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the last thing that I'm thinking about is trying

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Speaker 3: to win a Manager of the Year or any sort

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Speaker 3: of personal award, as great as that is. And I

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Speaker 3: said this when I ended up winning the award, This

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Speaker 3: is a staff award. This is a players award. Like

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Speaker 3: if the players don't go out and play really well,

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Speaker 3: if my staff doesn't create, you know, a change of culture,

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Speaker 3: I'm not even on that panel, right, so it's more

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Speaker 3: than just me. I know I'm the one that gets it,

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Speaker 3: but I truly believe that this staff deserves just as

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Speaker 3: much recognition as I do. And then again, the players

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Speaker 3: win you games. Right, There's only a couple of times

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Speaker 2: Most of the time I was making moves to lose games.

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Speaker 3: And you know a lot of times when we were

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Speaker 3: winning the uh, you know, the players were covering up

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Speaker 3: for my mistakes. That's the reality of it. And you

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Speaker 3: to answer your question, like, the last thing I'm thinking

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Speaker 3: about is when I get into spring training, is, man,

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Speaker 3: how do I win this award? Like that's if that's

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Speaker 3: on your mind. Man, you shouldn't be managing, that's my opinion.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree, And you did lead this team to

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Speaker 5: the postseason in a traditional year for the first time

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Speaker 5: in twenty years. I'm sure that's something that's really special.

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Speaker 5: My next question, we rewind to October when you guys

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Speaker 5: clinch on Saturday in Pittsburgh. If I remember correctly, they're

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Speaker 5: still up in the air where you guys would play

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Speaker 5: in the Wild Cards series, whether you're the six seed,

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Speaker 2: I'm just curious if were you.

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Speaker 5: Guys try looking at that and maybe trying to avoid

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Speaker 2: At any stretch. Or is it just the focus to

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Speaker 2: get in and that's it it was to get in.

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Speaker 3: There's so many different scenarios where we couldn't get in

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Speaker 2: And I do believe that you get in and see

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Speaker 3: Listen, if Woodriff doesn't get hurt and you have Burns

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Speaker 3: Woodriff peralta, that's not exciting either. So you know, there's

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Speaker 3: there's no real like fun rotation to face on a

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Speaker 3: why like a lot of those teams that have you know,

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Speaker 3: or Burns in Woodriff, that's really challenging in Peralta's I mean,

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Speaker 3: that we are scared of. But there's not a team

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Speaker 2: They were all good.

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Speaker 3: When you're in the playoffs and three game set, man,

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Speaker 3: it's hard, and you were going to play on the

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Speaker 2: That's not easy. And I think I think it.

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Speaker 3: Was such a great learning experience for a lot of

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Speaker 3: now they understand it, and I think hopefully the offseason

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Speaker 4: Skip you mentioned a moment ago, the Manager of the

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Speaker 4: Year being a staff award, and a huge part of

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Speaker 4: that staff was Brent Brown. As you're hitting coach. I know,

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Speaker 4: a bunch of the players spoke really positively about him,

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Speaker 4: and of course you were the one that brought him

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Speaker 4: Thing moving forward, if you could just help people understand

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Speaker 4: what it is that I guess made him desirable by

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Speaker 4: other teams. What is it that worked well with the

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Speaker 4: just kind of hard to see that from afar from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, first of all, whenever you get get a promotion,

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Speaker 3: he's gonna be the bench coach. Now we're in Seattle,

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Speaker 3: that's a that's a good thing for our organization. As

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Speaker 3: much as I hate losing guys, I'm happy for Brant.

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Speaker 3: You know, he changed what the hitting philosophy looks like,

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Speaker 3: you know, some ideas, some old school plus some new

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Speaker 3: school ideas where it wasn't just all poll launched homers.

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Speaker 3: It was like, be a good hitter first and we'll

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Speaker 3: figure out the other stuff. Later, he understands what development

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Speaker 3: looks like because he.

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Speaker 2: Was in PD for a while.

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Speaker 3: He was really good at bringing in and being collaborative

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Speaker 3: all the coaches minor leagues and big leagues.

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Speaker 2: He set the tone in spring training.

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Speaker 3: He had I mean barbecues, you know, at the hotels

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Speaker 3: with all the hitting coaches, right and just to get

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't just triple as different than double, A

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Speaker 3: Like every guy in the minor leagues knew what to

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Speaker 3: was the same. He and John mabray and Jason Hart

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Speaker 3: worked really well together. It's a relationship based game. This

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Speaker 3: I don't care what kind of content you have, it's

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Speaker 3: not going to work. Brandt had both. He had the

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Speaker 3: relationship skills. Guys spot in right away. They were sick

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Speaker 3: ways to get better. There's so many numbers in today's

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Speaker 3: were really good at identifying the guys that needed a

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Speaker 6: All hitters are individual, you know, they learn differently and

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Speaker 6: we have to accept that and we understand that so

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Speaker 6: however they process information. But the most important thing is

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Speaker 6: that when they come into the cage, we're going to discuss,

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Speaker 6: you know, what they are going to do to the

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Speaker 3: Brand's one of the smarter guys I've been around baseball wise.

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Speaker 3: Grateful that, you know, we had him, but I think

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Speaker 3: he left his place better and I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: we're going to take a lot of what Brandt used

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Speaker 3: and apply it this year as.

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Speaker 4: Well and looking forward when it comes to filling his

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Speaker 4: shoes as hitting coach. This is not the type of

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Speaker 4: job that you go to LinkedIn and you open up

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Speaker 4: an application for a hitting coach. Is a little unconventional.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot different than most other jobs. From your perspective,

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Speaker 4: where does that search start? Like, how does that work

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Speaker 4: when when you have an opening, where do you begin

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Speaker 4: to begin to like evaluate who comes in to replace them?

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Speaker 2: Moving forward?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, if you think about what happened last year,

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Speaker 3: you know, we hired everybody, so you know, I so

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Speaker 3: I think everybody was new. I had built through relationships

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Speaker 3: to me. Not to say that I'm only going to

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Speaker 3: but I do know that whoever we do go after

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Speaker 3: is going to be a really good, high character person.

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Speaker 3: And then we'll figure out that the the actual coaching

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Speaker 3: stuff later. You know, part of the interview process internally,

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Speaker 3: Maybury and Hardy speak the same language as Brand, so

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Speaker 3: So far, We've had a lot of really good conversations.

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Speaker 5: He didn't waste too much time to start wheeling and dealing.

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Speaker 5: Actually, a couple of new players on your roster, Skip

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Speaker 2: We'll see.

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Speaker 1: One of the players that we're added was Anthony Maldonado,

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Speaker 3: was the biggest one. Trying to get them through the

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Speaker 3: first full season. Not missing starts was a big one.

440
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Speaker 3: And not crush our bullpen, which at times I felt

441
00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 3: like I did and unfortunately, but you know, it's tough

442
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,199
Speaker 3: to navigate, like which way do you go.

443
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Speaker 2: Do you do your.

444
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:11,480
Speaker 3: Young pitcher, does that extra inning really matter? Or do

445
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 3: you go with you know, an established bullpen. So in

446
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,359
Speaker 3: it it was a learning curve for me as well,

447
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 3: like I don't trust me, I don't feel like I

448
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,760
Speaker 3: have it all figured out, but you're trying to do

449
00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 3: the best you can with the young staff and try

450
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Speaker 3: to keep them healthy.

451
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Speaker 1: And you mentioned Yuri and he pitched the most innings

452
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Speaker 1: he's ever had in his career. Just how do you

453
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Speaker 1: kind of manage that going into next season? Do you

454
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Speaker 1: think he will there be some sort of cap on

455
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Speaker 1: uri or will you guys let him loose a little

456
00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 1: bit more.

457
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Speaker 3: I'm anticipating it will be more than this year, but

458
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 3: I think you're always, you know, watching it, trusting your eyes.

459
00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:48,159
Speaker 3: You know, I'm not going to put like a number

460
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:50,960
Speaker 3: of innings that he's gonna throw this year, but you

461
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:54,040
Speaker 3: do understand that, like he should be a senior in college, right,

462
00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:56,600
Speaker 3: he's not. He's not twenty five years old in his

463
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 3: prime where you're just like gonna run him out and

464
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,640
Speaker 3: he's built up, and he's wrong and he's strong, don't

465
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,119
Speaker 3: get me wrong, But like, we just have to monitor

466
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 3: it and be careful. But I think you know, we also,

467
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,399
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be different than last year. But

468
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,439
Speaker 3: you know, this guy has a bright future obviously not

469
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,800
Speaker 3: only for him but for our organization, and so we're

470
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Speaker 3: gonna monitor everybody and especially especially Urie.

471
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Speaker 2: But I don't think it will be like like last year.

472
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Speaker 5: The Winner meetings aren't a few weeks up in Nashville.

473
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Speaker 5: I'm sure maybe we'll see you there. But I'm just

474
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,879
Speaker 5: curious that at this point in the off season, what

475
00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 5: needs you think the team currently has before they report

476
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 5: a spring training Well.

477
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Speaker 2: I think that's up to Peter.

478
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Speaker 3: You know, we talked to our whole staff and the

479
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,040
Speaker 3: assistant gms and trying to find ways to get better.

480
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 2: You know, I think that.

481
00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 3: You can always get better on the mound depth wise,

482
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 3: you know, the with Sandy being off or being gone

483
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 3: next year.

484
00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 2: You know what, we do have some young.

485
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Speaker 3: Guys that are coming off of injury that, you know,

486
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:05,199
Speaker 3: hopefully in spring training can open some eyes. Meyer being

487
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,159
Speaker 3: one of them. So we'll see what that looks like

488
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: when he gets to spring. Our bullpen was really good

489
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 3: last year. I think they're only going to get better,

490
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 3: you know, guys going to different facilities and working on stuff.

491
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 3: I'm interested to see what Ryan Weathers looks like coming

492
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: into spring training. Excited about you know, how he ended

493
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 3: the last game in Pittsburgh, especially that somebody's gonna, you know,

494
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 3: be intriguing to me. Cabby, the last couple outings was

495
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: pretty special. Hopefully he can build off that. As far

496
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:41,120
Speaker 3: as getting better, you know, offensively, we need to get

497
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 3: better trying to figure out you know, Jazz having full season,

498
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,280
Speaker 3: that'd be awesome. So how do we get him to

499
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 3: have a really good offseason where he feels like he

500
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: can play you know, one hundred and fifty games plus

501
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 3: because when he's on the field it changes everything. Hopefully

502
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 3: Ady Garcia comes in the off season, has a really

503
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:04,639
Speaker 3: good off season and see what that looks like in

504
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 3: spring training. Our catching situation obviously stalls is uh was

505
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 3: non tendered. You know Nick Fortes. We have some ideas

506
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 3: and how to for him to get better. He had

507
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 3: a great season off defensively, how does he move the

508
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 3: needle on the offensive side? Can Sanchez get better against lefties?

509
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 3: So there's there's different ways, but that just internally that

510
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: we can get better at and figure out, you know,

511
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 3: how we can get our own guys better.

512
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Speaker 2: I just I hate the saying this is just who

513
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 2: they are.

514
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,439
Speaker 3: That that drives me nuts, and so I just feel like,

515
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,200
Speaker 3: you know, maybe I believe in and I've said this before,

516
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 3: maybe I believe in our guys too much. But I

517
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 3: think when you're a manager, that's what you're supposed to do,

518
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: is you really believe in your guys, and then what happens,

519
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 3: you know, externally, and whatever Peter decides to do, they

520
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 3: decided to do. But I'm not looking like at every

521
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 3: free agent and saying, oh man, can we just get

522
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 3: all these guys. We had a really good season last year.

523
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:08,199
Speaker 3: Of course we can get better. I'm not naive and

524
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,520
Speaker 3: saying like that's just we're just gonna have the same roster.

525
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 2: That's not going to happen. But I do feel like.

526
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 3: You know, we can get better in different areas, just

527
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 3: our own guys, and then see what happens free agency.

528
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 5: Was you mentioned Jazz, I assume I think it was

529
00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 5: a successful experiment him and center field. He really played

530
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Speaker 5: well there towards the end of the season, especially, do

531
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Speaker 5: you guys you envision him going back out there in

532
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 5: twenty twenty four to center field.

533
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, he started getting comfortable, you know, and then he

534
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 3: got hurt, and then when he came back, he felt

535
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: really comfortable out there.

536
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: He started to be a leader out there, which we wanted.

537
00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 3: He started moving guys around, being more vocal, being more

538
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 3: comfortable out there, going back, going in.

539
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 2: His throws were really good late in the season, throwing.

540
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Speaker 3: Guys out at home, you know, threw the cutoff, not

541
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 3: over it and trying to throw everybody out. He's electric

542
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 3: on the basis guys were always you know, like, oh

543
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 3: why don't run in more?

544
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: Well, we had a couple of guys hurt.

545
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,520
Speaker 3: Jazz had surgery, so like there wasn't you can't know

546
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:08,080
Speaker 3: everything right, but that there's a reason why there are

547
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 3: some guys that were were not running as much. And

548
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,159
Speaker 3: you know, I never disclose anybody's injuries because it's just

549
00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 3: that that's a personal thing. If they want to talk

550
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 3: about it, they can. But I think there's a reason

551
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:21,800
Speaker 3: why some guys were not running, like you know, they

552
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 3: were used to running. But I think that Jazz, you know,

553
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 3: getting better off left he's is going to be key

554
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 3: for him as well. He knows that and you know

555
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 3: played him a lot, you know, late in the year

556
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: against lefties and hit a couple of big home runs,

557
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: had a couple of big hits later. But you know,

558
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,240
Speaker 3: trying to be an everyday player has like been the

559
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: message for Jazz and lefties, rioties, whatever it is, because

560
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,480
Speaker 3: he's he changes the game in so many different ways.

561
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 3: It's not just hitting lefties, Like he can run down

562
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: things in the outfield that guys can't run down. He

563
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 3: can change the big change the game on the basis

564
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Speaker 3: he can bunt for hits and then all the next

565
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 3: pitch it's a double. So I think there's different ways

566
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: Jazz helps us win games. So yeah, I do think

567
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 3: that Jazz is a freak athlete. He can play probably anywhere.

568
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: That's how good of an athlete he is. He reminds

569
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: me of like the freak athlete of like Tatis, where

570
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:20,760
Speaker 3: we can just put him anywhere and he'll be a

571
00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 3: goal glover.

572
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: And I think Jazz can be a goal glover in

573
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: center field.

574
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 3: He just needs to play, you know, one p fifty

575
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 3: to get the amount of innings out there to prove

576
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: that he's a goal glover out there.

577
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: You've read my mind with the stolen bases situation. How

578
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:40,159
Speaker 4: many times is here did you guys grind into a

579
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 4: double play because that guy was still on.

580
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: First rise off first.

581
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:50,479
Speaker 3: Day, La Cruz grounds one right to short another double

582
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: play second one tonight for the.

583
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 4: Marlins, Jazz when he was healthy, he ran at a

584
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 4: pretty healthy break. But he led the team and steals

585
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 4: even though he was out for so much time. A

586
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 4: lot of guys as fewer attempts despite the rule changes

587
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: that made it easier for steals to happen. You guys

588
00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 4: were one of the few teams that had a drop

589
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 4: off in stolen bases compared to the year before. You

590
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 4: won a lot of games, but obviously run scoring was

591
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 4: an issue at times. So I guess you mentioned it

592
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 4: about some perhaps health concerns that were not privy to.

593
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 4: But beyond that was is there any thinking in your

594
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 4: mind about as a manager and as your style, when

595
00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 4: your guys are actually healthy and available to run that

596
00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: perhaps you'd be a little bit more aggressive in that aspect,

597
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,400
Speaker 4: especially to stay out of double plays and such.

598
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: Sure, so who would you want to run more? It's

599
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: just who?

600
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 4: Well, Birdie was the obvious one.

601
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: Okay, So he wasn't one hundred percent all the time.

602
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 3: So after that, go ahead, Garrett Hampson. He played a

603
00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 3: lot of the year, only five steals despite being one

604
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 3: of the fastest guys on the team.

605
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: Okay.

606
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 4: And then well, beyond that we just saw.

607
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: My point is is, like you, your roster is your roster, Okay.

608
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 3: So I'm not stealing Burger, I'm not stealing Bell, I'm

609
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 3: not stealing a rise, I'm not stealing stallings. I'm not

610
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: going to steal daily Cruz. I'm not gonna hardly steal Sanchez.

611
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 3: That was our roster, So I get what, like, yeah,

612
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: why aren't we stealing more? I'm also like our offense

613
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 3: with Burger up and with Bell up and with Slaer

614
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,959
Speaker 3: up and a rise up like four or five guys,

615
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: I'm not willing Like, it's hard to get on base, right,

616
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: It's hard to get to first base. So I'm not

617
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 3: gonna run just to run for the sake of Oh,

618
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: why aren't we stealing?

619
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: Oh, let's run.

620
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, Riots gets a hit

621
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 3: or Sler gets a double, Bell gets a double, Burger gets.

622
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: A double, and now we're standing on second and why

623
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: did you run? Why did you just were thrown out

624
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 2: at second base? Do I think we can get better?

625
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 3: Of course, like there is ways to get better on

626
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 3: the bases, and that is one of the things that

627
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 3: we have to figure out. How do we get better

628
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 3: on the bases. We also have to get guys that

629
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 3: can run the base right, So that's a big part

630
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 3: of it. It's not just get on base and run.

631
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: We hit and run probably more than any team in

632
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: the big leagues. That is, did we hit in double plays? Sure,

633
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 3: but who was on first when we were hit when

634
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 3: we were hitting into those double plays? Were those guys

635
00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 3: real true base steelers. A bass steeler is a guy

636
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:25,400
Speaker 3: that the whole stands or the all the fan base,

637
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,440
Speaker 3: every team knows they are stealing, and they steal and

638
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: they're safe.

639
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 2: That is a base steeler. Okay. John Birdie was that

640
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: guy last year for sure. Two years ago.

641
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 3: Last year he had some some physical issues that he

642
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 3: couldn't run for a lot of the not a lot

643
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 3: of the time, but a month changed during the season.

644
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 3: He had green light for the for whenever he was healthy,

645
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 3: and he stole the bases when he was healthy. Do

646
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: I think we can get better because the rule changes.

647
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: Of course, like there's there's no doubt about we can

648
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 3: get better like stealing bases, But you have to also

649
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: like the roster of the Diamondbacks for instance, had like

650
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 3: Corporan Carroll and Thomas and like they had some like

651
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 3: real guys that were gonna steal no matter what. And

652
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 3: then you add on to the rules, like they were

653
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 3: really creative on you saw them and how they manipulated

654
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 3: kind of the rules, the rules, and like we're bouncing

655
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 3: off and getting picks more picks and and then after

656
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: the second pick they were going, after the first pick

657
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 3: they were going. I mean, they did a really good

658
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 3: job of identifying that kind of thing. Dave McKay at

659
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 3: first base is the best ever at the base running

660
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: in outfield. If there's one coach that should be in

661
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: the Hall of Fame, it should be Dave McKay. So

662
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: he was really good at identifying some flaws in the system.

663
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: We have to get better at that, there's no doubt.

664
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 3: But I don't think like there's to run into outs

665
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: on the bases is death. It is just death, like

666
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 3: whether it's stolen bases or first to third or getting

667
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 3: thrown out at home like it because it's so hard

668
00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 3: to get on base, and I get it. I would

669
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: love to get on base more and steel It creates more, more,

670
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 3: more runs being in scoring position. But I'm just not

671
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 3: willing to risk with the with some of the guys

672
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 3: that we had, just Sanchez just just run first move

673
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,239
Speaker 3: like that's that's not gonna work for us, right. So,

674
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 3: but I do feel like there are ways to get better.

675
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,000
Speaker 3: I know, long winded, but there's there's a couple base

676
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: Steelers on our team and then everybody else has to

677
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: be good based runners, and I think that's what we

678
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: have to get better at.

679
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, speaking of Hayesu Sanchez, it's been a really interesting

680
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 5: year for him, an interesting career as well. The first

681
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 5: month of the season he really did not get many

682
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 5: starts I and then you know, the rest of the

683
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:45,960
Speaker 5: year he was a really at above average hitter for

684
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 5: you guys, one of your best power hitters in that lineup.

685
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 5: What did you see from him after April that you

686
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 5: decided to plug him in there every single day. I

687
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 5: know there was injuries to AVI, but still I think

688
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 5: you were really impressed with them after April.

689
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 3: Well, I think Brent Brown and John Mabray did a

690
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 3: really good job of having Stanchie start using the whole field.

691
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 3: There was you know, you could get him out in

692
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 3: multiple ways when he was just trying to hit a

693
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: ball nine hundred feet pole.

694
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: Side, and he's got maybe the best power.

695
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: On our team, but when he's only thinking that he

696
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 3: was getting into some trouble and they were flipping him

697
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 3: curve balls and he's just grounding out to first and

698
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: second base a lot and rolling over a lot of

699
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: change ups early on, and then you know, we kind

700
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: of he kind of bought into the use the whole field,

701
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: middle of the field, whole field, and then you started

702
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: seeing like opposite field home runs, and we were just

703
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: hoping we're just gonna be base hit doubles the other way,

704
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 3: force the pitcher to get him more in the middle

705
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 3: of the play middle d so he could start juicing

706
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: some balls. But Sanchez ended up being a really good hitter,

707
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: especially against righty's, and I couldn't take him out of

708
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 3: the lineup honestly when it started when he started hitting

709
00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 3: against rities especially, so you know his next step now

710
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 3: is is he a platoon guy? I don't want him

711
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 3: to be a platoon guy. He did, he played a

712
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 3: really good right field, but that's that's kind of the

713
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 3: next step for him. And we were struggling trying to

714
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 3: get fine left handers against rioty's. We were pretty deep

715
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 3: right pretty right handed lineup at one point, and so

716
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 3: trying to get lefties and matching up was important.

717
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 2: And you know, he took the opportunity and ran with it.

718
00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 5: I imagine when he's not trying to hit, you know,

719
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 5: nine hundred foot home runs. He actually went through a

720
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,320
Speaker 5: pretty like I think it was a month and a

721
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 5: half stretch where he did not hit a single ball

722
00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,000
Speaker 5: over the fence, but yet he was still in above

723
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 5: average hitor. His ops was, you know, close to eight hundred.

724
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 5: Does that sort of tell you, hey, he can really

725
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 5: be effective offensively even when he's not clearing the fence.

726
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean, I think there's so many different ways

727
00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,959
Speaker 3: to get guys out when you only hit one play,

728
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: when you when you show the ability to manipulate the

729
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: barrel and be a hit collector, which which Brant Brown

730
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 3: would preach to a lot of these guys, just collect hits,

731
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: figure out the power later. You know you're gonna run

732
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: into home runs just by accident if you have a

733
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,439
Speaker 3: good swing and swinging at strikes. Managing the strike zone

734
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 3: we was we preach I think every team preaches it is,

735
00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 3: you know, winning the strike zone, you know, offensively and defensively,

736
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 3: because usually whoever wins the strike zone wins the game.

737
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 3: And I think he was the you know, really good

738
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: at identifying that and helping it made him a much

739
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: better hitter later in the year.

740
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: Good One of the things that stood out during spring

741
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: training at least was just we would see a lot

742
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: in the backfield checking out those minor league scrimmages or

743
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: just workouts, just as someone who was you know, obviously

744
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: you in a minor leaguer for a while in your career,

745
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: and then you obviously came up just for you to

746
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: be out there and watch those guys and I guess

747
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: get a sense of who you know who was in

748
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: that form system. Just what was that like for you

749
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: to just do that during spring training and is that

750
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: something you know, just to get more more of a

751
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: sense of the minor leaguers that are in your system.

752
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I was drinking out of a fire

753
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: hose man. I didn't know anybody. I didn't know the system.

754
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: I didn't know the front office. I didn't know our

755
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 3: own players. All I knew was my own staff. Our

756
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 3: own staff didn't know the minor league guys. So we

757
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 3: would go down and you know, instead of going home,

758
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: we wanted to watch the games and watch these guys play.

759
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: I wanted to watch how the coaches coached. I wanted

760
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 3: to know the farm director. I want to know the coordinators.

761
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 3: I wanted to know everything on how guys were being developed.

762
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:29,840
Speaker 3: That was really important to me. This thing does not

763
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: work if we don't have minor league, really good minor

764
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: league players, developed by really good minor league coaches. It

765
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: just doesn't work. And so I wanted to kind of

766
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 3: sit back. I didn't want anybody's opinion. I wanted Pipe

767
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,560
Speaker 3: and I to just watch it, or Rod and I

768
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: or whatever. And I didn't want to hear anybody talk

769
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 3: about any player. I just wanted to look at it

770
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 3: from our lens and sit back and just watch them go. So, yeah,

771
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 3: I listen, like you just I don't know what a

772
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: seventeen or eighteen or nineteen year old kid's going to do.

773
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: You don't know what a guy that just got drafted

774
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 2: is going to do.

775
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: It takes guys to develop at different times in their careers.

776
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 2: And I didn't develop, so I was like twenty four,

777
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 2: twenty five years old.

778
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 3: It just took me a long time. So you don't know.

779
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: Not everybody is Uri Perez, Not everybody is Tatist. Not

780
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 3: everybody is you know, Jose like they're not everybody is

781
00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 3: just like going to take the world by storm in

782
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: three years, and here you go at twenty one years old.

783
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: I hope there are some of those guys, but I

784
00:37:31,760 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: think that was the majority of my thought when I

785
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 3: got into spring training is like I got to learn

786
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 3: in the organization. I got to know these players. I

787
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 3: got to start building relationship with these coaches.

788
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: And I think when you are out.

789
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 3: There, it shows that you care too, because I don't.

790
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: It's not fake like I do care about the minor

791
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 3: league side. I know how hard it is, I know

792
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 3: how hard doess coaches work, and it was so that

793
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 3: was probably my goal more than anything in spring training.

794
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 1: I guess throughout that time, is there anyone that stood

795
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: out to you on the minor league side of things?

796
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're uri stood out?

797
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I mean there there's a couple of guys.

798
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 3: I thought Fitterer when I was out there, probably stood out,

799
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: uh the most. Again, spring training, you know, I you

800
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: can't get you can't fall in in or out of

801
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 3: love with someone in spring training.

802
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: You just don't know where they're at.

803
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 3: Timing wise, Fitterer went to a Lisa and to go

804
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: high school where I went, So that's why, like I

805
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 3: wanted to go watch him anyways, but he was he

806
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 3: stood out below wise could spin the ball, so I

807
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 3: thought that was pretty intriguing. Uh, let's see, cape was

808
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: was pretty intriguing. Size wise, look the part. I know

809
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 3: we traded him, but Clelil Watson was you know, the

810
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: few games that I watched him, uh put some put

811
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: some really good at bats together.

812
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: So like that.

813
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,359
Speaker 3: But when you're watching and watching kind of how they're

814
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: being developed more than like who gets two hits in

815
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 3: a spring training game, right, Like you're trying to just

816
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 3: see how guys are taken to coaching, how guys are

817
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 3: coaching them and trying to get the development part right.

818
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: One last thing for me escape entering last season, he

819
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 4: made a point of not having a set closer entering

820
00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: the season, and over the course of the season it

821
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 4: changed over a few times due to injuries and inconsistencies,

822
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 4: but for most of the year, Tanner Scott was a

823
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 4: monster near the end of the games, and of course

824
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 4: he was closing games down the stretch. When he has

825
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 4: that kind of really spectacular year that he had in

826
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three, does that change you're thinking a little

827
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 4: bit entering twenty four, considering how special he was.

828
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll see what happens in the off season.

829
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: The reason why we were so good late in the games,

830
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 3: to me, is because we used him in the meat

831
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 3: of the order. A lot, and the ninth inning is different.

832
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 3: I totally understand the ninth inning is a different animal.

833
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 3: And I've said it before, like some guys run to

834
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 3: the stage, some guys run from it. He definitely didn't

835
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 3: run from anything. He wanted the ball every single day,

836
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 3: and the amount of work that he put in behind

837
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 3: the scenes. I don't think people realize how how much

838
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 3: he cares. And whether it was reports or the weight

839
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 3: room or the training room or whatever, like he was

840
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 3: going to make himself available that night somehow. And it

841
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 3: was really tough on me a lot of times to

842
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,360
Speaker 3: say you're down today. He was like, what what do

843
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: he I'm not down today. There's no way I can

844
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 3: throw I'm good. But you had to, like, you know,

845
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 3: set him down, set him down sometimes because it was hard,

846
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 3: but because you you know, you care about his health

847
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: and his career. But we we don't get to where

848
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 3: we get to without putting him against the two three, three,

849
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 3: four five part of the order, which we did the

850
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 3: entire year.

851
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 2: It just so.

852
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 3: Happened that, you know, late in the year, you know,

853
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: we acquired some guys that felt like we could use

854
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: in those spots at times, and then we could put

855
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 3: Tanner the nightth Inning.

856
00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: But yeah, well we'll see what happens.

857
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 3: I got no problem put in Tanner, you know, in

858
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 3: the in the closing role again. But again we we

859
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 3: were really good because of what he did in the

860
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:09,840
Speaker 3: heart of the order majority of the games.

861
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: Well, that'll do it for us. Skip, thank you so

862
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: much for joining us. We appreciate the time. From Isaac,

863
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 1: from Eli, from Skip myself. We'll see you guys all

864
00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:19,839
Speaker 1: in two weeks. Peace out and go fish, all right,

865
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: Thanks guys,